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Nov 28 03:00:00 <JesusFreke> note to self: microwaving a cup full of frothed milk isn't a good idea. it tends to expand
Nov 28 03:01:43 <Disconnect> heh neat
Nov 28 03:02:04 <JesusFreke> until you have to clean up the mess :p
Nov 28 03:02:09 <VersedBold> Making a cappacino?
Nov 28 03:02:17 <JesusFreke> hot chocolate
Nov 28 03:02:25 <VersedBold> K
Nov 28 03:02:27 <JesusFreke> thought I would try it frothy. didn't turn out so well. lol
Nov 28 03:02:34 <unix_infidel> forthy?>
Nov 28 03:02:46 <JesusFreke> frothed. i.e. foamy.. lot's of trapped air
Nov 28 03:03:18 <unix_infidel> ew, it just heats the air inbetween the milk and curdles it :-(
Nov 28 03:03:22 <JesusFreke> I have a frothery thingy from italy. it's just a container that has a mesh that you can raise up and down, and force air into the milk
Nov 28 03:03:40 <JesusFreke> so I did that, then microwaved the result
Nov 28 03:03:53 <JesusFreke> and obviously all the trapped air expands..
Nov 28 03:04:11 <JesusFreke> and it makes a mess :)
Nov 28 03:04:22 <unix_infidel> yea that's just basic physics...
Nov 28 03:04:27 <JesusFreke> indeed
Nov 28 03:04:44 <unix_infidel> never quite figured out why oatmeal bubbles out after too long in the microwave though.
Nov 28 03:06:07 <Disconnect> hmm. so do i do it right (./bluetooth/bluedroid/bluetooth.c:    if (property_set("ctl.stop", "hcid") < 0) {) or do i do it simple (mangle hcid in init.rc)?
Nov 28 03:06:30 <Disconnect> JesusFreke: any objection to requiring a source change?
Nov 28 03:06:44 <JesusFreke> nah. we have a number already
Nov 28 03:06:57 <JesusFreke> saurik made some changes in init and the kernel
Nov 28 03:06:58 <Disconnect> ok cool. i'll just add it as a new service on bt start.
Nov 28 03:08:32 <JesusFreke> sounds good
Nov 28 03:12:15 <Disconnect> someone else is gonna have to test tho
Nov 28 03:14:20 <JesusFreke> I can test
Nov 28 03:16:17 <Disconnect> coolios
Nov 28 03:16:28 <Disconnect> cuz if i brick my phone tonight the wif is gonna divorce me :)
Nov 28 03:18:22 <unix_infidel> heading somewhere else for the weekend?
Nov 28 03:19:06 <JesusFreke> lol :)
Nov 28 03:21:33 <Disconnect> hmm. anyone have a favorite embedded dhcp server? I'm thinking maradns but..
Nov 28 03:22:14 <benley> udhcpd?
Nov 28 03:22:33 <Disconnect> oooh from busybox. schweet.
Nov 28 03:22:50 <JesusFreke> somerandomlettersthatendindhcpd?
Nov 28 03:23:44 <Disconnect> JesusFreke: wanna add udhcpd to your busybox build?
Nov 28 03:23:49 <Leeds> how small is dnsmasq?
Nov 28 03:24:04 <Disconnect> Leeds: not as small as the already-ported udhcpd :)
Nov 28 03:24:06 <JesusFreke> disconnect, It looks like it's there already?
Nov 28 03:24:11 <Disconnect> sweet
Nov 28 03:24:24 <JesusFreke> # busybox | grep dhcp
Nov 28 03:24:24 <JesusFreke> busybox | grep dhcp
Nov 28 03:24:24 <JesusFreke>         depmod, df, dhcprelay, diff, dirname, dmesg, dnsd, dos2unix,
Nov 28 03:24:24 <JesusFreke>         tty, ttysize, udhcpc, udhcpd, udpsvd, umount, uname, uncompress,
Nov 28 03:24:31 * Disconnect should really flash your new version soon
Nov 28 03:34:13 <Disconnect> hmm. so before i run out this diff.. in init.rc we run iptables to set up the NAT rules and insmod the bnep module. define the pand service, and add start/stop just before/after hcid in bluetooth.c ..
Nov 28 03:34:46 <JesusFreke> k..
Nov 28 03:34:59 <Disconnect> oh i missed udhcp service.
Nov 28 03:38:51 <Disconnect> where are you stuffing pand and udhcpd?
Nov 28 03:38:56 <Disconnect> (path)
Nov 28 03:41:38 <Disconnect> ok i'll go with system/xbin and you can edit init.rc if thats wrong :)
Nov 28 03:43:10 <JesusFreke> yeah, that's fine
Nov 28 03:43:57 <TiberiumX> I have two TextView objects in a horizontal LinearLayout, one with gravity="left" and the other gravity="right".  Doesn't do a damn thing.  Anyone know how I can have one textview aligned to the right of the screen and the other on the left?
Nov 28 03:45:00 <elad> #TextViewLeft { float: left; }
Nov 28 03:45:01 * IznastY - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]
Nov 28 03:45:15 <elad> #TextViewRight { float: Right; }
Nov 28 03:46:20 <TiberiumX> Yeah, only this isn't CSS.
Nov 28 03:50:43 <sparkle> mm
Nov 28 03:50:49 <sparkle> has anyone dug into the logic of the low memory killer?
Nov 28 03:51:14 <Disconnect> hmm. i have a dilemma. i have to make pand start udhcpd when it gets a connection, but not before.
Nov 28 03:51:30 <sparkle> i gather from digging that uid system has rights to set kill preference numbers per process for uids => 1000
Nov 28 03:52:49 <jasta> TiberiumX: you want textAlign
Nov 28 03:53:12 <jasta> you also probably want them to be width=0, weight=1
Nov 28 03:53:29 <jasta> this will make them both the same size, but one will be right-aligned and the other left (by default)
Nov 28 03:53:37 <JesusFreke> Disconnect.. maybe you could modify pand to set a property and then trigger a service on that property?
Nov 28 03:54:06 <JesusFreke> I'm not familiar with the internals of pand, so I'm just shooting in the dark :)
Nov 28 03:54:15 <jasta> hello JesusFreke :)
Nov 28 03:54:25 <Disconnect> that seems like a pita :) but yah. its certainly the android way.
Nov 28 03:54:28 <JesusFreke> hey jasta :)
Nov 28 03:54:47 <Disconnect> hmm. i wonder what udhcpd will do if it's interface isn't up.
Nov 28 03:54:55 <eugene> hm
Nov 28 03:55:01 <JesusFreke> I was just wondering that too..
Nov 28 03:57:27 <Disconnect> udhcpd: is interface bnep0 up and configured?: No such device
Nov 28 03:57:44 <Disconnect> ..so it'll bail. i could be unfriendly and have it just run every 2 seconds :)
Nov 28 03:59:36 <JesusFreke> I highly doubt this will work.. but maybe. what if you create a loopback network device named as bnep0 just to start it up, and then remove the device?
Nov 28 03:59:38 <jasta> what are you trying to do?
Nov 28 04:00:20 <JesusFreke> Disconnect is trying to get bluetooth tethering more automated
Nov 28 04:00:26 <sparkle> i'd think it'd get crabby when the interface is unplumbed out from underneath it
Nov 28 04:00:30 <JesusFreke> dhcp server and all that
Nov 28 04:00:32 <sparkle> i sure would :p
Nov 28 04:00:34 <JesusFreke> yeah, I suspect it would. lol
Nov 28 04:01:05 <Damm> you know what would suck?
Nov 28 04:01:07 <JesusFreke> in particular, we need to be able to run dhcpd only after pand gets a BT connection
Nov 28 04:01:16 <Damm> if they released a market app that lets you do BT tethering in 1-2weeks
Nov 28 04:01:28 <Damm> Disconnect would be like... goddammit!
Nov 28 04:01:36 <sparkle> a market app wouldn't be able to do it without changes outside of the jvm
Nov 28 04:01:38 <jasta> JesusFreke: oh, that's a problem that will be very tough to solve without access to the internal bluetooth apis
Nov 28 04:02:00 <JesusFreke> oh, he has  BT tethering working :)
Nov 28 04:02:09 <jasta> i know, that's not tough.
Nov 28 04:02:29 <JesusFreke> and we can make any changes in the relevant binaries
Nov 28 04:02:34 <JesusFreke> pand, etc.
Nov 28 04:02:54 <Disconnect> i think i can get pand to run /etc/bluetooth/pan/dev-up
Nov 28 04:03:01 <Disconnect> so..
Nov 28 04:03:23 <sparkle> that'd do it
Nov 28 04:05:58 <JesusFreke> yep, that'll do the trick
Nov 28 04:07:36 <TiberiumX> jasta: textAlign isn't an attribute of TextView at least (maybe it's for EditText?).  Setting layout_weight worked, but I still have to decide in advance how much relative space to give each element.
Nov 28 04:07:40 <sparkle> it's be nice to figure out how to get encrypted ad hoc too though :-/
Nov 28 04:08:39 <jasta> TiberiumX: i just spoke from the top of my head, not sure if that property is exactly what i thought :)
Nov 28 04:09:06 <jasta> TiberiumX: however, now that i think more about your problem, all you need is width=0,weight=1 on the left-aligned widget.  leave the right-aligned one as width=wrap.
Nov 28 04:09:09 <TiberiumX> Ahh.  Gravity is the only one I see that handles alignment at all.
Nov 28 04:09:12 <jasta> that will work as you expect
Nov 28 04:09:35 <jasta> in particular, the left-aligned textview will consume all available space, leaving only just enough for the right textview to use the rest (the right hanging space)
Nov 28 04:09:58 <jasta> its not quite alignment, but visually it will work as you expect.
Nov 28 04:11:32 <TiberiumX> jasta:  Ahh, thanks.  That does what I wanted.
Nov 28 04:12:37 <jasta> np
Nov 28 05:26:13 <Disconnect> ok i'm unclear on how init.rc works - anyone got a pointer on docs? (or time for a simple question - if i add iptables calls in after the write/write/mount section, will that execute or am i missing something?)
Nov 28 05:27:37 <JesusFreke> yeah, it's a bit weird. I *think* it's actually proprietary to android? I'm not positive
Nov 28 05:28:01 <Disconnect> i just need to add the iptables calls and its set. :( or i can bundle up the patches for you that i've got already and let you deal with it :)
Nov 28 05:28:59 <Disconnect> finding lots of old docs but nothing resembling the current format
Nov 28 05:29:06 <JesusFreke> yeah, gimme a sec. lemme look at something
Nov 28 05:31:24 <Disconnect> here we go. http://letsgoustc.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!89AD27DFB5E249BA!428.entry
Nov 28 05:31:49 <Disconnect> looks like i can just slap the commands into boot
Nov 28 05:33:01 <JesusFreke> I think you will need an "exec" command though
Nov 28 05:33:21 <JesusFreke> and I don't think my version of init has that. I'm checking
Nov 28 05:34:53 <JesusFreke> yeah, just go ahead and use "exec iptables <whatever>"
Nov 28 05:35:05 <JesusFreke> and I'll have to implement exec support in init.
Nov 28 05:36:08 <Disconnect> ok :)
Nov 28 05:37:58 <Disconnect> ok got a patch for you.
Nov 28 05:38:39 <Disconnect> its 2 patches. system/bluetooth and system/core (stupid multiple git trees)
Nov 28 05:50:12 <Disconnect> night all! jf, lemme know how that works out :)
Nov 28 06:10:37 <spikebike> sweet
Nov 28 06:10:49 <spikebike> broken laptop is reinstalling via usb
Nov 28 06:14:46 <liljohnpenguin> looking to get my teahtering working and its NOT, ha
Nov 28 06:14:59 <Disconnect> whats broken?
Nov 28 06:15:01 <liljohnpenguin> 64 bit intel windows
Nov 28 06:15:11 <liljohnpenguin> haha - prolly that!
Nov 28 06:15:15 <Disconnect> well yah thats a big problem
Nov 28 06:15:17 <Disconnect> :)
Nov 28 06:15:29 * Disconnect is asleep, honest. ok not quite yet but..
Nov 28 06:16:01 <liljohnpenguin> i saw some text on it, so no 64 bit accurate?
Nov 28 06:16:17 <Disconnect> ..in english?
Nov 28 06:16:59 <spikebike> disconnect did you get laptop -> wifi -> g1 -> edge/3g working?
Nov 28 06:17:00 <Disconnect> as far as i know the socks/usb method doesn't work in 64bit because there is no adb usb driver.
Nov 28 06:17:14 <Disconnect> no i use bluetooth + PAN :)
Nov 28 06:17:22 <Disconnect> http://pastebin.ca/1267751
Nov 28 06:17:32 <spikebike> seems a shocking number of things don't work with 64 bit windwos
Nov 28 06:17:36 <spikebike> ah, bluetooth is even better
Nov 28 06:17:48 <liljohnpenguin> ahhhh - your saying I can use bluetooth to teather?  cooool
Nov 28 06:17:50 <spikebike> what is the max bandwidth of bluetooth?
Nov 28 06:18:12 <liljohnpenguin> 1.21 gigawatts
Nov 28 06:18:42 <liljohnpenguin> come on, now that was funny
Nov 28 06:20:13 <Damm> i really haste patebin.ca
Nov 28 06:20:19 <Disconnect> ?
Nov 28 06:20:23 <Damm> it only works half the time, I wish people would stop using it.
Nov 28 06:20:36 <Disconnect> i find it a lot more stable than most of the others
Nov 28 06:20:36 <spikebike> try pastebin.ca instead ;-)
Nov 28 06:20:44 <Damm> err pastebin.ca
Nov 28 06:20:53 <Damm> Disconnect, gist.github.com, or pastie.org
Nov 28 06:21:25 <Damm> spikebike, i copied and pasted Disconnect's url exactly wanting to see it... and i'm still waiting
Nov 28 06:21:38 <Disconnect> wrong url anyway, doh
Nov 28 06:22:08 <Disconnect> http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515
Nov 28 06:23:52 <liljohnpenguin> disconnect: can you send me a link how to teather this POS 64 bit wintel box with bluetooth
Nov 28 06:24:09 <Disconnect> liljohnpenguin: http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515
Nov 28 06:24:31 <liljohnpenguin> haha-man i am dense!
Nov 28 06:24:34 <liljohnpenguin> thanks!
Nov 28 06:26:17 <Damm> Disconnect, should be fairly easy to script that... do you need dhcp for bnep0? or no?
Nov 28 06:26:41 <Disconnect> its set, in a patch i just sent jf. with dhcp to make it magic :)
Nov 28 06:27:34 <Damm> ah nice, so he'll have BT Pan in his next revision of RC30
Nov 28 06:27:38 <Disconnect> thats the theory
Nov 28 06:27:40 <Damm> makes me wish I didn't upgrade to RC30 and held back.
Nov 28 06:28:02 <spikebike> disconnect sweet
Nov 28 06:28:17 <Disconnect> ..toldja. (told everyone who said " i dunno what i want with root so i'm gonna upgrade".)
Nov 28 06:28:23 <liljohnpenguin> no important; but if im in the car and use bluetooth, will the laptop auto see it after first setup and start using and jsut block incoming calls, or you have to set a mode on the phone
Nov 28 06:29:00 <Disconnect> in the new script, when you turn on bt it starts up pand - the laptop needs to initiate the connection but it should be automagic
Nov 28 06:29:31 <liljohnpenguin> wow - slick if works! get r done
Nov 28 06:29:58 <liljohnpenguin> thanks sir, nice meeting everyone
Nov 28 06:30:00 <Disconnect> i'll let someone else hack up old-style pan/ppp
Nov 28 06:30:00 <liljohnpenguin> night
Nov 28 06:32:52 <Disconnect> night all
Nov 28 06:34:03 <yogesh> hi, while starting up system, alert is pop up "System UID's Inconsistent: UID's on the system are inconsistent, you need to wipe your data partition or your device will be unstable" ,   Can any one help..
Nov 28 06:42:12 <Leeds> yogesh: have you done anything odd?
Nov 28 06:43:19 <yogesh> i just change the resolution of video in framework applications..
Nov 28 06:44:09 <unix_infidel> has walmart released their pricing for the G1 this friday?
Nov 28 06:47:48 <d03boy> walmart is selilng a g1?
Nov 28 06:50:24 <Leeds> yeah, a $10-$20 or so lower than t-mob
Nov 28 06:52:09 <d03boy> sweet
Nov 28 06:52:13 <d03boy> do you have to get a contract
Nov 28 06:53:36 <gambler> anyone know for how much they are selling them for without a plan?
Nov 28 06:54:20 <TiberiumX> Is there a way to view all active intent filters on your phone?
Nov 28 07:13:25 <Leeds> gambler: $400, AFAIK, plus tax... and they are locked
Nov 28 07:14:32 <eugene> Leeds: usd?
Nov 28 07:14:46 <Leeds> yes
Nov 28 07:14:54 <Leeds> eugene: and yes, it's bastard cheap
Nov 28 07:15:02 <eugene> nod
Nov 28 07:15:44 <eugene> imagine how much profit they make over here
Nov 28 07:15:56 <Leeds> yeah
Nov 28 07:16:02 <eugene> but then those who bought g1 from the shops here are mad
Nov 28 07:16:20 <gambler> how much are they in merry old england
Nov 28 07:16:36 <Leeds> should find someone in the US who can ship a few to me :-)
Nov 28 07:16:55 <Leeds> gambler: I don't think they are available out of contract in the UK
Nov 28 07:17:23 <gambler> you could always hit a TMO manager over the head with a tire iron and run...
Nov 28 07:17:36 <Leeds> it would have to be a *very* long iron to reach from here
Nov 28 07:19:11 <gambler> ill finally have mine next week. thank buddah
Nov 28 07:19:34 <Leeds> hmm... which phone would buddha use?
Nov 28 07:20:05 <gambler> probably the iphone. he is asian after all
Nov 28 07:20:22 <Leeds> why do you think the iphone is asian?
Nov 28 07:21:32 <gambler> all my asian friends have one...thats my best answer
Nov 28 07:21:46 <gambler> s/all/most
Nov 28 07:21:48 <eugene> gambler: then i must be an exception
Nov 28 07:22:02 <Leeds> gambler: you are aware that eugene and I are in Asia? :-)
Nov 28 07:22:09 <gambler> eugene, O RLY? hehe
Nov 28 07:22:15 <eugene> hehe
Nov 28 07:22:28 <Leeds> I know one Asian with an iphone, and a couple of expats
Nov 28 07:22:37 <eugene> http://www.sgclub.com/singapore/china_go_own_104179.html
Nov 28 07:22:38 <eugene> interesting
Nov 28 07:22:54 <tmzt> JesusFreke: how can you exec from init? won't that replace pid 1?
Nov 28 07:23:16 <gambler> im an asia too but self deceived colonialists call this country part of oceania
Nov 28 07:24:03 <jasta> why would i get INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED trying to install my apk?
Nov 28 07:24:14 <gambler> cool
Nov 28 07:24:23 <LeedsHK> I'm going to guess your manifest is malformed and the installer failed to parse it :-)
Nov 28 07:24:33 <eugene> gambler: where in au?
Nov 28 07:24:47 <jasta> LeedsHK: but that makes no sense; how did it get compiled then?
Nov 28 07:24:51 <gambler> ive got that error before. It usually goes away on its own
Nov 28 07:25:05 <gambler> eugene, Brisbane
Nov 28 07:25:08 <gambler> eugene, u?
Nov 28 07:25:21 <eugene> gambler: ahh... i'm in Singapore
Nov 28 07:25:30 <eugene> gambler: isn't it beer o'clock already?
Nov 28 07:26:30 <jasta> what the hell...
Nov 28 07:26:31 <gambler> eugene, ...its getting to that time isnt it. :p
Nov 28 07:26:59 <eugene> ;p
Nov 28 07:27:46 <LeedsHK> one of the little apps I might possibly try to write would be - as suggested here a while ago - a beer o'clock app
Nov 28 07:28:13 <LeedsHK> "it's 3pm where you are - but in Sydney it's beer o'clock!"
Nov 28 07:28:30 <jasta> gambler: it's definitely not just "going away"
Nov 28 07:28:43 <eugene> hah
Nov 28 07:28:55 <jasta> the platform must have a more deficient parser than the SDK?
Nov 28 07:29:32 <LeedsHK> it'll be libxml or expat or something, surely?
Nov 28 07:29:59 <jasta> LeedsHK: highly unlikely, the platform does not consume real XML.  it consumes andorid's binary XML, which google designed.
Nov 28 07:30:04 <jasta> so it's more likely that it's their own parser
Nov 28 07:30:10 <gambler> jasta: my approach isnt elegant. I'd try a -wipe-data
Nov 28 07:30:18 <LeedsHK> hmm... okay
Nov 28 07:30:43 <jasta> gambler: why would that help?  if its actually a parse error, what is -wipe-data going to do to change the parser?
Nov 28 07:31:06 <gambler> good question. another good question is how has that fixed itself without my intervention
Nov 28 07:32:16 <jasta> oh, i see.  it's bitching about the ":" in my taskAffinity name
Nov 28 07:32:21 <jasta> W/PackageParser(   52): /data/app/vmdl44488.tmp (at Binary XML file line #16): Invalid taskAffinity name org.devtcg.five:Music in package org.devtcg.five: bad character ':'
Nov 28 07:32:33 <jasta> despite, of course, the docs recommending that i use a : in exactly this way
Nov 28 07:32:36 <jasta> cute :)
Nov 28 07:43:39 <eugene> ok.. finally it's friday. going to install android on my n800 hee
Nov 28 07:45:01 * IznastY - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]
Nov 28 07:46:45 <LeedsHK> eugene: good luck :-)
Nov 28 07:47:01 <LeedsHK> just a pity it isn't, y'know, a *phone*...
Nov 28 07:47:47 <eugene> LeedsHK: awww..
Nov 28 07:51:36 <LeedsHK> sorry
Nov 28 07:52:59 <eugene> LeedsHK: it's ok :)
Nov 28 07:53:10 <eugene> LeedsHK: i'm so tempted to buy one from ebay... but it's not cheap at all
Nov 28 07:53:31 <LeedsHK> cheaper than me?
Nov 28 07:53:59 <eugene> LeedsHK: hmm... it depends which seller i bbuy from... and how much i bid. not sure..
Nov 28 07:54:40 <unix_infidel> i'd wager there's significantly more demand overseas than there is in the US and UK.
Nov 28 07:55:10 <unix_infidel> and by overseas I mean SE Asia and Europe proper.
Nov 28 08:19:06 <eugene> crap. my n800 doesn't want to startup..
Nov 28 08:29:34 <LeedsHK> oops
Nov 28 08:56:43 <fnord_> eugene, what errors does it display?
Nov 28 08:56:50 <fnord_> adb logcat should work
Nov 28 08:59:44 <tauno> the moderators of android-discuss are still celebrating thanksgiving or what's up with that?
Nov 28 09:00:01 <romainguy> ?
Nov 28 09:00:03 <romainguy> what's going on?
Nov 28 09:00:11 <romainguy> (and everybody's on vacation and it's 1am here)
Nov 28 09:01:11 <LeedsHK> romainguy: then why are you online??? :-)
Nov 28 09:01:22 <romainguy> because I don't celebrate thanksgiving
Nov 28 09:01:30 <romainguy> and my fiancée is in LA for a few days
Nov 28 09:01:33 <romainguy> so I geek around :)
Nov 28 09:01:57 <jasta> romainguy: i figured out my taskaffinity problem.  apparently it was rejecting my apk because it thinks i cant put :'s in the task name
Nov 28 09:01:57 <LeedsHK> ah, you're an alien?
Nov 28 09:02:05 <romainguy> LeedsHK: I'm French
Nov 28 09:02:14 <romainguy> jasta: yeah I saw that, it doesn't surprise me much
Nov 28 09:02:21 <LeedsHK> oh, I'm sorry to hear that :-P
Nov 28 09:02:25 <romainguy> I almost replied about this but then thought I was wrong :)
Nov 28 09:02:29 <romainguy> LeedsHK: I'm not :))
Nov 28 09:02:33 <jasta> romainguy: well, i followed the documentation :)
Nov 28 09:02:38 <romainguy> I know
Nov 28 09:02:48 <fnord_> romainguy, maps app needs more cowbell
Nov 28 09:02:57 <romainguy> agreed fnord_
Nov 28 09:03:04 <romainguy> we have unfortunately a bad track record of updating our doc when the code changes :))
Nov 28 09:03:16 <LeedsHK> is there a cowbell app yet?
Nov 28 09:03:18 <jasta> romainguy: i've noticed.  you guys should bulk up your army of grunt interns
Nov 28 09:03:29 <romainguy> we have about 0 interns right now :)
Nov 28 09:03:34 <jasta> see
Nov 28 09:03:45 <jasta> ("about" 0?)
Nov 28 09:03:58 <romainguy> you never know, there might be leftover bits :)
Nov 28 09:04:55 <jasta> romainguy: so how come you didn't try to worm in on some free food today? :)
Nov 28 09:05:23 <romainguy> because shes loves to cook and left me well stocked :)
Nov 28 09:06:24 <jasta> i like turkey sandwiches.  thanksgiving is great :)
Nov 28 09:06:39 <cutmasta> hehe
Nov 28 09:08:12 <romainguy> jasta: at least I worked on my app today :)
Nov 28 09:08:44 <jasta> me too, but i do that just about every day hehe
Nov 28 09:09:03 <eugene> fnord_: it was the battery problem. now it's working again
Nov 28 09:09:38 <romainguy> jasta: a few hours of work to end up with now new features ^^
Nov 28 09:10:53 <fnord_> ahhh okay
Nov 28 09:11:15 <eugene> fnord_: phew :)
Nov 28 09:12:01 <LeedsHK> I went to the 'NY Deli' around the corner from the office for lunch - they had turkey and stuffing as food options today :-)
Nov 28 09:12:14 <fnord_> eugene, it's not a phone, but there's a sip client
Nov 28 09:13:06 <eugene> fnord_: nod. i can't wait to setup android in it.  but it doesn't look like there is much to do according to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198240
Nov 28 09:14:23 <jasta> romainguy: i learn a lot just idly reading android source... like for instance, i did not know about import static.
Nov 28 09:14:39 <romainguy> that's a nice little feature of Java 1.5 :)
Nov 28 09:15:13 <jasta> at least a few times now i've had to rub my eyes at code i read.  thinking "huh, this compiles?"
Nov 28 09:15:35 <jasta> but i'm sort of new to Java though so i guess that shouldn't surprise me
Nov 28 09:17:24 <jasta> speaking of idly reading code...
Nov 28 09:17:41 <jasta> there's a concurrency bug in AccountSetupCheckSettings in the Email app :)
Nov 28 09:17:52 <romainguy> I believe you :)
Nov 28 09:17:56 <fnord_> argh xchat now decides not to copy urls
Nov 28 09:18:09 <romainguy> Java has several interesting and weird syntax things
Nov 28 09:18:12 <romainguy> like int.class
Nov 28 09:18:20 <jasta> the worker thread checks agains mDestroyed (which is set in onDestroy) before it schedules any work for the handler
Nov 28 09:18:31 <jasta> except that access to it is neither volatile nor synchronized
Nov 28 09:18:32 <romainguy> or new MyClass() {{ setFoo("bar"); }}
Nov 28 09:18:34 <xsdg> romainguy: heh, I learned when I got there at 10:00 that Caltrain closed at 9:00
Nov 28 09:20:06 <xsdg> wow, that was surprisingly effective at killing the conversation :o)
Nov 28 09:20:16 <romainguy>  totally
Nov 28 09:20:47 <jasta> hmm, cool, eclipse exploded on me
Nov 28 09:21:13 <xsdg> jasta: that's what it does best, I hear
Nov 28 09:21:33 <jasta> romainguy: what does the double brace syntax do?
Nov 28 09:21:49 <romainguy> it's an anonymous initialization block
Nov 28 09:22:01 <romainguy> the default constructor if you will
Nov 28 09:22:15 <jasta> thats bizarre
Nov 28 09:22:25 <romainguy> not really actually
Nov 28 09:22:35 <romainguy> if you compare that to the static initialization blocks for instance
Nov 28 09:22:49 <romainguy> if you format it properly it doesn't look as weird
Nov 28 09:23:00 <romainguy> another fun thing is that you can declare classes inside methods
Nov 28 09:23:04 <romainguy> like this:
Nov 28 09:23:09 <romainguy> public Bar getBar() {
Nov 28 09:23:15 <romainguy>     class Foo extends Bar { };
Nov 28 09:23:19 <romainguy>   return new Foo();
Nov 28 09:23:20 <romainguy> }
Nov 28 09:23:41 <romainguy> I have to admit I never found any use for this syntax :)
Nov 28 09:23:48 <eugene> heh booted android. no touchscreen capability
Nov 28 09:23:58 <romainguy> I know it's used by the implementation of iterators in lists
Nov 28 09:24:41 <Leeds> eugene: n800 is the one *without* the keyboard?
Nov 28 09:24:56 <eugene> Leeds: yup
Nov 28 09:25:17 <Leeds> so you have no keyboard and no touchscreen?
Nov 28 09:25:24 <eugene> hehe yes..
Nov 28 09:26:38 <eugene> Leeds: and a little unstable.
Nov 28 09:26:50 <Leeds> that'd be the beer, I assume?
Nov 28 09:26:53 <jasta> romainguy: GNU C lets you define functions inside of functions ;)
Nov 28 09:27:00 <romainguy> I know
Nov 28 09:27:06 <eugene> Leeds: but its quite neat
Nov 28 09:27:15 <romainguy> but it's weird coming from Java
Nov 28 09:27:16 <jasta> that i find especially odd.  the code reads like Perl :)
Nov 28 09:27:31 <romainguy> and also you could ask most seasoned Java developers, most would not know it's valid :)
Nov 28 09:28:03 <jasta> hehe, it seems odd to me that i have not written any java outside the context of android :)
Nov 28 09:28:18 <_avatar> i haven't written any java outside of android either :)
Nov 28 09:28:57 <Leeds> I haven't written any java in years... within or without Android
Nov 28 09:28:58 <romainguy> then there's teh weird strictfp keyword
Nov 28 09:29:02 <romainguy> never used it, probably never will
Nov 28 09:29:48 * jasta gets back to his app
Nov 28 09:30:05 <Leeds> in fact my closest connection to Java is probably having a cup of coffee with someone who worked with James Gosling, at Sun
Nov 28 09:36:45 <eugene> ah there's a newer kernel with touchscreen support
Nov 28 09:36:58 <tauno> <romainguy> what's going on? <- ~24h since I posted to the list (as you suggested btw :P) and the message is still not there..
Nov 28 09:37:10 <romainguy> post again
Nov 28 09:37:56 <tauno> an then it'll double post.. been there, done that
Nov 28 09:38:10 <romainguy> bah
Nov 28 09:38:30 <tauno> but le'ts try it again then :d
Nov 28 09:42:10 <romainguy> hmm I like the layout of the git tree
Nov 28 09:42:13 <romainguy> so much cleaner
Nov 28 09:42:37 <jasta> i like it too, though i cant say its cleaner than your mystery tree :)
Nov 28 09:50:28 <tauno> speaking about stuff in java 1.5 - I recenlty discovered varargs when reading the android source.. that's handy
Nov 28 09:58:18 <joeyjones> and there goes another post to xda-developers
Nov 28 10:01:24 <eugene> yay. touchscreen seems to work now
Nov 28 10:01:40 <eugene> i spoke too soon
Nov 28 10:03:32 <eugene> ah.. it works. but n800 is too slow.
Nov 28 10:14:16 <jasta> romainguy: you around?
Nov 28 10:14:20 <romainguy> yes
Nov 28 10:14:31 <jasta> i have a layout question for you
Nov 28 10:14:59 <jasta> how would i accomplish a layout contained in a scrollview which forces a particular view to the bottom of either the screen if scrolling is not necessary, or in the normal flow if it is
Nov 28 10:15:41 <jasta> i'm adding a sort of wizard to next your way through initial set up, and if the phone is rotated landscape, the view is full and so the bar is naturally at the bottom of the screen/scrollview
Nov 28 10:15:56 <romainguy> ahah
Nov 28 10:16:01 <romainguy> there's a feature for that
Nov 28 10:16:07 <romainguy> android:fillViewport="true"
Nov 28 10:16:09 <jasta> but when it is portrait, the screen is not full, but the footer should still "stick"
Nov 28 10:16:25 <romainguy> if the scrollview's child is smaller than the scrollview, it will be expanded to fill the scrollview
Nov 28 10:16:30 <romainguy> you put that attribute on the scrollview
Nov 28 10:16:43 <jasta> ahh ok
Nov 28 10:17:16 <jasta> thanks :)
Nov 28 10:18:21 <jasta> yay :)
Nov 28 10:19:20 <jasta> hmm, this could be my bug, but now the footer is laid out with a small margin to the right, the exact size of the scroller when it would be shown (but is not)
Nov 28 10:19:48 <jasta> which is what i'd want if the scroller was visible/necessary, but not when it isn't
Nov 28 10:19:54 <romainguy> are you using inset scrollbars?
Nov 28 10:20:01 <jasta> yes, outsideInset
Nov 28 10:20:24 <romainguy> here you go
Nov 28 10:21:35 <jasta> oh, i guess now that i read the docs i should not do that ;)
Nov 28 10:22:31 <romainguy> jasta: :))
Nov 28 10:47:59 <tauno> can shortcut icons be changed after they are added to the home screen?
Nov 28 10:49:12 <tauno> or can they be deleted? :)
Nov 28 10:54:00 <Acsia> tauno: yes
Nov 28 10:54:23 <Acsia> long click and drag on top of the wastebin
Nov 28 10:55:19 <tauno> I mean programmatically
Nov 28 10:55:28 <tauno> eg by sending an intent
Nov 28 10:56:40 <jasta> well, anycut does it...
Nov 28 10:56:48 <jasta> check its source
Nov 28 10:57:57 <romainguy> tauno: yes they can
Nov 28 10:58:07 <romainguy> it requires special permissions though
Nov 28 10:59:52 <tauno> romainguy, deleted, changed or both?
Nov 28 11:00:14 <romainguy> to add or remove shortcuts
Nov 28 11:00:32 <romainguy> you can also change them but it requires access to the system settings
Nov 28 11:00:36 <romainguy> (and that has changed since 1.0)
Nov 28 11:01:31 <tauno> can this be requested by just using uses-permission tag?
Nov 28 11:01:47 <romainguy> yep
Nov 28 11:01:53 <romainguy> why do you want to do this?
Nov 28 11:01:56 <tauno> any examples on this? :)
Nov 28 11:02:07 <romainguy> nope
Nov 28 11:02:28 <tauno> romainguy, want to display a dynamic icon to the home screen that indicates when something has changed for the specific thingie behind the shortcut
Nov 28 11:02:36 <romainguy> ouch
Nov 28 11:02:39 <romainguy> don't do it that way
Nov 28 11:02:45 <tauno> why not?
Nov 28 11:02:50 <romainguy> it's very inefficient
Nov 28 11:02:54 <romainguy> we want to add this feature
Nov 28 11:03:17 <romainguy> it's inefficient and, like I said, it's gonna break with a future update :)
Nov 28 11:03:31 <tauno> yes but I won't do it that often.. let's say once in 30 mins or even more..
Nov 28 11:03:58 <tauno> romainguy, well that's the risk that I'm willing to take :)
Nov 28 11:04:12 <romainguy> I don't care about you, I care about the users :)
Nov 28 11:04:30 <tauno> I see :D
Nov 28 11:05:08 <tauno> well.. I promise you that if it's going to break, we'll update the software ASAP :) and we inform the user that some features may break at some point :)
Nov 28 11:05:40 <romainguy> still sucks for the user :)
Nov 28 11:07:23 <tauno> I guess that the feature by itself is a way bigger argument and people are better off using it right away like it is and take the risk that it might not work for a day or two at some point (but that's just my opinion)
Nov 28 11:07:39 <romainguy> no, I strongly disagree
Nov 28 11:07:43 <romainguy> it is a cool and interesting feature
Nov 28 11:07:50 <romainguy> but it should be done the right way before being used
Nov 28 11:08:08 <romainguy> especially since it requires to go hack Home's database
Nov 28 11:08:54 <romainguy> I can't prevent you from using it but you are, once again, doing a disservice to yourself, your users and the Android team
Nov 28 11:08:59 <_avatar> also, i assume unintentionally clobbering home's database would be really bad, especially for the average user
Nov 28 11:10:22 <romainguy> that too ^^
Nov 28 11:10:27 <tauno> romainguy, uh, relax, I won't do it then if its really that bad ;)
Nov 28 11:11:39 <tauno> but it's still a feature that I really really really want to add :)
Nov 28 11:11:59 <romainguy> I already said that's something we also want to add
Nov 28 11:12:24 <tauno> yes and thats nice to hear
Nov 28 11:13:17 <tauno> I guess it's not a priority currently? any way I can help to speed this up?
Nov 28 11:13:35 <romainguy> it's gonna happen whenever I can get time to work on this
Nov 28 11:13:54 <romainguy> and you can always submit patches
Nov 28 11:14:11 <romainguy> but to be honest, Home being a sensitive app, code reviews won't be easy ;-))
Nov 28 11:14:50 <tauno> yes, I could.. but as it seems from every conversation that we have here, I'm doing/wanting to do EVERYTHING wrong.. always :P
Nov 28 11:15:08 <romainguy> well from what you tell me you just write hacks upon hacks :)
Nov 28 11:15:15 <tauno> indeed :P
Nov 28 11:15:45 * romainguy just wrote a couple of hacks :)
Nov 28 11:16:28 <tauno> I'm cleaning up the code and removing hacks currently.. but some things are hacked too deep already :|
Nov 28 11:18:16 <romainguy> yeah, trying to remove a hack myself
Nov 28 11:18:19 <romainguy> stupid animations
Nov 28 11:19:24 <jasta> mmmmmmmm, i just made a hamburger and let me tell you what: i did not realize quite how much i miss red meat :)
Nov 28 11:19:58 <romainguy> why do you miss red meat?
Nov 28 11:20:14 <tauno> ..that reminds me.. lunch time
Nov 28 11:20:17 <jasta> why do i miss it?  because it's delicious.  why do i not get it?  because my gf can't eat it.
Nov 28 11:20:33 <jasta> and because she can't eat it, i rarely get to as well hehe
Nov 28 11:20:45 <romainguy> that's what I suspected :)
Nov 28 11:20:55 <romainguy> that's one thing I would not do I have to say
Nov 28 11:21:21 <jasta> well, i don't fight it too much because i know it's not good for me...
Nov 28 11:21:28 <tauno> :)
Nov 28 11:21:30 <romainguy> yes
Nov 28 11:21:32 <romainguy> but it's meat :)
Nov 28 11:21:42 <jasta> but every now and then a nice steak or a hamburger just tastes sooooo good :)
Nov 28 11:21:45 <tauno> yeah, jasta, what's more important? :P
Nov 28 11:22:23 <jasta> romainguy: my gf eats meat, basically just not pork, beef, and lamb.
Nov 28 11:22:35 <tauno> ah..lamb..
Nov 28 11:22:38 <romainguy> so rabbit? :)
Nov 28 11:22:53 <romainguy> dang, I can't open source my app with these stupid hacks inside @!#
Nov 28 11:23:07 <jasta> hehe, well it's not a philosophical choice.  her body lacks some enzyme which breaks down a particular protein found in some types of meat
Nov 28 11:23:14 <jasta> so, she gets horribly sick if she eats it
Nov 28 11:23:23 <tauno> oh, that's sad :(
Nov 28 11:23:27 <romainguy> reminds me of my gf
Nov 28 11:23:34 <romainguy> she gets horribly sick if she eats/drink lactose
Nov 28 11:23:38 <jasta> but she can eat chicken and fish
Nov 28 11:23:45 <romainguy> yet she loves cheese and have cheese all the time :))
Nov 28 11:25:01 <jasta> she actually didn't used to eat chicken because she said she just didn't like it.  thankfully, i converted her on that one at least
Nov 28 11:25:27 <jasta> i'm pretty handy with a grill, so i whipped up a few things and now she likes chicken :)
Nov 28 11:27:19 <tauno> come on guys.. stop it.. it's winter here (so no grilling outside) and there are no shops/eating places where I could buy some meat around here.. and I'm hungry.
Nov 28 11:27:54 <gambler> tauno that reminds me of The Office.
Nov 28 11:27:57 <jasta> i was disappointed i missed my window to get a gyro actually.  thats what i really wanted, but the place closes at 3am :)
Nov 28 11:27:58 <gambler> Michael: "Who wants my man meat?" Dwight (excited): "I want your man meat Michael!!!"
Nov 28 11:28:19 <tauno> :P
Nov 28 11:28:38 <gambler> i love that show
Nov 28 11:29:47 <gambler> btw romainguy: if your brave enough you can buy your girlfriend some beano...that will sort out those lactose issues
Nov 28 11:30:05 <jasta> buy it for her for christmas.  she'll love that ;)
Nov 28 11:30:35 <romainguy> @!#
Nov 28 11:30:37 <romainguy> fucking animations
Nov 28 11:32:22 <gambler> i just got 3 head working on Fedora 10. Im semi amazed it was as painless as it was
Nov 28 11:32:26 <gambler> goodbye windows eclipse crashes
Nov 28 11:38:16 <romainguy> @!#
Nov 28 11:38:18 <romainguy> stupid drawable
Nov 28 11:40:23 <tauno> ugh.. I guess I'd have to install some Linux beast so I can build/use Android from source?
Nov 28 11:40:31 <romainguy> or OS X
Nov 28 11:41:23 <tauno> :(
Nov 28 11:43:08 <tauno> I'd really like to contribute to Android but I don't have time to installdebug Linux and don't want to buy an OSX licence just for that :(
Nov 28 11:43:17 <tauno> whiney me again.. sry
Nov 28 11:43:53 <jasta> fuck its late
Nov 28 11:43:58 <romainguy> yeah
Nov 28 11:44:04 <romainguy> and fuck these drawables too
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Nov 28 11:45:56 <jasta> wow, thats pretty annoying
Nov 28 11:47:25 <romainguy> my SuspiciousLoader class is getting scary ^^
Nov 28 11:49:39 <tauno> it sounds also scary.. or.. suspicious
Nov 28 11:49:49 <romainguy> it does do suspicious things
Nov 28 11:49:57 <romainguy> since you love hacks, you'd appreciate that class :)
Nov 28 11:51:30 <jasta> ok, i just realized i probably have another 30 minutes until i can start testing this code, which means it'll be at least another hour after that before it works.  i should just cut my losses and go to bed :)
Nov 28 11:51:48 <romainguy> that would be weak :)
Nov 28 11:52:09 <jasta> i still have family crap to do tomorrow.
Nov 28 11:52:28 <tauno> I don't actually love them - I'm trying to avoid them whenever possible but they still "happen" from time to time :P
Nov 28 11:52:30 <jasta> hehe, now that i think about it, i forgot to find out when im supposed to be at my moms tomorrow.  oh well, hopefully its not early :)
Nov 28 11:52:46 <romainguy> I have 200 slides to write tomorrow
Nov 28 11:52:48 <romainguy> <sigh>
Nov 28 11:52:56 <tauno> romainguy, good luck with that
Nov 28 11:53:01 <romainguy> yeah :)
Nov 28 12:00:02 <romainguy> tauno: if that can make you happy I identified a few APIs tonight that I should make public :)
Nov 28 12:14:21 <gambler> does anyone use the Fedora version of eclipse with android? Just wondering how you satisfied the WST (web tools) dependency.
Nov 28 12:14:31 <gambler> It looks tighter than the eclipse.org version
Nov 28 12:18:27 <romainguy> hmm git status doesn't respond for me either
Nov 28 12:18:36 <romainguy> I wonder if the servers are under maintenance or just down
Nov 28 12:18:50 <romainguy> hmm no
Nov 28 12:18:52 <romainguy> repo sync works
Nov 28 12:20:54 <tauno> romain, explain yourself :)
Nov 28 12:21:50 <romainguy> tauno: ?
Nov 28 12:21:58 <tauno> what APIs
Nov 28 12:22:03 <romainguy> ah
Nov 28 12:22:10 <romainguy> some drawables/animation stuff
Nov 28 12:22:17 <romainguy> things you can do from XML but not from code
Nov 28 12:22:31 <tauno> aha
Nov 28 12:25:13 <gambler> I just found the flaw in my plan
Nov 28 12:25:22 <gambler> has anyone build the android SDK on x86_64?
Nov 28 12:25:26 <romainguy> nope
Nov 28 12:25:49 <gambler> so much for using my extra memory
Nov 28 12:26:00 <gambler> romainguy, it wont build ?
Nov 28 12:26:14 <romainguy> I meant, I'm not building it on x86_64 linux
Nov 28 12:26:22 <romainguy> but I know it caused trouble to other devs
Nov 28 12:27:02 <gambler> :( damn
Nov 28 12:40:37 <tric> gambler: i did, on amd64 sid some weeks ago
Nov 28 12:40:47 <tric> worked without any problem iirc
Nov 28 12:41:09 <tric> but im only using the emu out of it, for dev im using the _r1
Nov 28 12:56:41 <blau> build the android sdk?
Nov 28 12:56:44 <blau> did i miss something?
Nov 28 12:59:29 <tric> seems so
Nov 28 13:01:53 <blau> I need a good name for an app that lets you set away from phone stuff
Nov 28 13:02:06 <blau> so you can auto respond via text message to txt's or phone calls
Nov 28 13:02:14 <blau> or you can forward txt messages to another phone
Nov 28 13:02:26 <tauno> AwayDroid? :P
Nov 28 13:03:00 <tauno> romainguy, still there?
Nov 28 13:03:04 <romainguy> yep
Nov 28 13:03:06 <blau> i was thinking just Away
Nov 28 13:03:39 <tauno> romainguy, are there plans for releasing some UI guidelines? :)
Nov 28 13:03:44 <romainguy> yep
Nov 28 13:04:02 <tauno> is there something more than jsut plans? :)
Nov 28 13:04:47 <blau> lol
Nov 28 13:05:34 <blau> romain: any opinion on whether the datepicker and timeicker should select all when the edittext views get focus?
Nov 28 13:05:49 <romainguy> tauno: yes
Nov 28 13:06:20 <tauno> romainguy, good to know, thanks
Nov 28 13:06:20 <romainguy> blau: I can see both being useful :)
Nov 28 13:08:29 <blau> thats the one pick thing in the ui that annoys me to no end
Nov 28 13:09:02 <romainguy> if that's all that annoys you... :))
Nov 28 13:09:19 <blau> s/pick/big/
Nov 28 13:09:21 <infobot> blau meant: thats the one big thing in the ui that annoys me to no end
Nov 28 13:09:34 <blau> everything else that annoys me is tiny
Nov 28 13:09:37 <tauno> (next time the android-discuss moderators are taking a break for a few days, they should just "allow all" till they come back :) )
Nov 28 13:09:45 <blau> except for maybe the messaging performance
Nov 28 13:09:54 <romainguy> tauno: you complain a lot :)
Nov 28 13:10:04 <tauno> romainguy, I do what I can do best
Nov 28 13:10:09 <tauno> ;)
Nov 28 13:10:13 <romainguy> you should be friend with languish
Nov 28 13:10:35 <tauno> I think we are brothers separated at birth
Nov 28 13:10:44 <tauno> ..or something like that
Nov 28 13:11:25 <blau> lol
Nov 28 13:11:52 <tauno> speaking of complaining - I want to anticomplain.. I really like the funky moves that the ListViews scrollbar makes.. this shouldn't be fixed :)
Nov 28 13:12:09 <romainguy> too late
Nov 28 13:12:16 <tauno> fixed already?
Nov 28 13:12:30 <tauno> ah, sad :)
Nov 28 13:12:38 <romainguy> it really looked basd
Nov 28 13:12:39 <romainguy> -s
Nov 28 13:13:28 <tauno> other than looks - it doesn't allow you to scroll up again when viewing details of some app in Market for example (using the trackball)
Nov 28 13:13:35 <blau> tauno: like in the market?
Nov 28 13:13:48 <romainguy> tauno: yeah, known bug
Nov 28 13:14:18 <blau>  i like how the scrollbar resizes weirdly
Nov 28 13:14:29 <romainguy> well that's gone :)
Nov 28 13:14:41 <tauno> but I think I'm going to actually miss this thingie.. I mean.. it always brings a smile to my face when I try to see how small or big I can make it (the scrollbar) :)
Nov 28 13:14:43 <blau> until i resubmit the change!
Nov 28 13:14:43 <romainguy> it still weird, but less weird
Nov 28 13:14:56 <romainguy> blau: but I won't approve it :)
Nov 28 13:15:06 <tauno> it's like a small minigame..
Nov 28 13:15:21 <blau> where was the bug, in the actual scrollbar stuff
Nov 28 13:15:27 <blau> or the way the listview was put together?
Nov 28 13:15:32 <blau> could i easily reproduce it in my apps?
Nov 28 13:15:36 <romainguy> it wasn't a bug
Nov 28 13:15:41 <blau> oh
Nov 28 13:15:43 <tauno> "it's a feature"
Nov 28 13:15:46 <romainguy> no
Nov 28 13:15:49 <tauno> :)
Nov 28 13:15:57 <romainguy> but it was working the way the code was designed to work
Nov 28 13:16:06 <romainguy> it's just that Market uses ListView in a weird way
Nov 28 13:16:13 <romainguy> with items of very different heights
Nov 28 13:16:17 <romainguy> and that threw the scrollbar computations off
Nov 28 13:16:26 <romainguy> so now in this case we do something different
Nov 28 13:16:36 <blau> do enough people actually have grandcentral invites that g1 central isnt getting horribl reviews?
Nov 28 13:16:36 <romainguy> it's not pretty but much  more "normal"
Nov 28 13:18:30 <tmzt> does the sim draw the BootAnimation at all?
Nov 28 13:18:49 <romainguy> the SIM?
Nov 28 13:18:52 <romainguy> no
Nov 28 13:19:03 <tauno> oh, great, my app got its icon back! :)
Nov 28 13:19:18 <romainguy> http://progx.org/users/Gfx/shelves_2.mp4 \o/
Nov 28 13:20:06 <tmzt> romainguy: you do graphics but not kernel level/SurfaceFlinger? or not?
Nov 28 13:20:17 <romainguy> no, I don't do low-level stuff
Nov 28 13:20:25 <romainguy> (well sometimes when I really need to, but that's not my job normally)
Nov 28 13:20:36 <tmzt> was any 0.8 git source released?
Nov 28 13:21:25 <tmzt> this makes sense then, the only bootanimation code I can see in 1.0 uses GLES which apparently is not used on sim
Nov 28 13:21:43 <romainguy> wait
Nov 28 13:21:49 <romainguy> are you talking about the emulator or the simulator?
Nov 28 13:22:36 <tmzt> I guess emulator (qemu), I thought it was called sim because of a comment in one of the files
Nov 28 13:22:44 <romainguy> it's an emulator
Nov 28 13:22:48 <romainguy> there's also a simulator
Nov 28 13:22:52 <romainguy> and OpenGL ES works in the emulator
Nov 28 13:22:57 <tmzt> which is compiled java for x86?
Nov 28 13:23:04 <romainguy> and the boot animation shows up for me in the emulator
Nov 28 13:23:08 <tmzt> (simulator)
Nov 28 13:23:14 <tauno> romainguy, whats the difference?
Nov 28 13:23:18 <romainguy> the simulator doesn't emulate the CPU
Nov 28 13:23:25 <romainguy> it just runs Android straight on x86
Nov 28 13:23:28 <romainguy> it's a LOT faster
Nov 28 13:23:32 <romainguy> works only on Linux
Nov 28 13:23:42 <tauno> oh ok, that's why I haven't seen it I guess :)
Nov 28 13:23:53 <romainguy> and it's discouraged to use it anyway
Nov 28 13:24:43 <blau> any idea if   telephonyManager.listen(new PhoneCallListener(context), PhoneStateListener.LISTEN_CALL_STATE);  can dissapear?
Nov 28 13:25:32 <romainguy> is it a documented public API?
Nov 28 13:25:55 <blau> yes, but i mean like can my listener be unregistered?
Nov 28 13:26:01 <blau> the apidocs dont seen to say
Nov 28 13:26:11 <romainguy> not if you don't remove it
Nov 28 13:26:25 <blau> ok
Nov 28 13:27:00 <blau> and i cant figure out how to remove it or get a list of registered listeners
Nov 28 13:32:46 <gambler> tric, cool im gonna start building it now
Nov 28 13:32:47 <romainguy> blau: it's explained in the documentation
Nov 28 13:32:49 <romainguy> "To unregister a listener, pass the listener object and set the events argument to LISTEN_NONE (0)."
Nov 28 13:34:29 <blau> romain: im an idiot
Nov 28 13:34:36 <blau> i even read that at some point
Nov 28 13:34:44 <blau> and it didnt click
Nov 28 13:34:51 <blau> or i asked it before and got the same answer
Nov 28 13:35:11 <blau> wait... even better, i implemented it and didnt remember
Nov 28 13:35:16 <blau> :(
Nov 28 13:36:40 <tric> is it possible for an activity to switch the internet connection from lets say umts to wlan?
Nov 28 13:36:56 <blau> some mornings i should be allowed to touch a computer
Nov 28 13:36:59 <blau> shouldnt
Nov 28 13:37:00 <romainguy> an application can turn on wifi
Nov 28 13:37:54 <tauno> romainguy, you have some idea why Phones.NUMBER_KEY returns the number in reverse? (eg basically the same as Phones.NUMBER but reversed)?
Nov 28 13:38:04 <romainguy> yes
Nov 28 13:38:09 <romainguy> that's used to do phone number matching
Nov 28 13:38:42 <romainguy> so that it doesn't matter whether your phone number is stored/received as +1-555-123-4444 or (555) 123-4444
Nov 28 13:38:44 <romainguy> etc.
Nov 28 13:38:58 <romainguy> if you do the matching in reverse, it's easier, faster and more accurate :)
Nov 28 13:39:14 <blau> oooh you google guys are so smart
Nov 28 13:39:35 <tauno> romainguy, ok, that explains it :)
Nov 28 13:39:48 <romainguy> in the application I just showed a video of, I do something similar
Nov 28 13:39:50 <blau> does android.intent.action.SCREEN_ON actually work, cause i cant seem to receive anything after turning the screen on
Nov 28 13:39:55 <blau> but i may just be doing something wrong
Nov 28 13:39:57 <romainguy> my database contains a column called sort_title
Nov 28 13:40:02 <romainguy> it's the same as the title column
Nov 28 13:40:04 <tric> romainguy: oh ok, and when wifi turned on android will actually use it?
Nov 28 13:40:19 <romainguy> except it's all lower case and it removes "a", "the", "an", etc. at the beginning
Nov 28 13:40:25 <romainguy> tric: well yes
Nov 28 13:40:25 <tauno> romainguy, that was your app that you showed?
Nov 28 13:40:31 <romainguy> yes
Nov 28 13:40:32 <tauno> romainguy, looked nice :)
Nov 28 13:41:55 <blau> you guys from the united states?
Nov 28 13:42:08 <tauno> blau, nope
Nov 28 13:42:10 <romainguy> I'm from France but I live in the US
Nov 28 13:42:24 <blau> romain, do any shopping this morning?
Nov 28 13:42:33 <romainguy> well it's 6am
Nov 28 13:42:37 <romainguy> and I have yet to go to bed
Nov 28 13:42:39 <romainguy> so no :)
Nov 28 13:42:58 <blau> romain, but youll miss all the sales!
Nov 28 13:43:00 <blau> lol
Nov 28 13:43:04 <romainguy> so?
Nov 28 13:43:14 <tauno> romainguy, feature request - make the title of the book autoscrolling when it's selected (not actually scrolling but moving from beginning to end and then resetting back to beginning for x-seconds and then start scrolling again) ;)
Nov 28 13:43:15 <romainguy> I'm actually scared of tomorrow
Nov 28 13:43:18 <romainguy> I live downtown SF
Nov 28 13:43:28 <eugene> blau: where are you from :)
Nov 28 13:43:28 <romainguy> I wonder if I'll even be able to open the door of my building
Nov 28 13:43:38 <blau> im from new jersey
Nov 28 13:43:42 <eugene> ah
Nov 28 13:43:43 <blau> in the united states
Nov 28 13:43:48 <offby1> blau: which exit?
Nov 28 13:43:49 * offby1 slaps thigh
Nov 28 13:43:50 <romainguy> tauno: that's coming in the next RC update
Nov 28 13:43:55 <blau> i work 105, live 127
Nov 28 13:44:05 <offby1> ooh, I wasn't prepared for an actual answer :)
Nov 28 13:44:06 <tauno> romainguy, ?
Nov 28 13:44:09 <blau> lol
Nov 28 13:44:17 <eugene> blau: I live in Singapore
Nov 28 13:44:18 <romainguy> tauno: the next Android update adds this feature to TextView
Nov 28 13:44:27 <offby1> <-- Plainfield/Westfield as of many years ago
Nov 28 13:44:33 <romainguy> tauno: so when this feature is public, my app will use it :)
Nov 28 13:44:45 <tauno> romainguy, so.. my current custom implementation is all for nothing again :P
Nov 28 13:44:50 <romainguy> yep
Nov 28 13:44:52 <blau> cool, im living in north plainfield now
Nov 28 13:44:54 <tauno> argh :P
Nov 28 13:45:54 <blau> i ordered a crapload of dvds and blu rays from amazon
Nov 28 13:46:05 <blau> and went to staples this mornign for a bunch of memory cards/sticks/flash drives
Nov 28 13:46:10 <offby1> "Route 22" ... "Watchung Mountains"
Nov 28 13:46:21 <offby1> "Two Guys from Harrison"
Nov 28 13:51:30 <blau> im right off rt22 basically
Nov 28 13:51:39 <blau> the soda machine just gave me 2 sodas again
Nov 28 13:51:42 <blau> its my lucky day!
Nov 28 13:54:04 <tauno> btw.. after all this meat talk.. I ate some lamb meat for lunch (had do walk a little but in the end it payed off big time) (:
Nov 28 13:54:22 <blau> i want pizza
Nov 28 13:54:49 <aanishn> hi all, has anyone tried using USB mouse with android ?
Nov 28 13:56:49 <tauno> ..lamb shashlik (or whatever it's called in english)
Nov 28 13:57:09 <eugene> blau: i had pizza :D
Nov 28 13:57:54 <languish> tauno "lamb kebobs"
Nov 28 13:58:10 <languish> or lamb on a skewer
Nov 28 13:59:11 <blau> i love google
Nov 28 13:59:14 * blau hugs google
Nov 28 13:59:17 <tmzt> aanishn: bluetooth might be closer on rc29 and modified rc30
Nov 28 13:59:26 <tauno> languish, kebab's a little different but something similar, yes
Nov 28 14:00:00 <tauno> let me tell you, it tasted really freat :P
Nov 28 14:00:05 <tauno> great*
Nov 28 14:01:57 <aanishn> tmzt, bluetooth ??
Nov 28 14:02:10 <tmzt> aanishn: bluetooth mouse I mean
Nov 28 14:02:11 <gambler> tric, how did you get by prebuilt/
Nov 28 14:06:34 <gambler> yeesh its never easy
Nov 28 14:21:44 <blau> when i send an sms from my emulator
Nov 28 14:22:03 <blau> how can i verify that
Nov 28 14:22:17 <offby1> you're drinking soda at 9:00 am?
Nov 28 14:22:20 * offby1 clucks
Nov 28 14:23:37 <blau> yeah lol
Nov 28 14:28:50 <tmzt> romainguy: is MSMFB_BLIT needed after writing directly to the framebuffer?
Nov 28 14:28:59 <romainguy> no idea
Nov 28 14:29:12 <romainguy> besides, it's not supported :))
Nov 28 14:29:22 <tmzt> not on g1
Nov 28 14:29:42 <romainguy> not on Android :)
Nov 28 14:33:07 * jbq waves at romainguy
Nov 28 14:33:11 <romainguy> yo
Nov 28 14:33:15 <romainguy> jbq: waking up?
Nov 28 14:33:17 <romainguy> or going to bed?
Nov 28 14:33:23 <jbq> waking up
Nov 28 14:33:33 * offby1 grunts at jbq, and pours coffee
Nov 28 14:33:41 <romainguy> jbq: mathias and I are about to go to bed
Nov 28 14:33:46 <romainguy> (separately :)
Nov 28 14:33:47 <jbq> lol
Nov 28 14:33:54 <eugene> heh
Nov 28 14:34:00 <jbq> I'm wondering whether to go ski today.
Nov 28 14:34:26 <offby1> decisions, decisions
Nov 28 14:34:27 <romainguy> if you go I'll be very jealous
Nov 28 14:34:32 <romainguy> and I'll have to make you pay on Monday :)
Nov 28 14:34:37 <offby1> I won't, as long as he doesn't tell us how nice it was
Nov 28 14:35:17 <jbq> It's unlikely to be nice. which is why I'm not sure. Boreal on 8" of artificial snow isn't that compelling.
Nov 28 14:38:19 <blau> bought 4 8 gig sandisk drives today
Nov 28 14:38:20 <blau> lol
Nov 28 14:43:11 <offby1> blau: I have one on my Amazon "wish list".
Nov 28 14:43:21 <offby1> The 16 gig ones cost way more than twice as much, which is odd.
Nov 28 14:44:05 <blau> 12.99 each! after rebate
Nov 28 14:44:18 <offby1> yikes!  where'd you get 'em?
Nov 28 14:44:20 <blau> staples
Nov 28 14:44:23 <blau> early morning sale
Nov 28 14:44:24 <offby1> huh
Nov 28 14:44:27 <offby1> aw
Nov 28 14:44:54 <blau> they are only on sale till 10am
Nov 28 14:45:02 <offby1> and 3,000 miles away.
Nov 28 14:45:16 <blau> you can make it
Nov 28 14:46:16 <tauno> send one this way too then
Nov 28 14:46:35 <blau> got a few 4 gig micro sdhcs
Nov 28 14:46:37 <blau> for $10
Nov 28 14:50:49 <tauno> I'm spending my $10 on this (gf is dragging me there): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944101/
Nov 28 14:51:45 <blau> im trying to drag my gf to see transporter 3
Nov 28 14:53:19 <blau> its possible to send txt messages hwile on a phone call right
Nov 28 14:53:34 <gambler> Philistine
Nov 28 14:53:45 <gambler> ...I didnt even know they made a transporter 2
Nov 28 14:54:49 <blau> transporter 2 was worse than 1 but more enjoyable
Nov 28 14:55:29 <gambler> I havent seen anything good from that actor since LS2SB
Nov 28 14:55:55 <tauno> huh.. just printed out my cinema tickets and noticed that they are putting ads there also :( damn ads everywhere
Nov 28 14:56:28 <tauno> ..that's a google channel, sry.. I wanted to say that I love ads :>
Nov 28 14:57:24 <blau> jason statham is awesome
Nov 28 14:57:31 <blau> Crank was a cinematic masterpiece
Nov 28 14:58:56 <cutmasta> dito
Nov 28 14:58:57 <cutmasta> :)
Nov 28 15:00:41 <blau> ne1 use trillian for irc?
Nov 28 15:00:45 <gambler> ill check it ou - i just hope it has a storyline
Nov 28 15:01:11 <gambler> so much stuff out of hollywood nowadays is just a bunch of events in sequence and random chase scenes
Nov 28 15:01:11 <blau> oh, maybe you should skip it then
Nov 28 15:01:21 <gambler> lol
Nov 28 15:01:38 <gambler> well i hope the fighting is good
Nov 28 15:42:56 <Disconnect> JesusFreke: i forgot a file :( redoing the zip now
Nov 28 15:45:02 * IznastY - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]
Nov 28 16:26:18 <Disconnect> i guess i should get off my butt and flash JesusFreke's newer rc30
Nov 28 16:37:00 <blau> woop
Nov 28 16:55:16 <blau> my amazon balance is 0 :(
Nov 28 17:08:47 <blau> hi
Nov 28 17:12:31 <mikey|> hello all, anyone know what happened to the Spare Parts app?
Nov 28 17:13:37 <blau> havent heard of it
Nov 28 17:14:36 <mikey|> it was apparently an app made by the Andoid team which added extra options to the system
Nov 28 17:17:26 <Disconnect> there's aSettings that just came out
Nov 28 17:28:58 <mikey|> aSettings looks very useful
Nov 28 17:30:19 <Disconnect> cooool bt pan w/ dhcp is working for me.
Nov 28 17:30:29 <blau> why would anyone use asettings for ringmode?
Nov 28 17:30:40 <Disconnect> (99% working, just need to figure out why it didn't push a gateway)
Nov 28 17:30:54 <blau> and is asettings opensource?
Nov 28 17:31:15 <mikey|> i got mine exchanged today cos of the squeaky screen issue
Nov 28 17:31:43 <mikey|> t mob only took the phone and let me keep the battery and all accessories and they gave another box with the same accessories
Nov 28 17:31:48 <mikey|> 2 batteries now \o/
Nov 28 17:32:59 <blau> coo
Nov 28 17:36:12 <Disconnect> anyone familiar with repo?
Nov 28 17:36:37 <Disconnect> (or git) .. i have some submitted changes. i want to make standard diffs of everything that isn't accepted upstream.
Nov 28 17:37:11 <Disconnect> (the changes in garrett plus the edits I just made)
Nov 28 17:42:25 <blau> grrr cant send sms while on call?
Nov 28 17:47:00 <blau> is there a way to send a txt message through the messaging program? or make a message show up in a conversation?
Nov 28 17:50:42 <mikey|> hmm..the email app crashed on me while downloading a 500kb .gz file
Nov 28 17:52:45 <blau> pwned
Nov 28 17:53:23 <Disconnect> anyone here worked with git/repo?
Nov 28 17:53:47 <Disconnect> trying to get a udiff of all changes in my branch against the master upstream (some submitted already, some not)
Nov 28 17:54:44 <mikey|> the Camera code has stuff for Video recording, but it's not implemented it seems :(
Nov 28 17:55:53 <Disconnect> the camera can barely take a picture in 5 seconds..
Nov 28 17:56:02 <blau> lol
Nov 28 17:56:05 <blau> stop motion!
Nov 28 17:56:34 <Disconnect> its real -real- old school. "everyone sit still for 15 seconds while I load the tintype!"
Nov 28 17:56:52 * offby1 sits still
Nov 28 17:57:00 <Disconnect> damn. you breatehd.
Nov 28 17:57:01 <offby1> Disconnect: yeah, tell me about it
Nov 28 17:57:35 <offby1> plus, half the time when I start the "camera" app, it's actually still running, and displaying existing pictures; I haven't figured out how to get it to go from "display existing pictures" mode to "I wanna take a picture NOW, damnit" mode.
Nov 28 17:57:36 <Disconnect> if it wasn't for the holiday, google employees would be jumping up and down insisting that we stop bitching and submit patches.
Nov 28 17:57:52 <offby1> do they do that?  I haven't heard that sentiment here
Nov 28 17:58:02 * ttuttle jumps up and down and insists that you stop bitching and submit patches.
Nov 28 17:58:06 <ttuttle> (/me was an intern.)
Nov 28 17:58:09 <offby1> ttuttle: duly noted.
Nov 28 17:58:19 <Disconnect> not as much now that it's been repeatedly explained that its a bullshit answer :)
Nov 28 17:58:32 <ttuttle> They're working on that.
Nov 28 17:58:34 <offby1> actually the one bit I'd most like to fix, I can't, because a) it's not open source; and b) it's a kernel driver, and I don't know squat about the kernel
Nov 28 17:59:10 <ttuttle> offby1: Oh, what is it?
Nov 28 17:59:22 <Disconnect> yeppers. and even if it was, c) you can't put it on actual hardware
Nov 28 17:59:27 <offby1> kernel panic when I'm talking on the phone
Nov 28 17:59:41 <ttuttle> Ouch.
Nov 28 17:59:44 <ttuttle> Never had that happen myself.
Nov 28 17:59:46 <Disconnect> offby1: might be hw. whats logcat say?
Nov 28 17:59:51 <offby1> I've nagged jbq about it, and he's forwarded my logs to kernel folks
Nov 28 17:59:55 <Disconnect> kewl
Nov 28 18:00:02 <mikey|> ViewVideo.java :o
Nov 28 18:00:05 <offby1> ... from whom I haven't yet heard back, but ...
Nov 28 18:00:20 <offby1> presumably they'll get to it when they get to it.
Nov 28 18:00:46 <mikey|> hmm...shouldnt the g1 wake from sleep if gets a text message?
Nov 28 18:00:54 <ttuttle> mikey|: probably.
Nov 28 18:01:00 <mikey|> it didnt for me
Nov 28 18:01:16 <mikey|> got a text at 5:44pm, woke up my phone at 5:59
Nov 28 18:01:22 <mikey|> and it made the alert sound
Nov 28 18:01:54 <ttuttle> mikey|: how do you know you got the text at 5:44?  maybe it got stuck in the tubes?
Nov 28 18:02:06 <Disconnect> if they want to make it open (even without root) they should see about including jf's cramfs utilities images. super useful :) and it doesn't change the size (or ro-ness) of /system, so no user-visible changes needed.
Nov 28 18:02:08 <mikey|> it says so on the notification bar
Nov 28 18:02:09 <offby1> them tubes clog a lot, y'know
Nov 28 18:02:22 <ttuttle> mikey|: hmm
Nov 28 18:02:23 <mikey|> it's only a text message, not an email
Nov 28 18:03:09 <Disconnect> weird. mine always kicks off on time (or at least, i've never gotten a notification and seen it was late. missed a couple of notifications but that could just as easily be the super-super-weak vibration)
Nov 28 18:03:09 * mikey| goes off to spam himself from cbfsms.com
Nov 28 18:03:19 * ttuttle doesn't get text messages, ever.
Nov 28 18:03:30 <ttuttle> (/me had AT&T shut them off, as AT&T now charges $0.20 per message.)
Nov 28 18:03:35 <blau> disc: my app lets you set a cusotm smsm vibration
Nov 28 18:03:45 <blau> custom sms
Nov 28 18:03:47 <Disconnect> can it be stronger?
Nov 28 18:04:00 <blau> no, but it can be longer, so you are much more likely to notice it
Nov 28 18:04:07 <mikey|> which app?
Nov 28 18:04:10 <blau> i have mine as a little jingle
Nov 28 18:04:11 <blau> dgAlert
Nov 28 18:04:22 <blau> one of the users posted a custom string, that is really cool, long but cool
Nov 28 18:04:52 <mikey|> hmm..that alert tone is really weak and short, need a better tone for it
Nov 28 18:05:21 <blau> with my app you can make it vibrate for a minute if you desire
Nov 28 18:05:24 <mikey|> i prolly missed the alert (music on laptop), but the screen didnt turn on so i didnt notice
Nov 28 18:05:32 <mikey|> blau: is it on app store?
Nov 28 18:05:36 <blau> mikey, yes
Nov 28 18:05:41 <ttuttle> %s/app store/market/g
Nov 28 18:05:49 <blau> it lets you enable turning the screen on when you get a sms too
Nov 28 18:05:54 <mikey|> yeah, market, my bad
Nov 28 18:06:02 <Disconnect> why does dgalert want internet access?
Nov 28 18:06:16 <blau> disc: version checking, blame google for that
Nov 28 18:06:22 <blau> you are the first person to ever ask
Nov 28 18:06:26 <blau> you can have a cookie
Nov 28 18:06:33 <mikey|> for stealin' your internets
Nov 28 18:06:51 <blau> i really thought people would care about the permissions
Nov 28 18:06:55 <blau> but it seems it doesnt matter
Nov 28 18:07:05 <Disconnect> some do, they just don't ask :)
Nov 28 18:07:09 <tric> ah, finally good or at least decent voip quality out of android/emulator
Nov 28 18:07:59 <mikey|> blau: you used xml preferences for this right?
Nov 28 18:08:04 <blau> yes
Nov 28 18:08:14 <blau> why do you ask?
Nov 28 18:08:20 <mikey|> are the options auto-commit()ed?
Nov 28 18:08:29 <mikey|> to the prefs file
Nov 28 18:08:38 <blau> like the moment you click something?
Nov 28 18:08:42 <mikey|> yeah
Nov 28 18:08:56 <mikey|> i dont recall seeing any commit code in the apps i've seen
Nov 28 18:09:00 <blau> ill check
Nov 28 18:09:07 <blau> yes
Nov 28 18:09:19 <blau> as soon as you change something, they commit
Nov 28 18:09:34 <mikey|> ah, ok
Nov 28 18:10:15 <blau> almost got my away from phone app working %100!
Nov 28 18:11:55 <blau> weird
Nov 28 18:11:59 <blau> my apostrophe dissapears
Nov 28 18:12:06 <blau> in a dialog box
Nov 28 18:12:09 <mikey|> excellent stuff blau, the app works very nicely
Nov 28 18:12:14 <blau> thanks mikey
Nov 28 18:12:46 <blau> using alertdialog.builder and .setmessage, any apostrophes seem to dissapear
Nov 28 18:15:18 <mikey|> this weeks gadget show looks good, they try to get an apple fan to convert to the g1
Nov 28 18:15:30 <blau> cool
Nov 28 18:16:03 <Disconnect> wow more bad publicity for the g1. sweet.
Nov 28 18:16:21 <blau> mikey: if you wind up really liking dgAlert, would you be really nice and set a short email to HelpMeGetAGoogJob@gmail.com saying how great I am and that I would be a great asset as a software engineer to google
Nov 28 18:16:30 <Disconnect> lol
Nov 28 18:17:42 <mikey|> lol
Nov 28 18:18:58 <blau> :)
Nov 28 18:20:14 <mikey|> bbl, gadget show time
Nov 28 18:21:53 <blau> anyone got some good uses for thumb drives
Nov 28 18:24:02 <Damm> raid?
Nov 28 18:25:09 <KNY> DSL/Puppy?
Nov 28 18:25:58 <ivantis2> i think i might be getting a G1 phone!
Nov 28 18:26:02 <blau> congrats
Nov 28 18:26:08 <ivantis2> is it by AT&T right?
Nov 28 18:27:42 <ivantis2> er, T-Mobile
Nov 28 18:27:52 <blau> tmobile yes
Nov 28 18:28:03 <ivantis2> wow, #android talked the most on 11-12
Nov 28 18:28:11 <ivantis2> 392K
Nov 28 18:28:18 <ivantis2> in my logs
Nov 28 18:28:45 <ivantis2> from the last 26 days
Nov 28 18:29:08 <ivantis2> http://android.irclogs.space-lab.us/stats/
Nov 28 18:31:33 <ivantis2> the biggest thing about android i like is its open source, and i can write applications for it :)
Nov 28 18:40:40 <Disconnect> you can write apps for iphone, s60, palm, wm...
Nov 28 18:40:48 <Disconnect> blackberry.
Nov 28 18:42:02 <KNY> ivantis2, wtf, I'm not even top 10. I gotta step it up
Nov 28 18:42:45 <ivantis2> did you hear that that statement said "and"? it is open source, as well as i can write apps for it. both of those are true, but on other phones not open source
Nov 28 18:42:59 <synalx> most other phones cost the developer money to write apps for
Nov 28 18:43:07 <synalx> and they don't have such good simulators
Nov 28 18:43:36 <ivantis2> ((openSource(android)) && (iCanWriteAppsFor(android))) is true
Nov 28 18:43:38 <TiberiumX> The emulator does make development a breeze.  I really only load stuff onto the phone when I want to make sure I'm not making something too small to see on its screen.
Nov 28 18:43:59 <ivantis2> i tried using the emulator for a test app i wrote, and it didnt work
Nov 28 18:44:04 <ivantis2> ubuntu 8.04
Nov 28 18:44:12 <TiberiumX> The emulator didn't start?
Nov 28 18:44:19 <ivantis2> no
Nov 28 18:44:25 <ivantis2> the emulator started
Nov 28 18:44:31 <ivantis2> but how do i load an app into it?
Nov 28 18:44:37 <TiberiumX> With adb.
Nov 28 18:44:41 <ivantis2> adb?
Nov 28 18:44:45 <TiberiumX> adb install <path to package>
Nov 28 18:44:50 <ivantis2> ah
Nov 28 18:44:59 <ivantis2> well, too bad i threw it away
Nov 28 18:45:11 <ivantis2> er, rm -r'ed it
Nov 28 18:46:14 <ivantis2> KNY, im not even on there for anything. i barely ever talk here
Nov 28 18:46:29 <ivantis2> im more of a #perl person
Nov 28 18:46:30 <KNY> I've never noticed you before, haha
Nov 28 18:46:46 <ivantis2> well, ive been here 26 days keeping logs
Nov 28 18:46:49 <ivantis2> as ivantis
Nov 28 18:46:56 <KNY> ah
Nov 28 18:47:24 <ivantis2> http:irclogs.space-lab.us
Nov 28 18:47:29 <ivantis2> oops
Nov 28 18:47:32 <ivantis2> add //
Nov 28 18:47:42 <ivantis2> i keep logs of a couple other places
Nov 28 18:48:20 <ivantis2> aw, im not in the C++ stats either
Nov 28 18:48:28 <TiberiumX> If I wanted to do something every time my phone was plugged into a charger, am I correct in thinking that I would have to register for the BOOT_COMPLETED intent and then start a service to listen for ACTION_BATTERY_CHANGED?
Nov 28 18:51:55 <offby1> A couple of times I've placed a call by dialing with the dialer, and the screen changes to say "Call In Progress" ... but I don't hear anything.  (Other calls work fine).  What could be wrong?
Nov 28 18:53:14 <TiberiumX> Have you had anything plugged into the USB port while that happened?
Nov 28 18:53:19 <ivantis2> does android yet have an IRC client?
Nov 28 18:53:19 <offby1> ah, perhaps
Nov 28 18:53:32 <offby1> TiberiumX: I do have the USB plugged in.  Lemme try without
Nov 28 18:53:37 <KNY> ivantis, there are several in the workds
Nov 28 18:53:38 <KNY> works*
Nov 28 18:53:42 <KNY> nothing released yet, afaik
Nov 28 18:53:45 <TiberiumX> If something is connected to its audio pins, it redirects to there.
Nov 28 18:53:58 <ivantis2> can android run perl?
Nov 28 18:53:59 <d0nets> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134821&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-20-134-821-_-Product
Nov 28 18:54:08 <ivantis2> i wrote an IRC client in perl once
Nov 28 18:54:10 <d0nets> 8 gb micro sdhc cards for 17.99
Nov 28 18:54:13 <ivantis2> and an irc robot
Nov 28 18:54:20 <KNY> ivantis, not without root it can't
Nov 28 18:54:46 <ivantis2> without root?
Nov 28 18:54:48 <ivantis2> how lame
Nov 28 18:54:50 <TiberiumX> I saw a native hello world out there that didn't require root, so maybe you could run perl.
Nov 28 18:55:05 <ivantis2> well, perl is the best
Nov 28 18:55:07 <TiberiumX> Not sure how you'd go about interfacing it with the androig GUI.
Nov 28 18:55:16 <KNY> TiberiumX, yeah, you can package native code in your .apks but it's not supported at all
Nov 28 18:55:19 <Disconnect> anyone understand repo? I need to "start over" and gerrit my local branch up
Nov 28 18:55:23 <offby1> TiberiumX: disconnecting the USB cord made only this difference: when the call ends, I hear a little beep.  Other than that, though, it's still not working :-|
Nov 28 18:55:30 <offby1> it's weird, since I've made -some- calls that work fine.
Nov 28 18:55:34 <ivantis2> maybe it has some good modules for android's GUI
Nov 28 18:55:42 <ivantis2> similar to Tk or Qt
Nov 28 18:55:57 <KNY> the UI is Java
Nov 28 18:56:01 <KNY> learn to love it
Nov 28 18:56:55 <TiberiumX> offby1: Dunno then.  I just had the experience a few times of having been listening to music on it while charging with a Y adapter, and then aswering a call and dealing with a bit of confusion while neither of us could hear the other.
Nov 28 18:56:56 <ivantis2> cool!
Nov 28 18:57:07 <ivantis2> there are already android-app jobs on elance
Nov 28 18:57:08 <TiberiumX> Never had any other audio problems.
Nov 28 18:57:19 <TiberiumX> Is call volume separate from other volume controls maybe?
Nov 28 18:57:25 <ivantis2> http://www.elance.com/c/rfp/main/rfpBid.pl?jobid=15742069
Nov 28 18:57:29 <offby1> well, the call volume says it's at maximum
Nov 28 18:57:44 <offby1> time to see if T-mobile's support sucks as badly as every other large organization's :-|
Nov 28 18:58:39 <KNY> yeah, unless you can dupe the problem on the spot with their support, they won't do squat
Nov 28 18:58:50 <KNY> ("they" being t-mobile)
Nov 28 18:59:33 <ivantis2> thats how a lot of big companies are with open source stuff
Nov 28 18:59:42 <ivantis2> they get pissed if you modified it
Nov 28 18:59:45 <mikey|> does the maps app not support zooming in by double tap?
Nov 28 18:59:59 <KNY> ivantis, what does that have to do with t-mobile's support on a stock device?
Nov 28 19:00:18 <TiberiumX> Maps app seems to be generally gimped in a lot of areas...
Nov 28 19:00:41 <KNY> yeah, Maps is definitely way weaker than maps.google.com
Nov 28 19:00:47 <ivantis2> is anyone else here registered on elance?
Nov 28 19:03:04 <benley> offby1`: tmobile's phone support has been somewhat less terrible than other telcos in my experience
Nov 28 19:06:39 <mikey|> wow, compass is cool :D
Nov 28 19:11:33 <jasta> yawn
Nov 28 19:14:48 <Disconnect> jasta: you worked with repo much?
Nov 28 19:14:56 <offby1`> ok, 15 minutes later, t-mobile's support says: reboot the phone :-|
Nov 28 19:15:01 <offby1`> I confess that _did_ work, but ... geez
Nov 28 19:15:10 <Disconnect> shoulda started there
Nov 28 19:15:14 <jasta> Disconnect: not really, no
Nov 28 19:15:18 <Disconnect> damn
Nov 28 19:15:44 * Disconnect needs to do something that should be simple - resubmit all the changes from a local branch
Nov 28 19:15:47 <jasta> offby1: what did you expect?  those supports dummies dont know anything
Nov 28 19:16:11 <jasta> Disconnect: git commit --ammend and repo upload?
Nov 28 19:16:37 <Disconnect> repo upload won't resubmit patches just the new ones since the last upload :(
Nov 28 19:17:22 <jasta> are you trying to just revise a previous submission?  this case is documented as one of the FAQ entries on using repo and git, linked to from source.android.com
Nov 28 19:17:30 <jasta> and they tell you to use git commit --ammend and repo upload
Nov 28 19:18:24 <offby1> jasta: I know, but I'm ever optimistic :-|
Nov 28 19:19:33 <jasta> offby1: i dont know why you would be.  those support guys are no different than plucking some random schmuck off the street and asking him to fix your G1
Nov 28 19:19:47 <offby1> yeah, I know
Nov 28 19:19:50 <offby1> :-|
Nov 28 19:19:53 <jasta> they have no training and not technical background.
Nov 28 19:20:02 <offby1> and don't speak English clearly :-|
Nov 28 19:20:04 <jasta> what help they can give is by sheer luck
Nov 28 19:22:00 * Disconnect was reading 'using repo and git' and such, not the faq :) checking it now
Nov 28 19:22:21 <Disconnect> ok maybe thats cuz the faq isn't linked from the main contributing or using pages :)
Nov 28 19:22:26 <Disconnect> er, :/
Nov 28 19:22:38 <jasta> i meant "using repo and git"
Nov 28 19:24:06 <jasta> though i was wrong, look here:
Nov 28 19:24:10 <jasta> http://source.android.com/submit-patches
Nov 28 19:26:01 <Disconnect> yah its being a royal pita. i think i'm gonna pitch out the local branch and start over - faster
Nov 28 19:27:25 <Disconnect> it assumes you didn't delete the changesets in garrit :/ which i won't do again, but..
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Nov 28 19:48:07 <offby1> hmm, if I were lucky, the spontaneous reboots would come at just the right time to fix the missing-sound problem!
Nov 28 19:48:12 <offby1> that'd be like SO cool.
Nov 28 19:48:13 <offby1> Not.
Nov 28 20:38:04 <Disconnect> wow. have you licked your g1 today? http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=ea92a3c10035ec16c85d21d5c30bc05c (or any other capacitive ts.. they reference iphone of course)
Nov 28 20:42:28 <offby1> ooh, special gloves.
Nov 28 20:42:29 <offby1> Sure.
Nov 28 20:42:34 <KNY> Disconnect, why wouldn't they just use their nose?
Nov 28 20:42:42 <KNY> (if anything)
Nov 28 20:43:33 <offby1> I want a phone that reads my facial expression, and acts accordingly.
Nov 28 20:44:37 <KNY> offby1, well, you've got a G1 and an SDK; get to work
Nov 28 20:51:45 <offby1> :-|
Nov 28 20:51:49 <offby1> but I'm laaaaazy
Nov 28 20:51:54 <offby1> plus the camera's on the back.
Nov 28 21:20:53 <chanwitk> hello
Nov 28 21:27:46 <ttuttle> chanwitk: hi
Nov 28 21:28:07 <chanwitk> hello ttuttle
Nov 28 21:28:39 <chanwitk> i'm looking the way to change G1 screen with logo.rle in the boot.img
Nov 28 21:28:44 <chanwitk> anyone knows the trick ?
Nov 28 21:29:23 <ttuttle> chanwitk: there's a program called to565 that converts a raw 8-bit RGB bitmap to the right format.
Nov 28 21:31:07 <chanwitk> tuttle: right, i've heard about it. someone in xda-dev said that replacing logo.rle did not work.
Nov 28 21:31:29 <Disconnect> which piece are you trying to replace? the android or the "G1"?
Nov 28 21:31:57 <chanwitk> the black and white G1.
Nov 28 21:32:16 <Disconnect> afaik that is part of the bootloader. unreachable from linux.
Nov 28 21:34:54 <fnord_> logo.rle, no?
Nov 28 21:35:10 <Disconnect> isn't logo.rle the color android?
Nov 28 21:35:27 <fnord_> .rle doesn't contain animatiion bits afaik
Nov 28 21:36:03 <mikey|> well, this is getting plain annoying now
Nov 28 21:36:16 <mikey|> been trying to drain this battery for ages, wifi, bluetooth, gps
Nov 28 21:36:21 <mikey|> all on
Nov 28 21:36:38 <mikey|> says something good about htc but i want to drain and recharge it to 100%
Nov 28 21:37:09 <fnord_> mikey|, my new battery stays at 'empty' for a long time
Nov 28 21:37:20 <fnord_> i'm guessing due to training
Nov 28 21:37:37 <fnord_> i hope the 2200mah extended comes out soon
Nov 28 21:39:28 <KNY> is it possible to have Spinners in a ListView? (with Spinners having a different ListAdapter)
Nov 28 21:40:07 <mikey|> "also will it damage the battery just to lick give it a bit of a boost so it dont die during the day"
Nov 28 21:40:10 <mikey|> wait...what?
Nov 28 21:40:39 <unix_infidel> mikey|: heh, i think he means the contact points for the battery.
Nov 28 21:40:51 <unix_infidel> to clear off gunk and such to increase conductivity.
Nov 28 21:40:58 <mikey|> oh
Nov 28 21:41:17 <Delvien> fnord what comes with the G1? 1200mah?
Nov 28 21:42:30 <fnord_> something like that yeah
Nov 28 21:42:50 <fnord_> ok time for work. poof
Nov 28 21:43:52 <KNY> 1150mah
Nov 28 21:44:05 <mikey|> what android package can be used to read battery info?
Nov 28 21:44:37 <Delvien> kny ouch, isnt that a bit low?
Nov 28 21:44:52 <chanwitk1> fnord_: logo.rle is b & w with "T-Mobile G1" word.
Nov 28 21:46:43 <KNY> Delvien, yeah, it's definitely way too small
Nov 28 21:47:20 <Delvien> KNY I would go for 4800mah, i know its possible... but at what cost :p
Nov 28 21:48:05 <mikey|> heh, the camera app lets you focus before taking a shot
Nov 28 21:48:18 <mikey|> half press it and a green dot shows up
Nov 28 21:53:14 <unix_infidel> Delvien: would you rather carry an extra 2400mah batteries or carry a massive iPhone like battery wrapper?
Nov 28 21:54:59 <synalx> i carry a battery pack for my g1
Nov 28 21:56:16 <Delvien> unix_infidel: id rather just have a decentsize battery in the phone and not have to worry about it
Nov 28 21:56:49 <unix_infidel> Delvien: when battery technology catches up i'm sure you will ;-P
Nov 28 21:57:30 <Delvien> unix_infidel: there is no money in batteries, so im sure its never going to
Nov 28 22:01:38 <Delvien> I just spent the last 10 mins of my life tapping the screen to make a drum sound...
Nov 28 22:02:09 <synalx> Delvien: can i have your life so i can put the time to more productive use?
Nov 28 22:02:15 <Delvien> sure
Nov 28 22:02:19 <synalx> yay
Nov 28 22:02:21 <Delvien> maybe you will have better luck than i did
Nov 28 22:12:49 <mmattice> I wouldn't mind a wrapper, especially if it had a wildcharge reciever in it
Nov 28 22:13:16 <Gary|thinkpad> I hate how T-Mobile is basically calling the G1 "theirs"
Nov 28 22:13:27 <Gary|thinkpad> on their website, it's listed under T-Mobile phones, not HTC phones
Nov 28 22:13:37 <mmattice> nobody else is selling the dream, are they?
Nov 28 22:13:54 <Gary|thinkpad> still
Nov 28 22:13:57 <Gary|thinkpad> it's HTCs phone
Nov 28 22:14:04 <Slackwise> HTC has always had their phones rebranded.
Nov 28 22:14:18 <Gary|thinkpad> Dream is the first HTC branded phone too, isn't it?
Nov 28 22:14:19 <Slackwise> And the phones are almost always exclusive per company.
Nov 28 22:14:22 <Delvien> But no other carrier is selling the HTC g1
Nov 28 22:14:33 <Delvien> So it technically is a T-Mobile phone
Nov 28 22:14:36 <Gary|thinkpad> it's still an HTC phone, and should be listed under htc imho.
Nov 28 22:15:03 <Delvien> I never heard of HTC before the G1, its not a known name, which scares people away.
Nov 28 22:15:23 <mmattice> it is a known name in the smartphone arena
Nov 28 22:15:24 <Delvien> It's marketing, nothing to get bent out of shape over
Nov 28 22:15:35 <Slackwise> At least it has the HTC logo on it.
Nov 28 22:15:42 <Slackwise> Most HTC's I've seen don't.
Nov 28 22:16:48 <obra> HTC has only recently been pushing themselves as a consumer brand
Nov 28 22:16:50 <Gary|thinkpad> I call it the dream, htc dream/g1, or g1. never put t-mobile in it.
Nov 28 22:17:18 <obra> It's a fairly major marketing change for them, but they've OEM/ODMed most of the interesting smartphones in the past decade
Nov 28 22:17:19 <Delvien> Why does it matter? I call mine a Monkey
Nov 28 22:17:26 <Delvien> Makes just about as much sense.
Nov 28 22:17:56 <geist> tmobile probably has an exclusivity contract for a bit
Nov 28 22:18:07 <geist> which probably means they can call itt theirs
Nov 28 22:18:10 <geist> until it expires
Nov 28 22:18:32 <geist> plus they have ahabit of renaming stuff they sell
Nov 28 22:18:38 <Delvien> my god, there is still no IRC client for android
Nov 28 22:18:39 <geist> so they can own the name
Nov 28 22:21:42 <mikey|> wow, google have big plans for android: "values returned by the accelerometer in various locations in the universe. "
Nov 28 22:22:08 <Delvien> What does that mean?
Nov 28 22:22:21 <mikey|> no idea
Nov 28 22:22:31 <mikey|> http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/hardware/SensorManager.html#GRAVITY_SUN
Nov 28 22:22:34 <Delvien> any VNC viewer yet?
Nov 28 22:22:41 <mikey|> they also have the other planets there
Nov 28 22:24:41 <mikey|> Delvien: http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc/
Nov 28 22:24:50 <mikey|> written by jasta it seems
Nov 28 22:25:16 <Delvien> mikey|: saw that but doesnt seem to be coming anytime soon :x
Nov 28 22:25:20 <spikebike> so if someone steals your phone and flees to mars it will be able to tell
Nov 28 22:26:21 <Delvien> When can people start charging for Market apps?
Nov 28 22:28:34 <mikey|> "SENSOR_TEMPERATURE", interesting
Nov 28 22:31:55 <Gary|thinkpad> public static final float GRAVITY_DEATH_STAR_I
Nov 28 22:31:57 <Gary|thinkpad> lol
Nov 28 22:41:34 <TiberiumX> Somehow I doubt my G1's accelerometer has the resolution to tell me that I'm on the death star vs. just out in space.
Nov 28 22:42:00 <TiberiumX> GRAVITY_THE_ISLAND?
Nov 28 22:42:10 <mikey|> lol, i would love to know what these mean
Nov 28 22:45:34 <mikey|> :( "Could not enable sensor 16"
Nov 28 22:54:39 <romainguy> mikey|: TiberiumX: Lost, the TV show
Nov 28 22:54:50 <romainguy> the Death Star gravity was annoying to compute :))
Nov 28 22:55:27 <TiberiumX> The island lifts into space so you'd consider it's gravity on its own vs. including the earth's mass?
Nov 28 22:56:09 <TiberiumX> What is sensor 16?
Nov 28 22:56:30 <mikey|> light sensor
Nov 28 22:56:38 <mikey|> no, it was temp sensor
Nov 28 22:56:51 <romainguy> TiberiumX: look at the value, it's the numbers sequence from Lost
Nov 28 22:56:52 <mikey|> arg, no it is the light sensor
Nov 28 22:57:17 <TiberiumX> Ahh, okay.  I didn't watch lost.
Nov 28 22:57:41 <mikey|> this is crazy, why doesnt it find my textview o.o
Nov 28 22:57:45 <mikey|> keeps throwing a null pointer
Nov 28 22:58:09 <TiberiumX> Is it in your resources file?  Have you set that layout as your content view?
Nov 28 22:58:21 <mikey|> yeah, its there, r.id. shows it
Nov 28 22:58:42 <mikey|> its the default textview with an added id and no default text
Nov 28 22:59:11 <TiberiumX> Did you call setContentView(R.layout.whatever)?
Nov 28 22:59:47 <mikey|> ah..lol
Nov 28 23:00:06 <mikey|> i moved it to the bottom while adding my code
Nov 28 23:00:10 <mikey|> and forgot about it
Nov 28 23:00:44 <TiberiumX> Ahh.  I've done that before.
Nov 28 23:06:45 <romainguy> lol
Nov 28 23:06:56 <romainguy> Amazon sells a 1 GB Micro SD card for $0.09
Nov 28 23:12:13 <Gary|thinkpad> not worth the shipping
Nov 28 23:12:14 <Gary|thinkpad> tbh
Nov 28 23:12:29 <romainguy> yes :)
Nov 28 23:14:12 <Damm> depends
Nov 28 23:14:21 <Gary|thinkpad> looks like you're limited to 5
Nov 28 23:14:22 <Damm> if you have a amazon yearly whatever it's free s&h
Nov 28 23:14:35 <Gary|thinkpad> if you could get like 50 for price oe $10 shipping or whatever
Nov 28 23:14:45 <Gary|thinkpad> I'd do that
Nov 28 23:16:43 <dream_kill> re
Nov 28 23:16:47 <dream_kill> anyone awake ?
Nov 28 23:17:00 <dream_kill> not sure if my last messages been sent ok
Nov 28 23:17:15 <ttuttle> Hey, my G1's GPS is giving ridiculous readings. I'm driving to Manchester, NH and it says I'm off Cape Cod in the ocean!
Nov 28 23:17:29 <dream_kill> :D
Nov 28 23:17:40 <dream_kill> nice
Nov 28 23:17:52 <dream_kill> some bugs in the res files from the source
Nov 28 23:17:58 <dream_kill> in IM and Phone app
Nov 28 23:18:21 <dream_kill> in res/values/strings.xml some strings are missing
Nov 28 23:18:24 <dream_kill> for phone:
Nov 28 23:18:35 <dream_kill> newPinLabel
Nov 28 23:18:41 <dream_kill> oldPinLabel
Nov 28 23:18:48 <dream_kill> confirmPinLabel
Nov 28 23:18:55 <dream_kill> puk_requested
Nov 28 23:19:16 <dream_kill> (delete all the other language files and try to recompile and u see the errors)
Nov 28 23:23:27 <romainguy> dream_kill: these values are probably specified in another strings.xml
Nov 28 23:23:37 <romainguy> because they definitely work in English
Nov 28 23:24:27 <dream_kill> yes, in different LANGUAGE
Nov 28 23:24:35 <romainguy> then they're just old unused strings
Nov 28 23:24:47 <dream_kill> then why compiler complain ?
Nov 28 23:24:58 <romainguy> because they are probably used in an unused layout :)
Nov 28 23:25:01 <dream_kill> (delete all the other languages res files)
Nov 28 23:25:09 <dream_kill> and do compile :D
Nov 28 23:27:03 <dream_kill> seems only IM and Phone have this missing
Nov 28 23:27:06 <dream_kill> rest seems ok
Nov 28 23:30:16 <chanwitk1> dream_kill: is that you who knows about replacing the very first G1 logo? I've heard about this from some forum.
Nov 28 23:31:04 <dream_kill> ;)
Nov 28 23:31:41 <chanwitk1> dream_kill: could you tell me how to get the logo replaced?
Nov 28 23:31:51 <dream_kill> with what :P ?
Nov 28 23:33:54 <chanwitk1> :) with a blank image
Nov 28 23:34:27 <dream_kill> u need to be able to flash using NBH file
Nov 28 23:34:48 <dream_kill> as the splash is not in the MTD area u see in the G1 :P
Nov 28 23:35:42 <chanwitk1> wow, you're real :)
Nov 28 23:35:58 <chanwitk1> what's NBH file ?
Nov 28 23:36:16 <dream_kill> update file used by the HBOOT :D
Nov 28 23:36:37 <dream_kill> Hboot .95.000 needs signed files
Nov 28 23:36:59 <dream_kill> so making ur own not easy, unless you patch the hboot to accept unsigned files
Nov 28 23:37:16 <dream_kill> don't ask how as is not done yet
Nov 28 23:38:54 <chanwitk1> something about holding camera button to get into it, right?
Nov 28 23:38:57 <dream_kill> so u for splash screen u need a nbh file with 0006 identifiers (main splash image)
Nov 28 23:39:30 <dream_kill> size 0x4b000
Nov 28 23:40:58 <chanwitk1> i see
Nov 28 23:41:17 <chanwitk1> so i think i can not do it at the moment.
Nov 28 23:41:24 <chanwitk1> a lot of keywords now
Nov 28 23:41:24 <dream_kill> for sure not
Nov 28 23:41:54 <dream_kill> if it helps you i can give u the bin from the g1 logo :D
Nov 28 23:42:00 <dream_kill> so u have a looking point :D
Nov 28 23:42:49 <chanwitk1> cool :)
Nov 28 23:43:14 <chanwitk1> i think i found somewhere mentioned about DREAMING.nbh
Nov 28 23:43:32 <dream_kill> exactly
Nov 28 23:43:54 <dream_kill> this is what the hboot looks for on the sd card
Nov 28 23:44:00 <dream_kill> when in hboot mode
Nov 28 23:44:24 <dream_kill> check the file against the first 0x100 bytes (signature) and if valid, flashes in the handset
Nov 28 23:44:39 <chanwitk1> i see
Nov 28 23:44:53 <dream_kill> so moding the file it will not work as is signed :(
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Nov 28 23:45:33 * dream_kill wants a faster pc for compliling as his takes far to loong :P
Nov 28 23:47:00 <chanwitk1> so you mean, if we're able to sign it again some how we sign update.zip, it's going to work?
Nov 28 23:47:50 <dream_kill> yep
Nov 28 23:48:04 <dream_kill> but this time the keys are in hboot
Nov 28 23:48:22 <dream_kill> so first need to patch the hboot to have the new keys (or no keys check at all)
Nov 28 23:48:28 <dream_kill> and then flash the .nbh
Nov 28 23:48:35 <dream_kill> since first part is not done yet....
Nov 28 23:49:06 <chanwitk1> i see, i got the idea.
Nov 28 23:49:25 <chanwitk1> same way someone's done with recovery image.
Nov 28 23:55:10 <chanwitk1> dream_kill: thanks for your info. looking forward to hear from you about that soon ;-)
Nov 29 00:26:02 <anno^da_> Linux is running now on the iPhone 3G
Nov 29 00:26:29 <Versed> yeah I saw that.
Nov 29 00:26:38 <Versed> http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/62041396/linux-here-we-come
Nov 29 00:27:09 <Versed> did anyone except me get an over the air update today?
Nov 29 00:27:48 * offby1 stares blankly
Nov 29 00:27:56 <offby1> that would be "no"
Nov 29 00:37:35 <obra> Versed: to what version?
Nov 29 00:38:00 <Versed> not sure, I'm new to this myself.  just got it when I was going to the bank today.
Nov 29 00:38:36 <offby1> poke around in the "About Phone" thingy under Settings, and see what version you've got.
Nov 29 00:38:40 <offby1> I think most of us have R30.
Nov 29 00:39:01 <Versed> rc30
Nov 29 00:39:09 <Versed> I was checking as you asked
Nov 29 00:39:21 <offby1> boy, most of us got that weeks ago
Nov 29 00:39:30 <Versed> I just bought the phone tuesday
Nov 29 00:39:36 <offby1> maybe you haven't had the phone on, with data, in a long time?
Nov 29 00:39:49 <Versed> its been on
Nov 29 00:40:08 <Versed> in anycase its done
Nov 29 00:40:35 <offby1> *shrug*
Nov 29 00:40:52 <offby1> maybe they distribute the updates alphabetically, and "Versed" comes late in the alphabet :)
Nov 29 00:41:08 <Versed> who knows
Nov 29 00:41:30 <Versed> well off, catch ya later going out for a beer and cigar
Nov 29 00:41:50 <offby1> hey!
Nov 29 00:41:57 <offby1> don't say that if you aren't going to send us some :-(
Nov 29 00:42:19 <offby1> instead, say something like "going off to accompany my wife while she shops for slipcovers", or something that won't make us envious
Nov 29 00:53:58 <meyou-> is there an android irc client yet?
Nov 29 00:54:55 <elad> yup
Nov 29 00:54:56 <elad>  countercultured.net/ircbeta.apk
Nov 29 01:05:47 <dream_kill> why when using the system.img form the sources i always get the process com.android.phone has stopped unexpectedly.please try again
Nov 29 01:05:55 <dream_kill> and the phone keep reboots ?
Nov 29 01:10:24 <offby1> elad: ooh!  Gotta get that.
Nov 29 01:10:43 <romainguy> dream_kill: what does the log say?
Nov 29 01:11:41 <dream_kill> dmesg doesn't say anything
Nov 29 01:11:48 <romainguy> logcat
Nov 29 01:11:49 <dream_kill> what other log to look at?
Nov 29 01:11:59 <dream_kill> 2 sec
Nov 29 01:12:19 <ionstorm> is it just me or is the latest v1.2 firmware update slow as hell?
Nov 29 01:12:29 <ionstorm> everything seems so much slower on my g1
Nov 29 01:12:32 <romainguy> there's no firmware 1.2
Nov 29 01:12:46 <dream_kill> (he means the xda-devel one :P )
Nov 29 01:12:50 <ionstorm> yea
Nov 29 01:12:56 <off-by-andy> ooh. nicer than emacs/erc/screen
Nov 29 01:12:58 <ionstorm> mod 1.2 RC30
Nov 29 01:14:40 <offby1> OK, I'm giving the countercultured.net guy money
Nov 29 01:16:25 * dream_kill flashing a bootimg too so i get adb so can logcat :D
Nov 29 01:25:53 <bert0> has anyone successfully connected a g1 to an ubuntu box?
Nov 29 01:27:31 <ionstorm> yes
Nov 29 01:27:46 <bert0> figures
Nov 29 01:28:01 <KNY> bert0, yes
Nov 29 01:28:06 <KNY> did you follow the instructions?
Nov 29 01:28:25 <bert0> I haven't been able to get mine to work.  I have tried different cables etc.
Nov 29 01:28:31 <offby1> bert0: "connected" how?  I attach the USB cord to my ubuntu box every day; works fine
Nov 29 01:28:34 <offby1> copy files around etc.
Nov 29 01:28:41 <offby1> it's my _windows_ box that doesn't work.
Nov 29 01:28:59 <bert0> I just want to copy files to it
Nov 29 01:29:16 <bert0> it says that it can't mount it because there is no media
Nov 29 01:30:36 <bert0> Unable to mount location.  No media in the drive.
Nov 29 01:31:33 <dream_kill> romainguy : is so fast the logcat :P
Nov 29 01:32:23 <bert0> KNY are there special instructions for linux or something that I'm missing here?
Nov 29 01:33:35 <offby1> bert0: not that I know of.  I think mine worked fine the first time I tried :-|
Nov 29 01:34:23 <bert0> you just plugged it in, hit mount, and it shows up as a USB drive?
Nov 29 01:35:02 <KNY> bert0, no, there are special instructions
Nov 29 01:35:17 <KNY> http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware
Nov 29 01:37:17 <dream_kill> seems the media provider causes a exeption
Nov 29 01:38:13 <dream_kill> goup 0x40013e28
Nov 29 01:38:38 <Leeds> bert0: stupid question - you *do* have an SD card in the phone, right?
Nov 29 01:38:54 <offby1> an excellent question
Nov 29 01:39:26 <Leeds> the phone itself does not mount - but it exports the SD card as USB mass storage
Nov 29 01:39:29 <offby1> I could imagine someone tearing open the box and not noticing the little SD card in there.
Nov 29 01:40:16 * Leeds pokes bert0 
Nov 29 01:40:44 <bert0> Leeds yes
Nov 29 01:40:48 <offby1> children!  No fighting
Nov 29 01:41:33 <bert0> KNY I did all that and still adb detects no devices
Nov 29 01:41:46 <KNY> bert0, did you restart adb?
Nov 29 01:41:51 <KNY> `adb kill-server`
Nov 29 01:42:07 <Leeds> bert0: are you trying to mount or use adb?  they aren't the same thing
Nov 29 01:42:23 <bert0> either way is fine by me
Nov 29 01:42:31 <KNY> Leeds, if you can't see it with adb, it won't mount
Nov 29 01:42:39 <bert0> KNY it still doesn't detect
Nov 29 01:42:46 <Leeds> KNY: assuming you have the debug over USB option turned on...
Nov 29 01:43:01 <KNY> bert0, what Ubuntu?
Nov 29 01:43:19 <bert0> 8.04 lts
Nov 29 01:43:54 <KNY> you copy and pasted the hardy instructions, right?
Nov 29 01:43:58 <Leeds> bert0: are you plugged in directly or through a hub?  can you verify that other USB devices work when plugged into the same socket? are you using the HTC cable or a different one?
Nov 29 01:44:10 <bert0> I replugged it in and now adb reads HT840GZ17015	offline
Nov 29 01:44:30 <bert0> and it still won't mount, with the same error
Nov 29 01:45:02 <bert0> My thumb drives work in this usb port
Nov 29 01:45:14 <KNY> you're getting an error?
Nov 29 01:45:23 <bert0> yea
Nov 29 01:45:30 <bert0> Unable to mount location.  No media in the drive.
Nov 29 01:46:02 <Leeds> what does dmesg tell you?
Nov 29 01:46:53 <bert0> lots
Nov 29 01:47:07 <Leeds> that's unhelpful
Nov 29 01:47:29 <Leeds> what does dmesg tell you about USB devices being plugged in?
Nov 29 01:47:39 <bert0> well what specifically do you want?  The last line or all 10 pages
Nov 29 01:48:00 <Leeds> take a guess
Nov 29 01:48:25 <KNY> lsusb ?
Nov 29 01:49:38 <bert0> Bus 002 Device 010: ID 0bb4:0c02 High Tech Computer Corp.
Nov 29 01:49:50 <KNY> hmm
Nov 29 01:49:53 <KNY> mount -a?
Nov 29 01:50:44 <bert0> I still get the same error after mount -a
Nov 29 01:51:51 <infernix> bert0: disconnect the phone. wait 10 seconds. connect the phone. select mout on the phone. then paste the output of "dmesg | tail -50" in a pastebin
Nov 29 01:53:14 <Leeds> morning loke_
Nov 29 01:53:42 <bert0> http://pastebin.com/d268e3362
Nov 29 01:56:07 <dream_kill> what is the max size for system.img :P ?
Nov 29 01:56:31 <romainguy___> you don't want to go over 64 MB :)
Nov 29 01:57:17 <dream_kill> 70637952
Nov 29 01:57:42 <romainguy___> the eng builds can go a little higher
Nov 29 01:58:00 <romainguy___> but for the retail build, we fail the build if it goes over 60 MB
Nov 29 01:58:11 <dream_kill> k:P
Nov 29 01:58:49 <dream_kill> seems the crashes are from the ***provider.apk
Nov 29 01:59:27 <bert0> are there any known sd cards that won't work with the g1?
Nov 29 01:59:56 <Disconnect> full sized ones
Nov 29 02:00:01 <bert0> lol
Nov 29 02:00:50 <KNY> is it possible to have Spinners in a ListView? (with the Spinners having a different ListAdapter)
Nov 29 02:00:54 <romainguy___> yes
Nov 29 02:01:09 <bert0> It should be able to read a sandisk microSDHC 4gb card right?
Nov 29 02:01:21 <romainguy___> bert0: if it's formatted correctly yes
Nov 29 02:01:29 <KNY> romainguy, I get an exception (give me a second, I'll get it)
Nov 29 02:01:53 <bert0> it should be formatted correctly if I just got it from the store right?
Nov 29 02:01:58 <Disconnect> maybe
Nov 29 02:01:59 <romainguy___> no diea
Nov 29 02:02:00 <romainguy___> idea
Nov 29 02:02:06 <romainguy___> try to format it in FAT32 again
Nov 29 02:02:08 <romainguy___> see if it helps
Nov 29 02:03:04 <bert0> I would but I don't have a way to read it without my G1 which won't mount
Nov 29 02:03:13 <KNY> romainguy, java.lang.IllegalStateException: android.widget.Spinner is not a  view that can be bounds by this SimpleAdapter
Nov 29 02:03:32 <KNY> (ps, there's a bug that needs fixing :))
Nov 29 02:03:42 <romainguy___> KNY: the exception is pretty explicit, SimpleAdapter doesn't know how to bind to a Spinner
Nov 29 02:03:46 <romainguy___> it is certainly not a bug
Nov 29 02:03:51 <romainguy___> either use SimpleAdapter's ViewBinder
Nov 29 02:03:55 <romainguy___> or use your own Adapter
Nov 29 02:04:06 <KNY> romainguy, I meant the typo in the message was a "bug"
Nov 29 02:04:31 <romainguy___> ah
Nov 29 02:06:18 <KNY> romainguy___, do you mean that I can't have a Spinner in a ListView that's built from a SimpleAdapter, or a SimpleAdapter populate a Spinner?
Nov 29 02:06:34 <romainguy___> a SimpleAdapter can populate a Spinner
Nov 29 02:06:47 <romainguy___> and a SimpleAdapter can create Spinners, if you use a ViewBinder
Nov 29 02:07:16 <romainguy___> SimpleAdapter is, as its name suggests, simple
Nov 29 02:07:23 <romainguy___> it knows about ImageView and TextView by default and that's it
Nov 29 02:07:35 <romainguy___> if you want something fancier, use a ViewBinder or make your own adapter
Nov 29 02:07:36 <KNY> that's what I have. I have a SimpleAdapter.ViewBinder that I was going to use to populate the spinner with the SimpleCursorAdapter, but I get the exception before that
Nov 29 02:08:51 <romainguy> because your ViewBinder is not implemented correctly
Nov 29 02:09:00 <romainguy> you have to return true
Nov 29 02:09:20 <KNY> okay, I'll see what I can do
Nov 29 02:09:24 <KNY> and whoa, you changed nicks
Nov 29 02:09:27 <KNY> magic.
Nov 29 02:09:40 <romainguy> it's a powerful spell called a KVM :p
Nov 29 02:09:50 <KNY> haha
Nov 29 02:10:12 <dream_kill> romainguy: the mtd partitions are defined in the kernel or stored in the nand flash ?
Nov 29 02:10:24 <romainguy___> no idea
Nov 29 02:10:35 <dream_kill> (the alocation for mtd partitions)
Nov 29 02:10:38 <dream_kill> k
Nov 29 02:10:47 <dream_kill> i wanted to make system bigger
Nov 29 02:10:51 <dream_kill> and userdata smaller :DS
Nov 29 02:11:14 <romainguy___> what are you putting on system?
Nov 29 02:11:24 <romainguy___> I mean, why do you need to make it bigger?
Nov 29 02:11:59 <dream_kill> uff, now system.img from sources worked
Nov 29 02:12:04 <dream_kill> but NO bluetooth :(
Nov 29 02:13:50 <dream_kill> i love the camera :D
Nov 29 02:14:00 <dream_kill> can play chess :D
Nov 29 02:14:10 <dream_kill> (no image from camera)
Nov 29 02:15:11 <romainguy___> <sigh> iTunes
Nov 29 02:15:34 <KNY> I hate iTunes
Nov 29 02:15:37 <romainguy___> I like it
Nov 29 02:15:47 <SystemWizard> why the iTunes hate?
Nov 29 02:15:48 <romainguy___> but I just exported my Library to open it on another computer
Nov 29 02:15:55 <romainguy___> it's an XML file that contains 108,000 lines
Nov 29 02:16:19 <KNY> SystemWizard, it's the biggest pile of crap ever, at least on Windows
Nov 29 02:16:19 <ionstorm> shit, the iphone got a .torrent client
Nov 29 02:16:28 <ionstorm> lol
Nov 29 02:16:41 <ionstorm> i wonder how the g1 would handle bittorrent
Nov 29 02:16:44 <SystemWizard> KNY: fair enough..  on the Mac it's pretty decent..
Nov 29 02:17:43 <KNY> SystemWizard, can't watch folders, doesn't detect duplicates automatically, only mac/windows, required for iTouch use, bloated as hell, etc
Nov 29 02:18:40 <SystemWizard> yea yea yea...  I suppose that's all correct.. but I've tried other ipod managers (anapod comes to mind right away) and eventually they all trashed my iPod database
Nov 29 02:19:59 <KNY> right, which is another beef I have with Apple :)
Nov 29 02:20:11 <KNY> why should I need an "iPod manager"?
Nov 29 02:20:13 * KNY signs
Nov 29 02:20:16 * KNY sighs, too
Nov 29 02:21:49 <SystemWizard> yea that's my single peeve with the the ipod
Nov 29 02:21:58 <SystemWizard> I can't just copy files to it and call it good..
Nov 29 02:22:07 <SystemWizard> but if I have to deal with that, I'll use iTunes..
Nov 29 02:22:17 <bert0> that's my beef with the g1
Nov 29 02:22:21 <KNY> haha
Nov 29 02:22:28 <KNY> you're a fringe case, bert0
Nov 29 02:22:38 <bert0> I know it sucks
Nov 29 02:22:44 <SystemWizard> all of the other windows and mac 'managers' for the iPod will eventuall trash the iPod database
Nov 29 02:22:57 <KNY> so will iTunes
Nov 29 02:23:02 <KNY> just try switching computers some time
Nov 29 02:23:09 <bert0> Even winmo could mount an sd card to my ubuntu computer
Nov 29 02:23:19 <KNY> or, heaven forbid, reinstall your OS
Nov 29 02:23:19 <SystemWizard> i did..
Nov 29 02:23:24 <SystemWizard> oh
Nov 29 02:23:30 <SystemWizard> you're talking about auto-sync, right?
Nov 29 02:23:41 <KNY> no, it forces you to delete your music first
Nov 29 02:23:52 <KNY> at least with the iTouch it does
Nov 29 02:24:12 <KNY> I think there's some way to export it or release it or something, but that doesn't help much if your HDD dies
Nov 29 02:25:14 <SystemWizard> I haven't had that problem
Nov 29 02:25:42 <KNY> I now have a WinXP virtualbox image just for iTunes
Nov 29 02:26:05 <KNY> but I have to patch my linux kernel to get iTouch/iPhone & iTunes support
Nov 29 02:26:23 <KNY> but yeah, that's a quick summary of why I hate iTunes. Glad you asked?
Nov 29 02:27:11 <SystemWizard> meh.. I've heard that before...
Nov 29 02:27:41 <SystemWizard> so it's fine..
Nov 29 02:30:07 <SystemWizard> but I've never had any instance of itunes (where I turn out the option to manage the devices myself) take songs back off of an iPod or an iPod Touch..
Nov 29 02:33:01 <KNY> romainguy, I got that Spinner to work a while ago, by the way
Nov 29 02:33:04 <KNY> thanks
Nov 29 02:33:57 <SystemWizard> spinner?  do tell...
Nov 29 02:40:14 <KNY> SystemWizard, original question: is it possible to have Spinners in a ListView? (with the Spinners having a different ListAdapter)
Nov 29 02:53:53 <sparkle> ionstorm: the python bt client works pretty well on the g1
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