**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 01 02:59:58 2008
Dec 01 03:00:51 <TiberiumX> Wow, same blinking and shittily-dithered GIF images.
Dec 01 03:01:03 <TiberiumX> It's like I'm back in the late 90s.
Dec 01 03:01:49 <_avatar> yeah, it's awful. if i need something i'll typically get it from a 3rd party reseller
Dec 01 03:02:05 <_avatar> e.g. www.smarthome.com
Dec 01 03:02:32 <_avatar> i don't buy a lot of stuff though, i mainly do this because i rent a house that doesn't have overhead lighting in all the rooms
Dec 01 03:02:50 <_avatar> its nice to be able to flip a lamp on in the middle of the night without having to bumble through a dark room
Dec 01 03:05:20 <KNY> ouch, my G1 just hit my billing statement. That's a bit higher than last month... :)
Dec 01 03:05:34 <d03boy> $400
Dec 01 03:05:34 <TiberiumX> You don't do it mainly because it's fun and cool?
Dec 01 03:05:50 <KNY> d03boy, $503.83 is the grand total
Dec 01 03:06:02 <d03boy> how is that even possible?
Dec 01 03:06:08 <KNY> let me see
Dec 01 03:06:27 <_avatar> TiberiumX: well, that too. turning lights in your house on and off with your phone seems pretty cool to me
Dec 01 03:06:31 <KNY> d03boy, oh wait, I mis-read. It's $509.66 :)
Dec 01 03:06:50 <TiberiumX> You can have the phone purchase on your billing statement?  You have five people with separate unlimited-everything plans?
Dec 01 03:06:59 <KNY> (don't ask how I misread that. It's been a long day)
Dec 01 03:07:14 <KNY> TiberiumX, yeah, they just stuck it on my bill instead of charging me in-store.
Dec 01 03:08:02 <KNY> d03boy, $68.08 for monthly recurring charges, $433.59 for the G1, $0.86 for Other Charges, and $7.13 for taxes
Dec 01 03:08:57 <DarkriftX> wow
Dec 01 03:08:58 <d03boy> hmm
Dec 01 03:09:08 <DarkriftX> i bought mine out of contract and i got it for $375
Dec 01 03:09:15 <Leeds> that $433.59 is phone+tax?
Dec 01 03:09:44 <KNY> DarkriftX, how?
Dec 01 03:09:46 <DarkriftX> someone ripped you off :S
Dec 01 03:09:53 <DarkriftX> i went to walmart, paid and walked out :S
Dec 01 03:09:58 <KNY> Leeds, yes, and shipping which they refunded
Dec 01 03:10:09 <DarkriftX> i did that monthly plan that isnt contractual
Dec 01 03:10:19 <KNY> DarkriftX, ah. I don't believe wal-mart had them on launch day, did they?
Dec 01 03:10:21 <DarkriftX> almost like prepaid, but not exactly
Dec 01 03:10:24 <KNY> DarkriftX, yeah, mine is out of contract
Dec 01 03:10:32 <DarkriftX> no KNY but still, thats expensive
Dec 01 03:10:52 <KNY> well, $20 of that was refunded so it was "only" $413 and change
Dec 01 03:10:53 <DarkriftX> walmart is only like $19 cheaper than tmo is
Dec 01 03:11:05 <Leeds> DarkriftX: +/- tax?
Dec 01 03:11:15 <DarkriftX> ??
Dec 01 03:11:41 <KNY> he's asking if $375 includes tax, I believe
Dec 01 03:11:50 <Leeds> sorry, just trying to work out what the *actual retail price* is - in HK there's no sales tax, and consumer prices are always quoted tax-inclusive in the UK
Dec 01 03:11:53 <DarkriftX> maybe not
Dec 01 03:12:15 <DarkriftX> but my phone, taxes, first months bill all came to $450
Dec 01 03:12:28 <DarkriftX> and its $69/mo
Dec 01 03:12:47 <Leeds> but that's with no contract commitment?
Dec 01 03:12:51 <DarkriftX> yes
Dec 01 03:13:20 <DarkriftX> well, 1mo contract i guess
Dec 01 03:13:25 <Leeds> I paid quite a lot more than that... :-/
Dec 01 03:13:36 <DarkriftX> you cant buy the phone without service, so minimum 1mo
Dec 01 03:15:27 <elad> my first month is gonna be 135$
Dec 01 03:15:35 <elad> i pay 85/m
Dec 01 03:20:13 <Leeds> I pay around $15/m
Dec 01 03:21:51 <DarkriftX> i wish there was a way for gps to turn on every few minutes to get a location, then turn back off (unless you have it on for navigation)
Dec 01 03:22:49 <KNY> DarkriftX, couldn't you start a service to do that?
Dec 01 03:22:56 <DarkriftX> no idea :S
Dec 01 03:23:02 <KNY> I'm pretty sure you can
Dec 01 03:23:54 <TiberiumX> It takes it a few minutes just to get a signal and figure out where you are.
Dec 01 03:24:21 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: That's how it works if you have a fix and your app only asked for updates every minute or so.
Dec 01 03:24:43 <DarkriftX> nice
Dec 01 03:24:48 <DarkriftX> so turning gps on isnt needed?
Dec 01 03:25:01 <DarkriftX> i want my apps to be able to get a fix, but not have gps on 24/7
Dec 01 03:25:19 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Hrm.
Dec 01 03:25:37 <Leeds> if you're using GPS, there's no way the battery will last for 24, never mind 7 :-P
Dec 01 03:26:11 <jbq> Leeds: heh
Dec 01 03:26:13 <some-other-choop> it would be nice though if you could have a GPS request service that just enables GPS, gets the fix, and disables it again
Dec 01 03:26:22 <DarkriftX> exactly
Dec 01 03:26:32 <Damm> Leeds, i leave GPS on and my battery lasts 36hours
Dec 01 03:26:40 <Fnordg1> cpu scaling needs fixing
Dec 01 03:26:42 <Leeds> Damm: and GSM/UMTS?
Dec 01 03:26:50 <Damm> GPS is enabled, however it is not active
Dec 01 03:26:59 <Damm> (ie I don't leave Maps open 24/7)
Dec 01 03:27:02 <Fnordg1> damm; wtf
Dec 01 03:27:03 <Damm> Leeds, yes UMTS
Dec 01 03:27:22 <Damm> I charged my phone last Friday Morning
Dec 01 03:27:23 <KNY> Damm, stock battery?
Dec 01 03:27:28 <Leeds> ah, so enabled, but not 'using'
Dec 01 03:27:29 <Damm> it's been going since Friday 12pm till now
Dec 01 03:27:30 <Fnordg1> 36h? do you use the phone?
Dec 01 03:27:36 <Damm> Fnordg1, sort of
Dec 01 03:27:42 <Damm> email, texts
Dec 01 03:27:45 <Damm> rare phone call
Dec 01 03:28:03 <KNY> share your secrets, o wise one.
Dec 01 03:28:05 <Damm> I always beat the standby times... my Sony Ericsson Z750a has a standby time of 3-5days
Dec 01 03:28:09 <Damm> it lasts 7days with me
Dec 01 03:28:17 <Fnordg1> oh that explains it
Dec 01 03:28:22 <Leeds> *very* strong signal?
Dec 01 03:28:24 <DarkriftX> i dont use phone much either
Dec 01 03:28:26 <Damm> Leeds, yep
Dec 01 03:28:31 <Damm> 5 bars usually
Dec 01 03:28:34 <DarkriftX> so, i can leave my gps on then?
Dec 01 03:28:35 <Leeds> you have a cell on top of your house? ;-)
Dec 01 03:28:39 <Damm> DarkriftX, yep
Dec 01 03:28:44 <Damm> Leeds, no, 2blocks away
Dec 01 03:29:10 <Fnordg1> DarkriftX: dont leave maps runnning
Dec 01 03:29:21 <Damm> if the screen is off, the gps is off
Dec 01 03:29:27 <Damm> same thing with wifi
Dec 01 03:29:30 <Leeds> we have one directly outside the office window - depending on which side of the office I'm on, it can be literally line-of-sight with no physical blockage at all, about 5m away
Dec 01 03:29:38 <Damm> use it for what you need, and then press the hangup button
Dec 01 03:29:38 <DarkriftX> nice
Dec 01 03:29:42 <Damm> I never let the screen stay active
Dec 01 03:29:49 <Damm> however wifi will suckup juice
Dec 01 03:29:54 <Damm> gps won't
Dec 01 03:30:21 <Fnordg1> i hear 3g lcation does
Dec 01 03:30:39 <Damm> 3g location? wtf is that?
Dec 01 03:30:50 <Damm> you either have GPS or you have A-GPS (Tower based GPS)
Dec 01 03:30:54 <Damm> there is no 3rd choice
Dec 01 03:32:06 <Fnordg1> 'use ireless networks'
Dec 01 03:33:38 <zart> anyone experienced with sqlite databases on the android?
Dec 01 03:34:02 <KNY> zart, why not just ask your question?
Dec 01 03:34:07 <KNY> instead of asking meta-questions :)
Dec 01 03:34:11 <zart> hah - sure :)
Dec 01 03:34:13 <DarkriftX> damn, either locale is buggy, or i didnt set it right
Dec 01 03:34:19 <zart> nice meta-answer btw
Dec 01 03:34:27 * KNY bows
Dec 01 03:34:38 <DarkriftX> i have it set to turn on wifi when im at home, and wifi off when i leave, but it keeps going back and forth from home to default
Dec 01 03:35:12 <zart> any idea why, db = this.openOrCreateDatabase(dbName, MODE_WORLD_WRITEABLE, null); might throw a nullpointerexception ?
Dec 01 03:36:23 <KNY> what does "this" extend?
Dec 01 03:36:51 <TiberiumX> Should flags be 0 instead of null?
Dec 01 03:37:18 <offby1> flags should be at half-mast
Dec 01 03:37:19 <TiberiumX> Or does null in that integer context evaluate to 0?
Dec 01 03:37:30 <Leeds> out of interest, does anyone know if an app could get notified (a broadcast intent?) when an alarm fires?  As in, "wake up!"
Dec 01 03:38:01 <zart> this extends to a Context
Dec 01 03:38:39 <jbq> Leeds: see AlarmManager
Dec 01 03:38:42 <TiberiumX> Like with AlarmManager?
Dec 01 03:38:50 <Leeds> jbq: thanks
Dec 01 03:38:56 <Leeds> also TiberiumX :-)
Dec 01 03:39:10 <jbq> Oh, wait, did you mean, when the *Alarm Clock* fires?
Dec 01 03:39:10 <neerhaj> zart, dbName has a value right ?
Dec 01 03:39:39 <TiberiumX> I was wondering how I was going to do something at a certain interval without leaving a service clogging up memory, and stumbled on that one.
Dec 01 03:39:56 <zart> dbName does have a value, yes
Dec 01 03:40:11 <Leeds> jbq: yes...
Dec 01 03:40:20 <jbq> Leeds: I don't think that's possible.
Dec 01 03:40:47 <jbq> Well, I mean, I don't think that the alarm clock fires an intent when it triggers.
Dec 01 03:41:21 <Leeds> yeah, didn't think it would... was hoping I might be able to hook something up for "bring backlight up to daytime setting when you get up in the morning"
Dec 01 03:41:57 <TiberiumX> You can use an absolute time with the AlarmManager.
Dec 01 03:42:00 <Leeds> *without* having to manually set another alarm
Dec 01 03:42:24 <Leeds> i.e. if I change my morning alarm call to 8am from 7:30, the backlight change happens at 8 without any other changes
Dec 01 03:42:28 <Leeds> anyway, just an idle thought
Dec 01 03:43:02 <jbq> Might be less work to actual code that in the system than to try to put together an app that tries to do this.
Dec 01 03:43:21 <TiberiumX> Anyone know how I'd make a listview with one custom list item at the top, but otherwise associated with a cursor?
Dec 01 03:43:32 <Leeds> true, but I suspect I've got more chance of releasing an app to do it than getting such a change into the platform :-)
Dec 01 03:43:35 <DarkriftX> i hear lots of complaints, but i dont see much wrong with the g1
Dec 01 03:43:42 <zart> hmmm well i got a new error to get thrown, not a nullpointer though
Dec 01 03:43:46 <DarkriftX> my only complaints are with the lack of software, and i know that will get better
Dec 01 03:44:00 <DarkriftX> already there is tons of apps for this thing
Dec 01 03:44:18 <TiberiumX> Well, and there are little features missing that should be there, like saving locations in Maps.
Dec 01 03:44:30 <Leeds> DarkriftX: only negatives I would say about the hardware: the battery ain't great, it's a bit bulky, and there is an issue with the backlighting on the silver keyboard
Dec 01 03:44:33 <KNY> just an idle question, but is there a way to add events to the calendar from another app?
Dec 01 03:44:34 <Lieutenant> all the iphone apps look pleasing to the eye, g1 apps.... not so much.
Dec 01 03:44:38 <TiberiumX> But I love the interface.  Way better than any other phone I've used. The Notification manager is a great idea.
Dec 01 03:44:53 <DarkriftX> battery i dont knwo about yet, but bulky? i think its too small
Dec 01 03:45:13 <KNY> I like the hardware. I have fairly ape-ish hands and it fits them well
Dec 01 03:45:24 <SystemWizard> yea my silver keyboard drives me nuts
Dec 01 03:45:28 <Lieutenant> pix or it didn't happen
Dec 01 03:45:35 <DarkriftX> someone told me not to get bronze due to the kb lighting
Dec 01 03:45:37 <TiberiumX> Silver keyboard?
Dec 01 03:45:40 <KNY> yeah, do you have pics of the silver keyboard? I have black and I love it
Dec 01 03:45:47 <SystemWizard> yea the bronze model has a silver keyboard
Dec 01 03:45:54 <jbq> I definitely prefer black for that exact reason.
Dec 01 03:46:02 <TiberiumX> Ahh
Dec 01 03:46:08 <DarkriftX> the silver kb looked great, but someone said it looks like crap with backlights on
Dec 01 03:46:09 <SystemWizard> i didn't have a choice on model
Dec 01 03:46:15 <Leeds> I didn't have much of a choice in colour - and to be honest, I do like the brown/bronze
Dec 01 03:46:35 <SystemWizard> er.. yea I should say choice on color..
Dec 01 03:46:52 <Leeds> the previous phone I traded in for the G1 was also brown
Dec 01 03:47:09 <jbq> There's a level of ambient light (which happens to be exactly the level at my desk at work) where the backlight on the non-black keyboards makes the key markings exactly invisible.
Dec 01 03:47:19 <SystemWizard> same with me
Dec 01 03:47:42 <SystemWizard> I can see the key markings via backlight only if the lights are completely out
Dec 01 03:47:55 <Leeds> jbq: fixed in 1.1? ;-)
Dec 01 03:48:53 <DarkriftX> so, the question is, can locale (and does it) check your location every x minutes to check your location out?
Dec 01 03:48:54 <jbq> Leeds: fixed in the release scheduled for Q1 (soft keyboard) ;-)
Dec 01 03:49:03 <TiberiumX> Ahh, looks like addHeaderView and addFooterView would do it.  Guess I should have taken a look at the docs first.
Dec 01 03:49:05 <DarkriftX> or is that only if you have something causing the gps to be active
Dec 01 03:49:09 <Leeds> good answer :-)
Dec 01 03:49:26 <KNY> jbq, is that a serious answer (about the soft keyboard)?
Dec 01 03:50:01 <DarkriftX> i heard someone says the soft kb was really nice
Dec 01 03:50:02 <jbq> KNY: there's a soft keyboard on the platform roadmap, scheduled for Q1.
Dec 01 03:50:18 <TiberiumX> Really?  That'll be awesome.
Dec 01 03:50:22 <DarkriftX> that it was supposedly better than the iphone (which ive never used, so no way to judge)
Dec 01 03:50:25 <KNY> nice. I'll be interested to see how that behaves under varying conditions
Dec 01 03:50:41 <Leeds> it'll be nice to type without flipping open
Dec 01 03:51:07 <KNY> one thing that the iPhone smokes the G1 in is auto-correction when typintg
Dec 01 03:51:12 <KNY> (like that ;))
Dec 01 03:51:25 <KNY> even OpenMoko is way better
Dec 01 03:51:53 <jbq> I have no visibility over the G1 roadmap, I only see what's going on at the platform level, don't assume that anything in the platform will end up in the G1.
Dec 01 03:51:54 <TiberiumX> Haha, it's so tough to hit the right keys without a real keyboard that you NEED autocorrection.
Dec 01 03:52:14 <Leeds> just so y'all know... it's well into December where I am, and I'm listening to streaming Christmas music :-D
Dec 01 03:52:32 <ttuttle> Leeds: *gag*
Dec 01 03:52:40 <TiberiumX> Christmas music got old for me a looong time ago.
Dec 01 03:52:53 <Leeds> I'm not Christian, I don't celebrate Christmas - but I like the music...
Dec 01 03:53:15 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 03:53:29 <KNY> haha
Dec 01 03:53:31 <TiberiumX> You're in HK right?  Maybe you aren't hit with it every year of your life.
Dec 01 03:53:33 <ttuttle> augh
Dec 01 03:53:47 <KNY> I was sick of Christmas music when the stores started playing in in August or so
Dec 01 03:54:41 <Leeds> oh yes I am - plenty of christmas stuff here, all the buildings are lit up, all the malls are decorated and playing the tunes
Dec 01 03:55:04 <Leeds> it's the next holiday after halloween :-)
Dec 01 03:55:42 <KNY> I just had an American moment where I thought to myself "... no Thanksgiving?"
Dec 01 03:55:48 <KNY> d'oh
Dec 01 03:56:37 <Leeds> no, no Thanksgiving, but the 'NY deli' I go to for lunch quite often had turket and stuffing on last week... they also had an election chart running, Plain John McCain Pizza vs. Obamacaroni Cheese
Dec 01 03:56:56 <KNY> haha
Dec 01 03:57:05 <Leeds> the pizza won...
Dec 01 04:03:39 <DarkriftX> andnav is nice
Dec 01 04:03:59 <DarkriftX> i like how it shows me walking around my backyard (pitch black, i used gps to navigate lol)
Dec 01 04:04:17 <DarkriftX> and its off by about 4 foot, so i almost ran into a tree
Dec 01 04:04:57 <Disconnect> DarkriftX: you know gps is - at best - 3 meters off (~9 feet) right?
Dec 01 04:05:02 <DarkriftX> yes
Dec 01 04:05:12 <Disconnect> so only 4 feet is pretty good
Dec 01 04:05:16 <DarkriftX> i know
Dec 01 04:05:28 <DarkriftX> which is why i had my free hand out in front of me
Dec 01 04:05:43 <DarkriftX> even if it wasnt pitch black, the light from the screen would have night blinded me
Dec 01 04:05:45 <TiberiumX> Well, it could be a combination of errors.  You're also assuming that the map is perfectly aligned with the GPS coordinates.
Dec 01 04:05:56 <Disconnect> yah. minimum bright is still spotlightish
Dec 01 04:06:08 <Disconnect> the only time i ever turn it up (including bright daylight) is to show photos
Dec 01 04:06:16 <DarkriftX> 4ft is damned good and nothing to complain about :)
Dec 01 04:06:23 <Disconnect> not ones taken on the phone of course. it doesn't take brightness to read blurry stripes :)
Dec 01 04:06:31 <DarkriftX> as long as you arent using it to navigate a deadly obstacle course
Dec 01 04:08:36 <DarkriftX> i need to figure out a sh script to "restart" debian after a reboot
Dec 01 04:08:57 <Fnordg1> ok wtf i search for "bluetooth tape adaptor" and the search magically became best buy
Dec 01 04:09:07 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 04:09:20 <Fnordg1> seriously wtf
Dec 01 04:10:05 <DarkriftX> mine didnt do that :s
Dec 01 04:11:07 <Fnordg1> it stoppedi did NOT type best buy or click on a link
Dec 01 04:11:47 <DarkriftX> anyone here use that beta irc app from nyt?
Dec 01 04:12:00 <DarkriftX> i need to know if and how you can enter a channel password on the auto connect
Dec 01 04:12:31 <Fnordg1> where can i get it?
Dec 01 04:12:50 <DarkriftX> hrmmmm
Dec 01 04:12:55 <DarkriftX> good question
Dec 01 04:13:10 <DarkriftX> d03boy gave me the link
Dec 01 04:13:21 <Fnordg1> logged?
Dec 01 04:13:27 <DarkriftX> im sure it is
Dec 01 04:13:30 <DarkriftX> look for /irc/
Dec 01 04:13:58 <TiberiumX> This is the one that'll expire in two weeks?  Bah.
Dec 01 04:14:02 <DarkriftX> yeah
Dec 01 04:14:06 <DarkriftX> but its not that bad
Dec 01 04:14:25 <Fnordg1> oh, screw thatt then :p
Dec 01 04:14:36 <droidrift> lol
Dec 01 04:14:58 <Disconnect> i'd be more interested if it stayed on wifi for more than 10-15 seconds.
Dec 01 04:15:15 <droidrift> its actually pretty good
Dec 01 04:15:41 <Fnordg1> not if it expires
Dec 01 04:16:15 <DarkriftX> its beta
Dec 01 04:16:25 <DarkriftX> and he is probably going to charge for it
Dec 01 04:16:36 <DarkriftX> but till another one comes out, it works
Dec 01 04:17:39 <Fnordg1> exactly . if he does that for paid sw no thanks
Dec 01 04:17:47 <Gary|tp> When my house is in range, it does the magic HTTP request to my garage door opener’s webserver (HMAC-signed timestamped URL, for non-replayability/forgeability if sniffed) and my garage door opens.
Dec 01 04:17:49 <Gary|tp> haha what
Dec 01 04:18:08 <Disconnect> Fnordg1: better chuck out the g1 then. bootloader, radio firmware/OS, etc...
Dec 01 04:18:26 <Fnordg1> monthy fees for sw, nyet.
Dec 01 04:18:43 <Disconnect> who said monthly? crazy person.
Dec 01 04:18:55 <DarkriftX> no, you misread
Dec 01 04:18:57 <DarkriftX> this is beta
Dec 01 04:19:02 <DarkriftX> it expires in a few weeks
Dec 01 04:19:09 <DarkriftX> he is probably going to make a paid version
Dec 01 04:19:14 <Fnordg1> i've been hit with that before :p
Dec 01 04:19:17 <Gary|tp> I'm wondering how and/or why he rigged up a web server to his garage door opener
Dec 01 04:19:21 <DarkriftX> doesnt want everyone just using his beta when he is charging
Dec 01 04:19:25 <Gary|tp> I'd assume it wouldn't be worth the power to keep the server on
Dec 01 04:19:39 <droidrift> irc
Dec 01 04:19:44 <Fnordg1> if its 1 time and no drm and good enough/ sure
Dec 01 04:19:47 <Gary|tp> the fact he's charging for an IRC app is pretty bs
Dec 01 04:19:49 <droidrift> without ssh or mibbit
Dec 01 04:19:52 <Gary|tp> ssh + irssi go
Dec 01 04:20:06 <droidrift> oops, wrong chan
Dec 01 04:20:07 <Gary|tp> I've got the beta apk somewhere
Dec 01 04:20:12 <Fnordg1> Gary|tp: agreeing, from irssi
Dec 01 04:20:27 <TiberiumX> I think you're missing the point:  It's fun to build and cool to have your garage door open to your phone.  Not practical.
Dec 01 04:20:32 <zart> why not just patch the apk? ;)
Dec 01 04:20:49 <Fnordg1> TiberiumX: until your remote dies.
Dec 01 04:21:20 <DarkriftX> lol, here goes the first android pirating
Dec 01 04:21:23 <Fnordg1> TiberiumX: i could see auto open with gpsbeing good. but.....crappy battery
Dec 01 04:21:37 <zart> darkrift - first? there are already apps floating around
Dec 01 04:21:42 <zart> a keygen or two i've seen
Dec 01 04:21:50 <TiberiumX> Haha
Dec 01 04:21:50 <Disconnect> auto-open with gps? "wait don't go in there, you'e gonna open the garage door again!"
Dec 01 04:21:59 <Fnordg1> there is paid sw?
Dec 01 04:22:05 <Fnordg1> lol
Dec 01 04:22:07 <TiberiumX> I was thinking that it probably wouldn't be too tough to disable that expire time.
Dec 01 04:22:08 <Gary|tp> DarkriftX: there's already cracked programs
Dec 01 04:22:14 <Gary|tp> FireWallet has a keygen out there
Dec 01 04:22:14 <DarkriftX> zart i was joking, but really?
Dec 01 04:22:16 <DarkriftX> wow
Dec 01 04:22:26 <_zippy> darkriftX: yeaapp
Dec 01 04:22:31 <_zippy> gary is right
Dec 01 04:22:39 <_zippy> most of the protections are... pretty moot
Dec 01 04:22:48 <KNY> I'd be honored if someone cared enough about my app to crack it
Dec 01 04:22:54 <Gary|tp> my FTP server is done or I'd share :/
Dec 01 04:22:54 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 04:22:56 <_zippy> lol whats your app?
Dec 01 04:22:59 <_zippy> i'll request it!
Dec 01 04:23:01 <_zippy> haha
Dec 01 04:23:15 <KNY> _zippy, they're free/OSS ;)
Dec 01 04:23:20 <KNY> feel free to crack away
Dec 01 04:23:24 <_zippy> i know one of the keygenners, i was just using his handle actually :D
Dec 01 04:23:24 <TiberiumX> I'd be a little annoyed having to pay for something that's been done 100 times in an open source context, like an IRC client.
Dec 01 04:23:38 <_zippy> besides - it's not to pirate it, it's to... well, have the fun of reversing it
Dec 01 04:23:40 <KNY> TiberiumX, yeah, I'd never pay for an IRC client
Dec 01 04:23:49 <_zippy> android is oldschool deadlistings only *laugh*
Dec 01 04:23:56 <Disconnect> TiberiumX: so write one thats oss. xchat is a popular porting target (for some reason)
Dec 01 04:24:18 <DarkriftX> xchat is too bloated for the g1
Dec 01 04:24:19 <Gary|tp> http://odiness.com/misc/android/FireWallet-v1.1.0-AndroidOS-RES-kg.zip
Dec 01 04:24:19 <KNY> the protocol is dead simple to figure out anyway; you could probably write a very basic one in an afternoon
Dec 01 04:24:31 <KNY> Gary|tp, haha
Dec 01 04:24:35 <Gary|tp> Haven't checked for viruses, ran it through wine.
Dec 01 04:24:40 <_zippy> haha
Dec 01 04:24:44 <_zippy> gary, it's clean ;)
Dec 01 04:24:45 <DarkriftX> protocol? its like 5 commands
Dec 01 04:24:47 <_zippy> RES is reputable
Dec 01 04:24:50 <TiberiumX> I just might.
Dec 01 04:24:52 <KNY> DarkriftX, exactly my point.
Dec 01 04:24:54 <Gary|tp> Ahh, well, still :)
Dec 01 04:24:57 <Disconnect> can i recommend against posting piracy links in a google-sponsored channel?
Dec 01 04:25:00 <Gary|tp> I'm not very trusting ;)
Dec 01 04:25:01 <Disconnect> just .. you know.. common sense.
Dec 01 04:25:05 <DarkriftX> i wrote an irc client in mirc script (yeah, think about that for a minute)
Dec 01 04:25:10 <_zippy> you'll have to be - it's lARPed ;)
Dec 01 04:25:12 <Gary|tp> Google sponsored?
Dec 01 04:25:14 <Fnordg1> isohunt.com
Dec 01 04:25:19 <Fnordg1> :p
Dec 01 04:25:34 <Gary|tp> DarkriftX: lol
Dec 01 04:25:46 <Gary|tp> I've written so many IRC bots, I knew the protocol by heart
Dec 01 04:25:49 <DarkriftX> it was a "sockbot" protection script
Dec 01 04:25:51 <thanatos0624> Does anyonone know if someone has successfully built busybox for Android on the Neo Freerunner?
Dec 01 04:26:17 <DarkriftX> wow, that nick..... soo familiar
Dec 01 04:26:30 <DarkriftX> ahh, buddy i used to work for had that nick on wow (thanatos)
Dec 01 04:26:39 <DarkriftX> s/work for/work with/
Dec 01 04:26:40 <infobot> DarkriftX meant: ahh, buddy i used to work with had that nick on wow (thanatos)
Dec 01 04:26:45 <thanatos0624> got it from secret of mana many years back
Dec 01 04:26:50 <Fnordg1> it's quit goth
Dec 01 04:26:54 <Fnordg1> quite
Dec 01 04:27:23 <JesusFreke1> heh. that's a spiffy infobot feature
Dec 01 04:27:35 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 04:27:36 <JesusFreke1> infobot who taught you that?
Dec 01 04:27:49 * JesusFreke1 sighs
Dec 01 04:27:51 <DarkriftX> infobot how do you know regex?
Dec 01 04:27:52 <JesusFreke1> he's ignoring me
Dec 01 04:27:53 <Disconnect> thats a godawful infobot feature
Dec 01 04:27:54 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 04:28:02 <TiberiumX> Haha
Dec 01 04:28:06 <Fnordg1> s/foo/bar
Dec 01 04:28:08 <DarkriftX> infobot whos your daddy?
Dec 01 04:28:09 <Disconnect> s/thats a godawful infobot feature/infobot should shut the hell up when not directly addressed/
Dec 01 04:28:10 * infobot who's your daddy now? huh? huh?
Dec 01 04:28:10 <infobot> Disconnect meant: infobot should shut the hell up when not directly addressed
Dec 01 04:28:15 <KNY> Fnordg1, you have to say something first
Dec 01 04:28:20 <Fnordg1> s/bar/bleh/
Dec 01 04:28:20 <infobot> Fnordg1 meant: s/foo/bleh
Dec 01 04:28:32 <TiberiumX> s/Haha/Hoho/
Dec 01 04:28:33 <infobot> TiberiumX meant: Hoho
Dec 01 04:28:48 <TiberiumX> Fun
Dec 01 04:28:51 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 04:28:53 <offby1> Disconnect: I have a bot running in two channels, and I got flamed a _lot_ until I made it not-speak-unless-spoken-to
Dec 01 04:28:56 <Leeds> infobot troutslap Disconnect
Dec 01 04:28:57 * infobot slaps Disconnect around with a large trout
Dec 01 04:29:07 <Fnordg1> s/foo/`whoami`/
Dec 01 04:29:08 <infobot> Fnordg1 meant: s/`whoami`/bar
Dec 01 04:29:13 <Fnordg1> :p
Dec 01 04:29:18 <DarkriftX> infobot dickslap Disconnect
Dec 01 04:29:20 * DarkriftX hides
Dec 01 04:29:23 <KNY> haha
Dec 01 04:29:33 <Leeds> infobot moonslap Disconnect
Dec 01 04:29:34 * infobot nabs the moon and broadsides Disconnect with the sea of tranquility
Dec 01 04:29:38 <DarkriftX> wtf
Dec 01 04:29:47 <Leeds> this bot and I go a long long way back :-)
Dec 01 04:29:48 <DarkriftX> moon works, trout works, but no swordfighting?
Dec 01 04:30:05 <Fnordg1> infobot: 23
Dec 01 04:30:12 <Leeds> infobot: 42
Dec 01 04:30:13 <infobot> rumour has it, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything
Dec 01 04:30:13 * DarkriftX puts eggdrop on his g1
Dec 01 04:30:26 <Leeds> infobot: leeds
Dec 01 04:30:26 <infobot> methinks leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem, or a very sociable guy, or a sexy alian, or the manual, or a whining butthead
Dec 01 04:30:28 * KNY puts DarkriftX's eggdrop on /ignore
Dec 01 04:30:32 <Fnordg1> infobot fails at numerology
Dec 01 04:31:32 <Fnordg1> man. why cant the g1 drivve my car so i can irc? brb
Dec 01 04:32:41 <offby1> Fnordg1: I've wished that too
Dec 01 04:32:44 <TiberiumX> Yeah, G1 will suck until it can drive my car to work.
Dec 01 04:33:03 <Fnordg1> yup
Dec 01 04:33:15 <_zippy> tiberiumX: that apps almost done
Dec 01 04:33:33 <_zippy> just trying to get the whole Catch(HitCar e) to work properly
Dec 01 04:33:34 <Fnordg1> yes still riving
Dec 01 04:33:35 <paigeadele> had mine for years now
Dec 01 04:34:16 <SystemWizard> does one of the examples at the apps for android repository show how to trap and handle the "back" button?
Dec 01 04:34:36 <Fnordg1> thank gods fo stopliights
Dec 01 04:34:42 <TiberiumX> Is this a valid SQL WHERE clause: "status <> 1 AND status <> 3"
Dec 01 04:35:01 <Fnordg1> oops cop
Dec 01 04:35:04 <Leeds> TiberiumX: sure
Dec 01 04:36:23 <_zippy> hmmm anyone ever stored a JSONObject in a sqlite query?
Dec 01 04:37:25 <TiberiumX> Ahh, I was having problems and I wasn't sure of the syntax, but it was something else.
Dec 01 04:37:41 <KNY> SystemWizard, I assume it's the same as the "Call" button
Dec 01 04:37:51 <_zippy> tiberiumx: you mean in relation to jsonobject and the query?
Dec 01 04:38:09 <KNY> in which case, your Activity needs to implement onKeyDown(int keyCode, KeyEvent event)
Dec 01 04:38:27 <KNY> and check if keyCode == KeyEvent.KEYCODE_BACK (and return true after doing whatever you want to do)
Dec 01 04:39:13 <SystemWizard> KNY:  thanks very much
Dec 01 04:39:20 <KNY> SystemWizard, not a problem
Dec 01 04:40:12 <TiberiumX> No, I don't know what a JSONObject is.  I just wasn't sure of SQL syntax that I was using.
Dec 01 04:40:21 <SystemWizard> and TiberiumX here is a link to the SQLite expression syntax diagram.  it says you should be able to do status <> 1 http://www.sqlite.org/lang_expr.html
Dec 01 04:40:51 <SystemWizard> I'm assuming you were asking about the SQLite query syntax
Dec 01 04:40:54 <TiberiumX> SystemWizard: Ahh, thanks.
Dec 01 04:40:54 <_zippy> ahh
Dec 01 04:41:01 <TiberiumX> Yes.  What are the differences?
Dec 01 04:41:09 <SystemWizard> sometimes there are subtle differences..
Dec 01 04:41:18 <SystemWizard> so I always double check the syntax for the SQL dialect I use
Dec 01 04:41:36 <SystemWizard> *usually* it's only in the DML or DDL part of the syntax.. but just to be safe...
Dec 01 04:42:15 <TiberiumX> Actually, I don't really know the syntax well for any dialect, so I suppose that isn't really a useful question in my case.
Dec 01 04:42:16 <SystemWizard> select statements and where clauses are typically all the same across SQL variants
Dec 01 04:42:28 <SystemWizard> keep it in the back of your mind.. you might need it.. ;)
Dec 01 04:42:29 <_zippy> hmmm,.... anyone know if there is a certain way to include quotations in sqlite statements?
Dec 01 04:42:29 <TiberiumX> Ahh, good to know.
Dec 01 04:42:35 <Leeds> there can be suble issues
Dec 01 04:42:38 <nice_burger> yo, all, if i browse to a mp3 file, should android(g1) play it out of the box?
Dec 01 04:42:45 <droidrift> hrmmmm
Dec 01 04:42:45 <Leeds> nice_burger: yo, yes
Dec 01 04:43:24 <TiberiumX> nice_burger: Well, the Music app has to re-scan the SD card, which may not have been done, depending on how it got put on there.
Dec 01 04:43:47 <TiberiumX> Oh, nm, you mean through the browser.
Dec 01 04:43:49 <nice_burger> what's it got to do with the card?
Dec 01 04:43:53 <nice_burger> yes browser
Dec 01 04:43:54 <TiberiumX> Yeah, it'll start streaming right away.  Very nice.
Dec 01 04:44:54 <fnord_> There needs to be a music player that has urls in it's playlist
Dec 01 04:45:08 <nice_burger> fnord_: ah, that's getting closer
Dec 01 04:45:12 <fnord_> I can access 50 gigs of songs over vpn, but no player really supports that
Dec 01 04:45:15 <fnord_> hm
Dec 01 04:45:25 <fnord_> I wonder...maybe I can NFS MOUNT it!
Dec 01 04:45:27 <fnord_> :D
Dec 01 04:45:31 <Disconnect> isn't that what five is for?
Dec 01 04:45:38 <fnord_> '5'?
Dec 01 04:45:42 <nice_burger> what's that?
Dec 01 04:45:54 <DarkriftX> its half of ten
Dec 01 04:46:11 <nice_burger> darling please
Dec 01 04:46:11 <fnord_> romainguy, ping
Dec 01 04:46:13 <Disconnect> http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=android+five
Dec 01 04:46:23 <DarkriftX> :S
Dec 01 04:46:39 <fnord_> nice_burger, you make me think of: http://helmetburger.ytmnd.com/
Dec 01 04:47:11 <nice_burger> anyhoo - i'm trying deutsche welle mp3 stream, here: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,2142,4678,00.html     if you wanna try, pick the first one (5 minutes one) and let me know what happens on yer g1?
Dec 01 04:47:27 <fnord_> Which app?
Dec 01 04:47:37 <fnord_> And I'm not talking streaming, I'm talking direct urls
Dec 01 04:47:49 <nice_burger> omfg, that is brilliant (letmegoogle thing)
Dec 01 04:48:01 <jasta> Disconnect: hmm?
Dec 01 04:48:20 <DarkriftX> !google android five
Dec 01 04:48:27 <DarkriftX> damn, we need google bots in here lol
Dec 01 04:48:30 <fnord_> like adding http://n1.fnord.to/mp3tmp/digital_witchcraft-fingerpaint.mp3 to playlist
Dec 01 04:48:57 <jasta> fnord_: five is my android project, it offers precisely what youre looking for it seems :)
Dec 01 04:49:39 <nice_burger> surely no one whose sane would call an app 'five'
Dec 01 04:49:44 <fnord_> jasta, orly? basically winamp classic for the phone XD
Dec 01 04:49:59 <Leeds> infobot: google android five
Dec 01 04:50:00 <fnord_> 5 is a good number. 2+3 is 5, after all
Dec 01 04:50:15 <elad> wuut?
Dec 01 04:50:31 <SystemWizard> has anyone tried to get to the android developer console from their G1?  when I try the android market listings always say "loading..." and never load
Dec 01 04:50:32 <Leeds> fnord_: 23 skiddoo!
Dec 01 04:50:43 <fnord_> :P
Dec 01 04:51:00 <fnord_> 'developer console' ?
Dec 01 04:51:00 <Leeds> infobot: search google for android five
Dec 01 04:51:32 <SystemWizard> market.android.com/publish/Home
Dec 01 04:51:36 <TiberiumX> Wow, that looks really cool.
Dec 01 04:51:37 <SystemWizard> it's title is "developer console"
Dec 01 04:51:42 <fnord_> jasta, are you familiar with kplaylist?
Dec 01 04:52:08 <DarkriftX> why would google not make some sort of xvid codec for android?
Dec 01 04:52:23 <DarkriftX> they have billions of dollars to pay programmers and that would be a huge thing for lots of ppl
Dec 01 04:52:24 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Why would they?
Dec 01 04:52:33 <Leeds> DarkriftX: android supports mpeg4, at least in theory... but it doesn't support avi
Dec 01 04:52:54 <DarkriftX> so what, 90% of the internets video is xvid :S
Dec 01 04:53:02 <DarkriftX> ok, well, not counting flash
Dec 01 04:53:22 <DarkriftX> which it also doesnt support (completely)
Dec 01 04:53:36 * ttuttle hates flash.
Dec 01 04:53:41 <DarkriftX> me too
Dec 01 04:53:52 <nice_burger> ttuttle: shouldn't that be 'buttle'?
Dec 01 04:53:54 <DarkriftX> id be happy with vlc :)
Dec 01 04:53:56 <Leeds> android doesn't support flash - or flash doesn't support android - at all, yet
Dec 01 04:54:03 <TiberiumX> Maybe if they stuck to making amusing little cartoons with it instead of websites.
Dec 01 04:54:19 <ttuttle> nice_burger: NO! Tuttle is my real name!
Dec 01 04:54:27 <nice_burger> buttle
Dec 01 04:54:32 <DarkriftX> you all should be proud of me, i do my part every day to stop flash websites
Dec 01 04:54:48 <fnord_> TiberiumX, damn right
Dec 01 04:54:48 <DarkriftX> when i get a customer calling in asking if our servers support flash, i tell them yes, but your site will die from flash!!!
Dec 01 04:54:57 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: good
Dec 01 04:55:02 <DarkriftX> flash will kill your seo and your visitors will hate you
Dec 01 04:55:07 <DarkriftX> almost exact words :)
Dec 01 04:55:09 <nice_burger> how could a server not support flash
Dec 01 04:55:27 <DarkriftX> nice_burger: how could a web developer never hear of ftp before?
Dec 01 04:55:38 <DarkriftX> i ask that question 12 times a day
Dec 01 04:55:54 <nice_burger> DarkriftX: you ask? you don't know what ftp is?
Dec 01 04:55:54 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Also, wtf "do your servers support flash"?
Dec 01 04:55:56 <fnord_> DarkriftX, working at shared hosting hell?
Dec 01 04:56:23 <DarkriftX> so let me get this straight, you are the web developer for this account? and you need help with ftp? oh, you dont know what ftp is?, id suggest yuo google it and find a client you can get used to......
Dec 01 04:56:24 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: "no, they explicitly don't serve files ending in .swf, just to be dumb."
Dec 01 04:56:57 <DarkriftX> yes fnord_
Dec 01 04:57:03 <DarkriftX> im tier 3 hosting support :s
Dec 01 04:57:05 <fnord_> I'm sorry =[
Dec 01 04:57:09 <TiberiumX> My school blocked files ending in .zip from the e-mail system.  So you'd rename to .zip1 or something.
Dec 01 04:57:10 <DarkriftX> its actaully kinda fun
Dec 01 04:57:12 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: /me is sorry.
Dec 01 04:57:17 <fnord_> I used to work for one of those. Very banal and horrible
Dec 01 04:57:49 <fnord_> Now I work for a company that I love, where the owner got sued by the state of washington, fired everyone, and did 400k of credit card fraud :P
Dec 01 04:58:06 <fnord_> And all the employees liked it so much we tried to keep it going.
Dec 01 04:58:08 <fnord_> HAH
Dec 01 04:58:19 <DarkriftX> i get this one all day long "I just bought my website and i dont know how to make it show up" (their reciept shows a $9 domain purchased, nothign else)
Dec 01 04:58:58 <_zippy> darkriftX: tier1 is worse..
Dec 01 04:59:06 <_zippy> in college i spent a year plugging in computers
Dec 01 04:59:22 <_zippy> and then listening to professors claim i must have unplugged it to make them look dumb...
Dec 01 04:59:23 <Gary|tp> DarkriftX: just point it to google and say go nuts
Dec 01 04:59:24 <DarkriftX> then we find out they wrote their website in word :S
Dec 01 04:59:24 * _zippy sigh
Dec 01 04:59:36 <Gary|tp> like, redirect the domain. not tell him to go there.
Dec 01 05:00:04 <DarkriftX> at that point we say "microsoft anything and the internet do not mix.... no word, excel, powerpoint, sharepoint, frontpage, publisher..... NOTHING. you are asking for a headache."
Dec 01 05:00:44 <Gary|tp> I remember taking web design in high school
Dec 01 05:00:54 <Gary|tp> teacher was showing us how to make power point websites
Dec 01 05:01:04 <Gary|tp> and I was bitching about how they weren't XHTML compliant, and refused to use it
Dec 01 05:02:04 <nice_burger> Gary|tp: that's close to refusing to do what the teacher asks because the design isn't blue
Dec 01 05:03:13 <fnord_> nice_burger, I disagree. Teaching a kid to do websites in powerpoint is like telling them that politics isn't a scam.
Dec 01 05:03:29 <Gary|tp> Well I wouldn't *refuse*, I'd just manually edit HTML after exporting it to make it suck a bit less. Was only in it for 3 weeks before the teacher took me out of it lol.
Dec 01 05:03:49 <RyeBrye> power point generated web pages?
Dec 01 05:03:51 * RyeBrye vomits
Dec 01 05:04:18 <Gary|tp> I spent the rest of the semester in the server room trolling forums, occassionally helping our net admin
Dec 01 05:04:19 <TiberiumX> It's possible that exporting a slideshow to a website will eventually be a useful skill for some of those people.
Dec 01 05:04:22 <RyeBrye> Although I did find it hilarious when I tried to report a bug from the G1 on the code.google.com page for android and it bitched at me after I hit submit about it requiring a POST_LENGTH or something strange like that
Dec 01 05:04:29 <Gary|tp> TiberiumX: hahahaha
Dec 01 05:04:30 <Gary|tp> suuuuuuuuuure.
Dec 01 05:04:41 <nice_burger> fnord_: everything i was 'taught' in school turns out to be wrong/lies. i know. but if you don't want to play along, drop out - instead of nitpicking over everything you don't like
Dec 01 05:05:07 <DarkriftX> screw that
Dec 01 05:05:14 <DarkriftX> things dont get better without bitching
Dec 01 05:05:20 <fnord_> nice_burger, Eh I disagree. If more people had spines the world might be a better place
Dec 01 05:05:29 <DarkriftX> exactly
Dec 01 05:05:37 <nice_burger> fnord_: we agree - the drop out option
Dec 01 05:05:40 <DarkriftX> some ppl are seen to be bitching because the rest are too scared/complacent to do it
Dec 01 05:05:53 <nice_burger> dropping out is a big bitching
Dec 01 05:06:02 <DarkriftX> no, its giving up
Dec 01 05:06:18 <DarkriftX> i didnt drop otu of school, i was removed lol
Dec 01 05:06:20 <nice_burger> what the hell am i saying, i should get to work
Dec 01 05:06:42 <DarkriftX> you can tell by how i spell "otu"
Dec 01 05:06:48 <fnord_> nice_burger, While it's a rather strong statement, it's not smart from the individual perspective
Dec 01 05:06:48 <Leeds> RyeBrye: there are no bugs...
Dec 01 05:07:13 <fnord_> nice_burger, This isn't a boolean question
Dec 01 05:07:20 <RyeBrye> Leeds - apparently not :) Although I thought it was ironic that the very mechanism for reporting bugs has a bug in android
Dec 01 05:07:55 <_zippy> anyone see the android virus scanner
Dec 01 05:07:58 <_zippy> thing is a JOKE
Dec 01 05:08:05 <Gary|tp> anyone see the waste of $9
Dec 01 05:08:21 <_zippy> lol
Dec 01 05:08:30 <Gary|tp> how can anything with access limited to the davlik sandbox actually catch a virus
Dec 01 05:08:34 <Gary|tp> that exists in another sandbox
Dec 01 05:08:38 <Gary|tp> that it has zero access to
Dec 01 05:08:50 <_zippy> well.. thats point 1
Dec 01 05:08:55 <_zippy> point 2 is the virus definitions
Dec 01 05:09:00 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 05:09:04 <DarkriftX> Gary13579: root?
Dec 01 05:09:12 <_zippy> it doesn't even use heuristics
Dec 01 05:09:16 <Gary|tp> it's a commercial app, that isn't supposed to require root
Dec 01 05:09:28 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 05:09:32 <_zippy> it can't even scan non-public files ahha
Dec 01 05:09:32 <TiberiumX> Wouldn't be the first dubious antivirus app out there.
Dec 01 05:09:45 <Gary|tp> I mean it'll literally catch nothing
Dec 01 05:09:50 <DarkriftX> virus scanners on linux
Dec 01 05:09:52 <DarkriftX> always a good laugh
Dec 01 05:10:28 <Gary|tp> _zippy: how is it even scanning for anything though.
Dec 01 05:10:31 <_zippy> gary: it can catch sym virus! :)
Dec 01 05:10:34 <Gary|tp> there's no android viruses out there lol
Dec 01 05:10:38 <TiberiumX> Somehow I ended up with a popup with a very well done flash program that showed a virus scanner scanning windows system files (on my Linux system), and eventually coming up with 30 problems that required fixing, including a detail dialog with stuff like "porn downloader" and "bank logger"
Dec 01 05:10:41 <_zippy> gary: scans all public folders
Dec 01 05:10:48 <Gary|tp> for what?
Dec 01 05:10:55 <Gary|tp> viruses that don't exist ;) ?
Dec 01 05:10:55 <_zippy> then it checks it to signatures, all it's signatures are currently for sym viruses
Dec 01 05:10:58 <_zippy> ;)
Dec 01 05:11:01 <_zippy> so technically it will work
Dec 01 05:11:03 <Gary|tp> lol
Dec 01 05:11:05 <KNY>  TiberiumX, a porn downloader is a virus?
Dec 01 05:11:10 <_zippy> it will detect a sym virus tht can't loa don your phone!
Dec 01 05:11:13 <_zippy> woohooo!
Dec 01 05:11:15 <KNY>  I'll take three!
Dec 01 05:11:24 <TiberiumX> Hahaha
Dec 01 05:11:43 <_zippy> lol
Dec 01 05:11:44 <_zippy> hmm
Dec 01 05:11:47 <_zippy> well i'm off everyone
Dec 01 05:11:49 <_zippy> night all
Dec 01 05:11:54 <Gary|tp> it's a nice concept, if it had root.
Dec 01 05:11:59 <Gary|tp> night man, thanks again ;)
Dec 01 05:12:01 <_zippy> haha
Dec 01 05:12:04 <TiberiumX> Well, consider the target of this sort of advertisement/bullshit.
Dec 01 05:12:16 <fnord_> I'm sure clam can be ported
Dec 01 05:12:34 <Gary|tp> again, useless
Dec 01 05:12:50 <KNY> virus scanners have the best business model; everyone who would need one in the first place is dumb enough to buy one :)
Dec 01 05:14:12 <fnord_> I actually had a virus put on my phone. Mounted it as a usb drive to transfer music, friend's xp box has grids
Dec 01 05:14:26 <Leeds> actually, virus scanners on Linux make a *lot* of sense
Dec 01 05:14:40 <KNY> "Days after the release of Android, the first exploit became public." said Daniel V. Hoffman, chief technology officer, SMobile Systems.
Dec 01 05:14:47 <TiberiumX> Email attachments?
Dec 01 05:14:48 <KNY> are they talking about the root exploit?
Dec 01 05:14:50 <Leeds> the entire OS is a sandbox for win32 viruses
Dec 01 05:15:25 <KNY> Leeds, did you ever see that thread of the guy that ran the virus in WINE?
Dec 01 05:15:48 <TiberiumX> I hear hackers will break into your system if you don't buy their software.
Dec 01 05:16:06 <fnord_> http://xkcd.com/350/ <-------
Dec 01 05:16:51 <elad> hah
Dec 01 05:16:55 <TiberiumX> Haha, those comics never get old.
Dec 01 05:17:24 <KNY> my school's sysadmin has that on his door. I have a feeling that he does that with the computer labs after hours
Dec 01 05:17:51 <DarkriftX> question, how hard would it be to port a java program to g1 (for the company that wrote it)
Dec 01 05:18:03 <RyeBrye> depends
Dec 01 05:18:10 <DarkriftX> i use woopra analytics and its fully java, and id love to see at least some of it on my g1
Dec 01 05:18:19 <RyeBrye> For instance, Maple would probably be a bitch to port :)
Dec 01 05:18:46 <fnord_> maple is java now?
Dec 01 05:18:48 <KNY> well, I don't believe javax.swing.* exists on Android, so that would be your first hurdle
Dec 01 05:18:50 <RyeBrye> Maple has been for a while
Dec 01 05:18:56 <fnord_> Oh. I thought it used motif
Dec 01 05:19:08 <RyeBrye> Maybe it uses the PLAF to look like it uses motif
Dec 01 05:19:15 <fnord_> ahh
Dec 01 05:20:08 <RyeBrye> Yeah... but can you imagine the performance of a maple interpreter on an ARM chip :)
Dec 01 05:20:34 * RyeBrye dreams of solving ODE's on his phone while stuck in traffic
Dec 01 05:21:09 <RyeBrye> Yeah, with maple you set the java heap size and stuff in the prefs - so I'm reasonably certain it's java
Dec 01 05:27:28 <shiv> Hi , How to map USB keyboard with android?
Dec 01 05:27:49 <fnord_> shiv, got root?
Dec 01 05:28:12 <RyeBrye> wait, does the G1 have usb host to handle a usb keyboard attached to it?
Dec 01 05:28:19 <shiv> fnord_
Dec 01 05:28:30 <shiv> wgat do u mean?
Dec 01 05:28:48 <fnord_> Do you have root on your phone?
Dec 01 05:29:05 <shiv> RyeBrye : no I am using another board?
Dec 01 05:29:10 <RyeBrye> Oh, ok
Dec 01 05:29:12 <shiv> fnord: yes
Dec 01 05:29:23 <RyeBrye> fnord_ - does the G1 have usb host to handle a usb keyboard?
Dec 01 05:29:51 <fnord_> iirc yeah
Dec 01 05:30:11 <fnord_> then it would involve getting an adapter and trying the regular linux driver for usb keyboard
Dec 01 05:30:25 <shiv> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/65f0b3e0c7607305?pli=1  This is what I am trying to do
Dec 01 05:30:32 <fnord_> I could be wrong tho
Dec 01 05:32:21 <shiv> does anyone have any idea?
Dec 01 05:35:49 <fnord_> well
Dec 01 05:36:06 <fnord_> I'd have looked but xchat cut-paste broke. so I'm looking for another version
Dec 01 05:38:54 <DarkriftX> i have a page with a form that is submitted when you change the form option, for some reason this doesnt seem to work very well on the g1 browser (it worked at least twice now, so i know it can be done)
Dec 01 05:39:03 <DarkriftX> anyone got any ideas?
Dec 01 05:40:22 <fnord_> JesusFreke1, ping
Dec 01 05:40:50 <fnord_> what page?
Dec 01 05:41:02 <DarkriftX> its kinda a private page
Dec 01 05:41:13 <DarkriftX> <select id="date" name="date" onchange="this.form.submit();">
Dec 01 05:41:20 <DarkriftX> thats the code that caused the form to submit
Dec 01 05:41:36 <fnord_> Can you take away the private bits and lemme see the code?
Dec 01 05:41:40 <fnord_> ahh
Dec 01 05:41:53 <fnord_> what does it do wrong?
Dec 01 05:42:14 <DarkriftX> it doesnt submit on change
Dec 01 05:42:23 <TiberiumX> Is there any way with adb on a G1 to install over the top of a previously installed application while keeping the application data intact?
Dec 01 05:42:31 <DarkriftX> i change the contents of the box and its supposed to refresh the page but doesnt
Dec 01 05:42:38 <DarkriftX> its worked 2x, ive tried it like 50
Dec 01 05:43:21 <fnord_> TiberiumX, Yeah, I've had upgrades preseve data. Dunno how tho
Dec 01 05:44:47 <TiberiumX> Trying to just adb install over the top of the old one gives an INSTALL_FAILED_ALREADY_EXISTS error.
Dec 01 05:46:01 <fnord_> If root, try (after backup) cat new.apk > old.apk ?
Dec 01 05:46:39 <TiberiumX> No root for me, running RC30.
Dec 01 05:46:47 <hanju> Hi wht is the functionality of AudioFlinger in android code ?
Dec 01 05:50:50 <SystemWizard> ok.. noobish question...  if an app is installed from the android market.. and the app is upgraded... does the app automatically say that an upgrade is available?  or is there a 'hook' I need to do during "onCreate"?
Dec 01 05:52:09 <offby1> all I can say is: as a user of apps, I've never seen one offer to upgrade itself
Dec 01 05:53:33 <SystemWizard> i've seen it happen.. ShopSavvy, for example, but the more I think about it, that must be a hook they wrote
Dec 01 05:56:48 <Fnordg1> wtf.
Dec 01 05:56:53 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 05:57:03 <Fnordg1> it crashed right as i joined channel
Dec 01 05:57:04 <Leeds> hand
Dec 01 05:57:09 <DarkriftX> wow
Dec 01 05:57:14 <DarkriftX> hasnt crashed for me yet :S
Dec 01 05:58:22 <Fnordg1> xchat?
Dec 01 05:58:24 <Fnordg1> win32?
Dec 01 05:58:28 <Fnordg1> what build?
Dec 01 05:58:32 <DarkriftX> ?
Dec 01 05:58:38 <DarkriftX> me?
Dec 01 05:58:43 <Fnordg1> yeah.
Dec 01 05:58:45 <DarkriftX> xchat on linux
Dec 01 05:58:50 <Fnordg1> Ahh
Dec 01 05:58:50 <DarkriftX> but im talking about the irc beta apk
Dec 01 06:01:25 <DarkriftX> me tired, me need smoke, me be back
Dec 01 06:01:48 <SystemWizard> have good smoke
Dec 01 06:04:47 <fnord_> there
Dec 01 06:05:04 <TiberiumX> Is there a way to store an sqlite database for my application on the SD card?
Dec 01 06:05:57 <fnord_> In theory any app can write to sd. I'm not sure if the sqlite functions support openorcreate using arbitrary paths tho
Dec 01 06:06:06 <sparkle> TiberiumX: at the least i think that's discouraged by the security model
Dec 01 06:06:07 <sparkle> yeah
Dec 01 06:06:18 <sparkle> because if your app can write to sd, another app can scribble on it
Dec 01 06:06:26 <TiberiumX> My databases are getting pretty big, and I don't want them taking up space on the internal memory.
Dec 01 06:07:05 <TiberiumX> I'm not storing personal information or anything, so that's not really a big concern.
Dec 01 06:08:10 <sparkle> can your app be convinced to misbehave if the wrong sort of data gets stuffed in there?
Dec 01 06:08:20 <TiberiumX> I get the impression that Android was designed with much more internal memory in mind.
Dec 01 06:08:55 <sparkle> i'd not be surprised to see the next android device ship with several times more internal flash
Dec 01 06:09:00 <sparkle> it's gotten so cheap
Dec 01 06:09:14 <TiberiumX> I'm sure they could cause errors, but it's not going to do anything dangerous with bad data.
Dec 01 06:09:17 <Gary|tp> sparkle: Store a checksum of the database in the interal memorys database
Dec 01 06:09:18 <Gary|tp> fixt
Dec 01 06:09:29 <Gary|tp> *internal
Dec 01 06:09:36 <TiberiumX> That's a good idea.
Dec 01 06:09:43 <Gary|tp> If anything screwy happens, the app will know.
Dec 01 06:09:58 <sparkle> it is, but it doesn't stop on the fly race attacks
Dec 01 06:10:02 <TiberiumX> This one should have shipped with several times more internal flash.  It's cheap.
Dec 01 06:10:09 <sparkle> i think it makes sense to be able to use the sdcard
Dec 01 06:10:12 <Gary|tp> indeed :/
Dec 01 06:10:22 <sparkle> but there's a huge long thread on sdcard security model partitioning on one of the android groups...ugly :-/
Dec 01 06:10:28 <Gary|tp> Could you chown the file to the specific user group?
Dec 01 06:10:42 <sparkle> not easily in a vfat fs :-/
Dec 01 06:10:51 <Gary|tp> oh, right. hmm.
Dec 01 06:11:04 <fnord_> android should use something like UMSDOS
Dec 01 06:11:06 <Gary|tp> damn it windows.
Dec 01 06:11:48 <Gary|tp> Indeed.
Dec 01 06:11:57 <sparkle> i just cheat and have a 4gb ext2 partition, but that's not really an option for any app you want to ship to the masses :p
Dec 01 06:12:32 <Gary|tp> on an 8gb card?
Dec 01 06:12:36 <sparkle> yeah
Dec 01 06:12:40 <Gary|tp> and does android automatically mount that?
Dec 01 06:12:46 <Leeds> no
Dec 01 06:12:49 <sparkle> not really
Dec 01 06:12:57 <Leeds> in fact, it doesn't support ext2 without some modding
Dec 01 06:12:57 <Gary|tp> I assume you'd need to mount it, with root access?
Dec 01 06:13:03 <Gary|tp> oh, hmm
Dec 01 06:13:13 * sparkle nods
Dec 01 06:14:47 <Gary|tp> Not entirely sure on how mutex works, but would it be possible to on start up checksum the database, mutex the file, then unlock and rechecksum the file when closing?
Dec 01 06:15:41 <Gary|tp> Granted, in case of an application crash you'd run into problems. But maybe when the database is opened, set a flag in internal memory, and reset it after you close to let the app know it updated checksums correctly.
Dec 01 06:16:51 <sparkle> what kind of involuntary locking semantics are supported on vfat
Dec 01 06:16:57 <sparkle> it's not gonna be pretty
Dec 01 06:17:12 <sparkle> and you'd lock and then checksum
Dec 01 06:17:17 <sparkle> it's like...pillage, *then* burn
Dec 01 06:17:23 <sparkle> don't get that backwards
Dec 01 06:18:20 <Gary|tp> No idea, like I said I'm not sure how mutex works specifically. I know it can be done in Windows (a clientless video game bot I worked on tried to load DLLs from the game, but if the game was running it couldn't openthem).
Dec 01 06:19:28 <sparkle> i don't know what kind of interfaces for file locking are passed up through the api
Dec 01 06:19:33 <sparkle> it's an idea though
Dec 01 06:21:32 <Gary|tp> To be honest though I don't think it's much to worry about. As long as personal data isn't stored on it.
Dec 01 06:21:54 <Gary|tp> Most of our phones would be bricked right now if someone decided to abuse the su hole :P
Dec 01 06:43:29 <DarkriftX> dude, fix your connection!
Dec 01 06:51:02 <Lieutenant> u know how people say "post the source code!" ? well couldn't someone just post part of the code, and just add malicous code into the .apk they upload?
Dec 01 06:51:24 <Lieutenant> so even asking for the code isn't 100% safe.
Dec 01 06:51:55 <jasta> Lieutenant: uhh, well you'd build the code yourself
Dec 01 06:52:02 <bradleyy> but by posting the code, you can build your own apk.
Dec 01 06:52:11 <Lieutenant> oooooooh
Dec 01 06:54:13 <DarkriftX> how do i make it so gtalk messages make a sound or something
Dec 01 06:54:21 <DarkriftX> i didnt even notice it till 30 minutes later
Dec 01 06:54:59 <Lieutenant> hey whats that 3 letter acronym for the emulator/program builder code thing that google released so people can make apps?
Dec 01 06:55:23 <Leeds> DarkriftX: there are per-account settings for notify, vibrate and ring
Dec 01 06:55:28 <Leeds> Lieutenant: do you mean SDK?
Dec 01 06:55:29 <Lieutenant> um darkrift, there should be a "notifications" sound option in your sounds and settdisplay
Dec 01 06:55:30 <TiberiumX> ? sdk ant adb?
Dec 01 06:55:32 <Lieutenant> yeah sdk
Dec 01 06:55:34 <Lieutenant> thanks!
Dec 01 06:55:39 <DarkriftX> hrmmmm, ill check there
Dec 01 06:56:05 <Leeds> Lieutenant: "Software Development Kit"
Dec 01 06:56:16 <DarkriftX> i hate the volume button
Dec 01 06:56:25 <DarkriftX> always gets turned down, thats probably what happened
Dec 01 06:56:41 <DarkriftX> i wonder if i can disable it from the shell
Dec 01 06:57:27 <TiberiumX> Really?  I like it's accessability when I'm listening to music/podcasts.
Dec 01 06:57:49 <DarkriftX> the way i hold it in landscape mode i press them and somehow dont notice the sound going down :S
Dec 01 06:58:59 <sparkle> mm
Dec 01 06:59:11 <sparkle> i'd love tapping the volume rocker to change volume...and holding it to adjust screen brightness
Dec 01 06:59:31 <Lieutenant> is that possible?
Dec 01 06:59:42 <sparkle> not right now
Dec 01 06:59:45 <sparkle> but wouldn't it be nice?
Dec 01 06:59:52 <Lieutenant> maan, i woulda NEVER thought of something like that
Dec 01 06:59:55 <Lieutenant> thats brilliant!
Dec 01 07:01:19 * sparkle grins
Dec 01 07:01:41 <DarkriftX> lol, i just found the unlock pattern thing
Dec 01 07:01:45 <DarkriftX> thats awesome
Dec 01 07:01:53 <DarkriftX> might get annoying, but damn
Dec 01 07:01:54 <Lieutenant> no way! that shoulda been the first feature u found!
Dec 01 07:02:07 <DarkriftX> nah, first feature i found was root
Dec 01 07:02:10 <DarkriftX> second was flash_image
Dec 01 07:02:15 <DarkriftX> third was remount
Dec 01 07:02:16 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 07:02:21 * sparkle chuckles
Dec 01 07:02:38 <DarkriftX> ive been studying the process for a month, finally got to do it
Dec 01 07:02:44 <Lieutenant> lol wtf were u holding the phone backwards? thats the last thing i learned. lol
Dec 01 07:03:00 <sparkle> mm
Dec 01 07:03:05 <DarkriftX> Lieutenant: i have a site with a whole wiki about root on android
Dec 01 07:03:19 <Lieutenant> my unlock pattern was the shape of a G. (starting from the middle) then 3 weeks later, i changed it to a 1
Dec 01 07:03:28 <Lieutenant> android-dls.com
Dec 01 07:03:40 <Lieutenant> i gots that bookmarked lol!
Dec 01 07:03:40 <DarkriftX> yup
Dec 01 07:03:45 <DarkriftX> me too lol
Dec 01 07:03:56 <DarkriftX> that wiki was great yesterday when i needed the steps
Dec 01 07:06:29 <Lieutenant> awwwwwwwww thats gay! i wanted to printscreen my unlock code, but i'm guessing cause i hit end (and turned off the screen) it closed the program or something....
Dec 01 07:08:50 <Lieutenant> print-screening the print-screen screen amuses me.
Dec 01 07:09:38 <DarkriftX> :S
Dec 01 07:10:37 <DarkriftX> i strongly dislike the view and control of the gmail app
Dec 01 07:10:41 <DarkriftX> deleting message is painful
Dec 01 07:10:52 <DarkriftX> and it doesnt have an option to leave messages on server :(
Dec 01 07:11:06 <SystemWizard> looks like this is how people are doing update checks for their apps.. http://www.tomgibara.com/android/veecheck/
Dec 01 07:11:15 <SystemWizard> or somethign along those lines..
Dec 01 07:15:50 <Leeds> DarkriftX: that makes no sense
Dec 01 07:16:05 <DarkriftX> what doesnt?
Dec 01 07:17:06 <Leeds> leaving messages on the server
Dec 01 07:17:11 <DarkriftX> why not?
Dec 01 07:17:20 <DarkriftX> every other mail client in the world has that option
Dec 01 07:17:28 <DarkriftX> but it doesnt make sense for the g1?
Dec 01 07:17:41 <Leeds> because you're never taking messages off the server
Dec 01 07:17:50 <DarkriftX> outlook, the shittiest client in the world allows that
Dec 01 07:18:05 <DarkriftX> well, when i get mail from my gmail account, they arent in my inbox anymore
Dec 01 07:18:21 <Leeds> how are you getting the mail?
Dec 01 07:18:23 <DarkriftX> i have kmail checking my mail also and i dont get any mail there anymore
Dec 01 07:18:24 <DarkriftX> pop
Dec 01 07:18:48 <Leeds> yeah, welcome to the future - here, we do imap, or similar
Dec 01 07:18:48 <Leeds> pop is shitty and obselete
Dec 01 07:18:52 <DarkriftX> imap is slow and buggy
Dec 01 07:18:57 <Leeds> nope
Dec 01 07:19:03 <DarkriftX> ive used imap for years
Dec 01 07:19:09 <DarkriftX> i use pop on this one because its faster
Dec 01 07:19:10 <Leeds> there is no 'mail on server, mail on client' - there is just 'mail in mailbox, local view of it'
Dec 01 07:19:47 <DarkriftX> imap on my gmail and google apps accounts is excruciating
Dec 01 07:20:10 <DarkriftX> i left it on one of my google apps accounts because it has 6 domains email going to it, but the rest i changed back to pop
Dec 01 07:20:24 <DarkriftX> regardless, i should still see the message
Dec 01 07:20:38 <Leeds> how should you see the message if you've deleted it?
Dec 01 07:21:00 <DarkriftX> i didnt delete it
Dec 01 07:21:04 <DarkriftX> i hadnt even viewed it
Dec 01 07:21:16 <DarkriftX> i recieved the email 6 hours ago, kmail checks every 5 minutes
Dec 01 07:21:30 <DarkriftX> it was pushed to my g1 within a minute of recieving it, and kmail didnt get it
Dec 01 07:23:30 <Leeds> then kmail isn't getting mail which is marked as 'seen'
Dec 01 07:23:57 <Leeds> you're mixing online reading and offline... not a great idea
Dec 01 07:32:10 <Lieutenant> hey
Dec 01 07:32:17 <Lieutenant> my friend wants to code for andoid
Dec 01 07:32:32 <Lieutenant> android* where do i get the link for the G1 emulator + sdk?
Dec 01 07:32:41 <DarkriftX> google "android emulator"
Dec 01 07:32:49 <DarkriftX> thats where i always get it
Dec 01 07:34:41 <DarkriftX> push still works while phone is sleeping right?
Dec 01 07:34:56 <DarkriftX> (id assume so)
Dec 01 07:36:11 <jasta> DarkriftX: yes, of course.  the cellular radio is always on.
Dec 01 07:36:58 <Lieutenant> cool got it. hey i can't find that youtube video of multi-touch :(
Dec 01 07:37:59 <DarkriftX> ryebrye.com
Dec 01 07:38:14 <DarkriftX> so if i read the email before kmail gets it, im screwed
Dec 01 07:38:25 <Lieutenant> sweet. thanks
Dec 01 07:38:33 <DarkriftX> kinda sucks, but i doubt ill normally get to it that fast
Dec 01 07:38:43 <DarkriftX> kmail had it after 1 minute, g1 took 6 minutes to get it
Dec 01 07:40:04 <Leeds> DarkriftX: you are using the gmail app, not the regular mail app?  and you're on a data connection?
Dec 01 07:40:24 <DarkriftX> im using whatever opens when i click on the new mail icon
Dec 01 07:40:39 <DarkriftX> and yes, data connection
Dec 01 07:43:57 <some-other-choop> hate to interrupt, but what's best for installing flash?
Dec 01 07:44:05 <DarkriftX> heh
Dec 01 07:44:13 <DarkriftX> best?
Dec 01 07:44:17 <DarkriftX> best of nothing is still nothing
Dec 01 07:44:31 <some-other-choop> i program flex
Dec 01 07:44:35 <some-other-choop> i'll be needing flash
Dec 01 07:44:48 <DarkriftX> well, your gonna have a long boring wait
Dec 01 07:44:52 <DarkriftX> there is no flash on the g1
Dec 01 07:44:54 <anno^da_> Oh man now the last minutes of waiting for my G1 here in Germany :)
Dec 01 07:45:25 <anno^da_> Could someone tell what updates I should flash and what I should not flash?
Dec 01 07:45:37 <DarkriftX> anno^da_: android-dls.com/wiki
Dec 01 07:45:53 <DarkriftX> first look at "rooting android" then "keeping root" (yo might need the uk version of keeping root)
Dec 01 07:46:09 <anno^da_> no I'm having the US version of the G1
Dec 01 07:46:13 <DarkriftX> ok
Dec 01 07:46:19 <DarkriftX> its all on that wiki
Dec 01 07:46:21 <anno^da_> I'm importing it from the US :)
Dec 01 07:46:22 <anno^da_> thanks
Dec 01 07:46:25 <anno^da_> DarkriftX
Dec 01 07:46:35 <DarkriftX> as a test, i followed the wiki yesterday and fully rooted/flashed rc30
Dec 01 07:46:48 <DarkriftX> so the instructions work pretty good
Dec 01 07:47:00 <anno^da_> So I'm doing rotting android and then keeping root
Dec 01 07:47:06 <DarkriftX> yeah
Dec 01 07:47:06 <anno^da_> :)
Dec 01 07:47:18 <DarkriftX> get root, flash updated recovery, flash update.zip and your done
Dec 01 07:48:09 <anno^da_> fine
Dec 01 07:48:33 <DarkriftX> might wanna do them fast also
Dec 01 07:48:42 <DarkriftX> google can force the update on you now
Dec 01 07:48:54 <DarkriftX> once that happens, your f00ked till a new root hack comes out
Dec 01 07:49:11 <anno^da_> Well since I dont have a T-Mobile card the updates shouldnt be there right
Dec 01 07:49:22 <DarkriftX> not sure
Dec 01 07:50:43 <anno^da_> Does the cellular connection have to be connected ?
Dec 01 07:50:54 <anno^da_> So I would just switch of the 3G/GPRS
Dec 01 07:56:27 <DarkriftX> it does while you "init" the phone
Dec 01 07:56:30 <DarkriftX> after that i dont htink so
Dec 01 07:58:01 <DarkriftX> locale doesnt seem to be working properly for me, and their site is useless :(
Dec 01 07:58:19 <Lieutenant> there isn't a java sdk, right?
Dec 01 07:58:26 <Lieutenant> the phone can't run java?
Dec 01 07:59:00 <DarkriftX> it always sets "default" settings, even though im at home (i made the home radius very large, 6 houses wide, the gps signal is accurate enough to tell if im in there)
Dec 01 07:59:21 <DarkriftX> it properly detected "home" once when i first set it, but not since
Dec 01 07:59:37 <DarkriftX> Lieutenant: as far as i know, not standard java, but i could be wrong
Dec 01 08:00:29 <Leeds> it will update over cell or wifi, regardless of what network you're on
Dec 01 08:00:56 <Leeds> Lieutenant: the phone runs the dalvik VM, and the SDK compiles java source to dalvik bytecode
Dec 01 08:02:38 <anno^da_> Leeds: thank you so I have to switch off all the connections. :-)
Dec 01 08:02:43 <Leeds> so you write Java code, against the defined APIs, then you turn the hand-crank and get an Android package out the other side
Dec 01 08:08:26 * DarkriftX turned the crank and got a "hello. dfs98sds#8sd9fus..........<end of transmission>" and gave up
Dec 01 08:20:13 <Lieutenant> k 1 more question
Dec 01 08:20:32 <Leeds> I think you may have used up your quota of free questions
Dec 01 08:20:44 <Lieutenant> is there a list or a website with the list of all the .apk's on a website so i can download the apps on the comp?
Dec 01 08:21:01 <Leeds> no
Dec 01 08:21:19 <Lieutenant> okay, so how would someone get apps on the emulated version of the G1 on the comp?
Dec 01 08:21:22 <Leeds> most apps are only available through the market
Dec 01 08:21:29 <Gary|tp> download from market
Dec 01 08:21:32 <Gary|tp> rip from phone with root
Dec 01 08:21:43 <Lieutenant> there isn't a "market" app on the emulator
Dec 01 08:21:55 <Gary|tp> download it on the real phone
Dec 01 08:21:58 <Lieutenant> oh
Dec 01 08:22:01 <Gary|tp> then take the package off
Dec 01 08:22:02 <Lieutenant> he doesn't have a phone
Dec 01 08:22:05 <Gary|tp> and put it on pc
Dec 01 08:22:08 <Gary|tp> oh, well, dunno
Dec 01 08:40:13 <DarkriftX> wow, i thought i had seen all the games on the market, just found a ton i must have missed
Dec 01 08:53:14 <Lieutenant> all the games suck
Dec 01 08:53:22 <Lieutenant> except for bonsai blast
Dec 01 08:53:27 <Lieutenant> that is my shit!
Dec 01 08:57:36 <Lieutenant> does anyone know if someone is working on a v1.3 rc30?
Dec 01 09:05:49 <fnord_> yep
Dec 01 09:25:27 <jasta> Lieutenant: mismismatch is excellent
Dec 01 10:11:37 <tauno_> hey, googledudes, do you have physical access to the dudes who moderate android-discuss list?
Dec 01 10:14:19 <tauno_> ..can you somehow physically or emotionally hurt them? please?
Dec 01 10:14:38 <gambler> what did they do to you
Dec 01 10:14:53 <gambler> did they touch you
Dec 01 10:16:10 <tauno_> my messages are stuck for ~4 days.. they have probably printed them out and now they try to get togehter a national mailinglist moderators conference where they can decide if my messages are OK or not..
Dec 01 10:16:41 <tauno_> I mean.. they have printed them out and sent them to every list moderator in the world so they could vote or something..
Dec 01 10:17:13 <tauno_> or I don't know what they are doing with them...that's the only possibility left..
Dec 01 10:18:24 <gambler> maybe you should go to one of the message boards that have popped up
Dec 01 10:18:27 <gambler> vote with your feet
Dec 01 10:20:31 <tarelerulz> How does the g1  doe with audio books ?
Dec 01 10:23:17 <defcon_> someone needs to make an equalizer mp3 player
Dec 01 10:25:11 <tarelerulz> Defcon, What you think of G1?
Dec 01 11:37:49 <joeyjones> tauno_: chances are that they're jsut enjoying their thanksgiving weekend
Dec 01 11:52:04 <Lieutenant> so someone is workin on a 1.3?
Dec 01 11:53:39 <Lieutenant> could u kindly tell them to edit the youtube app before they finish their mod? just make all the videos add "&fmt=18" to the ends of the video links to make them "high-quality" that would be  great. and seeems easy.
Dec 01 12:04:50 <kenken64> hi all
Dec 01 12:38:05 <blau> the space on my g1 keeps vanshing
Dec 01 12:38:07 <blau> grrr
Dec 01 13:10:21 <Dialekt> yuck
Dec 01 13:10:24 <Dialekt> memory leakage
Dec 01 13:11:31 <Kizoomer121> Hey all. I want to show an indeterminate progress bar while my activity loads some info from a web feed. I have got it to show the circular progress bar, however it doesn't spin. It just stays still until the content loads, before disappearing. Do I have to load this into some sort of thread? Thanks.
Dec 01 13:21:11 <blau> anyone use google calendar for tasks?
Dec 01 13:21:15 <blau> i made a task shuffler
Dec 01 13:21:32 <blau> for myself, but would be willing to share it with anyone
Dec 01 13:21:38 <blau> not a native g1 app
Dec 01 13:21:43 <blau> its webbased
Dec 01 13:45:21 <Dialekt> CHICKEN WINGS!
Dec 01 13:45:33 <Dialekt> BBQ HOT TOBASCO SAUCE PLS
Dec 01 13:47:14 <mpardo> is this intent no longer valid? "market://details?id={your_app_id}"
Dec 01 13:49:50 <blau> havent tried it
Dec 01 13:49:54 <blau> just been searching for my apps name
Dec 01 13:51:40 <mpardo> hmmm
Dec 01 13:51:52 <mpardo> that's one of the ways google said to do updates originally
Dec 01 13:52:00 <mpardo> now i don't see it anywhere and it doesn't work
Dec 01 13:52:20 <mpardo> which sucks because a previous version of my app uses that intent for updates
Dec 01 13:52:49 <an_dev> can anybody tell me how can we have different types of effects like sliding or rotating when you change the view
Dec 01 13:53:16 <an_dev> like if you click on a item, it will show you details of that item
Dec 01 13:53:35 <an_dev> but the new screen will appear after like left sliding or rotating
Dec 01 13:54:25 <an_dev> anyone?
Dec 01 13:57:43 <blau> check the api demos
Dec 01 13:57:48 <blau> they show some animation stuff
Dec 01 13:57:53 <blau> i havent looked into it myself
Dec 01 13:58:47 <blau> grr cant get my pending intent to work in sendtextmessage
Dec 01 14:02:06 <blau> durrr got it, i forgot to add it to my manifest
Dec 01 14:02:14 <blau> and no exceptions were apparently being thrown
Dec 01 14:10:17 <blau1> made my first business oriented g1 app
Dec 01 14:10:27 <blau1> think its a good/bad idea to charge for it?
Dec 01 14:10:55 <cutmasta> blau1, make a free "light" version
Dec 01 14:10:57 <cutmasta> and a pro
Dec 01 14:11:17 <cutmasta> disable the killer feature in the light
Dec 01 14:11:22 <cutmasta> :)
Dec 01 14:12:25 <blau1> good idea
Dec 01 14:12:31 <blau1> anyone play around with xml preferences?
Dec 01 14:15:22 <mpardo> i use xml prefs
Dec 01 14:15:33 <blau1> i actually forgot what i had to ask about it lol
Dec 01 14:15:39 <blau1> i had it in the back of my mind for like a week
Dec 01 14:15:46 <blau1> i was having some issue with launching activities
Dec 01 14:15:56 <mpardo> from xml prefs?
Dec 01 14:16:01 <blau1> yeah
Dec 01 14:16:15 <mpardo> not really what xml prefs is there for
Dec 01 14:16:28 <mpardo> if you want to do that you should make a prefs activity
Dec 01 14:17:14 <blau1> I got a preferenceActivity that does addpreferencesfromresource, is that not the standard way to load xml prefs?
Dec 01 14:17:54 <mpardo> you're doing it correctly
Dec 01 14:18:10 <mpardo> you can do prefs two ways
Dec 01 14:18:17 <mpardo> one by building it with xml
Dec 01 14:18:32 <mpardo> and another by creating an activity with prefs controls
Dec 01 14:19:12 <mpardo> building by xml is for most prefs, but I'm not sure you can start an intent from xml prefs
Dec 01 14:20:07 <blau1>         <PreferenceScreen                android:title="Donation" android:summary="Click to donate via my Amazon.com donation page.">
Dec 01 14:20:07 <blau1>             <intent android:action="android.intent.action.VIEW" android:data="http://zme.amazon.com/exec/varzea/pay/T2HQ6EG06THFHE"?/</PreferenceScreen>
Dec 01 14:20:26 <blau1> that opens up the webbrowser
Dec 01 14:21:30 <mpardo> not sure why you would want to do it that way
Dec 01 14:22:32 <blau1> less code?
Dec 01 14:23:44 <mpardo> hmmmm and that doesn't work?
Dec 01 14:24:39 <blau1> that works
Dec 01 14:24:50 <blau1> i forgot why i needed help, lol
Dec 01 14:24:55 <blau1> sigh
Dec 01 14:25:12 <blau1> it was an issue i had last week, and i didnt have internet until this morning
Dec 01 14:25:28 <mpardo> ah ok
Dec 01 14:32:23 <blau1> any suggestions on the best way to handle automatic resending of failed sms messages from my app?
Dec 01 14:33:58 <mpardo> i would approach that like this probably...
Dec 01 14:34:07 <KNY> blau1, while(true){if(sendSMS()){ break;}}
Dec 01 14:34:08 <KNY> :)
Dec 01 14:34:30 <mpardo> texts are stored in sqllite with a "send" field
Dec 01 14:34:33 <Disconnect> blau1: doesn't the sms app handle resending automatically?
Dec 01 14:35:07 <mpardo> start a service on send that empties the queue
Dec 01 14:35:21 <dr34mc0d3r> my 2 g1's are comming in today.....
Dec 01 14:35:23 <dr34mc0d3r> yea...
Dec 01 14:35:30 <blau1> disc: its for my app that sends sms's
Dec 01 14:35:36 <blau1> not the actually messaging app
Dec 01 14:35:47 <blau1> im working on a forwarder, auto responder
Dec 01 14:36:08 <blau1> or can I make the SMS app send a message? I'd prefer that, but noone seemed to know last week
Dec 01 14:37:04 <KNY> blau1, couldn't you look how the Messaging app does it?
Dec 01 14:37:07 <Disconnect> for the record, i hate vmware. "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 11s!"
Dec 01 14:37:20 <KNY> virtualbox > vmware
Dec 01 14:37:29 <blau1> kny: yeah dont have the source with me though
Dec 01 14:37:49 <blau1> good idea though, ill look when i get home
Dec 01 14:37:50 <Disconnect> KNY: not for enterprise scale virtualization. although kvm > vmware and we're slowly converting :)
Dec 01 14:38:21 <Disconnect> (and even desktop stuff.. for win32 vmware is much better and for linux xen or kvm is better - cooperative is better than full any day)
Dec 01 14:42:07 <marix_g1> hey guts
Dec 01 14:42:27 <marix_g1> guys even
Dec 01 14:47:36 <mpardo> has anyone seen a good example of an OpenGL game loop?
Dec 01 14:58:37 <blau1> what are simple solutions to make a pendingintent unique so it does get reused
Dec 01 14:59:09 <mpardo> startactivitywithresult?
Dec 01 14:59:24 <mpardo> er wait no
Dec 01 14:59:29 <blau1> doesnt get reused i meant
Dec 01 14:59:34 <mpardo> you can add a flag to an intent
Dec 01 14:59:57 <mpardo> to start a new activity if none exists
Dec 01 15:00:02 <blau1> extras arent considered data? cause If I add different extras, my pending intent still gets reused
Dec 01 15:00:19 <blau1> If the creating application later re-retrieves the same kind of PendingIntent (same operation, same Intent action, data, categories, and components, and same flags),
Dec 01 15:00:53 <mpardo> ah i see
Dec 01 15:01:14 <blau1> nevermind found it i think
Dec 01 15:01:17 <blau1> im lame :)
Dec 01 15:01:41 <blau1> i think
Dec 01 15:04:51 <DJTachyon> hey all .. hope your holiday weekend went well
Dec 01 15:06:51 <blau1> thanks
Dec 01 15:06:56 <mpardo> has anyone seen a good example of an OpenGL game loop?
Dec 01 15:07:53 <synalx> does the android have GLUT?
Dec 01 15:07:58 <synalx> *does android xD
Dec 01 15:11:03 <mpardo> dunno
Dec 01 15:12:40 <mpardo> nope
Dec 01 15:16:38 <blau1> the android!
Dec 01 15:16:53 <DJTachyon> anybody want to test something for me? :)
Dec 01 15:17:04 <DJTachyon> http://www.djtachyon.com/android/Android-QR-Geek.png
Dec 01 15:17:16 <DJTachyon> Scan that with the barcode scanner app in your G1 :)
Dec 01 15:17:23 <blau1> almost done with my sms forwarder responder
Dec 01 15:17:50 <DJTachyon> I am going to put that on a T-Shirt :)
Dec 01 15:18:46 <blau1> dj: which app, i tried compare everywhere
Dec 01 15:18:48 <armooo> DJTachyon: "Google Android Geek"
Dec 01 15:18:54 <DJTachyon> :)
Dec 01 15:19:00 <DJTachyon> good idea?
Dec 01 15:19:33 <DJTachyon> just the "Barcode Scanner" app
Dec 01 15:19:43 <blau1> oh
Dec 01 15:19:57 <blau1> i wanna get shirts with funny barcodes now
Dec 01 15:20:07 <blau1> i wish barcode scanner apps were more prevalent
Dec 01 15:20:57 <DJTachyon> I want to print out a sticker with my phone number embedded and put it in the hidden part of the slide out
Dec 01 15:21:19 <DJTachyon> Or maybe a text message embedded with my number and my name in the message
Dec 01 15:22:34 <DJTachyon> http://qrcode.kaywa.com/
Dec 01 15:22:39 <DJTachyon> code generator
Dec 01 15:24:05 <DJTachyon> anyway back to work
Dec 01 15:28:06 <mikey|> hello all, has anyone else come across this bug in the g1 browser:
Dec 01 15:28:32 <mikey|> when you auth to a site which uses .htpasswd, it logs you in, loads the page and asks again for the uname and pass
Dec 01 15:33:08 <blau1> havent seen that
Dec 01 15:34:12 <mikey|> hmm
Dec 01 15:34:26 <mikey|> i'll set up a temp folder and try it again
Dec 01 15:34:41 * mikey| goes off to find something to eat
Dec 01 15:43:19 <marix_g1> anything new in the world of android?
Dec 01 15:43:29 <Delvien> so why does google nor allow auto rotate?
Dec 01 15:43:36 <Delvien> not*
Dec 01 15:43:38 <Disconnect> "allow"?
Dec 01 15:43:50 <mpardo> has anyone seen a good example of an OpenGL game loop?
Dec 01 15:44:17 <Delvien> Disconnect: its possible but you have to have root to do it.
Dec 01 15:44:40 <Disconnect> mpardo: no but i'm sure if you ask another couple dozen times someone will eventually respond.
Dec 01 15:44:58 <Kizoomer121> I want to show an indeterminate progress bar while my activity loads some info from a web feed. I have got it to show the circular progress bar, however it doesn't spin. It just stays still until the content loads, before disappearing. Do I have to load this into some sort of thread? Right now, I;m simply using requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_INDETERMINATE_PROGRESS);  and    setProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility(true);
Dec 01 15:45:00 <mpardo> i'm sure someone might as people come and go
Dec 01 15:45:22 <marix_g1> i guess the feature was shelved after users complained
Dec 01 15:45:22 <marix_g1> or beta testers rather
Dec 01 15:45:44 <Disconnect> mpardo: no, probably not. first, the dev channel is #android-dev. and second, chances are much better on a mailing list.
Dec 01 15:46:18 <Delvien> Disconnect: is there something i dont know? Auto rotate is possible with the g1.. wonder why it wasnt a feature
Dec 01 15:46:25 <Disconnect> considering how many apps lose their place, crash or otherwise get violent when you change orientation I can't imagine it being very popular.
Dec 01 15:46:46 <mikey|> Kizoomer121: maybe you need to run it in a new thread
Dec 01 15:46:47 <blau1> its sloppy
Dec 01 15:47:07 <blau1> autorotate, that is
Dec 01 15:47:13 <marix_g1> disconnect,  thanks for the awesome bluetooth tethering,  any chance of a wireless version with dhcp?
Dec 01 15:47:18 <blau1> even on the iphone
Dec 01 15:47:31 <Delvien> Disconnect: there is vert little if any qualty contorl with the market apps i can see what you ar saying
Dec 01 15:48:10 <Disconnect> marix_g1: its written and posted to garret. just waiting for JesusFreke to roll it up and release. (well, that and for someone to test hciattach at faster speeds)
Dec 01 15:48:26 <Delvien> sorry for the typos typing from my g1. big fingers
Dec 01 15:49:06 <mikey|> Kizoomer121: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/243
Dec 01 15:51:44 <marix_g1> anyone on 3g,  what kind of ping latency are you getting?
Dec 01 15:52:09 <Delvien> Disconnect: have you figured out a easy way of tethering bluetooth to data access?
Dec 01 15:53:03 <Disconnect> Delvien: yes. http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 or http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/518
Dec 01 15:53:10 <anno^da_> Are there some news available when it will be possible to install applications on the micro sd card?
Dec 01 15:53:28 <Disconnect> anno^da_: check the roadmap
Dec 01 15:53:40 <Delvien> Disconnect: i bought an invisishield btw works great thanks for the suggestion
Dec 01 15:53:48 <Disconnect> cool :) did you use my link?
Dec 01 15:54:04 <anno^da_> Disconnect: I'm checking now. :-)
Dec 01 15:54:07 <anno^da_> Thank you.
Dec 01 15:54:09 <ttuttle> Disconnect: You should put your link in the topic ;-)
Dec 01 15:54:29 <Disconnect> ttuttle: i'd rather see #android-dev and "no root access" in the topic personally.
Dec 01 15:55:08 <Disconnect> maybe jbq can do that :) (topic update, mention #android-dev)
Dec 01 15:55:09 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Heh.
Dec 01 15:55:20 <Leeds> cbeust certainly can
Dec 01 15:55:23 <Delvien> Disconnect: i dont have root : (
Dec 01 15:55:27 <jbq> I'm not op here.
Dec 01 15:55:54 <Disconnect> Delvien: then there is no decent tethering. although someone did build a native socksd that is reported to be faster (dunno if it has a java wrapper)
Dec 01 15:56:36 <Delvien> Disconnect: but tetherbot through usb works without root aye?
Dec 01 15:57:41 <blau1> ne1 use pocket budget droid?
Dec 01 15:57:57 <Delvien> im new to android so sorry for my noobish q's
Dec 01 15:58:08 <blau1> delv: dont worry
Dec 01 15:58:43 <anno^da_> Disconnect: If this is the roadmap you meant: http://source.android.com/roadmap  - I cant find anything on installing apps on the sd card
Dec 01 15:58:52 <Disconnect> ..well there you go then.
Dec 01 16:00:59 <Handcrafted> When will there come unicode input support in Android? And how are they going to tackel it?
Dec 01 16:01:40 <jbq> Handcrafted: what do you mean specifically? It's already possible to input non-ASCII characters on the G1.
Dec 01 16:02:02 <Handcrafted> unicode =/= ASCII
Dec 01 16:02:16 <Handcrafted> Try to make æ ø å on Android
Dec 01 16:02:35 <jbq> lemme pull my G1
Dec 01 16:02:57 <Handcrafted> It could be on a for æ, å and o for ø
Dec 01 16:05:03 <jbq> I don't know where all the characters are on the default keymap, but I can input a variety of non-ASCII characters, like ç or á
Dec 01 16:06:12 <blau1> grr
Dec 01 16:06:21 <blau1> i still cant get pending intent to work as i intend
Dec 01 16:06:38 <Handcrafted> The emulator can't take input from æ, ø or å
Dec 01 16:06:54 <mikey|> hmm..almost 24 hrs since last charge, with moderate usage of wifi, phone and text, and battery at 39%
Dec 01 16:07:15 <Handcrafted> Yes, that's normal on new phones
Dec 01 16:07:17 <jbq> Handcrafted: I'll admit that the keymap seems to be pretty limited on the G1, but as far as i understand that's more a limitation of the way Android is ported on the G1 than about Android itself.
Dec 01 16:07:43 <mikey|> i think i can safely say draining the battery fully and fully charging it worked as expected
Dec 01 16:08:04 <mikey|> battery life was very poor on the day i got it
Dec 01 16:08:34 <jbq> Handcrafted: that being said, once there's an input framework in place with a public API, it should be possible for 3rd-party developers to add input methods to enter arbitrary characters.
Dec 01 16:08:49 <Handcrafted> jbq: True, but I hope they do some serious work on that part, Like if you hold symbol or a letter. A popup will let you chose a letter
Dec 01 16:09:38 <dr34mc0d3r> is it true - HTC including a headphone adapter with new G1 purchases? http://www.androidauthority.com/index.php/2008/11/21/t-mobile-g1-selling-with-a-35mm-headphone-adapter/
Dec 01 16:10:15 <anno^da_> Yeah  this is true ;)
Dec 01 16:10:21 <anno^da_> dr34mc0d3r
Dec 01 16:10:37 <jbq> Once the bleeding edge of Android is open-sourced, you'll be able to see what's in there with regard to input methods.
Dec 01 16:12:54 <Leeds> jbq: and that'll be soon, right?
Dec 01 16:13:32 <jbq> Leeds: it's currently scheduled to happen by the end of the quarter.
Dec 01 16:13:42 <jbq> (as per the public roadmap)
Dec 01 16:13:55 <mikey|> jbq: are you part of the android dev team?
Dec 01 16:14:03 <Leeds> until it slips :-P
Dec 01 16:14:04 <jbq> mikey|: yes, I am.
Dec 01 16:14:14 <Handcrafted> Woohoo, Python and C++ on Android are the two porjects I'm most exited 'bout!
Dec 01 16:14:19 <Handcrafted> projects*
Dec 01 16:14:23 <mikey|> jbq: anything you can tell us about allowing apk installs to sdcards?
Dec 01 16:14:39 <Handcrafted> Disconnect: If this is the roadmap you meant: http://source.android.com/roadmap  - I cant find anything on installing apps on the sd card
Dec 01 16:14:50 <Leeds> it's not as simple as you think it is
Dec 01 16:15:11 <jbq> Well, now it's open-sourced, so anyone can be a member of the team. I'm an approver (right in the middle of the ladder).
Dec 01 16:15:34 <jbq> About apps on SD card: it's something that many people want, it's also a hard feature to implement because of its sheer complexity.
Dec 01 16:15:35 <Disconnect> Handcrafted: that might be a sign they aren't ready to commit to a date.
Dec 01 16:15:54 <Disconnect> or that there isn't any news.
Dec 01 16:16:15 <Handcrafted> Disconnect: Sorry it wasn't meant to refer to you, I was just a mere repost :)
Dec 01 16:16:38 <jbq> At this point it's too early to commit to a date indeed, for a variety of reasons.
Dec 01 16:17:14 <Handcrafted> jbq: How does Android load apps into the OS registry?
Dec 01 16:17:37 <Handcrafted> If you know
Dec 01 16:17:47 <jbq> Handcrafted: I'm not quite sure (I didn't work on that code).
Dec 01 16:18:05 <Handcrafted> okay
Dec 01 16:18:20 <jbq> I guess you could start to trace it in the source tree from here: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/PackageInstaller.git;a=summary
Dec 01 16:18:28 <joakime> Handcrafted, if you hold down the 'a' in the emulator you get a pick list of accented letters - à á â ä æ ã å
Dec 01 16:18:43 <Handcrafted> *tries*
Dec 01 16:18:49 <tethridge> is there a way to see the status of various features under development.  For example, I'd like to see how the on screen keyboard functionality is coming along without looking at source code.
Dec 01 16:18:58 <tethridge> maybe a project page?
Dec 01 16:19:48 <jbq> tethridge: the roadmap is the only status at this point.
Dec 01 16:20:55 <jbq> That being said, for a feature of that complexity where the roadmap only leaves 4 months before the release, you can safely bet that some significant work has been done on the implementation.
Dec 01 16:21:25 <blau1> i need a logo
Dec 01 16:23:15 <offby1> urrent
Dec 01 16:23:15 <offby1> Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
Dec 01 16:23:15 <offby1> 100   155  100   155    0     0    740      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--     0
Dec 01 16:23:15 <offby1> 19:56:57 [erich@debian bot]$ file /tmp/wotzit
Dec 01 16:23:20 <offby1> /tmp/wotzit: HTML document text
Dec 01 16:23:23 <offby1> 19:57:01 [erich@debian bot]$ curl http://github.com/tarballs/offby1-rudybot-1f369441eb4687fc40d8ed3bd\
Dec 01 16:23:23 <offby1> 1ef1411d5503969.tar.gz > /tmp/wotzit
Dec 01 16:23:28 <offby1> % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
Dec 01 16:23:31 <offby1> Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
Dec 01 16:23:34 <offby1> 100  4087  100  4087    0     0  11439      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 53620
Dec 01 16:23:35 <offby1> 19:57:20 [erich@debian bot]$ file /tmp/wotzit
Dec 01 16:23:38 <offby1> offby1` on #android (+cnt,lag:0) Open Source Release: http://source.android.com/ | Android Market is n
Dec 01 16:23:45 <offby1> <Leeds> until it slips :-P                                                                 [08:14]
Dec 01 16:23:49 <offby1> <jbq> mikey|: yes, I am.
Dec 01 16:23:52 <joakime> rut roh.
Dec 01 16:23:52 <offby1> <Handcrafted> Woohoo, Python and C++ on Android are the two porjects I'm most exited 'bout!
Dec 01 16:23:55 <offby1> <Handcrafted> projects*
Dec 01 16:23:58 <offby1> <mikey|> jbq: anything you can tell us about allowing apk installs to sdcards?
Dec 01 16:24:02 <offby1> <Handcrafted> Disconnect: If this is the roadmap you meant: http://source.android.com/roadmap  -
Dec 01 16:24:05 <offby1> I cant find anything on installing apps on the sd card
Dec 01 16:24:05 <mikey|> ...
Dec 01 16:24:08 <offby1> <Leeds> it's not as simple as you think it is
Dec 01 16:24:08 <offby1> <jbq> Well, now it's open-sourced, so anyone can be a member of the team. I'm an approver (right
Dec 01 16:24:11 <offby1> in the middle of the ladder).                                                        [08:15]
Dec 01 16:24:15 <offby1> <jbq> About apps on SD card: it's something that many people want, it's also a hard feature to
Dec 01 16:24:19 <offby1> implement because of its sheer complexity.
Dec 01 16:24:22 <offby1> <Disconnect> Handcrafted: that might be a sign they aren't ready to commit to a date.
Dec 01 16:24:25 <offby1> <Disconnect> or that there isn't any news.
Dec 01 16:24:28 <offby1> <Handcrafted> Disconnect: Sorry it wasn't meant to refer to you, I was just a mere re-post :)
Dec 01 16:24:30 <offby1> [08:16]
Dec 01 16:24:31 <zhobbs> deja vu
Dec 01 16:24:33 <offby1> crap, sorry for flood
Dec 01 16:24:35 <offby1> hit one wrong mouse button :0-(
Dec 01 16:24:41 <geist> nice!
Dec 01 16:24:43 * offby1 checks for leaked passwords, pr0n URLs, etc
Dec 01 16:26:43 <blau1> lol
Dec 01 16:26:52 <joakime> Handcrafted, any luck?
Dec 01 16:27:11 <Handcrafted> *happy*
Dec 01 16:27:31 <Handcrafted> Ehh, is there a way to some using the keyboard on the map
Dec 01 16:27:46 <Handcrafted> zoom
Dec 01 16:28:06 <blau1> try all the buttons?
Dec 01 16:29:46 <Handcrafted> okay, menu+z
Dec 01 16:34:49 <blau1> just uploaded new app!
Dec 01 16:34:51 <blau1> dgAway
Dec 01 16:35:32 <Disconnect> does it turn on autoaway announcements in the channel? :)
Dec 01 16:35:51 <blau1> lol no
Dec 01 16:36:01 <blau1> lets you autorespond via text to calls and other text messages
Dec 01 16:36:12 <blau1> and/or forward call alerts or text messages to another number
Dec 01 16:38:31 <blau1> stupid noobs and their first posts
Dec 01 16:46:56 <tauno> coding in J2ME for a few days is quite refreshing :) I can go to sleep again without seeing the android logo all night long (it is now replaced by various lines of bit shifting/preprocessing code in my dreams)
Dec 01 16:52:22 <DJTachyon> Awesome, Cafe Press has decent hoodies now
Dec 01 16:53:11 <Delvien> orly
Dec 01 16:53:15 <DJTachyon> http://www.cafepress.com/DJTachyonQR
Dec 01 16:53:36 <DJTachyon> almost as expensive as Zazzle tho
Dec 01 16:54:39 <blau1> crap thats an expensive hoodie
Dec 01 16:54:59 <DJTachyon> Not really ..
Dec 01 16:55:14 <Delvien> 45 dollars.... LOL
Dec 01 16:55:19 <DJTachyon> compared to the rest of the "designer market"
Dec 01 16:55:28 <blau1> cafe press makes designer hoodies?
Dec 01 16:55:43 <DJTachyon> i thought cafe press was designer by nature ;)
Dec 01 16:56:50 <DJTachyon> http://www.zazzle.com/android_black_hoodie_shirt-235770830718390093
Dec 01 16:57:13 <tauno> ah.. land of the cheap clothes I see.. if you say that $45 for a hoodie is expensive..
Dec 01 16:57:37 <DJTachyon> heh yea .. cant remember when i paid less than $50 for a hoddie
Dec 01 16:57:40 <DJTachyon> hoodie*
Dec 01 16:57:53 <DJTachyon> then again i dont shop at walmart :P
Dec 01 16:58:15 <tauno> well at least you have the option to buy them chep :)
Dec 01 16:58:19 <tauno> cheap*
Dec 01 16:58:40 <DJTachyon> well .. i stand corrected, this was the last one i bought: http://www.backcountry.com/store/OAK1943/Oakley-Static-Skulls-Full-Zip-Hoody-Mens.html
Dec 01 16:59:46 <blau1> i paid 28$ for a target hoodie
Dec 01 16:59:55 <blau1> lol
Dec 01 17:00:10 <DJTachyon> yikes :P
Dec 01 17:00:48 <DJTachyon> i am having fun with these QR codes :P
Dec 01 17:01:26 <blau1> i think it was this in white http://www.target.com/C9-Champion-Zip-Hooded-Fleece/dp/B001GIHO7W/sr=1-9/qid=1228150851/ref=sr_1_9/186-9566824-0585128?ie=UTF8&index=target&rh=k:champion%20hoodie&page=1
Dec 01 17:01:31 <blau1> but you cant see the pattern
Dec 01 17:03:52 <dr34mc0d3r> is there a video player on the G1 ?
Dec 01 17:03:58 <DJTachyon> yes just download it
Dec 01 17:04:02 <dr34mc0d3r> what video formats are supported?
Dec 01 17:04:16 <DJTachyon> a couple .. but H.264 is recommended
Dec 01 17:04:26 <DJTachyon> until VLC gets ported ;)
Dec 01 17:04:43 <dr34mc0d3r> so i can download a video player from the market?
Dec 01 17:04:47 <DJTachyon> yeah
Dec 01 17:04:48 <zhobbs> H.264 and H.263, but H.264 is hardware accelerated so that's the best way
Dec 01 17:04:57 <dr34mc0d3r> ahh
Dec 01 17:05:27 <DJTachyon> I have a how-to for encoding on my site
Dec 01 17:05:34 <dr34mc0d3r> url?
Dec 01 17:05:43 <blau1> oh god the idiots on the market
Dec 01 17:05:52 <DJTachyon> http://www.djtachyon.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=1
Dec 01 17:05:55 <dr34mc0d3r> k
Dec 01 17:05:58 <DJTachyon> yeah i hate the tards on the market
Dec 01 17:06:00 <blau1> obviously, not even close to first post "1st.... " 3 stars
Dec 01 17:06:08 <blau1> then after that
Dec 01 17:06:50 <blau1> "1st call me up or text me 6195654688"
Dec 01 17:06:56 <blau1> 2 stars
Dec 01 17:07:01 <DJTachyon> lol
Dec 01 17:07:14 <blau1> you obviously havent even tried the app, why are you giving me two stars, saying your first when theres 6 reviews under you
Dec 01 17:07:19 <blau1> and posting your phone number to the market
Dec 01 17:07:31 <blau1> sigh
Dec 01 17:09:04 <DJTachyon> should be able to vote reviews
Dec 01 17:09:16 <blau1> cant wait for the reviews "1 star, i dont even have an android phone, im just using one in a tmobile store"
Dec 01 17:09:36 <tauno> comments should only be allowed after you have installed the app and there are more than x minutes since you first launched the app.. but it will never be such a perfect world :)
Dec 01 17:10:20 <blau1> i really really dont understand how g1 central has such a great rating
Dec 01 17:10:55 <blau1> its cool its awesome, but i cant believe that enough people know how to use it
Dec 01 17:11:13 <dr34mc0d3r> are you guys irc from your phones? is there an irc client for the G1?
Dec 01 17:11:51 <blau1> theres a few floating around, not in the market
Dec 01 17:11:56 <blau1> and theres some ajax ones
Dec 01 17:11:58 <blau1> mibbit is one
Dec 01 17:12:03 <dr34mc0d3r> my 2 G1's will arrive ups early this week - i cant wait....
Dec 01 17:14:20 <blau1> still no killer games for android
Dec 01 17:14:24 <mikey|> google for ircbeta.apk
Dec 01 17:14:42 <DJTachyon> yea i heard about the irc client
Dec 01 17:15:16 <mikey|> im working on one but its a uni project hehe
Dec 01 17:28:56 <blau1> sweet a ton of positive reviews
Dec 01 17:29:12 <blau1> now if only the donations would pile in
Dec 01 17:30:28 <DJTachyon> which app is this?
Dec 01 17:30:49 <blau1> dgAway
Dec 01 17:31:04 <DJTachyon> whats it do?
Dec 01 17:31:38 <DJTachyon> i dont have reception at work
Dec 01 17:31:39 <blau1> auto respond to txt messages, forward txts to another number, auto respond to calls, send call alerts to another number
Dec 01 17:31:53 <blau1> i made it cause when i travel for work i cant bring my camera phone in
Dec 01 17:31:58 <DJTachyon> well the call forwarding it all built in
Dec 01 17:31:59 <blau1> and i have 2 lines
Dec 01 17:32:16 <DJTachyon> never tried text messages
Dec 01 17:32:28 <blau1> i forgot about call forwarding being on with tmobile
Dec 01 17:32:33 <blau1> sprint it still costs extra
Dec 01 17:32:44 <DJTachyon> any sim card phone supports it i think
Dec 01 17:32:51 <blau1> but it still has soem valid usage, i should probably add a toggle for forwarding
Dec 01 17:33:04 <blau1> the forwarding only works for calls though
Dec 01 17:33:05 <DJTachyon> "Settings->Call Settings"
Dec 01 17:33:07 <DJTachyon> ah
Dec 01 17:33:10 <Disconnect> with tmob it costs double minutes :(
Dec 01 17:33:21 <Disconnect> even though its handled far upstream of the towers
Dec 01 17:33:40 <DJTachyon> heh
Dec 01 17:33:41 <blau1> sometimes texts are even better though anyway
Dec 01 17:34:18 <DJTachyon> i am still getting by with the 400 texts so far
Dec 01 17:34:29 <Disconnect> can it forward incoming sms/mms to email?
Dec 01 17:34:29 <blau1> ahh
Dec 01 17:34:42 <blau1> disc: no but thats something ill look into
Dec 01 17:35:00 <blau1> disc: i can do it quickly if you can find me a simple way to send emails
Dec 01 17:35:08 <dr34mc0d3r> blau1got a website?
Dec 01 17:35:11 <DJTachyon> i still think my cable company is cool for forwarding voice mails to email
Dec 01 17:35:25 <blau1> http://android.mikedg.com its a work in progress
Dec 01 17:35:30 <DJTachyon> too bad the G1 doesnt have the audio codec neccesary
Dec 01 17:35:45 <Disconnect> blau1: is there an easy way to say "hey gmail, sned this to there with subject foo"?
Dec 01 17:36:03 <blau1> disc: thats what i want :)
Dec 01 17:36:15 <blau1> theres gotta be something that simple
Dec 01 17:36:54 <DJTachyon> gmail(file_t file, string_t address)
Dec 01 17:36:55 <DJTachyon> :P
Dec 01 17:36:56 <blau1> i dont see a permission though
Dec 01 17:37:36 <blau1> id like something that lets me send the txt thru the sms app
Dec 01 17:37:47 <blau1> too
Dec 01 17:37:54 <blau1> so you have a record of exactly what was sent
Dec 01 17:51:38 <paulproteus> Is it at all feasible to buy a new G1 today and root it?
Dec 01 17:52:27 <jasta> paulproteus: feasible?  of course.
Dec 01 17:53:02 <jasta> however there are no known root exploits for RC30
Dec 01 17:53:12 <paulproteus> And all phones I buy in a store would be RC30?
Dec 01 17:53:36 <jasta> well, not necessarily
Dec 01 17:53:43 <jasta> the phones wont update themselves in the box
Dec 01 17:54:02 <jasta> so you'd need to find one that was shipped prior to RC30
Dec 01 17:54:27 <paulproteus> And then "all" you'd need to do is turn it on without a SIM, type things onto the keyboard that takes advantage of the terminal duplication into the root shell, and then activate it.
Dec 01 17:54:48 <jasta> activate it?
Dec 01 17:56:03 <paulproteus> There's some Google Accounts sign-in thing you have to do before you can use it, I understand.
Dec 01 17:56:04 <Disconnect> ..or skip all that and just install the hacked recovery image and an alternative rc30 (such as JesusFreke's). -eventually- a phone will autoupdate, but it doesn't do it as soon as it's turned on. it will ask a couple times first.
Dec 01 17:56:13 <paulproteus> Oh, that's a relief.
Dec 01 17:56:57 <jasta> paulproteus: you couldn't do the sign-in to goolge accounts without a sim.  it wouldnt connect to any network.
Dec 01 17:57:29 <zhobbs> jasta: he's saying that you can access the shell on those screens because of the bug that pipes everything to the shell
Dec 01 17:57:35 <paulproteus> Right, what I was thinking was that the phone would upgrade itself automatically.
Dec 01 17:57:47 <jasta> paulproteus: no, it doesnt upgrade automatically
Dec 01 17:57:51 <paulproteus> But if the phone is pre-RC30, and it will ask me before upgrading, then I'm home free.
Dec 01 17:58:01 <paulproteus> I wonder if those are impossibly rare nowadays in stores.
Dec 01 17:58:17 * zhobbs is pissed that he got tired of the RC30 update message and updated....
Dec 01 17:59:16 <jasta> i still have RC29, but im not sure why im holding out :)
Dec 01 18:00:12 <jasta> tethering seems compelling, though i have no immediate use for it.  also, i would be surprised if google was never planning to support tethering properly
Dec 01 18:00:32 <paulproteus> Tethering is my primary interest, yeah.
Dec 01 18:00:40 <Disconnect> 29-30 fixes a webkit bug as well as the console problem. (or, 29 -> jf-30 fixes a webkit bug)
Dec 01 18:00:47 <ttuttle> jasta: There's no point in Google supporting tethering on the G1, as T-Mo would make them disable it.
Dec 01 18:00:56 <paulproteus> But in general I'd way rather have a portable computer where I have a root shell than not.
Dec 01 18:01:02 <paulproteus> Turns out you can't buy one in a store in this city I'm in, anyway.
Dec 01 18:01:11 <jasta> ttuttle: hmm, wasn't sure about T-Mobile's policy...
Dec 01 18:01:51 <Nafai> paulproteus: Yeah, I had to order my G1 from T-mobile headquarters
Dec 01 18:01:55 <zhobbs> jasta: being able to do little hacks and stuff sounds interesting to me ( things like http://www.droidsans.com/droidsans-tweak-tools )
Dec 01 18:02:02 <jasta> you could totally just develop a proxy app in user space couldnt you?
Dec 01 18:02:02 <synalx> Disconnect had tethering working on an rc30 g1
Dec 01 18:02:03 <Disconnect> ttuttle: according to tmob interviews they won't do diddly about it either way. (i kinda agree that their actual response is likely to be different, but who knows. they have - sorta - surprised me already with the g1.)
Dec 01 18:02:03 <zhobbs> jasta: but I'm RC30...
Dec 01 18:02:55 <Disconnect> ttuttle: wanna test something for me real quick?
Dec 01 18:03:34 <jasta> can't you just associate over wi-fi, and then provide an android service which implements a SOCKS proxy?
Dec 01 18:03:41 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Maybe.
Dec 01 18:03:44 <ttuttle> jasta: Yes, you could.
Dec 01 18:03:51 <ttuttle> jasta: And it's perhaps a better approach.
Dec 01 18:04:07 <bradleyy> I just want root so i can use a pptp vpn client
Dec 01 18:04:09 <jasta> that's all i meant by "supporting it".  i would of course want to tether using bluetooth instead of wifi, so the bluetooth apis need to open up
Dec 01 18:04:24 <bradleyy> no way to do that without google adding it or having root
Dec 01 18:04:26 <Delvien> is there any way to email a sound file?
Dec 01 18:04:30 <Disconnect> ttuttle: erm, the standard way to tether a cellphone is with PAN or (older) DUN. faked up wifi stuff -works- but its hardly "a better approach".
Dec 01 18:04:32 <bradleyy> would like tethering, too
Dec 01 18:04:32 <ttuttle> jasta: I think they're working on Bluetooth... they just didn't want to get stuck with a crummy and/or insecure API because they didn't have time to do it well.
Dec 01 18:04:48 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Yeah.  DUN is  usually what I use.
Dec 01 18:04:52 <jasta> ttuttle: right, but thats what i was implying :)
Dec 01 18:04:57 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Faked up wifi, though, is better from a security standpoint.
Dec 01 18:05:01 <ttuttle> Disconnect: What did you want me to test?
Dec 01 18:05:05 <jasta> i think the SOCKS approach sounds much tidier
Dec 01 18:05:15 <Delvien> is there any way to email a sound file?
Dec 01 18:05:25 <Disconnect> ttuttle: but in any case. what I'd like testing on is modifying hciattach to use higher baud rates, see what hte max is on the chip (fix the 70k bw limit. and i suspect a2dp will depend on it as well.)
Dec 01 18:05:25 <ttuttle> Delvien: Don't repeat yourself.
Dec 01 18:05:29 <ttuttle> Delvien: If anyone knows, they'll say.
Dec 01 18:05:41 <ttuttle> Disconnect: How do I test this?
Dec 01 18:05:58 <Delvien> weir this channel iosnt updating
Dec 01 18:06:01 <ttuttle> Delvien: What does "weir" mean?
Dec 01 18:06:18 <Delvien> .
Dec 01 18:06:33 <Delvien> is there any way to email a sound file?
Dec 01 18:06:38 <Disconnect> ttuttle: its in init.trout.rc: /system/bin/hciattach -n -s 115200 /dev/ttyMSM0 texas 115200 flow
Dec 01 18:06:40 <ttuttle> Delvien: STOP ASKING THAT OVER AND OVER!
Dec 01 18:06:58 <ttuttle> Delvien: If someone knows, they will answer you.  You've asked three times already.
Dec 01 18:07:02 <jbq> easy, ttuttle
Dec 01 18:07:03 <Disconnect> ttuttle: clearly he can't see what people are typing. its like not speaking english - yelling won't help :)
Dec 01 18:07:19 <ttuttle> jbq: *grumble*
Dec 01 18:07:35 <Delvien> ttuttle: it was not showing that i even said it.. thought i was disconnected
Dec 01 18:07:47 <ttuttle> Delvien: Ah.  Sorry.
Dec 01 18:08:07 <ttuttle> Delvien: As far as I know you can only email pictures.
Dec 01 18:08:15 <cmonex> jesus wtf limitation is that?
Dec 01 18:08:17 <cmonex> :)
Dec 01 18:08:19 <Delvien> had to leave and re-join :)
Dec 01 18:08:56 <Delvien> ttuttle: i can text audio but not email. weird
Dec 01 18:09:40 <bradleyy> Delvien: you're seeing the inadequacy of the default email program
Dec 01 18:09:41 <ttuttle> Delvien: strange.
Dec 01 18:09:47 <Delvien> ttuttle:  cmonex  that  is a strange limitation. but i can only guess because of the no drm
Dec 01 18:09:53 <bradleyy> the K-9 project is working to fix much of this stuff
Dec 01 18:10:05 <ttuttle> Delvien: It's not cause of DRM.
Dec 01 18:10:10 <Delvien> is k-9 any good thouigh?
Dec 01 18:10:16 <Delvien> though
Dec 01 18:10:29 <bradleyy> I think so... but I'm one of the developers
Dec 01 18:10:44 <jasta> ttuttle: http://graha.ms/androidproxy/ --f or instance
Dec 01 18:10:58 <bradleyy> it's based on the google client, but we're working to fix the problems, and improve features
Dec 01 18:11:10 <bradleyy> stuff like allowing self-signed certificates
Dec 01 18:11:16 <bradleyy> keyboard shortcuts
Dec 01 18:11:17 <mikey|> say i access an array element and run a method on it, e.g. foo[0].replace(), more then once, should i turn that into a local var? e.g String bar = foo[0]?
Dec 01 18:11:20 <jasta> bradleyy: i'm implementing IMAP IDLE...
Dec 01 18:11:32 <romainguy> bradleyy: and we'd be happy to accept patches :)
Dec 01 18:11:32 <bradleyy> on k-9?
Dec 01 18:11:40 <bradleyy> that would rock
Dec 01 18:11:43 <ttuttle> Delvien: Messaging supports MMS, which includes audio, so they had to do audio. Email/Gmail only support attachments, and the only usefully emailable type of file on the G1 is pictures.
Dec 01 18:11:48 <jasta> bradleyy: no, against the main E-mail app
Dec 01 18:11:49 <romainguy> mikey|: if performance matters, yes
Dec 01 18:11:56 <jasta> also, you guys should use this script and rename your package space:
Dec 01 18:12:06 <ttuttle> Delvien: If there was a standalone sound recorder, you'd likely be able to email audio.
Dec 01 18:12:09 <jasta> http://jasta.dyndns.org/android/
Dec 01 18:12:13 <jasta> err
Dec 01 18:12:17 <jasta> http://jasta.dyndns.org/android/convert-namespace.pl
Dec 01 18:12:29 <Delvien> ttuttle: for an "open" platform. its not very open :P
Dec 01 18:12:33 <mikey|> SqliteInjection.apk
Dec 01 18:12:35 <mikey|> lol
Dec 01 18:13:00 <mikey|> there is a sound recorder
Dec 01 18:13:09 <mikey|> you can find it with anycut
Dec 01 18:13:13 <ttuttle> Delvien: @#$% it, open means you can get the source and add your own apps, not that it magically does everything you need!
Dec 01 18:13:45 <mikey|> romainguy: this is part of something i'm writing for android, would you recommend I make it into a local var?
Dec 01 18:14:02 <romainguy> mikey|: like I said, if performance matters in this piece of code, yes
Dec 01 18:14:06 <jasta> mikey|: that is a demonstration of how to download an externally prepared sqlite3 database into an active ContentProvider.  source is available at http://android-random.googlecode.com
Dec 01 18:15:07 <Disconnect> ttuttle: i'd like to add an app that does bluetooth tethering. except its not open for most of the people here.. (or, better, there are -tons- of people talking abotu fixing the camera driver since google can't be bothered.. but oops, they can't) its hardly an open platform -for developers-. its an open platform -for handset manufacturers- (and in that, its not much different from wm or symbian)
Dec 01 18:15:10 <vijay> hi i just compiled the android source code ..... now i want to compile kernel for the device are there any android patches available? kernel version is 2.6.24
Dec 01 18:16:47 <jasta> vijay: building the source also builds the kernel
Dec 01 18:18:01 <_avatar> so there probably won't be many people interested, but i posted a short video of the app i've been working on the past couple weeks here: http://files.clangen.org/private/autom8.mov ... simple home automation stuff for android
Dec 01 18:18:28 <Ro9u3oR> ok
Dec 01 18:18:42 <Ro9u3oR> anyone have android running on their n800
Dec 01 18:19:14 <jasta> bradleyy: *privmsg*
Dec 01 18:19:58 <vijay> @jasta when is the final binary located i cant seemto find it .........
Dec 01 18:20:06 <vijay> *where
Dec 01 18:21:12 <Disconnect> jasta: i thought building the source just used the prebuilt kernel
Dec 01 18:22:08 <jasta> it might, i haven't actually verified.
Dec 01 18:22:18 <jasta> it does pull down the kernel though, i would not have guessed it doesnt build it
Dec 01 18:24:04 <Disconnect> sigh. anyone know why android-platform is not listed on http://code.google.com/android/groups.html?
Dec 01 18:27:20 <jbq> Disconnect: because that's the site for SDK users, not for platform developers.
Dec 01 18:28:06 <Disconnect> jbq: then something is wrong.. "android-internals: For "hackers" interested in discussing the innards of Android or exploring its use on various hardware."
Dec 01 18:28:29 <jbq> Disconnect: yeah, it should be removed from the list (especially since it's now frozen).
Dec 01 18:28:39 * jbq notifies the right people.
Dec 01 18:28:49 <Disconnect> and fyi android-secuirty-discuss is misspelled
Dec 01 18:29:02 <jbq> lol *sigh* good one.
Dec 01 18:29:24 <Disconnect> lol. c&p error. http://source.android.com/discuss
Dec 01 18:29:42 <jbq> sweet!
Dec 01 18:32:49 <jbq> Disconnect: I've notified the right people. Thanks :)
Dec 01 18:36:14 <tauno> jbq, notify the moderators of android-discuss also.. 4 days and my messages are still somewhere.. missing :)
Dec 01 18:36:21 <DarkriftX> im starting to like apps that have a "quit" or "exit" method
Dec 01 18:38:28 <jbq> morrildl: yt? Can you check tauno's posting problem?
Dec 01 18:40:21 <tauno> you are kidding, jbq, there's really hope for it?
Dec 01 18:40:45 <jbq> tauno: they might have slipped through the cracks.
Dec 01 18:41:23 <jbq> no reply... can you pm me the email address and the subject that you used? I'll relay the info.
Dec 01 18:42:44 <tauno> jbq, thanks a lot
Dec 01 18:50:25 <mikey|> DarkriftX: that was one of my biggest gripes with WM, most apps didnt have an exit option
Dec 01 18:57:47 <tauno>  oh..something new - different classes that use SharedPreferences to communicate between eachother (using .commit() and OnSharedPreferenceChangeListeners)
Dec 01 18:59:00 <synalx> that is weird
Dec 01 18:59:10 <synalx> why would you do that?
Dec 01 18:59:43 <eldenz> is it possible to connect from the emulator to the machine running it? (tcp)
Dec 01 19:00:04 <jbq> tauno: my concern doing that is that it involves persistent storage, so suddenly IO contention shows it ugly head.
Dec 01 19:00:29 <tauno> synalx, I don't know - have to figure it out I guess :|
Dec 01 19:00:46 <jbq> eldenz: yes, it's possible. the host machine is assigned a fixed IP from within the emulator. I think it might be 10.0.2.2, but I'm not sure at all about the specifics.
Dec 01 19:00:58 <eldenz> i will try thanks jpeeler
Dec 01 19:01:01 <eldenz> jpq that is
Dec 01 19:01:48 <tauno>  jbq, indeed.. and it seems theres a lot of inter-class communication going on :/
Dec 01 19:02:24 <eldenz> weeh works thank jbq
Dec 01 19:03:56 <synalx> that would also wear out the SD card no?
Dec 01 19:04:27 <jbq> synalx: that'd probably be the internal flash, but yes, it would put some wear on the flash.
Dec 01 19:14:53 <DarkriftX> mikey|: i know, but at least there were tons of task managers for winmo, android doesnt have any good ones yet
Dec 01 19:15:31 * DarkriftX heads off to work
Dec 01 19:15:58 <blau1> cause you cant really manage tasks
Dec 01 19:16:04 <blau1> and theres really no need to
Dec 01 19:16:10 <blau1> win mo rarely killed apps
Dec 01 19:16:38 <blau1> and let them eat up everything until performance was miserable
Dec 01 19:16:58 <Disconnect> "this task is wedged"/"I want to start this task from scratch". "this task is misbehaving" "i am absolutely done here and would rather let other apps run and reap this one"
Dec 01 19:17:23 <Disconnect> ttuttle: any info on that hciattach test?
Dec 01 19:17:28 <blau1> disc: just backing out basically does all that
Dec 01 19:17:35 <Disconnect> it doesn't tho.
Dec 01 19:17:51 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Haen't had a chance to do it.
Dec 01 19:18:01 <ttuttle> * haven't
Dec 01 19:18:07 <blau1> im more miffed about how my storage space seems to keep dissapearing
Dec 01 19:18:09 <ttuttle> brb
Dec 01 19:18:14 <Disconnect> it leaves stuff running. say i am using the browser, twitdroid and k-9. i want to check the weather ('weather') but then kill it off rather than leaving it running, such that going to the browser does not kill k-9
Dec 01 19:18:44 <DarkriftX> blau1: id like a close on the browser. after a few pages have been viewed, the performance starts to lag badly no matter what google says about androids auto task management
Dec 01 19:18:47 <Disconnect> it disappears cuz the goog-supplied apps all use /data instead of /cache for cache. (and, bonus, suck at reclaiming)
Dec 01 19:19:12 <blau1> disc: is there any way to reclaim it?
Dec 01 19:19:24 <blau1> everytime i free space up by deleting an app, its gone shortly
Dec 01 19:19:34 <blau1> so now im down to a small number of apps and no space
Dec 01 19:19:35 <DarkriftX> ive rebooted, checked cpu usage/avail ram, ran a bunch of stuff and rechecked it. I do not think androids task management is rather beta still
Dec 01 19:19:43 <Disconnect> go into browser, 'empty cache' and then go to /data/data/com.android.browser and remove app_thumbnails/* .. there are some others
Dec 01 19:20:23 <Handcrafted> Are there any torrent downloaders for Android?
Dec 01 19:21:16 <blau1> cant go into data/data without root
Dec 01 19:21:23 <Disconnect> that is correct.
Dec 01 19:21:47 <blau1> tease
Dec 01 19:21:50 <Disconnect> you can go to the app manager and delete app data for browser, but that wipes out history and bookmarks as well (and prefs)
Dec 01 19:21:54 <Surye> Is it a common thing for SMS threads around 700+ messages to hang the G1 everytime Messaging is loaded?
Dec 01 19:22:06 <blau1> surye: messaging app is fucked
Dec 01 19:22:07 <Disconnect> Surye: i've heard of it before from other people
Dec 01 19:22:11 <blau1> if you ever have a big thread
Dec 01 19:22:14 <blau1> it fucks performance forever
Dec 01 19:22:18 <blau1> even if you delete it
Dec 01 19:22:22 <Surye> D:
Dec 01 19:22:32 <Disconnect> sqlite3 can prolly fix the db. if you have root.
Dec 01 19:22:38 <blau1> it helps to delete it, but i swear it never goes back to normal
Dec 01 19:22:54 <blau1> everyone here says its because the listview has some optimization turned off
Dec 01 19:23:21 <Disconnect> blau1: i thought one of the googs got really violent about how that was false?
Dec 01 19:23:32 <blau1> oh, i missed that then
Dec 01 19:23:41 <blau1> as of like thursday thats the story i last heard
Dec 01 19:23:46 <Surye> I want to fix it, I hate deleteing data, and Google should understand that :P
Dec 01 19:24:09 <Disconnect> i want a working wpa2 :(
Dec 01 19:24:10 <blau1> the market keeps getting bigger too
Dec 01 19:24:15 <blau1> how big is everyone elses market app
Dec 01 19:24:21 <Disconnect> yah it caches a bunch of stuff on /data
Dec 01 19:24:28 <Disconnect> the good news is you can remove data without hosing it up afaik
Dec 01 19:24:33 <blau1> and theres no way to clear data though
Dec 01 19:25:47 <Disconnect> neat
Dec 01 19:26:26 <Surye> Also, being able to view an MMS pic full size, and saving it. But I'm sure you've heard it all before.
Dec 01 19:26:46 <blau1> they need to hear it over and over
Dec 01 19:27:03 <Surye> I tried grabbing the Messaging source, but it wouldn't build with the latest SDK, so I couldn't poke around.
Dec 01 19:27:04 <blau1> :)
Dec 01 19:27:22 <Surye> Well, I poked a bit :P
Dec 01 19:27:55 <anno^da_> Disconnect: Isnt the G1 supporting WPA2 ?
Dec 01 19:28:04 <Disconnect> sure. for 15 seconds at a time.
Dec 01 19:28:12 <Surye> My WPA2 works fine >_>
Dec 01 19:28:16 <anno^da_> not really? grrr
Dec 01 19:28:30 <anno^da_> I'm having WPA2 here as well. I will test it tomorrow :-)
Dec 01 19:28:51 <anno^da_> (when the customs office lets me take my G1)
Dec 01 19:30:37 <Surye> It makes me sad that they took away a bunch of features (like accessing the SMS/MMS store outside of content://. And for that reason, Messaging being OSS is kinda useless since I can't build it, so I can't try and patch some much requested features.
Dec 01 19:30:55 <blau1> yeah
Dec 01 19:30:59 <blau1> lame
Dec 01 19:31:10 <blau1> we cant really make a decent replacement
Dec 01 19:31:15 <blau1> or addon
Dec 01 19:31:27 <blau1> theres no way to access stored sms right?
Dec 01 19:31:55 <Surye> I believed you used to be able to.
Dec 01 19:32:19 <Disconnect> there are tons of threads about wpa/wpa2 problems online. http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1450357 is one
Dec 01 19:32:42 <blau1> anyone wanna help me make an mms app that lets you save
Dec 01 19:32:55 <blau1> i just need someone who wants to send me mms's when i need some
Dec 01 19:33:49 <Surye> I know there's a way, someone pastebin'd me a way of using content:// to get at SMS data
Dec 01 19:34:03 <Surye> And the demo app saved them to the sdcard in a text file
Dec 01 19:34:31 <Surye> But I don't know if that works with MMS', and more importantly to me, media in MMS'
Dec 01 19:36:07 <blau1> receive_mms is a permission
Dec 01 19:36:36 <Surye> recieve, yes, read_mms, I don't know.
Dec 01 19:36:55 <DJTachyon> Whoa .. Awesome .. Apparently Barcode Scanner Supports QR VCard Contact integration
Dec 01 19:36:59 <blau1> ill discover it!
Dec 01 19:37:06 <blau1> give me a good name for the app though
Dec 01 19:37:13 <blau1> MMS CPR!
Dec 01 19:38:06 <Disconnect> hmm. looks like wpa/tkip is ok for most people, but wpa2/aes is not. (and at least a few routers bundle them all-or-nothing)
Dec 01 19:38:18 * Disconnect turns on tkip and hopes it'll be better tonight)
Dec 01 19:39:10 <mikey|> uptime, 26 hrs, battery, 32%
Dec 01 19:39:12 <mikey|> :D
Dec 01 19:40:31 <Death_Syn> damn, tetherbot is awesome
Dec 01 19:40:39 <Death_Syn> even when it crashes
Dec 01 19:40:44 <Death_Syn> the connection seems to stay up
Dec 01 19:40:52 <anno^da_> tkip cant be a solution in the end. :-)
Dec 01 19:41:28 <anno^da_> Could it be that some Router + G1 bundles just dont play together ?
Dec 01 19:42:46 <DJTachyon> Cool!! Check this out: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/TestQRContact.png
Dec 01 19:43:05 <DJTachyon> Scan that with the "Barcode Scanner" app :)
Dec 01 19:44:17 <DJTachyon> looks like it misinterpreted that leading 1, but hey :)
Dec 01 19:44:23 <blau1> 2 people left comments saying you can do this already
Dec 01 19:44:35 <blau1> by long clicking on a text message
Dec 01 19:44:55 <blau1> i dont understand how they can be on eo fthe few to understand about long clicking but not understand about the app
Dec 01 19:46:37 <Dougie187> hey jasta
Dec 01 19:46:45 <jasta> sup :)
Dec 01 19:47:23 <raidfive> is it possible to get your current location once without the use of location listeners?
Dec 01 19:48:39 <Surye> I can't believe there's no 64bit driver yet for the G1 :(
Dec 01 19:48:43 <blau1> can someone send me a mms?
Dec 01 19:49:28 <DJTachyon> surye: tell me about it
Dec 01 19:49:46 <Disconnect> ..isn't the 32 bit one open source? let the community fix it.
Dec 01 19:49:47 <DJTachyon> im just glad google fixed the chrome xp x64 menu crash issue
Dec 01 19:49:50 <Surye> There's an unofficial one, I'll try it when I get home
Dec 01 19:50:04 <raidfive> Also, does setting up location listeners actually start up the gps receiver or is that always on and running in Android?
Dec 01 19:50:18 <Disconnect> its not always running
Dec 01 19:50:29 <DJTachyon> the gps has to be turned on by the user manually
Dec 01 19:50:50 <DJTachyon> if it hasn't been turned on by the user already
Dec 01 19:50:56 <Surye> DJTachyon: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446274
Dec 01 19:51:18 <DJTachyon> cute :)
Dec 01 19:51:29 <Surye> Disconnect: The community has, but thanks to MS's driver signing policy in Vista x64, installation is annoying at best.
Dec 01 19:51:48 <Surye> And google has a cert they can sign the driver with :P
Dec 01 19:51:57 <Surye> er, key
Dec 01 19:52:07 <raidfive> so once it has been actually turned on my the user, it is on all the time and available to all apps that wish to use it? so setting up a location listener in my app that is running all the time (when my app is active) doesn't drain the battery anymore than normal?
Dec 01 19:52:13 <blau1> anyone willing to help me test some mms crap?
Dec 01 19:52:26 <Surye> blau1: I can send you one
Dec 01 19:52:46 <blau1> thanks
Dec 01 19:53:03 <Disconnect> raidfive: gps isn't getting a fix until an app requests it
Dec 01 19:53:12 <Disconnect> getting a fix is a big battery drain
Dec 01 19:53:31 <jasta> there are more ways to get your location than GPS
Dec 01 19:54:00 <Disconnect> thats true. you could look around instead of being lazy. :)
Dec 01 19:54:06 <jasta> cell id, wifi fingerprinting, and triangulation.
Dec 01 19:54:42 <raidfive> isn't the location manager getting a fix at the interval your app specifies ?
Dec 01 19:55:59 <raidfive> I'm just trying to determine if it is worth disabling the location listeners when I don't need to get the current location
Dec 01 19:56:44 <raidfive> the issue with that is when I do need the current location, if the listener isn't running I have to start them up and who knows when it will actually fix on the current location
Dec 01 19:56:59 <raidfive> I can't just turn the listeners on, then ask for the location
Dec 01 19:57:43 <tauno_> jasta, (cell id based)triangulation is not possible currently AFAIK - you can get data only about one cell at a time.
Dec 01 19:58:05 <jasta> ahh well, that would be unfortunate
Dec 01 19:58:20 <jasta> raidfive: yes, you should not do work that you dont need as a general rule
Dec 01 19:58:39 <jasta> the location manager should get you a fix no problem.
Dec 01 19:58:52 <tauno_> and you can't get much info anyway (singal strengths and stuff) about this cell anyway (haven't checked it myself so I might be wrong)
Dec 01 19:59:19 <raidfive> jasta: but only if the location listeners are already running
Dec 01 19:59:51 <jasta> raidfive: well why dont you just record the last known locationa nd use that until the location manager responds?
Dec 01 19:59:56 <jasta> assume the user hasnt moved at first
Dec 01 20:00:19 <jasta> bbl, lunch time
Dec 01 20:02:31 <DJTachyon> hehe i just printed out QR Code Business Cards :)
Dec 01 20:02:47 <ttuttle> DJTachyon: Nice.
Dec 01 20:03:06 <DJTachyon> didn't Realize there was a VCard MIME for it
Dec 01 20:03:29 <DJTachyon> ttuttle wanna try a test one I made?
Dec 01 20:03:41 <DJTachyon> Check this out: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/TestQRContact.png
Dec 01 20:04:15 <DJTachyon> brb
Dec 01 20:14:06 <ttuttle> DJTachyon: Works.
Dec 01 20:19:58 <falstaff_> hello, i try to use my own row style for listview. I want to use the styles used in simple_list_item_2, how can i do that?
Dec 01 20:20:12 <falstaff_> I try to use this line: style="?android:attr/listItemSecondLineStyle"
Dec 01 20:20:35 <falstaff_> which does not work, eclipse says no resources found
Dec 01 20:29:37 <Disconnect> ttuttle: any test yet?
Dec 01 20:29:48 <ttuttle> Disconnect: /me is busy.
Dec 01 20:38:03 <bert0> How can I get the background to blur like when you hold down the home button?
Dec 01 20:40:51 <jasta> bert0: its a dialog theme.  look in apidemos
Dec 01 20:41:30 <droidrift> lol... this is great
Dec 01 20:41:42 <droidrift> sitting in a meeting at work on irc
Dec 01 20:41:49 <Disconnect> droidrift: welcome to 1999
Dec 01 20:42:06 <Disconnect> here's a hint: stock options are bad.
Dec 01 20:42:14 <droidrift> lol
Dec 01 20:42:17 <Disconnect> but its a good time to buy a house.
Dec 01 20:43:09 <Disconnect> and i'd start saving money, bigtime. its gonna be rough in a year or 2.
Dec 01 20:43:22 * droidrift goes and pretends to work now
Dec 01 20:44:05 <Death_Syn> hmm, have any of the irc clients released yet?
Dec 01 20:44:59 <Disconnect> yes, all 6 of them
Dec 01 20:45:35 <falstaff_> how can i find a specific textview in a listview?
Dec 01 20:52:11 <falstaff_> getListView() gets my list in the listactivity
Dec 01 20:52:40 <falstaff_> but getChildAt returns allways null, but there are more than 20 datarows...
Dec 01 20:52:42 <falstaff_> any idea?
Dec 01 20:54:16 <_avatar> falstaff_: what are you trying to do? the ListView is clever and only allocates the amount of views that are visible on the screen (plus maybe a couple more), and they are recycled during scrolling
Dec 01 20:54:54 <Surye> _avatar: tell that to Messaging :P
Dec 01 20:55:11 <_avatar> eh?
Dec 01 20:55:56 <Surye> There seems to be a direct corrilation between the number of sms and the performance once you load up the thread
Dec 01 20:56:08 <_avatar> oh, that. well, dunno what's up there :)
Dec 01 20:57:58 <romainguy> it might be the adapter's fault
Dec 01 20:58:00 <romainguy> and not ListView's
Dec 01 20:58:10 <romainguy> (it's actually most certainly the adapter's fault)
Dec 01 21:04:35 <DJTachyon> hey romainguy .. you played with QR much?
Dec 01 21:05:13 <romainguy_> DJTachyon: just in passing to try Barcode Scanner
Dec 01 21:05:21 <DJTachyon> http://www.cafepress.com/DJTachyonQR
Dec 01 21:05:22 <DJTachyon> :P
Dec 01 21:05:46 <DJTachyon> http://www.qrstuff.com allows you to make contact QRs (probably the most useful)
Dec 01 21:06:28 <ALoGeNo> lo
Dec 01 21:06:34 <DJTachyon> o/
Dec 01 21:06:39 <elad> too pricey
Dec 01 21:06:40 <elad> @!
Dec 01 21:06:48 <elad> 30$ for a longsleeve o.0
Dec 01 21:07:02 <romainguy_> each employee at Google has a QR code on the intranet :)
Dec 01 21:07:04 <DJTachyon> its thermal apparently
Dec 01 21:07:08 <DJTachyon> hah awesome
Dec 01 21:08:55 <raidfive> what is the correct way to display a progress dialog while other stuff is being performed by your app
Dec 01 21:09:40 <raidfive> I do have to run the code being executed inside of a thread so it doesn't lock the UI (progress dialog)
Dec 01 21:09:55 <raidfive> that is what I have been doing but it seems like it should be easier
Dec 01 21:10:02 <mikey---> in a thread
Dec 01 21:10:18 <mikey---> o wait
Dec 01 21:10:19 <mikey---> nvm
Dec 01 21:10:34 <mikey---> raidfive: that is the correct way afaik
Dec 01 21:11:14 <DJTachyon> http://www.zazzle.com/djtachyon  .. for more stuff :)
Dec 01 21:11:24 <DJTachyon> elad :P
Dec 01 21:11:45 <mikey---> lol, romainguy_ should wear that tie to android dev meetings
Dec 01 21:12:51 <DJTachyon> hell yea :)
Dec 01 21:13:23 <DJTachyon> http://www.cafepress.com/djtachyon is my other cafepress store (without QR codes)
Dec 01 21:23:34 <androidsunrise> I didn't get any response about "geo fix -80.123  26.112" when I have myLocationManager.requestLocationUpdates("gps", 0,	10000.0f, onLocationChange);
Dec 01 21:25:46 <falstaff_> _avatar: i've a list of songs
Dec 01 21:26:13 <falstaff_> _avatar: and i try to set a play icon at the list item which is played currently...
Dec 01 21:27:00 <falstaff_> I use the SimpleAdapter to fill the list with data
Dec 01 21:32:32 <marix> hey guys
Dec 01 21:32:48 <marix> i have a question about accelerometer refresh rate
Dec 01 21:32:59 <Disconnect> once every 30 seconds or so
Dec 01 21:33:05 <marix> what?
Dec 01 21:33:30 <marix> compass mode couldn't work if it was every 30 seconds or so
Dec 01 21:34:33 <romainguy_> marix: the max is 50 Hz
Dec 01 21:35:07 <marix> anyway,  they make these floating time clocks that have an arm that swings back and forth fairly fast and led's blink at the appropriate time so taht your eyes see the full text of the time.  anyone know what i'm talking about?
Dec 01 21:35:30 <jlapenna> yeah. interesting idea marix.
Dec 01 21:35:39 <marix> im wondering if you could do the same w/ the g1 and your arm waving it back and forth and have the accelerometer keep up w/ it
Dec 01 21:35:47 <RyeBrye> The screen refresh rate is likely not fast enough
Dec 01 21:35:58 <marix> it would be mega rad at a concert to flash a big ass message like that
Dec 01 21:36:31 <falstaff_> Yeah works! _avatar, your hint that this views are filled on the fly and rescycled was the right way... I now tried it once again with the simpleadapter, and filled the field which correlates to the ImageView only when the song is plaied
Dec 01 21:36:37 <falstaff_> s/plaied/played
Dec 01 21:37:01 <marix> ryebrye,  could you compensate by sectioning the screen into 2 or more sections so that it would effectively double the view rate?
Dec 01 21:37:39 <romainguy_> marix: the maximum refresh rate of the screen is 60 Hz
Dec 01 21:38:22 <marix> but the pixel cool off is probably higher than that
Dec 01 21:39:21 <marix> i dunno
Dec 01 21:39:27 <mikey|> marix: got an image of these floating time clocks? Im curious
Dec 01 21:39:42 <Disconnect> mikey|: google 'persistence of vision'
Dec 01 21:39:43 <RyeBrye> You'll have look into persistence of vision stuff to see what kind of refresh rate you'd need - here's an example of one http://www.teachersource.com/ScienceGifts/MotivationalAndDecorational/XP3PersistenceOfVisionClock.aspx
Dec 01 21:40:02 <mikey|> ah, i see
Dec 01 21:40:04 <Disconnect> make magazine has a ton of projects. 8-10 leds, a timer and a string
Dec 01 21:40:10 <mikey|> never come across them before
Dec 01 21:40:44 <xfl001> Hi I have the question about "geo fix -80.123 26.2134" for myLocationManager.requestLocationUpdates("gps", 0,	10000.0f, onLocationChange);  Do you know why I didn't get any response in the listener?
Dec 01 21:40:52 <marix> i was at a nine inch nails concert a while back and some goon in the audience was holding up his iphone w/ a message that was nowhere near big enough
Dec 01 21:41:07 <marix> and trent told him to upgrade because the new one can scroll
Dec 01 21:41:25 <Disconnect> xfl001: quick, repeat it again.
Dec 01 21:41:32 <Disconnect> or try #android-dev
Dec 01 21:42:13 <xfl001> hi
Dec 01 21:42:28 <mikey|> http://jamesnsears.com/images/DSC03772.jpg
Dec 01 21:42:30 <mikey|> sweet
Dec 01 21:43:21 <mikey|> does anyone have an issue on the group with dupe messages being posted?
Dec 01 21:43:41 <mikey|> i got happy when i thought there was a reply, but somehow i double posted
Dec 01 21:43:50 <Disconnect> ugh. my accelerometer is solidly leaning to the top of the phone when set on a level surface (or at least, mostly level. but i doubt any place i set the phone is a peak and rotating hte phone doesn't change the bubble display..)
Dec 01 21:43:50 <mikey|> it happened to almost all my threads
Dec 01 21:45:54 <marix> mikey| which forum are you on?
Dec 01 21:46:05 <mikey|> the android-developers group
Dec 01 21:47:23 <falstaff_> I found this style attribute in a android row style (simple_list_item_2): style="?android:attr/listItemSecondLineStyle". How can i apply it to my row style?
Dec 01 21:47:24 <marix> never posted their,  sorry
Dec 01 21:48:04 <mikey|> maybe someone here will know the answer: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/f4994e158011419b#
Dec 01 21:48:07 <romainguy_> falstaff_: the style is probably not public
Dec 01 21:48:41 <mikey|> what does it mean when you use ? as opposed to @?
Dec 01 21:48:44 <falstaff_> hm, ok, can i extract it and add it to my own project?
Dec 01 21:49:06 <romainguy_> falstaff_: sure
Dec 01 21:49:35 <falstaff_> i opened android jar but could not find it...
Dec 01 21:49:44 <romainguy_> because it's not a file
Dec 01 21:49:52 <romainguy_> just look at the source code
Dec 01 21:50:03 <romainguy_> look in frameworks/base/core/res/values/themes.xml
Dec 01 21:50:07 <romainguy_> (and styles.xml)
Dec 01 21:53:31 <marix> according to this,  the clocks run at 16 hz
Dec 01 21:53:54 <marix> so perhaps its not the screen that would give you the trouble,  but your arm swinging around wildly
Dec 01 21:56:25 <blau> got a good idea for my away app
Dec 01 21:56:49 <xfl001> I tried to send latitude longtitude to LocationListener by "geo fix -80.123 26.1233" but emulator didn't have any response. I have myLocationManager.requestLocationUpdates("gps", 0,	10000.0f, onLocationChange); define on the onResume method. Thanks for interesting my question.
Dec 01 21:57:08 <blau> one of my users asked for my app not to notify when it forwards a message
Dec 01 21:57:18 <blau> so he could use it to monitor his kids messages
Dec 01 21:57:34 <blau> I support the snoopiness of parents
Dec 01 21:57:48 <blau> but am concerned about an app like that being used for malicious purposes
Dec 01 22:00:20 <marix> how would it be used maliciously?
Dec 01 22:00:32 <Disconnect> marix: the same way any snooping app is malicious.
Dec 01 22:00:38 <Disconnect> and in some states, flat illegal
Dec 01 22:00:51 <marix> but wouldn't it require access to the phone?
Dec 01 22:01:16 <Disconnect> ..so?
Dec 01 22:01:47 <_zippy> hmm
Dec 01 22:01:48 <blau> you get access once, install it and viola
Dec 01 22:01:49 <marix> just seems like it would be hard to hide
Dec 01 22:02:11 <marix> i guess maybe some users might not notice a new app installed on their phone
Dec 01 22:02:25 <blau> marix: i dont think many people would notice an app
Dec 01 22:02:35 <Disconnect> esp if it was called 'Messaging'
Dec 01 22:02:40 <blau> and if it does something useful, even better
Dec 01 22:03:01 <_zippy> Anyone successfully use OutputStreamWriter in their apps?
Dec 01 22:03:14 <marix> time to head home...  ttyl
Dec 01 22:03:22 <Disconnect> check the ml archives, there was some sketchy guy trying to do all sorts of thigs without user knowledge
Dec 01 22:03:34 <blau> so i was thinking requiring people to pay to register it would probably kill the script kiddies
Dec 01 22:03:45 <blau> but unlikely the nosey boyfriends or girlfriends
Dec 01 22:03:56 <Disconnect> it was pretty funny actually. messages basically consisted of "can someone write some malware for me?"
Dec 01 22:04:11 <blau> ml?
Dec 01 22:04:22 <_zippy> lol
Dec 01 22:05:38 <falstaff_> romainguy: found nothing, searched the whole platform/framework/base.git (grep)
Dec 01 22:05:45 <falstaff_> for this string: listItemSecondLineStyle
Dec 01 22:06:10 <xfl001> Disconnect, I tried to send latitude longtitude to LocationListener by "geo fix -80.123 26.1233" but emulator didn't have any response. I have myLocationManager.requestLocationUpdates("gps", 0,	10000.0f, onLocationChange); define on the onResume method. Thanks for interesting my question.
Dec 01 22:06:31 <Disconnect> xfl001: i'm not interesting your question. nobody is interesting your question. that was my point.
Dec 01 22:07:36 <xfl001> why
Dec 01 22:08:22 <Disconnect> xfl001: because you have been repeating it all day in the wrong place. http://code.google.com/android/groups.html
Dec 01 22:09:38 <xfl001> Thanks for your remind me.
Dec 01 22:12:53 <braniff> hello. where can i find a full list of android applications?
Dec 01 22:13:39 <braniff> there seem to not be very many available in the android marketplace
Dec 01 22:14:26 <Disconnect> braniff: where can i find a full list of windows mobile applications?
Dec 01 22:15:32 <braniff> i'm looking for pointers to places other than android marketplace
Dec 01 22:15:37 <ozzloy> braniff: there isn't a centralized list of all applications available on the android platform
Dec 01 22:16:06 <braniff> i understand that
Dec 01 22:16:38 * braniff is thinking about purchasing a g1
Dec 01 22:16:42 <ozzloy> k, just making sure.  sorry i can't help more.  the best i could do is google it
Dec 01 22:17:24 <ozzloy> braniff: i have one, i can answer some questions about using it if you like.
Dec 01 22:18:26 <braniff> ozzloy, for audio out, does the g1 ship with a converter to standard headphone jacks?
Dec 01 22:19:05 <_zippy> braniff, apparently new ones do
Dec 01 22:19:05 <Slackwise> Does now.
Dec 01 22:19:16 <braniff> great
Dec 01 22:19:22 <Disconnect> braniff: http://tinyurl.com/55vfql
Dec 01 22:19:26 <ozzloy> i've heard that they do now, but they didn't when i got mine.  i'm actually going back tonight and can answer that in about 8 hours
Dec 01 22:20:05 <ozzloy> though they do give you headphones that fit the crazy usb jack.  also the crazy usb jack is actually mini-usb in disguise
Dec 01 22:20:33 <Slackwise> Yes.
Dec 01 22:20:39 <Slackwise> It's Ext USB or whatever.
Dec 01 22:20:46 <Slackwise> So it does Mini-USB and audio.
Dec 01 22:20:47 <braniff> also, how well does android imeem work for car audio in the car while traveling?
Dec 01 22:21:02 <Slackwise> The naysayers like to pretend it's imcompatible with a standard mini-USB cable.
Dec 01 22:21:22 <ttuttle> Slackwise: I have one.  It's compatible :P
Dec 01 22:21:23 <Slackwise> ^incompatible
Dec 01 22:21:44 <Slackwise> ttuttle: That's what I was saying. :P
Dec 01 22:22:29 <ozzloy> braniff: imeem is pretty cool.  i've had connectivity issues though.  keeps running to the end of the buffer and stuff
Dec 01 22:22:41 <braniff> okay
Dec 01 22:22:47 <ozzloy> otoh, i'm not covered by 3g usually
Dec 01 22:22:59 <braniff> i have a blackberry curve right now...   Is the g1 with android substantially better than the bb curve?
Dec 01 22:24:03 <ozzloy> i don't know the bb curve at all.  the G1 is substantially better than my previous crap clamshell phone though
Dec 01 22:26:24 <braniff> thanks for answering my questions...one last one...where is the best place to buy a g1 online?
Dec 01 22:26:56 <ozzloy> i might sell you mine.  willing to wait a month?
Dec 01 22:27:09 <ozzloy> it's rooted
Dec 01 22:27:38 <ozzloy> and updated to rc30, so rooted and not extremely vulnerable
Dec 01 22:27:57 <ozzloy> i was planning on putting it up on ebay.  i'd suggest looking there for buying
Dec 01 22:28:17 <braniff> dunno if i can wait that long...
Dec 01 22:29:23 <ozzloy> then ebay.  again, probably google would be best to look for places to buy it online
Dec 01 22:39:49 <blau> who was in here before asking about market intents
Dec 01 22:39:53 <blau> and searching
Dec 01 22:39:55 <blau> via program
Dec 01 22:44:50 <dd94300> how to mount SD Card permanently in emulator?
Dec 01 22:46:45 * mikey| is really annoyed with himself
Dec 01 22:47:06 <mikey|> rewrote my parser using a different method, 100% easier to parse messages
Dec 01 22:47:21 <mikey|> should have done it like that before :|
Dec 01 22:50:32 <zhobbs> dd94300: you can stick an sd.img or something in ~/android and the emulator will automatically use that
Dec 01 22:52:31 <nforcemac> Hi, has anyone experienced a G1 just stop working randomly, and I mean I sent a sms then 10 minutes later look to see if I had a reply and just got a blank screen and not responding to ./adb logcat either?
Dec 01 22:53:11 <dd94300> thanks zhobbs
Dec 01 22:53:52 <jasta> nforcemac: i have once had to remove the battery to get it to come back alive
Dec 01 22:54:17 <blau> working on a declined call messager!
Dec 01 22:54:31 <nforcemac> jasta: tried that.... still dead as a door nail :(
Dec 01 22:54:40 <sparkle> coffin nail.
Dec 01 22:55:08 <jasta> nforcemac: does the phone turn on at all?
Dec 01 22:55:34 <nforcemac> jasta: turns on lights up screen and nothing past that.
Dec 01 22:55:49 <jasta> hmm, there is a recovery mode.  google around, see if that helps
Dec 01 22:57:05 <nforcemac> I did manage to catch some logs before if really died... hang on and I'll paste bin. In regards to recover mode I can't see that either but when I presss alt + w the G1 turns off then back on then still nothing on the screen. How long should it take for it to recover?
Dec 01 22:57:14 <nforcemac> I will just try doing it blindly.
Dec 01 22:57:44 <jasta> your screen might just be dead, who knows.  you can always contact t-mobile/htc...
Dec 01 22:58:51 <nforcemac> http://pastebin.ca/1272776
Dec 01 23:01:22 <fadden> nforcemac: what build do you have?
Dec 01 23:02:52 <nforcemac> fadden: not sure off the top of my head. Most recent OTA UK update i guess
Dec 01 23:05:55 <fadden> Hmm.
Dec 01 23:06:46 <nforcemac> I'm finding posts all over the internet of the exact same thing which isn't cool! :(
Dec 01 23:06:49 <blau> wtf
Dec 01 23:06:52 <blau> they killed the market intent
Dec 01 23:06:52 <nforcemac> http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=5660.0
Dec 01 23:07:12 <blau> 	final String target = "market://" + json.optString("search");
Dec 01 23:07:12 <blau> 													Intent intent = new Intent(Intent.ACTION_VIEW, Uri.parse(target));
Dec 01 23:07:12 <blau> 													context.startActivity(intent);
Dec 01 23:07:12 <blau> 										
Dec 01 23:07:22 <blau> now fails with 12-01 18:05:46.841: ERROR/AndroidRuntime(22354): android.content.ActivityNotFoundException: No Activity found to handle Intent { action=android.intent.action.VIEW data=market:// }
Dec 01 23:08:09 <nforcemac> http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/g1-dead-after-12-days-6217/ and another one with the exact same error.
Dec 01 23:08:56 <fadden> nforcemac: where else do you see this reported?
Dec 01 23:09:17 <fadden> I'm curious to know if it's strictly UK phones.
Dec 01 23:09:18 <nforcemac> fadden: see the links I have just posted.
Dec 01 23:09:30 * fadden smacks himself, follows the link
Dec 01 23:10:41 * nforcemac thanks god he still has his blackberry!
Dec 01 23:11:15 <fadden> nforcemac: to be the same problem it would need to have the "Layout: -10 < 0" message in the assertion.
Dec 01 23:11:28 <fadden> I don't see that in the link, just a report of a demised device.
Dec 01 23:12:07 <nforcemac> fadden: http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=5660.0 <---- that dude is having the same problem....
Dec 01 23:12:19 <nforcemac> read his first post
Dec 01 23:13:00 <blau> does anyone remember the person in here this mornign asking about the intent to viewa specific market id
Dec 01 23:13:20 <nforcemac> and Draxus on the second link describes the same issue and another dude further down the forum.
Dec 01 23:13:21 <fadden> nforcemac: I would agree that he's experiencing the same symptoms, but I'm not ready to declare it's the same problem
Dec 01 23:13:54 <fadden> I'm not trying to be argumentative; my concern is that different problems will require different solutions.
Dec 01 23:14:18 <nforcemac> fadden: I can't get the phone to respond via adb either anymore at least half an hour ago it did that :/ I do know what you mean though
Dec 01 23:14:48 <dd94300> has anybody notice this? if you recorder more than 16 seconds, clock in sound recorders stops at 16...............
Dec 01 23:14:58 <nforcemac> fadden: did you see my pastebin link? that was the last logcat I got out of her before she went seven sheets to the wind.
Dec 01 23:15:08 <Nafai> Dang.  My phone won't be here tomorrow :(
Dec 01 23:15:14 <Nafai> until tomorrow
Dec 01 23:15:24 <fadden> nforcemac: yes, and the "Layout: -10 < 0" part is what caught my attention
Dec 01 23:15:52 <nforcemac> fadden: missed that what line number?
Dec 01 23:16:19 <fadden> line 48
Dec 01 23:16:50 <nforcemac> got it... Does it mean anything to you?
Dec 01 23:17:15 * nforcemac bows at all knowing fadden 
Dec 01 23:18:10 <fadden> nforcemac: I have seen it before, but I'm not entirely sure what it means.  It definitely should not cause your device to stop speaking over ADB.
Dec 01 23:18:51 <fadden> (unless the continuous reboots managed to drain the battery)
Dec 01 23:19:18 <nforcemac> kinda what i thought.... that was just the last log before she died altogether... I have seen a simalar error with swing
Dec 01 23:19:33 <nforcemac> battery was fully charged just before this happened.
Dec 01 23:19:33 <fadden> I think it's possible to drain current faster than a USB connection can provide it, but it would take a while.
Dec 01 23:20:12 <fadden> Try: remove back cover.  Remove battery.  Disconnect from USB.  Replace battery, connect to USB.  Power on (red key).  See if stuff happens.
Dec 01 23:20:12 <nforcemac> I have just noticed that my memory card is shot to pieces....
Dec 01 23:20:28 <nforcemac> hang on
Dec 01 23:20:30 <fadden> I definitely recommend against shooting your memory card.
Dec 01 23:20:43 <ttuttle> If you're going to shoot it, give it to me instead.
Dec 01 23:20:59 <fadden> ttuttle: holding a memory card that is about to be shot is *not* a good idea.
Dec 01 23:21:00 <nforcemac> fadden: I mean corrupt
Dec 01 23:21:31 <fadden> nforcemac: how can you tell?  Moved it to a different device?
Dec 01 23:21:36 <fadden> Try booting without it.
Dec 01 23:21:41 <ttuttle> fadden: No, I mean instead of shooting it.
Dec 01 23:22:58 <nforcemac> red led comes on.... so its charging
Dec 01 23:23:21 <nforcemac> vibrate and blank screen and still not talking to adb
Dec 01 23:24:01 <nforcemac> now screen just dims and lights up again.
Dec 01 23:24:10 <nforcemac> and repeat.
Dec 01 23:24:27 <fadden> That much sounds like a reboot loop, which is expected.  Refusing to talk to adb is not expected.
Dec 01 23:24:53 <fadden> ...unless "enable usb debugging" turned itself off?
Dec 01 23:25:47 <nforcemac> is reboot loop a known issue?
Dec 01 23:26:28 <fadden> I'm wondering if something got corrupted on the device and is causing problems.
Dec 01 23:26:45 <nforcemac> I was starting to think the same.
Dec 01 23:26:58 <fadden> If the settings database with the "enable USB debugging" flag got corrupted, it might default to "off".
Dec 01 23:27:29 <nforcemac> but to get to the database side if things it has to get past the bootloader.
Dec 01 23:27:42 <nforcemac> I don't appear to be getting that far
Dec 01 23:27:58 <fadden> nforcemac: how long is it between the vibrations?  10 seconds?
Dec 01 23:28:41 <nforcemac> nope.... its just looping diming the screen up and down. Only vibrates when I put the battery in. But thats only once.
Dec 01 23:29:12 <fadden> Oh, right, it's restarting the runtime not rebooting the device.
Dec 01 23:29:22 <nforcemac> think so yeah.
Dec 01 23:29:33 <fadden> You get colorbars or G1 logo during the battery-out reboot?
Dec 01 23:29:48 <nforcemac> nope nothing at all on the screen....
Dec 01 23:30:08 <nforcemac> if you look at my logcat output it just loops over and over again.
Dec 01 23:30:31 <fadden> Yeah, but you ought to be seeing a boot logo by then.
Dec 01 23:30:54 <fadden> It's *possible* a data wipe from recovery mode will restore it.
Dec 01 23:31:19 <nforcemac> how would one go about doing that?
Dec 01 23:31:41 <nforcemac>  worth a shot seeing t-mobile don't open for another 9 hours here. :D
Dec 01 23:32:08 * nforcemac kinda misses his iPhone (sorry)
Dec 01 23:32:30 <fadden> Well, start with this: disconnect battery and USB.  Replace battery, hold "home" down, press power.
Dec 01 23:32:48 <fadden> Keep holding "home" until something other than blank happens. :-)
Dec 01 23:32:50 <nforcemac> ok 2 secs
Dec 01 23:33:29 <nforcemac> doing so still nothing on screen
Dec 01 23:34:13 <fadden> That's really not good.
Dec 01 23:34:30 <nforcemac> back to diming the screen up and down
Dec 01 23:34:48 <nforcemac> oh... powered off and back to a blank screen.... I think its dead
Dec 01 23:35:43 <fadden> nforcemac: dead device or (maybe) dead battery
Dec 01 23:36:06 <nforcemac> battery is good... works in my wifes G1.
Dec 01 23:36:14 <fadden> You could try the hold-home-then-hit-power thing while plugged into usb.
Dec 01 23:36:27 <nforcemac> ok...
Dec 01 23:36:48 <nforcemac> same...
Dec 01 23:37:01 <fadden> Sounds like a hardware failure to me.
Dec 01 23:37:29 <nforcemac> indeed... Google shows up lots of the same so should be interesting to see what T-mob have to say about it
Dec 01 23:39:38 <Lieutenant> would it be possible to create a google earth app for the G1? or is it just too complicated?
Dec 01 23:40:23 <ttuttle> Lieutenant: Google will, hopefully.
Dec 01 23:43:00 <Lieutenant> okay, and i understand when creating the custom RC build (like 1.2 was created) that we can change the code in exsisting programs?
Dec 01 23:43:36 <Lieutenant> if so, would it be possible to add the string "&fmt=18" to all youtube video files that play on the youtube player to make them high quality?
Dec 01 23:44:14 <ttuttle> Lieutenant: no
Dec 01 23:44:34 <ttuttle> Lieutenant: The YouTube player picks the quality by itself.  (For example, it uses a better quality on wifi than on 3g/edge.)
Dec 01 23:44:34 <sparkle> Lieutenant: use a rewriting proxy on localhost
Dec 01 23:44:38 <sparkle> :)
Dec 01 23:44:46 * sparkle nods
Dec 01 23:45:21 <Lieutenant> whaa? are you sure about this?
Dec 01 23:45:23 <Lieutenant> i didn't know that
Dec 01 23:45:41 <sparkle> yeah
Dec 01 23:45:53 <Lieutenant> but the videos load wayyy faster than they play, so i'm guessing that they would most definately load properly even with high quality enabled.
Dec 01 23:55:11 <_zippy> Lieutenant
Dec 01 23:55:19 <_zippy> why not just patch the .apk for youtube?
Dec 01 23:56:17 <_zippy> hmmm -- anyone experienced with tcp sockets? i keep getting unknownhostexceptions
Dec 01 23:58:03 <nforcemac> _zippy: pastebin logs and output... I'll have a look.
Dec 01 23:58:10 <_zippy> alright
Dec 02 00:00:48 <Al|> hmm
Dec 02 00:01:10 <Al|> irc is working ;)
Dec 02 00:01:19 <_zippy> it would appear so ;)
Dec 02 00:01:20 <Al|> * irc app
Dec 02 00:01:29 <_zippy> ahh g1 irc app
Dec 02 00:01:30 <_zippy> ?
Dec 02 00:01:35 <Al|> yah
Dec 02 00:01:41 <mikey|> thats me btw ^
Dec 02 00:01:44 <mikey|> testing it
Dec 02 00:01:48 <_zippy> ahh
Dec 02 00:01:57 <mikey|> took me ages to hunt down a pretty simple bug
Dec 02 00:02:01 <_zippy> is this the one that requires payment? (someone was speaking of it last night?)
Dec 02 00:02:07 <_zippy> hahaha i know that feeling!
Dec 02 00:02:09 <mikey|> the exception threw me right off the track
Dec 02 00:02:18 <mikey|> _zippy: no, no payment o.o
Dec 02 00:02:39 <mikey|> it said it was a server exception, but it was the default mode settings that were being parsed incorretly
Dec 02 00:02:54 <mikey|> im soo tired now lol
Dec 02 00:03:03 <_zippy> oh server exception eh?
Dec 02 00:03:09 <_zippy> I'm actually running into that myself right now
Dec 02 00:03:14 <_zippy> mind if i pm you for a second?
Dec 02 00:03:44 <mikey|> it was actually a problem with the parser, but somehow the exception got sent to the server class and it threw a null pointer because it was excepting a message from Exception e
Dec 02 00:04:46 <mikey|> `vip: the same one from neowin?
Dec 02 00:04:56 <`vip> yeah
Dec 02 00:04:57 <`vip> whats up
Dec 02 00:05:33 <mikey|> nothing, just wandering
Dec 02 00:05:49 <`vip> how you know me from nw?
Dec 02 00:05:53 <mikey|> ¬_¬
Dec 02 00:06:11 <bert0> I wish I could save certain addresses that I use all the time in a bookmark or pushpin on google maps
Dec 02 00:07:05 <mikey|> nn, feeling dead
Dec 02 00:14:51 <bert0> Has anyone used droidftp?
Dec 02 00:19:04 <_zippy> nope
Dec 02 00:23:38 <eldenz> i would like to get a notification when a new app hits the market^^
Dec 02 00:24:36 <eldenz> or a directlink to market->applications->all
Dec 02 00:24:55 <eldenz> is that possible with AnyCut?
Dec 02 00:25:10 <Delvien> I need some help with tethering using tetherbot
Dec 02 00:25:23 <Delvien> Can I nab some help ? : )
Dec 02 00:25:40 <eldenz> Delvien, i think it's best to just ask a question :)
Dec 02 00:26:08 <Delvien> Well, im a little lost, it says to use the ADB utility, but i cant find wtf they are talking about
Dec 02 00:26:28 <eldenz> it can be found in the sdk
Dec 02 00:26:50 <Delvien> Its not in there
Dec 02 00:26:55 <Delvien> Im using the Linux sdk
Dec 02 00:27:09 <_zippy> in the tools directory
Dec 02 00:27:11 <eldenz> it's in android-sdk-1.0-r1/tools/adb
Dec 02 00:27:12 <_zippy> ./adb
Dec 02 00:27:26 <Delvien> there we are
Dec 02 00:27:35 <Delvien> didnt see it.. im half blind so :X
Dec 02 00:27:38 <_zippy> Anyone ever come across the "java.net.UnknownHostException: Host is unresolved:" exception?
Dec 02 00:29:16 <eldenz> why?
Dec 02 00:29:45 <_zippy> I'm getting it, but the host is resolvable
Dec 02 00:29:52 <_zippy> not sure why the exception is being thrown
Dec 02 00:30:04 <jlapenna> you have the internet permission in your app, right?
Dec 02 00:30:08 <_zippy> correct
Dec 02 00:30:19 <fadden> Can you connect out if you just use an IP address?
Dec 02 00:30:35 <jlapenna> i've noticed when switching network connections on my linux laptop, the emulator's net access stops working.
Dec 02 00:30:40 <_zippy> fadden: the direct ip to the server, opposed to the domain?
Dec 02 00:30:58 <fadden> _zippy: yes; essentially do the name resolution step manually
Dec 02 00:31:13 <_zippy> fadden: i'll try that right now
Dec 02 00:31:18 <eldenz> oh, i've had that as well jlapenna (even on windows).. reboot of emul solved it
Dec 02 00:31:20 <fadden> Not a long-term fix, but if that doesn't work either then something is not set correctly.
Dec 02 00:31:24 <_zippy> jlapenna: i'm checking the emulators connection right now...
Dec 02 00:33:29 <_zippy> jlapenna: connection seems fine, going to replace my server with www.google.com for the heck of it though
Dec 02 00:34:45 <_zippy> hmphh
Dec 02 00:34:48 <_zippy> i'll be damned
Dec 02 00:34:52 <_zippy> it didn't throw the exception
Dec 02 00:37:07 <_zippy> eldenz, jlapenna: ever had something like that happen?
Dec 02 00:37:55 <jlapenna> Well, it depends on where your server is and if its routable through the emulator.
Dec 02 00:38:15 <fadden> jlapenna: sounded like a DNS issue originally
Dec 02 00:38:35 <_zippy> hmmm..
Dec 02 00:38:50 <_zippy> i don't really understand why www.google.com would be routable and another random .com wouldn't be?
Dec 02 00:38:58 <fadden> Can you get to your server from the browser app?
Dec 02 00:39:13 <_zippy> i'm restarting the emulator right now, going to test it all
Dec 02 00:41:26 <_zippy> hmm
Dec 02 00:41:39 <_zippy> now the browser can see the site... looks like the emulator reboot fixed that problem
Dec 02 00:42:13 <jlapenna> fadden: I dont' remember the description string for the Exception, but I believe non-routable ip addresses also end up with UnknownHostException
Dec 02 00:42:58 <jlapenna> that doesnt make sense though, i'm probably thinking SocketException
Dec 02 00:44:35 <eldenz> i don't remember, neither, just a horrendous long timeout :)
Dec 02 00:45:18 <Delvien> eek this is very difficult lol
Dec 02 00:45:22 <Delvien> im missing sumthing.
Dec 02 00:45:33 <Delvien> something*
Dec 02 00:45:50 <`vip> anyone know if there is an app to backup txts to sd card yet ?
Dec 02 00:46:56 <_zippy> no app, but you can do it manually
Dec 02 00:47:01 <_zippy> as long as you have root
Dec 02 00:47:31 <synalx> wouldn't exactly be hard to make an app to do it though
Dec 02 00:48:34 <_zippy> nope
Dec 02 00:53:38 <Delvien> .
Dec 02 00:55:42 <Delvien> Ok i need a little help again, i have set up the Http proxy, run the adb utility and started the SOCKS server on my phone, FF says connection interrupted
Dec 02 01:03:36 <infernix> hm. is iSkoot for Skype available for anyone on the app market?
Dec 02 01:03:52 <infernix> i'd like to be able to use skype chat but iskoot isn't to be found. would appreciate a copy of the .apk if anyone has it
Dec 02 01:05:30 <_zippy> infernix: are you trying to run it in the emulator?
Dec 02 01:05:43 <infernix> no. it's just not downloadable on my phone
Dec 02 01:05:46 <infernix> (i'm in .nl)
Dec 02 01:06:01 <_zippy> ahh
Dec 02 01:06:20 <infernix> so would like a copy but the apk is nowhere to be found
Dec 02 01:06:34 <zhobbs> infernix: it's on the market still in the US
Dec 02 01:06:46 <infernix> yeah but not when you're in the netherlands
Dec 02 01:06:56 <zhobbs> I can't access /data to pull the apk so I can't help you
Dec 02 01:07:01 <sparkle> it won't work there i think
Dec 02 01:07:08 <infernix> it will
Dec 02 01:07:10 <sparkle> since it's not pure voip
Dec 02 01:07:22 <infernix> i don't need the voice
Dec 02 01:07:23 <sparkle> it uses voice minutes
Dec 02 01:07:24 <infernix> just the chat
Dec 02 01:07:26 <sparkle> ahh
Dec 02 01:07:27 <infernix> i know
Dec 02 01:07:27 <sparkle> ok
Dec 02 01:07:34 <sparkle> sorry :)
Dec 02 01:07:37 <infernix> :)
Dec 02 01:09:16 <sparkle> streamfurious still rules btw
Dec 02 01:09:21 * sparkle laughs
Dec 02 01:10:27 <eldenz> it could use a Add Url butt0n
Dec 02 01:10:54 <eldenz> browsing shoutcast.com is quite cumbersome (especially if you already know what you are going to add)
Dec 02 01:10:55 <sparkle> yeah
Dec 02 01:11:12 <sparkle> just go to the url in the browser
Dec 02 01:11:20 <sparkle> of the m3u
Dec 02 01:11:29 <sparkle> i know, still annoying
Dec 02 01:12:13 <eldenz> ah, so it's a handler for .m3u links?
Dec 02 01:12:19 <sparkle> you can add urls with sqllite if you have perms and are masochistic
Dec 02 01:12:32 * sparkle nods
Dec 02 01:13:13 <eldenz> that's nice.. although i don't recall a settings dialog where one can set those, what if you install a second app that wants to handle .m3u aswell? will it ask?
Dec 02 01:13:33 <sparkle> good question...
Dec 02 01:14:13 <zhobbs> is the Market messed up?
Dec 02 01:14:19 <zhobbs> I can't find StreamFurious
Dec 02 01:15:01 <eldenz> zhobbs, all applications, sort by date... it's like in top10
Dec 02 01:15:42 <eldenz> if i search for 'Stream' it doesn't give me any results Oo
Dec 02 01:15:46 <zhobbs> eldenz: ok, was looking in multimedia
Dec 02 01:15:55 <eldenz> (it does but not Stream Furious)
Dec 02 01:16:00 <KNY> whoa, I didn't know the G1 had so many different LED colors
Dec 02 01:16:04 <sparkle> the market search isn't great
Dec 02 01:16:10 <ttuttle> KNY: It's got variable R, G, and B components.
Dec 02 01:16:23 <ttuttle> KNY: It has at least 64.
Dec 02 01:16:26 <KNY> ttuttle, cool
Dec 02 01:16:30 <eldenz> zhobbs, hmm, weird, in multimedia/By Date it's on top
Dec 02 01:16:38 <KNY> I just saw it in the prefs of an app and was surprised
Dec 02 01:16:45 <KNY> I thought it just had orange/green
Dec 02 01:17:55 <zhobbs> eldenz: for me there is only like 8 multimedia apps
Dec 02 01:19:00 <eldenz> zhobbs, more than 30 here
Dec 02 01:19:08 <zhobbs> strange...
Dec 02 01:19:08 <eldenz> but you found it in AllApplications?
Dec 02 01:19:11 <KNY> I definitely see StreamFurious in multimedia
Dec 02 01:19:12 <zhobbs> yeah :)
Dec 02 01:19:24 <zhobbs> It's in all apps, but not multimedia for me
Dec 02 01:19:32 <eldenz> 35 to be exact :)
Dec 02 01:19:44 <zhobbs> 8 here to be exact :)
Dec 02 01:20:08 <eldenz> G1 can receive mms, right?
Dec 02 01:20:34 <eldenz> i have a notification that a message couldn't be downloaded (30K) and it fails if i want to do it manually...
Dec 02 01:22:25 <jbq> the G1 hardware supports 64 RGB values for the LED (though they're not all really distinguishable), and can also blink between any color and black without CPU intervention.
Dec 02 01:22:50 <zhobbs> jbq: really? didn't know that....
Dec 02 01:22:52 <zhobbs> that's cool
Dec 02 01:23:17 <jbq> That's why you don't see it flash between two different colors: that'd require waking up a CPU.
Dec 02 01:23:31 <ttuttle> jbq: Ah, so the 0/25/50/75/100% levels are the only levels available for each channel.
Dec 02 01:23:45 <jbq> 0 33 66 100.
Dec 02 01:23:51 <ttuttle> Oh.
Dec 02 01:23:52 <ttuttle> Hmm.
Dec 02 01:24:19 <spikebike> so we need a rainbow LED app that kills your battery!
Dec 02 01:25:10 <KNY> seems like the Flashlight app isn't *quite* as bright as it could be, then
Dec 02 01:25:15 <KNY> since it doesn't turn on the LED ;)
Dec 02 01:25:17 <jbq> LOL
Dec 02 01:29:46 <`vip> so im trying to install trak on my phone, but i cant seem to do so ?
Dec 02 01:30:00 <`vip> www.trak.fr
Dec 02 01:31:37 <KNY> is there a way to control the size of a Dialog?
Dec 02 01:55:45 <DJTachyon> wtf did marketplace just break? :P
Dec 02 01:55:55 <DJTachyon> or do i need to reboot the phone?
Dec 02 01:56:15 <Disconnect> wow. turn on wpa instead of wpa2 and bam, phone is fine on wifi. sigh.
Dec 02 01:56:25 <Disconnect> stupid phone. :(
Dec 02 01:56:34 <Disconnect> and yes, market is broken
Dec 02 01:56:46 <DJTachyon> oh
Dec 02 01:57:02 <DJTachyon> upgrades and new features all around hopefully :)
Dec 02 01:59:40 <Lieutenant> hey we can print coupons online for pizzahut right?
Dec 02 01:59:49 <DJTachyon> o_O
Dec 02 01:59:56 <Disconnect> ...maybe?
Dec 02 02:00:04 <DJTachyon> yes?
Dec 02 02:00:13 <Disconnect> you can try displaying it on the phone but they'll probably have to keep the phone.
Dec 02 02:00:19 <DJTachyon> haha
Dec 02 02:07:50 <_zippy> hmmm what do you guys mean market is broken?
Dec 02 02:07:52 <_zippy> wokring fine for me...
Dec 02 02:08:27 <DJTachyon> try clicking on applications, all applications
Dec 02 02:08:33 <Disconnect> "no matching content in android market"
Dec 02 02:08:34 <_zippy> works fine
Dec 02 02:08:54 <_zippy> applications > all applications > date
Dec 02 02:08:56 <KNY> A-OK here
Dec 02 02:08:58 <DJTachyon> i get "no matching content in android market"
Dec 02 02:08:58 <_zippy> "droidFTP"
Dec 02 02:09:06 <_zippy> just downloaded and isntalled too
Dec 02 02:09:15 <Disconnect> hey look, its a time i'd love to kill an app without rebooting..
Dec 02 02:09:37 <DJTachyon> hurm?
Dec 02 02:09:47 <Disconnect> according to goog you never need to kill an app
Dec 02 02:09:57 <KNY> Disconnect, yeah, I've had need before too
Dec 02 02:10:24 <KNY> but it's usually a bit of dumbassery on my part, so it's not a huge deal
Dec 02 02:10:28 <Disconnect> this isn't
Dec 02 02:11:38 <DJTachyon> ah its fixed now
Dec 02 02:12:00 <Disconnect> mine will show subcats but it still caches the main list
Dec 02 02:12:05 <Disconnect> what a pos
Dec 02 02:12:12 <_zippy> how bigs you cache?
Dec 02 02:14:13 <DJTachyon> that stream app is kinda cool
Dec 02 02:14:44 <DJTachyon> hah bassdrive is on there .. epic
Dec 02 02:16:44 * infernix bought an RC28 G1
Dec 02 02:16:56 <DJTachyon> oh no .. phone space is getting low
Dec 02 02:19:27 <DJTachyon> so no installing stuff on the card then?
Dec 02 02:19:50 <_zippy> nope
Dec 02 02:19:59 <DJTachyon> bah
Dec 02 02:21:15 <DJTachyon> bansai blast takes 7MB .. and Opera takes less than 1MB .. what is wrong here?
Dec 02 02:21:55 <_zippy> nothing?
Dec 02 02:21:59 <_zippy> multimedia takes space
Dec 02 02:23:03 <KNY> installing to SD is supposedly coming, but I haven't seen an ETA, so I wouldn't hold my breath
Dec 02 02:23:14 <DJTachyon> wow did you guys check out the NeoCore demo?
Dec 02 02:23:31 <KNY> DJTachyon, yeah, but they cheated
Dec 02 02:23:42 <DJTachyon> heh
Dec 02 02:23:46 <DJTachyon> why?
Dec 02 02:24:19 <KNY> they bundled native code with the .apk, afaik
Dec 02 02:25:05 <DJTachyon> hmm
Dec 02 02:31:31 <sparkle> mm
Dec 02 02:31:41 <sparkle> nice that even streaming over edge works on low quality streams
Dec 02 02:31:51 <sparkle> i can listen to the bbc world service while driving again :D
Dec 02 02:32:01 <marix> disconnect,  just a heads up,  im getting a few mysql errors when visiting your site
Dec 02 02:32:28 <marix>  Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/drupal5/includes/database.mysql.inc:172) in /usr/share/drupal5/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 531
Dec 02 02:32:29 <marix> etc
Dec 02 02:42:33 <infernix> i wonder if there will ever be app comment moderation
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