**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 18 02:59:56 2008
Dec 18 02:59:57 <zinx> :D
Dec 18 03:25:58 <Leeds> morrildl: you're responsible for google docs, right?
Dec 18 03:26:46 <Leeds> got someone here having trouble copying'n'pasting out of it, and we're looking for someone at google to blame :-)
Dec 18 03:27:09 <SGTDavePwnage> lol
Dec 18 03:28:37 <grey-> hmmm
Dec 18 03:28:40 <grey-> speaking of copy+paste
Dec 18 03:28:42 <grey-> totally have it
Dec 18 03:28:47 <Leeds> although I guess some credit is due for it being a really easy way for a couple of our staff to collaborate on translating docs for us...
Dec 18 03:28:49 <grey-> but how do I like, select a section of text?
Dec 18 03:28:58 <grey-> I can copy all
Dec 18 03:29:05 <grey-> but what if I want to copy a -little-
Dec 18 03:29:10 <grey-> copy-some-
Dec 18 03:29:11 <grey-> ?
Dec 18 03:29:20 <grey-> I thought like
Dec 18 03:29:25 <grey-> touch-drag
Dec 18 03:29:28 <grey-> but doesn't highlight. ;-/
Dec 18 03:30:04 <luok> probly not precise enough
Dec 18 03:30:30 <luok> i actually didnt mind treo 650 resistive touchscreen
Dec 18 03:30:51 <luok> could use nail instead of finger pad
Dec 18 03:33:31 <KNY> grey-, alt + trackball
Dec 18 03:33:37 <KNY> maybe shift, I don't remember
Dec 18 03:33:59 <grey-> Oh?
Dec 18 03:33:59 <grey-> neat.
Dec 18 03:34:01 <grey-> will test.
Dec 18 03:34:04 <zinx> luok: there are capacative styluses
Dec 18 03:34:24 <KNY> grey-, alt+shift + trackball will select from cursor to (either) end-of-line
Dec 18 03:34:26 <grey-> shift-trackball
Dec 18 03:34:28 <grey-> reads.
Dec 18 03:34:34 <grey-> err rads
Dec 18 03:34:40 <KNY> yeah, pretty handy
Dec 18 03:34:46 <zinx> clearly not an iPhone
Dec 18 03:34:49 <grey-> sweet!
Dec 18 03:35:21 <grey-> actually
Dec 18 03:35:27 <KNY> zinx, what was your first clue? that it has copy/paste? ;)
Dec 18 03:35:27 <grey-> shift+touchscreen does the same thing
Dec 18 03:35:28 <grey-> RAD
Dec 18 03:35:30 <grey-> w00t!
Dec 18 03:35:34 <zinx> KNY: ;D
Dec 18 03:35:35 <KNY> haha
Dec 18 03:35:36 <grey-> win win win
Dec 18 03:35:42 <grey-> lulz iphone.
Dec 18 03:36:03 <KNY> neat, didn't know about shift + touch, grey-
Dec 18 03:36:12 <KNY> though if I already have the keyboard out, might as well use the trackball
Dec 18 03:37:01 <grey-> yeah.
Dec 18 03:37:12 <grey-> it'd be nice to have a way to do this more errr... seamlessly.
Dec 18 03:37:13 <grey-> like
Dec 18 03:37:21 <grey-> touch, wait [let it buzz] then drag.
Dec 18 03:37:31 <grey-> sorta like how you touch, wait drag icons on the mainscreen.
Dec 18 03:37:47 <KNY> but then the context menu pops up
Dec 18 03:37:58 <grey-> or trackball-click, hold clicked move trackball, release.
Dec 18 03:38:04 <grey-> those would both feel more intuitive to me.
Dec 18 03:38:16 <grey-> oh
Dec 18 03:38:17 <grey-> yeah good point.
Dec 18 03:38:19 <grey-> hermz.
Dec 18 03:38:20 <grey-> see
Dec 18 03:38:24 <grey-> hmmm
Dec 18 03:38:30 <grey-> yeah it's clear why they made the choice
Dec 18 03:38:43 <grey-> maybe add an option -in- the context menu
Dec 18 03:38:48 <grey-> to select/highlight text then.
Dec 18 03:38:56 <KNY> you mean like select all?
Dec 18 03:38:58 <KNY> haha
Dec 18 03:38:59 <grey-> there's already like copy-all, paste, etc.
Dec 18 03:39:01 <grey-> no no
Dec 18 03:39:06 <grey-> select-some ;)
Dec 18 03:39:09 <KNY> yeah, I know what you mean
Dec 18 03:39:33 <KNY> I guess they figured that if you are editing text in a field, then there's a >= 90% chance you have the keyboard out, anyway
Dec 18 03:39:57 <KNY> so they removed (or never added) the functionality, thereby making it a self-fulfilling prophecy
Dec 18 03:40:00 <KNY> :)
Dec 18 03:41:01 <zinx> could be interesting on devices without a keyboard though
Dec 18 03:42:15 <Versed> better get a good touch kb up and running before that.
Dec 18 03:42:36 <ITechJunkie> Does anyone know of a way to add to android's api?
Dec 18 03:42:45 <KNY> I don't think Android is quite ready to handle a touch-only paradigm
Dec 18 03:42:48 <zinx> good thing this isn't some outsourced to china single release OS :D
Dec 18 03:42:51 <KNY> and won't be for a while
Dec 18 03:43:01 <KNY> ITechJunkie, eh?
Dec 18 03:43:18 <ITechJunkie> KNY: I have some classes I want to add to the api
Dec 18 03:43:38 <zinx> if you really want them added to Android, submit a patch
Dec 18 03:43:40 <KNY> so that they can be shared/used across multiple apps?
Dec 18 03:43:49 <zinx> if you just want other apps to be able to access them.. i think there are other ways to do that
Dec 18 03:43:59 <ITechJunkie> zinx: that'd be nice
Dec 18 03:44:09 <zinx> see the Text to Speech library thing, for example
Dec 18 03:44:16 <KNY> or the Radar thing
Dec 18 03:44:22 <ITechJunkie> I just want to experiment with custom classes really
Dec 18 03:44:46 <KNY> you can do that without putting them into the Android API
Dec 18 03:45:19 <ITechJunkie> yea, but the way their set up I really needed them in there to reduce a lot of work lol
Dec 18 03:45:46 <KNY> haha
Dec 18 03:46:15 <ITechJunkie> so, is there anyway to make a custom api for android? I wanna make sure of it before I go and rewrite a zillon classes :)
Dec 18 03:47:57 <ITechJunkie> anybody? Going once...
Dec 18 03:48:28 <KNY> you'd have to make a custom kernel build
Dec 18 03:48:33 <KNY> I assume
Dec 18 03:48:48 <ITechJunkie> how do you figure?
Dec 18 03:49:27 <KNY> you can't just "inject" classes into the android.* hierarchy
Dec 18 03:49:35 <KNY> if that's what you're trying to do
Dec 18 03:49:48 <ITechJunkie> cause they wouldn't be on the current build?
Dec 18 03:50:06 <KNY> you just can't do that with Java
Dec 18 03:50:06 <ITechJunkie> KNY: and yeah, thats what i was hoping...
Dec 18 03:50:22 <KNY> it doesn't have that kind of run-time capabilities
Dec 18 03:50:31 <ITechJunkie> oh
Dec 18 03:51:22 <KNY> to make sure I understand this, you'd like to (for example) be able to create a class like android.view.ITechJunkieButton which other apps can then use?
Dec 18 03:52:19 <ITechJunkie> yes, but you also need to realise that ITechJunkieButton will work in the current builds of android, it's just not in the api
Dec 18 03:53:47 <grey-> KNY: hmmm there are some touch only androids out imminently though.
Dec 18 03:53:59 <grey-> better have some paradigm for select-some w/o shift key.
Dec 18 03:54:00 <grey-> egads.
Dec 18 03:54:02 <KNY> grey-, yeah? do you have any links handy?
Dec 18 03:54:10 <grey-> there's that chinese one.
Dec 18 03:54:16 <grey-> and the lenovo announced.
Dec 18 03:54:31 <ITechJunkie> isn't that the same phone?
Dec 18 03:54:35 <grey-> and I guess some of those nokia tablets.
Dec 18 03:54:38 <grey-> ITechJunkie: no, different.
Dec 18 03:54:57 <grey-> lemme find link
Dec 18 03:55:07 <grey-> http://androidcentral.com/qigi-smartphone-running-android-windows-mobile-61/
Dec 18 03:55:12 <grey-> QIGI
Dec 18 03:55:17 <KNY> zzzphone? that's not going to happen
Dec 18 03:55:39 <grey-> http://androidcommunity.com/more-lenovo-ophone-picture-leaked-20081216/
Dec 18 03:56:06 <grey-> http://androidcommunity.com/get-android-running-on-your-htc-touch-20081210/ [not android intended but running anyway]
Dec 18 03:56:41 <grey-> http://androidcommunity.com/video-proof-of-android-booting-on-nokia-n810-20081202/
Dec 18 03:57:31 <grey-> http://androidcommunity.com/huawei-will-release-an-android-powered-handset-in-first-half-2009-20081108/
Dec 18 03:57:50 <grey-> http://androidcommunity.com/openmoko-confirmed-running-android-20081105/
Dec 18 03:57:56 <grey-> I think that might be it so far.
Dec 18 03:59:06 <grey-> that's a lotta touchscreen things w/ android.
Dec 18 04:00:30 <Twois10> Is biowallet out for download?
Dec 18 04:07:53 <snadge> where can i get fastboot from without compiling it myself?
Dec 18 04:09:36 <Twois10> are you being sarcastic?
Dec 18 04:10:10 <morrildl> oh sweet
Dec 18 04:10:14 <morrildl> who was asking for in-browser find?
Dec 18 04:10:43 <morrildl> nice, copy/paste is coming back to the browser too
Dec 18 04:11:48 <unix_infidel> morrildl: where is in-browser search available?
Dec 18 04:12:22 <morrildl> unix_infidel: cupcake branch
Dec 18 04:12:24 <morrildl> http://source.android.com/roadmap/cupcake
Dec 18 04:12:36 <ttuttle> WHAT CUPCAKE?
Dec 18 04:13:01 <morrildl> ttuttle: hey your caps lock is on man, you might want to check into that
Dec 18 04:13:26 <morrildl> cupcake is the public mirror of the previously-private branch we still had going on as we met some partner deadlines
Dec 18 04:13:44 <snadge> whats that spinning globe app called?
Dec 18 04:14:01 <morrildl> snadge: AndroidGlobalTime
Dec 18 04:14:33 <morrildl> anyway I hadn't been following the browser stuff, they also added copy/paste, in-page find, and squirrelfish
Dec 18 04:14:37 <morrildl> very cool
Dec 18 04:14:44 <morrildl> browser should be getting much faster
Dec 18 04:15:24 <snadge> is there going to be an eventual sync between browser and chrome?
Dec 18 04:15:24 * ttuttle didn't know that was public 
Dec 18 04:15:50 <snadge> i think browser would make a good pc browser :p
Dec 18 04:16:04 <ttuttle> Any way to update a "regular" android checkout to cupcake?
Dec 18 04:16:09 <Leeds> "Video recorder mode"
Dec 18 04:16:38 <ttuttle> snadge: Browser is NOT CHROME!
Dec 18 04:16:45 <ttuttle> snadge: They're both Webkit based, but that is the end of it!
Dec 18 04:16:54 <ttuttle> snadge: Chrome is written for Windows, Browser is written for Android.
Dec 18 04:17:21 <ttuttle> (This is a pet peeve of mine.  Code-wise, it is *not* "Chrome Lite".)
Dec 18 04:17:49 <Leeds> "Support for A2DP & AVRCP profiles."!!!
Dec 18 04:18:06 <snadge> there could be some sort of code sharing though.. or they could at least use the same webkit code
Dec 18 04:18:12 <morrildl> ttuttle: no, you can't update to cupcake without a dev device
Dec 18 04:18:27 <Leeds> okay, there's enough new stuff in cupcake that I need to break my phone and install it :-)
Dec 18 04:18:28 <ttuttle> morrildl: I have an unlocked (radio and bootloader) G1 from Google, remember?
Dec 18 04:18:34 <morrildl> ttuttle: but if you check out the soruce, it should build
Dec 18 04:18:50 <morrildl> Leeds: :)
Dec 18 04:18:56 <ttuttle> morrildl: Yeah.  What I'm wondering is... I've got the source for the main branch checked out... can I switch it to cupcake?
Dec 18 04:18:59 <ttuttle> morrildl: (I'
Dec 18 04:19:07 <ttuttle> morrildl: (I'm on a piddly DSL line and don't wanna redownload the whole thing.)
Dec 18 04:19:29 <morrildl> ttuttle: I am no git guru
Dec 18 04:19:32 <ttuttle> :(
Dec 18 04:19:35 <morrildl> swetland might know
Dec 18 04:19:42 <ttuttle> swetland: ping?
Dec 18 04:19:45 <Leeds> morrildl: hope the droids are having a good christmas party - looks like you lot deserve it :-)
Dec 18 04:19:55 <morrildl> Leeds: actually it was last week
Dec 18 04:19:57 <morrildl> heh heh
Dec 18 04:20:03 <ttuttle> morrildl: Was it fun?
Dec 18 04:20:08 <ttuttle> morrildl: (Or is that conf?)
Dec 18 04:20:09 <morrildl> Leeds: yeah a2dp should rock
Dec 18 04:20:14 * ttuttle <3 A2DP.
Dec 18 04:20:17 <morrildl> ttuttle: I dunno, I couldn't make it
Dec 18 04:20:22 <ttuttle> morrildl: Awwww.
Dec 18 04:20:36 <Leeds> aw :-(
Dec 18 04:20:51 <Leeds> does AVRCP work in Music?
Dec 18 04:20:58 <cmang_> howdy... im trying to use the gps in my g1 and it doesnt seem to work.  no programs can find the location.  its enabled in prefs.. am i just under too many clouds tonight?
Dec 18 04:21:22 <morrildl> cmang_: is it blinking in status bar?
Dec 18 04:21:41 <cmang_> morrildl: green satellite thing, i think thats gps
Dec 18 04:21:57 <morrildl> cmang_:  yeah that. if that's blinking then yes it's just not locking on
Dec 18 04:21:59 <morrildl> too many clouds
Dec 18 04:22:20 <cmang_> ah, alright.  thanks.
Dec 18 04:31:08 <cmang_> hrm.  isnt working for my wifi location either, tho it usually does.
Dec 18 04:31:19 <cmang_> i think ill just shrug it off.
Dec 18 04:31:19 <bert0> is there a way to get just the A2DP from this cupcake thing or do I have to switch over to it completely?
Dec 18 04:31:35 <Leeds> I don't think it does wifi location - it does gsm location
Dec 18 04:31:49 <Leeds> bert0: I doubt it very much - I assume it depends on the new kernel, at least
Dec 18 04:32:31 <Leeds> but to be honest, I know nothing about it :-)
Dec 18 04:33:05 <bert0> I wonder why it's named cupcake...
Dec 18 04:35:28 <morrildl> bert0: because our current milestone naming scheme is pastries/desserts
Dec 18 04:36:01 <cmang_> ahh.. had to disable wifi to use cell location.  thanks again
Dec 18 04:36:30 <ralpht> shoot -- none of the random build fixes are in cupcake...
Dec 18 04:36:50 <bert0> when does "Empanada" come out?
Dec 18 04:37:34 <ttuttle> There's no wifi location yet.
Dec 18 04:37:36 <jham> ralpht: "The cupcake branch will be merged into the master branch, so that all of the public patches can be used with the new code base.  None of the commits in the public repositories will be lost, unless they no longer make sense or are obsoleted by the new code base.  Due to the United States' holiday season, though, this may not be finished until early January."
Dec 18 04:37:48 <ttuttle> Mmmm, cupcakes.
Dec 18 04:37:56 <ralpht> jham: cool. glad that you guys pushed it sooner rather than later :)
Dec 18 04:39:57 <npelly> glad you're all liking A2DP :)
Dec 18 04:41:53 <snadge> hmm.. i get "device not found" when i run "./adb shell" now
Dec 18 04:41:55 <morrildl> O HAI npelly
Dec 18 04:42:09 <snadge> that used to work.. the device shows up as being plugged in, i can mount the sdcard if i want to
Dec 18 04:43:26 <morrildl> npelly: I was about to ask how the BT API is going but then I remembered you are already waiting on an email reply from me :)
Dec 18 04:43:50 <Leeds> npelly: you're responsible?
Dec 18 04:44:11 <Leeds> where can I send beer money?
Dec 18 04:44:21 <npelly> oh hell yeh
Dec 18 04:44:30 <Leeds> still no OBEX though?
Dec 18 04:44:54 <npelly> one at a time
Dec 18 04:44:59 <Leeds> fair enough
Dec 18 04:46:06 <npelly> beer money to
Dec 18 04:46:13 <npelly> Android Bluetooth Team
Dec 18 04:46:15 <npelly> Google Inc.
Dec 18 04:46:22 <npelly> 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Dec 18 04:46:33 <npelly> Mountain View CA 94043
Dec 18 04:46:44 <npelly> kthxbye
Dec 18 04:46:49 <ttuttle> Don't forget the interns! :P
Dec 18 04:46:54 <npelly> :p
Dec 18 04:46:56 <npelly> cyas
Dec 18 04:47:33 <ttuttle> Anyone seen SanMehat here lately?
Dec 18 04:48:29 <Leeds> he was around yesterday, I think
Dec 18 04:48:48 <summatusmentis> I feel like I saw him earlier today
Dec 18 04:48:54 <ttuttle> Hrm, okay.
Dec 18 04:50:08 <Leeds> if there was a bot, it would tell you
Dec 18 04:51:05 <marix> who took the bot away?
Dec 18 04:51:50 <Leeds> that would be SanMehat...
Dec 18 04:52:00 <marix> whose he
Dec 18 04:52:31 <ttuttle> marix: He's awesome.
Dec 18 04:53:10 <marix> maybe i should rephrase, is he the chan creator or a google employee or whats his credentials?
Dec 18 04:53:18 <ttuttle> marix: He's a Googler.
Dec 18 04:53:35 <Leeds> he's an op
Dec 18 04:53:42 <ttuttle> (Yeah, that too.)
Dec 18 04:54:06 <marix> so he's probably watching his ass by not having a bot that logs in here,  with that said though,  how often is he on?  or atleast active?
Dec 18 04:54:24 <Leeds> he's active, yes
Dec 18 04:54:47 <marix> i remember him cleanign house a few days back,  but other than that i must be missing him.
Dec 18 04:55:24 <marix> has anyone petitioned him to allow a nonlogging bot in here?
Dec 18 04:55:45 <morrildl> who, San?
Dec 18 04:55:49 <Leeds> it's a finished conversation
Dec 18 04:55:55 <morrildl> It wasn't San, it was me
Dec 18 04:56:38 <marix> would that converstion be up for review at any point ever again?
Dec 18 04:56:56 <morrildl> yeah, but not for a while
Dec 18 04:57:09 <morrildl> don't want to be blowing around in the wind, reversing decisions all the time ;)
Dec 18 04:57:15 <snadge> has someone got a copy of fastboot handy?
Dec 18 04:57:35 <morrildl> also some people were getting pissed off at the bot and it was becoming a distraction, so I want to remain bot free for a while and let people simmer down
Dec 18 04:57:43 <Gary|tp> What's the problem with logging bots, anyway?
Dec 18 04:57:48 <ttuttle> Gary|tp: People don't like being logged.
Dec 18 04:58:11 <ttuttle> Wow, kernel/common takes *forever* to check out.
Dec 18 04:58:14 <marix> yea,  my email is now googleable because of the android irc client
Dec 18 04:58:42 <marix> it associated my email to my connection without even requesting.
Dec 18 04:59:08 <Gary|tp> ttuttle: I bet half this channel is logging us right now :)
Dec 18 04:59:14 <ttuttle> Gary|tp: Yeah, but not publically.
Dec 18 04:59:32 <marix> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/android/android.20081210.txt
Dec 18 04:59:45 <marix> whose ever this is, its public
Dec 18 04:59:47 <Leeds> www.androidirc-uncensored.org
Dec 18 05:00:01 <morrildl> www.droidsgonewild.com
Dec 18 05:00:03 <ttuttle> lol
Dec 18 05:00:03 <morrildl> oh dear
Dec 18 05:00:16 <morrildl> is that available?
Dec 18 05:00:29 <morrildl> yes
Dec 18 05:00:31 <morrildl> yes it is
Dec 18 05:00:32 <marix> is that yours?
Dec 18 05:00:44 <marix> its been indexed by google and everything...
Dec 18 05:00:52 <marix> **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 17 02:59:57 2008
Dec 18 05:00:59 <marix> dunno if that means its off or what
Dec 18 05:01:31 <marix> neg,  it just cuts off at that time for teh day
Dec 18 05:01:42 <marix> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/android/android.20081218.txt
Dec 18 05:01:55 <morrildl> well that's a violation
Dec 18 05:02:04 * morrildl starts looking at the member list
Dec 18 05:02:14 <marix> 240 people to go!
Dec 18 05:02:44 <Leeds> ooh, two big sticks
Dec 18 05:03:48 <morrildl> I suppose I could start by pattern banning nslu2-linux.org
Dec 18 05:04:07 <Leeds> or just kick nslu2-log and see if it comes back?
Dec 18 05:04:20 <ttuttle> morrildl: yeah
Dec 18 05:04:24 <Gary|tp> haha
Dec 18 05:04:31 <ttuttle> How about we flood it?
Dec 18 05:05:22 * xsdg notes that doing /kick and/or /part on the bot would be the easiest thing
Dec 18 05:05:35 <marix> its also logging alot of other channels
Dec 18 05:05:54 <RyeBrye> zinx: you make any progress on your phone?
Dec 18 05:06:05 <marix> could probably compare who is in what
Dec 18 05:06:18 <summatusmentis> ttuttle: 21:59 <@SanMehat> yo
Dec 18 05:06:29 <ttuttle> summatusmentis: Bah, he's probably asleep.
Dec 18 05:06:36 <ttuttle> summatusmentis: (Lously Googlers, sleeping on the job.)
Dec 18 05:06:51 <summatusmentis> it's like 9pm there?
Dec 18 05:07:09 <morrildl> xsdg: we have to know which nick is the bot
Dec 18 05:07:15 <xsdg> morrildl: nslu2-log
Dec 18 05:07:28 <xsdg> I mean, the mapping is pretty obvious :o)
Dec 18 05:07:32 <morrildl> well.
Dec 18 05:07:33 <Gary|tp> It's quite obvious :p
Dec 18 05:07:34 <morrildl> yeah.
Dec 18 05:07:38 <morrildl> Let's begin. :)
Dec 18 05:08:22 <Leeds> you started by killing ttuttle?
Dec 18 05:08:30 <xsdg> haha :o)
Dec 18 05:08:32 <RyeBrye> nslu2-log: are you a bot?
Dec 18 05:08:47 <Disconnect> hahahaha
Dec 18 05:08:49 <Gary|tp> It is very very obvious it is...
Dec 18 05:09:04 * ttuttle curses Freenode.
Dec 18 05:09:10 <xsdg> ttuttle: eh?
Dec 18 05:09:11 <Disconnect> i'd still ban the whole domain
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