**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 22 02:59:56 2009 Jul 22 03:00:04 i thought u could take any number not used Jul 22 03:00:09 didn't know it had to be googles Jul 22 03:00:15 uhh... yeah Jul 22 03:01:01 this new hero better be fuckin fast Jul 22 03:02:15 Lieutenant: uhm, yes, it has to be google's Jul 22 03:02:55 Lieutenant: i wanted a 718 area code number, none available :( Jul 22 03:03:04 gparted is failing and not completing my partition Jul 22 03:03:13 use a desktop Jul 22 03:03:23 am on a dektop Jul 22 03:03:33 ugh Jul 22 03:03:37 that's weird Jul 22 03:03:51 gparted makes me uncomfortable every time I try to use it Jul 22 03:04:18 I usually fall back to backups, fdisk, restore Jul 22 03:04:26 sure Jul 22 03:04:47 especially with such a piddly amount of storage like a microsd card Jul 22 03:04:54 :-) Jul 22 03:05:38 does gparted know anything about resizing ext4 yet? Jul 22 03:05:52 because dump/restore still don't work on ext4. what's even better is that it silently fails Jul 22 03:06:14 I thought the whole point of feature tags in the fs was so that kernels and user programs alike could tell if they knew how to handle those features or not Jul 22 03:06:24 but the most important tools of all, the backup tools, don't even look at them! Jul 22 03:07:00 AakashPatel - wut? Jul 22 03:07:02 hmm it creates ext2 just fine Jul 22 03:07:05 wtf Jul 22 03:07:22 EugeneKay: TommyBres's gv does the same thing mine was dgoing about text messages Jul 22 03:08:10 mine does what it's supposed to do Jul 22 03:08:29 it would be silly to think the gv app would send sms as your own number? Jul 22 03:08:36 no Jul 22 03:08:40 Oh wow, I have more desktop screens now :-) cool Jul 22 03:08:41 spaztik: the messaging app does Jul 22 03:08:58 you mean the one NOT in the gv app? Jul 22 03:09:06 savid yes, one of the many features Jul 22 03:09:07 nope Jul 22 03:09:14 though you do need to push the icons 1 desktop to the right to keep them centered Jul 22 03:09:28 spaztik: the regular stock sms app Jul 22 03:09:43 um... how is that different than what i said Jul 22 03:09:49 AakashPatel - well you're fucked. Jul 22 03:09:51 i said "nope" Jul 22 03:09:53 :P Jul 22 03:09:58 so you may have tooken it wrong... Jul 22 03:10:02 wow im going to rage quit Jul 22 03:10:03 ok then Jul 22 03:10:05 TommyBres, yeah, I was wondering why my #3 desktop became the default :-P no biggy though, now that I have more it's time to rearrange! Jul 22 03:10:06 (people are stupid) Jul 22 03:10:08 virtualbox is a complete freaking phail Jul 22 03:10:25 tooken isn't a word, don't call me stupid Jul 22 03:10:27 can't share folders between vm and windows, cant get my usb stick working, cant do shit period Jul 22 03:10:49 erm Jul 22 03:10:51 but, the point is that it will obviously send from your phone number, as it's meant to, but the gv one is meant to send sms via the gv # Jul 22 03:11:15 ok i was getting the error due for not rounding to cylinday Jul 22 03:11:29 k4r1m: here is an invention Jul 22 03:11:44 k4r1m: send an email and then open it up in vbox Jul 22 03:11:49 spaztik: thats the thing, if i send an sms from the stock messaging app to a gv number, it sends from my gv number Jul 22 03:11:55 instead of my cell number Jul 22 03:12:01 arrgh, i hate theses numbers, 125.48 swap, i need it to be perfect 128 mb Jul 22 03:12:09 eh? that doesn't even make sense Jul 22 03:12:25 i know Jul 22 03:12:29 thats what im talkin about Jul 22 03:12:33 no sense at all Jul 22 03:13:09 i'm actually certain that's not possible Jul 22 03:13:26 nope Jul 22 03:13:27 twois10: 128 Mega Bytes = 134 217 728 bytes Jul 22 03:13:29 what you need to check is if that GV number you're texting has you as a contact with your number and gv # Jul 22 03:13:29 its possible Jul 22 03:13:54 no, if you send a number from you rphone through your carrier, they are legally responsible for transmitting the CID, and can not forge that Jul 22 03:13:55 nope Jul 22 03:14:07 spaztik: THATS WHAT IM SAYING Jul 22 03:14:11 shiznebit: im still *testing* the stuff im doing so im just going to be emailing 80mb zip files to email just for testings purposes Jul 22 03:14:15 ? no it's not Jul 22 03:14:16 it makes no sense at all Jul 22 03:14:19 talk to KNY lol Jul 22 03:14:23 i tested with him Jul 22 03:14:26 does KNY have your contact info? Jul 22 03:14:41 shiznebit: do you know what my name means? Jul 22 03:14:47 spaztik: nope Jul 22 03:15:02 i am pretty sure there's no legal responsibility wrt caller-id info, considering the number of forged numbers i get :/ Jul 22 03:15:03 i just texted my wife's phone and it came from my number Jul 22 03:15:16 is she on gv? Jul 22 03:15:19 yes Jul 22 03:15:26 see? Jul 22 03:15:29 it only happens to me Jul 22 03:15:30 :/ Jul 22 03:15:33 still can't find a damn number Jul 22 03:15:38 taht wouldn't make any sense Jul 22 03:15:38 google's servers are f'ing this stuff up Jul 22 03:15:47 Lieutenant, it took me like 4 hours to pick one Jul 22 03:15:49 spaztik: you're tellin me Jul 22 03:15:57 AakashPatel: just choose another zipcode Jul 22 03:16:05 or no zip code Jul 22 03:16:16 i gotta jet, got some shit ta do Jul 22 03:16:18 that means i have to pay :P Jul 22 03:16:18 wouldn't the people who call me get long distance charges? Jul 22 03:16:35 if they call from land lines or have some crappy cell plan, yeah Jul 22 03:16:47 but most plans have free LD Jul 22 03:16:59 anyway, out Jul 22 03:17:16 oh Jul 22 03:17:18 cool Jul 22 03:17:19 thanks Jul 22 03:18:04 WooooHHOOOOO Jul 22 03:18:13 got cm recovery working on 32a magic Jul 22 03:18:27 i keep getting k-lined on efnet while tethering wtf Jul 22 03:18:33 jpa--: hahaha Jul 22 03:18:59 how's pittsburgh sound for my phone's location? Jul 22 03:19:24 choose Times Square :) Jul 22 03:19:42 choose area 51 Jul 22 03:19:46 whats the area code Jul 22 03:19:48 lol area 51 Jul 22 03:19:53 wait nvm phail Jul 22 03:19:56 adb is not working Jul 22 03:20:15 hey Jul 22 03:20:16 10036 Jul 22 03:20:16 cm recovery has adb on the g1 right? Jul 22 03:20:20 shiznebit: i got the numbers i want now, i just need to allocate 2mb of unused space Jul 22 03:20:28 if i get 2 google voice accounts, can i alternate on which i use for my phone? Jul 22 03:21:09 who wanted to ask me something? Jul 22 03:21:15 my school's in 10007 Jul 22 03:21:16 :) Jul 22 03:21:17 Lieutenant, not easily Jul 22 03:22:03 KNY: spaztik wouldnt belive me about my messaging stuff Jul 22 03:22:22 ok what is the next step, i have my three partitions, ext4, swap, and fat32 Jul 22 03:22:57 how about 00051 :) Jul 22 03:23:00 AakashPatel, of course, you had that bug with it not recognizing that your phone was a forwarding phone, remember? Jul 22 03:23:03 as the zipcode Jul 22 03:23:11 AakashPatel, I'll test with a friend of mine tomorrow to see if I can duplicate Jul 22 03:23:23 and... Jul 22 03:23:30 that one last night lol Jul 22 03:23:46 AakashPatel, yeah I know, I'm just saying that maybe they're related and you're just (un)lucky Jul 22 03:23:52 lol probably Jul 22 03:24:11 lol (812) 5GV-OICE Jul 22 03:24:30 Lieutenant, that's awesome Jul 22 03:24:39 but i dont like taht area code :( Jul 22 03:24:40 though EugeneKay got a great one last night Jul 22 03:24:46 what did he pipck? Jul 22 03:24:58 1 234 567 xxxx Jul 22 03:24:59 234 Jul 22 03:25:02 yeah Jul 22 03:25:04 lol Jul 22 03:25:06 wtf Jul 22 03:25:29 ftw Jul 22 03:25:41 ehh theres still 1234567 numbers left Jul 22 03:25:42 reminds me of ... was it steve wozniak who got the 1 888 888 8888 number? Jul 22 03:25:56 hell no Jul 22 03:26:08 but he had to stop using it because he kept getting calls from little kids just pushing buttons Jul 22 03:26:36 it might have been 777 7777, but it was all one number Jul 22 03:26:39 QUIT GODDAMNIT BUTFUCKING PINGING ME YOU STUPID GODDAMNED SON OF A BITCH WHAT THE COCKSHITTING FAGGOT FUCK DO YOU WANKERS WANT Jul 22 03:26:52 LOL Jul 22 03:26:56 thats crazy Jul 22 03:27:02 oh shit hes pissed Jul 22 03:27:18 hahah Jul 22 03:27:22 * KNY ducks Jul 22 03:27:33 Errr.... I mean Jul 22 03:27:33 Hi Jul 22 03:27:37 Honest typo. Jul 22 03:28:15 found it: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/news/2006/03/70538?currentPage=2 Jul 22 03:28:29 and it was just 888 8888 Jul 22 03:28:33 is tethering with azilink (uses openVPN) some sort of security risk or something? Jul 22 03:28:36 i keep getting k-lined on every efnet server Jul 22 03:28:38 ZOMG badass (682) 478-5236 Jul 22 03:28:38 Jul 22 03:28:39 and even the #help room Jul 22 03:28:40 start from 4 Jul 22 03:28:51 Lieutenant, haha Jul 22 03:29:13 I would get that one, Lieutenant Jul 22 03:29:21 yep Jul 22 03:29:23 mine is lame Jul 22 03:29:27 and i live near that area code Jul 22 03:29:30 I didn't spend a whole lot of time picking mine out Jul 22 03:29:30 like 20 mins Jul 22 03:29:32 got lucky Jul 22 03:30:18 of course, you probably have a lot of choices since google just bought a million numbers Jul 22 03:30:54 jpa-- It's likely somebody else from your provider's gateway has been abusing Jul 22 03:30:54 i wish i coulda got callme Jul 22 03:30:58 i always wanted that Jul 22 03:31:01 i tried looking for (666) as the area code Jul 22 03:31:16 Lieutenant, or the (in)famous EAT SHIT Jul 22 03:31:17 god damn canadian Rogers wireless customers Jul 22 03:31:23 lol Jul 22 03:31:26 My Google Voice number is 1 (234) 567(no 8!)9EEK Jul 22 03:31:30 Where EEK are my initials Jul 22 03:31:39 damn thats badass Jul 22 03:31:42 EugeneKay, sucks that you didn't get 8EEK Jul 22 03:31:55 They didn't have it Jul 22 03:32:04 I tried, though Jul 22 03:32:05 what do they mean by this? Add a forwarding phone that will ring when your Google Voice number is called. Jul 22 03:32:16 The joke, of course, is SEVEN ATE NINE Jul 22 03:32:22 LOL Jul 22 03:32:30 oh wait Jul 22 03:32:33 then there wouldn't be a 9 Jul 22 03:32:57 what do they mean by this? Add a forwarding phone that will ring when your Google Voice number is called. Jul 22 03:33:23 er, sounds obious to me Jul 22 03:33:24 your cell number Jul 22 03:33:28 they mean exactly what it says Jul 22 03:33:35 or homephone, or work Jul 22 03:33:51 so i wont have my original number after this? Jul 22 03:34:15 jpa--: we those iptables on our kernel for stupid tethering... if i was you i would be really pissed lol Jul 22 03:34:16 * shiznebit smashes head through table Jul 22 03:34:26 Lieutenant, you'll have both. Sigh. Jul 22 03:35:00 KNY any info from the Google Voice developers to allow you to use their API ? Jul 22 03:35:14 * Gigawatts pings tmzt again Jul 22 03:35:15 shiznebit, nope Jul 22 03:35:41 and i sent such a pleasant letter ;) Jul 22 03:35:43 shiznebit, doesn't mean I won't be using it, though :) Jul 22 03:35:50 .... i haven't recieved a phone call yet.. Jul 22 03:35:53 does it take a while? Jul 22 03:35:53 k4r1m: cool thanks for rubbing it in Jul 22 03:35:54 jerk Jul 22 03:36:03 Lieutenant, if three seconds is a while Jul 22 03:36:10 then something's wrong Jul 22 03:36:17 yes i typed my number correctly Jul 22 03:36:27 no i didn't put a 1 infront of it. Jul 22 03:36:37 if you are to stupid to read, odds arent good on typing. Jul 22 03:36:49 just go to your google voice settings and make sure the number is right Jul 22 03:37:08 it says they have to verify it Jul 22 03:37:18 quit out Jul 22 03:37:21 login in Jul 22 03:37:25 click settings Jul 22 03:37:31 look at number you entered Jul 22 03:37:38 re-enter it b/c you entered it wrong Jul 22 03:37:43 profit! Jul 22 03:37:54 Lieutenant, try another phone Jul 22 03:38:02 i didn't enter it wrong, im looking at it right now Jul 22 03:38:05 and i dont have another phone Jul 22 03:38:06 lol Jul 22 03:38:14 Lieutenant, have a friend do it Jul 22 03:38:16 just tell them the cod Jul 22 03:38:19 code, too Jul 22 03:38:23 you can always delete it later Jul 22 03:38:32 oh Jul 22 03:39:58 so apparently tmzt can ONLY be here if i am disconnected Jul 22 03:40:04 :P Jul 22 03:40:15 am looking for JACHero2.7.4 -Full, only the lite version is on xda Jul 22 03:42:07 i just tried it again and it worked Jul 22 03:42:37 wow now they keep calling me Jul 22 03:42:44 lol Jul 22 03:42:51 google is retaliating Jul 22 03:42:57 hey no try out the spam feature Jul 22 03:43:01 know* Jul 22 03:44:07 Lol Jul 22 03:44:10 they stopped Jul 22 03:45:08 * RyeBrye misses infobot Jul 22 03:47:24 zelrikriando: flashing it right now... if it works lets just this time there is going to be a lot of more steps. Jul 22 03:47:32 on the "making calls" page for the google voice app Jul 22 03:47:36 where u set up your account Jul 22 03:47:38 can you change that? Jul 22 03:47:49 i'm going to choose od not use google voice for any calls for now Jul 22 03:49:11 <_Auron_> what's the new OTA update give? Jul 22 03:55:24 free candy Jul 22 03:55:50 _Auron_: it's a security fix Jul 22 03:56:14 are there any open source apps that use a mapview? Jul 22 03:58:25 how am i suppose to see if apps2sd is working? Jul 22 03:58:37 i dont see anything under the sdcard folder Jul 22 03:59:51 k4r1m: go to settings, internal and sd storage Jul 22 03:59:59 hey does jesusfreke's program that he made allow people to take apps apart? Jul 22 04:00:06 or whatever he made Jul 22 04:00:12 depends on what build he is on TommyBres Jul 22 04:00:26 TommyBres: and? Jul 22 04:00:36 k4r1m: what does it say for free space internally Jul 22 04:00:40 Krlm what build are you on? Jul 22 04:01:07 231, noonehereyet: im trying to port JACHerski to htc magic Jul 22 04:01:54 ahhh Jul 22 04:02:02 hm usually i see the apps i download under system/app but i dont see them Jul 22 04:02:09 dont know on that one as I dont have a magic Jul 22 04:02:58 well i found the market apps they are under /data/app Jul 22 04:03:48 Lieutenant: yes, smali / baksmali lets you disassemble and reassmble dex files into dalvik bytecode Jul 22 04:03:52 err dalvik assembly Jul 22 04:04:01 which makes me think that app2sd is working but then why am i not get any swap space, from meminfo and free... Jul 22 04:04:08 k4r1m: wouldnt they be under /system/sd/app? Jul 22 04:04:56 TommyBres: all i see in that folder is placeholder Jul 22 04:04:59 ima try a reboot Jul 22 04:06:21 okie Jul 22 04:08:18 lets see what happens if i remove the sdcard Jul 22 04:10:20 hm apps are still here Jul 22 04:10:37 i guess that means that its not working? Jul 22 04:11:04 your just trying to move apps to sd? Jul 22 04:11:11 or app_s to sd? Jul 22 04:11:27 im trying to see if auto apps2sd is working or not Jul 22 04:11:49 did you have the partition set? Jul 22 04:11:59 if you did go to terminal or adb and check Jul 22 04:12:16 yeah i made 3 paritions Jul 22 04:12:24 ext3, fat32, and swap Jul 22 04:12:26 ok fat32 and ext3? Jul 22 04:12:29 ok Jul 22 04:12:33 eww swap.... Jul 22 04:12:35 swap is not showing up but thats a different story Jul 22 04:12:47 not a big fan of that... Jul 22 04:13:00 getting this tryint the do this apps2sd : mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 on /sdcard failed: No such file or directory Jul 22 04:13:05 are you running a linux machine? Jul 22 04:13:15 i already got 288mb of ram on my device, just a feature i need to include in the port Jul 22 04:13:32 Has anyone here ever gotten "download unsuccessful" while trying to install from market? I have a purchased app that won't download Jul 22 04:13:33 noonehereyet: nope Jul 22 04:13:36 ahhh Jul 22 04:13:41 that would make it easy.... Jul 22 04:13:47 noonehereyet: i have an idea to try though just give me a sec Jul 22 04:14:02 just use adb then Jul 22 04:14:10 ima just check for the internal memory then go and install a bunch of apps and see if it changes Jul 22 04:14:11 why do i have 10 cents on google voice? Jul 22 04:15:14 is there a good tool for working with a resources.arsc file? Jul 22 04:15:19 as in dumping info in it... etc? Jul 22 04:17:07 yeah hahah it down from 230 to 225 Jul 22 04:22:28 off topic question Jul 22 04:23:04 I am trying to view developers.android.com using IE and it appears in japanese characters? Jul 22 04:23:08 how can I stop that Jul 22 04:23:17 when I was there this morning everything was fine Jul 22 04:23:19 off topic answer Jul 22 04:23:20 Mammals (formally Mammalia) are a class of vertebrate animals whose females are characterized by the possession of mammary glands while both males and females are characterized by sweat glands, hair, three middle ear bones used in hearing, and a neocortex region in the brain. Jul 22 04:25:04 Shaba1, did you try the language selection thing in the upper-right? Jul 22 04:25:10 TommyBres, I'm finding I'm not able to re-download many of my paid-for apps -- it's saying "Download Unsuccessful"... did this happen to you? Jul 22 04:25:39 used to, not since 1.5 came out Jul 22 04:26:06 KNY: rofl Jul 22 04:26:21 :) Jul 22 04:27:01 kny hold on let me try that Jul 22 04:27:17 whow Jul 22 04:27:20 that fixed it Jul 22 04:27:23 thanks KNY Jul 22 04:27:25 no problem Jul 22 04:27:28 hidden in plain sight Jul 22 04:27:43 I thought my computer os was getting destroyed Jul 22 04:27:58 Well it was hidden Jul 22 04:28:19 I use 1025X768 and I did not have IE at full screen Jul 22 04:28:59 ah Jul 22 04:30:10 TommyBres, Any idea what caused it? Jul 22 04:30:54 dude i'm baked, i don't even know what caused my sunburn right now Jul 22 04:31:31 wow.. Jul 22 04:31:42 share man! Jul 22 04:31:43 wow Jul 22 04:31:52 take a trip to new york and i'll smoke you up Jul 22 04:31:58 in a few months Jul 22 04:32:09 k Jul 22 04:33:11 is aapt documented somewhere? I wonder what the aapt dump resources command is saying Jul 22 04:33:19 i'm beating kids in poker and i can't feel my face... that probably means they're bad Jul 22 04:33:23 haha Jul 22 04:33:30 if i were losing to someone as baked as i am Jul 22 04:33:34 i'd feel like a retard Jul 22 04:33:42 any hero user onboard? Jul 22 04:33:56 JesusFreke: u happen to know anything about the non google branded htc magics? Jul 22 04:34:44 twois10: kinda of what u need? Jul 22 04:34:58 a friend has 10 Jul 22 04:35:06 k4r1m: i meant hero rom on g1 Jul 22 04:35:13 from 4-5 sources Jul 22 04:35:21 twois10: i got hero on magic =D Jul 22 04:35:39 k4r1m: i just installed jackhero Jul 22 04:36:24 twois10: whats the issue u having? Jul 22 04:36:50 k4r1m: it seemed a little slow at 1st Jul 22 04:37:28 twois10: use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532822 Jul 22 04:37:38 k4r1m: and plus i was wondering is there is anything i need to know Jul 22 04:38:39 hey i thought google voice was supposed to convert all my voice mails to text? Jul 22 04:39:11 and i thought i could "listen in" while they're making a voice mail? Jul 22 04:39:16 you can Jul 22 04:39:19 i just tried it Jul 22 04:39:31 in your GV settings there are 2 ways to answer calls Jul 22 04:39:37 i didn't get any notification telling me "hey, someone is leaving u a voice mail, listen in now" Jul 22 04:39:39 1 makes the call connect immediately when you answer your phone Jul 22 04:39:47 the other gives you a voice menu when you answer Jul 22 04:39:53 great my swap is enabled and working Jul 22 04:39:54 "to answer, press 1, to listen in, press 2", etc Jul 22 04:39:56 oh Jul 22 04:40:04 twois that's awesome Jul 22 04:40:56 internal sd free 80mb Jul 22 04:40:59 what about the transcripts? Jul 22 04:41:09 transcribed voicemails* Jul 22 04:42:02 ah, seems the led does not work on hero Jul 22 04:42:31 lol.. I'm using 40MB of 295MB of internal memory Jul 22 04:42:39 twois: what handset? Jul 22 04:43:06 Radix_: gi Jul 22 04:43:09 g1 Jul 22 04:43:14 Ahh k Jul 22 04:43:36 you guys have a lot less internal flash space for roms/apps don't you? Jul 22 04:43:40 just installed jackhero rom and am lost Jul 22 04:44:25 Radix_: lol hahaha just noticed same here Jul 22 04:44:42 Radix_: am using a2sd for the 1st time. 128mb swap, 512 ext4, and 14.33gb fat32 Jul 22 04:46:22 when i say rom i mean build Jul 22 04:46:59 hm http://pastebin.ca/1502786 Jul 22 04:47:01 k4r1m: yeah.. I'm using Amon_RA's v1 rom and it's extremely light - it must have been around 30MB used before I started installing apps Jul 22 04:48:44 Radix_: i got cm's recovery to work =p well for 32A, since 32b was already working ;] Jul 22 04:49:25 isn't Amon_RA's recovery already based on CM's stuff? Jul 22 04:49:52 anyone looked at how the resources.asrc files are created? http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/frameworks/base/tools/aapt/Resource.cpp and created something to reverse the process to get resources back out of a resources.asrc file? Jul 22 04:49:53 hm nope Jul 22 04:50:19 am not liking the fact camera button on jack hero does not work Jul 22 04:50:28 that is a major break point Jul 22 04:50:39 Radix_: its based on some ion recovery Jul 22 04:51:04 twois10: file a bug Jul 22 04:51:28 spikebike: is it a bug or a known issue? Jul 22 04:51:50 twois10: nfi, can you just use the touch screen Jul 22 04:52:18 ? Jul 22 04:52:19 twois10: it may be a known issue that is unknown to the developers because no one has filed a bug report :) Jul 22 04:52:35 k4r1m: Oh, ok.. so what advantages does a CM recovery offer over what he has already? Jul 22 04:52:52 ok, i will file a bug, but the app itself looks like it works Jul 22 04:52:58 just not the button Jul 22 04:54:03 so use the touchscreen Jul 22 04:54:57 twois10: maybe your camera button is broken ;-) Jul 22 04:55:03 man, hero is nice, just need to resolve this little issues Jul 22 04:55:09 spikebike: nope Jul 22 04:55:36 is the hero image slower on a non-hero than a hero? Jul 22 04:56:12 i would not know since i just installed it on my g1. i dont have the hero device Jul 22 04:56:52 thought you (or anyone) might have heard Jul 22 04:57:18 im anxously awaiting a g1 killer android device Jul 22 04:57:29 another anoyance, unable to start wifi Jul 22 04:57:42 maybe my wifi is broken, lol Jul 22 04:58:10 i think there is an apk file though for this Jul 22 04:58:21 ive heard that before, thought it was fixed Jul 22 05:01:06 ok likes like wifi is broken in 2.74 Jul 22 05:01:12 * spikebike marvels at google voice Jul 22 05:01:30 as well as bluetooth Jul 22 05:02:01 but the rom is fast though, at least its got that Jul 22 05:02:27 i wonder if/when/hero will hit the usa Jul 22 05:02:42 AT&T has it in the US, right? Jul 22 05:03:13 oh? now? Jul 22 05:04:18 maybe not. http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/02/htc-hero-hits-fcc-with-us-3g/ Jul 22 05:10:13 Woot off!!!!!! Jul 22 05:15:33 damnit. not a wootoff. Jul 22 05:15:34 *sigh* Jul 22 05:15:42 poor f5 key Jul 22 05:16:14 if you using FF get reload every add on Jul 22 05:16:39 what's the problem: Jul 22 05:16:41 adb push wlan.ko /system/lib/modules Jul 22 05:16:42 presses the f5 for you Jul 22 05:16:42 failed to copy 'wlan.ko' to '/system/lib/modules/wlan.ko': Read-only file system Jul 22 05:16:56 I actually use wooters.us Jul 22 05:17:14 the f5 was just a joke :p Jul 22 05:17:51 twois10: adb remount? Jul 22 05:18:31 JesusFreke: thanks much Jul 22 05:19:45 1 down 3 2 go Jul 22 05:20:43 32 what? Jul 22 05:21:47 three more issues to go Jul 22 05:22:35 camera button, led (notification), and blutooth Jul 22 05:25:14 Oh my god Jul 22 05:25:19 this is so kick ass Jul 22 05:25:30 I am such a nub android developer Jul 22 05:25:41 but I already got an app created to stream music and stuff Jul 22 05:25:48 man they make it so easy Jul 22 05:27:05 * amason_ hands Spyrorocks a tissue Jul 22 05:28:00 twois10: what do you have to copy that module for? what kernel is this? device? Jul 22 05:29:59 tmzt: hero rom, i believe its kernel 2.6.29 wlan module for a g1 device Jul 22 05:33:18 damnit. I don't need 3 usb hubs Jul 22 05:33:20 * JesusFreke hits the buy button Jul 22 05:34:26 is there something like powertop available for the android platform Jul 22 05:35:54 <_Auron|G1_> JF: o.o Jul 22 05:37:21 guys is there like a hud for the g1? so one usb cna charge phone while another listens to music? Jul 22 05:37:39 amason_: powertop? it shoudl work but you might need to compile a kernel Jul 22 05:37:57 actually, android has something like that built in, look in the logs Jul 22 05:38:18 tmzt: i was actually just curious if there was much difference in the power usage between kernels Jul 22 05:38:28 what's going to be the successor to the G1 (with a keyboard) ? Jul 22 05:38:43 if moving to a newer kernel would help power wise. Jul 22 05:38:55 Enter text here...hey...im total noob...need some help Jul 22 05:38:57 anyone? Jul 22 05:39:20 involving using python2.5 Jul 22 05:39:22 darthmowgli: we don't know if we can help as we haven't got any information on your problem Jul 22 05:39:50 no clue as to how to use it...or open the desired file inside it Jul 22 05:40:11 anyone? Jul 22 05:40:55 im clueless as to what this program is capable of...but from what i understand i am able to open certain game files with it Jul 22 05:41:06 edit and re-compress Jul 22 05:42:10 darthmowgli: python is a programming language Jul 22 05:42:27 eh....the python 2.5 msi program? Jul 22 05:42:40 im noob....lol Jul 22 05:43:33 sorry to bother.....but ty for ur time Jul 22 05:43:46 ok then..... Jul 22 05:45:42 so hero is touchscreen only, dream is too, no one wants to make another keyboard-slide device? Jul 22 05:46:40 typing on a touchscreen sucks Jul 22 05:47:06 yep :) i have a magic, its ok. but the keypad is better Jul 22 05:47:44 that new xperia android phone Jul 22 05:47:46 is going to pwn Jul 22 05:47:55 4" 800x480 display, 8MP camera... Jul 22 05:50:30 hey tmzt Jul 22 05:51:03 hey gigawizzy Jul 22 05:51:25 yo Jul 22 05:51:39 but no keyboard, why not just use the amss on an x1 (if possible) Jul 22 05:51:53 tmzt, ive been trying to catch you on for quite a while Jul 22 05:52:22 ive got a few questions about the akmd service Jul 22 05:52:38 as i think that is my problem with my accel and compass not working on my g1 Jul 22 05:52:44 don't know much about it, but go ahead and ask Jul 22 05:52:49 ive got most of what ive tried outlined here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533749 Jul 22 05:53:00 the calibration things? Jul 22 05:53:04 yeah Jul 22 05:53:11 you delete a file Jul 22 05:53:14 my phone doesnt seem to be creating it at all Jul 22 05:53:20 find /data |grep akpm Jul 22 05:53:22 no file to delete Jul 22 05:53:23 oh Jul 22 05:53:29 yeah, i know Jul 22 05:53:52 both sensors worked great in pre-cupcake builds (RC29,33) Jul 22 05:54:04 but dont work in any cupcake build i have tried Jul 22 05:54:22 and i have done multiple wipes Jul 22 05:54:27 hoping that would solve it too Jul 22 05:54:43 i may end up going to to cyanogen's rom for the moment, jackhero is nice and fast, but needs a few things resolved Jul 22 05:55:27 yeah, akmd is running Jul 22 05:55:32 right Jul 22 05:55:48 anything in dmesg? Jul 22 05:55:52 but it doesnt seem to be properly generating the calibration data it needs Jul 22 05:55:57 it's almost certainly not related to radio Jul 22 05:56:03 nothing i can really see Jul 22 05:56:17 what would i be looking for, just any output from dmesg | grep akmd Jul 22 05:56:19 ? Jul 22 05:56:55 i know my way around linux pretty well, so let me know what i should try Jul 22 05:56:58 dmesg |grep akm Jul 22 05:57:00 probably Jul 22 05:57:08 k, let me see what it says Jul 22 05:57:22 later guys Jul 22 05:57:33 hey Jul 22 05:57:41 was that still the sta wifi driver? Jul 22 05:57:42 it returns nothing Jul 22 05:57:45 not wl12xx Jul 22 05:58:16 Gigawatts: is /sys/bus/i2c/devices Jul 22 05:58:21 find /sys/bus/i2c/devices Jul 22 05:58:36 the first one was ls Jul 22 05:58:58 it returned 5 lines, you want me to post them here? Jul 22 05:59:01 or in a pm? Jul 22 05:59:06 heh: Jul 22 05:59:06 Usage: don't use this Jul 22 05:59:12 /system/bin # dexopt Jul 22 05:59:16 Usage: don't use this Jul 22 05:59:32 5 lines should be okay, as long as the don't carriage return after each one Jul 22 06:00:07 it did, lol, its in your pm Jul 22 06:00:15 ok Jul 22 06:00:25 we need to find which on of those is the akmd Jul 22 06:00:35 not sure of the i2c address Jul 22 06:00:56 was this trout? Jul 22 06:01:24 which? Jul 22 06:01:29 2C_BOARD_INFO("akm8976", 0x1C), Jul 22 06:01:40 okay, so look in 1c Jul 22 06:02:19 so cat /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-001c? Jul 22 06:02:35 it just returns "invalid length" Jul 22 06:03:21 do, no look at the files in there Jul 22 06:04:30 when you wipe do u lose the the market apps if u r using apps2sd? Jul 22 06:05:24 ls -la shows it is a simlink to ../../../devices/platform/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-001c Jul 22 06:05:45 we need the device entry, and the driver Jul 22 06:06:01 but the point is it sees the device, which I thought it did Jul 22 06:06:04 anything in logcat? Jul 22 06:07:37 lots, yeah, but id need help determining whats important Jul 22 06:08:11 more output in pm Jul 22 06:08:38 Off topic: does anyone here work in UPS? Jul 22 06:08:46 hi Jul 22 06:08:58 guys, has anyone flashed CM-3.6.8.1 yet ? Jul 22 06:09:10 Just did. Jul 22 06:09:11 oo new one agian? Jul 22 06:09:15 (looks for it) Jul 22 06:09:21 i was about to, to see if that happens to fix my problems Jul 22 06:09:29 as well as the HardSPL Jul 22 06:09:40 Gigawatts: ah right, can you copy calibration from you rc29 or somewhere else? Jul 22 06:09:46 im on 3.6.8.1 Jul 22 06:09:54 or is there a normal calibration proceedure? Jul 22 06:10:05 thats what i was hoping i could find out Jul 22 06:10:13 Do you get a problem when you try to run your application through sdk (activity manager) ? Jul 22 06:10:22 see if i can tell the process to create the calibration data Jul 22 06:10:41 I'm trying to run my application through eclipse but I get this error "ActivityManager: /system/bin/sh: am: not found" Jul 22 06:10:45 i could get the calibration file from rc29, but i would have to reflash to get it Jul 22 06:10:50 maannj I haven't tried Jul 22 06:10:51 am? Jul 22 06:11:02 although I can clearly see the file is there in shell Jul 22 06:11:28 noonehereyet: do you know what could be the problem ? Jul 22 06:11:35 I cannot for the life of me figure out how to hide the vertical scrollbar in the android browser. Can anyone help? Jul 22 06:11:49 Gigawatts: well, it must get the initial calibration from somewhere, I don't think it does from mtd Jul 22 06:13:00 also, several of the dev documents if seen online talk about configuring the init script that defines and calls the akmd service Jul 22 06:13:18 the only refernce i see to it on my phone is the init.trout.rc file Jul 22 06:13:29 and it is calling it from /system/bin/akmd Jul 22 06:13:43 the dev docuements i saw were calling it from /sbin/akmd Jul 22 06:14:10 as i dont have a working setup i can look at, i dont know which is right Jul 22 06:15:30 so is there a way of finding out how the init script calls the akmd process to generate the calibration data? and can it be replicated? Jul 22 06:15:56 or am i looking in the completely wrong spot to fix this? Jul 22 06:16:17 I would think so, what is the reference in init.rc.trout? Jul 22 06:16:48 everything in sbin is a symlink I think Jul 22 06:17:00 but I didn't know it symlinked to /system/bin/ Jul 22 06:17:27 the ONLY file i have in /sbin is adbd Jul 22 06:17:43 which does not appear to be a simlink Jul 22 06:18:02 pm shows init.trout.rc reference Jul 22 06:18:19 can you strace it? Jul 22 06:18:24 the akmd Jul 22 06:18:36 never used strace, how does that work? Jul 22 06:18:49 I don't think that has to do with calibrating, I though it was supposed to calibrate if the file was deleted Jul 22 06:19:05 strace -e stat,open /system/bin/akmd Jul 22 06:19:47 I cannot for the life of me figure out how to hide the vertical scrollbar in the android browser. Can anyone help? Jul 22 06:21:05 strace output in pm, its not very pretty, lol Jul 22 06:27:23 Gigawatts: not sure what the last one is, can you paste just that line here? Jul 22 06:28:11 yeah, i was just about to give you more output i see it giving when i lock/unlock the phone Jul 22 06:28:32 open("/dev/akm8976_daemon", O_RDWR|O_EXCL|O_NOCTTY|O_LARGEFILE|0x34) = 6 Jul 22 06:28:34 open("/data/misc/akmd_set.txt", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such fileor directory) Jul 22 06:29:15 so its acknowledging the akmd_set.txt file is missing Jul 22 06:29:23 yeah Jul 22 06:29:24 but what creates this file? Jul 22 06:29:33 not sure Jul 22 06:29:42 touch it, see what happens Jul 22 06:30:02 i tried that as well, then when i lock/unlock it gives this... Jul 22 06:30:35 im going to post this in the pm, its about 8 lines Jul 22 06:31:19 ls -lh /dev/akm* Jul 22 06:31:22 here Jul 22 06:31:54 ls -lh /dev/akm* Jul 22 06:31:56 crw-r----- 1 1008 1000 10, 47 Jul 22 01:42 /dev/akm8976_aot Jul 22 06:31:57 crw-r----- 1 1008 1000 10, 48 Jul 22 01:42 /dev/akm8976_daemon Jul 22 06:31:59 crw-r----- 1 1008 1000 10, 46 Jul 22 01:42 /dev/akm8976_pffd Jul 22 06:32:17 oh, those are really specials Jul 22 06:32:21 devices, I mean Jul 22 06:33:29 cat /dev/akm8976_aot > /dev/null Jul 22 06:34:09 operation not permitted Jul 22 06:34:25 yeh, I see that Jul 22 06:35:15 only ioctls's and they overlap Jul 22 06:35:17 anyone can tell me what the fastest 8gb microsdhc is? i wish someone out there did benchmark tests with all currently sold microsdhcs, i just don't know which one to get next...sandisk? transcend? kingston? Jul 22 06:35:18 confusing Jul 22 06:35:58 it looks like a userspace issue though Jul 22 06:36:10 and without source for akmd, hard to debug Jul 22 06:36:23 yeah Jul 22 06:36:46 is there a good way to execute what need to be run as root, and avoid the possibliity of the "compass" user messing it up? Jul 22 06:36:52 you did touch on the data file? Jul 22 06:36:59 ah Jul 22 06:37:12 is 1008 compass? Jul 22 06:37:21 i think so Jul 22 06:37:22 getpwent compass should tell you I think Jul 22 06:37:25 let me check Jul 22 06:38:04 yeah, a whoami as user compass returns "unknown uid 1008" Jul 22 06:40:33 and yes, after i touched the akmd_set.txt file and locked/unlocked, it gave the output currently in your pm Jul 22 06:41:18 and logcat? Jul 22 06:42:34 it gives Jul 22 06:42:39 D/AKMD ( 879): akmd 1.6.4 START Jul 22 06:42:40 D/AKMD ( 879): library version: 1.2.1.1129 Jul 22 06:42:42 D/AKMD ( 879): Compass OPEN Jul 22 06:42:43 D/Sensors ( 90): M-Sensor status 0 Jul 22 06:42:51 which is definatly less errors than before Jul 22 06:42:56 let me try rebooting, see what it does Jul 22 06:42:58 can you calibrate somehow? Jul 22 06:43:23 he tmzt thanks for the help earlier Jul 22 06:43:35 n0dz and Vol_ helpe me figure it out Jul 22 06:43:40 what was it? Jul 22 06:44:00 I had not set up a configuration Jul 22 06:44:08 the tutorial left that part out Jul 22 06:44:41 what for? sorry that was like yesterday for me Jul 22 06:45:26 I guess the figured like one of my old college professors. When he would spend a half hour putting a big proof on the board and the whole class is glassy eyed and does not understand the first thing he said. Jul 22 06:45:31 Hey woudl say at the end Jul 22 06:45:42 i attempted to run the calibrate option from "bubble", and it just gave me Jul 22 06:45:46 D/Sensors ( 931): M-Sensor status 1 Jul 22 06:45:47 D/Sensors ( 90): M-Sensor status 1 Jul 22 06:45:50 "It should be intuitivley obvious to the casual observer" Jul 22 06:46:14 didnt write anything to the file either Jul 22 06:50:34 hmm Jul 22 06:50:47 upon reboot, my akmd_set.txt file is now full Jul 22 06:50:57 but nothing has changed Jul 22 06:53:40 i pasted some more relevant output from logcat this time around Jul 22 06:57:15 i feel like im very close Jul 22 06:58:19 * EugeneKay has a sudden urge to multiply by 1.21 Jul 22 06:58:28 =] Jul 22 06:58:47 with a certain capacitor, mayhaps? Jul 22 06:59:47 mayhaps Jul 22 07:03:46 oh noez, i must have sucked tmzt dry of his akmd knowledge, some send a medic! Jul 22 07:06:29 lolll Jul 22 07:06:38 where is he anyhow Jul 22 07:07:32 xda-devs, chatting up a storm Jul 22 07:07:42 oh ya? Jul 22 07:08:27 indeed Jul 22 07:08:48 ive never been in there till now o.o Jul 22 07:08:58 and Gigawatts did he ever get back to you about that thing? Jul 22 07:09:11 I am totally trying Chrome OS on this Notebook. Jul 22 07:09:19 ...k Jul 22 07:09:23 Installing xfce atm in attempts to speed it up. Jul 22 07:09:26 tell me how that goes Jul 22 07:09:36 yeah, we have been chatting here for the last 30 mins or so Jul 22 07:09:36 GDM and KDM just seem way too bloated Jul 22 07:09:45 trying to figure out what the root problem is Jul 22 07:10:17 nice Jul 22 07:10:18 chrome os isnt released yet, is it? Jul 22 07:10:20 Gary|tp: try kdrive X server, if you want it to be faster Jul 22 07:10:34 and yes, forget kdm/gdm, a nodm for desktops would be nice Jul 22 07:10:41 xdm is always small enough though Jul 22 07:11:12 tmzt: there is a new string of output in your pm Jul 22 07:11:25 jdm is the coolest Jul 22 07:11:27 about 20 lines, starting at ######################## Jul 22 07:11:51 twois10: u here? Jul 22 07:12:37 tmzt: also, it seems that whatever process is supposed to create akmd_set.txt will not, but if it is allready there, it gets filled with strings on reboot Jul 22 07:12:40 Gigawatts: I saw it, doesn't help much Jul 22 07:12:43 but still doesnt seem to work Jul 22 07:12:50 ok Jul 22 07:13:25 so i now have a "full" set.txt, but nothing seemes to have changed for the better Jul 22 07:14:58 Gigawatts: did you say your phone's accelerometer never works? Jul 22 07:15:07 (it cant work without that file can it?) Jul 22 07:15:11 no, it works fine in RC29 and RC33 Jul 22 07:15:18 hum Jul 22 07:15:20 but does not seem to work in any cupcake build Jul 22 07:15:29 that's weird as hell Jul 22 07:15:36 official adp, jf 1.51, cyan anything Jul 22 07:15:43 but both 33 and 29 worked Jul 22 07:15:59 thats so messed up Jul 22 07:16:07 and i have repeatidly wiped each time i flash a new rom Jul 22 07:16:10 the image is all that should affect it, there's nothing else but recovery and the spl Jul 22 07:16:24 right, and ive changed the recovery around as well Jul 22 07:16:25 and those surely dont affect accelerometer calibration Jul 22 07:16:36 from stock to cyans 1.3.1 to jf 1.41 Jul 22 07:16:51 i like cyan's recovery because of the nandroid restore Jul 22 07:16:53 im just about to flash the HardSPL Jul 22 07:17:08 oh you havent done that yet? usually people do that when they root Jul 22 07:17:11 see if that effects it at all, plus, it will let me nandroid yesh Jul 22 07:17:18 yeah, i hadnt gotten around to it Jul 22 07:17:24 okie Jul 22 07:17:28 but thats what im doing as we speek Jul 22 07:17:29 speak Jul 22 07:17:35 well i'm not sure if it'll help, but we can sure find out :P Jul 22 07:17:40 yup Jul 22 07:17:44 thats what i figured Jul 22 07:18:04 i cant imagine why an image that works for EVERYONE else doesnt work for me Jul 22 07:18:34 lol i have no idea, but i've had plenty of unique problems with android myself Jul 22 07:19:04 id take it into a store and demand a replacement, but i got it from ebay :P Jul 22 07:19:16 i got mine from craigslist Jul 22 07:19:31 and i am a at&t customer, so i dont think they would like that either Jul 22 07:19:33 nice Jul 22 07:19:43 get a good deal on it? Jul 22 07:19:45 i'm an AT&T customer too heh Jul 22 07:19:51 i traded my xbox 360 for it Jul 22 07:20:13 depending on how close it was to RROD'ing, that may have been a really good deal :) Jul 22 07:20:22 lol it was my 3rd xbox 360 Jul 22 07:20:25 the first 2 got RROD Jul 22 07:20:33 yeah, im on my 2nd Jul 22 07:20:35 sorta Jul 22 07:20:49 first one slowly RROD'd it self to death Jul 22 07:21:00 then my friend bought a new one b/c his laser died Jul 22 07:21:26 ugh, just replace the dvd drive Jul 22 07:21:35 so effin easy, i did that on my old xbox like 3 times in 6 years Jul 22 07:21:47 so he gave me the broken xbox, i used my good dvd drive, reflashed its firmware with his drives serial #, and ive got a working box :) Jul 22 07:22:13 nice Jul 22 07:22:21 and flashed a 160gb laptop sata drive to be a 120gb hdd Jul 22 07:22:33 so yeah, that was a nice upgrade Jul 22 07:22:39 from a clueless friend Jul 22 07:22:42 i had a 160gb hdd in my old xbox Jul 22 07:22:58 i told him exactly what i was going to do with it too, and he was happy for me Jul 22 07:23:00 lol Jul 22 07:23:19 silly Jul 22 07:23:20 but he had the $, didnt want to bother with replacing parts Jul 22 07:23:32 more xbox for me Jul 22 07:23:40 rich bastard Jul 22 07:23:46 heh Jul 22 07:25:10 before i flash the spl, what radio do you need before you flash the Hardspl? Jul 22 07:25:21 2.22.19.26i ? Jul 22 07:26:13 you can do HardSPL with any radio Jul 22 07:26:18 just dont do haykuro's SPL Jul 22 07:26:28 with haykuro's, you NEED the newer 1.5 radio Jul 22 07:26:29 k Jul 22 07:26:37 which i think is what i have anyway Jul 22 07:26:46 yeah probably Jul 22 07:32:06 ok i'm out, take it easy everyone Jul 22 07:33:38 good night Jul 22 07:46:12 i am so drinkt Jul 22 07:46:14 i am so drunkt Jul 22 07:46:18 dr u nk t Jul 22 07:46:20 drukt Jul 22 07:49:29 Okey.. a question for anyone awake - what is an odex file and what does it do? is it automatically generated? Jul 22 07:55:19 automatically genereated -> yes Jul 22 07:56:02 what is it? Jul 22 07:56:03 For more details about this, see dalvik/docs/dexopt.html in the GIT Jul 22 07:56:04 source tree. Jul 22 07:56:43 so if I'm replacing an existing package, should I delete it as part of the process? Jul 22 07:56:57 this are optimized dex files. Jul 22 07:57:16 you should, but they will be re"compiled" after next boot Jul 22 07:57:50 okey, so it takes a reboot to regenerate them Jul 22 07:58:04 afaik yes. Jul 22 07:58:16 That's partly why a first boot is so slow? Jul 22 07:58:22 Kinnoken: yip Jul 22 07:58:44 Was having a play with this new launcher with 5 homes earlier.. trying to understand what's necessary to install it Jul 22 07:58:54 Kinnoken: you can see this easy: fire up adb lolcat and watch boot Jul 22 07:59:01 lolcat? Jul 22 07:59:05 ahahahaha. Jul 22 07:59:11 Kinnoken: yes lolcat Jul 22 07:59:17 it crashed and burned on my rom anyway, logcat spat out errors Jul 22 07:59:27 It was more a rhetorical question, but thanks. Jul 22 08:00:03 too tired to check this sorry :) Jul 22 08:00:13 It's cool. Jul 22 08:00:19 9 days, only 4-5 hours sleep a night is not enough. Jul 22 08:03:33 I hear ya. Jul 22 08:03:37 I need more sleep myself. Jul 22 08:49:35 http://www.slashgear.com/htc-click-spotted-in-wild-entry-level-android-for-later-in-2009-2249972/ i guess they remembered that they said something about there is going to be 18 android phones by the end of 09... Jul 22 08:56:02 if it uses the "Brew Mobile Platform" and Sense UI, how exactly is it android? Jul 22 08:56:24 it seems it might be a msm6k device if that's the case Jul 22 08:56:52 anyone know what the screen bezel is about? Jul 22 08:57:00 is the resolution lower than hvga? Jul 22 08:58:42 hi everybody Jul 22 08:58:51 \o Jul 22 08:59:19 does voice search on gmaps work for you? Jul 22 09:01:22 * tech9iner just wishes public transit worked on g1's gmaps.. Jul 22 09:02:06 my voice search is just crashing now. Jul 22 09:02:20 Tried on maps, crashed... tried somewhere else, crash... Jul 22 09:02:39 ok Jul 22 09:02:39 time for a reboot Jul 22 09:05:18 oh, apparently my voice search isn't working anymore. Jul 22 09:05:25 So it could be unrelated. Jul 22 09:06:43 ok Jul 22 09:06:53 W/dalvikvm( 321): Exception Ljava/lang/UnsatisfiedLinkError; thrown during Lcom/google/android/voicesearch/endpointer/MicrophoneInputStream;. Jul 22 09:07:06 I'm sure it was working before... Jul 22 09:07:09 is this a new image/rom? Jul 22 09:07:54 tmzt, my Rom is a fucked up mess... but I still tend to think it was working. Jul 22 09:08:28 wait a minute, where is my speech library? Jul 22 09:08:45 hrm... Jul 22 09:08:51 lol Jul 22 09:09:25 :D Jul 22 09:09:41 There we go, put my speech library back. Jul 22 09:09:47 Now to test in google maps. Jul 22 09:10:07 what do you mean put it back? Jul 22 09:10:12 a missing apk? Jul 22 09:10:20 libspeech.so Jul 22 09:10:33 I think it went missing when I did a nandroid restore. Jul 22 09:10:55 ah, so a jni library Jul 22 09:10:57 deus13, voice search seems to work in my gmaps. Jul 22 09:11:53 is that library used for all mic input? Jul 22 09:14:33 * tech9iner .... m u s t ....... w i p e ......... g1... 2.... t w o..... t o o sickNtired of force closes on his jf cupcake.. Jul 22 09:14:59 tech9iner, switch to cyanogen :P Jul 22 09:17:46 tmzt, not sure. Jul 22 09:32:03 hmm.. cyanogen eh.. last refs to those img's = bleeding edge?.. bit too mission critical business use here for bleeding edge on me g1 ;]].. similarly why i use opensuse distro in place of me first sux2tux migrations yrs back to fedora core ;]].. fedora bit to hi-maintenance / bleeding edge for mCritical bitsNbytes as it were.. Jul 22 09:32:33 * tech9iner googles up cyanogen for chitz n giggles.. Jul 22 09:32:57 cyanogen: sorry mate.. just now realized i was tagging your nick.. mea culpa Jul 22 09:59:01 What is the biggest reason to get G1 ? Jul 22 09:59:46 It kicks ass. Jul 22 09:59:54 ? heh.. impossible to answer question tarelerulz Jul 22 10:00:19 tarelerulz: wtf's most important to each person's cellphone / pda needs....... period Jul 22 10:02:27 hi, can you reproduce that android bug : http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/042667043fcf3c82 Jul 22 10:03:12 Do any of you Listen to music and watch videos on It ? That is one of the big thing I want working on it. So when I not calling people I can kill time easy. Jul 22 10:06:13 tarelerulz - your battery life will be terrible Jul 22 10:06:37 If you want a portable media player, buy one of those. Jul 22 10:06:46 Zune or iPod Jul 22 10:10:22 The odd thing is being an open source phone for the most part don't seem to be working for it as much as it could be . I mean making app for taget like phone seem like great place to work out. I can't think of any real big thing that runs Linux that normal person would ever see. Jul 22 10:11:40 tivo? Jul 22 10:11:48 bad example in a lot of ways though Jul 22 10:14:29 ? there are daily ever more embedded linux OS's for likewise ever more hardware / systems tarelerulz .. hmmmm Jul 22 10:15:16 * tech9iner chuckles recalling how many tux pc's etc one could buy off say BestBuy shelves just 5 yrs past.. Jul 22 10:16:06 none? Jul 22 10:16:30 boxed distrobutions, sure Jul 22 10:16:37 they also have a mini now which is linux Jul 22 10:18:55 dam i just went to a different galaxy for like the past 15 mins Jul 22 10:19:09 i can not remember a single thing lmao Jul 22 10:19:25 * tech9iner ?.. checks channel.. #newage ?.. nooooo Jul 22 10:19:48 does anyone know...isnt there a command that you can do that will incraese your max volume on your g1? Jul 22 10:20:01 tech9iner: lol Jul 22 10:21:14 nflava: wy praytell mate?.. i'm infamously hard of hearing.. but find i must turn down g1's volume a bit more often than not.. aside from those times next to airport etc.. Jul 22 10:21:40 that said.. i dont use g1 2 ear much.. either bt headset.. or earbuds Jul 22 10:21:53 well my alarm clock used to be louder in the morning now it seems quieter Jul 22 10:22:14 nflava: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517745 Jul 22 10:22:16 over the weekend i tried to reflash a few time so i dunno...it just seems quieter now Jul 22 10:22:52 the ringer i dont care about lol i just need the alarm louder Jul 22 10:22:57 thanks itp Jul 22 10:29:17 i am using windows XP and i want to use ADB. i downloaded android-sdk-windows-1.5_r3 but i am unable to install driver even if i show th path to WIndows USB driver installer Jul 22 10:29:18 android-sdk-windows-1.5_r3\usb_driver\x86 Jul 22 10:29:22 can anyone help me Jul 22 10:33:27 dont you have to add it from the device manager Jul 22 10:34:51 hi guys Jul 22 10:35:02 how do i add it. i went through the Found HardWare wizard Jul 22 10:35:08 hi all Jul 22 10:35:10 im being told from my network provider that there's no way of unlocking an htc magic to all networks Jul 22 10:35:17 is this true? Jul 22 10:35:36 hello apfel Jul 22 10:35:38 thats not true all phone have to be able to be unlocked its the law Jul 22 10:35:52 how are you? Jul 22 10:36:02 if your in the uk you might not be able to get on 3 network Jul 22 10:36:04 they told me that there's a similar situation with the new blackberry, that they can't unlock that either Jul 22 10:36:08 well you cant put it on like a sprint or verizon network Jul 22 10:36:11 they have different sim carded called usim Jul 22 10:36:25 im in the uk; I just want it unlocked so I can copy of o2 contacts from an old phone Jul 22 10:36:31 S27, if you make something make really good media player . Something that let you organize video into stuff like tv show names , episodes , genre . I would even pay you if you did such god would I . that is all that is keeping from getting g1 Jul 22 10:37:00 the o2 data network is down in the uk at the mo well for some it is including me well sucks Jul 22 10:37:06 its been down for 11 hours Jul 22 10:38:44 so if by law all phones need to be unlockable, then by law do network providers have to provide the service of unlocking them? Jul 22 10:40:40 apfelsaft: where are you? Jul 22 10:43:38 im in the uk Jul 22 10:44:17 why the hell do so few apps have an "exit" function? Jul 22 10:44:19 >_< Jul 22 10:45:07 tarelerulz: what are you saying? Jul 22 10:47:46 what's the best facebook app? Jul 22 10:47:49 aah, so many questions Jul 22 10:48:53 * apic lost the E-Prime game Jul 22 10:49:15 ugh, trying to get through to htc phone hotline... can't get htc sync working Jul 22 10:49:53 please ask them if they themselves can give the info for unlocking an htc magic Jul 22 10:49:56 x) Jul 22 10:50:59 s27, I am saying all I see missing from the g1 and the main reason I have not gotten one is the media player support seems very limited . I have played with ipods and you can organize the movies on it very well . it is ok if you just have couple of movies you want on it . If you had like whole season it you would need better system . Like the ipod has Jul 22 10:52:49 theres a third party app for file management, video playing, etc. Jul 22 10:53:33 i'd love foobar2000 on my phone Jul 22 10:53:40 or moc Jul 22 10:53:50 in a yakuake Jul 22 10:55:09 apfelsft, you ever try watching like say season of something on it . See if you could really watch it easy and not lot of work. Jul 22 10:56:03 i think maybe your just accustomed to the ipod way of doing things Jul 22 10:56:58 there's so many bloody apps for menstrual cycle Jul 22 10:57:01 wtf Jul 22 10:57:09 haha Jul 22 10:57:19 Somebody steal your idea? Jul 22 10:57:36 apfelsaft: saves on Midol inventories worldwide?.. hadnt heard? Jul 22 10:57:39 they should do one for guys that sets off an alarm Jul 22 10:57:50 a LOUD one. Jul 22 10:57:59 The reason I like the ipod way so much it seem good idea for something that is handheld device . I don't like messing with something to much when I am say setting in the park . Handheld should be easy not like a computer . Jul 22 10:58:01 \o blau-mikeDG Jul 22 11:06:33 tarelerulz: which iPod? Jul 22 11:08:33 I have used from nano to touch and the both have great ui. It seem if I would have know how to make it so the ipod would organize the videos better . I could have all my videos easy to look though by such things as ep and season . Jul 22 11:09:42 :( Jul 22 11:10:46 i just sold my ipod touch to my gf yesterday Jul 22 11:13:50 blau-mikeDG: that is to bad. It is one of the cooler ipods I have ever had. If my system could just see it as an external hard drive . I would have all the cool app I could handle . One thing I found cool for the older one was the rang of cool apps. The coolest one I saw was something like itunes ,but it was on the ipod itself . Floola I think. It was for win,mac and Linux and let you do all the same stuff . Plus it let you couple stuff from any Jul 22 11:16:04 the hero looks amazing Jul 22 11:16:20 makes me want to ditch my iphone 3GS Jul 22 11:16:54 you would be going back quite a bit in hardware Jul 22 11:18:38 see I see the touch as a computer, not an mp3 player, it's just too powerful for that Jul 22 11:18:51 but it's also a good mp3 player I would think (don't have one) Jul 22 11:24:24 G1 other such thing are really computers that you hold . My computer does couple of key things look up information well , plays my movies and music and chat on it . It seem like google just put the phone out there and really did not think about how it would be used. really making the phone for what people will use it for . Even one else seems to get that. Good thing android is an os . I hope other add to it what it needs to be real phone os . the to Jul 22 11:25:09 I'm not sure they see it that way Jul 22 11:25:40 guys, I need recommendations for two apps: something for facebook (I see there's more than one) and an all in one IM Jul 22 11:32:01 Being open source os on phone that everyone can get and trying to make that work in world that really has not seen such . That in itself is something to work out beyond what you normally do . Like anything new it takes company while to really see the good points of that idea . The truth it will take time for company to add all the need part to the os and phones to really take off and not just be dream Jul 22 11:32:30 android rocks Jul 22 11:34:40 SO Jul 22 11:34:50 dialekt! Jul 22 11:34:53 hi :) Jul 22 11:35:07 i miss everything about android Jul 22 11:36:07 i think i use itunes way too much in my everyday life to use any other phone :( Jul 22 11:37:26 im not a big music person Jul 22 11:37:26 dialekt, it easy to organize tv show into episodes and seasons with itunes ? Jul 22 11:37:33 my bluetooth headphoens have already falen in to the abyss Jul 22 11:37:41 probably Jul 22 11:37:48 i never cared to do so. Jul 22 11:37:57 unless i was synching to my device Jul 22 11:41:15 I all ways wanted to do that ,but since I use Linux and it never seem to work right I never got to try that . I know if you buy from the apple store I sure everything is tagged rigt so you could Jul 22 11:44:53 hi Jul 22 11:45:08 ihave a dream g2 android phone Jul 22 11:45:25 someone knows if can I deactivate the wap? Jul 22 11:45:39 dream g2? Jul 22 11:46:08 dream is no g2 Jul 22 11:46:23 the name of the movil is dream g2 Jul 22 11:46:27 dream is g1 or hero this is g2 in some countries. Jul 22 11:47:15 i think that dream g2 is a cheap copy of g1 Jul 22 11:47:59 does it have a keyboard? Jul 22 11:48:15 hw keyboard imean Jul 22 11:49:15 aha some googling gave the answer Jul 22 11:49:17 is there honestly no way of closing an app on android? or do I have to keep using a third party task man Jul 22 11:49:18 it's clone Jul 22 11:49:28 apfelsaft: why do you need to? Jul 22 11:49:37 good point Jul 22 11:49:45 surely it'll slow things down Jul 22 11:49:53 apfelsaft: it should not... Jul 22 11:49:59 apfelsaft: apps shall go to sleep mode. Jul 22 11:50:05 ah, I see Jul 22 11:50:09 ok then Jul 22 11:50:10 thanks =) Jul 22 11:50:15 you're welcome Jul 22 11:50:28 t4c: this is my phone http://tinyurl.com/krpn7j Jul 22 11:51:11 ahahaaha Jul 22 11:51:27 a chinese plagiarism Jul 22 11:51:30 indeed Jul 22 11:51:34 but it does run android Jul 22 11:51:42 so why doesn't Coke just make a video showing how useful popcans are to electronic hobbiests? Jul 22 12:12:39 hmmm, how can i share files via bluetooth? (htc magic) Jul 22 12:13:09 no Jul 22 12:13:11 eehm Jul 22 12:13:15 you can't Jul 22 12:13:30 only if you got root and this overpriced application, there is no obex support yet Jul 22 12:14:06 r u talking about bluex? Jul 22 12:14:16 and what are the risks to root the phone? Jul 22 12:14:50 you could loose warranty Jul 22 12:14:53 depends on where you live. Jul 22 12:15:03 maybe living in dream land ,but sharing files over wi-fi or blue tooth for the to and from the pc should be default and from g1 to g1 should be next Jul 22 12:15:30 it should but it is not. There is no OBEX support yet. Jul 22 12:15:38 so there is no way to share files with other phones? Jul 22 12:15:40 for sharing over wifi there are solutions, like ftp-client or ftp-server. Jul 22 12:15:47 Bluespuke: swap SDCard. Jul 22 12:15:52 Bluespuke: use eMail/MMS. Jul 22 12:16:33 bluex over priced? its only 2 euro Jul 22 12:16:36 :( my old phone doesn't has a sd card neither email... and MMS aren't very cheap. Jul 22 12:17:38 is there a way to connect my phone to ubuntu? each time i connect the usb i get the windows sync notification... Jul 22 12:17:58 i'm wondering why a linux phone could connect with windows but not with ubuntu. Jul 22 12:18:03 it can Jul 22 12:18:12 it's PEBCAK if it don't work. Jul 22 12:18:14 it works fine with linux. no problems at all. Jul 22 12:19:06 So what does Ubuntu see the g1 as ? are we talking it just see the g1 . No add software need on ubuntu Jul 22 12:20:10 you have to activate the usb connections in the notifications-menu of android after you connected it to the usb cable, after this the phone should appear as external hard drive in ubuntu. Jul 22 12:22:18 Gelb, that is what I wanted to hear. So much of the time to get Linux to use anything you have to jump though bunch of hoops. From there is simple drag and drop files into the right folder ? movies and music stuff . Jul 22 12:24:10 tarelerulz: yes. Jul 22 12:24:21 tarelerulz: as long as the movies are in the right format... Jul 22 12:25:45 How big of a sd card can the g1 take ? like 8 gb to 16 maybe Jul 22 12:26:12 atleast 8g works Jul 22 12:26:22 yes, I have a 8gb too. Jul 22 12:28:14 I just google android on the video section and from what I can see some of the up comping phone using android have some nice ui . Example Sony Ericsson Rachael UI Jul 22 12:30:56 hello Jul 22 12:31:08 anyone used debian? Jul 22 12:31:40 neure: used, yes Jul 22 12:31:48 not on a mobile phone though Jul 22 12:31:51 ah Jul 22 12:31:59 well i've put it into android emulator Jul 22 12:32:05 dream g2 movile have a 100½ android system? Jul 22 12:32:20 but it needs some trickery at every time i start it Jul 22 12:32:29 i'd like to make it boot directly to debian Jul 22 12:32:33 is normal cant see the market with a wifi conection but wiothout put the sim card? Jul 22 12:32:58 can you normally see the market? Jul 22 12:35:58 sipa1024: is my first time with android Jul 22 12:36:05 normailly where is android? Jul 22 12:36:23 aitiba: i've never used android (except in the emulator, which doesn't have a market) Jul 22 12:36:36 ok Jul 22 12:37:05 but i'd say: search for some android app available for download outside the market (eg. google for connectbot) Jul 22 12:37:21 if that installs and works, you can be pretty sure it's a real android you're running ;) Jul 22 12:38:25 i'm searching but I cant see anything Jul 22 12:49:08 How any phone are out that officially run android or will be coming out ? Jul 22 12:52:50 tarelerulz: http://phandroid.com/phones/ Jul 22 12:53:41 someone has ever use an sciphone magic g2? Jul 22 12:57:06 From what I have been seeing android is coming alone nicely . G1 not the best one by no means. It seem like the other phone are using it better Jul 22 12:58:46 g1 has a great keyboard Jul 22 13:01:52 What I mean stuff like the touch-screen keyboard being main feature in the new phones. If the one demo I saw is ever coming out they are make the ui smother looking and easy to use . G1 is great just like see they are doing different stuff. Maybe getter closer to something I will by Jul 22 13:03:46 capacitive screens are no joke Jul 22 13:03:54 thus having made it possible to not require a keyboard Jul 22 13:04:04 it's just that good usually Jul 22 13:04:20 obviously still up to the software people to implement a great virtual keyboard as well though Jul 22 13:04:28 which Apple & Google have both done Jul 22 13:04:36 capacitive screens suck Jul 22 13:05:18 not really but ok. Jul 22 13:05:25 what does iphone use? Jul 22 13:05:27 its damn good Jul 22 13:05:35 capacitive Jul 22 13:05:42 well what'd be better? Jul 22 13:05:47 resistive Jul 22 13:05:50 . Jul 22 13:05:57 umm Jul 22 13:05:59 whats the difference? Jul 22 13:06:02 lol. Jul 22 13:06:07 so he can put his mittens on Jul 22 13:06:13 ha Jul 22 13:06:15 one the screen squishes when you touch it, the other is made of glass Jul 22 13:06:15 that Jul 22 13:06:16 that's pretty directly opposed to general consensus, isn't it? Jul 22 13:06:18 or use surgical gloves when beating his meat? Jul 22 13:06:19 lol Jul 22 13:06:27 so i can precisely hit something when its necessary Jul 22 13:06:33 :) Jul 22 13:06:45 i hit letters, applications precisely all the time Jul 22 13:07:03 or touch the screen withou moving activating something Jul 22 13:07:33 i do all the time Jul 22 13:07:48 your precision lackage might be due to not spending enough time with the device? Jul 22 13:07:51 i dunno Jul 22 13:08:56 your mom has a sweet device Jul 22 13:09:09 ok ok ok Jul 22 13:09:12 i'm just saying man Jul 22 13:09:26 maybe the inaccuracy could be because you're not used to capactive screens Jul 22 13:09:27 ? Jul 22 13:10:04 So far I have seen touch screen keyboard , video recording , some flash stuff , muli-touch support . stuff I am all looking forward to having on Linux phone. Just had great media player . I would steal something to help pay for some android phone . Jul 22 13:10:51 steal some virgins Jul 22 13:12:07 I would say a virtual keyboard is fine if what you're doing allows for predicative input, but things like ssh do not work well with an on-screen keyboard Jul 22 13:12:32 also, touch typing, which is pobssible with a large enough landscape keyboard Jul 22 13:12:58 amen Jul 22 13:13:00 i agree i like the option of both keyboard and touchscreen Jul 22 13:13:15 i mean i could type so fast on the g1 Jul 22 13:13:23 i would never be able to touch screen type that fast Jul 22 13:13:29 i dont care what kinda technology Jul 22 13:13:36 at least not until 2012 Jul 22 13:13:52 what comes then? Jul 22 13:13:55 bumps? Jul 22 13:14:11 probably Jul 22 13:14:16 touchscreen that has bumps Jul 22 13:14:29 sculpted to the shape of your fingers Jul 22 13:14:38 braille Jul 22 13:14:44 lolololol Jul 22 13:15:12 i carved scratches in my IONs screen Jul 22 13:15:14 so i could touch type Jul 22 13:18:18 You all think any normal person will ever know that android is distro of Linux on a smartphone ? Jul 22 13:18:53 that is not a politically correct claim Jul 22 13:19:08 Linux is a kernel, not a distro Jul 22 13:19:19 blau-mikeDG: really? Jul 22 13:19:21 there are GNU/Linux distros Jul 22 13:19:32 but android is not GNU Jul 22 13:19:33 oh god you're one of those types Jul 22 13:19:40 uh, and the point is the bumps disapear when you type Jul 22 13:19:47 or, are not typing Jul 22 13:20:03 which is why I guessed that for 2012 Jul 22 13:20:09 though it may be later Jul 22 13:20:18 tarelerulz: do they need to know it's linux based? Jul 22 13:20:55 it's a distribution (a giving out or providing) of Linux, which is a kernel Jul 22 13:21:30 or you could argue that android is an enivronment for mobile phones which can and in this case does, use Linux as it's application kernel Jul 22 13:21:47 with the story about the Click it seems that migh change Jul 22 13:22:02 or the story is wrong, which I think could be more likely Jul 22 13:22:04 tmzt: how so? Jul 22 13:22:45 http://www.slashgear.com/htc-click-spotted-in-wild-entry-level-android-for-later-in-2009-2249972/ Jul 22 13:22:51 sipa1024: No they don't need to know it is Linux based ,but It would be interesting to Show someone that a distro of Linux is running on there cool phone. It is funny when I hear people talking about some open source program like it was new . Even one I know of who watch movies on there computer knows of VLC. I have knew about it for 2 years. Jul 22 13:22:57 this, which k4r1m posted when everybody was sleeping Jul 22 13:23:10 the "Brew Mobile Platform" is the important part Jul 22 13:24:01 tarelerulz: vlc is the videolan client, it's only part of the videolan system which once consisted of the videolan server, the videolan miniserver, and the client Jul 22 13:24:20 is that BMP linux and/or android based? Jul 22 13:24:21 it's also more than two years old Jul 22 13:24:28 a lot more :) Jul 22 13:24:38 I think not, I think it's BREW/amss based Jul 22 13:24:49 so it would be running the same operating system as the modem in the g1 Jul 22 13:25:14 also, the bezel makes the screen look small Jul 22 13:25:47 the other possibility is it's not an android device, which people seem to be claiming because it looks like one (magic) Jul 22 13:25:58 unless there's a roadmap somewhere Jul 22 13:28:07 I am just saying it will be nice when others who are Linux nerds like myself know about something Linux based and can see how cool it can be . I can say have something cool that use Linux and you can buy and everyone else might have one too is nice. I am about tired of some stuff like flash player never working right . So much not used Ubuntu for while Jul 22 13:28:25 Not Linux nerds like me Jul 22 13:28:29 linuxdevices.com Jul 22 13:28:44 flash works fine Jul 22 13:28:57 I need some ideas. Jul 22 13:29:10 I've had this thing a few hours now and I'm stuck for ideas. what do I do now? Jul 22 13:29:14 lol Jul 22 13:30:16 tmzt , Maybe your just smarter then I am so you get it working right or maybe better system . I have never had flash work right for about 3 version of Ubuntu on anything besides youtube . Jul 22 13:31:20 tarelerulz: Ubuntard?? There's your problem :P Jul 22 13:31:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1groLCsiHl8 is this as good as it looks? im interested in replacing the standard apps Jul 22 13:31:48 what are you trying to use it with? Jul 22 13:31:58 it's usually just flashplayer-nonfree Jul 22 13:32:12 if it's install dpkg-reconfigure flashplayer-nonfree fixes it Jul 22 13:32:29 since you say it works with youtube it must be installed, that's why I ask Jul 22 13:32:44 anyone wanna invest in me Jul 22 13:32:57 Flash on Linux hasn't been bad for years now.. Jul 22 13:33:23 What's the closest thing to C's sprintf in the android java environment? Jul 22 13:33:30 <_Andrew> It has for me. Flash constantly crashes Jul 22 13:33:45 buleeahn: uhhhhh.. Jul 22 13:33:48 browser incompatibility usually Jul 22 13:33:54 flash works on android now ? Jul 22 13:33:56 buleeahn: What are you attempting to 'print'? Jul 22 13:34:02 I need to format a string... Jul 22 13:34:05 Ne0WizArd: we aren't talking about android Jul 22 13:34:15 buleeahn: Example? Jul 22 13:34:20 I've got a float, such as 2.3409197...and I only want to display 2.34 Jul 22 13:34:22 buleeahn: development questions are usually in #android-dev Jul 22 13:34:27 Thank you tmzt. Jul 22 13:34:34 but this should be basic java, stuff I forget right now Jul 22 13:34:38 lol Jul 22 13:34:45 tmzt: you too? Jul 22 13:34:54 <- Not a java programmer. Jul 22 13:34:54 yeah Jul 22 13:35:05 But I've hacked up some android proof-of-concept apps. Jul 22 13:35:15 actually I don't think I've ever formatted a string in java Jul 22 13:35:23 Here is what happens to me , I have multi-tab in firefox stream movies / players and it seem to run my cpu use up to over 70-80 . do the same thing on windows and it never seem to do that . Jul 22 13:35:26 Not floats anyhow.. Jul 22 13:35:31 Strings. sure.. Jul 22 13:35:31 <_Andrew> If I have a G1 dev is it possible to get root on any version? I upgraded to 1.5 but I can't figure out how to get root on the phone. Any links would be great Jul 22 13:35:46 ? Jul 22 13:35:46 _Andrew: Absolutely. Jul 22 13:35:48 adp1? Jul 22 13:36:20 Both my ADP1 and T-Mob phones are rooted. Jul 22 13:36:42 I actally run with my dev phone :P Jul 22 13:36:59 <_Andrew> I use connectBot on my g1 dev and ssh in locally. If I type "su -" I get "uid 10037 not allowed to su" Jul 22 13:37:19 what ssh server? Jul 22 13:37:48 _Andrew: Naa man, just hit-up XDA and follow the 'how to root' tutorial. Jul 22 13:37:56 _Andrew: It's the same method Jul 22 13:38:15 _Andrew: or you might want the JF image direclty ;-) Jul 22 13:39:09 FreakGuard: Well yeah, that's the easiest route Jul 22 13:42:04 i cant get my code to resume after a call can anyone help? Jul 22 13:43:31 gaz: whats up Jul 22 13:43:44 its stopping something when a user gets a call? Jul 22 13:46:19 tarelerulz: G1 is a phone and not ipod. If you want a music player buy an ipod Jul 22 13:47:14 s27: You could gimp a G1 and make it an iPod :P Jul 22 13:47:41 The problem is ppl expect too many things out of a poor phone Jul 22 13:47:44 as in make the Home app a media player :) Jul 22 13:48:14 s27: That and a lot of devs don't quite understand mobile/embedded environments. Jul 22 13:48:24 Mix the two and you get ubersuck Jul 22 13:48:28 yup Jul 22 13:48:31 i still use a nokia 3310 and am happy with it. But i bought G1 for development and curiousity Jul 22 13:48:34 im the best mobile developer out there Jul 22 13:48:38 and ill tell you that other guys suck Jul 22 13:48:56 no comments on that. i still got lots to learn Jul 22 13:49:31 my boss keeps telling me im stupid. as long as he gives me decent work. i wont complain Jul 22 13:49:48 tell him stupid as as stupid does sir! Jul 22 13:50:45 blah why can no one produce a decent aim app Jul 22 13:50:54 Speaking of which, is there any way to 'profile' memory usage while developing an app? I really have dug around too much to see how to do this. Jul 22 13:50:54 might have to break down and buy hello aim Jul 22 13:51:12 One of the biggest issues I think is Android will pretty much swap 'til ya drop. Jul 22 13:51:30 thoraxe: because people are lame. Jul 22 13:51:36 Haha Jul 22 13:51:45 iCEBrkr: Memory swap? Jul 22 13:52:00 iDialekt: Yeah, I think it ends up in a kill pid loop. Jul 22 13:52:03 iCEBrkr: yeah but i mean google couldn't even make one that works right Jul 22 13:52:07 heh Jul 22 13:52:20 thoraxe: Hrrm? It's a basic chatter app.. nothing wrong with it. Jul 22 13:52:24 Yeah it hurts my feelings Jul 22 13:52:36 Thus why I stay with my iPhone Jul 22 13:52:46 Until something really worthy comes along Jul 22 13:54:02 i wipe my ass with my iphone Jul 22 13:54:35 iCEBrkr: an application that disconnects from the server and does not either re-connect or notify you that it disconnected is inherently broken Jul 22 13:54:46 blau-mikeDG: don't like the apis? Jul 22 13:54:59 i hate xcode Jul 22 13:55:02 blau-mikeDG: Thats simply out of choice Jul 22 13:55:08 and you can't use gcc/make? Jul 22 13:55:31 eh Jul 22 13:55:35 ides rule Jul 22 13:55:41 I sadly love my iPhone 3GS as consumer Jul 22 13:56:01 thoraxe: You realize all those IM protocols are sessionless. Jul 22 13:56:05 iphone's workflow is still too slow Jul 22 13:56:23 thoraxe: Mobile connections suck.. Those protocols don't work well with shitty connections. Jul 22 13:56:24 you have to exit an app, find the new apps button, load it then start using it Jul 22 13:56:49 iCEBrkr: i don't mind if the connection sucks. i don't mind if you got disconnected. TELL ME. Jul 22 13:57:02 thoraxe: You'd get notified too often :) Jul 22 13:57:16 iCEBrkr: pidgin and about 235235 other desktop IM apps will tell you that you got disconnected, they use the same protocols Jul 22 13:57:19 Yeah multitasking would be nice Jul 22 13:57:24 iCEBrkr: they also have the option to re-connect automatically Jul 22 13:57:30 which none of these im apps seem to bother to do Jul 22 13:57:36 its not rocket science Jul 22 13:57:38 thoraxe: Your battery would be dead in half a day if it did all that. Jul 22 13:57:46 that's fine with me Jul 22 13:57:53 at leats give me the option. Jul 22 13:57:58 thoraxe: That's not fine with 'the general public' Jul 22 13:58:07 did what? Jul 22 13:58:13 iCEBrkr: OPTIONS aren't fine with the general public?? Jul 22 13:58:22 someone should tell car manufacturers. Jul 22 13:58:26 haha Jul 22 13:58:37 thoraxe: The real answer is to create a store-and-forward proxy + session based protocol... Jul 22 13:58:48 like? Jul 22 13:58:54 iCEBrkr: that's how the sidekick works Jul 22 13:59:01 iCEBrkr: danger maintains the server Jul 22 13:59:06 iCEBrkr: what do you mean if the did all that Jul 22 13:59:08 thoraxe: EXACTLY Jul 22 13:59:14 I would much rather have end-to-end Jul 22 13:59:21 iCEBrkr: it worked absolutely marvelously Jul 22 13:59:21 thoraxe: That's exactly what needs to happen. Jul 22 13:59:29 thoraxe: I couldn't agree with you more Jul 22 13:59:31 unfortunately, i don't think anyone is going to bother to pay for that Jul 22 13:59:33 if the networks would stop timing out after 300 seconds Jul 22 13:59:45 it's only worth about $5/mo to someone like me Jul 22 13:59:49 tmzt: Time-outs just need ot be more graceful. Jul 22 13:59:54 and i would classify myself as an extreme user Jul 22 14:00:20 I wondered why they didn't put a little more intelegence in the modem to detect certain states and only wake ap for them Jul 22 14:00:37 ap? Jul 22 14:00:38 if something has to do keep alive why not modem? Jul 22 14:00:43 application processor Jul 22 14:00:49 thoraxe: I've come up with a proof-of-concept for the issue you're having.. Jul 22 14:00:56 thoraxe: http://www.cyberdyne.org/~icebrkr/2008/10/30/android-speaks-irc/ Jul 22 14:01:08 ? Jul 22 14:01:43 thoraxe: Jabber plays better with shitty connections Jul 22 14:02:09 iCEBrkr: but what does irc have to do with aim? Jul 22 14:02:19 thoraxe: You missed it. Jul 22 14:02:35 apparently so. Jul 22 14:02:44 thoraxe: eJabberd has transports. Jul 22 14:03:08 There for eJabberd could maintain your presence across IM services. Jul 22 14:03:20 what is a transport? Jul 22 14:03:32 thoraxe: a way to use other IM protocols/networks inside jabber Jul 22 14:03:37 think plugin Jul 22 14:03:42 but server-side Jul 22 14:03:57 nonetheless: ssh+screen+irssi+bitlbee rocks :p Jul 22 14:04:08 thoraxe: So, hack-up some of those transports for store/forward capabilities. Jul 22 14:04:20 sipa1024: yeah, that's all we have for now :P Jul 22 14:04:34 sipa1024: how do you use bitlbee with irssi? Jul 22 14:04:41 ipa: doin it now ;D Jul 22 14:04:48 sipa rather Jul 22 14:04:52 damn you thumbs Jul 22 14:05:02 thoraxe: So your G1 falls 'off-line' for a few seconds.. eJabber will maintain presence so inbound messages will get 'cached'.. You come back on-line.. messages get forwarded.. Jul 22 14:05:03 tmzt: have a bitlbee server somewhere, and have your irssi connect to it :) Jul 22 14:05:32 thoraxe: Essentially recreating Dangers 'funnel'. Jul 22 14:05:51 tmzt: you know what bitlbee is? Jul 22 14:06:06 not exactly Jul 22 14:06:11 thoraxe: Between Danger's 'funnel' and the concepts based off 'Cognet' (Sidekick IRC proxy)... It should work. Jul 22 14:06:30 what I wonder is if it makes irssi harder to use to have multiple networks Jul 22 14:06:43 iCEBrkr: sounds awesome. i would love to help. Jul 22 14:06:44 irssi has rather good multi-server support Jul 22 14:06:51 iCEBrkr: i can host the server Jul 22 14:06:58 tmzt: it's an IM client, and at the same time an IRC server Jul 22 14:07:25 tmzt: so you get a channel in irssi in which you see all your IM buddies virtually Jul 22 14:07:29 iCEBrkr: i'm OK with ruby I could probably puke my way through java Jul 22 14:07:35 thoraxe: I'd host the jabber server for free. I have places I could host and they'd be willing to contribute. Jul 22 14:07:43 yeah same here Jul 22 14:07:55 thoraxe: So yeah, I'm with you on the whole way Danger implemented their IM clients Jul 22 14:07:56 sipa1024: this is not correct, bitbee is a irc to IM gateway that support multiple IM protocols Jul 22 14:07:56 i'm definitely interested in the project so, whatever I can do to help, lemme know Jul 22 14:08:15 thoraxe: My life is in a blender right now.. So I haven't had time to hack on the code. Jul 22 14:08:36 thoraxe: and if I were any sort of java programmer, I'd have this thing done already Jul 22 14:08:47 t4c: that's also a way of explaining it; i'm not sure where i was wrong though :) Jul 22 14:08:50 I can't stand creating views for Android. Jul 22 14:09:02 If I have a G1 and I buy a myTouch 3G, will my Google account be bound to both devices or can I get it to stop being associated with the G1? Jul 22 14:09:11 sipa1024: it's not a client and it's not a server Jul 22 14:09:13 iCEBrkr: well, what work do you need done at the moment? i can at least look at it and see if there's anything i can contribute Jul 22 14:09:18 maxamillion: Wipe! Jul 22 14:09:29 iCEBrkr: is that really the only way? Jul 22 14:09:30 You can use the same account on multiple devices simultaneously. Jul 22 14:09:30 thoraxe: There's a few issues right now. Jul 22 14:09:34 maxamillion: Yeah Jul 22 14:09:39 my adp1 gets 3G with T-mob here in the UK, FYI Jul 22 14:09:41 t4c: sure it is - it is an irc server as an irc client can connect to it; and it is an IM client as it connects to IM servers :) Jul 22 14:09:48 iCEBrkr: are you hosting the app on googlecode? Jul 22 14:09:52 sipa1024: not really... Jul 22 14:09:57 although i must admid that gateway is maybe a better description :) Jul 22 14:09:59 *admit Jul 22 14:10:00 thoraxe: The main issue is all the jabber servers suck. Jul 22 14:10:10 sipa1024: you should learn lil bit more about services and protocols. Jul 22 14:10:11 But if you want to stop using an account on a given device, yeah, the way to do that is to wipe it. Jul 22 14:10:16 iCEBrkr: you mean the jabber server software that the app connect sto? Jul 22 14:10:17 t4c: excuse me? Jul 22 14:10:20 iCEBrkr: so go to settings and reset to factory spec and my account won't be associated with the device anymore? Jul 22 14:10:22 iCEBrkr: my jabberserver doesn't suck! Jul 22 14:10:22 thoraxe: eJabbbers IRC transport is gimpped and only half-way works.. It's also written in elang (puke) Jul 22 14:10:42 t4c: You wrote a jabber server? Jul 22 14:10:50 nope I set one up :) Jul 22 14:10:55 Openfire really really roxxz Jul 22 14:10:57 iCEBrkr: is ejabberd the only one that supports transports to AIM? Jul 22 14:11:18 thoraxe: Not sure, it's just the only one I got to work and at the time, IRC was my main concern. Jul 22 14:11:22 first piece of Java I saw running real fluent and without this overhead Jul 22 14:11:25 thoraxe: no, openfire does as well ... I think plan old jabberd might with a plugin Jul 22 14:11:44 t4c: Yeah, Openfire is pretty leet.. But I wasn't able to get IRC to work. Jul 22 14:12:05 thoraxe: I think I tossed the code up on google code.. Jul 22 14:12:05 iCEBrkr: I never tried this, I use irssi in a screen for IRC. Jul 22 14:12:10 iCEBrkr: so you weren't happy with the other couple of irc apps out there? Jul 22 14:12:18 iCEBrkr: or were you trying to do the caching thing for irc Jul 22 14:12:23 iCEBrkr: those Clients never gave me a nice IRC feeling (centerim, pidgin and co) Jul 22 14:12:27 thoraxe: Nope they won't work. IRC even more sensitive to latency. Jul 22 14:12:53 iCEBrkr: i mean, for irc, why don't you just ssh into somewhere and use irssi? :) Jul 22 14:12:54 thoraxe: yeah.. Jul 22 14:13:05 thoraxe: Because that's not a native app. Jul 22 14:13:12 connectbot is a native app ;) Jul 22 14:13:17 thoraxe: I mean, sure. that's what I do now.. But I don't want to. Jul 22 14:13:28 thoraxe: Not everyone has a linux box to ssh into. Jul 22 14:14:00 iCEBrkr: but you have a server to run openfire? Jul 22 14:14:02 i know, i was joking Jul 22 14:14:07 iCEBrkr: that's their problem, right? :P Jul 22 14:14:21 FreakGuard: Wrong way of thinking. Jul 22 14:14:34 t4c: I could possibly have multiple servers. Jul 22 14:14:39 so "we" need an xmpp server that supports transports to IRC and AIM? Jul 22 14:14:48 thoraxe: All IM services. Jul 22 14:14:52 iCEBrkr: just get vbox and an image. problem solved Jul 22 14:15:24 anyone knows how to add setSingleLineTextArea(false) ? Jul 22 14:15:25 :( Jul 22 14:15:26 iCEBrkr: if you could figure out how to integrate phone calls and sms you could live in irssi or another cli environment Jul 22 14:15:29 well, irc isn't really IM Jul 22 14:15:33 i am using lwuit to design my tool Jul 22 14:15:56 tell me something, how does these transports really work for im Jul 22 14:16:07 does it require that you give the xmpp server your login? Jul 22 14:16:38 thoraxe: IRC has been lost by the general public.. It's for nerds like us.. The only reason I was using IRC was because I had traffic to test with. Jul 22 14:17:13 hey, /msg /query look a lot like im Jul 22 14:17:47 but since it's commandline-based it is not "fancy" enough to be appreciated by most people in this time :) Jul 22 14:18:10 there are graphical clients, also silc and muc Jul 22 14:18:14 iCEBrkr: yeah i know. unfortunately, everyone i need to converse with is on AIM. Jul 22 14:18:15 true Jul 22 14:18:26 i don't know anyone who uses aim :) Jul 22 14:18:35 it's hardly known in belgium Jul 22 14:18:37 But if there were an IM app that hooked into a proxy that was able to maintain presence across all IM services with a store/forward for messaging.. Everyone could be 'on-line' just like the Sidekick. Jul 22 14:18:57 The general public doesn't know WTF SSH is.. Jul 22 14:19:12 But they know what MSN/AIM/YIM are.. Jul 22 14:19:19 but they may have heard of "Back to My Mac" Jul 22 14:19:20 iCEBrkr: definitely. i would think that it would probably be easier to start with AIM/Yahoo/MSN and expand to other services since you'll be able to get the most adoption Jul 22 14:19:24 which is the same concept Jul 22 14:19:35 I would rather add this to something like ddwrt Jul 22 14:19:48 thoraxe: http://code.google.com/p/jabbertalky/ Jul 22 14:19:59 thoraxe: That's where I started things.. but it's probably in total disarray Jul 22 14:20:03 thoraxe: I uploaded the repo wrong. Jul 22 14:20:39 thoraxe: any service would be fine.. IRC is where I'm able to have a two way conversation with myself. Jul 22 14:21:52 iCEBrkr: well, i'm happy to help. just let me know what you need. Jul 22 14:22:16 thoraxe: More time in a day?? Jul 22 14:22:19 :) Jul 22 14:22:19 as long as i don't need to root my g1 haha Jul 22 14:22:22 yeah no shiz Jul 22 14:23:30 My life has been non-stop for the past 4wks. Jul 22 14:23:50 hi all Jul 22 14:23:56 Moving, wedding, friends in town, death in the family and then there's my professional life as a developer with tight deadlines and working long hours. Jul 22 14:24:33 i am a relatively new owner(week or 2) of an HTC magic. it's a great piece of kit, unfortunately, it seems to have just this minute decided to reset itself to factory defaults Jul 22 14:24:35 yup, that's the way it goes Jul 22 14:24:46 all the apps i added to it are gone Jul 22 14:25:05 the only thing that is different are my contacts, which are intact Jul 22 14:25:20 i am just wondering, what would prompt this kind of "hard reset"? Jul 22 14:25:45 Voodoo Jul 22 14:25:52 oh noes! Jul 22 14:26:37 seriously, though. how would i go about doing this if i WANTED to restore factory settings Jul 22 14:26:48 some kind of key combination? Jul 22 14:27:55 iCEBrkr: i msgd you my email address. anything youneed me to test or play with, let me know Jul 22 14:30:23 Yeah, added ya to my gmail contacts Jul 22 14:30:47 bizarrefish: you'd have to go into settings and reset to fatory Jul 22 14:31:12 iCEBrkr: hmm, well i'm VERY sure i didn't do that.... how weird Jul 22 14:32:12 I believe it makes you put in a pattern before wiping. Jul 22 14:33:15 hmmmmm Jul 22 14:33:30 you have to hold down a couple of buttons Jul 22 14:33:35 and then press another couple of buttons Jul 22 14:33:40 in order to reset to factory defaults Jul 22 14:33:52 well, it was in my pocket, so, either my wang has grown a pair of eyes, and done it, or something fishy is going on. Jul 22 14:33:59 lol Jul 22 14:34:03 * bizarrefish checks....ah-hah!! Jul 22 14:34:06 :P Jul 22 14:34:09 haha Jul 22 14:37:48 thoraxe: If anything, I need a UI guy :) Jul 22 14:38:06 Actually.. I don't even want to code cuz I'm not a java guy. I should just manage this project :) Jul 22 14:38:20 NOT JAVA! Jul 22 14:38:22 DALVIK! Jul 22 14:38:28 * bizarrefish hits iCEBrkr Jul 22 14:38:32 bizarrefish: depends Jul 22 14:38:36 bizarrefish, it's the Java language Jul 22 14:38:41 the but it's the dalvik vm Jul 22 14:38:56 iz not java compliant(well...the runtime isnt) Jul 22 14:39:03 hmm Jul 22 14:39:07 it's not JVM compliant Jul 22 14:39:11 the language is Java Jul 22 14:39:11 * bizarrefish wonders where the line should be drawn Jul 22 14:39:13 Java != JVM Jul 22 14:39:18 the SYNTAX is java Jul 22 14:39:22 yes Jul 22 14:39:36 does one consider the runtime to be part of the language...hmm Jul 22 14:39:39 no Jul 22 14:39:59 * bizarrefish doesn't consider libc to be part of the C language Jul 22 14:40:00 so, no Jul 22 14:40:01 java is 4 things: 1) a language, 2) a runtime library, 3) a bytecode definition, and 4) an implementation thereof Jul 22 14:40:20 android uses 1) and something similar to 2) Jul 22 14:40:29 sipa1024, and 3, no? Jul 22 14:40:34 no Jul 22 14:40:35 bizarrefish: Either way, I suck at Java code.. Jul 22 14:40:48 KNY: it uses dalvik bytecode, not java bytecode Jul 22 14:40:50 and Dalvik isn't really a VM :P Jul 22 14:40:57 iCEBrkr: why isn't it? Jul 22 14:41:16 sipa1024, right, sorry, I forgot that you were talking about what qualifies as "Java" Jul 22 14:41:28 oh yes Jul 22 14:41:28 sipa1024: Because what you just said. Jul 22 14:41:33 iCEBrkr, err.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine ? Jul 22 14:41:45 iCEBrkr: i don't see why it wouldn't be a virtual machine Jul 22 14:42:07 it is a vm, in that it runs dalvik bytecode Jul 22 14:42:24 which is similar to java bytecode Jul 22 14:42:26 KNY: oh yes, of course, dalvik uses *a* bytecode and *an* implementation too, but those differ from the java bytecode and the java implementation :) Jul 22 14:42:36 sipa1024, yeah, sorry Jul 22 14:42:43 no hard feelings :) Jul 22 14:43:11 hi, does anyone know if android has support for ftp? Jul 22 14:43:32 Jonpro, sure, just use an FTP library Jul 22 14:43:47 Jonpro, or I believe you can use it with Url Jul 22 14:43:51 Jonpro: http://developer.android.com/intl/fr/reference/java/net/Socket.html Jul 22 14:43:51 KNY, I've tried some Java ones but can't get them to work on android Jul 22 14:44:16 Jonpro, which ones? Jul 22 14:44:36 Jonpro: oh i misread it as 'tcp' instead of 'ftp' Jul 22 14:45:20 KNY, The Jakarta Project Jul 22 14:45:35 Jonpro, that's surprising. What isn't working? Jul 22 14:46:03 KNY, didn't recognize a class I think Jul 22 14:46:09 KNY, actually let me try it again and I'll let you know Jul 22 14:46:25 bah my total system for dgmoney got really confusing :( Jul 22 14:46:40 blau-mikeDG, on its own? impressive. Jul 22 14:46:56 i added 3 total types Jul 22 14:47:11 What I'm saying is Dalvik isn't a VM in the sense that most people are used to. Jul 22 14:47:28 1 thats takes into account all non voided transactions, 1 that takes into account only cleared transactions, and another that takes into account all negative transactions and only positive cleared transactions Jul 22 14:47:31 KNY: Yes, that URL explains it Jul 22 14:49:06 iCEBrkr: i see no reason why it would be less of a VM than java Jul 22 14:52:03 Read the wikipedia article.. it sums it up. Jul 22 14:52:31 I don't have the book with me, but at home there's another way to describe it. Jul 22 15:08:31 KNY, I finally found the problem. Turns out I need sftp support Jul 22 15:08:39 Jonpro, ah Jul 22 15:08:52 KNY, do you know of a way to do that? Jul 22 15:09:02 Jonpro, find an SFTP library? Jul 22 15:09:52 KNY, looks like there are some out there. Didn't know if you had any suggestions.... Jul 22 15:10:05 Jonpro, nope Jul 22 15:10:19 KNY, ok well I'll keep looking. Thanks for your help Jul 22 15:10:57 jonpro: what are you programming? Jul 22 15:11:04 :) Jul 22 15:11:39 blunden, trying to write a geotagging-type app and I need to upload images to a server Jul 22 15:12:01 oh, I see Jul 22 15:12:05 nice Jul 22 15:14:23 what are you going to call it (so that I can search for it on Market later)? :) Jul 22 15:15:57 blunden, well it is for a research project at my school, so it may never get published. Sorry :( Jul 22 15:17:02 oh, ok Jul 22 15:17:43 maybe you can host it somewhere then when it's done :) Jul 22 15:18:38 if you want Jul 22 15:19:45 I had this idea of 'geotagging' photos with the googlemaps coordinates (which has been done) but I'd also like to do a Pinpoint type deal whre it shows you on the map and the direction + field of view Jul 22 15:19:49 did that make sense?! Jul 22 15:19:50 lol Jul 22 15:20:08 good afternoon. i want to try out androids trace view tool but there I couldn't find an example trace file anywhere, could someone please upload an example trace file for me? :) Jul 22 15:20:12 blunden, yeah, I might Jul 22 15:20:47 iCEBrkr, I understand what you mean, and gps locations include a bearing attribute which you could use Jul 22 15:25:11 rofl - this ebay seller embedded my Hero on HTC Magic video ;) - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=220454288966 Jul 22 15:25:29 Had 9,285 views of that video so far - so it's a popular one. Jul 22 15:26:35 :P Jul 22 15:28:26 Jonpro: Yea, but I'd like an overlay on google maps with the little POV 'v' in front of the little streetview guy :) Jul 22 15:29:27 iCEBrkr, ah, that would be trickier but I think it could be done Jul 22 15:29:49 Pointless. But kinda cool Jul 22 15:33:53 Hi, all Jul 22 15:35:57 Is there someone? Jul 22 15:37:04 in the upper right notif area there's an icon of a shaking phone right now... what does that mean? Jul 22 15:37:24 it means the phone is in 'vibrate' Jul 22 15:37:27 itsa bomb! Jul 22 15:37:32 okay, thanks Jul 22 15:37:35 imma disarm Jul 22 15:37:39 press the down volume button and it will go into silent Jul 22 15:37:53 ah I see Jul 22 15:42:20 I haven't been around for a few days so i'm probably late to the party, but has anyone seen these pics? http://phandroid.com/2009/07/21/sony-ericsson-xperia-x3-android-with-specs-pics/ Jul 22 15:42:23 is there anyone who could provide me with exemplary trace file? i would like to try out the trace viewer (because of a genuine interest in trace analysis) Jul 22 15:43:54 I'm trying to anable USB debugging in android 1.5 on my kaiser. The device is not showing up in the device manager at all when debugging is in either state. Jul 22 15:44:34 descention: expand USB devices in device manager Jul 22 15:44:37 Xperia is made by HTC, right? Jul 22 15:44:39 then unplug/plug it in Jul 22 15:44:42 may have to replug the device after turning on debug Jul 22 15:44:44 in windows Jul 22 15:44:46 IanPM: by SE Jul 22 15:45:04 Yeah, but isn't it _actually_ made by HTC? Jul 22 15:45:18 That would be news to me Jul 22 15:45:24 HTC makes everything Jul 22 15:45:26 itsrumsey: amazing, thank you. Jul 22 15:45:39 IanPM: looks like the x1 is Jul 22 15:45:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1 Jul 22 15:45:45 dont know about the other xperias Jul 22 15:45:46 The XPERIA X1 is a high-end smartphone from Sony Ericsson, manufactured by HTC Corporation, Jul 22 15:46:26 someone in ##electronics was goin on about bad build quality from HTC. seems fine to me. Jul 22 15:46:36 HTC build quality is better than most Jul 22 15:46:43 it's better than Nokia, that's for sure Jul 22 15:46:54 my N95 looks like a wreck after 18 months Jul 22 15:46:58 he was also saying how much better the iphone is, so i wouldn Jul 22 15:47:03 t trust him that much Jul 22 15:47:18 Not better than a Blackberry though Jul 22 15:47:29 * bizarrefish explodes Jul 22 15:47:32 i had 2 of those for a few years and they took some hard hits that would just smash my g1 Jul 22 15:47:42 oh..right....build quality... Jul 22 15:48:13 Sony Ericsson are usualy well built Jul 22 15:49:38 mk mates.. here we go again.. i need to wipe me g1.. running jf's cupcake.. but bit buggy round the edges as it were.. the wipe part appears easy via jf's img and home + power up menu.. i have full nandroid backup in place.. both on sdcard in g1 and backed up to my linux laptop.. Jul 22 15:50:51 does exist an android french channel? Jul 22 15:52:17 its the nandroid recovery that has me mystified lads.. once again the howtos are written assumptively for geeks above me skill levels.. ie the line ''and connect it to your pc/laptop/server. Then run the nandroid.sh script'' right off doesnt specify.. whether one is running the 'nandroid.sh' script from g1?.. or from laptop?.. Jul 22 15:53:07 * tech9iner is convinced this.. like cupcake img update.. will prolly be granny simple.. just the documentation and 'dont brick your only phone' warnings etc.. Jul 22 15:53:26 tech9iner: That's why you should be using Cyanogen's recovery image Jul 22 15:54:24 I know that doesn't help, but you're able to restore nandroid images while in recovery mode. Jul 22 15:54:38 iCEBrkr: mk.. 2nd ppl sharing same mate.. is that a whole replacement for jf's cupcake img then?.. or just the nandroid recovery utility that can be used WITH jf's cupcake then? Jul 22 15:54:59 can I backup my user data anyway Jul 22 15:55:07 you know, game progress and stuff Jul 22 15:55:48 tech9iner: its just the recovery image Jul 22 15:55:51 it doesnt replce your rom Jul 22 15:56:09 IanPM: sure Jul 22 15:56:10 tech9iner: what itsrumsey said. Jul 22 15:56:11 ahh.. tx muchly.. rom term vs recovery.. gotit.. Jul 22 15:56:23 iCEBrkr: hehe.. tx mate Jul 22 15:56:27 :) Jul 22 15:56:38 * tech9iner googles up cyanogen then Jul 22 15:56:52 I'll save you a step http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3915123 Jul 22 15:57:15 God rom developments happen so fast / often Jul 22 15:57:29 im still on cyan 3.6 and there have been like 10 updates since then :o Jul 22 15:58:03 itsrumsey: tx for the diaper change ;] Jul 22 15:58:09 I want to take Cyanogen's latest and rip it apart. There's apps in there I don't care to have and I'm already down to 14megs of internal storage left :( Jul 22 15:58:29 what apps is he including? Jul 22 15:58:38 pdf reader, quickoffice, teeter? Jul 22 15:58:41 i think thats all i noticed Jul 22 15:58:42 Well, I'd get rid of mail since i use k-9 Jul 22 15:58:57 k9 support exchange? Jul 22 15:59:00 itsrumsey: the image is huge to begin with.. the touch thing is 4megs alone. Jul 22 15:59:09 itsrumsey: not really. it'll imap exchange. Jul 22 15:59:16 ah Jul 22 15:59:21 touch thing? the htc ime? Jul 22 15:59:40 Not sure. Jul 22 15:59:43 i thought you could rip that stuff out Jul 22 15:59:59 I've just begun digging around roms and what's what. Jul 22 16:01:19 ah Jul 22 16:01:44 well something that might help if you are comfortable with partitioning is setting up apps2sd Jul 22 16:02:01 then you never think about small problems like rom images being too big :) Jul 22 16:02:18 [16:55:55] IanPM: sure Jul 22 16:02:23 does it involve a hacked rom Jul 22 16:02:27 hahaha partitioning the sd Jul 22 16:02:29 man i had fun with that Jul 22 16:02:45 itsrumsey: I don't have a speedy microSD Jul 22 16:02:51 IanPM: the way I always do it does, though you can probably do it through adb Jul 22 16:03:08 iCEBrkr: probably not worth it then Jul 22 16:03:11 class 2 or 4? Jul 22 16:07:01 hmm Jul 22 16:07:17 HTC want my test phone back, so I might try changing the ROM Jul 22 16:07:29 any good suggestions which to put on the Vodafone UK Magic? Jul 22 16:08:13 Dunno about vodafone, but I know there are a few Jul 22 16:08:27 You want to change the ROM right before you send it back? Jul 22 16:08:57 Where could I see the comparison chart between Dream and Magic ? Jul 22 16:10:10 compare what? you could check wikipedia Jul 22 16:10:29 can someone give me a valid local_manifest.xml for the ADP1 ? Jul 22 16:10:35 the one here: http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream -- seems broken Jul 22 16:10:46 the vendor line no longer exists for example Jul 22 16:11:06 I just thought I might see how easy flashing it is, before I give it back Jul 22 16:11:11 and if I brick it. Meh. Jul 22 16:11:33 yang: gsmarena.com Jul 22 16:12:29 yang: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2665&idPhone1=2714 Jul 22 16:13:23 IanPM: check out http://www.androidspin.com/ Jul 22 16:13:31 thanks mate Jul 22 16:14:23 thanks jpa-- Jul 22 16:15:35 np Jul 22 16:15:51 how does one go about getting a test phone from HTC? Jul 22 16:15:51 do u have to be a dev? Jul 22 16:18:29 I'm a journalist Jul 22 16:18:35 it's a review sample Jul 22 16:18:50 ahh i see Jul 22 16:18:53 kinda silly Jul 22 16:19:06 should have to do reviews on provider released handsets Jul 22 16:19:18 because obviously ppl aren't getting the same device you have Jul 22 16:20:10 yeah, this is a branded phone Jul 22 16:20:19 So its basically the same Jul 22 16:20:23 it's the memory restricted Vodafone magic Jul 22 16:20:25 they didn't send him a dev phone Jul 22 16:20:30 it has the Vodafone branding Jul 22 16:20:40 Then its identical, basically Jul 22 16:20:46 the Hero we have doesn't have any logos on it, or serive provider logos Jul 22 16:21:39 how do you like the hero compared to the magic with less memory? Jul 22 16:22:22 thats my point Jul 22 16:22:35 yeah, the Hero is much quicker Jul 22 16:22:42 even with the HTC apps running Jul 22 16:23:27 I wonder how it would stack up to the magic with the same memory Jul 22 16:23:56 Are you liking the android experience on either? Jul 22 16:24:08 Oh I love it Jul 22 16:24:17 I'm really upset about giving it back Jul 22 16:24:45 IanPM you think the Hero is that much quicker? Jul 22 16:24:50 It doesn't seem all that quick to me Jul 22 16:25:15 depends what you compare it to Jul 22 16:25:57 To the Vodafone Magic, the hero is much quicker Jul 22 16:26:32 I'm wondering if hero roms have come far enough for it to be worthwhile to test it on my dream by now Jul 22 16:26:54 the Dream is basically the same hardare as the Magic, right? Jul 22 16:27:18 yes Jul 22 16:27:21 same as what you're using Jul 22 16:27:33 yeah, then it's probably worth trying Jul 22 16:28:31 Alright you've talked me in to it. I put up such a fight, I know. Jul 22 16:28:59 lopl Jul 22 16:29:01 lol Jul 22 16:29:22 for some reason this phone WON'T show up on my adb list Jul 22 16:31:00 windows or linux? Jul 22 16:31:17 windows Jul 22 16:31:21 the last one worked fine Jul 22 16:32:48 hmm Jul 22 16:32:56 Expand usb devices in device manager Jul 22 16:33:08 and then unplug/replug see if you see a change Jul 22 16:33:18 likely its showing up under there with wrong driver Jul 22 16:35:01 checking now Jul 22 16:35:37 could anyone tell me if there are any special href links that would alow an android user to send an sms message with a message already specified? Jul 22 16:35:39 Looks like im going to have to repartition my sdcard again to try out this hero build, so I'm going to have to make some full backups first, this may take awhile :\ Jul 22 16:35:50 from a web page that is Jul 22 16:36:30 i keep crashing android every time something would request gps data Jul 22 16:38:30 mk.. as suspected lads.. tx to cyanogen's recovery img.. quite handy n fast to wipe n restore.. Jul 22 16:38:46 yep Jul 22 16:42:20 dont suppose grasping at preverbial straws an running cy's ext3 fs utility could magically fix me force closes that wipe didnt eh mates? Jul 22 16:42:54 did you do a restore? Jul 22 16:42:58 * tech9iner ironically just read android article this am bout force closings seen.. Jul 22 16:43:08 if you did a restore you are going to have the same problems as before you wiped Jul 22 16:43:13 itsrumsey: eh.. as shared above yes.. Jul 22 16:43:19 wtf.. Jul 22 16:43:39 well the problem is probably the rom, so restoring a bad rom is not going to help Jul 22 16:44:14 itsrumsey: mk how horrid is it to restore only data.. call logs contacts etc then?.. Jul 22 16:44:42 download backup for root users from the market Jul 22 16:44:47 * tech9iner grumbles.. jhcrikey.. guessing this means all me apps installed.. blah blah infinitum will all have to be reinstalled as if bloody g1 just arrived all over again then? Jul 22 16:44:51 that should do the trick, i believe Jul 22 16:45:07 itsrumsey: you mean 'my backup' lite? Jul 22 16:45:13 tech9iner: kind of, but you can mitigate most of that Jul 22 16:45:23 whoa.. lol.. '''i believe''' not good Jul 22 16:45:38 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.bg.smsbk Jul 22 16:46:12 ffs Jul 22 16:46:19 this is a pain in the arse Jul 22 16:46:28 alternatively tech9iner you could use MyBackupPro which is easier, but is a paid app Jul 22 16:46:38 sorry to hear that IanPM Jul 22 16:49:14 it's windows fault Jul 22 16:49:22 I don't doubt that Jul 22 16:49:31 it's failing to load the driver, or accept that the phone is connected Jul 22 16:49:37 it's showsing the phone as a drive Jul 22 16:49:40 but not as a device Jul 22 16:49:44 which means no ADB Jul 22 16:50:17 how are you trying to connect the phone? Jul 22 16:50:23 while its on home, recovery, or SPL screen? Jul 22 16:50:30 itsrumsey: me? Jul 22 16:50:40 try following the instructions towards the top of this page for getting the driver installed http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/NANDROID_Fastboot Jul 22 16:50:53 No tech9iner, sorry I was talking to IanPM Jul 22 16:51:25 no worries.. downloading bu 4 root now itsrumsey .. shall have a go.. repeat wipe.. then restore from it then Jul 22 16:51:26 look at this line IanPM: -If you don't see an "ADB Interface" category, then it's likely that windows loaded the USB Mass Storage driver for it automatically. Jul 22 16:52:09 on the home screen Jul 22 16:52:30 yeah, there is no ADB interface catagory Jul 22 16:52:44 What exactly are you trying to do through ADB?/ Jul 22 16:52:50 you may need to do it from the SPL screen Jul 22 16:53:16 * tech9iner must say thanks to JesusFreke and cyanogen and other lads of their mention's contributions tho.. not their efforts fault that me g1's awry.. Jul 22 16:53:17 well, at this point, I need windows to recognise it Jul 22 16:53:26 which it used to do with my other loan Magic Jul 22 16:53:50 Recognize it to what end? It recognizes it right now, just appareantly incorrectly for your purposes Jul 22 16:54:08 well, it's seeing it as a "disk drive" Jul 22 16:54:17 but not as any sort of device that's any use Jul 22 16:54:31 How would you like it to show up? You want to be able to run adb on it? Jul 22 16:54:47 well, I need it to show up in the adp devices list Jul 22 16:55:17 Double check that you followed all of these instructions from the page I linked: Jul 22 16:55:28 -In the device manager, go down to "Universal Serial Bus Controllers", & see if you have at least one "USB Mass Storage device". If you have multiple ones, you'll need to go through each to find the correct one. Jul 22 16:55:36 -To find the correct one, right click on the USB Mass Storage device & click Properties. -Go to the Details tab. Jul 22 16:55:41 -In the combo box at the top that says "Device Instance Id", bring up the pull down & choose "Compatible Ids". Jul 22 16:55:46 -If that is the correct device, then you will see 3 entries: Jul 22 16:55:46 * USB\Class_ff&SubClass_42&Prot_03 Jul 22 16:55:46 * USB\Class_ff&SubClass_42 Jul 22 16:55:46 * USB\Class_ff Jul 22 16:56:26 anyone else have the problem that first key presses on surfaceview dont work til it does a "force close /wait" ? Jul 22 16:59:28 I can't find any USB devices that match that itsrumsey Jul 22 16:59:47 they are all Prot_01 or Prot_50 ot stuff like that Jul 22 17:00:11 Yeah the ID I listed is probably not correct Jul 22 17:00:14 its for the Dream Jul 22 17:00:17 :D Jul 22 17:00:23 But you get the idea, ONE of those devices is the magic Jul 22 17:00:31 the key is finding the right one and feeding it the driver Jul 22 17:00:40 is it a composite device? Jul 22 17:00:40 if you pick the right one, windows should accept the driver Jul 22 17:00:48 it'll be a usb mass storage device Jul 22 17:00:59 okay, four of those to try Jul 22 17:01:48 HA! Jul 22 17:01:50 there we go Jul 22 17:02:07 what a nightmare Jul 22 17:02:12 but thanks, that's the one Jul 22 17:02:32 Glad it worked ;) Jul 22 17:02:33 C:\Documents and Settings\imorris\desktop\android-sdk-windows-1.5_r2\tools>adb d Jul 22 17:02:33 evices Jul 22 17:02:33 List of devices attached Jul 22 17:02:33 HT94SKF14565 device Jul 22 17:02:41 :D Jul 22 17:03:37 itsrumsey: hmmmmm.. reviews on backup for root not good.. Jul 22 17:03:40 itsrumsey: my SD is class 2 :( Jul 22 17:04:06 tech9iner: it does take some know how to use it right :\ Jul 22 17:04:19 ah yea, too slow for apps2sd Jul 22 17:04:22 I'll be ordering a new SD soon.. I just do't need it now. Jul 22 17:04:44 itsrumsey: Yeah, I got one of the first 16g ones. Jul 22 17:05:13 lol, thats a lot of space. i don't use my sdcard for much but pictures, some mp3s Jul 22 17:06:30 itsrumsey: haha I transport ISOs Jul 22 17:06:40 NEVAR WITHOUT SPACE! Jul 22 17:07:12 itsrumsey: methinks i may need to seek out partial manual nandroid restores perhaps.. or take $ hit for mybackuppro.. if nan dox and howtos are overwhelming to me video brain ;]] Jul 22 17:07:42 MyBackupPro only does data+apps, not a full image backup. Jul 22 17:07:55 tech9iner: youc ant do it with nandroid Jul 22 17:07:57 unfortunately Jul 22 17:08:13 iCEBrkr: mybackuppro does sms, call logs, etc that he wants Jul 22 17:08:19 ohhh Jul 22 17:08:30 If that's what he wants, then it's worth the $ Jul 22 17:08:32 :) Jul 22 17:08:36 I paid for it. Jul 22 17:08:47 how much is it again Jul 22 17:08:58 I dunno.. at most $3 Jul 22 17:09:22 Considering what I spend at the bar in one night? That's chump change. Jul 22 17:09:35 yep Jul 22 17:09:35 Though $3 is a beer. Jul 22 17:09:38 lol Jul 22 17:10:25 iCEBrkr: does mybackuppro include all apps/data/etc then? Jul 22 17:10:37 it does apps, but not app DATA last time i checked Jul 22 17:10:53 you can use bu for root users to backup app data pretty easy Jul 22 17:14:14 I think this is the biggest failing of Android. No complete backup Jul 22 17:14:20 Nokia does that really well Jul 22 17:14:29 tech9iner: It pretty much backs up what it can. Jul 22 17:14:29 everything can be stored and restored later Jul 22 17:14:55 IanPM: Does any phone have a backup?? Jul 22 17:15:01 IanPM: my sidekick never had a backup option. Jul 22 17:15:24 IanPM: Hell, you couldn't even get your contacts OUT of the Sidekick/T-Mobiles website. Jul 22 17:15:27 IanPM: yeah that sounds like a great feature of the nokia, but I haevn't seen many if any phones that do that Jul 22 17:15:33 I had to write my own contact export to SD Jul 22 17:15:46 on the N95, it's a part of the PC Suite Jul 22 17:15:58 you run backup and EVERYTHING can be stored Jul 22 17:16:00 blackberrys do it too, actually Jul 22 17:16:03 it's fantastic Jul 22 17:16:04 i forgot about those Jul 22 17:16:15 tech9iner I sent you a pm Jul 22 17:16:20 It's really not a down-fall of Android. Jul 22 17:17:50 umm i got my contacts out of sidekick/tmobile site fine Jul 22 17:18:11 dammit.. only sucky parts of wifi tethering me g1's 3g.. is phone calls and/or full linux reboots to re-stablize tether if disabled hour or two.. Jul 22 17:19:05 this rooting process isn't as hard as I thought it would be Jul 22 17:19:09 so faar Jul 22 17:19:10 huh...? Does anyone know whats in the davlik cache? Is it anything to be bothered backing up if im going to be doing a complete wipe? Jul 22 17:19:11 iCEBrkr: paid!! app that doesnt backup app data?.. say taint so Jul 22 17:19:27 IanPM: its a lot harder for the tmobile branded phones, i think Jul 22 17:19:33 hehe Jul 22 17:19:40 If I get to see one, I'll try it Jul 22 17:19:46 IanPM: lol.. you sound like me.. whimpering intimidated foo foo.. then after done.. breezy after all hehe Jul 22 17:19:57 It's a shame Vodafone short changed us with the RAM Jul 22 17:20:07 IanPM: thats kinda crazy Jul 22 17:20:35 itsrumsey: speaking of phone call disconnects from here lad.. didnt get your pm Jul 22 17:20:58 I think this rooting is a lot easier when: Jul 22 17:21:02 1) it isn't your phone Jul 22 17:21:06 2) It's going back tomorrow Jul 22 17:21:42 lol Jul 22 17:22:02 dear god, the initial boot takes its sweet time Jul 22 17:22:07 IanPM: 3) grandma paid for it in first place ;]] Jul 22 17:22:47 lol Jul 22 17:22:51 IanPM: oh yeah, long time Jul 22 17:26:46 blau-mikeDG: Yeah, how'd you do that?? Jul 22 17:32:10 luckily IanPM, once you get your phone rooted backups are pretty painless Jul 22 17:32:43 yeah, it seems so Jul 22 17:32:48 plus you get wifi tether ;) Jul 22 17:32:58 well, I think that all worked Jul 22 17:33:08 I'm doing the SU hack now Jul 22 17:34:52 with any luck the rom you flash will have su by default Jul 22 17:35:24 SU hack? Jul 22 17:35:36 oh, you put RC29 on there? Jul 22 17:35:42 * iCEBrkr is lost and confused Jul 22 17:36:17 ffs Jul 22 17:36:17 ls -l *su Jul 22 17:36:17 -rwsr-xr-x root root 76200 2008-08-01 13:00 osu Jul 22 17:36:17 -rwsr-sr-x root root 76200 2009-07-22 18:34 su Jul 22 17:36:42 su doesn't have the same permissions as osu Jul 22 17:36:46 which it should have Jul 22 17:37:04 su doesn't have the same permissions as osu Jul 22 17:37:09 whoops Jul 22 17:38:42 lol Jul 22 17:41:02 hmmmm.. grrrreat.. '''There should be a warning that MyBackupPro will screw up your google contacts and wipe''' Jul 22 17:41:14 not goodly Jul 22 17:41:37 i use "backup for root users" Jul 22 17:42:17 descention: but.. does it do entire apps + apps data etc then? Jul 22 17:42:31 descention: honestly.. reading its market reviews kind of scary Jul 22 17:42:56 it has selections for "apk" and "data" Jul 22 17:43:37 it was on my device when i got it. i haven't had to restore anything yet, but i'm hoping it works Jul 22 17:44:07 (note that wholesale backup/restore may not be quite possible across heterogeneous devices. uid mapping is a big potential pain point, for example. contacts db handling is another, as people have noticed. etc.) Jul 22 17:45:28 i just tried jackhero 2.74, but i am now going back to Cyanogen's build. Jackhero's Rom is not ready. No led notifier, No bluetooth, no multi-touch, starts fast (then slows to a crawl), camera button--not working...apart from that, it looks beautiful Jul 22 17:46:09 descention: did you read last 3 reviews ?.. 1)2009-07-22 13:32:44 Can't find any instruction on how to re-install after reset. Please advise 2)2009-07-22 09:16:25 In this new version the app: 1.Hangs. 2.removes shortcuts. 3. Removes all my widgets from my homescreen. 4. Duplicates icons in the app curtain. 3)2009-07-22 06:59:04 Some how it managed to uninstall most of my apps and reinstall the old apk's Jul 22 17:46:37 descention: not exactly warm n encouraging feedback mate.. Jul 22 17:47:40 i understand that completely, but i'm not too concerned... given, i've just made new data.img files 3 times in the last week. the most i care to back up is the APN because i hate entering that info. Jul 22 17:48:06 <[diablo]> evening all... guys, is there away to use my HTC Magic as a USB ethernet device (Like internet sharing in WM), so I can connect to my netbook and surf the web? Jul 22 17:51:46 tech9iner: There's no need to backup Contacts.. Google does that for you Jul 22 17:52:18 btw mates.. anyone ever heard of any hack or tweak or ?? way to receive / make phone calls while wifi tethering without breaking net connnection yet?.. Jul 22 17:52:22 iCEBrkr: got that bit mate.. tx.. Jul 22 17:52:25 twois10: Multi-touch is over rated. Jul 22 17:52:35 iCEBrkr: says you Jul 22 17:52:40 not worried bout the cloud as much as the local call logs n apps n app configs / data etc Jul 22 17:52:44 iCEBrkr: depends for what Jul 22 17:52:46 twois10: It doesn't even work 'nice' Jul 22 17:52:54 iCEBrkr: says you Jul 22 17:53:05 It's like.. Oh.. zoomin.. Ok.. CLUNK-CLUNK. Jul 22 17:53:07 It's not even smooth. Jul 22 17:53:16 works great in browser mode Jul 22 17:53:20 hardly. Jul 22 17:53:30 iCEBrkr: there were more than a few times where I would have killed for multitouch to be able to implement some sane touchscreen controls in my games Jul 22 17:53:35 It's like it zooms to set sets.. Jul 22 17:53:37 err sizes Jul 22 17:53:47 hey twois10 btw.. was it you days back that discovered how to copy n paste from browser mate? Jul 22 17:53:55 sammyF: AHH!! Good point! Jul 22 17:54:02 tech9iner: nope Jul 22 17:54:11 <[diablo]> anyone please? Jul 22 17:54:19 sammyF: yeah, tapper games have a need for multi-touch.. Jul 22 17:54:42 cant seem to getit to work atoll here.. i can see mouse cursor change implying its copied.. even get little info balloon claiming same.. but cant get it to paste.. Jul 22 17:54:58 iCEBrkr: yep. and as you just can't rely on the fact that the android device your game runs has a hardware keyboard ... ;) Jul 22 17:55:16 sammyF: Yeah Jul 22 17:55:32 tech9iner: long-press doesn't pop the copy-all dialog? Jul 22 17:55:37 iCEBrkr: basically, Android devices are very sub-par for game devs Jul 22 17:56:06 iCEBrkr: im not fan of 'copy all' web pages on a g1 lol.. Jul 22 17:56:10 sammyF: Since there's no guarentee on hardware.. Right. Jul 22 17:56:28 i need specific drag / hilite then copy then paste.. Jul 22 17:56:35 sammyF: I like the Assassins Creed method. Jul 22 17:56:37 *specific selection Jul 22 17:56:43 tech9iner: ohhhh Jul 22 17:57:03 tech9iner: It's a phone with a mobile browser. FYI Jul 22 17:57:04 :P Jul 22 17:58:26 <[diablo]> I have looked thru the menus and can not see anyway of sticking it in a USB mode that would share my 3G connection with the netbook Jul 22 17:58:59 [diablo]: google is your friend Jul 22 17:59:00 [diablo]: Yeah, I don't think there's a way to do that. Jul 22 17:59:09 iCEBrkr: there i Jul 22 17:59:11 is* Jul 22 17:59:12 <[diablo]> damn Jul 22 17:59:15 <[diablo]> really? Jul 22 17:59:15 descention: ORLY? Jul 22 17:59:17 yes Jul 22 17:59:22 <[diablo]> that is a surprise Jul 22 17:59:43 if you find it, you pass the test Jul 22 17:59:50 I think that would have been the first route to take. All these adhoc wifi tether apps... Jul 22 17:59:53 pfft Jul 22 18:00:18 iCEBrkr: t-mobile doesn't want the apps on the market so they've been removed Jul 22 18:00:28 which is why you don't see any Jul 22 18:00:28 <[diablo]> descention, seems odd they missed that out... would have thought it would be easy to create a virtual interface Jul 22 18:00:33 <[diablo]> and route it Jul 22 18:00:35 descention: I know. Jul 22 18:00:50 descention: I'm not that much of a newb :P Jul 22 18:00:55 hehe, just making sure Jul 22 18:00:59 :) Jul 22 18:01:29 [diablo]: i'm not sure if the devs have that much access to do so yet. Jul 22 18:01:54 the current method is just a socks proxy Jul 22 18:02:00 <[diablo]> descention, mmm need to download the devkit and have a go Jul 22 18:02:17 <[diablo]> descention, I do C, but no java Jul 22 18:02:44 grrrrr.. mybackuppro faq '''Can MyBackup backup the data specific to my other application? We can not get the applications data because of security built into Android''' .. Jul 22 18:02:45 i'm a PHP person myself Jul 22 18:03:16 seems currently there ARe no true dependable 'backup everything but rom' apps Jul 22 18:03:25 hello. Jul 22 18:03:29 tech9iner: back up root yourself? Jul 22 18:03:37 astroblack: ello Jul 22 18:03:56 descention: hu wha?.. Jul 22 18:04:17 got a g1 yesterday and i was poking around on the android developer page. found this channel Jul 22 18:04:21 tech9iner: cp / Jul 22 18:04:26 decided to drop in Jul 22 18:04:40 i think i forgot a few args Jul 22 18:04:48 I'm just chiming in, i dont know what multitouch you use iCEBrkr but mine works great Jul 22 18:04:51 its not set sizes Jul 22 18:05:29 descention: cant imagine.. once g1 / android is wiped.. one could get away with cp /out then cp /in successfully.. specially so with installed apps.. Jul 22 18:05:56 descention: and even making sure wtf data needs to be cp'ed over even.. major headache methinks.. Jul 22 18:06:23 itsrumsey: I'm running with Cyanogen's 3.6.8.1.a.1.2.3.4 whatever version from yesterday/2days ago. Jul 22 18:06:30 :P Jul 22 18:06:38 am i off me rocker more than atypical for me lads?.. or DIdnt i read some hack to do specific data and/or partial nandroid restores? Jul 22 18:06:40 I'm using cyanogen 3.6 Jul 22 18:06:59 I can do it with 1 hand, it works pretty damn wonderfully, just about par with the iphone i have here Jul 22 18:07:08 3.6.8.1 Jul 22 18:07:16 just a quick q for you guys, where would be a good place to start if i am interesting in rooting my phone. Jul 22 18:07:16 im prepping to test out jacheroski new image though Jul 22 18:07:34 itsrumsey: I tried a bunch of those last night, none worked. Jul 22 18:07:34 i just got a g1 and i'm eager to unlock it. Jul 22 18:07:34 itsrumsey: find it bit amazing how many chaps here and abroad have least one of ea.. g1 & iphones hehe Jul 22 18:07:53 i've unlocked my 8125, which wasn't too hard Jul 22 18:08:01 so naturally i wanna root Jul 22 18:08:01 tech9iner: iphone is mostly for work Jul 22 18:08:05 i like to use my g1 more ;) Jul 22 18:08:19 tech9iner: A lot of apps store their data on the SD.. I'm not sure why you're so worried about backing up. Jul 22 18:08:34 a lot of apps dont though, a LOT Jul 22 18:08:43 there are at least a dozen apps i have to manually back up data for Jul 22 18:08:48 itsrumsey: Odd, my SD is filled with random directories. Jul 22 18:09:01 yeah usually data files Jul 22 18:09:06 but settings etc are usually stored on rom Jul 22 18:09:15 That's horrible. Jul 22 18:09:25 Well, I gues it's not tha tbad. Jul 22 18:09:25 iCEBrkr: roflmfao.. mmmmk then.. its my data im worried about.. and even your '''A lot of apps store their data on the SD''' bemoans me plight.. which ones do?.. which ones dont.. blah blah infinitum Jul 22 18:09:54 tech9iner: I dunno, I guess I just don't have anything to worry about.. I wiped my phone 6 times last night.. Jul 22 18:09:56 ditto itsrumsey thanks.. Jul 22 18:10:03 and I don't mind reinstalling my apps. Jul 22 18:10:05 gooooood evening Jul 22 18:10:05 iCEBrkr: cheers! Jul 22 18:10:18 I am wiping right now so i can get a clean feeling afterwards Jul 22 18:10:22 Mybackup Pro prompts when restoring apps.. well the app installer does anyhow Jul 22 18:10:23 iCEBrkr: it becomes an issue if you have over 100 apps and you've been using them for months Jul 22 18:10:27 twois10: haha Jul 22 18:10:28 i'm always up for a good ol' reformat Jul 22 18:10:35 twois10: Use Charmin Jul 22 18:10:45 iCEBrkr: i use my fingers Jul 22 18:10:51 twois10: Sounds hawt! Jul 22 18:10:52 eww Jul 22 18:10:57 i may just deal with the force closes debuggary till weekend.. then wipe.. and reinstall all apps ive grown fond of.. horrid.. but may be me best time investment overall to get cupcake in righteous order again.. Jul 22 18:11:02 what are you guys talking about Jul 22 18:11:03 Dirty Sanchez Jul 22 18:11:22 LOL Jul 22 18:11:22 tech9iner: backup dataz Jul 22 18:11:25 its easier to get to the buttons, with my fingers Jul 22 18:11:37 er Jul 22 18:11:38 Sure it plays the innocent role now. Jul 22 18:11:46 ditto itsrumsey pt iCEBrkr .. too two 2 many apps to be reinstalling all over again.. Jul 22 18:11:47 s/it/he Jul 22 18:11:48 is there a way to back up texts messages without rooting? Jul 22 18:11:58 text* Jul 22 18:12:04 isn't there an app that spools them to your email? Jul 22 18:12:10 James_B: MyBackup will do it. Jul 22 18:12:14 * ctate recalls hearing about such interesting solutions Jul 22 18:12:27 anyone else here use google voice? Jul 22 18:12:27 James_B: smsbackup works nice for me mate Jul 22 18:12:37 iCEBrkr: cheers Jul 22 18:12:50 James_B: love having all me sms's backed up to gmail acct in cloud.. Jul 22 18:12:54 tech9iner: ill check that out oo thanks :) Jul 22 18:12:56 jackhero is really nice, how i wished it worked better Jul 22 18:13:01 too* Jul 22 18:13:04 James_B: no worries.. yw Jul 22 18:13:20 it has sync with not just google Jul 22 18:13:36 James_B: lmao.. i thot you were doing a M Monroe '''oo thanks big bouy'' lol.. Jul 22 18:14:01 tech9iner you can restore your apps pretty quick Jul 22 18:14:01 I nuke my SMS messages.. I can't have any evidence... Jul 22 18:14:03 tech9iner: maybe i was *limp wrist* Jul 22 18:14:04 one swift copy Jul 22 18:14:07 ;) Jul 22 18:14:09 All that sexting I do. Jul 22 18:14:43 itsrumsey: is this 'pretty quick' one.. or 7 diaper changes deep? ;]]] Jul 22 18:15:14 ah... who knows? :D Jul 22 18:15:23 i just file explorer to copy my app and app-private folder Jul 22 18:15:25 then copy it back Jul 22 18:16:05 Hi Jul 22 18:16:14 can i download apps and add them to the phone? Jul 22 18:16:17 its faster this way? Jul 22 18:17:03 Ace2017_-: There's a few Apk Installers. Jul 22 18:17:22 Download the apps to your SD and install from there.. Jul 22 18:17:29 I dunno if it's worth the hassle Jul 22 18:17:31 Ace2017_-: imho.. by time you download on pc's hispeed.. then usb tether.. then transfer over.. less you're android cell is in low end ie edge only or such.. seems bit inefficient in lieu of old fashioned market direct to android? Jul 22 18:17:42 i haven't found anywhere to download the apps from the web Jul 22 18:17:50 cyrket.com Jul 22 18:18:01 what itsrumsey said. Jul 22 18:18:06 ah Jul 22 18:18:06 There's some other one too.. Jul 22 18:18:10 appp Jul 22 18:18:26 but, you can't download them... the apk files... to your pc, can you? Jul 22 18:18:38 not very easily Jul 22 18:19:00 * Ace2017_- wonders why the market place doesn't have screenshots Jul 22 18:19:04 * tech9iner found them all via googling android and ".apk" Jul 22 18:19:11 some apps i just end up installing and uninstalling Jul 22 18:20:04 Ace2017_-: I do the same. Jul 22 18:20:29 so far we only have a very small description of what an app can do, usually its very brief Jul 22 18:21:31 Ace2017_-: comments help :) Jul 22 18:21:37 someone remind me how to control what procs get included each fresh boot ?.. task mngr shows me bout 21 apps n services n such each fresh boot.. ie silly never ever used 'voice dialer' etc.. Jul 22 18:22:01 sometimes they help, but most of the time i want a niche app that not many people download Jul 22 18:22:11 damn my data folder is so fat. Jul 22 18:22:21 every boot me 1st step is to always kill all sans messaging & keyboard.. before firing up what i ACtually want to have running Jul 22 18:22:26 so fat its fat32? Jul 22 18:22:38 lol Jul 22 18:22:41 Ace2017_-: context clues and googling for what you need, that's your best bet Jul 22 18:22:44 and search cyrket Jul 22 18:22:54 tech9iner: That's half the problem... Jul 22 18:23:00 it just wastes time thats all Jul 22 18:23:13 tech9iner: All these devs just fire processes up not thinking of the other 12 apps doing the same thing. Jul 22 18:23:31 tech9iner: So now you're out of memory.. CPU is at 100% and Android is on a killing spree. Jul 22 18:23:33 tech9iner: well i guess its a good think you have task manager then :p Jul 22 18:23:40 thing* Jul 22 18:23:54 Why? Jul 22 18:23:59 They're just going to start up again anyhow Jul 22 18:24:11 only if they're super extra shitty. Jul 22 18:24:28 when i boot my phone i have about 16 processes, with over 100 apps installed, i kill them all and i stay at 2-3 the rest of the day Jul 22 18:24:33 tech9iner: just installed it, lovely app Jul 22 18:24:41 iCEBrkr: not true.. only 1-3 truly anarchial apps refire.. like sucktard droidrecord etc Jul 22 18:24:45 although its just feeding my addiction to google Jul 22 18:24:56 i don't have many apps, i have only what i need Jul 22 18:24:56 now i have google hosting everything from my sms to my code :D Jul 22 18:24:58 yeah tech9iner thats in line with my experiences Jul 22 18:25:16 I need a lot of apps, most of mine are IT related Jul 22 18:25:34 James_B: Welcome to the dark side. Jul 22 18:25:35 oh and damned default music .. grr.. someone needs to code a BFH on that bloody bugga Jul 22 18:26:07 iCEBrkr: and it feels so good :D Jul 22 18:26:21 my music app never starts up... yo must have a widget on there./ Jul 22 18:26:32 James_B: i'm waiting for google to have a catastrophic meltdown... the world will be in panic because of people like you Jul 22 18:26:33 music widget is nice Jul 22 18:26:40 * tech9iner enlightens for chaps here of the 'soft white hands that never turned a bloody ratchet nor got greasy' crowd... BigFckgHammer = BFH ;]]] Jul 22 18:27:01 hahaha Jul 22 18:27:07 descention: tell me about it! (having said that i have hard backups of my iportant stuff ^^) Jul 22 18:27:16 tech9iner: If you said BFG, we'd understand. Jul 22 18:27:23 haha Jul 22 18:27:26 itsrumsey: jolly great pt mate.. so wtf does one find the 'startup folder of wacky widgets' at in andy? Jul 22 18:28:08 I don't know how to control those boot processes, besides deleting your music widget :) Jul 22 18:28:11 iCEBrkr: ahem.. sorry.. not into the 'big grrl' thang here laddie.. but thanks.. more for urine eh lad ;]] Jul 22 18:28:31 itsrumsey: on the desktop?.. Jul 22 18:28:42 yeah Jul 22 18:28:46 shirley icons on desktop isnt the culprit? Jul 22 18:28:48 seriously? Jul 22 18:29:00 a widget is similiar to an app Jul 22 18:29:10 so yeah, that "icon" is a running process Jul 22 18:29:12 not a shortcut Jul 22 18:29:15 nawwww.. say taint so.. ive got all 3 dtops full of all kinds of shortcuts.. but they dont all boot Jul 22 18:29:29 only widgets Jul 22 18:29:35 yeah, appwidgets are apps + remoteviews Jul 22 18:29:45 (mostly) Jul 22 18:30:03 mk.. how to discern diff tween dtop icons only for breezy access.. and icon looking widgets then lads? Jul 22 18:30:10 yeah i stay away from widgets for the most part Jul 22 18:30:29 where is the thread with htc hero theme for cupcake Jul 22 18:30:45 * tech9iner has never ever seen any hints that when he was filling his dtop with said icons n ??.. that one was a widget.. one simply a shortcut for clickn Jul 22 18:31:08 Ahhh... you can generally tell a widget when you see it... its not an icon, lol Jul 22 18:31:11 dxtop or whatever it is is different Jul 22 18:31:19 the music widget is a big toolbar that goes across the screen Jul 22 18:31:23 do you have that enabled? Jul 22 18:31:30 were talking about android, not some garbage home replacement overlay Jul 22 18:32:10 itsrumsey: nope.. no music 'bar' of any sorts chum Jul 22 18:32:29 i have nothin but google calendar and google search widgets Jul 22 18:32:32 Well it sounds like you dont have the widget on your desktop, i dont know why it would be starting on its own all the time. Jul 22 18:32:40 and neither of those have active running processes Jul 22 18:32:42 itsrumsey: methinks im getting tiny flicker of parse tho.. ie like the 'search bar' widget eh? Jul 22 18:32:55 tech9iner: the google search and clock are widgets. Jul 22 18:32:59 yea thats a widget tech9iner, i have no widgets on mine Jul 22 18:33:24 but yeah, what TommyBres said about gsearch, though I thought the calender one makes calender run at all times Jul 22 18:33:57 itsrumsey: whoa.. i didnt say it started on its own.. mea culpa for korn'fusing ya m'fren.. i said it didnt like to fckg simply close period upon the rare occasions i fire it up and/or accidentally start it by clicking on say audio files etc Jul 22 18:34:04 itsrumsey according to task manager calendar isnt running Jul 22 18:34:15 whether true or not idk, but it doesnt show it Jul 22 18:34:26 itsrumsey: iow like droidrecord that takes bout 15x task mngr kill to stop reappearing Jul 22 18:34:32 if it doesnt show its probably not running Jul 22 18:34:47 what is droidrecord? Jul 22 18:34:52 TommyBres: what's this calendar widget? Jul 22 18:35:03 itsrumsey: voice/call recorder.. Jul 22 18:35:22 nice Jul 22 18:35:32 my app data folder is 43mbs :\ Jul 22 18:35:39 itsrumsey: bout the only one ive ever found that actually.. albeit bit unstably at times.. bit buggy round the edges.. but actually records duplex calls.. Jul 22 18:35:47 descention its a standard widget.... Jul 22 18:36:01 it shows your appts for that day or the next Jul 22 18:36:19 is it possible to remove the amazon mp3 app? Jul 22 18:36:25 ah ha! i forgot those things were there. Jul 22 18:36:32 itsrumsey my app data folder is like 120mb Jul 22 18:36:50 wow, thats curious Jul 22 18:36:55 * tech9iner swears he must've been on his backup old laptop when he found the howto custom restore data from nandroid backups.. dammit.. its x town w mateOmine Jul 22 18:37:07 Ace2017_- only by switching to an adp image Jul 22 18:37:15 you cant remove it individually Jul 22 18:37:35 oh Jul 22 18:37:48 can't i delete some files in there? Jul 22 18:38:24 alright i've got my apps, my data, my sms/call log/bookmarks/mms/shortcuts/alarms backed up. I think i'm wipe ready. Jul 22 18:39:24 anyone know of any cool remotey apps besides Torrent-FU and Gmote? Jul 22 18:39:46 ssh? Jul 22 18:39:51 haha Jul 22 18:40:13 remote vnc? remote rdp? Jul 22 18:40:29 ill take a look at them ,thanks ^^ Jul 22 18:41:17 aw poo... to keep my clock in sync between winmo and android, i had to tell android it's clock is GMT+0, I'm GMT-4 though. now my android calendar is messed up... Jul 22 18:41:38 twois10: what hero rom did you try? Jul 22 18:44:20 wow.. this even implies one could use nandroid backups for data.img only?.. ' Jul 22 18:44:22 itsrumsey: jackhero 2.74 Jul 22 18:44:37 where is cyanogen's build 3.65 Jul 22 18:44:43 '''From the NANDROID Backup you will only need to flash three files: -data.img -system.img -boot.img''' Jul 22 18:45:12 twois10: jackheroski? Jul 22 18:45:22 why do you want the older version of cyanogen, i have it, just asking Jul 22 18:45:42 tech9iner: if you restore the sys data you will likely have the same problems you do now :p Jul 22 18:45:47 data.img contains the sys data too Jul 22 18:45:55 since i need to fully wipe me g1.. but dont want the force close bugs ive suffered since first 2 hours of jf's cupcake updates.. [wks back ;[ ].. Jul 22 18:46:03 i want the older version since it worked fine on my phone with hero theme, the hero theme is not compatible with 3.6.6++ Jul 22 18:46:10 ahh Jul 22 18:46:13 its me pt tho itsrumsey .. can i restore all SANs the sys'.img? Jul 22 18:46:40 tech9iner: im not talking about the system.img file, im telling you the system data is stored in data.img Jul 22 18:46:41 itsrumsey: dammit chum! there u go again.. Jul 22 18:46:44 lol Jul 22 18:46:53 itsrumsey: telling me wtf i dont wanna hear lol Jul 22 18:47:20 twois10: i have 3.6 full Jul 22 18:47:44 3.6.x what? Jul 22 18:47:55 just 3.6 Jul 22 18:48:00 but here, get this http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/update-cm-3.4.6-signed.zip Jul 22 18:48:05 itsrumsey: so basically.. this whole debugging issue has me 'tarred'.. and wishing for backup i need to resolve shall soon have me Feathered too eh? ;]] Jul 22 18:48:25 i want 3.6.5 Jul 22 18:48:29 twois10: and after you install that, use this site http://android.v-dh.nl/?m=Updates Jul 22 18:49:17 tech9iner: just use mybackuppro for everything, then use bu for root users to backup the "data -sys" option Jul 22 18:49:27 itsrumsey: so there is no full 3.6.5 without having to update. Jul 22 18:49:36 or just use nandroid for errythang Jul 22 18:49:40 I like a clean feeling Jul 22 18:49:45 at one point there was i'm sure, I don't have that file anymore Jul 22 18:49:50 itsrumsey: ttmywts hmmmmmmm.. BRILLIANT ! ;]].. Jul 22 18:49:55 i have 3.6 and 3.6 to 3.65 Jul 22 18:50:15 cyanogen 3.6.5? Jul 22 18:50:21 itsrumsey: bit of a hack together work round.. but end results is im hopefully beyond debuggary ;]]]] Jul 22 18:50:25 TommyBres: he's switching roms, how ill nandroid help? Jul 22 18:50:41 the same way as always? Jul 22 18:50:46 itsrumsey: not exactly wtf i wanna hear from ya me helpful chum.. but damned site closer hehe Jul 22 18:51:19 TommyBres: try making a backup, wiping and switching to hero, and then flashing your data.img and let me know what happens Jul 22 18:51:41 okie Jul 22 18:51:56 i just did, worked fine Jul 22 18:51:59 sorry if I didn't follow the conversation correctly, but if you want cyanogen 3.6.5 Jul 22 18:52:10 you can get it here: http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/update-cm-3.6.5-signed.zip Jul 22 18:52:14 TommyBres: be clear mate.. me problem is im having major instability and force close/wait problems too.. since jf cupcake udates.. hence nandroid simply replaces same bugs.. im trying to get all data / apps / etc.. but not sys/sys data with inherent bugs Jul 22 18:52:36 Monban: thanks, just what i wanted Jul 22 18:53:00 tech9iner if you switch to a cyanogen rom things will be faster and with less issues even before you change anything Jul 22 18:53:01 Monban: useful Monban, where'd you get the link Jul 22 18:53:13 speaking of critical business... perry mason is on 6 mins.. hush.. rofl Jul 22 18:53:32 itsrumsey: I just um, scrubbed through the http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/ directory Jul 22 18:53:55 normally i keep a copy of every rom/build i use, but misplace cyannogen 3.6.5 Jul 22 18:53:57 TommyBres: tx.. indeed.. i just used 1st cyanogen recovery img today.. any major diffs tween jf's cupcake and cy's then? Jul 22 18:54:02 he has all his roms right there Jul 22 18:54:05 ah yeah i see, lots of images there. Jul 22 18:54:19 well I mean, it's the same place youlinked... Jul 22 18:54:31 tech9iner: cyanogens is faster, other thigns Jul 22 18:54:34 tech9iner a TON of difference in performance, i was amazed when i switched Jul 22 18:54:44 I <3 Cyanogen Jul 22 18:54:47 Monban: tbh I didn't even check the URL :) Jul 22 18:54:53 I've been thinking, if cgroups is responsible for the lag people are seeing post 3.6.5 (I haven't), it's possible to just change the groups of the processes to neutralize fg_boost, etc Jul 22 18:55:03 less force closes too, along the same lines of performance Jul 22 18:55:07 itsrumsey: no challenges then?.. no breaking any google gmail bitsNbytes ASSumed then? Jul 22 18:55:08 but as far as I can tell it works fine Jul 22 18:55:23 iow's itsrumsey &/or TommyBres .. tradeoffs for speed ?> Jul 22 18:55:27 what is cgroups? Jul 22 18:55:54 control groups Jul 22 18:55:59 twois10: its new in donut Jul 22 18:56:06 no tradeoffs Jul 22 18:56:09 basically, you can group a bunch of processes together and assign them different resources Jul 22 18:56:13 * tech9iner admits jf's cupcake also was hoping for speedups.. few things felt tad bit snappier as it were.. but some other things seemed to slow too Jul 22 18:56:28 has exchange support, htc's better camera app, docs support... Jul 22 18:56:30 it probably still needs tweaking Jul 22 18:56:38 itsrumsey: what is donut and and how what does cgroups do for it Jul 22 18:56:43 I also suspect compcache and the low_memory killer aren't playing nice together Jul 22 18:56:54 automatically configures apps2sd with a partitioned sd card... Jul 22 18:56:59 mk.. then sounds like cyn's img be da bomb then eh laddies.. Jul 22 18:57:03 TommyBres: ah yes! thanks for reminding me, i just upgraded form 3.6 and i wanted ot test the exchange support Jul 22 18:57:11 heh Jul 22 18:57:16 but you can just turn that off, in which case cgroups is the main difference between 3.6.5 and 3.6.8, and you can reprogram the cgroups too Jul 22 18:57:17 how can i set the ringtones so it reaches voicemail? Jul 22 18:57:40 tech9iner: JF 1.5.x or Cyanogens are the only two that I've easily gotten to work without issues. Jul 22 18:57:48 this is on my G1 Jul 22 18:58:08 ferdna: huh? Jul 22 18:58:10 mk wtf do i find cyn's cupcake img then heroes? Jul 22 18:58:13 twois10: well noahdroid basically explained cgroups better than I could already, and donut is the android update after cupcake Jul 22 18:58:16 Set the reingoes so it reaches voicemail? Jul 22 18:58:27 tech9iner: forget Hero Jul 22 18:58:34 iCEBrkr: how can i set the number of ringtones before it goes into voicemail? Jul 22 18:58:41 ferdna: You can't. Jul 22 18:59:15 i see Jul 22 18:59:23 is this network independent? Jul 22 18:59:26 sure you can, it's an IMEI code, um.... Jul 22 18:59:34 nono no imei Jul 22 18:59:35 uhm Jul 22 18:59:37 sec Jul 22 18:59:38 The only reason i want cyanogen 3.6.5 is because it works with hero theme 1.45. broken with 3.6.6+ Jul 22 18:59:41 whew.. close one heh.. perfect Perry Mason timing.. Jul 22 18:59:46 tech9iner cyans images are in his official thread on xda_devs Jul 22 18:59:53 tx TommyBres Jul 22 19:00:04 some say cgroup is the cause Jul 22 19:00:06 id get a link but im on my phone Jul 22 19:00:19 now itsrumsey help me think thru tho.. Jul 22 19:00:35 under dream android dev, thread title is like "cyanogen v3, optimization is sooo last year" Jul 22 19:00:42 itsrumsey: cyan's img wont fix me buggary if i restore nandroid either tho huh lol Jul 22 19:00:54 okay ferdna what network are yo on? Jul 22 19:00:58 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 22 19:00:58 www.androidspin.com Jul 22 19:01:04 tech9iner you shouldnt have to wipe from jf, i didnt Jul 22 19:01:06 Monban: t-mobile Jul 22 19:01:08 www.androidspin.com <-- Has ROM image charts!! Jul 22 19:01:14 usa? Jul 22 19:01:17 yeah Jul 22 19:01:19 royal catch 22 where specifically targeted backups / restores are needed Jul 22 19:01:25 icebrkr does it have cyan 3.6.8.1? Jul 22 19:01:32 TommyBres: It may have a link to it.. Jul 22 19:01:36 TommyBres: Most likely it does. Jul 22 19:01:37 He's already having plenty of problems with JF so i'd suggest a wipe, but feel free to update and see if your problems automagiclly disapear Jul 22 19:01:47 okay, so do this, go to your dialer and put in *#61# and dial that Jul 22 19:01:57 it will tell you your voicemail number, write it down Jul 22 19:01:57 in 3.6.8 the htc camcorder is broken, 3.6.8.1 just came out yesterday Jul 22 19:02:24 Monban, then what? Jul 22 19:02:32 the links on JAB just link to the dev thread, so you can't go wrong... BUT i already posted a link to cyans page ;p Jul 22 19:02:34 then dial **61*+1yourvoicemailnumber**11*ss# Jul 22 19:02:46 where ss is the number of seconds, from 5 to 30, you want it to ring Jul 22 19:03:01 wow monban, thats sick Jul 22 19:03:04 you can make sure you got it right by doing *#61# again Jul 22 19:03:06 Monban, 15 Jul 22 19:03:10 does that work for all carriers? Jul 22 19:03:20 Monban: That's good infoz!! Jul 22 19:03:23 TommyBres: I think? not sure Jul 22 19:03:57 ok guys im outta here Jul 22 19:04:01 laters Jul 22 19:04:01 backing up 1300 txts takes... too long. Jul 22 19:04:12 cya Jul 22 19:04:19 itsrumsey get sms backup Jul 22 19:04:25 does it do it quick? Jul 22 19:04:30 it backs them up as you send/receive them Jul 22 19:04:39 ah Jul 22 19:04:40 1 by 1, within minutes Jul 22 19:04:52 wonder how much ram/cpu that uses Jul 22 19:04:59 no clue Jul 22 19:05:09 anyways im leavin, adios Jul 22 19:05:18 Monban: is there a reverse to that Jul 22 19:05:21 itsrumsey: 1300?? Jul 22 19:05:32 itsrumsey: That's a lot of evidence to be keeping around Jul 22 19:05:48 itsrumsey: ok there is a fix for getting 3.6.6+ and hero theme working Jul 22 19:05:57 iCEBrkr: if someone has time to read 1300 of my messages, let em Jul 22 19:06:16 it has to do with cgroup and libandroid_runtime.so Jul 22 19:06:18 I'm not big on themes, never flashed one Jul 22 19:06:34 whats funny is you are flashing back to cyan, while i am prepping to flash to jacheroski Jul 22 19:07:33 itsrumsey: which version of jackheroski? Jul 22 19:08:01 just mail each other your phones! Jul 22 19:08:07 Hero.. NEED MOAR HORSE POWER! Jul 22 19:08:43 twois10: the newest one i guess, though it looks like it has major issues.. no wifi, no multitouch Jul 22 19:09:07 itsrumsey: yep, lots of issue. thats why am going back to cyanogen Jul 22 19:09:18 I might try the SuperLite version Jul 22 19:09:51 tech9iner: not sure what you mean by reverse? you can set the time to whatever you want Jul 22 19:09:59 itsrumsey: you will find bluetooth does not work. no wifi (there is a fix), no led display.... Jul 22 19:10:24 I don't use BT, saw the wifi fix, the LED thing might get to me a bit Jul 22 19:10:41 itsrumsey: camera button does not work Jul 22 19:10:47 is on 2.7.3 because 2.7.4 is laggy and the wifi but applied the fix Jul 22 19:10:56 i dont user BT either so i dont care about it Jul 22 19:11:32 Monban: lmao @ me me.. ;]].. mea culpa.. i was thinking 'call forwarding' .. not time span configs ;]] Jul 22 19:11:34 younger__: does you camera button work? Jul 22 19:11:58 Monban, what is the default do you know? Jul 22 19:11:59 I dont really mind the camera button, so should I check out 2.7.3? its faster? Jul 22 19:13:06 ferdna: 20 I think? Jul 22 19:13:09 does anyone have an opinion on this app http://www.lefutura.com/android/appsdesktop/index.php Jul 22 19:13:19 Monban, and 30 being the highest? Jul 22 19:13:22 that sucks Jul 22 19:13:42 ferdna: yes, I agree, I am not aware of any way to set it higher Jul 22 19:13:42 /nick wickednix Jul 22 19:14:17 ferdna: If I called someone who successfully set that higher than 30, I would want to stab them pretty quick Jul 22 19:14:29 "i just want to leave a message, damnit! this is the 11th ring!" Jul 22 19:14:33 lol Jul 22 19:14:37 twiois01: negative Jul 22 19:14:50 cant press the cam button to launch Jul 22 19:14:55 itsrumsey, you could press * Jul 22 19:15:00 or # Jul 22 19:15:04 true Jul 22 19:15:08 it would take you directly to VM Jul 22 19:15:17 :) Jul 22 19:15:55 so how do you setup comcache Jul 22 19:16:00 compcache Jul 22 19:19:52 an FYI, this app is genius http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.bigtincan.android.adfree Jul 22 19:21:17 that is pretty cool itsrumsey Jul 22 19:21:38 saves bandwidth downloading over sloow slooow EDGE Jul 22 19:21:55 great because i have a few apps with annoying banenrs Jul 22 19:21:59 this seems to have stopped it Jul 22 19:22:32 although in some places in web pages you now get a "the data at so-and-so could not be found", maybe in iframes? Jul 22 19:22:35 itsrumsey: do you have ext3 or ext4? Jul 22 19:22:46 I was thinking maybe a mini-httpd that returned a 1x1 bitmap would get rid of that Jul 22 19:23:08 ;D ..trippin on irc, it's awesome ;D Jul 22 19:23:14 noahdroid: yea :\, just another service to run though Jul 22 19:23:23 twois10: ext2 right now Jul 22 19:23:33 oh Jul 22 19:23:36 itsrumsey: this is the best custom rooted rom info found man.. http://www.androidspin.com/android_build_information.asp thx 2 iCEBrkr Jul 22 19:23:45 true, but that one could be pretty damned small Jul 22 19:23:49 i am using ext4 Jul 22 19:23:58 not a biggie if it dies either, really Jul 22 19:23:58 tech9iner yeah that sites been around forever, it just now got its own domain name Jul 22 19:24:29 yeah you'd be back where you started Jul 22 19:24:58 tech9iner: it's difficult to read. and some of it may be out of date.. Jul 22 19:25:04 tech9iner: But you can get the general idea Jul 22 19:26:47 noahdroid: well if you make it, i'll use it :) Jul 22 19:26:49 anyone figure how to stop the messages for updates ? Jul 22 19:27:14 iCEBrkr: no matter.. even if 4 wks date obsolete.. least it offers convenient side by side comparisons.. Jul 22 19:27:15 on the jf builds Jul 22 19:27:37 itsrumsey: ok, I'll mention it if I feel motivated. it's not a frequent annoyance :-) Jul 22 19:28:58 i keep getting a system update on my phone is there a way to stop this from happening on jf 1.5.1 Jul 22 19:29:20 dunno, I've never gotten one using the cyanogen roms Jul 22 19:29:46 I'm surprised you'd get ota updates if you don't have their public key on your phone Jul 22 19:30:14 it was not disabled i think Jul 22 19:30:18 on this version Jul 22 19:30:33 i get system update notice every few minutes and it's anoy Jul 22 19:30:46 noahdroid: it downloaded them but cannot install them, since the keys don't fit, JesusFreke talks about it on his blog Jul 22 19:30:59 tech9iner: That is a lot of info. Jul 22 19:31:01 http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/07/19/otas-in-jfv1-51/ Jul 22 19:31:24 do you still get constant popups about the failure to install or does it shut up once you download? Jul 22 19:31:38 no it won't install Jul 22 19:31:54 that's probably goot Jul 22 19:31:56 good Jul 22 19:32:00 lol Jul 22 19:32:10 yes it is good i dont want my phone un rooted Jul 22 19:32:26 but still if i could find out the services that updates it i could change the file name and it would probably stop it Jul 22 19:32:42 I looked at the ota patches and I don't see anything that modifies the spl Jul 22 19:32:48 twois10: you've all but talked me out of flashing jacheroski now... I can't decide whether to procede or just forget about it Jul 22 19:32:51 so at worst you'd have to fastboot to get root back Jul 22 19:33:11 yeah Jul 22 19:33:12 lol@ itsrumsey, sorry about that Jul 22 19:33:17 it's not a big deal just very anoying Jul 22 19:33:37 itsrumsey: i would say do flash it so you can get your own experience Jul 22 19:33:44 twois10: yeah i've got everything backed up, it'd just be a matter of flashing the rom now... Jul 22 19:34:14 mmmm... you're right, i havent ever seen a hero rom yet. besides i can always nandroid back in a minute if i have to. Jul 22 19:34:36 itsrumsey: tell you the truth, you will miss jackhero after installing it and going back to regular cupcake Jul 22 19:34:48 i've ran a hero rom on my g1 Jul 22 19:35:04 so much rom talk for open sores. Jul 22 19:35:14 that'll be interesting to see, cause I've never really cared about using the Hero UI, I just want to see what the perfomance is like now that they've been making the roms for some tiem :) Jul 22 19:35:33 sense ui seemed unbearably slow on the g1 Jul 22 19:35:38 I gave up, it wasn't worth it even for the flash player Jul 22 19:35:49 I think the hardware just isn't up to it Jul 22 19:36:13 if you disable sense, it works fine but then you're giving up most of the reason to use hero in the first place Jul 22 19:36:21 noahdroid: Which is pretty sad. Jul 22 19:36:34 This thing is running, what 500mhz? or more Jul 22 19:36:45 http://android-os.net/2009/07/03/hero-rom-on-g1/ Jul 22 19:36:46 well, I suspect it's more a memory problem Jul 22 19:36:51 give me a g1 with double battery, more cpu and double the screen res Jul 22 19:37:01 then i will buy one :p Jul 22 19:37:01 Do you know the games I played on my old 386sz 25mhz machine?? Jul 22 19:37:20 bparker06: Nokia makes something like that.. Jul 22 19:37:25 well g1 has 534 mgz Jul 22 19:37:26 not bad Jul 22 19:37:26 otherwise im not moving away from .jp phones lol Jul 22 19:37:27 bparker06: that doesn't sound likea g1 at all Jul 22 19:38:03 what is the adb command to see how much space i reserved for swap, i want to set it correctly in userinit.sh instead of using the default 32mb Jul 22 19:38:07 Refuge: The idea that there's less CPU in a Super Nintendo and look what it can do.... Jul 22 19:38:10 It's sad. Jul 22 19:38:23 but snes cant multitask Jul 22 19:38:31 Granted SNES is a specific task. Jul 22 19:38:33 it has no context switching Jul 22 19:38:38 thus very fast Jul 22 19:38:50 I'm fairly sure the main problem with hero on g1 is lack of ram Jul 22 19:38:50 bparker06: yeah? My 25Mhz machine could multitask using Desqview jsut fine. Jul 22 19:39:04 hmm.. under CyanogenMod v3.6.8.1 ... noticed '''APPS: MyFaves: N ''' Jul 22 19:39:19 it was sluggish because everything kept restarting. If you had no swap, pretty soon programs would just crash whenever you ran them Jul 22 19:39:19 does that mean his rom doesnt support myfaves? Jul 22 19:39:20 MyFaves.. bleh.. Jul 22 19:39:26 If I could solder on more ram, i would :p Jul 22 19:39:33 noahdroid: Yeah, swap 'til ya drop Jul 22 19:39:34 and it could do it without killing apps for no reason, so its already better than android lol Jul 22 19:39:39 when it first boots it's not bad. I think the cpu is fine Jul 22 19:40:03 that is the single biggest reason i just cant have a g1 Jul 22 19:40:06 the UI also makes tradeoffs with cpu load Jul 22 19:40:10 noahdroid: can any of that be mitigated with task manager? Jul 22 19:40:10 I also think there's 'sleep' issues with some apps. Jul 22 19:40:14 actually the g1's cpu is twice as fast as the arm dev board I use at work for porting Jul 22 19:40:20 i want my apps to actually run Jul 22 19:40:24 maybe I should move my builds onto my phone :-) Jul 22 19:40:26 bparker06: what do you mean "better than android"? i mean, the Hero runs Android, so.... Jul 22 19:40:41 oh, the SNES you mean? heh. Jul 22 19:40:48 (no, I use a cross compiler most of the time) Jul 22 19:40:53 or the 386 Jul 22 19:40:55 if you only ran one app on an Android device, you wouldn't have tha problem either :) Jul 22 19:41:10 you cant only run one Jul 22 19:41:18 system already runs a lot Jul 22 19:41:26 without user apps Jul 22 19:41:50 OTOH you could put linux on your SNES and fire up X and see how well it does :) Jul 22 19:41:55 the main reason i want to test Hero is the flash, but I hear its pretty abysmal Jul 22 19:41:59 apples and oranges comparisons, my friend. Jul 22 19:42:02 the only thing that works are flash ads, supposedly :) Jul 22 19:42:09 flash worked, but not great Jul 22 19:42:10 lol Jul 22 19:42:41 I was looking through the Hero review roundup, and a couple reviewers mentioned not even youtube worked Jul 22 19:43:01 The flash on Hero if Flash Lite, not the full flash Jul 22 19:43:19 not much more than banner ads will work in it Jul 22 19:43:39 actually I was kinda hoping that the dearth of flash on mobile devices would be a disincentive for people to use flash all the damned time Jul 22 19:43:41 exactly what I need, more ads on the g1 Jul 22 19:43:48 flash is great for games. Horrible for ui, and annoying as f*ck for ads Jul 22 19:44:04 it's also a crappy movie format Jul 22 19:44:06 Flash is hardly "horrible for UI" Jul 22 19:44:11 Have you even seen any of the recent Flex apps? Jul 22 19:44:13 I think flash has one good use, video. I just wish it wasn't the primary online video format. Jul 22 19:44:22 I mean in place of regular web ui Jul 22 19:44:55 I dunno man.. The Future Crew did more with less than what's going on with Android and it's 500+Mhz CPU Jul 22 19:45:14 what is "it" in that sentence? Jul 22 19:45:21 demo scene wasn't encumbered by a JVM and java. Jul 22 19:45:34 * ctate has no idea what the Hero's cpu is running at, but the Dream and Sapphire devices don't run anywhere close to 500 MHz. Jul 22 19:45:35 write ARM asm and mebbe you'll get better results. ;) Jul 22 19:45:45 grey-: Processing! Jul 22 19:45:46 check out buzzword.com and then compare it to google documents if you want to compare what can be done in a Flash UI versus a "normal web UI" Jul 22 19:45:54 it's demo k0ding for java! Jul 22 19:45:59 ctate: *headdesk* yes... more API of slow. Jul 22 19:46:14 have you looked at real contemporary demos? Jul 22 19:46:23 they make things like processing look like the kids toy it is. Jul 22 19:46:35 oh yeah. i have friends in the indie-pro game scene. Jul 22 19:46:56 if you want fast gfx these days it's all about the gpu coding. Jul 22 19:47:07 take a look at Braid, actually. Jul 22 19:47:10 but the 'roid has some sorta gpu stuff, I think. Jul 22 19:47:11 technically it's phenomenal Jul 22 19:47:44 (and is a fantastic game to boot) Jul 22 19:47:52 http://demoscene.tv/page.php?id=172&lang=uk&vsmaction=view_prod&id_prod=13015 and that's two years old. Jul 22 19:47:58 twois10: i flashed the new SPL and now cyanogen won't boot, plain awesome. Jul 22 19:48:14 can't run it in an emu; vmware doesn't have good enough gpu support still. ;-/ Jul 22 19:48:29 The Hero clearly has a multitouch browser demonstrated in the adobe video: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/articles/htchero.html and I'm surprised that its MT capabilities hasn't been talked about more Jul 22 19:48:54 itsrumsey: do a wipe Jul 22 19:49:30 andromeda was kicking ass on the amiga though; they've been at it for almost two decades. Jul 22 19:49:41 RyeBrye: by who? it was mentioned in all the Hero reviews i read Jul 22 19:49:48 how do you change the google account linked to your phone? Jul 22 19:49:48 cyanogen included the multitouch stuff in his roms, but I end up using Steel most of the time Jul 22 19:49:53 (which doesn't have mt) Jul 22 19:50:13 noahdroid: yeah i can not use steel because of the no multitouch thing Jul 22 19:50:18 steel's zooming is horrid Jul 22 19:50:22 im always accidentally activating it Jul 22 19:50:38 it bites me every so often too. one thing I did was to disable zoom on links and that helped Jul 22 19:50:52 have you use webdroid at all? Jul 22 19:50:56 i'm considering trying it Jul 22 19:50:57 daniel2: you wipe data and re-provision it. Jul 22 19:51:01 no, I don't know about it Jul 22 19:51:01 grey-: But you know what I'm getting at. :P Jul 22 19:51:06 ... Jul 22 19:51:16 grey-: and I understand a lot of that was all really low level stuff. Jul 22 19:51:18 Thats seriously the only way? Jul 22 19:51:22 Direct manipulation of hardware. Jul 22 19:51:33 noahdroid: tabbed browsing, here are some SS http://www.lefutura.com/android/webdroid/ Jul 22 19:51:47 basically, yeah. on a Google Experience device the google account linkage is pretty fundamental. Jul 22 19:51:49 iCEBrkr: computers are symbolic representational devices; but each time there's a symbolic abstraction, there's a performance hit. Jul 22 19:51:59 itsrumsey: did you flash dangerspl? Jul 22 19:52:19 I'm not sure which SPL I flashed, but even a wipe didn't get the phone booting again Jul 22 19:52:21 grey-: of course. Jul 22 19:52:23 so, that sucks. Jul 22 19:52:33 ctate: You know what you should do? Hack up Google Apps to let me link an existing Google account. That's tooootally your dept, right? :p Jul 22 19:52:47 noahdroid: flashed the SPL here http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/ Jul 22 19:53:10 yeah, that's "danger" spl because people were bricking their phones with it by flashing to the wrong hardware Jul 22 19:53:16 ahhh Jul 22 19:53:19 also, the amiga had a great video coprocessor for its day. ;) Jul 22 19:53:22 its okay for g1, right? Jul 22 19:53:30 well, I think it depends on which revision of the board you have Jul 22 19:53:44 My recovery and SPL still work, so I'm not bricked yet Jul 22 19:53:46 DVT vs. PVT (I don't know what those stand for). that spl only works with PVT boards Jul 22 19:53:47 but I am annoyed. Jul 22 19:53:51 oh, ok Jul 22 19:53:55 then you can definitely recover Jul 22 19:54:14 my board is PVT Jul 22 19:54:32 Is it possible that cyanogen 3.6.8.1 is not compatible with the SPL? that'd be strange Jul 22 19:54:33 iCEBrkr: anyway, never underestimate performance hits of non-native code. ;) Jul 22 19:54:34 I just switched to it last night. I made a nandroid backup, wiped, installed the cyanogen update, let it install, then did a nandroid restore over the fresh update Jul 22 19:54:43 I'm back up with no problems at all Jul 22 19:54:51 no, I'm on 3.6.8.1 Jul 22 19:54:54 interesting... let me try my nand restore now and see what happens Jul 22 19:55:04 iCEBrkr: I can bring my 2.4Ghz core2duo to its knees with E-UAE and a spaceballs demo which ran flawlessly on a 7Mhz amiga 500. Jul 22 19:55:28 ha Jul 22 19:55:39 on a 7 MHz amiga with three custom coprocessors running flat out :) Jul 22 19:55:46 true. Jul 22 19:55:47 This will be the first time I've got to use cyans nand rstore so.. neat. Jul 22 19:56:01 "error performing restore!" haha, great. Jul 22 19:56:03 amiga hardware was way ahead of its time, and demo coders maxed it. Jul 22 19:56:04 (and on current Android hardware, the mem bus speed is actually a huge limiting factor) Jul 22 19:56:05 it worked flawlessly for me, but I backed up my sd card first :) Jul 22 19:56:16 ctate: hmm, what's the memory bus speed? Jul 22 19:56:20 romainguy: ping Jul 22 19:56:23 think "cocktail straw" Jul 22 19:56:27 *nod* Jul 22 19:56:34 I haven't looked at the speed though. Jul 22 19:56:36 yeah i backed up everything before this Jul 22 19:56:55 this is just one annoyance after another Jul 22 19:56:55 people just talk about cpu speeds, not memory on it. Jul 22 19:57:01 how hella slow is it? Jul 22 19:57:18 the only thing I can suggest is to drop to the console and run the restore by hand Jul 22 19:57:37 I don't remember the syntax offhand but I read through the restore-mobile.sh script and it looked comprehensible Jul 22 19:57:40 it's why upclocking the dream by 30% shows almost no real-world speed improvement. Jul 22 19:57:42 I guess regardless, add in a jvm which is a vm for something that's not ARM (or anything real), and an interpreted language... more things to slow down code. ;-/ Jul 22 19:57:44 that slow. Jul 22 19:57:48 ctate: ick. Jul 22 19:57:54 ctate: that's all in the MSM though? Jul 22 19:57:59 not much to be done about it presumably. Jul 22 19:58:09 it's a design feature of the particular msm7k part that's used in those devices. Jul 22 19:58:29 other SoCs have much better bus performance etc. Jul 22 19:58:40 (including even later msm7k-series SoCs) Jul 22 19:58:47 noahdroid: yeah im trying it from console now, but the crappy nandroid folder names are not making it a cakewalk Jul 22 19:58:53 they are like 12 random characters Jul 22 19:58:57 heh Jul 22 19:59:03 that's your phone's serial number I think Jul 22 19:59:08 ctate: well that's good for the future. :) Jul 22 19:59:17 ctate: also good that android is working on x86 stuff too. Jul 22 19:59:31 ctate: maybe less so for handsets, but at least there you can get faster memoriez... Jul 22 19:59:59 mmmhm Jul 22 20:00:12 yeah i think so Jul 22 20:00:58 whats the adb command to print the partitions? Jul 22 20:01:20 the phone's "serial number" is its IMEI, which is typically a 15-digit number or thereabouts Jul 22 20:01:38 twobytes: df isn't it? Jul 22 20:01:43 (from the shell) Jul 22 20:01:51 grey-: I dunno.. It just seems rather ridiculous with the CPU speeds of todays mobile devices that our old school 7-16Mhz machines surely did a lot more. Jul 22 20:02:01 they didn't Jul 22 20:02:05 grey-: and yes. Amiga was about 10yrs ahead of it's time. Jul 22 20:02:38 if you wrote to the metal on a G1 the way that SNES games write to the metal, you could do incredible stuff with it Jul 22 20:02:51 at the cost of, you know, not running anything but your one custom app. Jul 22 20:03:13 mk itsrumsey .. ic cyan has 3 diff roms.. which one is stablest etc ? Jul 22 20:03:15 noahdroid: from console: restore path: /path/ error:unable to mount /system, aborting Jul 22 20:03:31 ctate: the demoscene way. ;) Jul 22 20:03:38 right :) Jul 22 20:03:53 jettison the OS! Check out these copper bars! Jul 22 20:03:59 a G1 demo scene would be pretty hip, IMO Jul 22 20:04:03 agreed. Jul 22 20:04:05 itsrumsey: cupcake rogers?.. or cupcake google source? Jul 22 20:04:13 flash => reboot => SHINY Jul 22 20:04:14 NDK stuff would be the way to go tho. Jul 22 20:04:23 itsrumsey: which one is stable and closest to jf's cupcake? Jul 22 20:04:32 ohh, that approach would work too I guess. Jul 22 20:04:34 grey-: nah, for the real deal you'd ditch Android on it entirely :) Jul 22 20:04:35 tech9iner you should have just went to the link I sent instead of browing 100 roms :) Jul 22 20:04:42 unix/linux have never had a demoscene worth looking at. Jul 22 20:04:56 they've never had decent graphics/audio Jul 22 20:04:57 itsrumsey: lol.. true datt .. forgot your link.. tx Jul 22 20:04:58 I've seen better c64 demos in the past 5 years than anything I've ever seen in a *nix world. Jul 22 20:04:59 lmao.. Jul 22 20:05:18 in general the linux a/v world is a clusterfsck Jul 22 20:05:33 and i don't mean beowulf Jul 22 20:05:48 yes Jul 22 20:06:08 demo scenes tend to be interested in low-level stuff anyway Jul 22 20:06:16 Linux doesn't provide much low-level access Jul 22 20:06:23 well these days lotsa newer demos cheat Jul 22 20:06:31 well sure Jul 22 20:06:34 using directx api's or opengl or whatever Jul 22 20:06:39 noahdroid: any ideas? I also got this error trying to mount system "mounting /dev/block/mtdblock3 on /system failed: invalid arugment" Jul 22 20:06:40 crazy C for gpu stuff. Jul 22 20:06:53 but yeah... at least they have real API's to use. Jul 22 20:06:55 X? Jul 22 20:06:57 imo crazy shader tricks definitely count Jul 22 20:07:01 *stabs eyes out* Jul 22 20:07:03 heh Jul 22 20:07:06 *eyespork* Jul 22 20:07:10 that was a dumb design in the 80's. Jul 22 20:07:14 and we're still dealing with it. Jul 22 20:07:14 uhm Jul 22 20:07:23 X is perfectly fine for what it is :/ Jul 22 20:07:34 I think NaCl might give rise to more demoscene stuff. Jul 22 20:07:40 x86 code in browser. ;) Jul 22 20:07:42 salt? o_O Jul 22 20:07:56 ctate: speaking of which, check out the 4k demo elevated here; http://rgba.org/webpages/prods.php?museo=0#51 Jul 22 20:07:59 http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/ Jul 22 20:08:04 x86 code in browser... sounds like ActiveX to me Jul 22 20:08:07 anyone have any comments on this book? http://bit.ly/gNSJA Jul 22 20:08:29 zinx: YUP Jul 22 20:08:37 (04:11) < grey-> jettison the OS! Check out these copper bars! Jul 22 20:08:42 hahahaha awesome Jul 22 20:08:44 zinx: http://www.matasano.com/log/1674/the-security-implications-of-google-native-client/ Jul 22 20:08:54 i don't see native client going anywhere, to be quite honest Jul 22 20:09:03 *shrug* we'll see. Jul 22 20:09:06 ChromeOS Jul 22 20:09:07 if nothing else, because it can't easily run on my [amd64] machine :P Jul 22 20:09:08 NaCl Jul 22 20:09:14 or my phone Jul 22 20:09:16 skynet. Jul 22 20:09:18 or countless other devices :P Jul 22 20:09:30 if you don't run it, you'll be terminated. Jul 22 20:09:40 you're welcome to try Jul 22 20:09:48 romainguy_: algorithmic landscape + textures? Jul 22 20:09:57 zinx conner! Jul 22 20:10:00 i should warn that i have a pretty strong survival instinct :P Jul 22 20:10:03 ctate: just a mesh of quads + vertex shaders, no textures Jul 22 20:10:13 no bitmap textures, yeah Jul 22 20:10:20 no textures period Jul 22 20:10:25 apparently he used only geometry and colors Jul 22 20:10:30 well, shaders sort of count Jul 22 20:10:34 they're a way of applyign color to pixels Jul 22 20:10:38 but not pixel shaders Jul 22 20:10:49 voxels maybe? Jul 22 20:10:52 no? Jul 22 20:10:56 oh, vertex Jul 22 20:10:58 okay, sure Jul 22 20:11:04 voxels. Jul 22 20:11:07 all about voxels you guys. Jul 22 20:11:47 is compcache better than using the swap partition? Jul 22 20:12:40 twois10: did you have any issues going to the new spl? Jul 22 20:12:41 i didn't look at the demo, but just saw you say "no bitmap textures" Jul 22 20:13:08 itsrumsey: nope, i installed it when it was released Jul 22 20:13:09 itsrumsey: after you flashed the spl, did you re-flash cyanogen? Jul 22 20:13:24 damn.. any mates have a faster mirror for cyans rom than http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/update-cm-3.6.8.1-signed.zip please?.. coming down dog slow .. 8-25kbps.. Jul 22 20:13:28 the new spl changes the partition sizes, so the filesystems have to be rebuilt Jul 22 20:13:41 Hey Jul 22 20:13:44 noahdroid: No I still haven't had the chance, the issue is cyan is on the card but I need to rename the file and have no card reader handy Jul 22 20:13:49 i figured nand restore would work :\ Jul 22 20:13:51 oh Jul 22 20:13:54 itsrumsey: what noahdroid said Jul 22 20:13:55 Is there a way to figure out what ver SPL is installed?? Jul 22 20:14:00 well, drop into the console and use mv there Jul 22 20:14:03 you can mount /sdcard Jul 22 20:14:14 itsrumsey: you cant use the restore Jul 22 20:14:18 tech9iner, i can put it in my dropbox Jul 22 20:14:20 so it repartitions /system? Jul 22 20:14:25 that explains why i cant mount it properly Jul 22 20:14:26 itsrumsey: yeah Jul 22 20:14:46 iCEBrkr: if you reboot into the bootloader, doesn't it tell you what version is installed? Jul 22 20:14:47 tech9iner, http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1143608/update-cm-3.6.8.1-signed.zip Jul 22 20:14:48 good idea noahdroid, i'll try that Jul 22 20:14:48 spaztik: anythings better than 30-45 mins for 45megs mate.. if so inclined appreciated ;]] Jul 22 20:14:56 done ;) Jul 22 20:15:01 spaztik: tx muchly.. Jul 22 20:15:10 anyone have an opinion on compcache vs swap partition Jul 22 20:15:10 ctate: that's different from recovery console?? Jul 22 20:15:27 yes, it's different Jul 22 20:15:31 oh, you said SPL, and usually people mean the bootloader when they say that here Jul 22 20:15:32 twois10: i'll be looking in to it after i fix my phone, but can't you use both? Jul 22 20:15:47 (nobody on the Android project uses the term "SPL") Jul 22 20:15:55 I'm famliar with holding HOME+POWER to get to the recovery console/mode.. Jul 22 20:16:02 But I don't know how to tell what SPL ver I have. Jul 22 20:16:04 well cyanogen does not enable swap by default Jul 22 20:16:15 camera takes you to the boot loader Jul 22 20:16:18 compcache is a good idea Jul 22 20:16:24 spaztik: ahhh Jul 22 20:16:31 BACK also takes you to the bootloader Jul 22 20:16:51 twois10: oh right right, you are going to cupcake. Doesn jacheroski use compcache and swap by default? Jul 22 20:16:59 That doesn't tell me anything :( Jul 22 20:17:02 anyone have any comments on this book? http://bit.ly/gNSJA want to read somethin while on the crapper Jul 22 20:17:03 Just radio ver Jul 22 20:17:09 spaztik: over 2x faster.. thanks Jul 22 20:17:18 itsrumsey, none use compcache by default Jul 22 20:17:18 I don't think both is advised, because you can't assign priorities to which kind of swap gets used Jul 22 20:17:26 itsrumsey: jackhero has swap by default Jul 22 20:17:31 and no i wouldn't not attempt to use both Jul 22 20:17:41 then I would also like to know the advantages of either Jul 22 20:17:47 it anything, use backing store for compcache for non-compressible pages but I don't bother with that either Jul 22 20:17:56 itsrumsey, compcache runs in memory, and compresses what it can Jul 22 20:18:11 ciao4now ya .. ya.. grubby buncha sods ya.. thanks for the fresh diapers ;]].. hopefully return via cyanogen's rom mower waders.. *more laters.. ;]] Jul 22 20:18:13 swap writes to disk (ie, sdcard) Jul 22 20:18:16 the theory behind compcache is that you can compress pages, and uncompress them way faster than retrieving data off nand Jul 22 20:18:22 way, way, way faster Jul 22 20:18:32 i've noticed probably a 25% increase in speed Jul 22 20:18:43 but then again i was never hitting swap Jul 22 20:18:48 with swappiness of 10 Jul 22 20:19:12 at some point I need to study how swappiness and vfs_cache_pressure interact Jul 22 20:19:23 I have a swappiness of 60 right now and I'm seeing a "GoodCompress" of 76% Jul 22 20:19:25 I will leave the 128mb swap space for now Jul 22 20:19:49 RyeBrye, yeah same... when iw as running actual swap, i did swappiness at 10 to not destroy my card.. but it also never hit it Jul 22 20:19:55 no point in swapping if it's not necessary Jul 22 20:20:41 I'm using 20 swappiness and it's been pretty responsive Jul 22 20:20:43 60 was horrible Jul 22 20:21:06 i am using 60 Jul 22 20:21:13 60 with compcache? Jul 22 20:21:17 yes Jul 22 20:21:19 yea Jul 22 20:22:02 I haven't been running it long enough to experience slowdowns. so far 60 feels good... but after running JAC Hero build and switching to a cyanogen build I think it would take a LOT for me to notice slowness Jul 22 20:22:10 heh Jul 22 20:22:12 Hero on the Dream could best be summed up: "Loading..." Jul 22 20:22:20 disksize_kb=132072 Jul 22 20:22:27 jsdafjkldsa i found a sd card reader so i tried ot use it on a laptop, but it saying the card isnt formatted. i suppose its possible this laptop does not support SDHC but thats unlikely Jul 22 20:22:28 yow Jul 22 20:22:46 I wouldn't use more than about 32mb of any kind of backing store. your phone will just thrash itself senseless if you were really using that much swap Jul 22 20:23:15 lol Jul 22 20:23:26 i will reduce it to 64mb Jul 22 20:24:23 itsrumsey: but you can read it on the phone? Jul 22 20:25:18 i change it from 128mb to 64mb and changed the swapiness to 32 from 60 Jul 22 20:25:19 sometimes if the contacts are greasy from fingerprints, etc. some readers have trouble with those cards Jul 22 20:25:30 we'll see Jul 22 20:25:32 1 sec Jul 22 20:25:34 I've heard that rubbing it with a pencil eraser hlps Jul 22 20:26:17 I use an art eraser on things like watch parts, works great Jul 22 20:26:44 interesting Jul 22 20:26:51 fresh pizza ♨ Jul 22 20:27:26 kRutOn: speaking of fresh, local terminal support ++ Jul 22 20:27:33 kRutOn: that shit is awesome. Jul 22 20:27:35 kRutOn: looks like the java logo Jul 22 20:27:44 (it's *really* small though) Jul 22 20:27:57 kRutOn: where'd you get that char? Jul 22 20:28:00 Qwell: Yeah, I just thought of pizza. Jul 22 20:28:28 ctate: I wrote Unicode extensions for this MUD-like platform (MOO) so we always joke around with random Unicode. Jul 22 20:28:38 ha, cute Jul 22 20:28:44 Actually, hpa wrote the UCD library. Jul 22 20:29:00 noahdroid: /sdcard shows nothing from console, do I need to mount it first? Jul 22 20:29:32 kRutOn: is there anything hpa hasn't had his hands in? Jul 22 20:29:40 ctate: But the Unicode character is U+2688 HOT SPRINGS Jul 22 20:29:42 er, 2668 Jul 22 20:29:48 ha ha Jul 22 20:29:54 tmzt: u around? Jul 22 20:30:00 Qwell: hpa is quite a genius imho Jul 22 20:30:00 itsrumsey: i think with the new spl, you have to do a clean install Jul 22 20:30:01 * ctate <3 unicode Jul 22 20:30:09 kRutOn: Do you use jabber via pidgin? Try U+F8EB some time. /nick it :p Jul 22 20:30:19 twois10: the problem is i have no sdcard reader that is working Jul 22 20:30:20 the results are hilarious Jul 22 20:30:28 Qwell: No, I wrote an XMPP s2s implementation for MOO, too, though.. Jul 22 20:30:36 should i talk to htc or google if i want a source code for a kernel? Jul 22 20:30:38 that's...yeah Jul 22 20:30:43 and yes he is Jul 22 20:30:45 itsrumsey: so you cant move the rom into the sdcard? Jul 22 20:30:45 whats the command to mount the sdcard from console? anyone? noahdroid? Jul 22 20:30:50 k4r1m: erm, why not just download it? Jul 22 20:31:05 twois10: correct, its on the card but i need to rename it, and I need to know how to mount /sd from console Jul 22 20:31:08 ctate, perhaps by "talk" he meant SYN/ACK :) Jul 22 20:31:12 JesusFreke u there? Jul 22 20:31:12 * ctate thought the Google-originated kernel sources were all on kernel.org anyway... Jul 22 20:31:14 in which case, yes Jul 22 20:31:19 anyone else live in the DFW? Jul 22 20:31:23 no Jul 22 20:31:24 itsrumsey: do you have adb installed? Jul 22 20:31:30 yo Jul 22 20:31:37 i need some help lol Jul 22 20:31:50 dont have the SDK on this work pc Jul 22 20:31:54 which school is better? UTA, UTD, or UNT? Jul 22 20:31:54 I can't help. I"m not here. This is just your imagination Jul 22 20:32:03 i hope my imagination can help me then Jul 22 20:32:07 if i just knew the command to mount /sd from console im pretty sure i could fix it Jul 22 20:32:07 ctate: the kernel for 32A magics has not been released to the public. Jul 22 20:32:09 I'm not familiar with any of them, sorry Jul 22 20:32:12 WTF Jul 22 20:32:15 yeah u are Jul 22 20:32:18 itsrumsey: make sure adb is working, makes things easier Jul 22 20:32:21 ctate: jbq rearranged the kernel stuff recently, but I didn't look to see what he did. Jul 22 20:32:23 k4r1m: from which carrier? Jul 22 20:32:24 does anyone here have a samsung galaxy yet? Jul 22 20:32:34 I grew up and went to college around tulsa. sorry Jul 22 20:32:36 oh yeah, the sources might just not have made it out yet Jul 22 20:32:38 oh Jul 22 20:32:44 :\ Jul 22 20:32:50 ctate: all of them... all of the carriers who provide 32A magic. Jul 22 20:32:51 plus i am not certain google produced all of the various kernels in various products Jul 22 20:32:56 itsrumsey: from the recovery console you *should* just be able to type "mount /sdcard" Jul 22 20:33:01 hence thats why we don't have tethering on 32A Jul 22 20:33:02 ctate, how long does it take to make code public? what's the process that it has to go through? Jul 22 20:33:05 let me try that Jul 22 20:33:06 * ctate has never heard the term "32A Magic" so doesn't know what that means Jul 22 20:33:08 there's an fstab on there already to make it easier Jul 22 20:33:24 KNY: jbq's been explaining that a bit on the lists Jul 22 20:33:28 otherwise: mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 /sdcard Jul 22 20:33:31 noahdroid: lol yeah it was that easy Jul 22 20:33:34 NOBODY here has a galaxy? wth?! Jul 22 20:33:40 i thought we were all android lovahz Jul 22 20:33:41 ctate, I'll go poke around. Which list? Jul 22 20:33:47 ctate: 32A is just the board.. there is two rev of magic 32A which htc branded and 32B which is google branded Jul 22 20:34:04 KNY: android-platform Jul 22 20:34:07 the 32B has 192MB RAM, right? Jul 22 20:34:11 ctate, thanks Jul 22 20:34:16 32B tend to work with the dream kernels since they have the same specs like ram and cpu Jul 22 20:34:18 k4r1m: only two? huh. Jul 22 20:34:21 KNY: yes, the 32A has 288 Jul 22 20:34:27 yes Jul 22 20:34:30 noahdroid: i'm a linux noob, how to you cd to a directory with a space in the name? Jul 22 20:34:31 i figured there were at least three. Jul 22 20:34:40 nope just 2 Jul 22 20:34:42 itsrumsey, cd "foo bar" Jul 22 20:34:45 cd "/sdcard/path to directory" Jul 22 20:34:47 k Jul 22 20:34:50 itsrumsey, or cd foo\ bar Jul 22 20:34:52 k4r1m: so which does the mytouch have? Jul 22 20:34:57 32B Jul 22 20:34:58 b Jul 22 20:35:05 so the mytouch is quad band? Jul 22 20:35:09 of course? Jul 22 20:35:12 they pussed out on the RAM which is super lame Jul 22 20:35:19 i haven't seen a non-quadband smartphone in ages Jul 22 20:35:26 but an unhacked spl Jul 22 20:35:27 the Dream isn't Jul 22 20:35:28 so who should i contact? Jul 22 20:35:31 the Vodafone Magic isn't Jul 22 20:35:33 etc Jul 22 20:35:37 ctate: yes it is Jul 22 20:35:46 k4r1m: you might ask on android-porting Jul 22 20:35:51 ctate: quadband refers to GSM, not WCDMA Jul 22 20:35:51 * KNY thinks we've had this debate before Jul 22 20:35:51 quad-band 2G, but only dual-band 3G. Jul 22 20:35:58 right Jul 22 20:36:01 whats the delete command, rm? Jul 22 20:36:02 oh ah Jul 22 20:36:03 there you go Jul 22 20:36:07 :P Jul 22 20:36:10 yes Jul 22 20:36:18 i was thinking specifically about how the Vodafone HTC Magic can't do TMUS 3G Jul 22 20:36:24 even if you flash a mytouch build on it Jul 22 20:36:32 ctate: magic developers have been trying to work port/rebuild kernels but with no luck with so ever... htc has done something weird. Jul 22 20:36:36 yep, we had that problem with the raphael back in the day Jul 22 20:36:37 probably what you want to do now is: cp update-cm-3.6.8.2-signed.zip /sdcard/update.zip Jul 22 20:36:47 (need at least quad-band to work on all frequencies in Europe + AT&T - style, and there's a 5th band floating around) Jul 22 20:36:48 k4r1m: like i said, HTC might have built their own kernels for some devices Jul 22 20:37:14 alright ill give them a few emails a week and see how that goes Jul 22 20:37:14 itsrumsey: btw the shell in recovery console lets you use tab (alt-q) for filename completion Jul 22 20:37:18 HTC definitely has their own kernels some some of the devices, and Google wasn't involved in those and we don't have the sources. Jul 22 20:37:20 yeah jbq t-mo decided to be stupid with those 1700/2100aws frequencies Jul 22 20:37:25 noahdroid: latest full i had was 3.6, did "rm update.zip, cp /sdcard/phone modding/cm-1.3.6 /sdcard/update.zip" Jul 22 20:37:32 it would've been much easier to just make it 2100mhz like europe, but nooooo Jul 22 20:37:37 ok, that should do it Jul 22 20:37:39 TommyBres: blame the Army Jul 22 20:37:42 ctate: aren't they forced to release the sourve then? Jul 22 20:37:45 TommyBres: until recently EU regulations prevented them from re-using their 2G frequencies. Jul 22 20:37:47 now run "recovery" Jul 22 20:37:50 it's easier to blame t-mobile Jul 22 20:37:59 yeah now its installed Jul 22 20:38:00 :) Jul 22 20:38:01 blunden: that is a good question. i am not in any way a copyright / IP / GPL lawyer. Jul 22 20:38:01 installing* Jul 22 20:38:04 source* Jul 22 20:38:09 did a wipe, but cms first boot takes like 10 minutes Jul 22 20:38:09 cool Jul 22 20:38:18 let it boot once.. yeah Jul 22 20:38:19 2100 is by very far the most common band for 3G GSM. Everything else can be considered "exotic". Jul 22 20:38:20 so after this i should be able to nand restore? Jul 22 20:38:26 after it boots, then reboot it again and do your nand restore Jul 22 20:38:31 cool Jul 22 20:38:35 jbq: 2100mhz in europe, 900mhz in asia i believe Jul 22 20:38:40 and 850/1900 for northamerica Jul 22 20:38:51 If i would have known /system was going to get messed up before hand I would have put the jachero rom on the sdcard : Jul 22 20:38:55 :\ Jul 22 20:38:55 (rawjiz and ayteentee) Jul 22 20:39:06 heh Jul 22 20:39:09 north america has always been the bastard laggard of cellphone tech, though. using them as an exemplar is not really appropriate :) Jul 22 20:39:21 I ran jachero for a while but without senseui it just didn't seem worth it Jul 22 20:39:33 Well, I can understand why AT&T did it - they had enough spectrum in those bands to do it. Jul 22 20:39:36 I was like "oh i'll just flash this spl real quick and boot back in to my image and move on with life". that didn't happen. Jul 22 20:39:37 and with senseui, it was intolerably slow Jul 22 20:39:57 noahdroid: did you use compcache or swap? Jul 22 20:39:57 blunden: yeah they have to. kernel is gpl Jul 22 20:40:05 i'm PRAYING that companies get smart when their 4G networks come out, but i doubt it Jul 22 20:40:13 wouldn't it be nice to have like, 900mhz all around the world for 4G? Jul 22 20:40:14 this is mostly for testing purposes, want to see the speed then I'll probably nand restore Jul 22 20:40:20 TommyBres: blame the Army. i'm serious. Jul 22 20:40:35 i emailed htc about the rogers kernel and they blamed google, but the person i talked to was probably clueless Jul 22 20:40:37 in the US, most bandwidth allocation problems ultimate arise from the military's owning everything to some degree. Jul 22 20:40:38 TommyBres: we got 4g all over the place up here Jul 22 20:40:39 ctate: i have no one in the army to yell at, but i know jasta and he's part of t-mobile, so i blame them Jul 22 20:40:54 jello Jul 22 20:41:12 jello? wtf lol Jul 22 20:41:13 ctate: gelatin, please Jul 22 20:41:15 cyanogen: really? i just talked one on the phone it took him 15 mins to figure out what i was talking about but he just told me send us an email Jul 22 20:41:22 or Jello(tm) Jul 22 20:41:36 cyanogen is in here? :O Jul 22 20:41:42 tsk tsk TommyBres. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jello_Biafra Jul 22 20:41:43 * TommyBres praises Jul 22 20:41:44 I'm experimenting with compcache. if you want my userinit.sh, http://www.splode.com/userinit.sh Jul 22 20:41:46 cyanogen: what did you say in your email? Jul 22 20:42:13 noahdroid: are you testing with it in Hero or are you just using it in 1.5ota? Jul 22 20:42:18 i'd have to dig them up, but i specifically mentioned the options enabled on the rogers kernel and asked why they weren't available under the gpl Jul 22 20:42:20 itsrumsey: btw it helps to have a 2nd phone one is willing to flash totally unstable roms on :-) Jul 22 20:42:22 k4r1m: you got 4G? are you sure it even exists already? Jul 22 20:42:28 * TommyBres did the compcache thing as well... Jul 22 20:42:40 still don't know truly what it's doing, but if it's the cool thing to do, let's go. Jul 22 20:42:42 sipa1024: yeah.. im in canada. we got it here but no one uses it Jul 22 20:42:52 noahdroid: yeah got bored at work and figured this would only take 10 mins to play with Jul 22 20:43:07 k4r1m: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G Jul 22 20:43:13 cyanogen: did you make it sound like you were *treating* them? Jul 22 20:43:21 The 4G working group has defined the following as objectives of the 4G wireless communication standard: A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions as defined by the ITU-R,[3] Jul 22 20:43:38 no, i don't think so Jul 22 20:43:40 sipa1024: thats bs, all 4g = wimax lol Jul 22 20:43:57 hi all Jul 22 20:44:13 could someone tell me how to get the the messaging centre number Jul 22 20:44:22 i need to change it coz i ant send message Jul 22 20:44:34 ignore that then lol what i mean to say is that we have WIMAX all over the place here... you guys dont even have that yet =P finally canadians beat you guys at something Jul 22 20:45:10 did rogers modify the kernel, or they just haven't published their build .config? Jul 22 20:45:11 i've no idea who you're referring to with "you" ? Jul 22 20:45:29 cyanogen: the good thing in ur case though you guys still use different kernels on the rogers dream... us magic users are stuck with 1 kernel! and no tethering lol Jul 22 20:45:32 you can pull the config from the device, /proc/config.gz Jul 22 20:46:01 it's the same deal with the rogers dream, no custom kernel can be built Jul 22 20:46:31 really? didn't know.. Jul 22 20:46:48 i wonder the hero kernel would work or not... since 32A has the same specs Jul 22 20:47:22 itsrumsey: sorry, missed your question earlier. I'm on cm-3.6.8.1 Jul 22 20:47:52 ftw Jul 22 20:47:55 noahdroid: doesn't work fast enough without compcache? its pretty speedy for normal use, for me Jul 22 20:48:13 yeah, it works fine without Jul 22 20:48:16 ditto Jul 22 20:48:30 in fact unless you're willing to spend time tweaking it and playing with it, you could just leave it alone and not worry about it :-) Jul 22 20:48:31 noahdroid: is there a downside to compcache? Jul 22 20:48:35 compcache is still under active development Jul 22 20:49:29 tommy: well, at the moment I don't think anyone knows the optimum parameters to use with it Jul 22 20:49:35 noahdroid: you shoulda stuck with jachero and seen if you could get something usable out of compcache :) Jul 22 20:49:37 cyanogen: I kinda have a contact @ google/android team. Unfortunately the jerk never is any help... Jul 22 20:50:04 some people claim it eats their battery, but I'm skeptical. Running the cpu for microseconds to (un)compress should use less power than the nand or sd flash do Jul 22 20:50:32 my battery life is great with it Jul 22 20:50:32 noahdroid: i haven't noticed any battery life issues since compcache so i'd have to agree Jul 22 20:50:40 what kills my battery is leaving wifi on Jul 22 20:50:43 heh Jul 22 20:50:47 running things like meebo in the background is sure to eat the battery Jul 22 20:50:58 eff meebo Jul 22 20:51:00 when I have it turned off, I still have 50% power at the end of the day Jul 22 20:51:08 with regular usage, phone calls, etc. Jul 22 20:51:11 i use my phone too much, i never have 50% at the end of a day Jul 22 20:51:14 TommyBres: yeah, they build it out over here in sweden as well Jul 22 20:51:27 they what who huh Jul 22 20:51:49 * TommyBres is lost Jul 22 20:52:08 anyways i'm gonna go do something useful, bbiab Jul 22 20:52:11 noahdroid: So I see in jacheroskis newest version that compcache is included, but it also states swap is configured by default. Does that mean I need to edit userinit.sh to disable swapping and set up the compcache settings similiar to the ones in your script? Jul 22 20:52:58 sipa1024: that sounds like what they are building here Jul 22 20:53:35 thanks for the tip, ctate. That was an interesting read (and thanks to jbq for posting it, heh) Jul 22 20:53:42 at least the 100 Mbit speed Jul 22 20:54:16 iirc, jachero enables swap somewhere else, not in userinit.sh. Frankly I have no idea how you disable it there Jul 22 20:54:24 I guess you could call swapoff in userinit Jul 22 20:55:08 convention seems to be to put swap on the 3rd partition of the sd card Jul 22 20:55:08 I've been avoiding reading any hero rom discussion or swap discussions since I decided long ago I wasn't going to use it, now it looks like i'll have to go through a couple threads catching up. Jul 22 20:55:11 what a pain Jul 22 20:55:18 in which case "swapoff /dev/block/mmcblk0p3" should work Jul 22 20:55:38 jachero *needs* swap, because the g1 doesn't have enough ram Jul 22 20:55:42 I might try that, and then compcache enabling is still done through userinit? Jul 22 20:55:45 on cyanogen you don't really need it Jul 22 20:56:00 Does anybody know how to run the android emulator with the qemu flag nographic? Jul 22 20:56:22 So you say Hero basically needs it, and not to run both at the same time, so forget about compcache on hero...? Jul 22 20:56:26 itsrumsey: I think so. I haven't been keeping up with the latest releases Jul 22 20:56:55 I really have no idea that the best parameters are for hero. I kinda gave up on the idea Jul 22 20:57:05 something more powerful than the g1 seems indicated Jul 22 20:57:22 So what's this 'Touch Input' thing that's 4megs?? Jul 22 20:57:23 yeah Jul 22 20:57:39 Appears in Cyanogen's ROM Jul 22 20:57:41 the Hero is basically a dream, isn't it? Jul 22 20:57:43 but running both compcache and traditional swap seems like a recipe for erratic sluggishness Jul 22 20:57:48 maybe with more ram but the same underlying system? Jul 22 20:57:56 yeah, lack of ram is the problem Jul 22 20:58:00 s/system/hardware/ Jul 22 20:58:14 well, plus HTC made a bunch of shiny-vs-performance UI tradeoffs Jul 22 20:58:25 iCEBrkr: Its the HTC IME Jul 22 20:58:28 It's Jul 22 20:58:47 I thought I read somewhere that the processor in the g1 is a dual processor. I don't know if that means dual core or dual-mode Jul 22 20:58:52 ctate, I believe it has the same amount of RAM Jul 22 20:58:59 ctate, but it has a 3.5mm jack (!!) Jul 22 20:59:04 noahdroid: ARM9+ARM11 Jul 22 20:59:13 ah, ok. so dual-mode then Jul 22 20:59:17 which explains why no smp Jul 22 20:59:18 noahdroid: one runs the radio stuff and the other runs the android framework Jul 22 20:59:19 the Dream and Sapphire phones have IIRC five processors total Jul 22 20:59:39 neat Jul 22 20:59:42 an ARM9 that runs the radio code and is the overall master cpu; an ARM11 that runs Android; two GPUs; and a DSP Jul 22 20:59:50 (or is it two DSPs?) Jul 22 21:00:02 must be two DSPs Jul 22 21:00:04 Hrrm. I don't get those spiffy widgets though Jul 22 21:00:39 cyanogen: Hey, can you put the Japanese IME in the next build? Jul 22 21:00:54 ctate, isn't there some wussy microprocessor that controls the LED? Jul 22 21:00:58 since it's, you know, in the android source tree now Jul 22 21:01:11 KNY: i figured that's all GPIO or osmething Jul 22 21:01:14 i don't know, really Jul 22 21:01:27 Ahhh Jul 22 21:01:30 ctate, neither do I :) Jul 22 21:01:31 I had Android Keyboard enabled. Jul 22 21:01:39 that would be awesome if there were a Z80 controlling the LED and you could hijack it for some old school game play.. Jul 22 21:01:46 haha Jul 22 21:01:56 CP/M! Jul 22 21:01:57 kRutOn: haha Jul 22 21:02:20 Didn't the TRS-80 use a Z80? Jul 22 21:02:26 yep Jul 22 21:02:49 Nighty-night. Jul 22 21:03:11 4megs for that crap? Jul 22 21:03:21 Do i NEED this HTC IME for this build? Jul 22 21:03:26 you don't Jul 22 21:03:36 I like it more than the android soft keyboard, but it's not necessary Jul 22 21:04:31 noahdroid: I need more space. Jul 22 21:04:35 63megs used Jul 22 21:04:49 noahdroid: what is the command to unmount the sdcard from console? Jul 22 21:04:55 umount /sdcard Jul 22 21:05:01 how can i use the userinit.sh to activate swap, not compcache ( i have that already Jul 22 21:05:13 thanks Jul 22 21:05:30 you put your swap on the 3rd partition of the sd card? Jul 22 21:06:00 if so: swapon /dev/block/mmcblk0p3 Jul 22 21:06:03 noahdroid: i already have a swap partition Jul 22 21:06:12 Hi. I've installed a JF build on my G1 and would like to go back to the stock firmwares. Is it possible to do this (ideally whilst maintaining root)? Jul 22 21:06:15 Do Hong Kong users use Chinese (Taiwan) locale? Jul 22 21:06:27 Seems zh_HK is not there. Jul 22 21:06:58 engie: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=507 should be somewhere in there Jul 22 21:07:08 I have no idea. do people in HK speak traditional or simplified chinese? Jul 22 21:07:20 Traditional Jul 22 21:07:27 well, it's not SPOKEN... Jul 22 21:07:30 I thought... Jul 22 21:07:31 yeah Jul 22 21:07:34 er Jul 22 21:07:35 engie: What's the issue with the JF rom? Jul 22 21:07:36 engie: might even be in the dev section too Jul 22 21:07:36 yes, sorry Jul 22 21:07:49 They speak Cantonese, but write with traditional characters. There is written Cantonese, though. Jul 22 21:08:21 iCEBrkr: It displays numbers in the American (I'm in the UK), volume is always max and it's eating batteries. Jul 22 21:08:23 I guess I should switch my values-zh-rHK to values-zh-rTW, though. Jul 22 21:08:35 noahdroid: here is the userinit.sh http://pastebin.org/3641 Jul 22 21:09:14 engie: uh. Isn't there a JF UK ver? Jul 22 21:09:38 twiso10: is that your userini or a test one Jul 22 21:09:55 the beauty of a2sd is no reinstalling of apps after a new rom install Jul 22 21:10:06 iCEBrkr: I haven't investigated to be honest - first thing is to see if the stock firmware uses the GPRS in the same way. The build I have at the mo is transferring data to / from Google almost continually. Jul 22 21:10:07 twois10: that's yours? Jul 22 21:10:35 noahdroid: yes that is the script am using minus the part you gave me Jul 22 21:11:02 if you want to disable compcache, uncomment the "swapon /dev/ramzswap" Jul 22 21:11:19 twiso10: how is the 32mb for the swappiness working for you Jul 22 21:11:26 well, actually maybe comment out the rest too, otherwise the kernel module is eating into your ram and not using it Jul 22 21:11:41 engie: yikes. Jul 22 21:11:56 engie: You could also try Cyanogen's build.. Which is really spiffy. Jul 22 21:12:10 I don't see any real advantage to using both simultaneously. Not without priorities, anyway Jul 22 21:12:22 engie: and has all the locales Jul 22 21:12:30 flashing back to CM 3.6.8.1 as we speak Jul 22 21:13:18 noahdroid: i want both compcache and swap Jul 22 21:14:12 ok. report back how well that works, I'm curious Jul 22 21:14:16 (please :-)) Jul 22 21:14:35 noahdroid: let me test it now Jul 22 21:14:44 got the sdcard formatted with the swap partition on there now, and jachero flashed, waiting to see if it boots or dies Jul 22 21:20:07 hmm, I can't seem to find any documentation for mapview... and none at all for mapcontroller Jul 22 21:20:20 where are these docs? Jul 22 21:20:22 anyone ever had an issue that home and call keys are not working any longer? I found solution to run the initial wizzard again, but then its not possible to login into google Jul 22 21:23:57 twois10: I have some jachero questions, mind a PM? Jul 22 21:24:06 nope Jul 22 21:25:39 using ADB i want to see my database tables that are stored in my emulator..how can i? Jul 22 21:38:52 smartfish: sqlite3 /path/to/database.db Jul 22 21:38:53 .dump Jul 22 21:39:02 optionally, .dump tablename Jul 22 21:39:07 to keep it narrow Jul 22 21:39:58 ok it seems you can't use compcache and swap, i nolonger get compression Jul 22 21:42:44 i wish GV had an option to notify on sms Jul 22 21:42:55 i didn't want it to forward sms to my phone, but did want it to track it like email Jul 22 21:43:03 * k4r1m goes into dark mode Jul 22 21:43:21 don't forget your light saber Jul 22 21:43:34 hello darkness my oldest friend, htc are douche bags. Jul 22 21:43:54 yeah light saber too Jul 22 21:44:24 i call it the saber penetrator Jul 22 21:46:05 oops i didn't mean that in a sexual way lol Jul 22 21:46:37 where do i find sqlite3 Jul 22 21:47:14 and also where do i find database.db? Jul 22 21:47:17 smartfish: it's built into the phone. Jul 22 21:47:37 an app's databases are stored in its /data/data/[packagename]/databases/ directory Jul 22 21:48:22 ok.. but there is no folder called as databases.. Jul 22 21:48:30 which app? Jul 22 21:48:48 (maybe it's just "database", i forget the dir name) Jul 22 21:49:18 i have created a sample app in that i m using sqlite Jul 22 21:49:49 is there a hardware thermometer in the htc magic? or in any androids for that matter's sake Jul 22 21:49:53 When are we getting Oracle for the app database?! Jul 22 21:50:12 You're not. Jul 22 21:50:13 I need spatial functions. Jul 22 21:50:20 Write your own. Jul 22 21:50:28 Loading list.. *grrrind* Jul 22 21:51:07 Warning: You appear to have 5 processors; Oracle is only licensed for 1! Jul 22 21:51:46 Oracle will not function until you buy the 5 processor license, which costs 100 times more than the single processor one! Jul 22 21:51:54 Also, we killed MySQL. Enjoy. Jul 22 21:52:47 so you cant use compcache and swap together? Jul 22 21:53:00 wouldn't make any sense to Jul 22 21:53:11 they effectively do the same thing Jul 22 21:53:59 compcache uses disk space or the actual ram? Jul 22 21:54:05 ram Jul 22 21:54:16 http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ Jul 22 21:54:36 then swap in that case is better Jul 22 21:54:51 except for the wear and tear part Jul 22 21:54:56 and the slowness part Jul 22 21:55:24 @ctate: thanks .. got the databases folder Jul 22 21:55:33 how is compcache faster than regular ram? Jul 22 21:55:55 it's not, bu tit compresses it Jul 22 21:56:00 which is faster than swap Jul 22 21:56:18 so instead of having 100mb of swap, you could have 10mb of compressed ram Jul 22 21:56:28 sorry i meant to say how is compcache faster than regular swap Jul 22 21:56:36 cuz it's all in ram Jul 22 21:56:46 ram will always be the fastest media of any device Jul 22 21:56:49 the disk on a dream or sapphire is very, very slow Jul 22 21:56:53 anyway, i gotta pick up the wife n head out to the strip club ;) should make for a fun night Jul 22 21:57:31 zinx: I am glad that oracle killed mysql. It needed to die a very painful death. In a fire. A thermite fire. Jul 22 21:58:13 unknown_lamer: are you a postgresql fan, or do you like paying absurd amounts of money for database software? Jul 22 21:58:51 on an Android channel, you've got to clam that sqlite is the best, or you'll get banned. Jul 22 21:59:00 tee hee Jul 22 21:59:08 zinx: postgresql Jul 22 21:59:09 lulz Jul 22 21:59:30 zinx: to be fair, Oracle *does* make good db products. it's just that they also sell them for large sums of money to people who don't actually need anything nearly that studly. Jul 22 21:59:41 * unknown_lamer just finished importing 5 million rows into a postgresql db Jul 22 21:59:53 oi was that painful. I think I need to hack the csv importer to generate lists instead of vectors Jul 22 22:00:31 ctate: do you know if there is an ICU upgrade in the future Jul 22 22:00:45 zinx: I also happen to have to run gigantic queries on huge data sets (gigs and gigs of data) that are in use by 1000+ people at any given time ... and the PostGIS stuff is quite helpful too Jul 22 22:01:50 hello Androids Jul 22 22:01:57 kRutOn: i do not know Jul 22 22:02:04 ctate: icu4c, that is Jul 22 22:02:05 i try to stay away from the i18n stuff :) Jul 22 22:02:28 Yah.. it's full of stars^Wpitfalls Jul 22 22:02:40 I've talked to people who'd like to update icu4c, but there's a difference between "would like" and "actually done" Jul 22 22:03:18 hmmmhmhmhmhm Jul 22 22:03:37 my 'droid is a bit slow Jul 22 22:05:28 feed it stimulants Jul 22 22:07:23 kRutOn: submissions cheerfully accepted :) Jul 22 22:07:43 WAH! google.com is taking more than 3 seconds to load. Somebody fix it :( Jul 22 22:07:54 * ctate blames Qwell's ISP Jul 22 22:08:08 jbq; Internally or just guys stopping you on the street? Jul 22 22:08:10 ctate: more than likely :D Jul 22 22:08:21 kRutOn: internally Jul 22 22:08:30 the latter would rock Jul 22 22:08:32 ctate: yeah, I already started on getting 4.2.1 in there Jul 22 22:08:59 I just thought I'd ask before getting n2deep Jul 22 22:09:24 (that's a band right?) Jul 22 22:09:36 ugh... is it possible that NotificationManager.notify() is a stub in the API (version 2 or 1.1 or whatever) - I'm getting a RuntimeException when calling .notify(int id, Notification notif) and from this bytecode or what it is it seems the exception is thrown right at the beginning of the method and that the msg is set to "Stub!" Jul 22 22:10:11 Also, I'm walking down the street right now, so I'll stop jbq if I see him Jul 22 22:10:47 Mortal_: the android.jar that the SDK ships with is stubbed out -- it's there only for the linker. Jul 22 22:10:52 Mortal_: that sounds like you're running the code in the SDK's android.jar Jul 22 22:10:56 no real code exists in it, the real code is in the android runtime. Jul 22 22:10:58 which is just stubs for linkage purposes Jul 22 22:11:08 oh. uh... Jul 22 22:11:32 *EVERY* method in the SDK android.jar is just { throw new RuntimeException("Stub!"); } Jul 22 22:11:34 ok I'll check out the docs for notificationmanager.notify() and try and rewrite this Jul 22 22:11:43 all right that makes sense Jul 22 22:12:08 but the calls should still succeed, right? I mean, I don't suppose I'm actually getting the stub runtimeexception? Jul 22 22:12:19 I'm pretty much clueless right now Jul 22 22:12:28 well, the call has succeeded in that you're obviously running the method implementation Jul 22 22:12:37 which is what throws the exception :) Jul 22 22:12:44 the problem is that you're running the wrong bytecode Jul 22 22:12:55 oh hmm Jul 22 22:14:01 the application I'm facelifting is "androidchat" (on google code), last commit is a year and three months old and I've been fixing the code to run the 1.1 api Jul 22 22:20:24 Mortal_: cool Jul 22 22:20:29 is it xmpp based? Jul 22 22:21:26 hi all Jul 22 22:21:51 has anybody tried to encode video for android via mencoder yet? Jul 22 22:22:16 spikebike, at the moment I have no idea Jul 22 22:22:33 I was just searching google for open-source irc clients, but they're all dead or closed-source Jul 22 22:22:44 ah, irc Jul 22 22:22:47 I had assume IM Jul 22 22:22:52 oh right I didn't say Jul 22 22:22:58 d Jul 22 22:23:15 I'm interested in being able to send XMPP messages to my phone (not the user of the phone) Jul 22 22:23:26 yeah this one was pretty low in search results despite medium activity (albeit a year ago), but I'm guessing it's because it doesn't have "irc" in the project title Jul 22 22:23:43 heh, possible Jul 22 22:24:49 www.androidirc.net is the only free, current irc client I've been able to find, but it's closed-source Jul 22 22:25:04 * Ge0rG is looking for an OSS jabber client Jul 22 22:25:07 yuck Jul 22 22:25:12 so it's the one I'm using, naturally, but I'd love to participate in an irc client project Jul 22 22:25:14 I use connectbot ;-) Jul 22 22:25:54 oh my, that looks cool Jul 22 22:26:13 now that connectbot can notify you about messages from the background, the only thing I miss is blinking the device led Jul 22 22:26:57 when I mount the sdcard to my pc, is it possible to transfer an apk to it and install it on the phone? Jul 22 22:26:58 (and maybe lower protocol overhead) Jul 22 22:27:18 Mortal_: yes. you can run "pm install file.apk" in the terminal Jul 22 22:27:25 terrrminal Jul 22 22:27:28 on the phone? Jul 22 22:27:37 or you can just do 'adb install file.apk' from the PC with the phone plugged in Jul 22 22:27:43 if you have debugging access enabled Jul 22 22:27:44 ...that sounds easier Jul 22 22:27:47 yeah I do Jul 22 22:27:52 I just got the phone this morning Jul 22 22:30:22 hmm, my phone is vibrating randomly, several short bursts per sec... it's connected on usb & battery is 100%, could that have something to do with it? Jul 22 22:30:26 ofc you also have to have the adb tool; it's bundled with the SDK Jul 22 22:30:30 ?! Jul 22 22:30:40 or well it was Jul 22 22:30:41 no, power management never vibes the phone Jul 22 22:30:49 gotta be some app then Jul 22 22:30:51 you're sure it wasn't an incoming call? Jul 22 22:30:57 Ge0rG: what do you mean lower protocol overhead? Jul 22 22:30:58 or yeah, some app Jul 22 22:31:08 probably greader Jul 22 22:31:49 kRutOn: irc/jabber in an ssh session takes up much more network traffic than direct irc/xmpp from the phone. as I don't have a data plan, thats an issue Jul 22 22:32:20 Ge0rG: you can turn on compression.. Jul 22 22:32:52 kRutOn: thats still not the same. every character I type causes a tcp packet to be sent to my shell host and a tcp ack to be returned Jul 22 22:33:33 * Ge0rG is looking for a native OSS jabber client Jul 22 22:33:38 well, and a psh back for drawing :) Jul 22 22:34:20 gtalk is jabber. Jul 22 22:34:25 need OTR. Jul 22 22:34:27 people have requested text box input for lines. Maybe I should actually do that. Jul 22 22:34:46 grey-: its not. Jul 22 22:35:01 Ge0rG: google talk is most definitely jabber. Jul 22 22:35:18 grey-: so, where can I setup my own jabber server in gtalk? Jul 22 22:35:45 Ge0rG: ah, if you want better client options, no idea. Jul 22 22:35:50 but the underlying protocol is jabber. Jul 22 22:37:03 grey-: just because gtalk is using the jabber protocol (which I'm not really sure for the android version), it does not make gtalk a jabber client :| Jul 22 22:37:27 errr yes, but not one you can use w/ other jabber services. Jul 22 22:37:31 it's not IMPS. Jul 22 22:37:37 but w/e Jul 22 22:37:39 you want something else. Jul 22 22:37:40 go find it. Jul 22 22:37:47 there seem to be several jabber clients in the market. Jul 22 22:37:54 Yeah I don't see how its not a jabber client if it operates with the jabber protocol... Jul 22 22:37:54 er gtalk is a protocol that started with XMPP, but has been drifting Jul 22 22:38:05 XMPP works with gtalk users because of the google gateway Jul 22 22:38:06 jabiru seems to be the most promising one, but it seems to have ceased development Jul 22 22:38:42 it's not using the jabber protocol anymore Jul 22 22:38:57 itsrumsey: would chrome be a web browser if it only allowed to access *.google.com? Jul 22 22:39:04 Ge0rG: sure Jul 22 22:39:10 yes? Jul 22 22:39:13 in case you've never seen deployments of apps like that. Jul 22 22:39:13 additionally android doesn't expose any xmpp related APIs... sadly it' smuch easier to write a SMS based program for android than IM Jul 22 22:39:25 it's pretty common to do stuff -exactly- like that actually. Jul 22 22:39:29 spikebike: yup. Jul 22 22:39:35 Ge0rG: not if it didn't speak HTML anymore Jul 22 22:39:46 most jabber services just let you communicate with just their service anyway. Jul 22 22:39:59 grey-: so its not a jabber client but a $service client. Jul 22 22:40:04 reinventing the irc wheel. Jul 22 22:40:15 and not a web browser but a google browser. Jul 22 22:40:23 *sigh* Jul 22 22:40:35 XMPP on android has so much potential it makes me sad that it's not supported Jul 22 22:40:37 still, that discussion is completely irrelevant. Jul 22 22:40:37 Ignoring ALL from Ge0rG Jul 22 22:40:43 unproductive discussion is unproductive. Jul 22 22:40:51 spikebike: security risks, apparently. ;-/ Jul 22 22:40:57 heh Jul 22 22:41:00 all I aked for is an OSS xmpp client... Jul 22 22:41:06 which gtalk isn't. Jul 22 22:41:08 well not supporting remote intents makes a ton of sense Jul 22 22:41:11 http://www.h-online.com/news/Android-1-0-loses-GoogleTalk-and-Bluetooth-APIs--/111402 Jul 22 22:41:46 I wonder if google's going to bail on p2p and xmpp and just do gears Jul 22 22:41:46 Can someone please tell me how you get a system.img? Jul 22 22:42:16 i've compiled a kernel and initrd, but where does the system.img come from? Jul 22 22:45:32 twois10: well its confirmed, after an hour of frustratingly trying to get ANYTHING done on jachero, i'm downgrading again :) Jul 22 22:45:43 hero rom development still has a ways to go before its usable Jul 22 22:45:46 oops, sorry Jul 22 22:45:52 lol Jul 22 22:45:55 I wonder if google's going to bail on p2p and xmpp and just do google wave Jul 22 22:47:30 hello, I am trying to root my g1 and have downgraded to RC29 but at the desktop when I hit enter twice it does not bring up anything for me to run telnetd and continue with the process, any ideas? Jul 22 22:47:39 itsrumsey: I use a Hero Rom Jul 22 22:47:55 Do you have a magic or a g1? Jul 22 22:48:00 magic Jul 22 22:48:24 The magic with full ram or the gimped one? Jul 22 22:48:35 full ram Jul 22 22:48:36 eheh Jul 22 22:48:47 Well maybe it works for you, but its no good on a g1 Jul 22 22:49:16 it's still a bit slow sometimes Jul 22 22:49:21 but really usable Jul 22 22:49:27 I was told that JacHero is better Jul 22 22:49:33 I ll try it Jul 22 22:50:18 jacheroski is supposed to be great. maybe it is. I don't know, it was absolutely horrid for me. Jul 22 22:50:41 Well if you have a g1 that sounds hard Jul 22 22:51:34 hm Jul 22 22:51:43 k4r1m: are you there Jul 22 22:52:02 yes? Jul 22 22:52:17 k4r1m: how is jachero going Jul 22 22:52:45 i ported it but im getting reports that some stuff is not working such as the camera and i have no idea why Jul 22 22:53:02 oh Jul 22 22:53:07 That sucks Jul 22 22:53:43 zelrikriando: are u still on hero? Jul 22 22:54:11 yes Jul 22 22:54:39 so what's the attraction of the Hero build? Jul 22 22:54:47 zelrikriando: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532822 Jul 22 22:54:52 it's awesome Jul 22 22:54:55 ok Jul 22 22:55:00 awesome how/why? Jul 22 22:55:05 i mean, other than being slow :) Jul 22 22:55:10 ctate: widgets, facebook sync, twitter, and bunch of other stuff Jul 22 22:55:17 let me finish my DTD Jul 22 22:55:29 im not using hero no more Jul 22 22:55:34 by "widgets" do you mean the HTC-custom thing they did? Jul 22 22:55:40 using the palm pre cyanogen rom Jul 22 22:55:50 as opposed to the usual AppWidgets system that is in the OS? Jul 22 22:55:54 ctate: yeah very fancy Jul 22 22:56:17 its awesome because its slow, i guess Jul 22 22:56:21 ha ha Jul 22 22:56:30 I never had an inclination to try it, until today, and now I hate myself for installing it Jul 22 22:57:37 lol what confuses me is that it's made to work on a device that has 288mb of ram and a qualcom 7200... guess what my magic has the same thing but its still slow without any optimizations. Jul 22 22:57:43 off Jul 22 22:58:03 k4r1m: im not entirely convinced its speedy on the Hero itself Jul 22 22:58:34 itsrumsey: yeah i think its not lol Jul 22 22:58:50 any news on tmobile sherpa app and facebook? Jul 22 22:59:12 whats the sherpa thing again? Jul 22 22:59:38 itsrumsey: an app like places directory but much more fancy Jul 22 22:59:58 ah Jul 22 23:00:05 i gave up hero relucltantly Jul 22 23:00:28 it has all the goodies, but somethings dont work Jul 22 23:00:42 actually, looks like sherpa leaked today Jul 22 23:00:49 http://www.tmoapps.com/Documents/AppPack.apk Jul 22 23:00:50 itsrumsey: where? Jul 22 23:01:29 The AppPack includes 9 applications - Sherpa, World Tour, Visual Voicemail, myAccount, Hotspot Locator, iMeem, Movies by Flixster, Facebook, Enhance Phone Book Jul 22 23:01:42 twois10: what doesn't work on the hero? Jul 22 23:01:51 wait I was wrong, my mistake. Jul 22 23:01:58 or do you mean hero rom on another device? Jul 22 23:02:02 itsrumsey: ah, dont do that lol Jul 22 23:02:10 Visual Voicemail? Would be nice to have but I guess won't so easily :-( Jul 22 23:02:16 sipa1024: i meant hero rom, for g1 Jul 22 23:02:30 ok Jul 22 23:02:31 k4r1m: I guess most of the apps I listed are in there, but not Sherpa and Facebook Jul 22 23:02:34 supposedly on the 5th Jul 22 23:02:48 yeah i cant wait =D Jul 22 23:03:25 I don't even know what Places is :) Jul 22 23:03:32 is it some point of interest map? Jul 22 23:03:34 err, app Jul 22 23:03:51 itsrumsey: it's that virtual desktop thing in Mac OS X *scnr* Jul 22 23:04:00 itsrumsey: nvm http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539670 loool Jul 22 23:04:59 looks okay Jul 22 23:05:00 i think compcache is bad (really) for you battery Jul 22 23:05:21 I think someone was talking about that earlier, and suggested it wasn't Jul 22 23:05:23 not sure though Jul 22 23:05:56 when ever you are compressing, you are exhausting power Jul 22 23:06:43 I well test both but will likely end up with swap Jul 22 23:07:01 yes, anything that uses the cpu will lower your battery life. Jul 22 23:07:19 That apppak is supposed to bring exchange support as well? Jul 22 23:07:20 compcache depends heavily on the cpu Jul 22 23:07:27 If thats true, I want it. Now. Jul 22 23:07:49 ctate, I cannot go back on the magic rom Jul 22 23:08:01 the keyboard of the Hero is too nice Jul 22 23:08:08 i'm curious what the showstopper is. oh, the onscreen kbd? Jul 22 23:08:21 zelrikriando: you can install the HTC IME on the Magic Jul 22 23:08:42 and I like the bookmark widget Jul 22 23:08:49 and the interface is nicer overall Jul 22 23:09:02 I just like it, I just wished it was a bit smoother Jul 22 23:09:16 twois10: Is compcache going to speed anything up on the rom you're using? Its already blazing fast from my daily use the last 2-3 weeks Jul 22 23:09:20 "the interface" covers a lot of territory. all applications look different on a Hero? Jul 22 23:09:37 ctate mainly the widgets, they tend to not suck Jul 22 23:09:38 ctate: most apps look slightly different, I think its the color scheme Jul 22 23:09:42 and everythings "rounded" Jul 22 23:09:51 compcache sounds like snake oil Jul 22 23:09:52 oh, the widgets being that custom thing that HTC wrote into their Home app, right Jul 22 23:10:03 tbo: that's what I'm wondering Jul 22 23:10:05 ctate and the thing that you drag to see the apps... I prefer it on the Hero Jul 22 23:10:20 like i said, they wrote their own Home app Jul 22 23:10:24 a little more speed would not hurt Jul 22 23:10:29 itsrumsey: there was a program which promised the same, when Windows 95 was released Jul 22 23:10:39 itsrumsey: SoftRAM Jul 22 23:10:40 dont know about "blazing fast" Jul 22 23:11:05 softram, ramdoubler, etc Jul 22 23:11:13 maybe only blazing compared to all the other ROMs i've used Jul 22 23:11:24 they're all system tools to make a tradeoff between cpu and I/O load Jul 22 23:11:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM Jul 22 23:12:00 ctate: SoftRAM did exactly nothing Jul 22 23:12:00 If I try and mv a folder on to another folder of the same name, will it overwrite/merge? Jul 22 23:12:08 because thats what I'm trying to do Jul 22 23:12:15 tbo: well, I/O on desktop machines is pretty fast :) Jul 22 23:12:38 itsrumsey: it will probably delete the old one and its contents and replace it with the one you're moving, *not* merge Jul 22 23:12:49 that would be fine as well Jul 22 23:12:51 ctate: well, the SoftRAM guys used a driver from Microsoft changed a few thing and put it in a box Jul 22 23:12:52 as long as it doesn't fail Jul 22 23:12:59 or it will make it a subdir fo the destination one Jul 22 23:13:05 ctate: they even compiled it with debug symbols Jul 22 23:13:06 which is probably not waht you want Jul 22 23:13:11 yeah thats what I DON'T want to happen Jul 22 23:13:14 but its what I think might :\ Jul 22 23:13:14 tbo: ha ha Jul 22 23:13:27 just delete the dest first Jul 22 23:13:38 no? Jul 22 23:13:40 the problem is i repartitioned my sdcard for hero, decided it was trash, and now I need to restore my /system/sd folder Jul 22 23:13:47 ctate: the german computer magazine had to examine the software very closely to avoid legal problems :-) Jul 22 23:13:53 ha Jul 22 23:15:02 ctate: u a dev? Jul 22 23:15:19 i'm a framework engineer on Android, yeah Jul 22 23:15:54 (that's how i sign myself on the android-platform list :) ) Jul 22 23:15:55 ctate: the ct removed the english version of the article, too bad the story is kinda funny Jul 22 23:16:42 ctate: haha nice... hm how hard would it be to create some sort methods/lib injector for android? Jul 22 23:16:52 some sort of* Jul 22 23:16:52 to do what, exactly? Jul 22 23:17:10 ctate: overide system calls and methods Jul 22 23:17:14 at runtime Jul 22 23:17:41 time to go refill my stomach Jul 22 23:17:44 have you looked at the Instrumentation class in the Android framework? Jul 22 23:17:50 ctate I wanna develop something for the android but I cant right now because I am too dumb :) Jul 22 23:18:20 also, what do you want to do using this hypothetical facility? Jul 22 23:18:28 ctate: no i havnt but i was told what im trying to do is not possible. Jul 22 23:18:36 zelrikriando: you don't know what to develop, or you can't develop what you want to? ;) Jul 22 23:18:42 that's my guess but i'd like to know more about what you want to accomplish Jul 22 23:18:43 hm and example would be detecting when someone touches the notifcation bar Jul 22 23:19:06 sipa1024: I have a pretty clear idea of what I wanna develop Jul 22 23:19:07 k4r1m: what kernel? I would suggest going to git.android.kernel.org or codeaurora.org Jul 22 23:19:09 from an app? Jul 22 23:19:16 or from system code? Jul 22 23:19:20 ctate: system wide Jul 22 23:19:35 define "system wide" ? Jul 22 23:19:38 no, i mean do you want a third-party app to be able to detect this? Jul 22 23:19:49 sipa1024: I just need to learn how to write Java stuff I guess Jul 22 23:19:50 or just code that was compiled into the system image? Jul 22 23:19:59 ctate: hm a third party Jul 22 23:20:11 but that third party app would be injected in the system wouldnt it? Jul 22 23:20:14 no way to do it, and as far as i am concerned we will never make that possible. Jul 22 23:20:20 huge security hole Jul 22 23:21:08 i know thats what im asking is it possible to be made as something that is not from the sdk? Jul 22 23:21:08 sipa1024: actually it might not be as hard to do, some pieces are already there Jul 22 23:21:41 k4r1m: if you hack the OS source, you can do whatever you want Jul 22 23:21:52 but it'll never be part of the core OS Jul 22 23:22:03 like i said, huge security problems with that idea. Jul 22 23:22:06 ctate: yeah i dont want it to be a part of the core Jul 22 23:22:42 well tmzt mentioned something how you google devs having something "similar" but it's closed and part of the core? Jul 22 23:22:59 a few lines ago i mentioned the Instrumentation stuff Jul 22 23:23:12 what is that exactly? Jul 22 23:23:14 but that is not usable from 3rd party code, only from the OS itself; we use it for testing Jul 22 23:23:27 it's for injecting events, trapping activity lifecycle methods, etc. Jul 22 23:23:45 ctate: i think thats exactly what i want =p Jul 22 23:23:55 k4r1m: I did? Jul 22 23:23:56 that's why i mentioned it in the first place! Jul 22 23:24:00 what are you referring to? Jul 22 23:24:07 tmzt: it was a long time :D Jul 22 23:24:24 hey, my memory is usually good, but I can't think of it Jul 22 23:24:56 ctate: would it be possible some how to get that intrumentation working as third party? Jul 22 23:25:17 only on your own custom builds of the OS Jul 22 23:25:31 but there, sure Jul 22 23:25:46 ctate: hm no im thinking if its possible to do it on any os build no matter what Jul 22 23:26:21 then it's impossible, and always will be. Jul 22 23:26:24 I really wonder what you are referring to Jul 22 23:26:51 tmzt: it was a few weeks i was talking to you about "hooking" n stuff Jul 22 23:26:58 tmzt: as i understand it, he wants to be able to write an app that intercepts / manipulates user action in all other apps in the system Jul 22 23:27:15 whats the command to copy all the contents of one folder to another? "cp /sdcard/app/* /system/sd/app/"? Jul 22 23:27:16 basically Jul 22 23:27:23 yeah lol Jul 22 23:27:41 and the answer here is "you can't do that, and we will work hard to make sure you never can" Jul 22 23:27:46 it is a security hole, but im willing to go beyond the limits here Jul 22 23:28:02 ctate: lol Jul 22 23:28:11 hey, i'm just telling it straight :) Jul 22 23:28:18 yeah ofcourse and i understand Jul 22 23:28:23 I vaguely remember now Jul 22 23:28:40 it's not like i was trying to get you to tell me about any back doors you guys have made or anything lol Jul 22 23:29:20 hi all.. Is there any clues of how to debug while developing firmware driver on android omnia ? Jul 22 23:29:38 i know it's possible, it's possible on every OS out there it has to be some how possible... just needs a lot of work Jul 22 23:30:07 you might want to ask that on the android-porting mailing list, stevejoyy -- that's for people doing hw-level porting / driver dev type stuff Jul 22 23:30:11 but yeah it dangours security wise and memory wise, memoery leaks can be easly created like that Jul 22 23:30:55 ctate any hope of having android apps register with the OS to be woken up when a gtalk IM comes in? Jul 22 23:31:02 stevejoyy: we have a kernel working on omnia, in #htc-linux Jul 22 23:31:03 I believe similar is easy with SMS Jul 22 23:31:10 stevejoyy: not sure what you are using Jul 22 23:31:18 spikebike: file a gtalk feature request Jul 22 23:31:27 wait whos stevejoyy lol ? Jul 22 23:31:31 ctate: where? Jul 22 23:31:45 b.android. com Jul 22 23:31:49 err, b.android.com Jul 22 23:31:56 speaking of gtalk, does someone know why I can't see my avatar in the android client? Jul 22 23:32:05 ctate: will do, thanks Jul 22 23:33:35 can someone here go to www.rancorous.net and let me know if they can get to the post and what the address is ? Jul 22 23:33:38 :) Jul 22 23:33:41 ctate: i should add what i want in bugs page lol =D Jul 22 23:34:09 Macarse: bl0ag Jul 22 23:34:37 k4r1m: i'll be happy to mark it "feature declined" :) Jul 22 23:35:50 ctate: how about the ability to make random cookies appear on the screen at all times? Jul 22 23:36:16 k4r1m: cupcakes in 1.5 and donuts in 2.0? *scnr* Jul 22 23:36:20 oatmeal or chocolate chip? Jul 22 23:36:29 k4r1m: getting closer :D Jul 22 23:36:36 white chocolate Jul 22 23:36:40 lol almost the same thing hahaha Jul 22 23:36:42 Declined! Jul 22 23:36:47 macadamia or similar spelling Jul 22 23:36:48 duh Jul 22 23:38:11 ctate: how about the ability to intercept certian things, if i can trim it down to certain things that wouldnt be a security issue? Jul 22 23:38:40 you'd have to document what you want to intercept, how, and why it's important Jul 22 23:38:42 kprobes is coming to the kernel :) Jul 22 23:39:01 and even then frankly we'll probably turn it down because letting apps see what the user is doing in other apps is, at a very low level, Very Bad™. Jul 22 23:39:36 ctate: my current concern is just the notification bar, i just wanna use it as a shortcut for a few things Jul 22 23:39:56 ctate: when I click on new issue I can select user defect, or devel defect, but I can't select enhancement. Yes most things in the list are enhancements Jul 22 23:40:11 does someone else decide if it's a bug or enhancement request? Jul 22 23:40:13 yeah, don't sweat that. Jul 22 23:40:34 shortcoming of the current bug system we use (it's the one common to all code.google.com projects) Jul 22 23:40:55 we'd like to switch to using a more featureful one but of course we don't have infinite resources to devote to stuff Jul 22 23:42:11 ctate: this is an odd question yet personal lol feel free not to answer it... what school did you go to for cs/se ? Jul 22 23:42:33 my degree is not in CS or another C* field. :) Jul 22 23:42:47 (math, penn state) Jul 22 23:43:01 (though i did minor in cs and german) Jul 22 23:43:13 na sowas Jul 22 23:43:26 ich hab' fast alles vergessen :) Jul 22 23:43:54 haha weird... i always had *the perfect path to work for google* planned out lmao Jul 22 23:43:56 understandable Jul 22 23:44:18 way too early though just finished highschool =P Jul 22 23:44:45 be thorough about the technical end Jul 22 23:44:50 k4r1m: write a good app Jul 22 23:44:57 ctate: i like that thinking, building an open platform and ensure keeping it holes-free, course you will be eating your own dogfood anyway. google is not that evil after all :} Jul 22 23:44:59 and on top of that, breadth and flexibility are always a good thing. Jul 22 23:45:18 lianj: we think *very hard* about security and privacy issues. Jul 22 23:45:34 well, what should I say, I'm just an economist Jul 22 23:45:35 i know google gets crap about that in the press sometimes, but dangit we are working our butts off on it Jul 22 23:46:30 tmzt: my problem is not mainly coding i could almost learn anything(other than gay assembly, push, mov, bah, gay!), just creativity is my problem right now lol Jul 22 23:46:48 I was searching for that "tell me the other ip on gmail" thing, and a search gmail and security just came back as "major holes in gmail!!!!" Jul 22 23:46:53 jk about assembly its fun but just hard to learn Jul 22 23:47:42 ctate: hmm, I recently read a nice comment about Google due to leaked presentation about privacy: Google had never lost personal data of its users in opposite to other big companies and public authorities Jul 22 23:48:02 like i said, we try REALLY HARD on that stuff Jul 22 23:48:15 tbo: how about that youtube thing they lost? Jul 22 23:48:38 huge protections around any sort of personally-identifying information Jul 22 23:48:40 it's a california company with california users (among other places), so we would know Jul 22 23:49:10 hq is in cali? thought it was san fran? Jul 22 23:49:14 ctate: for relearning your German: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b4a85644 Jul 22 23:49:26 "Nein, ich bin nicht der Salat" Jul 22 23:49:42 ctate: that is Imbiss-German :-) Jul 22 23:49:45 "Ich habe Sauerkraut in meinen Lederhosen" Jul 22 23:49:57 ctate: yes, starting to realize that - also the SOC stuff. moved to google reader recently, please dont break my trust ;) Jul 22 23:50:04 crap adv. taskmanager says its installed but not showing up Jul 22 23:50:09 tbo: i have an Austrian friend who regularly shares Linz street dialect with me. it hurts. :) Jul 22 23:50:25 lianj: i use Google Reader myself all the time Jul 22 23:50:41 [austrian slang is *nuts*] Jul 22 23:50:41 ctate: it's Austrian, listen to your governor for a few sentences makes me cry :-) Jul 22 23:50:41 probably the greatest service, at least post lens Jul 22 23:50:50 tbo: do not remind me Jul 22 23:50:57 ctate: sorry Jul 22 23:51:07 for an ajax atom client it's pretty powerful Jul 22 23:51:10 how come all my apps say there is an upgrade available though there is not Jul 22 23:51:11 California: TERMINATED. Jul 22 23:51:12 I just wish the api was more open Jul 22 23:51:25 ahem. Jul 22 23:51:40 twois: same here Jul 22 23:52:02 ctate: oh i was asking earlier, who should i talk to if i wanted a source code of a kernel on a HTC branded phone? htc? Jul 22 23:52:18 yes, HTC. Jul 22 23:52:20 and if you upgraded them, you wont be able to run them anymore Jul 22 23:52:32 I would wait for official release I guess Jul 22 23:52:37 ctate: so you guys wouldn't have it? Jul 22 23:52:37 * ctate zoom Jul 22 23:52:49 it's unfortunate we don't have it yet though, unless it's on aurora somewhere Jul 22 23:53:02 k4r1m: this came up a bit earlier. For several products HTC builds its own kernels and Google does not have the source code. Jul 22 23:53:41 ctate: are you getting any updates from swetland on wl12xx wifi driver or 2.6.31 integration? Jul 22 23:54:45 I'm kinda glad for having the Samsung Galaxy, looks a lot better than the HTC phones Jul 22 23:54:47 TimRiker: so did you get the contact you needed for your Android device? Jul 22 23:55:01 switching to hero has caused me 3+ hours of headaches, and counting Jul 22 23:55:05 tbo: i bet lol Jul 22 23:55:17 tbo: u have an amoled screen which is crazy =D Jul 22 23:55:34 romainguy_: in progress. nda, google site, etc... takes a while. Jul 22 23:55:52 TimRiker: what is this about? if you can say anything Jul 22 23:56:05 k4r1m: yesterday I put it next to my MacBook Pro screen, nice really nice Jul 22 23:56:11 tbo: u seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtjVFMZC9M already? Jul 22 23:56:15 TimRiker: well you're welcome Jul 22 23:56:20 tmzt: launching a new android handset, trying to get all the google bits on it. Jul 22 23:56:31 romainguy_: oh, yeah. thanx! :) Jul 22 23:57:08 k4r1m: I think I posted that video yesterday Jul 22 23:57:34 oh someone did lol its just too funny Jul 22 23:57:41 TimRiker: making ur own device? Jul 22 23:57:45 wooo Jul 22 23:57:45 k4r1m: it is Jul 22 23:57:53 k4r1m: yes Jul 22 23:58:28 k4r1m, so you dont have to ask Jul 22 23:58:36 thats crazy, any specs? Jul 22 23:58:37 lol Jul 22 23:58:37 800x480 capacitive screen Jul 22 23:58:46 256/128 memory Jul 22 23:58:53 sd card obvs Jul 22 23:58:59 use 512 ram lol Jul 22 23:59:10 TommyBres, thanks for the suggestion on cyanogen yesterday. My phone definitely seems much more snappy :) Jul 22 23:59:10 anyone know why all my apps say there is an update though there is not. and when you do update, you cant use the app Jul 22 23:59:18 k4r1m by the time its released apps will be on sd from the start Jul 22 23:59:36 he said upon release it'll be integrated Jul 22 23:59:45 release of what? Jul 22 23:59:49 savid no problem man Jul 22 23:59:54 k4r1m, the phone Jul 23 00:00:22 TommyBres? Jul 23 00:00:26 TommyB: wait, is he just creating a custom unit for him self or trying to manufacture a bunch? or what lol im lost Jul 23 00:00:44 good night Jul 23 00:00:49 night Jul 23 00:01:05 I had to do a wipe though to get market working again -- Lost my savegames :-( Jul 23 00:01:21 tmzt? Jul 23 00:01:48 I guess you are somebody else then :) Jul 23 00:01:52 savid that stinks, i lost all of my achievements and unlockables in robo defense not long ago Jul 23 00:02:00 tmzt yes im tommybres lol Jul 23 00:02:09 ok Jul 23 00:02:18 /msg nickserv ghost tommybres Jul 23 00:02:32 er wut Jul 23 00:02:42 Oops. Jul 23 00:03:01 i guess darairc doesnt support "/msg" Jul 23 00:03:10 It'd be nice if there was a way to back-up your application data.. where is that actually stored? Jul 23 00:03:31 I guess it depends on the app Jul 23 00:03:34 it's stored on /data Jul 23 00:03:37 savid, in /data Jul 23 00:03:57 but now robo defense got smart and backs up to /sdcard... Jul 23 00:04:09 that app update was 3 days after i lost everything, doh Jul 23 00:04:34 not to the interwebs? Jul 23 00:04:47 no? Jul 23 00:05:38 ok, i cant ghost my other nick Jul 23 00:05:43 this stinx Jul 23 00:08:59 wordpress is pretty awesome Jul 23 00:09:13 takes a few minutes to install and works great Jul 23 00:09:14 heh Jul 23 00:11:11 someone check the user list, is tommybres in here? Jul 23 00:11:21 i cant ghost it or change to it >.< Jul 23 00:11:48 * JesusFreke pokes TommyBres Jul 23 00:11:54 haha. he can't fight back Jul 23 00:11:57 yes he's here Jul 23 00:12:04 ok market is not working, i just wiped and re installed cyanogen 3 6.8 Jul 23 00:12:12 TommyB: tell us your password and we'll ghost it for you Jul 23 00:12:29 zinx: probably 12345 Jul 23 00:12:42 nope, not 12345 Jul 23 00:13:22 lol Jul 23 00:13:30 zinx ya ok Jul 23 00:13:50 you wouldnt guess it in a million years Jul 23 00:14:03 hey just trying to help Jul 23 00:14:11 it has a mix of capital and lower case letters with numbers mixed between them Jul 23 00:14:14 12346? Jul 23 00:14:20 lol jf Jul 23 00:14:41 its basically like JjK890Y6d81 Jul 23 00:14:51 mine has symbols too Jul 23 00:14:53 not those letters or numbers, same format Jul 23 00:15:06 ohh well im not special enough for symbols Jul 23 00:15:26 * k4r1m sizeof(password) = 27 Jul 23 00:15:41 shouldn't that be len? Jul 23 00:15:49 0123457890123457890123456? Jul 23 00:15:50 unless password is a type Jul 23 00:15:54 not if password is a character array Jul 23 00:15:58 its a string Jul 23 00:16:03 same thing Jul 23 00:16:09 forgot the len lol true Jul 23 00:16:15 strings can be represented several ways Jul 23 00:16:20 you can't assign it anyway Jul 23 00:16:23 sizeof's a C thing Jul 23 00:16:40 yes, but it applies to types only I thought Jul 23 00:16:45 lol Jul 23 00:16:47 geeks Jul 23 00:16:49 it applies to variables as well Jul 23 00:17:04 char foo[35]; sizeof(foo) == 35.... as long as it's not a function argument Jul 23 00:17:12 (if it's a function argument, it's the same as sizeof(char*)) Jul 23 00:17:28 interesting. didn't know that tidbit Jul 23 00:17:31 zinx: also depends on the language Jul 23 00:17:32 you can also do it for implicit sizes via const strings Jul 23 00:17:42 nice Jul 23 00:17:46 didn't know that Jul 23 00:17:52 but then you statically allocated it Jul 23 00:17:52 zinx: if you write it like that, it's always 35 Jul 23 00:17:53 k4r1m: sure, but there aren't many languages that have 'sizeof' Jul 23 00:18:00 sipa1024: yes, but i meant: Jul 23 00:18:03 so the type is simply char[35] Jul 23 00:18:06 i know what you mean Jul 23 00:18:09 char foo[] = "foobar"; sizeof(foo) == 7 Jul 23 00:18:15 yet if you cast it to a char* Jul 23 00:18:20 it becomes 4 or 8 Jul 23 00:18:22 note that if you have char *foo = "foobar"; it's sizeof(char*), though. Jul 23 00:18:26 yes Jul 23 00:18:33 yeah ofcourse Jul 23 00:18:40 ah the nice subtleties of C :p Jul 23 00:18:46 yum Jul 23 00:18:56 is yum written in c? Jul 23 00:19:01 zinx: only applies to cstyle strings in this case right? Jul 23 00:19:18 that's still static, and I think a c99 or gcc thing only Jul 23 00:19:19 my favorite's that indexing (a[b]) is *(a+b), which means you can write b[a] instead :X Jul 23 00:19:39 yeah, that's pretty screwy. lol Jul 23 00:19:51 zinx: will that work if b is no pointer type? Jul 23 00:19:59 i think not Jul 23 00:20:00 k4r1m: you can take the size of any real array, but a pointer size will always be the sizeof that pointer Jul 23 00:20:08 sipa1024: yes. Jul 23 00:20:16 sipa1024: 0["hello"] == 'h' Jul 23 00:20:33 sipa1024: 1["hello"] == 'e' Jul 23 00:20:48 lol i like how to just randomly jumped into this topic Jul 23 00:20:50 &(a[b]) is actually (char*)a+sizeof(*a)*b Jul 23 00:20:52 sipa1024: int i = 2; i["hello"] == 'l' Jul 23 00:21:04 sipa1024: no it isn't Jul 23 00:21:16 but then the b argument must increase the point by sizeof(type) Jul 23 00:21:19 * sparkle__ sighs Jul 23 00:21:22 sizeof(typeof(b)) Jul 23 00:21:24 sipa1024: int *a; a += 1; // adds sizeof(int) to a Jul 23 00:21:28 hey Jul 23 00:21:32 o/ sparkle_ Jul 23 00:21:33 hey sparkle__ Jul 23 00:21:34 use this tutorial to root a cupcake, right? Jul 23 00:21:34 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 Jul 23 00:21:35 ok. wordpress is awesome heh Jul 23 00:21:39 zinx: yes Jul 23 00:21:45 hey jf Jul 23 00:21:51 gotta try this :) Jul 23 00:21:52 I read something funny today in a cisco book Jul 23 00:21:59 let me see if I can think of it Jul 23 00:22:16 SSA/NSSA Jul 23 00:22:20 i have to make a vhost for my mobile tech rants heh Jul 23 00:22:23 but I can't remember what it stands for Jul 23 00:23:07 Macer: you mean the touchbook? :) Jul 23 00:23:16 the vaporbook? Jul 23 00:23:19 ;) Jul 23 00:23:24 still waiting Jul 23 00:23:25 wow so what are the steps to root a cupcake phone? Jul 23 00:23:26 heh Jul 23 00:23:45 Lieutenant: depends entirely on which phone Jul 23 00:23:47 Lieutenant: same as you root anything. stick it in water and wait a few days Jul 23 00:23:49 Lieutenant: too late. you missed the window Jul 23 00:23:55 zinx: nice one, does work indeed :) Jul 23 00:24:06 G1 cupcake Jul 23 00:24:11 not even a warning Jul 23 00:24:14 now you have to wire up a jtag com port Jul 23 00:24:14 Lieutenant: same way you root any other version Jul 23 00:24:19 Lieutenant: downgrade Jul 23 00:24:21 sipa1024: ;) Jul 23 00:24:23 and run a hack through it Jul 23 00:24:37 oh okay Jul 23 00:24:38 cool Jul 23 00:24:44 get solder Jul 23 00:24:54 Macer: that's the MyTouch version :P Jul 23 00:25:02 ah Jul 23 00:25:07 ok then. nm Jul 23 00:25:11 zinx: so it's really a[b] = *(a+b), yet a+b only evaluates to a pointer if exactly one of a and b is a pointer :) Jul 23 00:25:19 sipa1024: yup Jul 23 00:25:32 ah Jul 23 00:26:02 so theoretically, a[-b] could evaluate to an integer, if both a and b are pointers? ;) Jul 23 00:26:16 sipa1024: haha, don't think so Jul 23 00:26:22 don't think so either Jul 23 00:26:26 sipa1024: the inner (-b) is evaluated first Jul 23 00:26:26 that would be a syntax error I think Jul 23 00:26:28 since -p is not defined for pointer Jul 23 00:26:33 yeah Jul 23 00:26:36 exactly Jul 23 00:26:38 one of the best things i like about c++ is the ability to use an unsigned char with a custom stack Jul 23 00:27:12 ? Jul 23 00:27:47 such as unsigned char blah[sizeof(int *) + sizeof(void *) + sizeof(char *)] Jul 23 00:28:06 ? Jul 23 00:28:19 that are ints aren't they? Jul 23 00:28:32 and then store an int*, a void* and a char* in this array? Jul 23 00:28:35 where do you get "custom stack" from that? Jul 23 00:28:46 no, that's the length Jul 23 00:28:49 sipa1024: yeah Jul 23 00:29:00 ah? Jul 23 00:29:04 oh, got it Jul 23 00:29:08 k4r1m: done something similar once :) Jul 23 00:29:15 something like a union? Jul 23 00:29:21 tmzt: no, like a struct Jul 23 00:29:23 so, why don't you make a struct of an *int, a void* and a char*? Jul 23 00:29:32 i learned it when i was some development :D Jul 23 00:29:35 Ge0rG: not knowing it at compile time Jul 23 00:29:44 but you could cast that to a struct*? Jul 23 00:29:49 yes Jul 23 00:29:57 although a struct might do some alignment Jul 23 00:30:01 wait, aren't the pointers the same size anyway? Jul 23 00:30:10 no they are not Jul 23 00:30:14 k4r1m: sure they are Jul 23 00:30:21 tmzt: on most machines, but they aren't defined to be Jul 23 00:30:30 ok, true Jul 23 00:30:33 tmzt: the only definition is that a void* can hold the largest pointer type Jul 23 00:30:36 well yeah, but so much is not defined Jul 23 00:30:36 sipa1024: there are almost no valid situations where you need to store a pointer to an yet unknown type in a char array... Jul 23 00:30:39 ah Jul 23 00:30:42 interesting Jul 23 00:30:55 is this all k&r stuff I should have read somewhere? Jul 23 00:31:15 Ge0rG: where i needed it, it wasn't a char array, just a malloc'ed void* Jul 23 00:31:26 much more interesting is: how big is a pointer to a member function of a class? :> Jul 23 00:31:32 C89 / C99 stuff Jul 23 00:31:43 Ge0rG: in theory or in practice? Jul 23 00:31:49 sipa1024: yes Jul 23 00:31:57 how does decoration work anyway? Jul 23 00:32:02 i think i used that when i use doing game development trying to call .so libary functions at runtime Jul 23 00:32:26 Ge0rG: taking a pointer to a member function isn't defined in C++, afaik Jul 23 00:32:27 linux debug symbols ^^^ too bad windows is gay Jul 23 00:32:37 Ge0rG: g++ has an extension to do it Jul 23 00:32:46 can you always treat a class as a struct? Jul 23 00:33:09 gcc has an extension to to a pointer to a *label* inside a function, and *goto* it later on :) Jul 23 00:33:14 *take Jul 23 00:33:21 yes, it does Jul 23 00:34:03 man now i feel like coding again lol Jul 23 00:34:27 my work here is done :D Jul 23 00:35:07 stupid sherpa doesnt support canadian cities :( Jul 23 00:36:00 zinx: it is, but the syntax is so horrible that nobody bothers to actually use it. Jul 23 00:36:08 what's sherpa? Jul 23 00:36:10 (its even more horrible than using TMP) Jul 23 00:36:23 TMP? Jul 23 00:36:39 template meta programming Jul 23 00:36:49 okay Jul 23 00:36:50 so Jul 23 00:37:00 ok Jul 23 00:37:08 just found it Jul 23 00:37:10 i am probably VERY stupid, but i just added the local_manifest.xml file, and it's giving the error Jul 23 00:37:10 Jul 23 00:37:10 Jul 23 00:37:10 Jul 23 00:37:10 Jul 23 00:37:11 Jul 23 00:37:13 Jul 23 00:37:18 sipa1024: it's an app that was just leaked from tmobile that is like "local directory" but more fancy and visual Jul 23 00:37:20 .... wow, sorry. stupid X11 clipboard. Jul 23 00:37:44 error.ManifestParseError: project kernel/common not found is the error it is giving Jul 23 00:37:47 STOP Jul 23 00:37:48 Hunterkll: lol pastebin.ca and #android-dev Jul 23 00:38:06 TommyB, it was an error Jul 23 00:38:10 k Jul 23 00:38:17 i'll show you an error... Jul 23 00:38:24 TommyB, I meant to post a one line error, not the entire manifest file. :) Jul 23 00:38:31 fail Jul 23 00:38:34 TommyB: lol you are probably thinking in ur head again "geeks!" Jul 23 00:38:46 yeah youre all on a different planet Jul 23 00:39:18 lol im on mars and zinx is on jupitar Jul 23 00:39:48 and im on URF Jul 23 00:39:55 * sipa1024 live from uranus Jul 23 00:40:07 k4r1m, okay, i thought android-dev was for just application dev. guess I was wrong. :) Jul 23 00:40:12 anyways back to -offtopic, 1 channel at a time, hate multitasking Jul 23 00:40:14 lata Jul 23 00:40:16 Hunterkll: change it to refs/heads/android-msm-2.6.27 Jul 23 00:40:27 the remove-project part? Jul 23 00:40:32 that's what it's choking on Jul 23 00:40:36 Hunterkll: and change platform/vendor/htc/dream to platform/vendor/htc/dream-only Jul 23 00:40:48 Hunterkll: oh, then just remove that part Jul 23 00:41:09 Hunterkll: there may have been another project added though, might have to remove the other :x Jul 23 00:41:54 the 'Building for Dream' instructions need updated :x Jul 23 00:42:00 yes, yes they do :( Jul 23 00:42:09 so -2.6.27 and remove the HTC part? Jul 23 00:42:27 yeah Jul 23 00:42:28 Eight inches ... Nine, and still growing. His erection was now Jul 23 00:42:53 WHAT. Jul 23 00:43:00 WTF? Jul 23 00:43:20 half as thick as his own wrist as -with a grunt of sexual ecstasy- he Jul 23 00:43:20 began to spurt enormous quantities of cum into Christa's throat. Jul 23 00:43:20 Greedily, she slurped and sucked on him as the tingle began to fade. Drop Jul 23 00:43:20 by drop, she tried to stem the stream, but enormous quantities spilled out Jul 23 00:43:20 from around her mouth. Nearly a minute passed, as Curt reached and Jul 23 00:43:20 he's been telling that story three times already that i've seen Jul 23 00:43:29 i think MrBrett joined the wrong channel.... Jul 23 00:43:43 I have seen that bot before Jul 23 00:43:50 wtf...? Jul 23 00:43:52 it seems to target this channel only Jul 23 00:43:54 VERIZON! Jul 23 00:43:57 lol Jul 23 00:44:01 no wonder Jul 23 00:44:02 verizon spy? Jul 23 00:44:03 :) Jul 23 00:44:30 nah Jul 23 00:44:39 it s an international Channel Jul 23 00:44:49 verizon is not internation is it Jul 23 00:44:55 i wonder what its purpuse is Jul 23 00:45:06 *purpose Jul 23 00:45:09 sipa1024: some people have way too much free time on their hands Jul 23 00:45:13 i mean, it's a bot made by verizon to disrupt us Jul 23 00:45:14 :) Jul 23 00:46:49 it's an iboy Jul 23 00:46:51 ibot Jul 23 00:47:09 lol Jul 23 00:47:17 Steve Jobs wrote that shit Jul 23 00:47:27 damn he is back Jul 23 00:47:29 lol Jul 23 00:48:07 type /ignore *!*@pool-138-88-88-221.res.east.verizon.net all Jul 23 00:57:38 yo i need help Jul 23 00:57:49 so after my friend downgrades his phone Jul 23 00:58:01 he still wont be able to get into it because he needs to sign in Jul 23 00:58:04 he doesn't have a data plan Jul 23 00:58:50 # Download recovery.img and copy it to your SD card (see the previous instructions on how to copy from your computer to your Phone's SD card). Jul 23 00:58:50 # Download the Hard SPL and copy the zip file to the SD card. Jul 23 00:58:50 # All files must be on the root of your SD card. Jul 23 00:58:50 # Restart your phone. Wait for your phone to start up fully and show the home screen. Jul 23 00:59:02 that part he wont be able to do Jul 23 00:59:04 to root his phone Jul 23 01:01:37 anyone? Jul 23 01:03:15 <_Auron_> Lieutenant: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316 Jul 23 01:06:55 oh Jul 23 01:06:58 u dont need root to do that? Jul 23 01:07:09 i knew about that guide, i just thought u needed root Jul 23 01:08:53 harrr Jul 23 01:12:22 zinx, Jul 23 01:12:23 Jul 23 01:12:23 Jul 23 01:12:23 Jul 23 01:12:23 Jul 23 01:12:24 Jul 23 01:12:26 Jul 23 01:12:28 ...... wow, i'm an IDIOT Jul 23 01:12:52 Why do I have three different clipboards that use three different key combinations and one that uses a mouse trigger? Jul 23 01:12:57 :X Jul 23 01:13:04 error: Cannot fetch platform/vendor/htc/dream-only Jul 23 01:13:09 doh Jul 23 01:13:15 switch it back to dream then :x Jul 23 01:13:18 i thought it changed Jul 23 01:13:37 it's dream-open Jul 23 01:14:09 ohhh Jul 23 01:14:10 (I'm hunting for approval to fix the issue by getting rid of the need for local_manifest entirely) Jul 23 01:14:12 oops :x Jul 23 01:14:23 jbq, thank you :) Jul 23 01:14:54 <- doesn't have that great a memory :) Jul 23 01:15:18 argh Jul 23 01:15:28 well hello Jul 23 01:15:29 (I was hoping to get all the changes done within 24 hours of one another, but hunting for approvers has been taking forever) Jul 23 01:15:38 heh Jul 23 01:18:09 none of my apps show up in the market when i click my download, what's going on? Jul 23 01:19:02 twois10: post OTA upgrade? Jul 23 01:19:24 that happened to me after the 1.5 OTA upgrade, I only got them to show up by reinstalling them Jul 23 01:19:57 dkr: after update, wipe, am using cyanogen 3.6, and a2sd Jul 23 01:20:12 whats OTA? Jul 23 01:20:21 over then air Jul 23 01:20:34 or, out the ass Jul 23 01:20:43 what s so good about cynanogen Jul 23 01:20:46 depends what the topic is about Jul 23 01:20:52 zelrikriando: he makes god piss himself Jul 23 01:21:04 dkr: what is OTA? Jul 23 01:21:14 fleebailey33: does it have a nice music widget Jul 23 01:21:20 zelrikriando: one sec Jul 23 01:21:35 zelrikriando: i use this Jul 23 01:21:37 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475917 Jul 23 01:21:42 use it with cynagon Jul 23 01:22:01 (fleebailey33:#android) zelrikriando: he makes god piss himself Jul 23 01:22:01 i use the double stuff with white dialer Jul 23 01:22:02 lol Jul 23 01:22:09 ohai cyanogen Jul 23 01:22:12 :) Jul 23 01:22:26 love your work :) Jul 23 01:22:33 thanks! Jul 23 01:22:39 cyanogen: are you the real guy? Jul 23 01:22:46 fleebailey33: can you stop the music from playing while the screen is locked? Jul 23 01:22:55 zelrikriando: i have no idea Jul 23 01:23:03 from xda yeah Jul 23 01:23:25 hey cyanogen, question: I'm running your ROM in the emulator and it doesn't have rm, ls, and cp. What's up with that? Jul 23 01:23:29 fleebailey33: if I dont have that feature, it s junk :p Jul 23 01:23:34 cyanogen: ohhh, i had a question for you Jul 23 01:23:39 cyanogen: great job on all your work, kernel, including the build Jul 23 01:23:59 good Jul 23 01:24:00 finally Jul 23 01:24:03 it's because they are symlinked during install Jul 23 01:24:03 i have the source tree Jul 23 01:24:05 my wifi is wpa2, and it takes the phone a while to see, it scans the wep first, its just annoying, think thats something you could fix? Jul 23 01:24:12 or wait for the google gods? Jul 23 01:24:32 i've had bad luck trying to fix wifi problems :) Jul 23 01:24:35 not a big deal, was just wondering Jul 23 01:24:41 There are still stuff I cant avoid in my Hero rom Jul 23 01:24:43 heh, maybe ill use my neighbors wep Jul 23 01:24:50 so I guess I ll keep using it Jul 23 01:24:51 they "Gave" me there key Jul 23 01:25:25 cyanogen: i dont want to stress you. but i do have an issue where my apps are not showing on the market under mydownloads. Jul 23 01:25:44 happens to everyone i think Jul 23 01:25:58 jesus christ man let the guy irc a bit Jul 23 01:25:59 :) Jul 23 01:25:59 after you wipe, if you have them on sd Jul 23 01:26:08 hahhaha Jul 23 01:26:08 yes i have them on sd Jul 23 01:26:20 i was gonna ask how much beer he wanted Jul 23 01:26:21 :P Jul 23 01:26:23 i thought about making something to update the market database Jul 23 01:26:35 but i just use atrackdog Jul 23 01:26:41 cyanogen: can I stop the music while the screen is locked on your rom :p ? Jul 23 01:26:46 no Jul 23 01:26:57 cyanogen: ok, thanks, but great job once again Jul 23 01:26:57 zelrikriando: get a2dp headphones Jul 23 01:27:05 if you yank the headphones it will pause Jul 23 01:27:11 :P Jul 23 01:27:30 im getting 3g this quarter in my city :P Jul 23 01:27:35 im so excited Jul 23 01:27:44 hmm Jul 23 01:28:02 The hero rom can do that on the screen Jul 23 01:28:14 I can change track and stuff Jul 23 01:28:19 so use the hero rom Jul 23 01:28:20 :P Jul 23 01:28:30 I do Jul 23 01:28:35 but it's a slow rom Jul 23 01:28:43 yup Jul 23 01:28:44 so I was looking at other options Jul 23 01:28:53 buy a htc hero Jul 23 01:28:57 but then the Hero rom still rocks Jul 23 01:29:11 fleebailey33: The magic is same hardware Jul 23 01:29:32 more or less Jul 23 01:29:45 same proc,same ram... Jul 23 01:30:30 cyanogen: is it safe to use libandroid_runtime.so from build 3.6.5 on 3.6.8.1? Jul 23 01:30:54 no it wont boot Jul 23 01:30:58 missing native methods Jul 23 01:31:14 i did, but it booted Jul 23 01:31:18 if you use the framework.jar from 3.6.5 it will work Jul 23 01:31:23 maybe I ll try cyanogen's rom if the hero starts to piss me off too much Jul 23 01:31:27 although i am guessing you are installing the hero theme Jul 23 01:31:36 cyanogen: yeah, that is why Jul 23 01:32:19 where is the framework.jar located? Jul 23 01:33:36 lol, never mind Jul 23 01:34:05 does anyone know of a site I can go to find a graphics designer that can make me a launcher icon for my app, at a reasonable price? Jul 23 01:34:35 getafreelancer.com Jul 23 01:34:39 rent-a-coder? Jul 23 01:34:44 :P Jul 23 01:34:56 coding I can do ;) it's graphics where I fail Jul 23 01:35:07 ask in a mac channel Jul 23 01:35:08 :P Jul 23 01:35:16 lol Jul 23 01:35:17 GNCMatt: contrary to its name, rent-a-coder has a gfx category ;) Jul 23 01:35:25 oh, nice Jul 23 01:35:32 GNCMatt: i got somebody Jul 23 01:35:40 what would be a going rate for this kinda thing? Jul 23 01:35:44 my brother, although he is an idiot sometimes Jul 23 01:35:54 GNCMatt: hes in highschool you could pay him nothing Jul 23 01:36:03 better yet, go to a photoshop channel, and say gimp is better, make a mock one in gimp that looks like shit and tell them "if photoshop is better, then out DO that" Jul 23 01:36:04 :P Jul 23 01:36:04 hes actually really good Jul 23 01:36:22 sammyF: lol Jul 23 01:37:01 cyanogen: what is the major difference from the 2 framework.jar? Jul 23 01:37:06 works for me fleebailey33, I was about 5 minutes from going with this pos I made: http://bbm.mattsfiles.com/favicon.ico Jul 23 01:57:24 whos here Jul 23 01:57:34 i am Jul 23 01:57:40 just got home :) Jul 23 01:57:47 sweet Jul 23 01:58:03 i know youre a tmo guy, know much about android? :) Jul 23 01:58:15 i know a great deal about android. Jul 23 01:58:19 awesome Jul 23 01:58:42 Does ADT have issues with galileo or 64-bit Ubuntu 9.04? Jul 23 01:58:45 my callerid is fubar, and im offering $20 to whoever gives me the winning suggestion that isnt "wipe" Jul 23 01:59:02 I'm trying to set the ADT path in the preferences, but no targets ever show up Jul 23 01:59:06 TommyBres: is your phone rooted? Jul 23 01:59:11 incoming, outgoing, missed all say "unknown" Jul 23 01:59:15 yes jasta, it is Jul 23 01:59:25 well first then i would scope out your contacts database Jul 23 01:59:34 and see if somehow entries in it are all fucked up Jul 23 01:59:35 its an adp, with apps to sd, running cyanogen 3.6.8.1 Jul 23 01:59:44 so I want to put jachero on my G1, I'm a noob to flashing the G1, but figure I can pull it off Jul 23 01:59:56 jasta where is that located? Jul 23 01:59:59 I understand I need to update the spl and then the radio, but not sure how I do this? Jul 23 02:00:01 if all that checks out, i'd frankly just compile whatever version of android you're running on the phone and hook up a debugger to the contacts app Jul 23 02:00:37 is it worth it? Jul 23 02:00:51 nonversation update radio to 1.5 first Jul 23 02:00:54 well if you know anything at all about android the debugger step would be trivial Jul 23 02:01:05 how do I do that? sorry im a noob, and is it worth doing? Jul 23 02:01:12 ....consider me retarded Jul 23 02:01:21 yes running a cm build is worth doing Jul 23 02:01:31 TommyBres: just a quick glance at the source suggests it would be under /data/data/com.android.providers.contacts/databases/contacts.db Jul 23 02:01:34 advantages? does the market still work Jul 23 02:01:47 alrighty.. h/o 1 sec Jul 23 02:01:51 TommyBres: look around in the source code to the missed calls screen to find some of the queries it's running and see if you can inspect the database in a similar fashion Jul 23 02:01:51 tommybres your working on the caller id? Jul 23 02:02:49 jachero looks nice, but I dont know what advantage it has over my current Cupcake Jul 23 02:02:58 noonehereyet yes Jul 23 02:03:59 ? Jul 23 02:04:40 nonversation: I have a hero rom, its great Jul 23 02:04:56 crap, i just accidentally did a wipe Jul 23 02:05:01 just a bit slow Jul 23 02:05:04 is it faster? can you still use market? Jul 23 02:05:16 nonversation: Hero != fast Jul 23 02:05:33 so the jachero rom is faster than the current cupcake 1.5 Jul 23 02:05:37 I can use the market Jul 23 02:05:38 i have a class 6 microsd Jul 23 02:05:41 8gb Jul 23 02:06:09 jasta, 2 files in there, contacts.db and contacts-j31nh...db Jul 23 02:06:24 The hero has FEATURES Jul 23 02:06:27 it says first I have to update the spl and radio, but I dont know how to do it Jul 23 02:06:27 but no speed Jul 23 02:06:29 at all Jul 23 02:06:29 :p Jul 23 02:06:39 im reading the xda forums and they are all over place Jul 23 02:06:41 I updated the spl Jul 23 02:06:44 not the radio Jul 23 02:06:49 no real step by step instructions Jul 23 02:07:09 nonversation, ohplz Jul 23 02:07:10 nonversation: come on, I wrote it Jul 23 02:07:22 for the magic at least Jul 23 02:07:23 :p Jul 23 02:07:34 if you have a dream, just forget it Jul 23 02:07:41 go to dream android development, sticky with how-to's Jul 23 02:07:45 I have a g1, dream Jul 23 02:07:50 and how to root includes spl upgrade Jul 23 02:08:00 nonversation: then the Hero is NOT for you Jul 23 02:08:03 so I have to root to do the spl Jul 23 02:08:16 you should root anyways Jul 23 02:08:32 I want to root, but it looks to be a major pain in the ass to do Jul 23 02:08:42 15 mins Jul 23 02:08:48 I dont want to lose anything on the phone Jul 23 02:08:52 apps and contacts, photos etc Jul 23 02:08:56 do you need root really? Jul 23 02:08:59 I didnt root mine Jul 23 02:09:02 need? nah Jul 23 02:09:09 do i use it a lot? yup Jul 23 02:09:31 roms are usually rooted Jul 23 02:09:31 couldnt have my apps on the sd card without root, and i have over 120 megs of apps Jul 23 02:09:32 no? Jul 23 02:09:50 well thats nice tommy, i want my apps to save and run by default from SD Jul 23 02:09:52 if you dont root your phone, no single image will give you root Jul 23 02:09:57 and not the internal memory Jul 23 02:10:12 nonversation you need root for that :P Jul 23 02:10:13 oh Jul 23 02:10:29 so i should root, and I wont lose my stuff? Jul 23 02:10:33 I didnt success to root my phone Jul 23 02:10:45 nonversation i cant guarantee that Jul 23 02:10:59 TommyBres: wow.. that's a lot of apps! Jul 23 02:11:04 anyway to back up everything from the phone itself to the computer? Jul 23 02:11:08 haha a little bit yeah Jul 23 02:11:29 nonversation, contacts are automatically backed up Jul 23 02:11:47 apps are in market under my downloads to be reinstalled Jul 23 02:11:54 nice Jul 23 02:11:58 and pics can be xferred to computer Jul 23 02:12:24 will I have to re register, like I did when the phone was new? sadly im on att with no data plan and I do everything over wifi Jul 23 02:12:25 nonversation: Astro will backup all your apps to the sdcard Jul 23 02:12:40 yeah probably will Jul 23 02:12:43 =/ Jul 23 02:12:51 radix_ how does that work? Jul 23 02:13:04 Astro has an Application manager option Jul 23 02:13:09 under Menu Jul 23 02:13:16 orly? Jul 23 02:13:22 tick the checkbox for backup all apps - click Backup Jul 23 02:13:23 So once I get root, should I try jachero on my G1? or some other rom? Jul 23 02:13:34 it copies the apk's for every installed app to /backup/apps Jul 23 02:13:40 on your sdcard Jul 23 02:13:57 id recommend cyanogen 3.6.8, nonversation Jul 23 02:14:02 apps like MyBackupPro do the same, and backup your settings too Jul 23 02:14:04 3.6.8.1 *** Jul 23 02:14:16 brb back to fishing Jul 23 02:15:23 looks like cyanogen is working on 3.9 - wish he'd port it to Magic 32A! ;) Jul 23 02:15:39 k so Jul 23 02:15:42 my phone said i have TWO updates available? Jul 23 02:15:43 wtf Jul 23 02:15:48 sweet, my official myTouch 3G just shipped :) Jul 23 02:16:13 damn this new irc app lol Jul 23 02:16:33 actually Jul 23 02:16:42 no terminal emulator works on my device Jul 23 02:16:43 android IRC? Jul 23 02:16:47 gah frustrating, through lolcats and bugreports and fishing around the device i cant figure this out Jul 23 02:16:59 jpa-- im trying out a new one, DaraIRC Jul 23 02:17:10 ahhh Jul 23 02:17:10 how is it? Jul 23 02:17:10 TommyBres: your caller id issue? i'm certain it's a simple fix but you will need to look at source code. Jul 23 02:17:14 i usually use the free androidirc Jul 23 02:17:23 Ok I am here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 23 02:17:26 i have a full version :) Jul 23 02:17:32 TommyBres: can you read Java? :) Jul 23 02:17:33 ...full? lol Jul 23 02:17:42 will go with this rom on my G1, once I figure out what Im supposed to do Jul 23 02:17:43 so you paid $5 to do what i do for free Jul 23 02:17:52 nope Jul 23 02:17:52 got it from the dev Jul 23 02:17:54 but I dont see how to do it Jul 23 02:18:04 im in canada where we don't have paid app access Jul 23 02:18:06 he felt bad and hooked me up Jul 23 02:18:08 and yeah jasta it very well may be simple but im too stupid to figure it out lol Jul 23 02:18:31 it doesn't seem to me like you're trying at all Jul 23 02:18:54 well im being told to do shit i have no clue how to do Jul 23 02:19:05 is there a terminal emulator that actually works on the magic??? Jul 23 02:19:15 there is no "try" to hook up a debugging tool, theres just me being clueless Jul 23 02:19:24 TommyBres: so perhaps you should go back to a non-rooted phone so us real developers can do everything for you :) Jul 23 02:19:33 *zing* Jul 23 02:19:39 ...i have an adp, how can i unroot it? Jul 23 02:19:40 kthx Jul 23 02:19:42 So TommyBres how do I flash that rom, on my G1, I assume I have to get root, how do I do that? Jul 23 02:19:57 TommyBres: an official build, then. one that si supported by real developers :) Jul 23 02:20:04 nonversation you google "how to get root g1" Jul 23 02:20:31 jasta if this phone wasnt a piece of shit with 78mb for all apps, i wouldnt have a problem Jul 23 02:20:35 ok i found instructions in the wiki Jul 23 02:20:36 thanks Jul 23 02:20:40 uh-huh. Jul 23 02:20:44 unfortunately my gps app alone takes up like 16 megs Jul 23 02:20:59 why would a gps app take 16MB? how does that make sense? Jul 23 02:21:06 jasta, ask vol Jul 23 02:21:11 his company released it Jul 23 02:21:18 uhmm Jul 23 02:21:19 copilot gps Jul 23 02:21:30 jpa--: do you have a terminal emulator Jul 23 02:21:32 anyone have any idea what to do if efnet keeps k-lining me from EVERY server whenever im tethering Jul 23 02:21:49 jpa k-line means dont come back Jul 23 02:22:53 it says i have to format my microsd as fat32, but I dont have a microsd adapter Jul 23 02:23:02 can I use gparted while the sd card is mounted? Jul 23 02:23:22 no it wont recognize it from a livecd Jul 23 02:23:33 no , i run linux, gparted is installed Jul 23 02:23:35 but yes you can format it while mounted Jul 23 02:23:36 oh you're not supposed to mount? Jul 23 02:23:40 oh ok, then yes Jul 23 02:23:56 so just connect the phone via usb, and run gparted and format to fat32 Jul 23 02:24:02 jpa-- ive heard people say not to... but it works, *shrug* Jul 23 02:24:18 nonversation its not already fat32? Jul 23 02:24:23 it should be... Jul 23 02:24:47 hrmm Jul 23 02:24:51 is there an emulator that works on the magic Jul 23 02:24:56 for apps on the sd card you need an ext2 partition and a fat32, for all else it should be all fat32 Jul 23 02:25:04 terminal emulator Jul 23 02:25:05 that is Jul 23 02:25:07 i still can't partition my sdcard... not really problems, just stupid barriers Jul 23 02:25:13 hm Jul 23 02:28:00 ok under gparted microsd shows up as fat32 Jul 23 02:28:06 so its fine Jul 23 02:28:32 i read after rooting, i should install a hard spl, but which one? Jul 23 02:30:06 theres a link to it on a walkthrough on xda devs Jul 23 02:32:50 There is no terminal emulator Jul 23 02:32:54 Hmm... issues with the xda wiki atm.. I made a typo on one page and can't fix it! Jul 23 02:32:58 so I cannot test if I have root Jul 23 02:33:17 lol Jul 23 02:33:30 zelrikirando sure you can Jul 23 02:33:40 get an app like screenshot, and take a screenshot Jul 23 02:33:59 if the screenshot ends up taken on the sdcard, you have root Jul 23 02:34:06 TommyBres: I want a fu**ing terminal Jul 23 02:34:16 i know, i cant help you Jul 23 02:34:21 then download terminal emulator on the market Jul 23 02:34:23 it takes 2 seconds Jul 23 02:34:27 but you can at least find out youre rooted Jul 23 02:34:33 rumsey: NONE works on the magic Jul 23 02:34:43 ah Jul 23 02:35:25 adb Jul 23 02:35:28 or telnetd Jul 23 02:35:35 is there an app like screenshot Jul 23 02:36:00 that's what TommyBres just said Jul 23 02:36:07 I dont find it Jul 23 02:36:22 I dont find that app Jul 23 02:36:30 <_MrApple_> hey I don't run android but I've been looking into it and it seems pretty awesome does any one know if it can be run on a Blackberry or Samsung Omnia? Jul 23 02:37:01 wifi tether Jul 23 02:37:30 android Jul 23 02:37:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-987Axfrse0 Jul 23 02:39:24 TommyBres: where is that app Jul 23 02:39:54 rofl Jul 23 02:39:55 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/niemann/posts/2009/02/16stepping.jpg Jul 23 02:40:23 haha Jul 23 02:40:47 zelrikriando its $2.99 Jul 23 02:41:24 omg i just had the best idea ever Jul 23 02:41:30 * JesusFreke runs away Jul 23 02:41:35 i gotta contact the androidirc dev Jul 23 02:43:03 TommyBres: where is it Jul 23 02:43:10 on market? Jul 23 02:43:21 I seem to not have the paid market Jul 23 02:43:37 ...are you from US/UK? Jul 23 02:43:43 Canada Jul 23 02:43:48 k Jul 23 02:44:00 google for "market enabler android google code" Jul 23 02:45:15 Speaking of the Market... When are we going to see enhancements to the Market? Anybody know? Jul 23 02:45:29 the day before armageddon Jul 23 02:45:35 lol Jul 23 02:45:49 <_MrApple_> what about Blackberrys? Jul 23 02:46:05 <_MrApple_> any one get android to run on a blackberry? Jul 23 02:46:06 ok got my phone rooted, which Hard spl should I use on my G1 Jul 23 02:46:09 or does it matter Jul 23 02:46:14 with adc voting maybe? donut? Jul 23 02:46:28 theres only one "hardspl" i think nonversation Jul 23 02:46:55 nex, maybe with donut, eclair or frosted donut Jul 23 02:46:59 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860 Jul 23 02:47:01 ha Jul 23 02:47:02 which one of these Jul 23 02:47:13 splhard1 Jul 23 02:47:50 hardspl Jul 23 02:48:03 not original g1 spl, not engineering bootloader Jul 23 02:48:45 TommyBres: but which hardspl? I can't decide between the 1 of them. Jul 23 02:48:49 ;) Jul 23 02:48:55 haha Jul 23 02:49:47 hardspl in french means engineering bootloader, thats where the confusion came from jesusfreke Jul 23 02:49:56 ahh. it all makes sense now Jul 23 02:50:02 damn french Jul 23 02:50:14 haha my thoughts eggzachary Jul 23 02:53:22 ok I got the paid for market Jul 23 02:53:36 I am not sure I want to buy apps yet though Jul 23 02:54:18 conveniently enough, no ones forcing you... yet. Jul 23 02:54:32 lol Jul 23 02:54:38 I think the market enabler uses root access though Jul 23 02:54:41 why did you go to the trouble of getting access to paid apps.. if you aren't planning on buying any? lol Jul 23 02:54:45 so I guess it s rooted Jul 23 02:55:10 JesusFreke: curiosity? Jul 23 02:55:24 JesusFreke where did you learn to make ROMs? Jul 23 02:55:24 as good a reason as any :) Jul 23 02:55:28 JesusFreke: it also lets you install "protected" apps Jul 23 02:55:33 nflava: lol. Jul 23 02:55:34 nflava: android roms for dummies Jul 23 02:55:55 k4r1m: what do you mean by protected apps Jul 23 02:56:00 lotsa reading or are you a programmer for your day job Jul 23 02:56:07 yep Jul 23 02:56:18 been programming since I was a teenager Jul 23 02:56:21 zelrikriando: some apps are only avaliable in certain regions Jul 23 02:56:25 i wanna learn how to program apps but have not gotten too far Jul 23 02:56:26 ok Jul 23 02:56:31 JesusFreke: QBASIC ftw Jul 23 02:56:42 k4r1m: that's what I started on :) Jul 23 02:56:45 JesusFreke: how old are you now? Jul 23 02:56:48 hehe qbasic Jul 23 02:56:49 late 20s Jul 23 02:56:54 JesusFreke: thats what everyone started on lol Jul 23 02:57:06 nibbles lol Jul 23 02:57:08 eh, imagine you pay for an app Jul 23 02:57:13 then you wipe your phone Jul 23 02:57:19 sweet Jul 23 02:57:19 and want to download it again Jul 23 02:57:20 zelrikriando: it will still be there Jul 23 02:57:22 its gone forever. google ate it. Jul 23 02:57:22 do you pay again? Jul 23 02:57:23 ok Jul 23 02:57:29 is it best to learn all java commands before jumping into android programming Jul 23 02:57:33 so i went back in darairc to do something Jul 23 02:57:44 darairc crashes Jul 23 02:57:52 nflava: java is garbage Jul 23 02:57:58 and then, a force close message for ALARM CLOCK Jul 23 02:57:59 learn c++ first Jul 23 02:58:02 ah Jul 23 02:58:05 then you can adapt to everything Jul 23 02:58:07 but i have no alarm set! Jul 23 02:58:08 k4r1m: interesting...how come Jul 23 02:58:14 except objective-c which is a phail Jul 23 02:58:26 how is alarm clock crashing with no alarms? why is it running? Jul 23 02:58:46 why is android so impossible lol Jul 23 02:58:49 i just need to study most of what is discussed in here lol Jul 23 02:59:27 lots of apps create alarms, that's why it is running I'm sure ;) Jul 23 02:59:50 haha riiight **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 23 02:59:57 2009