**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 14 02:59:56 2009 Nov 14 03:02:44 why is there no facebook chat on the droid? Nov 14 03:02:56 what the hell is that about? Nov 14 03:03:22 uh, idk. Herby. Nov 14 03:03:24 :( Nov 14 03:03:33 facebook chat, what's that Nov 14 03:03:33 heh Nov 14 03:03:35 Herby, go install ebuddy Nov 14 03:03:55 why does ebuddy require a signin for ebuddy itself Nov 14 03:03:57 Facebook on android=an app not made by google/verizon/anybody. AFAIK it's made by the facebook guys Nov 14 03:04:06 why can't it connect directly to the im services Nov 14 03:04:11 ebuddy is a serverside connection Nov 14 03:04:23 you can connect to the same stuff via the web browser in android, or even your home computer Nov 14 03:04:28 its similar to meebo Nov 14 03:04:34 indeed, I sort of understand the reasoning behind it, but it'd be nice if it connected directly to the IM services instead Nov 14 03:05:09 it does, but its made to make things more simple for the end user, "connect to all your IM services with one username and password!" Nov 14 03:05:11 :-) Nov 14 03:05:17 I don't like it Nov 14 03:05:18 kinda like pidgin? Nov 14 03:05:22 I just want to connect directly, like pidgin Nov 14 03:05:28 eh Nov 14 03:05:28 Herby, no Nov 14 03:05:31 yeah, it'd be super ideal if pidgin ran on droid Nov 14 03:05:33 yea Nov 14 03:05:36 that'd be awesome Nov 14 03:05:41 pfn, ebuddy stays connected excellently though Nov 14 03:05:41 or if libpurple were easily ported Nov 14 03:05:48 AakashPatel, I have no doubt about that Nov 14 03:06:03 meebo and shit disconnect like no oether ;) Nov 14 03:06:04 and server-side connects are good, because most IM services don't implement any sort of reliable delivery Nov 14 03:06:05 I like ebuddy :-) but i don't use it becuas ei don't care for IM clients. too much to stay connected to. i just use google talk :P' Nov 14 03:06:18 yeah, I have gtalk setup to use with my wife, heh Nov 14 03:06:26 so we can "text" for free Nov 14 03:06:58 why isnt pidgin on the droid Nov 14 03:07:04 someone make a better pidgin on the droid Nov 14 03:07:09 meembo or something Nov 14 03:07:17 because it's a pita to port pidgin to droid, I'm guessing Nov 14 03:07:20 or libpurple rather Nov 14 03:07:27 whats the deal with IMs on droid's internets anyawy Nov 14 03:07:29 port libpurple and then you're like 90% of the way there Nov 14 03:07:34 coz instant messaging is like, special internet Nov 14 03:07:40 huh Nov 14 03:07:46 what? Nov 14 03:07:52 well, its Nov 14 03:07:53 * pfn reads the android dev guide some more Nov 14 03:08:00 you know, instand Nov 14 03:08:05 Anyone know anything about why notifications wouldn't go away automatically without being cleared on its on Nov 14 03:08:07 Herby, IM's go through the regular nets if you dont use IM apps that come on the g1 and shit Nov 14 03:08:10 its pushed to your phone Nov 14 03:08:13 you dont poll it Nov 14 03:08:17 imperfect-, yeah, I wish they'd go away Nov 14 03:08:23 Herby, IM isn't a poll-based protocol Nov 14 03:08:35 well, it's "long-poll" based Nov 14 03:08:37 pfn: well if I don't use 3rd party SMS app Nov 14 03:08:40 it works fine Nov 14 03:08:41 whats long poll Nov 14 03:08:48 http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~dtbartle/pidroid/ Nov 14 03:08:49 * Herby sets up a joke Nov 14 03:08:57 dunno if this person is still working on it Nov 14 03:09:14 dammnn all these prereq's take forever to intsall Nov 14 03:09:18 damn, he ported all of those to android already? Nov 14 03:09:22 that's pretty impressive Nov 14 03:09:30 fact is Nov 14 03:09:35 nope. cant find the media player... Nov 14 03:09:38 Hey Nov 14 03:09:43 with t mobile, they ave a free internet thing Nov 14 03:09:44 any other recommendations? Nov 14 03:09:59 they let u use 40mb of internet per day if u top up £10 a month Nov 14 03:10:02 Is there an easy way to grab and xml file with display the contents in a pretty widget that refreshes ever 30 seconds? Nov 14 03:10:06 but no instant messaging is allowed Nov 14 03:10:24 so i was thinknig that it must be harder to get IM over the internets Nov 14 03:10:30 must be some weird Nov 14 03:10:33 thing Nov 14 03:10:48 is there anything like gaim for android? Nov 14 03:10:49 since obivously a single im message isnt large in size Nov 14 03:10:58 usually less than a kb Nov 14 03:10:58 imperfect-, gaim = pidgin Nov 14 03:11:14 yea yea yea Nov 14 03:11:15 meembo Nov 14 03:11:24 meebo Nov 14 03:11:26 is there anything like it for android thats not web based ;) Nov 14 03:11:26 there's meebo and ebuddy Nov 14 03:11:35 I dislike meebo and ebuddy because it makes me sign up for their service Nov 14 03:11:42 and I don't like the idea of giving my passwords over to them Nov 14 03:11:55 meebo isnt web based Nov 14 03:12:04 eh i wasnt okay with it either, but it was teh only thing i could do Nov 14 03:12:08 is it Nov 14 03:12:20 yea, it is Nov 14 03:12:21 lol Nov 14 03:12:24 pfn you struggle to truth people Nov 14 03:12:28 TRUTH Nov 14 03:12:29 TRUST Nov 14 03:12:33 haha Nov 14 03:12:35 FUCK i cant keep my eys open Nov 14 03:12:43 get off irc and sleep Nov 14 03:12:43 why should I trust a 3rd party with my passwords Nov 14 03:12:44 rumor is that facebook will soon be switching caht XMPP Nov 14 03:12:49 that's just plain stupid Nov 14 03:12:52 pfn, you trush google with it Nov 14 03:12:59 and then eventually allowing federation Nov 14 03:13:00 for the record - and for all those very interested people - WebOS actually does use libpurple for its IM, but it's a hacked version with limited protocols supported... apparently it's pretty easy to unhack it, or replace it with an unhacked one, and get more IM protocols Nov 14 03:13:01 AakashPatel, I don't give google any of my passwords Nov 14 03:13:03 not in the "im too physically weak to keep them open" way, but in the "shit keeps accumulating in my eyes and im blinking all the time" way Nov 14 03:13:18 einstein, sounds likely Nov 14 03:13:22 google account? Nov 14 03:13:24 so you could then federate with your gtalk account. Nov 14 03:13:24 you has one of those Nov 14 03:13:43 stupid eyes. whos idea was it to ahve only 2 eyes anyway? Nov 14 03:13:46 eyes are aweseome Nov 14 03:13:47 i want more Nov 14 03:13:51 AakashPatel, yeah, I have a single password I use with google, and google doesn't federate my passwords anywhere else Nov 14 03:14:19 heh Nov 14 03:14:34 google.com/dashboard ftw Nov 14 03:14:36 haha Nov 14 03:15:03 yeah, that's all *google* data Nov 14 03:15:21 they don't have any of my yahoo, aol, personal, etc. passwords Nov 14 03:15:31 listen Nov 14 03:15:41 Google is the future Nov 14 03:15:44 rofl Nov 14 03:15:47 especially with that gizmo5 acqusition Nov 14 03:16:05 when the hell will google voice come with android Nov 14 03:16:21 whenever you go in the market and download it Nov 14 03:16:24 ;) Nov 14 03:16:27 I dont have an account Nov 14 03:16:28 not everyone has google voice Nov 14 03:16:37 then how do you have google voice? Nov 14 03:16:53 uh Nov 14 03:16:55 I dont Nov 14 03:16:57 ... Nov 14 03:17:02 THen why are you complaining? lol Nov 14 03:17:05 i am andriod based Nov 14 03:17:06 wtf? Nov 14 03:17:10 I WANT IT Nov 14 03:17:15 Get an invite Nov 14 03:17:19 I GOT ONE Nov 14 03:17:27 * AakashPatel is confused Nov 14 03:17:30 google sent me an invite Nov 14 03:17:30 then login Nov 14 03:17:32 THat's sweet man Nov 14 03:17:37 dara is IRC Nov 14 03:17:37 i clicked it Nov 14 03:17:41 * pfn isn't interested by GV Nov 14 03:17:48 except for the voicemail->text transcription Nov 14 03:17:49 I use google voice mainly Nov 14 03:17:51 "Im sorry, but Google Voice is not currently available outside the US" Nov 14 03:17:55 i dont pay for messaging from ATT Nov 14 03:18:02 hahah Herby Nov 14 03:18:04 where you from? Nov 14 03:18:05 google fucking knows i live outside US why they send me email!!! to taunt me!!! Nov 14 03:18:05 free sms through GV is interesting, too Nov 14 03:18:09 uk Nov 14 03:18:10 pfn, it rocks Nov 14 03:18:14 Herby, use a proxy Nov 14 03:18:19 saves me 20 bucks a month lol Nov 14 03:18:21 but the free sms through GV is an utter PITA Nov 14 03:18:23 see bee ayy Nov 14 03:18:32 pfn, not really... Nov 14 03:19:41 eclair downloadingggg Nov 14 03:25:57 woo, time to update all my framework patches :-\ Nov 14 03:44:14 uhm, eclair sauce is out? Nov 14 03:44:22 I can repo sync it, but there are no 2.0 tags Nov 14 03:44:55 (i am not very familiar with git) Nov 14 03:45:25 keny: You did git tag? Nov 14 03:46:54 dont think so.. Nov 14 03:47:02 * keny man git-tag Nov 14 03:48:21 but I don't see any tags with 2.0 in the git.kernel.org web interface Nov 14 03:48:29 but there's an eclair head Nov 14 03:49:12 That would probably be it Nov 14 03:50:35 I can repo init -b eclair && repo sync Nov 14 03:50:44 i take it tags are not mandatory in a git project? Nov 14 03:50:50 keny: Read the announcement. It's a snapshot Nov 14 03:51:09 keny: They are not. Branches are Nov 14 03:52:06 piroko, what announcement? Nov 14 03:52:08 "eclair snapshot" ? Nov 14 03:52:58 http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/msg/89897d6567f13986 Nov 14 03:53:11 ok, did not see that :) thank you Nov 14 03:53:16 np Nov 14 03:58:18 keny: There is an eclair branch Nov 14 03:59:07 piroko, i can see it :) Nov 14 03:59:32 its what i've been repo syncing Nov 14 03:59:51 nites all Nov 14 04:16:58 Neat. I somehow managed to put an icon directly on top of a widget Nov 14 04:17:06 This should not happen Nov 14 04:25:58 I was told that att's network is the only one with enough bandwidth to simultaneously do voice and data - is this true? Nov 14 04:26:08 Nope Nov 14 04:26:20 T-mobile does the same on 3g Nov 14 04:26:34 can you do voice and data at the same time on VZW with droid? Nov 14 04:27:20 no stuff, at present they're using the same technology. except for frequencies. Nov 14 04:28:45 this att salesmen also said that he knows 10 people who quit working at tmo to work at att (mostly because iphones are easier to sell) Nov 14 04:28:52 I'm just waiting for droid on tmo Nov 14 04:29:23 long wait Nov 14 04:29:27 I'm waiting for the x10 or liquid to use on ATT Nov 14 04:29:46 and I'm sure tmo too. Nov 14 04:30:08 both seem better then the moto droid, except for no kb. Nov 14 04:31:05 you can get a gsm droid (or whatever the gsm version is called) off of Bell Canada, unlock it and use it with NAM 3g right now or very soon if not now for att, on 3g, and edge on tmo. Nov 14 04:31:21 of course its gonna pay some bux for it. Nov 14 04:33:52 RyeBrye: You need 1xEV-DV for that Nov 14 04:34:39 kroot: so does the droid do voice and data in some / all of the country ? Nov 14 04:35:21 RyeBrye: nowhere, I'd imagine Nov 14 04:35:43 hey guys, I want to start android development, but I am unsure about the dev phone: is there a version for 2.0? can I use any phone by flashing its firmware? how can I get one without a credit card? thx in advance. Nov 14 04:35:44 RyeBrye: Nobody ever deployed 1xEV-DV. I think the thought was just go with 1xEV-DO with VoIP Nov 14 04:35:56 Ah, makes sense Nov 14 04:36:16 Dorfmeister: to get one without a credit card, go bludgeon someone and steal it Nov 14 04:36:47 check ;) what about the other issues? Nov 14 04:37:33 the cdma droid, can't do voice and data at the same time. could be a pain, and to others it may not be a big deal. But every thing has its give and take. Nov 14 04:37:51 if I was on vzw, I'd get a moto droid. Nov 14 04:38:02 btw, droid is a line of phones, not a specfic model Nov 14 04:38:53 any suggestions which device I should purchase to start android 2.0 development? Nov 14 04:39:11 nintendo DS is the cheapest way to get into it Nov 14 04:40:49 can I somehow turn a HTC Hero into a dev phone? Nov 14 04:41:29 (e.g. by flashing its firmware) Nov 14 04:42:29 Compile it for x86. Nov 14 04:42:35 That's usually easiest. :) Nov 14 04:42:38 Or run it in the mu. Nov 14 04:42:41 emu Nov 14 04:43:52 yeah, sure - thing is I'm doing a lot of HCI stuff in the last time and thus I'm convinced that you can only write great software if you live with it and use it daily Nov 14 04:44:35 the Hero has many features and is very widespread - so it would be great as a dev phone Nov 14 04:45:12 and similar enough to other htc phones Nov 14 04:45:35 exactly Nov 14 04:45:55 but I can't turn it into a dev phone, can I? Nov 14 04:46:14 is there some sort of "android jailbreak" for developers? Nov 14 04:46:52 Yeah, but depends on the model how easy it is to get it rooted and get it flashed Nov 14 04:47:22 Great. You need to get familar with the platform first. Nov 14 04:47:28 well its very similar to the magic, basically better camera and senseui Nov 14 04:47:30 Flashing to a phone is not a good way to do that. Nov 14 04:47:39 and close enough to the g1 Nov 14 04:49:24 the hero kernel source is available on developer.htc.com so you somhehow should be able to turn it into a dev phone Nov 14 04:49:29 question is how Nov 14 04:50:02 should I contact HTC directly or are there any more sources you can give me? Nov 14 04:50:17 might be something on xda Nov 14 04:50:19 What kind of dev are you planning to do? Nov 14 04:50:36 because EVERY android phone is a "dev phone" in that you can run dev tools on it and develop apps and debug on it... etc. Nov 14 04:50:58 you only need a special "dev phone" or a rooted phone if you are interested in doing low-level system stuff, btu that's not necessary for doing app development Nov 14 04:51:12 I'm a computer science student specialising in HCI, so my current goal is to familiarise myself with android and iPhone (Objective-C - urgh) in general Nov 14 04:51:39 for both of those tasks using the emulator woudl work fine Nov 14 04:51:48 (the iPhone emulator and the android emulator) Nov 14 04:52:08 I can't do this in the US due to patents (but I'm in Germany^^), but implementing a chord keyboard for it would be sweet ;) Nov 14 04:52:38 however your suggestion to use the emu for the first time is certainly a good one Nov 14 04:54:13 one last issue: I took a look @ Effective Go, which is promising. Have you heard of any efforts to write android compilers for it yet? Nov 14 04:55:55 nope Nov 14 04:56:58 k. I currently attend a lecture about compiler construction... ^^ Nov 14 05:00:24 btw: does android understand opengl? Nov 14 05:00:55 OpenGL ES, yes Nov 14 05:01:56 very cool indeed. doesn't happen often, but I'm nearly getting excited ;) Nov 14 05:03:37 alright, guys. thanks for the information. Gonna start programming some helloworld stuff right away ;) see you around. Nov 14 05:22:15 one more thing... if i wrote a simple program, which runs fine on the emu and now i want to get it to my cell phone - what do i have to do? Nov 14 05:29:48 k. I'll figure it out anyway ^^ Nov 14 05:43:21 evenin' chaps Nov 14 05:44:19 I'm curious if anyone knows anything about modifying the answer/decline screen that shows up when someone calls. Nov 14 05:49:59 hm not a whole lot of life tonight :) Nov 14 05:50:48 is there a good translation of app permissions somewhere? Nov 14 05:51:14 im only guessing at what things like "read phone state and identity" mean Nov 14 05:51:26 actually, that's about as accurate as it gets, iirc. Nov 14 05:51:53 from what I was reading in the API, that's basically all the application tells the system, from which that message is generated. Nov 14 05:52:25 but how do I know what it entails Nov 14 05:52:32 or could entail Nov 14 05:52:43 are you asking as a developer or an end user? Nov 14 05:52:52 end user Nov 14 05:53:36 You can't tell, though http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html might give you a bit more details. Nov 14 05:54:45 public static final String READ_PHONE_STATE Nov 14 05:54:49 Allows read only access to phone state. Nov 14 05:54:51 incredible Nov 14 05:54:54 :) Nov 14 05:55:06 well phone state is things like "ringing", "in call", etc. Nov 14 05:55:27 so am I giving amazon access to my phone number, my IMEI Nov 14 05:55:29 I'd guess... Nov 14 05:55:33 oops i meant identity Nov 14 05:55:34 not state Nov 14 05:55:59 i dont even see the word identity on that page Nov 14 05:58:00 punkass, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/security/security.html might have the details you're looking for. Nov 14 06:00:19 looks like it boils down to Nov 14 06:00:20 getDeviceId() Nov 14 06:00:22 Returns the unique device ID, for example, the IMEI for GSM and the MEID for CDMA phones. Nov 14 06:00:48 i.e. Nov 14 06:00:52 something almost no app legitimately needs Nov 14 06:01:00 yeah Nov 14 06:01:01 heh Nov 14 06:01:06 amazon needs my email address and password Nov 14 06:01:14 almost all the apps want permissions that seems to be totally irrelevent to what they actually do. Nov 14 06:01:25 It's sorta disappointing, really - I want a way to be able to say "No, but fake 'yes'." Nov 14 06:01:43 one thing about android that i am really dissapointed about is the inability to deny access to specific things Nov 14 06:02:00 with normal java interpreters I can say yes to this, no to that, just this once but ask me again, etc Nov 14 06:02:27 i'd like to install the amazon app, but tell it to go blank itself when it asks for my MEID Nov 14 06:02:32 cant do it Nov 14 06:02:46 yeah Nov 14 06:03:01 I'm guessing that we don't actually have source for the android system at that level? Nov 14 06:03:09 sure we do Nov 14 06:03:19 even to eclair! :D Nov 14 06:03:31 if the droid gets rooted i'll make it tell apps my MEID is 0000000000 Nov 14 06:04:19 zinx, can you point me to those? I'm trying to use the SDK and AVD manager, but installing the API5 doesn't seem to have put the files I'd expect somehwere I'd have expected them. Nov 14 06:04:23 so obviously I'm doing something wrong. Nov 14 06:05:23 Gambit--: erh, source to the framework is in AOSP, not the SDK Nov 14 06:05:23 ugh even connectbot wants "state and identity" Nov 14 06:05:54 punkass: it's a permission that gets added by default to all old apps Nov 14 06:06:06 zinx, do you have a link you could throw me convienently, or should I just dig around for ti? Nov 14 06:06:18 Gambit--: source.android.com ? Nov 14 06:06:46 zinx: nothing i can do about it though, right? Nov 14 06:07:28 punkass: not currently, no Nov 14 06:08:29 fuck, I totally need to buy a new computer. Nov 14 06:08:33 it's just getting a bit silly. Nov 14 06:21:29 remember when pentium had that unique identifier in the cpu, and everybody was all up in arms about it being used for advertising etc Nov 14 06:21:35 those were the days :) Nov 14 06:22:55 Gambit--: whatchagot nao? Nov 14 06:23:16 cj, pentium m 1.6 ghz laptop. Nov 14 06:23:20 I really need something with the VT bits. Nov 14 06:24:03 yeah. don't get a sony Nov 14 06:24:12 likely to get one of the macbook pro's. Nov 14 06:24:19 my wife has one, it's fairly slick. Nov 14 06:24:44 mine has the vt bits in teh cpu, but the bios won't let me at 'em Nov 14 06:25:05 wierd Nov 14 06:25:26 yeah. just say no to vaio Nov 14 06:26:06 SanMehat: when are you coming to SEA? Nov 14 06:26:30 yay for SEA. Nov 14 06:51:28 haha holy shit Nov 14 06:51:28 500 ppl Nov 14 06:52:23 whoa, I didn't realize how many people were here. Nov 14 06:52:29 500 people fast asleep it looks like. Nov 14 06:52:42 500 people from all around the world i'm sure Nov 14 06:52:47 Android unites :) Nov 14 06:54:55 I'm hoping it's not going to be too impossible to modify some of the basic behaviors of my droid. Nov 14 06:55:31 it always takes a while for devs to get deep into a new device Nov 14 06:55:38 yup. Nov 14 06:55:39 give it a few months and it'll be hacked through and through Nov 14 06:55:48 this i learned when I got my HTC Magic Nov 14 06:55:50 I'm not sure if the droid not being rooted will be a substantial obstical or not. Nov 14 06:55:53 but its worth the wait usually Nov 14 06:59:13 I'm tempted to make a website showing what you can do with root Nov 14 06:59:21 then build a list of rooted vs non-rooted devices Nov 14 06:59:45 then start buying banner ads on tech sites advising folks to not buy non-root devices Nov 14 06:59:54 heh Nov 14 07:00:03 if you're on verizon, you don't have a huge amount of choice :) Nov 14 07:00:13 eris Nov 14 07:00:17 oh, the eris is rooted? Nov 14 07:00:24 I thought the eris was a 2.0 device. Nov 14 07:00:29 it's basically a g1 Nov 14 07:00:37 running 1.6 I thought Nov 14 07:00:51 i'm likely wrong Nov 14 07:01:23 heh, site I found claims android 1.5 Nov 14 07:01:40 heh, shows what we know. Nov 14 07:02:02 anyways, the droid's a pretty nice device. Nov 14 07:02:50 screen's reeeealy crisp. Nov 14 07:03:33 So what does not being rooted prevent me from doing, spikebike? Nov 14 07:04:09 performance tuning, app2sd, more control over things like themes, icons Nov 14 07:04:16 additional desktops Nov 14 07:04:22 tether Nov 14 07:04:25 backups Nov 14 07:04:30 spikebike: additional desktops << you certainly don't need root for that Nov 14 07:04:54 oh? Nov 14 07:04:59 how do you add them to a stock g1? Nov 14 07:05:06 you just install a home replacement from market Nov 14 07:05:09 or from a website Nov 14 07:05:14 that's what they do in custom roms Nov 14 07:05:20 and it's a feature opened to any user Nov 14 07:05:26 custom rooms = requires root Nov 14 07:05:36 you don't need custom roms Nov 14 07:05:37 didn't know you could get a home replacement without root Nov 14 07:05:41 that's my point Nov 14 07:05:41 * spikebike stands corrected Nov 14 07:05:57 :) Nov 14 07:06:08 any home replacements people consider particularly compelling? Nov 14 07:06:14 some have good ideas Nov 14 07:06:20 but I find them poorly executed for the most part Nov 14 07:07:10 but look on Market Nov 14 07:07:19 you'll see several of them in the top paid and free apps Nov 14 07:07:26 spikebike: your banner idea is ++good Nov 14 07:07:27 give them a try, see what you like Nov 14 07:08:04 romainguy, maybe in a bit. Nov 14 07:08:09 i'm still getting used to the device itself. Nov 14 07:08:40 ah, cool, I got the wave Nov 14 07:09:11 it's my first smartphone, so there's a lot of messing aroudn still. Mind you, apps still crash fairly often, too Nov 14 07:23:41 hello guys, my WiFi doesn't work with android, I was trying to troubleshoot but I failed. All I know is that it successfully authenticates (WPA2) gets the IP, from the shell the ifconfig shows that interface is up and running. I can bing its own address when I ping gateway on the shell it doesn't respond at all... Nov 14 07:23:50 tcpdump only shows Nov 14 07:23:52 23:23:23.432777 arp who-has 10.0.1.1 tell 10.0.1.189 Nov 14 07:23:52 23:23:23.432805 arp who-has 10.0.1.1 tell 10.0.1.189 Nov 14 07:24:26 +tethering Nov 14 07:24:31 damnit Nov 14 07:24:32 other computers work fine on my network and the phone seems to work fine on other network Nov 14 07:24:34 was scrolled up Nov 14 07:24:35 :( Nov 14 07:24:41 I hate when I do that. lol Nov 14 07:26:09 Could someone tell me how to disable the menu of a WebView when opening up websites that end up with sth like: "?styleid=7" Nov 14 07:26:35 JesusFreke... I guess I joined late - what did I miss? Nov 14 08:14:30 http://www.rcrnewsdirectory.com/pressrelease.aspx?id=325512 Nov 14 08:14:35 adp2 Nov 14 08:16:24 hmm... US$399 is significantly *less* that the retail price of a Magic here Nov 14 08:17:16 oh, it's a 32B :( Nov 14 08:20:26 what is? Nov 14 08:20:33 adp2 = 32b? Nov 14 08:20:33 adp2 Nov 14 08:20:41 32b is the 288mb version? Nov 14 08:21:04 no, 32A is the 288MB version, 32B is 192MB Nov 14 08:21:51 Can someone explain to me, at a technical level, what the difference is between the Browser functionality of the DROID vs the MILESTONE is? Nov 14 08:22:04 Is multi touch enabled/disabled at the browser (application) level? Nov 14 08:22:42 whether or not the browser does multitouch is hardly 'browser functionality' Nov 14 08:22:57 it's just an interface option Nov 14 08:23:00 GTalkService holds a wakelock while broadcasting the intent for data message received. Nov 14 08:23:09 * spikebike desperately looks for said intent Nov 14 08:23:53 leoncismeck: I believe the switch has been already found to enable it on droid, it needs root to switch, or for a uswer to install a new browser Nov 14 08:25:01 spikebike, lol yeah, I've had this conversation a few times and it ends up going the same path. Don't take it personally, but I'm looking for a pretty precise answer. What I'm getting around to is… it should be possible to download the Eclair browser source code, add a patch for multi touch, and then just replace the stock browser with it.... Nov 14 08:27:41 that was true with android 1.6 Nov 14 08:27:50 since android didn't support multitouch directly Nov 14 08:28:21 I'm not completely sure, but I don't even thing the binary needs changed Nov 14 08:29:55 well changing the binary is a lot easier than getting root on the droid Nov 14 08:30:07 and by a lot, I mean infinitely so, since the Droid isn't hacked yet Nov 14 08:31:39 I'd check the market Nov 14 08:31:57 there might well be an android 2.0... oh wait 2.0 just got released tonight Nov 14 08:32:02 wait till monday Nov 14 08:36:09 lol, well I was going to do it Nov 14 08:36:32 course it might distract me from my current app Nov 14 08:38:49 well 2.0 dropped, git to slurp it, build the browser and it should just work Nov 14 08:38:55 report back ;-) Nov 14 08:39:11 before 2.0 it required actual hacking Nov 14 09:38:21 -part * Nov 14 09:38:23 hi all Nov 14 09:38:41 does anybody knows if there's a program to monitor Nov 14 09:38:53 how the single applications drain battery? Nov 14 09:41:51 doesn't settings->battery use do that already? Nov 14 09:42:22 settings -> about phone -> battery use Nov 14 09:49:08 I haven't "battery use" in "About Phone" Nov 14 09:49:50 ok, sorry.. I should have stated I'm running android 2.0 on motorola. Nov 14 09:50:01 :) Nov 14 09:51:32 it's also in 1.6 Nov 14 09:58:21 I'm on samsung galaxy, 1.5 :( Nov 14 10:39:09 hey all Nov 14 10:39:39 anyone awake? Nov 14 10:46:31 I'm awake Nov 14 10:46:35 More or less Nov 14 10:46:39 lol nice Nov 14 10:46:41 where are you from Nov 14 10:46:51 The mythical land of Eng Nov 14 10:46:54 Yourself? Nov 14 10:46:58 o.O riiight Nov 14 10:47:03 i'm from the mythical land of new york Nov 14 10:47:21 "Only New York is real, the rest is done with smoke and mirrors." Nov 14 10:47:37 hahahaha where's that from Nov 14 10:47:52 I can't remember, i think it might be a Gaiman quote Nov 14 10:48:01 dude, that's epic Nov 14 10:48:33 Hmm, google doesn't seem to know either Nov 14 10:49:51 oh well Nov 14 10:50:45 Anyone know of a way of presenting only one directory over USB as a MSD? Nov 14 10:51:02 I need my car radio to see the music, but the phone to still see the rest of the SD card Nov 14 10:51:27 hmm nope :\ Nov 14 10:51:42 maybe primary and secondary fat32 partitions? just a guess, idk how it'd react Nov 14 10:52:22 That was my thought, but it become clumbsy when i add more music Nov 14 10:52:30 yeah, understood Nov 14 10:52:55 well if the partition is mounted to one it can't be mounted to the other... i'd say use bluetooth for the car :D Nov 14 10:52:57 a2dp ftw Nov 14 10:53:07 Car radio doesn't have bluetooth Nov 14 10:53:14 :( Nov 14 10:53:27 Thanks for the advice though :-) Nov 14 10:53:38 Thought i might be missing something obvious Nov 14 10:54:12 not that i know of, but i'm certainly not as smart as a lot of the other guys in here... might have to wait for them to wake up Nov 14 10:54:58 Might end up writing something myself, but i suck at programming Nov 14 10:55:51 wow, android 2.0 hit AOSP finally? Nov 14 10:56:47 where are the 2.0 builds?! *waits for XDA* :) Nov 14 10:58:08 agh gimme teh driverz Nov 14 11:00:03 Elench: there is a config which says which partition is mounted when you use usb drive mode Nov 14 11:00:11 you can make a second partition for music and use that one Nov 14 11:00:22 i did something close when I was learning how to use vold Nov 14 11:01:00 DarkriftX: oh right, i looked but couldn't find that, i'll look again thanks Nov 14 11:01:10 its a change in vold.conf Nov 14 11:01:12 Still means i have to resize teh partitions though Nov 14 11:01:18 so? thats easy Nov 14 11:01:28 10 minutes work Nov 14 11:01:33 easier than writing an app :P Nov 14 11:01:44 Seems like a clumbsy solution is all Nov 14 11:01:50 Many thanks to you both :-) Nov 14 11:01:55 yuo have extra ordinary wants though Nov 14 11:02:28 Really? I thought that would be fairly common Nov 14 11:02:43 *shrug* Nov 14 11:02:51 shouldnt be using your phone while driving anyways! Nov 14 11:03:04 I have a satnav thing Nov 14 11:03:12 Which stores maps &c on the SD card Nov 14 11:05:24 ahh i seee Nov 14 11:05:33 music + satnav? hm Nov 14 11:05:38 Elench: copilot? Nov 14 11:06:00 hrmmmm Nov 14 11:06:42 its bedtime for me Nov 14 11:06:49 lol i just got up Nov 14 11:06:51 lata Nov 14 11:06:56 need to rest up so I can get trashed later tonight Nov 14 11:07:04 neighbors are buying the beer :P Nov 14 11:07:11 i never turn down mass free beer Nov 14 11:07:41 TommyBres: yeah, copilot Nov 14 11:07:50 Not as polished as i'd hoped :'-( Nov 14 11:07:53 Elench: a temporary fix, for now, is to use Google Maps Navigation Nov 14 11:08:00 * Elench wanders off to the tattoo place Nov 14 11:08:08 interent is down had to tether through my sprint hero :D Nov 14 11:08:12 Yah, i do that unless i need precise directions Nov 14 11:08:23 it's not precise? o.O Nov 14 11:09:03 The directions are less precise, the fix is of course GPS either way Nov 14 11:09:04 and also, if you have a recommendation, request, complaint, whatever... send ALK an email Nov 14 11:09:20 their email is in market when you view Copilot Live Nov 14 11:09:45 I'm going to, but i've only had it a couple of days, and i want to consider it properly, rather than spamming them with lots of little things Nov 14 11:09:54 ah good call Nov 14 11:28:09 I found my ipod touch today and I got to see again how big of pain in the ass it is trying to get it to work under Ubuntu . It will be nice to have an play that just mounts Nov 14 11:45:10 the htc dragon is the same as the htc hd2 but with androdi installed, right? Nov 14 11:46:16 allegedly Nov 14 11:46:17 mmaaayyyybbbeee Nov 14 11:47:40 htc dragon! cant wait. Nov 14 11:47:53 will it be out before teh x10 ? Nov 14 11:48:46 lol its not even confirmed as to what it will be when it exists, let alone when it will come to exist Nov 14 11:49:10 sure its confirmed Nov 14 11:49:14 just not confirmed to the pblic Nov 14 11:49:23 here at #android we have insider info Nov 14 11:49:40 inside your imagination maybe Nov 14 11:50:02 lol Nov 14 11:57:43 dankkk Nov 14 12:11:07 TommyBres: hey Nov 14 12:11:14 tmzt: watup Nov 14 12:11:31 still awake? wow Nov 14 12:12:00 me too out pretty late Nov 14 12:12:10 lol nah i just woke up at like 5:30 Nov 14 12:12:17 ah Nov 14 12:12:21 ok Nov 14 12:13:26 the one day of the week i can sleep in, i wake up on time anyways Nov 14 12:13:39 I see Nov 14 12:14:05 you in like owntown or by columbia or something? Nov 14 12:14:10 downtown Nov 14 12:16:05 i'm not in manhattan Nov 14 12:16:16 i'm on the opposite side of brooklyn Nov 14 12:16:26 my sister lives 3 blocks from columbia and my school is downtown though Nov 14 12:17:38 I see Nov 14 12:17:50 why do you ask? Nov 14 12:18:55 I rremembered you saying something about it Nov 14 12:21:38 hmm, wondered if you to new some affordable places to go eat drink around if I by some chance made it out for the google thing Nov 14 12:21:47 knew Nov 14 12:22:33 tmzt: the google thing in NYC? Nov 14 12:22:51 hehe, "affordable" is a very relative term, especially in manhattan Nov 14 12:22:51 yeah, is that one day or more? Nov 14 12:23:00 one day Nov 14 12:23:01 right Nov 14 12:23:02 10-5 on monday Nov 14 12:23:27 this monday? oh Nov 14 12:23:33 yeahh, the 16th Nov 14 12:23:41 KNY's drivin down tomorrow Nov 14 12:23:48 thougt it was another week Nov 14 12:23:54 if he can make it from raw chest hair, you can make it from ohio, GO GO GO Nov 14 12:24:02 what is it exactly? Nov 14 12:24:08 rochester? Nov 14 12:24:14 yeah Nov 14 12:24:18 only by bus :, Nov 14 12:24:27 and umm, from what we know we'll have "some new devices to test your application on" Nov 14 12:24:41 aaand i don't know much more than that Nov 14 12:24:51 oh, that thing? Nov 14 12:25:00 sure, that thing Nov 14 12:25:02 doesn't help much Nov 14 12:25:11 since I have no apps Nov 14 12:25:15 well it's 7 hours, so i very much doubt it'll be just testing an app Nov 14 12:25:33 KNY suggested we fly you out here and take over the dev lab, trying to root the droid all day instead Nov 14 12:26:05 as for having no apps, i'm having KNY write me a hello world since i don't even have eclipse set up on anything but my broken laptop Nov 14 12:31:17 well, dev blog says it's developers with apps in market, thought you guys meant something else but I got distracted when you were discussing it before Nov 14 12:31:34 lol it's not just for devs with apps in market, they have priority Nov 14 12:31:41 somehow i got in without ever having an app in market Nov 14 12:32:48 ah, I see. guess somebody might like to test there app on t-mobile dash :) qvga but no android 2.0 yet Nov 14 12:32:58 lol Nov 14 12:33:04 i wonder what devices are gonna be there Nov 14 12:33:45 probably just an ADP2 hahaha Nov 14 12:33:45 darkstar did a great job on it, though no pm yet Nov 14 12:33:56 what's that? Nov 14 12:33:59 darkstar? eh? Nov 14 12:34:09 he's not in here Nov 14 12:34:16 wing-linux.sf.net Nov 14 12:34:18 ADP2 = magic 32B Nov 14 12:34:20 what a joke Nov 14 12:34:25 oh Nov 14 12:34:30 like ion? Nov 14 12:34:32 $400 for the same phone you can buy from t-mobile for less Nov 14 12:34:39 yes, exactly ion/mytouch3g Nov 14 12:34:40 same phone Nov 14 12:34:44 with contract Nov 14 12:34:49 even without Nov 14 12:34:53 not enough ram Nov 14 12:34:56 512 Nov 14 12:35:10 ebi 256 is the furture Nov 14 12:35:14 oh? Nov 14 12:35:35 oh wait RAM, nvm Nov 14 12:35:36 how much can linux see? Nov 14 12:35:42 yeah Nov 14 12:35:46 all magics have 512rom, 32B's have 192ram Nov 14 12:36:28 tmzt: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/ele/1465356296.html Nov 14 12:36:29 what/who are adroid advocates? Nov 14 12:37:02 lol he's offering to pirate apps for money Nov 14 12:37:23 I see Nov 14 12:38:14 i love people like this Nov 14 12:38:15 http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/mob/1462917909.html Nov 14 12:38:16 are you even a dev paid your twenty five? Nov 14 12:38:28 "never opened mytouch 3G" and there's a picture of the box open so you can see the phone Nov 14 12:38:45 no, i got the ADP from someone, i don't even have a dev account Nov 14 12:40:34 need to get a sim for my dash Nov 14 12:40:53 prepaid ftw Nov 14 12:40:55 not sure the best way if I don't even want data Nov 14 12:41:07 yeah but I need 850 Nov 14 12:41:16 850 minutes? Nov 14 12:41:27 mhz Nov 14 12:41:29 band Nov 14 12:41:31 oh Nov 14 12:41:34 you're on AT&T? Nov 14 12:41:56 i'm confused... Nov 14 12:41:59 no, but non prepaid can roam Nov 14 12:42:11 I want tmo togo Nov 14 12:42:16 and tzones Nov 14 12:42:24 lol Nov 14 12:42:29 without buying a full priced phone Nov 14 12:42:33 i want a pony Nov 14 12:42:50 you have to feed them Nov 14 12:43:12 i'll remember, i promise Nov 14 12:43:38 see since you have adp phone you must have got the full android data? Nov 14 12:44:31 no? i pay $10/month for unlimited data Nov 14 12:44:37 i'm on AT&T :) Nov 14 12:45:04 oh Nov 14 12:45:09 how? Nov 14 12:45:29 adc is closed Nov 14 12:45:32 orly Nov 14 12:45:48 https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dFpqYlZieG51bnc5bXZuRmhsWDVodGc6MQ Nov 14 12:45:58 yeah Nov 14 12:46:10 oh :( Nov 14 12:46:10 not adc Nov 14 12:46:16 yeah, that thing Nov 14 12:46:19 brb Nov 14 12:46:19 I'm tired, nyc thing Nov 14 12:49:14 k back Nov 14 12:49:34 and yeah that sucks, we could've had a huge android party at my house :( Nov 14 12:51:20 just you and kny I guess, don't know any other east coast people signed up Nov 14 12:51:28 lov, mikedg Nov 14 12:51:46 djtach Nov 14 12:52:21 lov? saw him in here yesterday but don't really know him Nov 14 12:52:37 ohhhh Nov 14 12:52:48 he works for ALK, helped dev copilot for android Nov 14 12:52:53 lives in jersey Nov 14 12:53:06 formerly known as "vol" in here Nov 14 12:53:28 in fact, while we're at it, lemme give you his full name and phone number... XD Nov 14 12:53:34 ah Nov 14 12:53:47 why did he change? Nov 14 12:53:56 vol/lov Nov 14 12:54:04 was never clear on that, think it was work-related :| Nov 14 12:54:16 old friends? :-) Nov 14 12:54:22 haha dunno Nov 14 12:54:41 all i know is, HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE COPILOT haha, i want it to say street names and such Nov 14 12:54:54 welcome to tmzt-tb-offtopic Nov 14 12:55:08 if it said "exit 12, cadman plaza" it'd be perfect, instead of "next exit" Nov 14 12:55:08 need to request freennode to up my limit Nov 14 12:55:19 lol whatever, no one else is in here, it's cool Nov 14 12:55:32 i'd switch it to -offtopic but you're not in there Nov 14 12:55:46 right, re last statement Nov 14 12:56:02 up your limit? o.O Nov 14 12:56:19 good lord man, leave some channels Nov 14 12:56:21 problem is I would have about fifty channels all pink then Nov 14 12:58:09 tbh im just gona get the htc dragon Nov 14 12:58:24 Jengoris: good luck Nov 14 12:58:50 why are u wishing me luck Nov 14 12:59:14 you might need magic powers Nov 14 12:59:14 oh okay, i take it back, i hope the dragon never releases and/or yours breaks the day you get it Nov 14 12:59:23 but tb only has luck Nov 14 12:59:45 it exists? Nov 14 13:00:09 lol there are rumors of it, that's it Nov 14 13:00:17 IMO the SE Xperia X10 is going to be better than the Dragon Nov 14 13:00:25 how Nov 14 13:00:27 it runs 1.6 Nov 14 13:00:34 that stops me in my tracks right there Nov 14 13:00:40 SHOW STOPPER Nov 14 13:01:08 the "in the wild" videos of X10 do not look promising Nov 14 13:01:11 lol Nov 14 13:01:20 Jengoris: wanna take bets that the X10 runs 2.0 before the Dragon does? Nov 14 13:01:20 V-Vega what, becaues its slow? Nov 14 13:01:23 yah Nov 14 13:01:29 V-Vega: why would the dragon be faster Nov 14 13:01:32 u r stupid, all phones are like that first u moron Nov 14 13:01:40 apparently theyre saying the OS wasnt optomized for the snapdragoin Nov 14 13:01:40 its caleld NOT BEING FINISHED Nov 14 13:01:48 V-Vega: it's a pre-release, after all... Nov 14 13:02:00 too bad i can't view the fucking video because it says it's private Nov 14 13:02:06 http://phandroid.com/2009/11/13/xperia-x10-gets-10-minutes-of-video-time/ Nov 14 13:02:08 you guys can see that? Nov 14 13:02:12 it runs on omap3 why not qsd? Nov 14 13:02:12 no Nov 14 13:02:49 vodafone has aparantly stopped selling the hd2 Nov 14 13:02:56 why Nov 14 13:02:57 its just a 404 page when i click the link to it Nov 14 13:03:07 was like that yesterday too Nov 14 13:03:25 when i type hd2 into google, top ad is from vodafone Nov 14 13:03:28 and link is dead Nov 14 13:03:51 .co.uk search Nov 14 13:03:56 every time I see him I think goog employee and he's corrected me ten times Nov 14 13:04:21 who? Nov 14 13:04:30 bgupta Nov 14 13:04:34 lolll Nov 14 13:07:03 LOL dude in florida was arrested for calling 911 asking for sex Nov 14 13:07:18 he said 911 was the only number he could dial because he was out of minutes, so he was asking the dispatcher to come to her house Nov 14 13:09:21 611? Nov 14 13:09:26 #data Nov 14 13:15:38 ? Nov 14 13:16:21 other numbers you can dial Nov 14 13:16:30 at least on tmobile Nov 14 13:22:47 hello everyone Nov 14 13:24:15 hello chain__ Nov 14 13:33:09 I'm starting to really like android, but right now I'll miss half of the functionality that I need, so does anyone know if issue #2361 will get resolved anytime soon? Nov 14 13:34:20 probably not Nov 14 13:34:49 :/ Nov 14 13:34:54 some of the feature requests in the bug tracker predate the public release of android Nov 14 13:35:33 you can't really tell, if or when an issue is addressed. Nov 14 13:35:36 Kranki, and probably no one reads them anymore... Nov 14 13:36:44 there's just so many of them. for example, bluetooth file transfer was implemented recently, but adhoc networking is still not in. Nov 14 13:36:55 I really don't understand why caldav/webdav and icalendar aren't supported yet - these are standards after all Nov 14 13:36:59 and the issue on adhoc wifi was opened in january 2008 Nov 14 13:37:44 I don't think calendars should be part of the OS. Nov 14 13:38:00 caldav support is an app issue. Nov 14 13:38:04 Loonacy, you're right - they shouldn't Nov 14 13:38:59 I've wrote messages to several app developers asking if they'll fix it in their calendar apps, and in every case the answer was no - they're all relaying on android's calendar backend Nov 14 13:39:46 Well if the demand is great enough, i imagine someone will make an app that does. Nov 14 13:40:01 i just checked, and google calendar can import ical on the web interface. Nov 14 13:40:11 right now only iPhone supports this, and I reall don't want to buy that thing Nov 14 13:40:27 uh? Nov 14 13:40:28 no Nov 14 13:40:49 I sync my ical to google calendar via BusySync Nov 14 13:41:14 Kranki, not everyone uses or wants to use google calendar Nov 14 13:41:17 works a charm. up to you if you want to involve google in your calendar syncing needs, but it's certainly possible and easy Nov 14 13:43:48 well, everyone that uses the android calendar while signed into a google account does. Nov 14 13:43:49 if you read http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2361 you'll notice that there are some people who have their work calendars in icalendar format stored on caldav servers, and often they can't access google calendars from work Nov 14 13:45:46 It's not the case with me - I just hate google services, but there are people, who, as I said, can't access google services from work, and need to sync their work calendars from caldav/webdav Nov 14 13:46:09 android needs a google docs client Nov 14 13:49:21 android needs a lot of stuff. for now, exchange sync is coming with 2.0. if it's important, it will be there eventually. Nov 14 13:50:57 I certainly hope so, my current phone is barely working now, but before I buy something else I want to make sure it does what I need it to do Nov 14 13:53:11 cj: ping Nov 14 13:53:57 SanMehat: watuppp Nov 14 13:54:06 TommyBres: nada Nov 14 14:03:33 how about opening email attachments or searching your mailbox with droid...? Nov 14 15:04:07 hello all Nov 14 15:05:18 hello greypoint Nov 14 15:17:03 whats hd2 battery life Nov 14 15:33:46 Hey, i'm kind of new in the loop of andorid. I'm wondering if there is any news of it featuring on the HTC HD 2 mobile phone. For the UK anyway. Nov 14 15:34:12 The HD has very similar specs to the HTC Hero, which is already on android I believe Nov 14 15:39:24 phone reviews suck on one review of the hd2 it says "screen to large for some" Nov 14 15:39:31 thats a misunderstanding of the problem Nov 14 15:39:40 the problem mma be teh phone is too large Nov 14 15:40:43 is HTC HD2 on android? Nov 14 15:41:35 I'm rather unedicated about the whole android scene Nov 14 15:41:43 no Nov 14 15:41:45 its on windows mobile Nov 14 15:41:53 with the sense ui on top Nov 14 15:42:07 any news of it coming to android? Nov 14 15:42:20 yes Nov 14 15:42:22 htc dragon Nov 14 15:43:49 4.3 inches is huge Nov 14 15:44:08 so on android, do you have to buy a phone that is compatable and has it installed when purchased from a retailer? or could you install android on a phone? Nov 14 15:44:30 o_O Nov 14 15:44:45 yes Nov 14 15:44:55 :D Nov 14 15:45:03 you have to buy a phone with android already one Nov 14 15:45:10 *on Nov 14 15:45:15 oh Nov 14 15:45:35 have you ever had/seen a phone that lets you install a different OS? Nov 14 15:45:39 CRAZY PERSON Nov 14 15:46:04 and what's the whole networking like? Can networks like Vodafone/T-Mobile/Orange etc all work on it? Nov 14 15:46:12 Yep Nov 14 15:47:28 JSharpe its just a phone OS Nov 14 15:47:36 just like symbian or windows mobile Nov 14 15:47:43 or whatever Nov 14 15:48:01 the only "special" thing about it is that it ROCKS YOUR SOCKS Nov 14 15:48:29 I guess there's no dual booting either :v Nov 14 15:48:40 o_o Nov 14 15:48:56 Convenient SDK is probably the most interesting feature Nov 14 15:49:17 :D Nov 14 15:49:38 why the hell would you wana dual boot on a phone? Nov 14 15:49:46 winmo + android? Nov 14 15:49:51 what exactly does winmo have over android Nov 14 15:49:52 NOTHING Nov 14 15:50:02 1.6 + 2? Nov 14 15:50:21 no Nov 14 15:50:25 why ? Nov 14 15:50:45 Dunno, just seemed slightly saner than putting windows on a phone Nov 14 15:50:49 Well I don't know if android has any decent text editing like Word/PP etc Nov 14 15:52:47 sure it does. Nov 14 15:52:49 maybe Nov 14 15:54:18 FACT, Nov 14 15:54:20 Hm, hopefully Illium Software started developing for Android Nov 14 15:54:28 android 2.0 is here now open source Nov 14 15:55:01 what are games like on android? Nov 14 15:57:35 2.0 source is out? Nov 14 15:57:42 yes Nov 14 15:58:00 isn't that faster than normal? Nov 14 15:58:10 possibly Nov 14 15:58:16 huh Nov 14 15:58:46 but does it really mean anything? Nov 14 15:58:49 Yes Nov 14 15:58:53 means youcan install it on your G1 Nov 14 15:59:29 psh... I have a droid Nov 14 16:02:20 can usb accessories be plugged into the droid? Nov 14 16:06:02 can someone help, i want to install my app on my phone for testing but in DDMS it says the device name is ????????? and permissions unknown, im running ubuntu 9.10 and i have set up my rules file Nov 14 16:08:05 nexes_dev: adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server Nov 14 16:10:11 The-Compiler: i just did that, when i run ./adb devices it still shows ?????????????? for list of devices Nov 14 16:11:34 no idea then Nov 14 16:11:43 I had that once, but no idea how I fixed it Nov 14 16:18:23 hi Nov 14 16:21:57 Ballresin yes Nov 14 16:22:00 but hey dont do much Nov 14 16:22:09 O_ o android cant host usb Nov 14 16:22:24 cant take input from anything really Nov 14 16:23:24 fixed it Nov 14 16:27:02 android is here Nov 14 16:27:09 is android free Nov 14 16:27:12 as in beer? Nov 14 16:27:38 android is free, unless you plan on using it Nov 14 16:27:49 what? Nov 14 16:28:02 he's trolling Nov 14 16:28:13 no sir Nov 14 16:28:14 who is? Nov 14 16:28:26 anyways Nov 14 16:28:33 san's just mad @ me :( Nov 14 16:28:35 that comment is totally a troll Nov 14 16:28:36 lol Nov 14 16:28:38 well i lied, i mean, you can use it Nov 14 16:28:49 without market, maps, calendar sync, gmail, etcetc Nov 14 16:29:03 but they're all fere, no Nov 14 16:29:07 *no? Nov 14 16:29:14 and to run on a phone like the dream, the AOSP code drop requires proprietary drivers iirc Nov 14 16:29:28 free from where? find a place to download android market legally Nov 14 16:29:32 ok Nov 14 16:29:35 zimbra is about to make me lose it :) Nov 14 16:29:48 goddamn s2s doesn't seem to work for their jabberd Nov 14 16:29:51 you can't get it anywhere but on a phone that has it already, because the manufacturers are the only ones who can legally redistribute it Nov 14 16:29:54 how large is a 4.3" screen Nov 14 16:30:01 very large, iphone is 3.5" for comparison Nov 14 16:30:14 50% larger than the iphone's.... hmmm Nov 14 16:30:32 4.3" at 15:9 ratio Nov 14 16:30:33 not quite, like 30% larger, either way it's huge for a phone Nov 14 16:30:41 ? Nov 14 16:30:56 its 50% or so Nov 14 16:30:58 let me see Nov 14 16:31:47 3.5" + 50% = 5.25" Nov 14 16:32:01 4.3" != 5.25" Nov 14 16:32:39 actually let's be technical, my best estimation is 17% larger... /me checks himself Nov 14 16:32:49 is there any way to use a bluetooth printer with android? Nov 14 16:33:01 smknight: not at this time Nov 14 16:33:14 mhh, sad Nov 14 16:33:24 d'oh, fail? 22% Nov 14 16:33:44 smknight: there was some application on market that allowed you to print things, i don't know if it used wifi or bt Nov 14 16:33:59 2.11" × 3.52" = 7.4272 square inches on the hd2 Nov 14 16:34:01 n900? Nov 14 16:34:03 heh Nov 14 16:34:13 cant seem to find the darned iphone screen dimensions Nov 14 16:34:18 gona have to work it out Nov 14 16:34:24 yeah, would be nice to be able to print on mobile printers Nov 14 16:34:30 3.5 at 1.33:1 ratio Nov 14 16:35:03 3.5^2 = a^2+(1.33*a)^2 Nov 14 16:35:13 ummm what o.O Nov 14 16:35:25 pythogoras Nov 14 16:35:34 he wins Nov 14 16:35:37 yeah i understand, i just did diagonal screen size Nov 14 16:35:55 i'm not about to bother calculating/caring about area, they're not rated by surface area Nov 14 16:36:02 uh Nov 14 16:36:04 yes they are Nov 14 16:36:16 my eyes see the surface area Nov 14 16:36:17 4.3" screen = surface area? Nov 14 16:36:31 ok, so they're not advertised that way Nov 14 16:36:36 but what matters is the surface area Nov 14 16:36:45 i could have a 10" screen only 0.1" wide Nov 14 16:36:45 k Nov 14 16:36:48 thats not useful Nov 14 16:37:03 well depends on the purpose ;) hahah Nov 14 16:37:09 okay, NOW i'm trolling hahaha Nov 14 16:38:02 smknight: all of the available printer applications go through wifi, no bt Nov 14 16:39:00 mhh okay Nov 14 16:39:09 i really dont care if its bluetooth or wifi Nov 14 16:39:14 as long as the printer is mobile :D Nov 14 16:39:20 well in that case, search "printer" on market, many options Nov 14 16:39:35 i haven't tried any, but you can read descriptions and reviews and try them out Nov 14 16:40:24 thanks for info :) still dont own an android smartphone Nov 14 16:41:09 oh heheh :P Nov 14 16:42:10 hmm, i wanna see android market add a filter for official applications Nov 14 16:42:34 like, i don't want to see news apps where some random clown combines an RSS feed with a user interface Nov 14 16:42:38 <_rc_> i wanna delete the facebook app :P Nov 14 16:42:55 i want to see applications made by USA Today, Telegraph, etc Nov 14 16:43:01 _rc_: droid? Nov 14 16:43:11 <_rc_> TommyBres: yup Nov 14 16:43:16 im attending an android dev course at the university at the moment, just started Nov 14 16:43:21 can't uninstall from app management? Nov 14 16:43:26 id love to filter out the soundboard apps etc Nov 14 16:43:30 smknight: whaaa, what university? Nov 14 16:43:33 so im really new to this stuff:) Nov 14 16:43:44 rwth aachen university in germany Nov 14 16:44:06 do the Eclair users have the same shit fb app as the rest of us Nov 14 16:44:10 dude, that's amazing... i didn't know any place was doing that Nov 14 16:44:18 V-Vega: no, they get one where you can actually view your friends list :O Nov 14 16:44:26 lucky Nov 14 16:44:34 iphone screen is 5.88 inches Nov 14 16:44:45 our mentor is really crazy about android Nov 14 16:44:52 so im trying to download something from the market, but it isnt downloading :( Nov 14 16:44:52 :) Nov 14 16:44:59 square inches Nov 14 16:45:21 anyone having issue booting cynogen 4.24? Nov 14 16:45:25 darn, what. this cant be right. the htc hd2 is only 7.4272 / 5.88 = 1.26312925 26% larger than the iphones Nov 14 16:45:32 4.2.4* Nov 14 16:45:41 canadiancow: you cancel and try again? Nov 14 16:45:47 twois10: nope Nov 14 16:45:48 TommyBres: done a few times now Nov 14 16:46:10 Jengoris: so i said 22%, you came up with 26% after mass calculations and estimating 50% Nov 14 16:46:18 Been ghost for a while now and today I wiped and installed the latest release and I cant boot it Nov 14 16:46:19 ...hmm, i think i'm the winrar here Nov 14 16:46:28 I may have bricked my phone Nov 14 16:46:39 twois10: can you get to recovery and/or bootloader? Nov 14 16:46:46 yes Nov 14 16:46:53 i think you misunderstood the cocept rather than making a poor estimate Nov 14 16:47:02 i think i was 4% off Nov 14 16:47:13 twois10: then it's not a brick, you're fine Nov 14 16:47:35 TommyBres: lol, I am just being silly Nov 14 16:47:41 haha kay Nov 14 16:49:07 the HTC HD2 is sexy, I want Nov 14 16:50:32 JSharpe it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:52:07 the HTC HD2 is sexy, I want Nov 14 16:54:29 it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:54:40 the HTC HD2 is sexy, I want Nov 14 16:54:53 it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:54:59 the HTC HD2 is sexy, I want Nov 14 16:55:01 it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:55:05 the HTC HD2 is sexy, I want Nov 14 16:55:09 ok wtf Nov 14 16:55:11 it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:55:14 Well I don't know if android has any decent text editing like Word/PP etc Nov 14 16:55:33 JSharpe it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:55:39 the HTC HD2 is sexy, I want Nov 14 16:55:46 sigh Nov 14 16:55:58 stop that now Nov 14 16:56:09 stop what? im just saying that it doesnt run android Nov 14 16:56:15 both of you stop it Nov 14 16:58:44 lol Nov 14 17:03:33 hd2 is also thin Nov 14 17:04:12 it has no keyboard... of course it's thin Nov 14 17:04:28 its thin for a keyboardless phone Nov 14 17:04:35 the g1 is 17mm thick O_O holy crap Nov 14 17:04:40 lol Nov 14 17:04:46 11mm isn't THAT thin for a keyboardless phone Nov 14 17:04:56 find me a thinner android phone Nov 14 17:04:59 well Nov 14 17:04:59 the touch diamond is 11.3mm at its thickest point, and it's a hell of a lot shorter and narrower Nov 14 17:05:00 yeah. Nov 14 17:05:03 TommyBres: well, going back to cn mod 4.02 phone boots fine Nov 14 17:05:10 the people who think the dream is big must be a bunch of yard gnomes Nov 14 17:05:12 or midgets Nov 14 17:05:15 twois10: that's your problem, you're messing up the upgrade Nov 14 17:05:16 thats coz the screen is shorter and narrower Nov 14 17:05:20 READ THE THREAD before upgrading to 4.2+ Nov 14 17:05:29 I redownloaded the latest and checked md5sum yet still wont boot Nov 14 17:05:34 Jengoris: it still needs the same parts, and has less space to work with, and it's barely thicker... that's the point Nov 14 17:06:21 the virtual keyboard on the hd2 should be niceo n a 4.3 incher Nov 14 17:06:40 true... but some thinks just can't use osk's Nov 14 17:06:45 things* Nov 14 17:06:52 ^ Nov 14 17:06:52 "BUT IT'S NOT ON ANDROID" Nov 14 17:07:07 the dragon will be, rumors say Nov 14 17:07:30 it's nice how you can change it too, so it's a full QWERTY or old sckool 12 keys Nov 14 17:10:54 wow, its like magic Nov 14 17:10:56 ¬_¬ Nov 14 17:11:06 i want a QWERTZ Nov 14 17:11:10 coz im german Nov 14 17:11:22 anyone tethering a Droid on Linux? Nov 14 17:11:56 funny how I mention I want a HTC HD and Jengoris cries out it's not on android, yet the conversation about the phone still continues Nov 14 17:12:11 im hungarian, we also use qwertz keyboard, but i don't mind qwerty Nov 14 17:12:51 wow look at this Nov 14 17:12:51 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/htc-dragon-coming-to-verizon-as-the-passion/ Nov 14 17:12:52 (if so, just trying to find out the rfcomm channel for dial-up) Nov 14 17:12:59 the hd2 will become the dragon Nov 14 17:13:25 I want Nov 14 17:13:53 * Jengoris breathes fire Nov 14 17:14:41 breathing fire would be a fire hazzard Nov 14 17:15:01 simply the word is Nov 14 17:15:19 Jing Li, commented to let us know that the choice to go with the iPhone was made because it was "cool," but he soon realized that choice was a "horrible mistake." Nov 14 17:16:48 whos jing li Nov 14 17:17:03 why was it a horrible mistake Nov 14 17:17:37 Nasa scientist, he used a iPhone to make some cool little feature shit like concentration of a specific chemical in the air. Nov 14 17:17:59 O_o Nov 14 17:18:03 where plugging in a device to the bottom of it, and the iPhone doing all the math jazz Nov 14 17:18:08 oh Nov 14 17:18:14 no mention of why it was a mistake. Nov 14 17:18:32 maybe he hates himself Nov 14 17:18:44 why did the android cross the road? Nov 14 17:18:55 to get to the other winmo Nov 14 17:19:06 because it was in the chickens beak Nov 14 17:20:32 why did the hand cross the road? Nov 14 17:21:29 omg.... please no off Nov 14 17:28:06 ok guys. my last cyanogen rom was 4.02 since then i have not installed anything. so is there something new that is required to load the the latest ROM? Nov 14 17:28:10 It just wont boot Nov 14 17:28:27 yes Nov 14 17:28:28 4.24 wont boot Nov 14 17:28:33 you need to install the latest adp image first Nov 14 17:28:40 ah Nov 14 17:29:20 but check out #cyanogenmod for more help Nov 14 17:29:41 or you can check out the CM wiki on www.cyanogenmod.com Nov 14 17:30:03 canadiancow: thanks...i figure something must be missing. Nov 14 17:31:59 is android clean of those subscription based verizon apps? Nov 14 17:37:55 Bleubeard depends on who u buy it frmo Nov 14 17:38:40 well. i have verizon Nov 14 17:40:17 bleubeard yes... Nov 14 17:40:26 there aren't hardly any vzw apps Nov 14 17:40:32 no vcast which kinda makes me mad Nov 14 17:41:30 meh nevermind. dont think ill be upgrading at $560 Nov 14 17:41:37 O_O# Nov 14 17:41:44 upgrading from what to what Nov 14 17:41:57 i have a Dare right now Nov 14 17:42:07 i love my droid Nov 14 17:42:13 droid is showing up as $560 Nov 14 17:43:49 apps available on Dare suck. and cant sync with mac Nov 14 17:47:35 560 with no 2 yr upgrade? Nov 14 17:47:45 cause i paid 300 with 100 mail in rebate Nov 14 17:48:44 oh it says 560 month-to-month Nov 14 17:49:01 nah with 2 yr contract it's only 300 if you buy online it's like 150 Nov 14 17:50:15 hm Nov 14 17:51:04 lol DROID is a trademark of Lucasfilm Ltd. Nov 14 17:51:50 i guess its showing that price, if i kept my current plan. i think ive have to upgrade my plan to get it for 199 Nov 14 17:54:06 Bleubeard, add another line for 9.99, then get the droid, swap the ESM's online and cancel the second line. thats what i did, gets you the new rate, you pay 210 (well 310, with the 100 mail in) Nov 14 17:54:55 ok Nov 14 17:55:09 gotta pay 175 to cancel that line though Nov 14 18:25:11 What is an END-button? Nov 14 18:25:16 the red button? Nov 14 18:25:28 yes Nov 14 18:25:32 Thank you. Nov 14 18:25:42 on some phones it's not red, but yeah, if it's red then that's the one Nov 14 18:56:14 whats the iphones screen ratio Nov 14 18:57:06 3:2.. Nov 14 18:57:09 hello everyone Nov 14 19:01:04 Jengoris: how should we know? This is #android not #apple :P Nov 14 19:01:37 Jengoris iPhone is not on android! Nov 14 19:02:59 well i thought Nov 14 19:03:08 know your friends well, know your enemies better Nov 14 19:03:08 You thought wrong. Nov 14 19:03:17 good evening Nov 14 19:03:23 evening? Nov 14 19:03:26 its 2 am here Nov 14 19:03:31 8pm here Nov 14 19:03:32 ;-) Nov 14 19:03:33 keep your friends close, but your enemies closer Nov 14 19:03:37 wow the more i look into droid, the more i want one Nov 14 19:03:37 thats it Nov 14 19:03:48 donmt stare at it too long Nov 14 19:03:54 it'll cause damage to your eyes Nov 14 19:04:08 you're easy will turn to the shape of a heart Nov 14 19:05:24 wat Nov 14 19:05:36 no, you what Nov 14 19:06:11 WHAT Nov 14 19:06:14 Hello is the new verions of android out yet? Nov 14 19:06:26 no Nov 14 19:06:33 what is it coming out? Nov 14 19:06:37 go away Nov 14 19:06:40 lol Nov 14 19:07:02 he could compile it himself? Nov 14 19:07:26 when a new version does come. will the droid be able to run it? or is the droid built just for 2.0 Nov 14 19:07:32 hey yall Nov 14 19:08:02 lol ? Nov 14 19:08:07 of course the droid will run it, fool Nov 14 19:08:22 all android needs in an ARM Nov 14 19:08:24 and a LEG Nov 14 19:08:26 could someone tell me what pastry version my phone is? Nov 14 19:08:30 saw some kids messing around with the G1 and decided that i should learn about android Nov 14 19:08:39 G1 is UHGE Nov 14 19:08:41 *huge Nov 14 19:08:43 Its a BEAST Nov 14 19:08:47 its like. 17mm! Nov 14 19:08:49 wow Nov 14 19:08:59 i ws hoping there was an emulator and there is, yay Nov 14 19:09:02 you mgiht aswell carry the entire internet around with you in pysical form! Nov 14 19:09:54 i dl the SDK and added the pkgs and setup an avd, but when i start it, the screen just site on A N D R O I D _ Nov 14 19:09:58 what do i do Nov 14 19:10:57 i want a hard copy of the internet Nov 14 19:10:57 yea, progress, it now has the letters in blue with a silver light moving across it Nov 14 19:11:55 using windows vista, any ideas? Nov 14 19:13:32 Jengoris: that's what SHE- nevermind Nov 14 19:14:07 SHE-MAN? Nov 14 19:14:15 InsanePenguin: it should've booted up by now Nov 14 19:14:17 Right? Nov 14 19:14:27 dang my network is so slow Nov 14 19:14:28 WHATS Nov 14 19:14:34 whats the cube root of infinity? Nov 14 19:15:14 Infinity Nov 14 19:15:15 coolbho3k: will im sure it shoud have boot by now, but it still says android in blue letter and such Nov 14 19:15:21 adb logcat Nov 14 19:15:27 It might just be very slow Nov 14 19:15:40 insanepenguin: is there anything helpful in the console to give you an idea what it's doing? Nov 14 19:15:41 how can you get out of the recovery mode? Nov 14 19:15:49 darn, what would cause that Nov 14 19:15:53 Listen Nov 14 19:15:56 Wana know a secret? Nov 14 19:16:02 OmG!!~~ That Phone is HEWG. TWELVE (12!!) MM Nov 14 19:16:05 OmG!!~~ That Phone is HEWG. TWELVE (12!!) MM!! Nov 14 19:16:10 whats 12mm ? Nov 14 19:16:27 12! Nov 14 19:16:31 o _ o 12 isnt large Nov 14 19:16:50 i'm just exagurating how you act when a phone slightly thicker than another is considered "big" Nov 14 19:17:22 LOL Nov 14 19:17:27 do you understand how large 17mm is? Nov 14 19:17:37 you could fit 17 milimetres in that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 14 19:17:38 it's 3 mm short of 2 cm Nov 14 19:18:05 I need a new phone :( Google now that you've dropped 2.0 in AOSP, any new dev phone announcements? Nov 14 19:18:18 D R A G O N Nov 14 19:18:27 what's AOSP? Nov 14 19:18:39 http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=HTC+Dragon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a Nov 14 19:18:40 athabasca oil sands project Nov 14 19:19:21 I don't want a phone without a physical keyboard Nov 14 19:19:33 I want a pony too Nov 14 19:19:51 that's either quick wit or an unfortunatly nonsensical answer Nov 14 19:20:22 Anti ornithopter skiing project Nov 14 19:20:53 hmm Nov 14 19:20:57 google aosp Nov 14 19:21:02 first result is oil sands Nov 14 19:21:47 ok. got it Nov 14 19:21:50 it means android open source POWER =D Nov 14 19:22:08 If it was open source power i would actually have the source :) Nov 14 19:22:23 tortib, android.git.kernel.org bading! Nov 14 19:22:32 :) Nov 14 19:22:38 is this 3rd party? Nov 14 19:22:57 the source, the whole source and nothing but the source Nov 14 19:22:58 3rd party? Nov 14 19:23:18 yeah as in is this the actual source code from google? Nov 14 19:23:24 keny: unless you want the source to the radio, the audio library, google market, etc. Nov 14 19:23:29 its the AOSP Nov 14 19:23:30 newsham: exactly. Nov 14 19:23:52 thats specific to hardware Nov 14 19:24:10 and there are closed source apps as well, yes Nov 14 19:24:17 but the OS is there Nov 14 19:24:28 open source means everything except the hardware specifics? Nov 14 19:24:34 Does the browser in AOSP have multitouch enabled? Nov 14 19:24:37 are googles apps written native or java? Nov 14 19:24:46 ballresin: yes Nov 14 19:24:55 newsham, firmware, drivers and some other stuff being closed is inevitable Nov 14 19:24:56 ballresin: java* sorry. Nov 14 19:25:10 keny: then it isn't open source :) Nov 14 19:25:10 hm Nov 14 19:25:11 ok Nov 14 19:25:12 keny: some of the closed src is not firmware or drivers Nov 14 19:25:19 newsham, especially if you are targetting such a broad market Nov 14 19:25:19 the hd2's screen is 44% larger than the iphones Nov 14 19:25:20 also: not open src Nov 14 19:25:21 i finally worked it out Nov 14 19:25:45 if android was open source, there would be android 2.0 for adp1 right now Nov 14 19:25:50 in inches or pixels? Nov 14 19:26:11 square inches Nov 14 19:26:14 wel Nov 14 19:26:15 square units Nov 14 19:26:20 then tell me whats open source, I am running linux here, with propietary hardware drivers. the n900 wich runs maemo uses closed drivers Nov 14 19:26:26 really? Nov 14 19:26:33 Ya rly Nov 14 19:26:39 do you not find it odd that an "open src" project's newest release is not available for anything but new phones right now? Nov 14 19:26:42 and i think some of the nokia apps on top are closed as well Nov 14 19:26:43 It's inevitable. there should be an open source hardware projects Nov 14 19:26:43 s/new/new closed/ Nov 14 19:26:48 yeah linux does have closed source drivers, but the OS is still open source. Nov 14 19:26:53 all schematics of everything are open Nov 14 19:26:57 its over 5 inches diagonal? Nov 14 19:27:02 no Nov 14 19:27:03 an open processor architecture Nov 14 19:27:07 its 4.3" Nov 14 19:27:08 a man can dream Nov 14 19:27:17 the surface area of the screen is 44% larger Nov 14 19:27:20 keny: I have several operating systems here where I have every line of the code that runs on the main cpu (not firmware for peripherals) Nov 14 19:27:22 tortib, exactly Nov 14 19:27:24 the iphone is 3.5 Nov 14 19:27:27 yes Nov 14 19:27:35 a 2" screen is 4 times the size of a 1" screen Nov 14 19:27:55 in pixels, yes Nov 14 19:28:00 (3.5^2)/(4.3^2) ~ .66 Nov 14 19:28:02 no Nov 14 19:28:04 no Nov 14 19:28:08 Ballresin you're an idiot Nov 14 19:28:11 not in pixel Nov 14 19:28:13 in surface area Nov 14 19:28:24 2" screen can have same number of pizels or less than a 1" screen Nov 14 19:28:31 ^ Nov 14 19:28:39 ok, I was referring to diagonal. Nov 14 19:28:49 Nvm Nov 14 19:28:49 so are the others. Nov 14 19:28:57 you can't square and get area Nov 14 19:28:57 coolbho3k thats not totally accurate as they have different screen ratios Nov 14 19:28:59 ROFL Nov 14 19:29:00 fo shizzle, pixel. Nov 14 19:29:02 I'm so dump Nov 14 19:29:03 *dumb Nov 14 19:29:12 Wtf was I thinking Nov 14 19:29:16 if they had the same screen ratio using that formula u did would work Nov 14 19:29:17 Screens aren't square Nov 14 19:29:19 so surface area is not equivalent to pixels. I see how I'm the idiot Nov 14 19:29:23 No it would never work Nov 14 19:29:25 I need more sleep Nov 14 19:29:27 it would work Nov 14 19:29:30 Unless the screens were square Nov 14 19:29:30 think about it Nov 14 19:29:31 newsham, yes 2.0 is incomplete as of yet Nov 14 19:29:34 4.3 by 4.3 Nov 14 19:29:36 ROFL Nov 14 19:29:40 no, they dont have to be square to get a % difffernce in size Nov 14 19:29:45 keny: open src! Nov 14 19:29:52 Uhh, what is the ratio of the screen? height to width? Nov 14 19:29:58 yeah Nov 14 19:30:09 newsham, AOSP is open source, even if there are drivers for some phones wich are closed Nov 14 19:30:11 Okay I'm dumb Nov 14 19:30:28 you arent dumb Nov 14 19:30:29 heh "drivers for some phones" Nov 14 19:30:44 you make it sound so trivial. Nov 14 19:31:07 You are! Nov 14 19:31:22 there's a lot more than "drivers for some phones" Nov 14 19:31:24 misisng Nov 14 19:31:48 I bet jsharpe knows the right answer Nov 14 19:31:54 hm? Nov 14 19:32:01 newsham, whats missing for 1.6 ? Nov 14 19:32:11 what's the question Ballresin? Nov 14 19:32:43 Fact: instead of advertising diagonal size Nov 14 19:32:50 screens should be advertised by their surface area Nov 14 19:32:52 compare droid vs. iphone screens Nov 14 19:32:58 droid has .1sq" less surface area Nov 14 19:33:03 what? Nov 14 19:33:07 less? Nov 14 19:33:08 u sure? Nov 14 19:33:08 this is a fact? wow Nov 14 19:33:17 but the droid has like almost 3x the pixel density Nov 14 19:33:19 are you high? Nov 14 19:33:24 yes, less Nov 14 19:33:36 droid is 3 1/4" x 1 13/16" Nov 14 19:33:41 iphone is 3"x2" Nov 14 19:33:54 keny: all the platform stuff you have to copy from a real phone in order to install 1.6 on your phone Nov 14 19:33:56 huh ? Nov 14 19:34:03 do you not know math Nov 14 19:34:04 newsham, you can port android (it is , in fact, ported) to the freerunner, which i think emphasizes on being 100% open source, even drivers AND hardware design Nov 14 19:34:08 :p Nov 14 19:34:20 [09:27] < coolbho3k> Screens aren't square Nov 14 19:34:42 pfn thats not right Nov 14 19:34:53 what's not right Nov 14 19:34:55 newsham, thats because HTC has not open sourced some stuff, AFAIK thats not up to google Nov 14 19:34:57 if its screen size was 3" by 2" it would mean the diagonal was 3.61" Nov 14 19:35:06 this cyanogen thing keeps blacking out while I'm in the middle of doing things. WTF? Nov 14 19:35:07 doesnt matter. lets say the angle the diagonal is to the base is theta. then diag = sqrt((d*sin theta)^2 + (d*cos theta)^2) = sqrt(d^2 (cos^2 theta + sin^2 theta)) = sqrt(d^2) = d Nov 14 19:35:23 Jengoris, maybe so, my ruler might be a tiny bit off :p Nov 14 19:35:24 err.. blah Nov 14 19:35:29 i messed it up Nov 14 19:35:47 hey, I've been finding contradictory information about this online: does anyone know if I can use an unlocked G1 in Tokyo? Nov 14 19:36:01 with a Japanese SIM card, that is. Nov 14 19:36:08 it's probably more like 1 15/16 x 2 15/16 Nov 14 19:36:10 area = d^2 (cos theta . sin theta) which is pretty close to d^2 for all by extreme angles Nov 14 19:36:44 d^2 isn't close Nov 14 19:37:08 droid screen is nowhere near 10sq" Nov 14 19:38:09 my droid won't open attachments... Nov 14 19:38:13 rather half of d^2 Nov 14 19:38:24 might be almost close Nov 14 19:41:36 ok so Nov 14 19:43:00 hmm, if I got with 1 15/16 x 2 15/16 then the iphone's screen is now slightly smaller, heh Nov 14 19:44:33 isnt there an online calculator Nov 14 19:44:46 Google does math Nov 14 19:44:56 What is "back"-key? Nov 14 19:44:59 I'd rather go with exact screen dimensions Nov 14 19:45:06 red or the arrow? Nov 14 19:45:08 we have al lthe info we need Nov 14 19:45:12 the diagonal and the ratio Nov 14 19:45:23 Jengoris, mfr's round numbers up and down Nov 14 19:45:24 http://www.google.com/search?q=pi+*+4^2 Nov 14 19:45:30 heoa: arrow Nov 14 19:45:33 heoa, the back arrow Nov 14 19:46:12 Thank you. Nov 14 19:47:08 http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page.asp?divid=Motorola&model=Motorola+Droid+A855&skuno=85109 Nov 14 19:47:14 that's cheap, everyone's out of stock on it, though Nov 14 19:48:06 What does Home+red_button do in Recovery mode? Nov 14 19:48:12 let theta = atan(ratio); area = diag^2 * sin(theta) * cos(theta) / 2 Nov 14 19:48:43 err. sorry, without the "/ 2" Nov 14 19:49:51 there's an app on the att iphone that keeps the iphone screen clean.. it's called safari, it stays clean because the internet is so slow, nobody uses it. Nov 14 19:50:16 sweet. port it Nov 14 19:50:21 I don't worry about scratches so much, but fingerprints and glare drive me nuts Nov 14 19:50:32 and not to mention, glass sucks if your fingers are the least bit sweaty Nov 14 19:50:33 kroot: too late. androids browser already uses the same code. its called "webkit" Nov 14 19:50:46 well, port the screen cleaning part Nov 14 19:50:52 nobody got the joke Nov 14 19:50:54 * pfn really likes his anti-glare film on his ipod touch Nov 14 19:51:16 * kroot checks his watch impatiently and looks at jeev. Nov 14 19:51:26 it was a good joke :/ Nov 14 19:53:44 here, Manipulate[ Nov 14 19:53:44 a^2*Sin[ArcTan[b/c]]*Cos[ArcTan[b/c]], {a, 0, 10}, {b, 0, 16}, {c, 0, Nov 14 19:53:44 16}] Nov 14 19:53:47 there, Manipulate[ Nov 14 19:53:47 a^2*Sin[ArcTan[b/c]]*Cos[ArcTan[b/c]], {a, 0, 10}, {b, 0, 16}, {c, 0, Nov 14 19:53:47 16}] Nov 14 19:53:52 Manipulate[ Nov 14 19:53:52 a^2*Sin[ArcTan[b/c]]*Cos[ArcTan[b/c]], {a, 0, 10}, {b, 0, 16}, {c, 0, Nov 14 19:53:52 16}] Nov 14 19:53:59 Jengoris, lrn2pastebin Nov 14 19:54:07 Manipulate[a^2*Sin[ArcTan[b/c]]*Cos[ArcTan[b/c]], {a, 0, 10}, {b, 0, 16}, {c, 0, 16}] Nov 14 19:54:10 what Nov 14 19:54:16 ffs Nov 14 19:54:19 fucking computer Nov 14 19:54:28 I HATE LIFE Nov 14 19:54:28 Jengoris: language! Nov 14 19:54:52 Jengoris: try a paste site, like android.privatepaste.com Nov 14 19:55:01 its just one line Nov 14 19:55:15 and im a tard Nov 14 19:55:16 Jengoris: yeah, but your IRC client doesnt' seem to like it Nov 14 19:55:25 OMG LEARN TO PASTEBIN M4N Nov 14 19:55:30 ITS ONE Nov 14 19:55:32 LINE Nov 14 19:55:33 lol, what happened happened ;) Nov 14 19:55:37 yea i know i've done that a thousand times muauhah Nov 14 19:55:40 i was kidding Nov 14 19:55:50 Anyway, Nov 14 19:56:07 bloody wanker Nov 14 19:56:11 here's a thing: give me a screen diagonal and the ratio of the screen and i can calculate the surface area quickly Nov 14 19:56:17 using amthematica Nov 14 19:58:11 ipohne 3.5" 3:2 ratio = 5.65385 square inches. hd2 is 4.3" 5:3 ratio = 8.15735 square inches Nov 14 20:01:07 lg Nov 14 20:01:29 lgs 4" screen chocolate is only 5.817" square inches Nov 14 20:03:12 if it was a 4" square would be 8" Nov 14 20:06:01 Heh. Nov 14 20:06:11 :D Nov 14 20:07:20 4" square is 8 square inches? Nov 14 20:07:32 4" diagonal Nov 14 20:07:32 yes Nov 14 20:07:32 Yup Nov 14 20:07:36 Ah. That 4". Nov 14 20:07:48 lol Nov 14 20:08:03 Not that other 4" Nov 14 20:08:14 o.o Nov 14 20:08:18 rofl Nov 14 20:08:19 Diagonal measurements are such a rip Nov 14 20:09:07 its just an irrelevant measure Nov 14 20:09:14 its like measuring height in kgs or something Nov 14 20:09:35 Nah Nov 14 20:09:37 you buy carpet in square feet, not feet Nov 14 20:09:49 it's just legacy. Nov 14 20:09:55 It's like comparing a person's height by the length of their toes Nov 14 20:09:57 it was a dumb idea in the first palce Nov 14 20:10:20 actually, it made sense. Nov 14 20:10:24 Marketing Nov 14 20:10:25 Umm... 4" square is NOT 8" diagonal Nov 14 20:10:31 RyeBrye, read again Nov 14 20:10:32 It's 5.65 inches diagonally Nov 14 20:10:44 A square with a 4" diagonal is 8 square inches in area Nov 14 20:11:03 but 4x4 is 16, and 2x8 is 16, and sqrt(2*2 + 8*8) is 8.24621125123532109964! Nov 14 20:11:24 zinx hmm Nov 14 20:11:27 i think you went wrong somewhere Nov 14 20:11:36 BEING BORN Nov 14 20:11:43 so /my/ 2"x8" 16"^2 screen is bigger than your puny little 4"x4" 16"^2 screen Nov 14 20:11:44 It's a common mistake Nov 14 20:12:07 Yes, a 2 x 8 screen is larger diagonally Nov 14 20:12:19 someone should make an android app to figure this out Nov 14 20:12:23 It's double ultra wide screen Nov 14 20:12:23 hence the rush to 16:9 ratio for computers Nov 14 20:12:29 they can have a bigger number with a smaller screen. Nov 14 20:12:38 Lg's chocolate is 23:10 Nov 14 20:12:50 wide wide screen Nov 14 20:13:01 huge number, barely any pixels ;) Nov 14 20:13:23 dpi is another story Nov 14 20:13:45 droids DPI is 261 i think Nov 14 20:13:50 average monitor is like 100 or osmethin Nov 14 20:13:54 MASSIVE difference Nov 14 20:13:57 I know, however, that a phone with a 50" screen would be too large to fit in my pocket, regardless of the aspect ratio. Nov 14 20:14:12 wrong Nov 14 20:14:37 50" is definitaly too large Nov 14 20:14:42 to fit in MY pocket Nov 14 20:14:43 idk... Nov 14 20:14:44 jbq: you just need a 8" by 8" pocket Nov 14 20:14:44 but not yours Nov 14 20:15:00 I don't have such deep pockets :D Nov 14 20:15:07 so nobody's been to Japan with a G1? Nov 14 20:15:18 No! Nov 14 20:15:21 I meant, 50" diagonal, not 50 square inches :) Nov 14 20:15:31 Oh i thougtht you meant 50 cubic inches Nov 14 20:15:39 my penis is more than 50 cubnic inches Nov 14 20:15:39 someone should make a 16" diagonal screen that is one pixel high. Nov 14 20:15:43 oops Nov 14 20:15:45 What is a cubnic? Nov 14 20:16:01 its a typo Nov 14 20:17:26 have they put android on a non-touchscreen device? Nov 14 20:18:40 http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/screen.html Nov 14 20:19:28 lol waht's that Nov 14 20:19:34 calculator for screen area Nov 14 20:19:41 for the whiners Nov 14 20:19:50 ? Nov 14 20:19:58 uh ok Nov 14 20:20:05 good stuff. Nov 14 20:20:09 what is the math it is using Nov 14 20:20:17 view source Nov 14 20:22:28 what Nov 14 20:22:40 do u own mathematica, use what i made earlier Nov 14 20:22:46 It works better than urs Nov 14 20:22:53 coz u dont ned to figure out the ratio Nov 14 20:22:54 how is that even possible? Nov 14 20:23:05 u input height n width Nov 14 20:23:10 in pixels Nov 14 20:23:15 eg 800 then 480 Nov 14 20:23:17 or ratio Nov 14 20:23:19 eg 10 6 Nov 14 20:23:20 and it calculates the products of the two numbers you input? Nov 14 20:23:21 amazing :) Nov 14 20:23:25 no Nov 14 20:23:37 it just means i dont have to work out 10/6 in my head before i go to your page Nov 14 20:23:45 i mean my page Nov 14 20:23:46 ur pages i have to Nov 14 20:23:52 I WIN Nov 14 20:24:01 * Jengoris does the VICTORY DANCE Nov 14 20:25:58 anyone have invisible shield? Nov 14 20:26:16 I do, it's right here Nov 14 20:26:17 see? Nov 14 20:26:41 lol Nov 14 20:26:44 hi Nov 14 20:26:52 zagg's invisible shield for android phone Nov 14 20:27:11 overpriced Nov 14 20:27:35 zagg can't be removed, right Nov 14 20:27:39 it sounds kinda crappy, imo Nov 14 20:27:40 uh Nov 14 20:27:43 of course it can Nov 14 20:27:55 so no adhesive? Nov 14 20:27:59 jeng: try now Nov 14 20:28:08 it leaves no residue Nov 14 20:28:24 imagine a selotape that leaves no crap behind Nov 14 20:28:33 i got it on my ipod touch i put it on myself and i was wanting to get it done by professional instead lol Nov 14 20:28:36 its basically the same as the screen protector that comes with the phone Nov 14 20:28:43 O_o Nov 14 20:28:46 a professional? Nov 14 20:28:55 i dont think anyone does that professionally Nov 14 20:29:09 ya they do Nov 14 20:29:16 there's a pagoda in the mall back home my dad got his done at Nov 14 20:29:40 your dad is a liar Nov 14 20:29:44 and you're gullible Nov 14 20:29:55 im not falling for this bs again Nov 14 20:29:59 its the same story every time Nov 14 20:30:06 "my dad did X and X is amazing" blah blah Nov 14 20:30:24 go tell someone who cares Nov 14 20:30:55 so .. am I missing something, or does the Barcode App not automatically clipboard text QR barcodes like it does normal ones Nov 14 20:31:10 seems unfortunate, since QR ones are so much easier to work with Nov 14 20:33:48 jeng: does it make you happy now? Nov 14 20:34:04 So, could someone explain to me how I can constantly update a textview Nov 14 20:34:29 eljimbo: do you have a handle on it in the code Nov 14 20:34:56 I'm new to android development, I've done the notepad tutorials, they update ListViews in that tutorial by binding them to the db cursor Nov 14 20:35:27 But I'm simply trying to make an application that prints out our current GPS location (lat, long) Nov 14 20:35:44 eljimbo, so run a service or thread that polls every X seconds Nov 14 20:35:49 or if there's a gps callback, then that Nov 14 20:36:09 lets say you called your text view "text" in the .xml file, then get a handle on it by doing text = (TextView)findViewById(R.id.text); Nov 14 20:36:26 pfn: I haven't even gotten here yet, still trying to figure out how to update a textview Nov 14 20:36:30 now you can later do text.setText("this is the new text"); Nov 14 20:36:33 oh, nm .. the QR generator I was using was generating blank codes heh Nov 14 20:36:37 ahh Nov 14 20:36:48 I think I see, let me check it out. Thanks newsham Nov 14 20:36:50 denon, silly you :p Nov 14 20:36:52 np Nov 14 20:37:01 btw, there's android-developers channel for dev questions Nov 14 20:37:08 might get quicker answers there Nov 14 20:37:24 oh, shit yeah thats probably a better spot. Thanks again Nov 14 20:38:14 fact Nov 14 20:38:23 Android needs more phones Nov 14 20:38:38 there's already like >7 handsets available, no? Nov 14 20:38:40 fact Nov 14 20:38:53 droid, droid eris, hero, g1, mytouch, ok, I'm tapped after 5 Nov 14 20:38:53 wow, 7 Nov 14 20:38:55 pfn, and >7 suck, droid doesnt Nov 14 20:39:08 tattoo Nov 14 20:39:10 g1 sucks Nov 14 20:39:13 tattoo scks Nov 14 20:39:13 you forgot galaxy, and moment Nov 14 20:39:19 are they both out yet? Nov 14 20:39:25 dell's android is out now Nov 14 20:39:28 G1 is good..... but dated Nov 14 20:39:28 pfn: it looked like a legit code .. Nov 14 20:39:31 tattoo is pretty sweet actually, faster than your g1 :O Nov 14 20:39:31 the moment's out Nov 14 20:39:35 pfn: scanned fine, etc Nov 14 20:39:45 denon, doesn't it tell you what it found in the scan? Nov 14 20:39:46 tattoo has a 2.8 inch screen Nov 14 20:39:46 pfn: and the barcode reader says, "yay! found text!" Nov 14 20:39:48 galaxy's been out forever Nov 14 20:39:51 and its RESISTIVE Nov 14 20:39:52 yeah it does Nov 14 20:39:53 EVIL Nov 14 20:39:56 and? Nov 14 20:40:00 lol you're an idiot Nov 14 20:40:04 and ressitive screens are the root of all evil Nov 14 20:40:12 pfn: but apparently it was just null text .. the one at zxing.appspot works great Nov 14 20:40:20 id never buy a resistive screen but it's still a pretty good phone Nov 14 20:40:24 denon, google has their own qrcode generator as well Nov 14 20:40:31 whats the tattoos aspect ratio Nov 14 20:40:31 pfn: I'm just too lazy to type passwords and logins and stuff Nov 14 20:40:38 pfn: yeah, this is the one from charts.api.google Nov 14 20:40:43 anyways, droid is the only really cool handset out there Nov 14 20:41:10 o_O Nov 14 20:41:12 pfn: I have this ugly habit of using 20-30 character random passwords .. that's a lotta alts and shifts and symbol button pushes Nov 14 20:41:28 the droid is ugly Nov 14 20:41:46 i think it looks sexy Nov 14 20:41:59 the droid is relatively ugly Nov 14 20:42:01 and I have one Nov 14 20:42:01 :p Nov 14 20:42:07 ya and if your droid ever stops working you can throw it at people Nov 14 20:42:10 it's like a brick Nov 14 20:42:12 its awesome, doesn't matter if its ugly Nov 14 20:42:13 haha Nov 14 20:42:22 the tattoo screen size is 3.7632 square inches. the hd2 is 8.15735 square inches Nov 14 20:42:22 a brick? rofl you're stupid Nov 14 20:42:26 do u see the difference now? Nov 14 20:42:32 droid, 13.7mm thick Nov 14 20:42:39 it's heavy as shit Nov 14 20:42:40 mytouch 3g, 13.65 Nov 14 20:42:42 I care if its ugly, i have to look at it constantly Nov 14 20:42:46 saying the droid is ugly is like saying a 16-way cray workstation is ugly .. sure, it's not gorgeous .. but who cares :) Nov 14 20:42:49 my house is built with bricks thinner than 13.7mm Nov 14 20:42:58 jengoris I never said the screen wasn't small, I said you're an idiot Nov 14 20:43:03 denon consumers do Nov 14 20:43:11 Jengoris: I'm happily consuming my droid Nov 14 20:43:24 people care about how their phones look Nov 14 20:43:25 say what you will, but it's got a nicer screen than whatever you're carrying :) Nov 14 20:43:30 infact its one of the biggest things for the average person Nov 14 20:43:45 Jengoris: that says a lot about the problems our society has, I guess Nov 14 20:43:52 denon, true Nov 14 20:43:58 Uh? Nov 14 20:44:01 jengoris, look at the people in this room Nov 14 20:44:05 How? people like art, Nov 14 20:44:06 then look at yourself Nov 14 20:44:09 art is good, Nov 14 20:44:14 people like style, Nov 14 20:44:15 ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS Nov 14 20:44:21 * denon snickers Nov 14 20:44:23 one of these things just doesn't belong Nov 14 20:44:35 be nice tommy Nov 14 20:44:40 lol Nov 14 20:44:48 there's nothing wrong with liking something that looks better over something that performs better Nov 14 20:44:57 or vice versa Nov 14 20:45:02 right Nov 14 20:45:24 sure, but I'm not throwing criticisms at people who like pretty things Nov 14 20:45:25 but as a rule, I think if you're buying a device, it should be that .. if you're buying jewelery, then do so Nov 14 20:45:45 but he's bashing anyone who could possibly like a droid (all 250k of them so far) Nov 14 20:45:50 Damn the looks, it has GOOGLE. Nov 14 20:46:30 people have different tastes.. i mean i don't like fat women.. but some men do.. Nov 14 20:46:54 man, you can get a ton of data into a QR code Nov 14 20:47:26 nelson8403_ exactly, which is why i appreciate your mother so much more than everyone else Nov 14 20:47:29 eragherga4 Nov 14 20:47:37 nice password Nov 14 20:47:45 okay, did I say he was an idiot? I rest my case Nov 14 20:47:46 haha well yes my mother is fat Nov 14 20:47:58 haha well yes i kno Nov 14 20:48:32 and the droid is a VZW exclusive, VZW service up here sucks, so I would never get one of their phones Nov 14 20:48:41 it won't be for long Nov 14 20:48:49 how's att around there? Nov 14 20:48:54 man .. I just copied like half this conversation into a QR code Nov 14 20:49:02 and droid happily stuffed it into my clipboard Nov 14 20:49:07 att's better, but they don't have 3g Nov 14 20:49:08 gotta love it Nov 14 20:49:34 oh, where do you live? Nov 14 20:49:40 northwest illinois Nov 14 20:49:48 aww that sucks Nov 14 20:50:18 well therell be a version with att 3g freqs, idk about your area though :( Nov 14 20:50:45 the verizon data network is awesome, all around. but it drops calls, i had a storm for work before Nov 14 20:50:49 Seriously, TommyB? Nov 14 20:50:56 I didn't know that. Nov 14 20:51:01 yeah Nov 14 20:51:06 International import? Nov 14 20:51:10 probs won't be sold by att Nov 14 20:51:20 central/south america or canada Nov 14 20:51:26 oo nice Nov 14 20:51:31 but it passed fcc with 850/1900/2100 Nov 14 20:51:34 Nice. Nov 14 20:51:47 I'm pumped, being on at&t Nov 14 20:51:56 Well if AT&T doesn't get it, I'm gonna have to do the iPhone resale trick Nov 14 20:52:31 yeah man that's the way to go Nov 14 20:52:36 I did it; 3 times Nov 14 21:07:11 hi guys, I'm trying to install the android SDK (Android API 4 by way of the SDK and AVD manager) on kubuntu 9.10 - and it's not working. The Android API 4 is downloaded, but apparently never actually installed. Any hints? Nov 14 21:07:41 sdk folder has a setup.exe Nov 14 21:07:48 run it, install all updates Nov 14 21:08:00 if you're not on windows, gfy Nov 14 21:10:24 gfy? Nov 14 21:10:48 go yourself Nov 14 21:11:21 heh, thnx ;) Nov 14 21:11:32 :) Nov 14 21:11:50 I'm just kidding but I can't help if that's the case Nov 14 21:13:31 well I'm running the manager from eclipse now - that seems to work a little better Nov 14 21:13:37 so perhaps it'll just work now Nov 14 21:16:25 hi, how can I backup my contacts? they don't show in google mail account (don't know why, maybe italian TIM version is broken) Nov 14 21:16:46 I would love to save in csv for instance, android 1.1 on G1 here Nov 14 21:18:34 markit, settings, data synchronization, menu, sync now Nov 14 21:18:48 or get contacts2sim to do it Nov 14 21:19:45 TommyB: settings, data syncronization, enable sync is the only choice I have (and below the "gmail" item) Nov 14 21:20:08 (I've italian version, I'm trying to translate on the fly) Nov 14 21:20:31 ok, menu, sync now Nov 14 21:20:42 but then I log in my google account with firefox Nov 14 21:20:53 and look at "contacts", and don't find my android ones Nov 14 21:20:58 hmm Nov 14 21:21:08 weird, idk Nov 14 21:26:22 isn't there an option for the contact to be a phone, gmail or sim contact? Nov 14 21:26:31 need to go in and edit each contact to say it's a gmail contact, I think Nov 14 21:31:50 pfn: let me check Nov 14 21:32:14 I remember some bad news about TIM having "blocked" sync, but thought were roumors Nov 14 21:32:46 I've avoided sync, I don't like google know my contacts, but since I'm going to root the phone and become Free, I have to save them somhow Nov 14 21:33:01 become free? heh Nov 14 21:33:29 markit, you can get contacts2sim from market, it saves all of your contacts to your sim card Nov 14 21:35:29 TommyB: can't find with that name Nov 14 21:37:22 funny, I'm more "locked" now than I was with my old WinCE5 device :( Nov 14 21:41:53 Listen Nov 14 21:42:03 give me a screen size and aspect ratio Nov 14 21:42:40 uh, 320x480, which is 1:1.5 Nov 14 21:42:42 what for Nov 14 21:45:19 whats diagonal size Nov 14 21:45:26 x" Nov 14 21:45:56 3.2", or 3.1" Nov 14 21:46:01 whatever the spec says Nov 14 21:46:02 TommyB: sorry to bug you again... I can't find the app you suggested, could you check it please? Nov 14 21:46:03 which Nov 14 21:46:13 maybe you remember the wrong name... Nov 14 21:46:14 hmmmm Nov 14 21:46:51 lol its contact2sim Nov 14 21:47:00 not contacts, contact Nov 14 21:47:43 let me try again Nov 14 21:48:32 nope :( Nov 14 21:48:42 umm Nov 14 21:50:02 search pub:happydroid Nov 14 21:50:28 is it a joke or for true? Nov 14 21:50:33 .... Nov 14 21:50:44 I just searched contact2sim and it came up in market Nov 14 21:50:50 lrn 2 type? idk Nov 14 21:51:16 my type is correct, checked 4 times Nov 14 21:51:30 maybe it's not free and you can't view paid apps in your country? Nov 14 21:51:46 if I search "contact" I have lot of results Nov 14 21:51:52 its free Nov 14 21:52:04 if I search "contact2sim" appears the "sorry not found" page Nov 14 21:53:08 well, I don't know what to tell you Nov 14 21:54:37 TommyB: sure, thanks a lot for your help, I will try to discover why Nov 14 21:54:48 good luck Nov 14 22:01:38 hmm Nov 14 22:02:08 hmmmmm Nov 14 22:04:13 booooooo Nov 14 22:04:19 ??? Nov 14 22:04:28 booing appleboy Nov 14 22:04:33 what I do? Nov 14 22:04:43 you're an apple fan Nov 14 22:04:47 your an apple Nov 14 22:04:59 yeah, and an apple Nov 14 22:05:03 TommyB: they taste good Nov 14 22:05:05 crapple Nov 14 22:05:12 they get worms Nov 14 22:05:18 hahahha Nov 14 22:05:19 and rot Nov 14 22:05:33 yea and can have salmonella Nov 14 22:06:09 I knew a tommy in middle school, he was a mean bully Nov 14 22:06:18 he tried to take my lunch money one day Nov 14 22:06:31 I dropped him and dunked his head in the toilet Nov 14 22:06:39 never really heard from him again Nov 14 22:06:41 lol Nov 14 22:06:47 this tommy is a gangsta, he'd ransom you Nov 14 22:06:52 lol Nov 14 22:07:13 shiznebit__, don't you always think of apple fanboys as the ones who'd drop kids and put their heads in toilets? Nov 14 22:07:49 I usually think of apple fanboys as the ones getting the swirlies in brown suspenders, dockers dress shoes and striped socks Nov 14 22:08:11 apple fanboys are 'trendy' Nov 14 22:08:20 actually i believe they are the hippy do gooders who blindly do anything that everyone else thinks is good, just because its in Nov 14 22:08:21 i say trendy because i mean they THINK they are trendy, but truely are not Nov 14 22:08:31 haha Nov 14 22:08:58 Im gona be rich an famous Nov 14 22:09:12 how ? Nov 14 22:09:16 gay porn? Nov 14 22:09:19 No Nov 14 22:09:22 yeah... I don't have an iphone, G1 ftw Nov 14 22:09:25 im going to design a revolutionary GUI Nov 14 22:09:36 cool Nov 14 22:10:00 okay, i use console Nov 14 22:10:05 console Nov 14 22:10:08 FUCK NO Nov 14 22:10:15 that shit gives me nightmares Nov 14 22:17:20 why do jews wear toop hats? Nov 14 22:17:24 i dont get it Nov 14 22:18:39 google it Nov 14 22:19:06 LOL Nov 14 22:19:07 no# Nov 14 22:19:15 last time i googlled something loads of gay porn came up Nov 14 22:19:23 errr Nov 14 22:19:27 toop hats? Nov 14 22:19:38 lol you're lucky leeds isn't here Nov 14 22:19:42 maybe that did have something to do with me typing in gay porn Nov 14 22:19:46 BUT ALAS, Nov 14 22:19:50 toop hats. Nov 14 22:19:53 and we're all unlucky, I want you goneee Nov 14 22:20:06 ? Nov 14 22:20:17 You want me? Nov 14 22:20:18 Gone? Nov 14 22:20:41 yeah Nov 14 22:21:51 lol Nov 14 22:22:05 hey all - whats the app called that turns wifi on depending on your current location? Nov 14 22:28:15 Hi, is there anyone here who might know why i cant open GDE-The new home experiece on my hero? When it try to open it it just says "cant open" Nov 14 22:29:03 its obvious Nov 14 22:29:08 lol is it supposed to be launched? Nov 14 22:29:09 its happeneing due to an error of some sort Nov 14 22:29:37 How to i get it to work if Im not supposed to launch it? Nov 14 22:29:42 do* Nov 14 22:30:17 depends on the app, I don't know how that works Nov 14 22:30:39 people complain all the time about not being able to launch widgets Nov 14 22:30:54 try hitting the hime button Nov 14 22:31:08 "hime"? Nov 14 22:31:22 HOME Nov 14 22:31:53 Lol, it worked. Thanks mate Nov 14 22:32:05 ;) Nov 14 22:32:25 lol Nov 14 22:32:25 It's always the easiest solution. ;) Nov 14 22:32:34 if that's in the app description Nov 14 22:32:41 I will hunt you down and smack you Nov 14 22:32:47 brb checking app description Nov 14 22:34:03 haha, if it is then i will put my head in the oven just for you. Nov 14 22:34:12 k its not Nov 14 22:34:41 dude you have no idea how many people will do stupid shit when the app description explains exactly how to use it :P Nov 14 22:35:04 but if its your first time with a home replacement app that's more understandable, they should clarify it Nov 14 22:35:41 Yeah, its my first time.:p Nov 14 22:35:48 VIRGINS. USELESS. Nov 14 22:36:14 lol Nov 14 22:40:17 anyone here have a favorite alternate web browser? Nov 14 22:40:24 Dolphin Browser Nov 14 22:40:32 it's epic compared to everything else imho. Nov 14 22:40:57 kk thanks Nov 14 22:41:28 I give up, installed sdk, but does not keep settings about avoid https Nov 14 22:41:57 dolphin is okay, I like default more Nov 14 22:42:22 some hours wasted trying to sync contacts (yes, I've found that TIM branded G1 can't sync), some other time trying to make sdk work, that's enough for today Nov 14 22:49:18 * ari-free back. oh good android source released Nov 14 22:55:07 heh jbq's wife reported the news http://www.osnews.com/story/22492/Android_Eclair_Open_Sourced Nov 14 22:56:44 hahaha awesomeee Nov 14 22:56:57 though... Nov 14 22:57:01 -It doesn't currently contain the AOSP-specific files (build Nov 14 22:57:02 configurations, etc...). They'll come back. Nov 14 22:57:04 -Calendar is broken. I have a fix that I will release along with the Nov 14 22:57:06 master tree. Nov 14 22:57:30 and the worst Nov 14 22:57:33 -It doesn't build for ADP1 or ION/ADP2. We're working with the various Nov 14 22:57:35 companies involved to try to resolve this issue, but we preferred to Nov 14 22:57:36 open-source the code in its current state instead of waiting for a Nov 14 22:57:37 solution on the hardware side. Nov 14 22:57:54 welcome to #pastebin :) Nov 14 22:58:20 nah, too lazy Nov 14 22:58:25 ok this could take a while Nov 14 22:58:29 i'm adb pulling every app off of my phone Nov 14 22:58:33 EVERY. app. Nov 14 22:58:35 haahah Nov 14 22:58:39 the entire /system/sd folder Nov 14 22:58:41 why ? Nov 14 22:58:42 350 megs? Nov 14 22:58:46 so i can use them on the emulator :D Nov 14 22:59:06 what are you trying to accomplish ? Nov 14 22:59:10 i wasn't about to go searching through the entire list in shell, so i'm just pulling them and picking the ones i want Nov 14 22:59:13 I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH 2.0 Nov 14 22:59:33 i'm throwing away my phone and using 2.0 in the emulator Nov 14 22:59:37 it's more funnerer Nov 14 22:59:46 lmao Nov 14 22:59:49 lol Nov 14 22:59:57 DON'T HATE MOTHAFUCKAS Nov 14 22:59:59 <_Auron|G1_> wut Nov 14 23:00:09 i've been googling for an app that will let me record phone calls.. seems that's not doable.. Nov 14 23:00:10 ....oh crap, i'm in #android? Nov 14 23:00:14 * TommyBres runs to -offtopic!!! Nov 14 23:00:18 HAHAHHAHA Nov 14 23:00:27 <_Auron|G1_> LOL Nov 14 23:00:35 TommyBres: you should have cp'd them to your sddcard and then cp them to you comp Nov 14 23:00:47 meh Nov 14 23:00:51 sddcard? :o Nov 14 23:00:52 adb pull is easier Nov 14 23:01:00 sdcard* Nov 14 23:01:08 and slower Nov 14 23:01:11 The-Compiler: i hacked my phone to give it 2 D's Nov 14 23:01:18 haha Nov 14 23:01:23 and i beg to differ, i think this will be faster Nov 14 23:02:15 haitiankid4lyf: 678 files pulled. 0 files skipped. 1145KB/s, 234020665 bytes in 199.474s Nov 14 23:02:26 less than i thought Nov 14 23:02:45 less than i thought also Nov 14 23:02:47 o.O Nov 14 23:04:37 Is there any app which can set the screen darker than the 10%? I think I saw one somewhere... Nov 14 23:06:03 i heard o Nov 14 23:06:13 f something like that Nov 14 23:12:16 hey all Nov 14 23:14:48 shit im thirsty Nov 14 23:15:00 no water Nov 14 23:15:00 shit im shitty. :D Nov 14 23:15:01 damn Nov 14 23:17:51 hi all Nov 14 23:18:18 is it possible to port a flash game to G1? Nov 14 23:21:40 no Nov 14 23:22:17 eriuer' Nov 14 23:22:17 rg Nov 14 23:22:17 ef Nov 14 23:22:17 g Nov 14 23:22:17 ff Nov 14 23:22:18 f Nov 14 23:22:19 when will android get flash? Nov 14 23:22:20 dfd Nov 14 23:22:22 fd Nov 14 23:22:24 fd Nov 14 23:22:26 fd Nov 14 23:23:10 i thought android supports flash... Nov 14 23:23:28 optimalmax: Not yet Nov 14 23:23:42 half year ago, i heard it will be done till october Nov 14 23:23:51 but, still waiting Nov 14 23:24:10 The-Compiler: PowerManager can do it Nov 14 23:24:11 it would be genious feature Nov 14 23:24:22 really so if i open a web with flash on android it won't show up? Nov 14 23:24:40 optimalmax: Correct Nov 14 23:24:44 nope Nov 14 23:24:53 piroko, but what about htc hero? Nov 14 23:25:11 elmuSSo: Same Nov 14 23:25:11 i heard its possible to execute flash on hero Nov 14 23:25:15 is that true? Nov 14 23:25:16 Where? Nov 14 23:25:23 Link? Nov 14 23:25:50 im asking you:D Nov 14 23:26:21 i seen a video somewhere showing flash on hero Nov 14 23:26:24 i heard these rumors Nov 14 23:26:43 but it was probably being still developt Nov 14 23:26:46 I have heard nothing of the sort Nov 14 23:26:51 huh Nov 14 23:27:00 I'm curious now Nov 14 23:27:34 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/htc-hero-hands-on/ Nov 14 23:28:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLOndllpUM Nov 14 23:28:10 this was the video i seen ^^ Nov 14 23:29:20 fuck flash, i want DosBox on android Nov 14 23:30:24 elmuSSo: flash is important for the web Nov 14 23:32:40 optimalmax: Wow Nov 14 23:33:05 optimalmax: That's really cool Nov 14 23:33:33 thats what i was talking about Nov 14 23:33:45 how can i view youtube videos without flash?! Nov 14 23:34:15 btw Nov 14 23:34:21 i wonder if it's only hero with flash support Nov 14 23:34:24 and droid users that want the official car dock... Nov 14 23:34:31 VVZW has a 20% coupon right now Nov 14 23:34:35 VZW* Nov 14 23:34:36 acc20 Nov 14 23:34:57 unfortunately the desktop dock is still out of stock Nov 14 23:36:35 does htc hero have a keyboard ? Nov 14 23:36:41 no Nov 14 23:36:42 no Nov 14 23:36:50 hehe Nov 14 23:37:02 therfe's only 3 android phones with keyboards so far, right? Nov 14 23:37:08 g1, cliq and droid? Nov 14 23:37:18 think so yeah Nov 14 23:37:19 i think so Nov 14 23:37:27 * pfn wants a desktop dock Nov 14 23:37:28 it's a sad thing Nov 14 23:37:33 I might resort to making one myself Nov 14 23:37:37 hard keyboard = the win Nov 14 23:37:48 i dont think so Nov 14 23:37:56 i wonder why they make ION the ADP2 Nov 14 23:38:06 there should wait for something more interesting Nov 14 23:38:09 keyboards= fullscreen= win Nov 14 23:38:15 WHAT Nov 14 23:38:18 hopefully droid will become ADP3 Nov 14 23:38:21 hard keybaord suck Nov 14 23:38:21 i hate touch phones with physical keyboards Nov 14 23:38:28 they make the phone so big n clunky Nov 14 23:38:38 yeah exactly ^^ Nov 14 23:38:40 fullscreen=better games Nov 14 23:38:44 i cant live without real keyboard Nov 14 23:39:01 umm the droid isn't a clunky device Nov 14 23:39:14 cant imagine to put some command into terminal by onscreen keyboard Nov 14 23:39:21 KEYBOARDS RULE, OSKs DROOL Nov 14 23:39:34 ==KNY Nov 14 23:39:51 i wonder if htc eris comes to europe? Nov 14 23:39:54 a phone's screen is small enough and people want to chop that in half for a soft keyboard? Nov 14 23:39:54 OSKs are for APPLE DWEEBS Nov 14 23:40:00 or is it us carrier only.. Nov 14 23:42:55 we dont care about eris Nov 14 23:42:58 WE WANT DROID Nov 14 23:43:13 haha Nov 14 23:43:23 i want 2.0 Nov 14 23:43:40 no need foor droid, now Nov 14 23:43:50 i can wait:D Nov 14 23:46:49 hd2 only 65k colours Nov 14 23:46:50 how lame Nov 14 23:47:52 i wonder how big a difference that really is, have never really seen 65k vs 16M side by side Nov 14 23:48:24 yeah i was looking for a comparison now Nov 14 23:48:31 i think the difference is actually pretty big Nov 14 23:48:41 It is. Nov 14 23:49:18 all previous android phones were 65k right? Nov 14 23:49:32 I never noticed any "lack of colors" so to say Nov 14 23:49:38 optimalmax, Eris is Verizon only. and it's just a Hero with a different look (like Sprint's Hero) Nov 14 23:50:03 not to mention hd2 uses wm6.5 Nov 14 23:50:10 the dream plays back h264 beautifully, and images are already very crisp, can't imagine on twice the pixel density Nov 14 23:50:47 keny: not sure they may have been 18bit or 18bit capable Nov 14 23:50:49 whats the pixel density of objects in real life? Nov 14 23:50:57 but it uses a lot more ram Nov 14 23:51:10 * pfn needs to watch some movies or videos on the droid or something Nov 14 23:51:13 whats the polygon count of a human Nov 14 23:51:20 4 Nov 14 23:51:32 4... Nov 14 23:51:36 so what you're saying is Nov 14 23:51:41 we're tetrahedrons? Nov 14 23:51:46 Jengoris: It gets the .swf file directly from youtube to play Nov 14 23:51:49 16bit is vor 65536 combinations, you mean 16bit ? Nov 14 23:51:54 for* Nov 14 23:52:21 pfn: moment? Nov 14 23:52:27 what the hekk us 65k colours Nov 14 23:52:34 think about it Nov 14 23:52:38 32 * 32 * 32? nooe Nov 14 23:53:00 im either retarded or retarded Nov 14 23:53:10 someone PLEASE find me a comparison of a photo in 65k and in 16m Nov 14 23:53:24 i recently found out you can put android on the diamond 2 Nov 14 23:53:41 the screens can do 18bit maybe Nov 14 23:53:51 bgr666 Nov 14 23:53:59 optimalmax: soon maybe Nov 14 23:53:59 Jengoris:It's 2 to the 16.. Nov 14 23:54:06 for topa Nov 14 23:54:37 tmzt: already is possible Nov 14 23:54:45 trying to find the linky Nov 14 23:55:27 pfn: Droid screen is insaaaaaaaaane Nov 14 23:55:34 INSANE in the membrane? Nov 14 23:55:42 And video recording is amazing Nov 14 23:55:46 LOL Nov 14 23:55:50 try the i8910 Nov 14 23:55:51 Insane in the brain Nov 14 23:55:52 then tell me its amazing Nov 14 23:55:54 they got mddi working? Nov 14 23:56:04 pfn: using ti dsp Nov 14 23:56:10 piroko: Nov 14 23:56:48 sholes is oled or tft? Nov 14 23:56:52 tft Nov 14 23:57:11 you'd know if it was oled Nov 14 23:57:13 http://www.androidonhtc.com/diamond/installing_android Nov 14 23:57:18 can't confirm ^^ Nov 14 23:57:30 that's diam Nov 14 23:57:42 yeah my bad not diam 2 Nov 14 23:57:58 kernel isn't working right on topa yet Nov 14 23:58:17 but surely it would on 2 no? Nov 14 23:58:19 join #htc-linux for more information on that Nov 14 23:58:29 is the rom that diferent? Nov 14 23:58:36 they are very different Nov 14 23:58:38 Jengoris: 780p h264 on a pocket phone qualifies as amazing to me Nov 14 23:58:39 the rom? Nov 14 23:59:03 piroko: he means the physical screen Nov 14 23:59:21 yeah i think it comes down to the rom Nov 14 23:59:38 the hell Nov 15 00:00:00 optimalmax: it does, the radio rom Nov 15 00:00:09 tmzt: Ah ok :) Nov 15 00:00:10 tmzt: any updates? Nov 15 00:00:24 is probably the biggest difference Nov 15 00:00:26 on? Nov 15 00:00:30 ezx Nov 15 00:00:50 * mpurcell has been away for a bit, pretty busy @ work Nov 15 00:01:28 ah Nov 15 00:02:13 I think we need the factory cable and there is no uart accessible over the usb pins Nov 15 00:02:31 tmzt: So are we in agreement on the 3.5mm jack? Nov 15 00:02:39 still dont think its a very good deal buying a htc with wm then putting android on it Nov 15 00:02:41 i want a 35mm jack Nov 15 00:02:41 because of the mpcap Nov 15 00:02:43 3.5 is just too small Nov 15 00:03:08 mpurcell: no uart there from kernel source Nov 15 00:03:36 tmzt: GPIO? Nov 15 00:03:49 well it could be muxed in hardware Nov 15 00:03:54 the kernel might not even know Nov 15 00:04:11 I could probably hook a variable resistor to it and monitor the port on an oscilloscope Nov 15 00:04:21 but i cant be sure it will even do anything once I get the right resistance Nov 15 00:04:28 what I can't figure out is how the id pin can be both grounded and floating Nov 15 00:04:48 your referring to the USB port? Nov 15 00:04:57 my guess is the work queue and 100ms delay is involved Nov 15 00:05:00 yes Nov 15 00:05:23 I think a push button or microcontroller would work Nov 15 00:05:35 I have about 3-4 AVRs Nov 15 00:05:43 but without more details on mpcap I can't tell Nov 15 00:05:52 but it has been years since I toyed with hardware Nov 15 00:06:14 I think they are AVR Mega-16s Nov 15 00:06:20 add a 100ms and ground unground the id when connected to usb host and vbus power Nov 15 00:06:43 what are you expecting to happen to alert you that you have the console? Nov 15 00:06:44 ground to d- I think Nov 15 00:07:04 look up microusb id spec Nov 15 00:07:30 that's the thing, it's probably adb ir android console Nov 15 00:07:33 not root Nov 15 00:07:39 or Nov 15 00:07:57 tmzt: well something is running on a serial console, just dont know where the uart is Nov 15 00:08:22 I have to look at the platform device in sholes board that gets registered when factory is detected Nov 15 00:08:26 can't be Nov 15 00:08:34 no pull up involved Nov 15 00:09:02 it definately switches puen to the ulpi xcdiver Nov 15 00:09:11 xceiver Nov 15 00:09:31 which I think is in mpcap or an eoc equiv Nov 15 00:09:35 on i2c Nov 15 00:09:59 it appears msm is involved some how at that point Nov 15 00:10:03 im thinking of buying a htc magic, anyone have one? Nov 15 00:10:06 anybody using connectbot to connect to a chat client in screen? Nov 15 00:10:13 like irssi or weechat? Nov 15 00:10:14 holstein: i am Nov 15 00:10:20 well not right now Nov 15 00:10:21 COOL mpurcell Nov 15 00:10:28 holstein: yeah works great Nov 15 00:10:33 irssi? Nov 15 00:10:52 yes Nov 15 00:10:53 a teardown to find ulpi chip would be helpful Nov 15 00:10:57 i think i got everything worked out except 2 things Nov 15 00:11:04 scrolling Nov 15 00:11:08 tmzt: you mean photos of the internals? Nov 15 00:11:12 tmzt: I can see what I can do Nov 15 00:11:32 holstein: finger up down on the left side is page-up/down Nov 15 00:11:35 thing is, this is really the only ezx phone without a resister value for uart Nov 15 00:11:37 and the ctrl-a-d combo for dissconnecting Nov 15 00:11:37 right side is scroll Nov 15 00:11:46 mpurcell: not yours I hope Nov 15 00:11:49 holstein: Center button on the droid is CTRL Nov 15 00:12:03 mpurcell: does that scroll back in the chat window for you mpurcell? Nov 15 00:12:14 holstein: #connectbot if you need more Nov 15 00:12:26 OH... cool Nov 15 00:12:27 holstein: scroll back in chat is left side Nov 15 00:12:45 if your using screen chevk your TERM setting Nov 15 00:12:46 tmzt: well, like i said, I can try to hook you up with photos, hehe Nov 15 00:12:47 i should have guesses there would be a #connectbot Nov 15 00:12:57 I still gotta figure out how on earth to get the bitch apart (havent even tried yet) Nov 15 00:13:00 in and out of screen Nov 15 00:13:07 mpurcell: ah, cool Nov 15 00:13:18 GAY Nov 15 00:13:23 Jengoris: ? Nov 15 00:13:52 I can't help you with mfi like wyrm can, can't see where he went Nov 15 00:14:00 thanks tmzt and mpurcell Nov 15 00:14:03 np Nov 15 00:14:09 tmzt: well its ok, we got time Nov 15 00:14:27 well, mail openezx-devel actually Nov 15 00:14:51 tell them tmzt says droid internals or very similar to ezx Nov 15 00:15:06 ugh, email -.- Nov 15 00:15:15 another mailing list -.- Nov 15 00:15:27 means another sieve rule to sort it Nov 15 00:15:36 with omap3 as pxa and msm6550/6800 as neptune Nov 15 00:16:11 tmzt: wouldn't it be nice if a vzw engineer could hook me up? Nov 15 00:16:12 :p Nov 15 00:16:13 gpio handshaking, uart ipc, maybe usbipc Nov 15 00:16:30 and include bootloader lsusb -v -v output Nov 15 00:17:13 tmzt: what is the url for your mailing list so I can set it up tonight, I'm quite tired atm, hehe Nov 15 00:17:29 openezx.org Nov 15 00:18:08 also, if anyone has lsusb -v -v from adb shell please paste it Nov 15 00:18:23 ^ to pastebin Nov 15 00:18:41 don't need root unless usb dev is permissions broken Nov 15 00:18:44 right Nov 15 00:18:59 brb, putting a new kernel on my NAS. Nov 15 00:19:07 Apparently I did not allow russian character support Nov 15 00:19:18 Now all this russian music I got is inaccessable Nov 15 00:19:19 -.- Nov 15 00:28:34 vfat nls? Nov 15 00:40:45 does 2.0 android work with htc hero guys? Nov 15 00:46:05 I am trying to get my G1 linked with my laptop (Windows 7), but when I do adb devices I get "List of devices attached" and nothing show up Nov 15 00:46:07 any ideas? Nov 15 00:46:18 I have eclipse and the latest sdk installed Nov 15 00:47:01 uh oh Nov 15 00:47:09 now im not looking forward to getting my win7 upgrade as much Nov 15 00:47:12 you broke it!!! Nov 15 00:47:28 rand0m it does work Nov 15 00:47:35 I was running Win 7 RC1 Nov 15 00:47:52 but reinstalled after I purchased a copy of Win 7 Pro Nov 15 00:48:01 so after reinstalling everything it now doesn't work Nov 15 00:48:15 it did at one point Nov 15 00:53:21 bahaha i just found a cute article from 2005 Nov 15 00:53:21 http://www.digitaltrends.com/features/the-future-of-cell-phones/ Nov 15 00:53:52 they were definitely right, but i doubt we expected shit to advance so quickly. Cell phone technology has come a long way even since 2005. Nov 15 01:06:41 HD2 is thin Nov 15 01:07:18 i can get it for £35 a month Nov 15 01:07:22 24 month contract Nov 15 01:07:25 phone fur free Nov 15 01:07:37 1200 minutes, unlimited texts and internets and landline calls Nov 15 01:08:11 also i can take unlimited calls Nov 15 01:08:26 if i answer the phone it has no affect on the number of 1200 Nov 15 01:08:32 O_o thats how they all are i the uk Nov 15 01:11:56 hey rand0m Nov 15 01:12:01 I'm not sure what I did Nov 15 01:12:05 but it works now Nov 15 01:12:13 Win 7 is good to go Nov 15 01:14:18 heh. Nov 15 01:20:05 Hey Guys, can anyone tell me where to find an official statement from Google or just some information on the Android Market issues ( getting market on a development enviroment or a rom without the "Google Experience" )? Nov 15 01:27:58 creen, other than 'not gonna happen'? Nov 15 01:30:42 .. Ye, I was hoping .. I'm just getting into development of application for Android and I get this bad taste in the back of my mouth ( Who's interests is Google protecting? ) Nov 15 01:31:58 hi all, my phone is randomly shutting off...is there a log file i can check to see what might be going on? Nov 15 01:32:06 (i do have root, running cyanogen) Nov 15 01:32:39 uncategorized, #android-root Nov 15 01:33:45 creen, keep in mind Google is a business. they provide the bandwidth for the market, which I assume eats quite a bit. in return they sell it as a part of the proprietary package. Nov 15 01:34:07 It's more likely that they open source/give away market than gmail or gmaps, but I still don't see it happening soon. Nov 15 01:35:52 i'd say the other way around, maps is already on iphone, blackberry, webos, etcetc Nov 15 01:37:48 .. But I think its sad.. As a developer, and as an end user,.. I feel fooled.. Nov 15 01:40:48 sorry guys, im a bit late Nov 15 01:40:53 but what were you just discussing/ Nov 15 01:41:34 in relations to creen's last comment Nov 15 01:42:35 creen: fooled how, because market isn't open source? Nov 15 01:43:13 creen: there are other options for downloading apps, like slideme's version of market, they're not nearly as extensive but who knows, they're growing Nov 15 01:44:03 As a developer, I supposed that my users ( without that much of effort ) would be able to get my applikation.. Nov 15 01:45:07 Yes i've heard about slideme, but its just not as easy for my end user.. Nov 15 01:45:59 installed the Android SDK eclipse plugin tonight and not shift+tab is broken for PHP coding ... any ideas? Nov 15 01:48:01 I believe Google should stop playing games, and get the Android Market out, to everyone running android? Nov 15 01:48:02 What is the real reason? To quote someone else: Nov 15 01:48:02 "If it's technical, I'm sure Google will find a way. If it's legal, then change the laws or modify the distribution licenses. And if it's purely financial, boo Google!" Nov 15 01:48:02 by n.fedesna, Nov 02, 2009 at http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3797 Nov 15 01:49:38 hi. unbuntu 9.10 doesn't seem to have sun-java5-jdk. anyone know how to get around this? Nov 15 01:50:38 yea, dont use ubuinti Nov 15 01:51:18 Unbuntu.. :) Nov 15 01:52:00 You Nbutu? Nov 15 01:52:03 why do u need sun-java5-jdk? Nov 15 01:52:09 synec, maby this can help you along: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp Nov 15 01:52:27 question: is ther a way to refresh the gallery? i just pushed some new images onto my sdcard and they are not showing up Nov 15 01:52:38 cbraddock: see http://source.android.com/download Nov 15 01:52:48 it's in the list of required packages Nov 15 01:52:58 and java6 won't do Nov 15 01:53:19 I see thx Nov 15 01:53:35 and package management is your friend Nov 15 01:54:54 x_x Nov 15 01:55:01 is it true that android is a dead end? Nov 15 01:56:06 synec: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/i386/sun-java5-jdk/1.5.0-20-1 ? Nov 15 01:56:24 Jengoris, is the question open for debate? Nov 15 01:57:07 in the future we'll see the iphone as dumbphones Nov 15 01:57:11 cbraddock: huh. packages.ubuntu.com doesn't know about it. Nov 15 01:57:11 and android as smartphones Nov 15 01:57:47 is there a Nov 15 01:57:56 cbraddock: ah! "status: deleted" Nov 15 01:58:06 ya but can u grab the .deb from there? Nov 15 01:58:20 mail app that does not require wifi? Nov 15 01:58:47 hm! i suppose so. weird. Nov 15 01:58:55 g/l ... Nov 15 01:59:10 thanks for the pointer. Nov 15 01:59:52 anyone jknow? Nov 15 02:01:10 o/w 22 Nov 15 02:02:16 ? Nov 15 02:06:27 bk: no mail app requires wifi Nov 15 02:08:52 o _ o Nov 15 02:08:57 Rawr! Nov 15 02:09:02 How are you. Nov 15 02:11:11 Whoah Nov 15 02:11:11 spotify Nov 15 02:11:16 ROCKS Nov 15 02:11:17 on android Nov 15 02:12:47 Jengoris: Yup! Nov 15 02:21:46 spotify? Nov 15 02:21:47 hm Nov 15 02:29:58 yea it does Nov 15 02:30:04 the mail app on the htc hero does Nov 15 02:30:05 TommyBres: Nov 15 02:30:20 i go to refresh and it says i need wifi to do it Nov 15 02:30:26 bk: uhhhh whatttttttt Nov 15 02:30:30 i would shoot HTC in the face Nov 15 02:30:35 lol Nov 15 02:30:38 bk: K9 Mail doesn't require wifi Nov 15 02:30:46 pretty cool app, i use it for my school email Nov 15 02:30:57 support imap and exchange? Nov 15 02:31:03 this is the message Nov 15 02:31:27 well wait Nov 15 02:31:31 now it says both Nov 15 02:31:32 hd2 on android 2.0 Nov 15 02:31:35 supports imap, not exchange... there's also an exchange app though Nov 15 02:31:41 I have a google voice invite Nov 15 02:31:44 how much do they go for/ Nov 15 02:31:45 Jengoris: stop spreading false info, HD2 is winmo Nov 15 02:31:50 Jengoris: for nothing, i have 2 Nov 15 02:31:54 damn Nov 15 02:31:59 and i know mobile is enabled Nov 15 02:32:00 wave invites go for liek $100 Nov 15 02:32:05 for real? Nov 15 02:32:07 i have 5 Nov 15 02:32:07 Jengoris: google voice invites go for $0 Nov 15 02:32:18 bk: 5 wave invites? Nov 15 02:32:25 yes Nov 15 02:32:27 wtf? Nov 15 02:32:30 no you dont Nov 15 02:32:33 ill take a pic Nov 15 02:32:35 bk: can i get one? pleeeease? Nov 15 02:32:41 WHAT THE FUCK Nov 15 02:32:41 5?! Nov 15 02:32:44 holy shit man Nov 15 02:33:12 :D bk, you know i love you. we're such graet friends. Nov 15 02:33:35 you know i was just kidding about teh $100 thing Nov 15 02:33:44 they're pretty worthless, but it'd be great if you coudl send me one Nov 15 02:34:25 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1728382/gwaveinvites.png Nov 15 02:34:34 i had 8 Nov 15 02:34:49 oh man Nov 15 02:34:53 YOU GOTTA GIVE ME ONE Nov 15 02:34:56 lol Nov 15 02:34:59 so does teh android music app support lyrics? Nov 15 02:35:05 PLEASE Nov 15 02:35:14 ill do ANYTHING Nov 15 02:35:34 develope a good twitter app Nov 15 02:35:51 if someone wants a wave invite pm me your gmail Nov 15 02:35:52 anything reasonable Nov 15 02:35:56 I have 14 left, hah, theyre ramping up Nov 15 02:35:58 like twitterrific for iphone Nov 15 02:36:12 ok ok, so Nov 15 02:36:12 still slow as crap though Nov 15 02:36:15 that is needed Nov 15 02:36:20 it is very buggy Nov 15 02:36:20 are people giving out wave invites or what Nov 15 02:36:29 some do Nov 15 02:36:49 wave works on droid too Nov 15 02:37:01 browser Nov 15 02:40:05 so yeah, easy easy question to get me started on this, how do i take user input from keyboard and display it ? Nov 15 02:43:37 or like a step by step tutorial on creating a application? Nov 15 02:44:33 nownot: the sdk has great docs and examples Nov 15 02:45:04 just getting started myself Nov 15 02:46:28 doo doo doo Nov 15 02:46:31 * Jengoris anyone here? Nov 15 02:46:35 yup Nov 15 02:46:46 sorry, i meant anyone interesting Nov 15 02:47:17 ow Nov 15 02:48:14 #android r us Nov 15 02:54:13 Leeds: Assuming ADP2 is Ion/Magic? http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/brightstar-expands-android-developer-device-global-distribution-program-69962697.html Nov 15 02:54:32 Hmm maybe hero Nov 15 02:55:03 Nope Google confirms Ion Nov 15 02:58:48 no, it's an Ion, 32B **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 15 02:59:56 2009