**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 15 02:59:57 2006 Dec 15 08:38:39 hi everybody..! can someone help me - i'm looking for premade tarballs of angstrom.. Dec 15 08:39:01 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ Dec 15 08:39:46 thanks! Dec 15 08:40:05 another question: i'm looking for a good mp3 player - Dec 15 08:40:30 i have a command line codecs which i want to use, Dec 15 08:40:32 but i don't have gui Dec 15 08:50:45 koen: what's the difference between the files? .ext2, .jffs2.bin and tar.bz2? is the tar.bz2 a full tarball image i can just copy ? Dec 15 08:51:23 yes Dec 15 08:51:57 ok, thanks..! so how come it is so small? Dec 15 08:52:26 It's only contains stuff to get you a shell to install more stuff Dec 15 08:52:41 oh i see... and if i want a complete tarball..?? Dec 15 08:53:04 what do you mean with 'complete tarball'? Dec 15 08:53:20 the thing is currently i don't have internet access to my device, so i can copy packages and then use them Dec 15 08:53:35 but i want to have tar that contains as much info as necessary Dec 15 08:54:09 then you want to download stuff from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ Dec 15 08:55:24 mmm... is there a way of creating a list of the files i need ? Dec 15 08:55:47 you can look up the dependencies using http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ Dec 15 08:56:35 but if i want to make a clean install, is there a base package that has lots of stuff or something? Dec 15 08:57:54 no, all those packages are 'virtual' and only contain dependencies on other things Dec 15 08:58:07 like http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=task-proper-tools Dec 15 08:58:58 hamf... so if i want to make non-internet installation i'm in trouble..? Dec 15 08:59:26 you could build it yourself Dec 15 08:59:49 won't i still have the same problem? Dec 15 10:10:58 * XorA wonders what Angstrom thing he can break today Dec 15 10:12:55 dbus? Dec 15 10:14:36 :-D Dec 15 10:21:39 hmm, still working here Dec 15 10:31:37 just realised as heisenbug is now found I can re-enable the Angstrom feeds and save myself bandwidth Dec 15 10:38:42 :) Dec 15 13:16:56 NOTE: multiple providers are available for gst-plugins (gst-plugins, gst-plugins-base); Dec 15 13:16:59 NOTE: consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gst-plugins Dec 15 13:17:02 angstrom-2007.1 Dec 15 13:17:16 right, can we drop gst 0.8? Dec 15 13:17:23 0.10 is over a year old now Dec 15 13:17:31 (I dropped it locally already) Dec 15 13:59:33 * XorA has a good laugh at m Dec 15 13:59:41 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185 Dec 15 14:05:16 " But why do Dec 15 14:05:16 you believe the correct course of action at that point is to corrupt Dec 15 14:05:16 its database?" Dec 15 14:05:19 priceless Dec 15 14:06:31 oooh Dec 15 14:06:34 " do_this_installation_stuff(); Dec 15 14:06:34 if (/usr_is_mounted_read_only) { Dec 15 14:06:34 corrupt_rpm_database_without_notice(); Dec 15 14:06:34 }" Dec 15 14:06:41 :-) Dec 15 14:06:44 best... pseudocode... ever... Dec 15 14:07:04 What I love is finally someone explains what Jeff should have explained, but after like 100 comments Dec 15 14:07:37 and it does sound like a stupid design choice Dec 15 14:08:21 why is me webserver in wet string mode :-( Dec 15 14:10:16 does ipkg/dpkg have a 'not relocatable' flag? Dec 15 14:11:46 koen: Ive was trying to work out what they meant by "not" relocatable, rpm --someoptiontochange / works ok, I have used it to build chroots Dec 15 14:12:07 chroots are something else Dec 15 14:12:22 since inside the chroot it isn't 'relocated', right? Dec 15 14:15:09 koen: I dont understand what rpm (basically an untar) has to do with relocation (an ld-linux.so problem) Dec 15 14:17:19 koen: I just updated to cairo 1.3.8, Z is certainly MUCH more responsive Dec 15 14:17:57 yep Dec 15 14:18:01 less X traffic Dec 15 14:18:12 epdfview speeded up as well Dec 15 14:23:01 XorA: it's also cute that people can't see that 'sibil' is being sarcastic Dec 15 14:27:24 it keeps getting better and better Dec 15 14:29:56 koen: I think that is about the funniest bug report ever Dec 15 14:30:13 it's on par with the gentoo/gaim bugreport Dec 15 14:33:41 koen: havent seen that one Dec 15 14:36:55 XorA: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 Dec 15 14:40:48 koen: :-D and the duplicate bugs where gentoo refuses to remove dead packages, probably to they can keep the package count up Dec 15 14:57:09 * XorA should see about getting cups working on terrier Dec 15 14:57:36 with the right usb drivers and all? Dec 15 14:59:19 cups should do the right thing and browse the lan for printers Dec 15 15:01:00 koen: mainly for lans, I think it would be cool to print from my living room while watching HD pr0n Dec 15 15:04:24 it works on my h2200 Dec 15 15:04:48 * koen pointed gpe-mini-browser to http://localhost:631/ Dec 15 15:06:03 root@h2200:/var/lib/ipkg# lpstat -a Dec 15 15:06:03 HPDeskjet5550C accepting requests since Fri Dec 8 05:44:57 2006 Dec 15 15:06:03 Kyocera1 accepting requests since Fri Dec 8 05:45:02 2006 Dec 15 15:06:31 root@h2200:/var/lib/ipkg# cups-config --version Dec 15 15:06:31 1.2.7 Dec 15 15:14:44 koen: cool, I didnt realise it was running be default :-) Dec 15 15:14:53 koen: how about gutenprint? Dec 15 15:14:58 *(R%*#(%&Y*#)&*(RU#R Dec 15 15:15:22 meet me in person to get a bit more 'expressive' wording Dec 15 15:15:33 koen: FOSDEM then :-) Dec 15 15:15:43 its buildsystem would make kergoth weep Dec 15 15:16:24 "everything is x86 and crosscompiling doesn't exist" is the mantra the coders used Dec 15 15:16:31 feel free to have a look at adding it Dec 15 15:16:41 koen: maybe when Im really bored Dec 15 15:19:47 XorA: I'm considering making a 'native' bbcollection for OE Dec 15 15:20:05 which people can use to make packages in their device for angstrom Dec 15 15:21:25 mickeyl: what's your view on that? Dec 15 15:22:04 an interesting idea Dec 15 15:23:35 Packaging is still black magic for 99.99% of the develors Dec 15 15:23:45 and 100.01% of the users Dec 15 15:26:50 yeah Dec 15 15:28:40 prepare for n00b-age when the neo hits the streets Dec 15 15:29:16 Ill bet the most common failure of Neo is / filled Dec 15 15:29:32 better hack ipkg so it can never use the last 4 meg of flash Dec 15 15:30:03 ya, we definitly want to add some security nets Dec 15 15:30:37 or lock core, and allow installing to non core for normal users Dec 15 15:30:51 like cacko sharprom ripoff does Dec 15 15:34:29 a size check would be better Dec 15 15:34:35 look at maemo Dec 15 15:34:43 depending on the actual amount of NAND we get we might use two partitions anyway Dec 15 15:34:54 in that case we'd lock / completely Dec 15 15:35:22 leading the way for CanOpenMokoer Dec 15 15:36:17 OpenMoker Dec 15 15:36:24 (moker = jackhammer in dutch) Dec 15 15:36:31 s/jack/sledge/ Dec 15 15:36:44 koen: cool Dec 15 15:36:56 almost the same joke in two languages Dec 15 15:37:08 OpenMocker Dec 15 15:37:13 for the cloners Dec 15 15:37:50 and of cources OpenLocker for the IMSI unlockers :-) Dec 15 15:39:05 mickeyl: field upgradeable kernel would be a neat feature as well Dec 15 15:39:29 ya, initially we wanted to put it into the jffs2 Dec 15 15:39:33 we might can't do that Dec 15 15:39:39 because of performance reasons Dec 15 15:39:44 because uboot sucks donkey ass Dec 15 15:39:56 ya, but blob and angel suck even more Dec 15 15:40:11 * koen recommends apex Dec 15 15:40:56 kernel XIP in nand would be cool Dec 15 15:41:23 if you would have bigger NAND, XIP would be very cool indeed Dec 15 15:41:32 (jffs2 XIP disallows compression) Dec 15 15:42:09 4gig of nand + 1 gig of ram :-) Dec 15 15:42:19 heh Dec 15 15:42:21 dreams Dec 15 15:42:22 :) Dec 15 15:42:27 and a FPGA!!!! Dec 15 15:42:32 * mickeyl pukes Dec 15 15:42:44 i don't want no stinkin' fpga :D Dec 15 15:42:57 i rather want a high quality audio-in Dec 15 15:43:03 and wifiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Dec 15 15:43:08 :D Dec 15 15:43:46 actually wifi would be cool, but I just can't see why people are so anal about it Dec 15 15:44:11 it sucks power like hell Dec 15 15:44:30 mickeyl: planning to record concerts on your phone? Dec 15 15:45:43 mickeyl: usb midiport Dec 15 15:46:04 + dsp for high quality synthesis Dec 15 15:46:25 XorA: not concerts, but as a musician I'm lusting for a method to record samples with a high quality condenser mic Dec 15 15:46:32 while I'm underway Dec 15 15:47:08 yeah, usb might help Dec 15 15:47:26 1.1 is good enough for 2 channel 48k PCM Dec 15 15:50:18 mickeyl: have you heard of the 'microflown' ? Dec 15 15:50:22 no Dec 15 15:50:44 * mickeyl googles Dec 15 15:50:56 funny stuff Dec 15 15:51:10 http://www.microflown.com/data/2005_noisecon_pressure.pdf Dec 15 15:51:36 it's less prone to 'clipping' due to high pressure Dec 15 15:51:56 I'm trying everything to get some kind of "feature connector" into the next phone Dec 15 15:52:05 for people to attach whatever funny hardware to it Dec 15 15:52:06 10 years ago it was presented as the perfect thing for cellphones Dec 15 15:52:19 mickeyl: like 8 gpios? Dec 15 15:52:25 ya Dec 15 15:52:42 i think the ipaq cradle idea was really good Dec 15 15:52:49 but there weren't any exciting 3rd party products Dec 15 15:52:50 imo Dec 15 15:52:55 * koen would like 11 buttons on the phone Dec 15 15:52:59 0-9 + ok Dec 15 15:53:08 *nod* Dec 15 15:53:11 keys are a must for the next model Dec 15 15:53:13 mickeyl: s/cradle/sleeve/ Dec 15 15:53:17 righto Dec 15 15:53:19 sleeve of course Dec 15 15:54:01 everywhere on the net people are saying "asia == touchscreen geeks, rest of the world: keypad geeks" Dec 15 15:55:08 I like the design of the greenphone Dec 15 15:55:35 from the press pictures I've seen Dec 15 15:55:36 yes, although it looks better than it feels Dec 15 15:55:45 it feels more plastic than i'd hoped fo Dec 15 15:56:10 * koen hugs his aluminium mbp Dec 15 15:56:15 *nod* Dec 15 15:56:20 that's quality hw Dec 15 15:57:26 I should should you my EOS 1D Dec 15 15:57:54 If I dropped it on the floor, I would inspect the floor for damage, not the camera Dec 15 15:58:17 s/should should/should show/ Dec 15 15:58:46 hehe Dec 15 15:59:37 * koen is prone to buying overengineered stuff Dec 15 16:00:21 koen: do you have a history of testing floors with gadgets? Dec 15 16:00:24 hehe Dec 15 16:00:43 * mickeyl dropped almost every mobile phone at least ten times in their lives Dec 15 16:01:02 * hvontres|poodle has dropped his poodle twice so far... Dec 15 16:01:26 hvontres|poodle: I have metal casings for all my ipaqs :D Dec 15 16:02:04 koen: I should take a pic of the steel box I built for my HP48 while at a sheetmetal shop...:) Dec 15 16:02:50 hmmm... needs some fresh day-glo orange paint tho... Dec 15 19:15:17 How do i make landscape (right) default in gpe? Dec 15 19:17:25 iirc edit /etc/X11/Xserver Dec 15 19:17:34 and add the correct rotate switch Dec 15 19:17:57 it should be in the xserver-common package Dec 15 19:18:58 Yes i know that one, but it doesnt recognize it as landscape. If i edit it and change it to landscape the calibration breaks because gpe-screen-setup think it is in portrait. And it also confuse the roate applett. Dec 15 19:19:21 weird Dec 15 19:19:29 yes it is. Dec 15 19:19:51 option b) xrandr -o right in the session file Dec 15 19:20:11 * koen needs to bug florian_kc about the autologin stuff Dec 15 19:20:26 hmm i havnet tried that. Dec 15 19:20:40 autologin work Dec 15 19:20:45 +s Dec 15 19:24:41 goxboxlive: are you on pxafb or a custom joB> Dec 15 19:24:43 ? Dec 15 19:24:54 pxafb Dec 15 19:25:10 should work the same as spitz zaurus models then Dec 15 19:25:39 ok, Dec 15 19:30:28 dinner Dec 15 20:35:40 I can see that he spitz is using something like chkhinge to chek the hinge status. It looks like it is a part of zaurusd. Is there a another application i can use in GPE to check the same status? Dec 15 20:36:31 chkhinge isn't used anymore Dec 15 20:36:41 it's using a ioctl iirc Dec 15 20:36:48 you'd have to ask RP Dec 15 20:37:27 ok Dec 15 20:39:14 It's really compicated the rotation stuff in GPE. When i use xrandr -normal everytinhg is OK, but when i do xrandr -o right the screen is rotating to landscape, but not the matcbox panel. Dec 15 20:39:35 it roates 180 degree and not 270/90 Dec 15 20:39:44 ah right Dec 15 20:39:53 that's a bug in how matchbox is started Dec 15 20:40:10 I have a custom session file that passed --noflip Dec 15 20:40:14 or --no-flip Dec 15 20:40:30 that way the panel always stays at the 'bottom' Dec 15 20:40:31 ok, i'll try Dec 15 20:42:44 :-) That was the trick. Thaks a lot koen. Dec 15 20:43:10 I tend to forget I have a really custom setup :) Dec 15 20:43:20 * koen saves his homedir as well during reinstalls Dec 15 20:53:34 Is there a way to edit the gpe-roate applet, it rotate it to left, and i want it to right in landscape mode. Dec 15 20:55:29 yes Dec 15 20:55:39 it's in the matchbox-panel-hacks package Dec 15 20:56:12 it should be made configurable Dec 15 20:59:26 goxboxlive: it's called xrandr-panelapp.sh or something like that Dec 15 20:59:59 ok thx Dec 15 20:59:59 it just calls xrandr -o left ; xmodmap Dec 15 21:04:14 that was a easy one. Dec 15 21:05:13 Now i'm gonna delete pointrecal and reboot to see if the calibration is working. Dec 15 21:06:06 you can do that without reboot Dec 15 21:06:13 remove pointercal and restart x Dec 15 21:06:39 re Dec 15 21:06:45 or call xtscal by hand? Dec 15 21:06:51 hrw: wb Dec 15 21:08:05 yes i know Dec 15 21:09:09 hiihaaa now the calibration works as it should. Dec 15 21:13:51 * koen moves his TODO to http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromRoadmap Dec 15 21:20:26 * XorA|gone reads Dec 15 21:21:37 how's cups working for you? Dec 15 21:24:09 koen: IU havent tried to hook it to printer yet **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 16 02:59:57 2006