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Apr 02 07:56:31 <XorA> morning
Apr 02 07:58:18 <pH5> good morning
Apr 02 08:11:09 <koen|lab> hey pH5 & XorA 
Apr 02 08:11:26 * koen|lab crosses fingers and uploads updated mb-panel stuff to the feeds
Apr 02 08:11:30 <XorA> yo koen|lab 
Apr 02 08:11:55 <pH5> hey koen|away, thanks for sorting that mb-panel mess out
Apr 02 08:15:33 <XorA> koen|lab: gonna bump angstrom to 2007.2 now?
Apr 02 08:20:26 <koen|lab> XorA: the conffile is at .4 already
Apr 02 08:22:04 <XorA> koen|lab: check that in then :-)
Apr 02 08:25:12 <koen|lab> XorA: I checked that in 2 weeks ago
Apr 02 08:25:23 <XorA> ../org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1-legacy.conf
Apr 02 08:25:23 <XorA> ../org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1-oabi.conf
Apr 02 08:25:23 <XorA> ../org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf
Apr 02 08:25:28 <XorA> and Ive only just pulled
Apr 02 08:25:42 <koen|lab> look inside the file
Apr 02 08:25:43 <pH5> #DISTRO_VERSION = "2007.4"
Apr 02 08:25:52 <koen|lab> renaming conffiles leads to tears
Apr 02 08:25:57 <koen|lab> users just don't get it
Apr 02 08:26:08 <XorA> koen|lab: hard luck to lusers :-)
Apr 02 08:26:56 <rwhitby> koen|lab: just leave the old conffile there, but in a broken state which cajoles the user when run.
Apr 02 08:28:02 <XorA> you have ten seconds to delete this file before I rm -rf / (your not running as root are you?)
Apr 02 08:28:41 <rwhitby> heh - this bitbake session will self-destruct in five seconds ...
Apr 02 08:29:13 <rwhitby> keep a counter in the global cache, and up the ante each time they run bitbake with the wrong conffile ...
Apr 02 08:29:40 <rwhitby> "this time, I will delete all files starting with 'j' ..."
Apr 02 08:32:37 <XorA> I just managed to get an RTM8000 card so hopefully I can get phone stuff running on Z
Apr 02 08:33:49 <pH5> are there cf cards that can use the pda's integrated sound card to make calls?
Apr 02 08:34:22 <XorA> pH5: never seen one, thay all seem to be serial port + headset jobs
Apr 02 08:36:00 <koen|lab> loop it back?
Apr 02 09:07:22 <XorA> koen|lab: angstrom feeds currently regenerating?
Apr 02 09:24:21 <koen|lab> armv5 is done
Apr 02 09:24:28 <koen|lab> armv4 base has just completed
Apr 02 09:24:38 <hrw> armv4t?
Apr 02 09:24:46 <koen|lab> i686, ppc603e and all will follow
Apr 02 09:26:27 <koen|lab> yes, armv4t, sorry
Apr 02 09:28:32 <hrw> I'm building oz355/arm4 toolchain to test mmc-spi driver
Apr 02 09:28:48 <hrw> if it will work then....
Apr 02 09:30:00 * koen|lab needs to find a vict^H^H^Holunteer to build angstrom image
Apr 02 09:30:07 <koen|lab> I want to get LLVM working ASAP
Apr 02 09:30:39 <hrw> koen|lab: I can run build on celf machine
Apr 02 09:30:51 <koen|lab> cool
Apr 02 09:31:00 <XorA> LLVM?
Apr 02 09:31:02 <koen|lab> did I add your ssh key to angstrom@ yet?
Apr 02 09:31:07 <koen|lab> XorA: llvm.org
Apr 02 09:31:24 <koen|lab> XorA: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2007-April/008420.html
Apr 02 09:33:28 <XorA> wierdness
Apr 02 09:40:03 <koen|lab> If it produces faster code, I'm all for it
Apr 02 09:40:16 <koen|lab> and the indt people are going to help putting it in OE
Apr 02 09:48:24 <XorA> faster code is always good
Apr 02 11:00:59 <Crofton> in short, what is llvm?
Apr 02 11:03:48 <koen|lab> Crofton: a plugin for gcc to produce faster binaries
Apr 02 11:04:15 <koen|lab> a really bad and wrong explanation, but you get the idea
Apr 02 11:05:09 <koen|lab> Crofton: http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/03/19/apple-putting-llvm-to-good-use
Apr 02 11:05:19 <koen|lab> and http://llvm.org/pubs/2007-03-12-BossaLLVMIntro.html for the slides
Apr 02 11:05:46 <hrw> koen|lab: Leaking Linux Virtual Memory?
Apr 02 11:06:00 <koen|lab> Low Level VM
Apr 02 11:06:16 <koen|lab> but most people break out in java rants when they hear 'vm'
Apr 02 11:06:44 <XorA> koen|lab: thats because its vm engineers could barely code
Apr 02 11:09:40 <Crofton> bacl when I had a real job
Apr 02 11:09:54 <Crofton> this was long ago, when some of you were in diapers
Apr 02 11:10:14 <Crofton> One of the old guys (who was smart, but was better at putting off work)
Apr 02 11:10:22 <Crofton> would complain about gcc using RTL
Apr 02 11:10:58 <Crofton> one day I should get a CS degree so I know what RTL is :)
Apr 02 11:11:20 <koen|lab> a broadcasting company
Apr 02 11:11:22 <rwhitby> RTL is the language level that we write silicon chip designs in.
Apr 02 11:11:31 <rwhitby> Verilog RTL.
Apr 02 11:11:32 <koen|lab> Radio & Television Luxemburg
Apr 02 11:12:35 <XorA> Run Time Linking :-)
Apr 02 11:13:11 <Crofton> I wonder if anyone is thinking os DSP support
Apr 02 11:14:52 <koen|lab> I was wondering about having OE build uC and DSP stuff as well
Apr 02 11:15:16 <Crofton> that is mainly a matter of tool chain support
Apr 02 11:16:55 * koen|lab looks at http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/gcc-c54x/
Apr 02 11:17:35 <Crofton> seems pretty stale
Apr 02 11:17:56 <Crofton> the problem being an EE, is I really suck at tools like this 
Apr 02 11:18:00 <koen|lab> sweetness: http://patches.openmoko.org/
Apr 02 11:18:17 <hrw> koen|lab: old news ;D
Apr 02 11:18:23 <lardman> There's always the Ti 'free' toolchain
Apr 02 11:19:52 <Crofton> yeah
Apr 02 11:20:00 <lardman> I've got a demo of the Ti's Windows-based CCS so hopefully I'll be able to borrow the missing bits (libs) from that to use with the Linux version
Apr 02 11:21:56 <pH5> I wonder if the DSP in the neo's gsm chipset is a c54x.
Apr 02 11:22:34 <rwhitby> pH5: has anyone who has seen Calypso specs not under an NDA?
Apr 02 11:22:56 <pH5> rwhitby: I think it's safe to answer that with a loud no.
Apr 02 11:23:12 <rwhitby> we'll probably never publicly know then ...
Apr 02 11:23:58 <koen|lab> I suspect it's a smaller DSP
Apr 02 12:47:50 * XorA updates gtk-webcore recipes
Apr 02 12:59:37 <XorA> Laibsch: as Mr Japanese man, have you seen http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/
Apr 02 13:20:25 * XorA works around fscked bloxx proxy
Apr 02 13:22:31 * XorA needs an ipkg that knows how to ssh tunnel on its own
Apr 02 13:40:59 <Laibsch> XorA: Yes, I have used it as my main browser for a short while.
Apr 02 13:41:11 <Laibsch> But it seems development stalled a long time ago
Apr 02 13:41:59 <Laibsch> Oh, looks like it has been resussitated
Apr 02 13:42:02 <XorA> Laibsch: its not stalled now
Apr 02 13:42:14 <XorA> Laibsch: Im just about to check in a .bb for it
Apr 02 13:42:31 <Laibsch> good idea
Apr 02 13:42:47 <XorA> Laibsch: it segfaults on me, but Im sure a super debugger can find the problem
Apr 02 13:42:53 <Laibsch> it was fairly light-weight and complete with some innovative ideas
Apr 02 13:54:19 <hrw> bootstrap-image for collie/2.6 built. now have to hack it to add lot of modules into this and can flash...
Apr 02 14:47:37 <XorA> Laibsch: I have just pushed that browser, it segfaults for me though
Apr 02 14:47:48 <XorA> Laibsch: but that might be gcc 4 guff
Apr 02 14:51:14 <koen> XorA: webcore svn segfaulted for me before the update as well
Apr 02 14:51:53 <XorA> koen: heh heh, yeah it does look a touch in flux, hopefully a stable 0.5.3 comes soon
Apr 02 14:52:13 <XorA> koen: as that browser looks quite nice and featureful
Apr 02 15:56:08 * koen uploads new images that hopefully don't have the libesd0 and mb-panel problems
Apr 02 16:09:16 <meister> nice i will try to dev the nbpro tools to make images
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