**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:57 2007 May 09 08:07:00 morning May 09 08:07:30 hey XorA May 09 08:14:21 morning ^^ May 09 10:22:06 hm... May 09 10:22:09 root@fic-gta01:~/DM2/gps$ ./gllin May 09 10:22:12 -sh: ./gllin: not found May 09 10:22:26 does that mean my angstrom kernel is missing OABI support? May 09 10:22:49 gllin is an oabi executable in . May 09 10:24:17 try chrooting May 09 10:27:08 pH5: can you share it? I have bv3 May 09 12:33:22 * XorA feels the rage start to rise May 09 12:42:37 koen: I am trying to listen to that podcast from few days ago but quality (high) is bad ;( May 09 12:43:45 it is May 09 12:43:55 that's skype for you May 09 12:44:22 ah right, one needs to rm components/.debug to stop mozilla products from segfaulting May 09 12:45:58 their spelling of hrw is... argh May 09 12:46:23 arghrw :) May 09 12:47:42 the question is: will minimo depend on firefox.. May 09 12:47:50 will May 09 12:48:04 mozilla stuff need private_libs stuff May 09 12:48:58 koen@bitbake:/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/shlibs$ rm firefox* May 09 13:13:10 enough.. I listened to first half hour May 09 13:14:30 koen: so your gdb of firefox not going well? May 09 13:14:40 xjqian: FYI: angstrom has a msn client, gpe-pim and o-hand pim can sync with kde and mplayer works fine for mp3 and mpeg4 May 09 13:15:02 XorA: spawns a thread and takes 100% cpu May 09 13:15:21 and with 1GB swap it doesn't OOM that fast May 09 13:23:37 shit minimo is gonna need epoched May 09 13:24:37 2 is bigger than 16! May 09 13:24:45 * koen stabs mozilla math May 09 13:24:49 koen: yup May 09 13:45:39 koen: btw gonna push minimo upto feeds? May 09 13:45:58 koen: then your new neo1973 will shine :-) May 09 13:47:19 XorA: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=minimo May 09 13:47:36 way ahead of me then May 09 13:48:15 I'm building firefox for ppc and x86 now May 09 13:48:25 will build minimo for armv4 later May 09 13:51:00 * XorA needs a ppc board May 09 13:51:44 I don't know of one with a WM codec May 09 13:52:36 gah screw WM :-D May 09 15:23:52 koen: what to do with u-boot-mkimage-gta01-native now that both Bv3 and Bv4 devices are out there? May 09 15:26:23 is that ok to commit: http://en.pastebin.ca/479108 May 09 15:35:50 that looks ok May 09 16:28:24 Is it ok to install Ångström from an SD card isntead of CF? May 09 16:29:04 Furre: what machine? May 09 16:29:08 having compabilityissues with the ipod-microdrive I have and dont want to risk that happening when installing May 09 16:29:11 the C700 May 09 16:30:17 Furre: I think that should work, as long as your SD is FAT16... May 09 16:30:47 Furre: I have never tried that on my poodle tho... May 09 16:30:57 512mb can be used as Fat16 right? :x May 09 16:32:26 ah, well, hopefully itll work, have yet to recive the C700, just want to see what I need to get aswell to get started :), but if it works on an SD card thats great since I have 3 of them, and is a good change atleast one of them should work ;) May 09 16:33:34 I have a few days of free time coming up, is there anything I can do to help this project? May 09 16:36:42 What are you good at? May 09 16:40:44 Furre: your best bet would be something >32MB <512MB May 09 16:41:55 alright, thought the smallest I got is 512 so I guess i better try with that :), and thanks so much for helping a newbie, hmm, maybe I should better put that in my nick so people can help when actually not having anything important going on :) May 09 16:42:39 Furre: good luck :) May 09 16:45:40 :), kinda bought it just to have atleast a somewhat fun way to learn howto handle with linux, but the learningcurve to just get a good software inside of it is kinda steep so I appreciate all the help alot :) May 09 16:46:07 just found out after I purcahsed the C700 yesterday on eBay that its possibly alot slower than the rest :/, oh well ^^ May 09 16:46:46 if the microdrive is compatible with it, it should work ok as a place to have the swap on right? May 09 16:47:22 yes May 09 16:47:32 the c700 is a very crappy zaurus May 09 16:47:34 (I have one) May 09 16:47:39 aww :/ May 09 16:48:17 is it alot slower than the c750 thought? May 09 16:48:28 a LOT May 09 16:48:36 and it has very little ram as well May 09 16:50:13 ah, but hmm, when one say slow, is it the loadingtimes people mean? May 09 16:50:33 or does it actually affect the applications alot too? May 09 16:52:32 oh well, if I can get apach and PHP running on it then im pleased ^^ May 09 16:58:03 c700 is worst Zaurus May 09 16:58:49 but, is it good enough to run applications on it? o.o May 09 16:59:15 never used - koen know more May 09 16:59:27 xD, then how come you know its the worst? May 09 16:59:43 there is Zaurus I heard erase their entire memory when battery runs out :x, so probably nott he worst ^^ May 09 17:00:10 hrw: does it have a w100 or is it trying to use pxafb @ 640x480 May 09 17:00:15 Furre: because I know which PDA koen used May 09 17:00:17 hvontres|poodle: w100 May 09 17:00:22 hvontres|poodle: but pxa250 May 09 17:00:35 hehe May 09 17:01:03 I mean, the programs, applicaions and games that can be found in the prob folder, wont those all work on the C700 and at OK speed? o.o May 09 17:01:25 or are they just compatible with the newer zaurus'?, oh no, not good to find out these things now :/ May 09 17:01:41 Furre: ootoh, if it runs there, it'll run anywhere :) May 09 17:01:52 whats ootoh? May 09 17:02:20 err, that was supposed to be on the other hand..... May 09 17:02:55 hehehe ;), well, could be kinda bad if only a few of all the things there would actually run decently :/ May 09 17:03:09 guess Id have to sell the Zaurus and get a better one when I can afford :x May 09 17:03:44 but if it runs all the items I want, even if startup time is slow, it might be worth it since its supposly still the most thin one of them according to the specc :) May 09 17:03:48 from c7x0 I suggest c760/c860 May 09 17:04:00 but c1000 would be best (cheap) May 09 17:04:33 xD, its not cheap if you're a poor student, Im just glad I was able to afford the C700, but now that I hear bad things about it maybe it'd be best not to hav bid on it :x May 09 17:05:55 but hmm, have anyone actually tested the items in the prob directory on the C700 at all, or just compiled it over to ångström? :) May 09 17:07:19 oh well, if I get tired of it Ill just mill it an aluminium-cover and have it displayed in my bookshelf ;x May 09 17:10:15 aww, seller wouldnt want me to change it for a 760 even if I payed the difference in money :/ May 09 17:11:31 http://pdadb.net/img/mc16.jpg <- hopefully the C700 will be better than my old one of those atleast :x May 09 17:12:01 wow May 09 17:12:57 the touchscreen was kinda funny, if you can call it a touchscreen I suppose depend on the defintion but today I doubt one would be allowed ot call it that, 50% of the times you touched on the right part of the screen, it clicked ont he left part of it instead o.o May 09 17:13:56 Oh well, if im the onlyone with the C700 here I guess atleast I can try things on it for you people if you want to make sure it works on it xD May 09 17:15:02 and now Ill take a break from typing cause i have a very bad habit of talking to myself. May 09 17:40:23 Furre: It would be really cool if you tested on your C7xx and file bugs for things that are not working. May 09 17:45:08 * Laibsch points Furre to the new May 09 17:45:12 !oebug 2287 May 09 17:45:13 * * Bug 2287, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-09 10:44 May 09 17:45:14 * * bugs.openembedded.org(AT)rolf.leggewie.biz: Meta-Bug for SL-C7xx machines on angstrom (first-generation clamshell Zaurii) May 09 17:45:15 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2287 May 09 17:46:43 ~hail bugmaster Laibsh May 09 18:09:11 Laibsch, Id love to do so once I get my C700 :) May 09 18:09:30 if I manage to get it installed that is ^^ May 09 18:10:04 atleast then some good could come out of getting the worst one xD May 09 18:12:54 I am sure you will be satisfied. May 09 18:13:18 Maybe you can also write up an installation HOWTO bsed on the one for OpenZaurus. May 09 18:13:37 also, is there some way to donate to the Ångström project? cause if I get it working with the C700 Id love to help you guys the best I can, and since I doubt Ill be able to contribute with something else than bug-testing, maybe the little i can donate will help some, maybe enough for someone to buy an icecream for a warm day or something ^^ May 09 18:14:18 hehe sure, probably will be lots of trail and error but Ill give it a try ^^, someone should probably need to read through it once that are better on english than me thought :) May 09 18:15:26 Only useful thing Ive ever managed to program is probably this thing for the DS, has atleast fixed some people's screens ^^ http://ufos85.mine.nu/nds/div/pixelfixer20.jpg May 09 18:15:30 As with OE and OZ, there is no porject fund (yet), but you can donate to individual devs May 09 18:15:47 But writing docs and bug reports helps a LOT May 09 18:15:53 Don't underestimate it. May 09 18:15:57 not sure what OE and OZ is thought, but alright ^^ May 09 18:16:05 OE OpenEmbedded May 09 18:16:10 OZ OpenZaurus May 09 18:16:39 oh, but I was planning on using Ångström, but maybe its easy to change? May 09 18:17:24 Change what? May 09 18:17:25 or Ångström is linked together with OpenZaurus? sorry im all new and havnt even been able to read enough about it yet :/ May 09 18:17:28 OpenZaurus is dead May 09 18:17:48 OpenZaurus is a distro for Zaurus only May 09 18:18:04 Angstrom extends that to be a distro for all kinds of devices. May 09 18:18:15 Furre, approximately you get with angstrom what you would get with OZ + maintenance :) May 09 18:18:15 ooohh, sorry I misunderstood, my english is really terrible when having a migrain, I apologize ^^ May 09 18:18:16 embedded devices, that is May 09 18:18:32 ah, so one install them pretty much the same then? May 09 18:19:18 Laibsch, pulled the commit yet? May 09 18:19:19 cu May 09 18:19:40 Laibsch, I don't think it's working, but should build fine. I'll look into functionality now. May 09 18:20:02 what Zaurus do you people have? Ill probably get a better one when I can afford to and would like to hear this time what one is worth getting xD May 09 18:20:47 instead of thinking the slowest one actually werent as bad as people say it is :x May 09 18:20:56 Furre, you'll learn more gradually when trying to get OE running :) May 09 18:21:34 oh, wait.. sorry, migrain is really making my head slow, but is Ångström = OE? May 09 18:22:11 Furre, let's put it this way: angstrom is part of OE May 09 18:22:22 the part you're interested in:) May 09 18:22:29 Furre: Your experice with your Z will depend a lot on what you want it to do... May 09 18:22:34 ah, so when you say OE running, it includes Ångström aswell? May 09 18:23:16 hvontres|poodle, actually I kinda decided to order one to have a way to possibly have some fun while learning linux ^^, and if I can actually help at the same time its just alot ebtter :) May 09 18:23:44 Furre, I should've said angstrom :) May 09 18:23:48 Furre: as a poodle owner (basically a C700 without the big screen) I have found that running opie + a swapfile on SD works pretty well. X11 stuff is rather painfull, at least it was the last time I tried. May 09 18:24:17 not sure if it's a good starting point for learning linux... May 09 18:24:22 atleast I have one thing I want to get it to do: Run apache with PHP to have it as a tiny webserver :) May 09 18:24:44 polyonymous, probably is not, but it might be a start atleast :) May 09 18:24:47 Furre, the last thing I'd want to have on handheld :) May 09 18:24:59 Furre: it should be fine for that. Hell, a 5500 would have worked for that :) May 09 18:25:06 Furre, okay, just please, don't extrapolate your negative experience on the linux world :) May 09 18:25:21 im way too dependent on windows for the constructing im working with to put linux inside my desktop unfortunately :/ May 09 18:25:28 polyonymous, what do you mean? May 09 18:25:35 Furre, by what? May 09 18:25:47 * Furre hasnt heard the word extrapolate before May 09 18:25:49 Furre: one thing that I found is VERY usefull is having your rootfs on SD May 09 18:25:58 Furre, don't overgeneralize your experience. May 09 18:26:00 Furre: Getting OE/Angstrom to run is more difficult than linux on the desktop, typically May 09 18:26:36 polyonymous, afraid I dont know that word either, *is just a swede with way too little classes in english apperently* May 09 18:26:58 Furre, well, maybe what NAbyss_ said would make more sense to you. May 09 18:27:06 Furre, and, btw, there are dictionaries too :) May 09 18:27:16 Furre: well, at least you are in the right timezone to get lots of help then...most of the devs seem to be from .de or .nl :) May 09 18:27:31 hehe, well, I kinad understand that using the C700 is way different than having a desktop with linux, but atleast its a start ^^ May 09 18:27:52 oohh neat, Ich bin Furre, ook ik bent gek ^^ May 09 18:28:06 kinda all the german and dutch I know, put together on one line :x May 09 18:29:10 yeah, migrain is defenetly annoying, sorry for all the extra writing, maybe I shouldjust go lay down again, sorry :/ May 09 18:31:24 Well, thanks for everything :), lots better people here than in the linuxchannel I found like half a year ago, kinda was what put me off getting linux at all on my desktop =) May 09 18:32:08 polyonymous, maybe Ill just put my positive experince with the Zaurus onto the linux world instead ^^ May 09 18:32:15 Furre, good :) May 09 18:32:28 it appearntly needs it, atleast on IRC :) May 09 18:32:47 first reply I got in the channel was like: "if you dont know howto use linux, dont come back" :/ May 09 18:32:58 Furre: If you have some extra space on your HD, you might want to look at dual-booting linux on your Desktop, just to have another point of reference May 09 18:34:51 hvontres|poodle, I dont currently unfortunately, Pro Engineer eats up space and I kinda need that program to be able to run :/ May 09 18:35:40 Furre: hehe...I know how that thing is...what version are you on? Here at work we finally got up to WF2 May 09 18:35:50 * hvontres|poodle is waiting for mechanica to finish.... May 09 18:35:58 but Ill probably going to ahve to go buy new hardware in a few months anyways, half of the computer is barely working :/ May 09 18:36:04 ah, 3.0 :) May 09 18:36:16 Furre: any better? May 09 18:36:22 sorry for the OT... May 09 18:37:11 Im still at school of an engineering exam, but when I finish Im going to try to get a job to work with it, was hired just last month by school to have a course of 6 evenings to teach it to people from different companies that did CNC stuff May 09 18:37:47 hvontres|poodle, well, Ive only tried the 2.0 a littlebit at time, but from what Ive heard the biggest changes are when putting together asemblys, and the NC module May 09 18:38:15 Furre: good luck...:) May 09 18:38:15 but I did my whole 1/4 year project with WF2.0 and it worked just fine, evne if I hadnt learned it at school :) May 09 18:38:41 * hvontres|poodle stated using Pro/E version 15 May 09 18:38:44 This is what I made ^^: http://www.sweclockers.com/upload/gallery/3935-full.jpg May 09 18:38:51 http://www.sweclockers.com/upload/gallery/3930-full.jpg May 09 18:39:06 heh, how many years ago was that hvontres|poodle? May 09 18:39:23 I didnt even know there was something before they started calling it wildfire ._. May 09 18:40:19 http://www.sweclockers.com/upload/gallery/3936-full.jpg using it as a webserver hehe, but I knida wanted something even tinier, thats why I wanted the Zaurus to run Apache ;) May 09 18:41:03 what kind of job do you have hvontres|poodle? May 09 18:47:27 * Furre also wonders if its ok to talk about other things than just the Zaurus in here aswell May 09 18:48:06 I closed #1802 May 09 18:50:22 Also if someone wants a RGB cable for the wii and not pay $40 like the original cost I got a 3rd-part one I can send if someone just pays the cost of sending it, got no use for it, kinda managed to order two instead of one :/ May 09 19:22:25 Furre: By day, I am a mecanical engineer, working on 4 axis robotic equipment. At home, I hack linux, fix the house and sometimes even get in some woodworking :) May 09 19:24:51 ah hehe, im studying to become a mechanical engineer too ^^, dreamwork would be to work with 3D construction on computers, and have acess to mills even at weekends ;) ^^ May 09 19:25:51 Furre: get a garage and buy an old bridgeport...:) May 09 19:27:14 haha ;), doubt Ill be able to afford that ;), here in sweden, engineers get payed ~30-40% less than in the rest of europe so xD May 09 19:27:35 but oh well, if I get hired by a little company its a big change one can use it out of worktime hehe :) May 09 19:29:14 awr, got to leave :/, hopefully will manage to get back here a bit later, bye :) May 09 20:17:02 koen: are you there? May 09 20:17:48 Is abiword included in the angstrom-x11 image now? May 09 20:41:48 goxboxlive: what for? there are feeds with software May 09 20:42:08 goxboxlive: and many of supported devices do not have lot of space for rootfs May 09 20:59:48 hrw|gone: Yes actually not enough space. But why is it beeing builded when i build a x11 image? It's likely with opie, it compiles a bunch of packages that isen beeing installed. It actully fills up my hardrive. May 09 21:12:57 goxboxlive: take a look at what tasks the x11 image includes. I think bb is pulling in abiword through one of the other depends May 09 21:13:35 ok,thx i will. May 09 23:00:37 once an image is guilt, where does bitbake put it? May 09 23:00:42 s/guilt/built May 09 23:01:18 tmp/deploy May 09 23:02:46 Crofton: right, I've got tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/{armv5te,i686} May 09 23:02:56 nothing in any of those looks like image stuff May 09 23:03:53 no tmp/deploy/image May 09 23:03:56 somwhere? May 09 23:04:14 you did bitbake bootstrap-image? May 09 23:04:59 no, bitbake angstrom-x11-image May 09 23:05:07 hmm May 09 23:05:10 and I'm not seeing a tmp/deploy/image May 09 23:05:16 that should make an image May 09 23:05:28 is there a machine name in tmp deploy? May 09 23:05:53 no, the only dir is glibc May 09 23:05:59 hmmm May 09 23:06:01 not sure May 09 23:06:10 My angstrom isn't around atm May 09 23:06:14 so I cn't check locally May 09 23:06:25 I assume the run completed OK? May 09 23:06:26 summatusmentis: Are you sure the compilation finished successfully? May 09 23:06:32 maybe read the log? May 09 23:06:49 Laibsch: yeah, hold on, I'm pastebin'ing the last little bit May 09 23:07:31 http://pastebin.ca/479875 , some errors about sanity tests, but it says the build finished May 09 23:08:46 ah, there it is May 09 23:08:52 heh May 09 23:09:19 it's org.openembedded.dev/tmp/deploy/glibc/images May 09 23:09:28 not OE/tmp May 09 23:09:29 yeah something like that :) May 09 23:09:31 I was too far up May 09 23:10:05 sorry to bother you all May 09 23:13:33 :) May 09 23:54:01 Crofton: I think that image broke something, it started flashing, and I left it to go eat. When I came back, the Z won't boot May 09 23:54:20 I can get back to the flashing screen, but not to a console via NAND (using the D and B) buttons May 09 23:55:02 I only use OSK May 09 23:55:10 no zaurii for me May 09 23:55:15 oh, alright, sorry May 09 23:55:23 np May 10 00:06:35 does anyone else have any ideas? May 10 01:46:00 ok... so I finished flashing the angstrom-x11-image I built, and it worked fine, said rebooting May 10 01:46:19 and now it won't boot, I press the power button once, screen flashes once, and goes blank May 10 02:04:38 anyone? May 10 02:20:06 !bug **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 10 02:59:56 2007