**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 10 02:59:56 2007
May 10 04:17:19 <rds> try with: set linuxargs "console=ttyS00,115200"
May 10 05:50:45 <Furre> Z will be shipped in 24h, pity it just took 3days before her wrote that.
May 10 08:03:38 <XorA> morning
May 10 08:12:43 <XorA> anyone tried upstart in Angstrom?
May 10 08:52:02 <XorA> ah SSL kills minimo
May 10 08:57:22 <XorA> hrw: how did you debug minimo, gdb doesnt seem to like it
May 10 08:58:16 <hrw> I just built and started it
May 10 08:58:21 <hrw> no debugger used
May 10 08:59:05 <hrw> I read eabi fix patches and grepped sources for all occurences of arm fpu checks and found 3rd one
May 10 08:59:13 <hrw> patched and it works
May 10 08:59:28 <XorA> hrw: wicked
May 10 08:59:36 <hrw> ;D
May 10 09:00:01 * XorA wonders if 1.0.7 will work with those same patches, it always was more stable and I beleive the same branch as miimo
May 10 09:00:15 <hrw> update it to 1.0.8 then
May 10 09:12:20 <XorA> hrw: ah, 1.0.7 is older, patches dont apply, need to do wm work so dont have time to examine them
May 10 09:16:36 * XorA needs to figure out how to get paid to work directly on OE
May 10 09:19:18 <nauj27> hi
May 10 10:35:09 <summatusmentis> A new Angstrom build killed my NAND
May 10 10:35:37 * XorA doubts that
May 10 10:35:41 <hrw> was larger then rootfs
May 10 10:36:34 <summatusmentis> hrw: either it didn't put rootfs where I wanted it(on the HD) or something is drastically wrong
May 10 10:37:02 <summatusmentis> XorA: no, it broke it, I couldn't get to NAND console, I couldn't reflash to anything else, the Z wouldn't turn on
May 10 10:37:12 <hrw> nand restore
May 10 10:37:29 <summatusmentis> hrw: yeah, I've done that, and I"m back at OZ GPE for now
May 10 10:37:47 <XorA> it takes like a million writes to the same page to break NAND
May 10 10:37:50 <hrw> we need to work on updater.sh
May 10 10:38:18 <summatusmentis> hrw: will updater.sh from OZ make it work? or should I start looking at it?
May 10 10:38:30 <hrw> it is same updater
May 10 10:38:41 <Furre> im not sure if this is true or not, but from what Ive read on several pages when reacing aobut the Zaurus, it appears that when it complains about the NAND, its actually something else in the hardware thats defective o.o
May 10 10:41:00 <summatusmentis> Furre: there was nothing 'complaining' just nothing working
May 10 10:41:31 <Furre> exactly :x
May 10 10:41:51 <summatusmentis> hrw: I'm using the same / partition that I was for OZ/GPE, and it's 1Gb
May 10 10:43:34 <summatusmentis> Furre: a NAND restore fixed it, and I didn't have any problems until after I flashed to the new Angstrom image
May 10 10:43:58 <Furre> ah, what did the diagnostic say?
May 10 10:45:11 <Furre> if it passed, what Ive said is irrelevant so just ignore it ^^
May 10 10:46:33 <XorA> summatusmentis: none of the zaureses have a 1G NAND, you arent making sense
May 10 10:46:38 <summatusmentis> Furre: well, I haven't done a diagnostic after I restored it
May 10 10:46:58 <summatusmentis> XorA: no, the / for OZ, the partition on the HD is 1Gb
May 10 10:47:20 <XorA> Angstrom goes on the drive as well
May 10 10:47:23 <Furre> ah, give it a try maybe? cause if Ångström uses more memory than the default flash, it might be problems with the space that Ångström uses more than the default?
May 10 10:47:34 <XorA> not in flash
May 10 10:47:53 <summatusmentis> XorA: which, unless I did something incorrectly, is why I was confused that angstrom was larger than the rootfs
May 10 10:48:26 <XorA> you didnt name the file initrd.bin by accident?
May 10 10:48:36 <summatusmentis> XorA: I know, I followed the instructions on the Angstrom site for installing to spitz
May 10 10:48:50 <summatusmentis> nope, hdimage1.tgz, and zImage.bin
May 10 10:48:57 <summatusmentis> and updater.sh
May 10 10:50:17 <hrw> I need to rework my updater.sh again
May 10 10:50:55 <summatusmentis> hrw: I'm willing to try if you'd like
May 10 10:51:26 <hrw> summatusmentis: it is in bugtracker - but now it is only unified updater for !tosa devices
May 10 10:52:23 <summatusmentis> #1526?
May 10 10:52:58 <XorA> hrw: gtk-directfb interface :-D
May 10 10:54:32 <hrw> summatusmentis: yes
May 10 10:54:42 <hrw> XorA: static binary
May 10 10:55:18 <XorA> hrw: all shared up
May 10 11:00:41 <summatusmentis> hrw: alright, I'll look at it later, thanks for all the help all
May 10 11:00:57 <Furre> Not an Ångström related question, but do anyone know where to order a battery for the C700? (aka 900mAh I think)
May 10 11:02:03 <hrw> Furre: 900mAh (bl-06) or bl-08 (bigger one)
May 10 11:02:30 <Furre> yes, but where can one get the small one? Ive only found places where they shipped within the US, but im in sweden :/
May 10 11:02:48 <hrw> tried brando?
May 10 11:03:04 <Furre> since batteries are usally what dies first, I figured it might be best to order a replacement one
May 10 11:03:39 <Furre> hrw, nope, whats the adress?
May 10 11:04:05 <Furre> if its in HK then they dont have it on the site I found atleast :x
May 10 11:06:21 <Furre> or hmm, does the Zaurus work without a battery inside of it, and just the charger connected?
May 10 11:06:58 <hrw> need battery to boot. then can work without - but you have to remove cover first
May 10 11:07:01 <hrw> battery cover
May 10 11:08:11 <Furre> only a tiny one with the C700 thought ;x, cause if one can just have the carger in, then maybe purchasing another battery would be unnessesary if I just used the battery when taking it out from home
May 10 11:16:19 <Furre> oh, found on ebay
May 10 11:16:32 <Furre> $17 :)
May 10 11:19:58 <hrw> url?
May 10 11:23:09 <Furre> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140115259182&ih=004&category=15034&ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST
May 10 11:23:16 <Furre> should be the right one right? :x
May 10 11:24:09 <Furre> just say "SL-5000, SL-5500" in the decription thought :x
May 10 11:24:50 <hrw> sl-5000/5500/c700 use same
May 10 11:24:54 <hrw> bl-06
May 10 11:24:56 <Furre> alright ^^
May 10 11:25:05 <Furre> Ill order one of those then as a backup :)
May 10 11:25:17 <Furre> never know how long batteries last at times :/
May 10 11:26:57 <Furre> Also, is it true what one review had written on it, that the charger is specified to 100V, but can be used for 230V aswell?
May 10 11:27:15 <hrw> read what you have on charger
May 10 11:27:19 <Furre> as in plugigng it directly into the wall
May 10 11:27:23 <hrw> there are few chargers
May 10 11:27:48 <Furre> hrw, dont got my zaurus yet :/, but in the review it said that it had 100V written on it, but they used it with 230V
May 10 11:27:52 * XorA has three different chargers, one is 100V only
May 10 11:28:03 <Furre> oh :x
May 10 11:28:15 <XorA> 3200 ships with a 230-100V charger
May 10 11:28:16 <Furre> but the one that came iwth your zaurus was 100V right?
May 10 11:28:19 <Furre> ah :x
May 10 11:28:28 <XorA> C860 came with a 100V only
May 10 11:28:43 <Furre> getting a c700 so probably will be 100V there too :x
May 10 11:28:52 <XorA> 5500 came with a 230-100V one as well
May 10 11:29:11 <Furre> but 5500 was sould outside of japan too right?
May 10 11:29:29 <XorA> Furre: yes
May 10 11:29:37 <Furre> then I belive that would be the reason hehe ^^
May 10 11:30:44 <Furre> oh well, hmm, none of you got a C7x0 here? or am I the one that's going to have the slowest one? ^^
May 10 11:31:08 <XorA> koen: has a 700 I think as one of his many many devices
May 10 11:31:25 <Furre> ah yeah, I remember him saying it sucked :/
May 10 11:31:32 <XorA> C860==C760 with a different bit of paint
May 10 11:31:53 <hrw> I have 5500, c760
May 10 11:31:58 <XorA> 700 only got 32M ram?
May 10 11:32:03 <Furre> yes :/
May 10 11:32:07 <XorA> ~:-(
May 10 11:32:07 <hrw> and pxa250
May 10 11:32:22 <hrw> basically c700 is 5600 in clamshell
May 10 11:32:48 <hrw> 5x00 were done by one team and then notebook guys created c700 based on 5600
May 10 11:32:50 <Furre> didnt know it was that bad thought, but people have just said bad things about the C700 here, ordered it like an hour before I found this channel :/
May 10 11:33:04 <XorA> Furre: :-(
May 10 11:33:13 <XorA> We would have told you to hold out for a 750/760
May 10 11:33:44 <Furre> and seller wouldnt want me to change it to a 750 evne if Id pay more thant he difference in between after, even if it have taken him now 3days and still havnt shipped it yet :/
May 10 11:35:09 <Furre> the C750 was just $20 more so I feel kinda dumb heh, but from what I found on forums, before comming here, there wasnt anything said about it beeing slow :x
May 10 11:35:31 <XorA> Furre: CPU cache is disabled
May 10 11:35:40 <XorA> Furre: and 32M ram is tight for OZ/Angstrom
May 10 11:36:17 <Furre> hmm, didnt someone here said yesterday that it would work OK with the 2.0library, and when using a swapfile? :x
May 10 11:36:36 <XorA> Furre: it will work, just slow :-D
May 10 11:36:46 <hrw> zaurus list: 3200/3100, 3000, 1000, 760/860, 750, 6000, 700/5600, 5500, 5000 - cash/value order
May 10 11:37:01 <Furre> but what is the defintion of slow you use, is it how long it takes for programs to load, or is it the speed of the programs themselves?
May 10 11:37:50 <Furre> hrw, well, C700 was $300, C3200 is $600, and that was kinda too much for me :/
May 10 11:38:27 <XorA> C760/C860 is actually the "fastest" due to accellerated graphics
May 10 11:38:56 <XorA> but having the masses for disk space on 3200 is a dream and it is faster for pure number crunching
May 10 11:39:11 <hrw> XorA: too bad that this is my poky machine so fbdev one is used
May 10 11:39:22 <Furre> isnt the C750 and C760 almost the same apart from size of memory? atleast thats the only difference I managed to find written about them :/
May 10 11:39:23 <XorA> hrw: update poku :-D
May 10 11:39:34 <XorA> Furre: yeah flash size is different
May 10 11:39:46 <Furre> but you said graphics too? o.o
May 10 11:40:24 <Furre> or you ment that with the 750 aswell? sorry, im a bit comfused :)
May 10 11:40:48 <hrw> XorA: I need to know how fbdev works as other devices use it
May 10 11:45:24 <Furre> The speed of the C700, will it be enough to run Apache, an IRC client aswell as a text-editor?
May 10 11:57:15 <hrw> XorA: want good news?
May 10 12:06:08 <Laibsch> psokolovsky: While you are right that 2291 is not an opie bug, it still is a blocker for 2186 IMO
May 10 12:06:20 <XorA> hrw: yes
May 10 12:06:32 <XorA> Furre: apache might eat all the ram
May 10 12:06:46 <XorA> Furre: do you need apache or will tinyhttp or boa do?
May 10 12:06:50 <psokolovsky> Laibsch: then every second bug is a blocker for every other second bug
May 10 12:07:28 <hrw> NOTE: package minimo-0.016+cvs20070510-r0: task do_build: completed
May 10 12:08:16 <XorA> hrw: is that equiv to minimo 0.2, or did they change branches again?
May 10 12:08:38 <hrw> XorA: no idea - build from same branch as before
May 10 12:08:45 <hrw> it works but crash on ssl
May 10 12:08:53 <XorA> hrw: same as I see then
May 10 12:09:05 <hrw> but this ver is nicer
May 10 12:09:25 <XorA> hrw: all I need to do is move SRCDATE?
May 10 12:09:31 <hrw> yes
May 10 12:10:13 <hrw> XorA: do you have openssl on device?
May 10 12:10:59 <XorA> hrw: erm
May 10 12:14:39 <XorA> libssl0.9.7
May 10 12:20:09 <XorA> hrw: you are becoming the mozilla master
May 10 12:21:03 <hrw> XorA: I am paid for it
May 10 12:21:12 <XorA> hrw: lucky you
May 10 12:21:25 <XorA> hrw: I think I require money before messing with that code again :-)
May 10 12:24:20 <XorA> hrw: minimo.patch failed
May 10 12:24:50 <hrw> I know
May 10 12:24:58 <XorA> just refreesh and continue?
May 10 12:25:37 <hrw> grab from Poky - just pushed
May 10 12:26:28 <XorA> hrw: cool
May 10 12:29:20 * XorA wonders why ssl kills it
May 10 12:32:22 <Furre> XorA, well, as long as it works with PHP anything is fine
May 10 12:33:11 <hrw> really?
May 10 12:33:19 <hrw> I cant do bank accounting without ssl
May 10 12:36:56 <XorA> hrw: Im building new version now
May 10 12:37:22 <XorA> Furre: hmm, php is asking a lot, its default buffer size is 8M
May 10 12:37:40 <XorA> Furre: and Ive seen a lot of apps overflow that
May 10 12:37:40 <Furre> wont that be enough? :x
May 10 12:37:46 <Furre> oh ._.
May 10 12:38:07 <Furre> cant one decrease it?
May 10 12:38:17 <hrw> I wrote php shell script which needed 80MB
May 10 12:38:43 <XorA> Furre: well this is 8M of your 32M gone already, its about 20M to boot into gpe environment
May 10 12:38:45 <Furre> well, the only PHP script would be a counter, and something for uploading files :x
May 10 12:39:02 <XorA> Furre: so 28M gone and you havent started apache yet
May 10 12:39:15 <Furre> cant one use a swapfile?
May 10 12:39:27 <XorA> Furre: you can, on SD/CF card
May 10 12:39:38 <Furre> wouldnt that make it work better?
May 10 12:40:06 <XorA> Furre: Im not saying its impossible, just trying to be slightly pessemistic so you enjoy your machine more :-)
May 10 12:40:21 <Furre> ;)
May 10 12:40:26 <XorA> then you can come back here and tell me I was wrong
May 10 12:40:50 <Furre> hehe, with my knowledge of linux, which is pretty much none, that might take a while xD
May 10 12:41:00 <Furre> but has anyone here actually tried to run apache with php on a C700?
May 10 12:41:05 <Furre> and with ångström on it
May 10 12:41:24 <Furre> if not, maybe its not as bad you people think, whom know ^^
May 10 12:41:43 <Furre> or maybe its worse than you think and Ill be crying for months ;)
May 10 12:42:24 <Furre> well, im probably going to try to sell it as soon as I can and get a C750 instead, but that might take long since no one here have a clue what a zaurus is o.o
May 10 12:44:20 <Laibsch> psokolovsky: You are exaggerating.  And yes, I do mark related bugs.
May 10 12:46:22 <XorA> NOTE: package minimo-0.02+cvs20070510: completed
May 10 12:46:39 <psokolovsky> Laibsch: no, I do not. following your logic, if there's a breakage which globally affects the build, each of hundreds existing bug reports must be made dependen on the one which tracks that issue.
May 10 12:47:19 <Furre> hey XorA, want to buy my C700 for $300? ;)
May 10 12:49:10 <XorA> bargain
May 10 12:51:09 <Furre> yes! $1 than what I pay for it ;)
May 10 12:51:14 <Furre> $1 less*
May 10 12:51:37 <Furre> but hmm, if I was to buy another zaurus, which one should I get? :x
May 10 12:52:09 <hrw> 10 13:45 < hrw> zaurus list: 3200/3100, 3000, 1000, 760/860, 750, 6000, 700/5600, 5500, 5000 - cash/value order
May 10 12:52:31 <Furre> well, 3200 is way expencive :x
May 10 12:52:40 <Laibsch> hrw: value for money or just plain price?
May 10 12:52:47 <Furre> probably price :/
May 10 12:52:56 <hrw> worth-to-buy value
May 10 12:53:05 <Furre> but not depending on price then ;x
May 10 12:53:33 <Furre> the C700 I bought is half the money a 3200 is and I thinkt hat some of the in betweens that arent $600 might be more worth the money to spend on them? :x
May 10 12:54:00 <Laibsch> hrw: That really depends on what you intend to do and how much money you have in relation to what price you can get for a machine, don't you think?
May 10 12:54:14 <Laibsch> hrw: I don't agree with your assessment of the collie for example
May 10 12:54:25 <Laibsch> I think it is a *very* nice machine
May 10 12:54:35 <Furre> which one is the collie? :x
May 10 12:54:41 <Laibsch> SL-5500
May 10 12:54:58 <Laibsch> You might have gotten that for 75$ or so
May 10 12:54:59 <hrw> Laibsch: 750/6000 are better
May 10 12:55:07 <XorA> collie cost me 20gbp
May 10 12:55:27 <Laibsch> hrw: Technically, no question.  But it always comes down to price vs (needed) features
May 10 12:55:31 <hrw> sure
May 10 12:55:50 <Laibsch> XorA: Recently?
May 10 12:55:56 <XorA> Laibsch: couple months ago
May 10 12:56:25 <Furre> But hmm, if I was to get a Zaurus that could run Apache with PHP, IRC client, webbroweser and possibly play some games, and at the same time not be horribly slow, which one would that be? :x
May 10 12:57:22 <XorA> Ipaq 4800
May 10 12:57:31 <XorA> I think thats the right one
May 10 12:57:39 <hrw> 4800? hx4700 you mean?
May 10 12:57:41 <johnx> maybe an nokia n800?
May 10 12:57:46 <XorA> hrw: yeah that one
May 10 12:57:51 <XorA> vga+128M
May 10 12:57:57 <hrw> avoid nokia tablets
May 10 12:58:02 <Laibsch> I replaced my broken one about a half a year ago (since I needed it urgently) and paid 50€ for the collie including a battery extender, CF WLAN card, 256MB SD card, charger and leather case.  I hope I did not overpay.  But the money went to a friend, so no big deal.
May 10 12:58:03 <johnx> heh
May 10 12:58:09 <johnx> hrw, too late
May 10 12:58:11 <Laibsch> XorA: last comment for you
May 10 12:58:50 <XorA> Laibsch: the guys wanted 30gbp for case+cards, but I didnt need them
May 10 12:58:57 <XorA> Laibsch: so sounds like you paid what I did
May 10 12:59:34 <Furre> aww, looks like Ive made horribly deals :/, bought a CF-wifi for £30 :x
May 10 13:00:03 <XorA> Furre: you in UK?
May 10 13:00:08 <Furre> sweden :/
May 10 13:00:39 <Furre> but 500skr wich should be ~£30
May 10 13:00:45 <XorA> Furre: ah right
May 10 13:00:56 <XorA> maybe yours is snow proof
May 10 13:01:08 <Furre> maybe I can dive with it too ;)
May 10 13:01:13 <johnx> Furre, I think that's around what my most recent CF WiFi cost as well
May 10 13:01:23 <johnx> they seem to vary in price pretty widely
May 10 13:01:38 <Furre> ah, well I just bought one on eBay of the same brand that someone said worked for the Zaurus without too much trouble :x
May 10 13:02:00 <Furre> oh well, atleast if I buy a new Zaurus I dont have to buy a new one :x
May 10 13:02:43 <Furre> Hmm, what is the earliest model of the Z that could use USB-sticks with it? o.o
May 10 13:02:52 <XorA> Furre: 6000
May 10 13:03:03 <Furre> oh, the 3200 cant do that? :x
May 10 13:03:18 <hrw> you asked for EARLIEST
May 10 13:03:20 <XorA> Furre: 6000 is earlier than 3X00 and 1000
May 10 13:03:22 <johnx> C3200/3100/3000/1000 and 6000, but the cheapest is probably a C1000
May 10 13:03:29 <Furre> oohh
May 10 13:03:40 <Furre> It hought 6000 was the latest ^^, sorry
May 10 13:03:43 <XorA> 6000 is a pumped up 5500
May 10 13:03:57 * Furre got a 400GB externa harddrive, and would be neat to have the zaurus using that one ^^
May 10 13:03:58 <johnx> Furre, nah that'd make too much sense
May 10 13:04:00 <hrw> 5000, 5500, 5600, 700, 750, 760, 860, 6000, 3000, 1000, 3100, 3200
May 10 13:04:03 <XorA> the clamshells used a different number sheme
May 10 13:04:06 <hrw> that history order
May 10 13:04:16 <XorA> hrw: 6000 is before 860
May 10 13:04:32 <hrw> and sl-a300 somewhere 
May 10 13:04:39 <Furre> I though tthe 6000 was very new, oh well xD
May 10 13:04:44 <hrw> XorA: 860 is other 760 so we can ignore that change
May 10 13:04:51 <Laibsch> XorA: Pumped up indeed.  I wonder if they put air into the case.  That is a monster, a real ugly one, too.
May 10 13:05:27 <Laibsch> Furre: good information about that on the OZ wiki
May 10 13:05:38 <XorA> hrw: where is address bar in new minimo?
May 10 13:06:01 <XorA> hrw: found it
May 10 13:06:03 <Laibsch> Guys, what do you think about establing a user and a dev channel?
May 10 13:06:07 <Furre> Hmm, let me try to find the prices that are on the Z I can purchase, brb
May 10 13:06:16 <Laibsch> The time seems to have come.
May 10 13:07:36 <hrw> Laibsch: we will add 'developer talk in #oe' in worst 
May 10 13:07:56 <Furre> 750: $325     760: $375     C1000: $439     C3200: $575       <- which one of those gives most value for the money? :x
May 10 13:08:32 <Laibsch> Furre: That depends on what you value
May 10 13:08:40 <Laibsch> But I think all those prices are too high
May 10 13:08:47 <Laibsch> But that has two reasons
May 10 13:08:52 <Furre> cant find any place else to buy it from :/
May 10 13:09:09 <Furre> the C700 I ordered was $305 :x
May 10 13:09:11 <Laibsch> a) I bought my first collie about three years ago for 200$ = 160€ brand-new
May 10 13:09:27 <Laibsch> b) I could buy any Z in Japan whenever I go there.
May 10 13:09:38 <Furre> you're in japan? :x
May 10 13:09:46 <Laibsch> not now
May 10 13:09:53 <Furre> hehe, well, this is an ebay seller from Japan, guess he wants his part of it too :/
May 10 13:10:07 <Furre> but hmm, is there anyplace else that ships them over the whole world?
May 10 13:10:09 <hrw> 248 EUR c1000 in pricejapan
May 10 13:10:23 <hrw> 360 EUR c3200
May 10 13:10:35 <Laibsch> yes, that is the one
May 10 13:10:51 <Laibsch> You won't get it much cheaper inside Japan either
May 10 13:11:04 <Laibsch> You could only save on the handling
May 10 13:11:49 <Furre> oh, havnt even seen that store before :x, aww, really annoying to have found this channel just one hour before ordering :/, and seller wont accept it returned either :x
May 10 13:12:12 <XorA> Furre: cancel order
May 10 13:12:20 <Laibsch> I was amazed to see that the C1000 has not come down in price for the last 9 months or so.  Especially since the Z are being phased out.  Usually such devices are then sold with big discount (like the collie I get when US sales ended)
May 10 13:12:44 <Furre> XorA, I tried to talk to him about changing it for a C750 atleast, but he wouldnt accept :/
May 10 13:12:51 <Laibsch> Furre: You paid already?
May 10 13:13:01 <Furre> yes >.<, payed 1hour before comming htere the first time as said :/
May 10 13:13:10 <Furre> really annoying ;-;
May 10 13:13:11 <Laibsch> What method?
May 10 13:13:18 <Furre> paypal
May 10 13:14:13 <Furre> well, since obviously no one here got a C700, maybe its not as bad as people think :x
May 10 13:14:21 <Furre> atleast thats what im hoping for xD
May 10 13:15:10 <Furre> wait.. is the C1000 just 18mm thick aswell? o.o
May 10 13:15:57 <polyonymous> Laibsch, Z being phased out in favor of what?
May 10 13:17:21 <Laibsch> polyonymous: nada
May 10 13:17:30 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I see. pity.
May 10 13:17:42 <Laibsch> polyonymous: They are doing some Windows stuff now
May 10 13:18:02 <polyonymous> no wonder. So what are we left with? nokia?
May 10 13:18:13 * Laibsch did not see anything too impressive last time in Akihabara
May 10 13:18:21 <Laibsch> openmoko
May 10 13:18:27 <Laibsch> I hope that gets going soon
May 10 13:18:35 <Laibsch> plus a keyboard and Wifi
May 10 13:18:44 <Laibsch> And then I won't regret not Z future
May 10 13:18:49 <polyonymous> does openmoko power more than one device? I'm not following yet.
May 10 13:18:54 <Laibsch> s/not/no/
May 10 13:19:09 <Laibsch> I am talking about the openemoko device itself
May 10 13:19:14 <polyonymous> Ah.
May 10 13:19:24 <Laibsch> And yes, openmoko is a platform that will support multiple devices
May 10 13:19:26 <polyonymous> Then I simply don't really know what openmoko is :)
May 10 13:19:47 <Laibsch> pH5 is working the T-Com PDAs for example 
May 10 13:19:54 <polyonymous> aha.
May 10 13:19:57 <Laibsch> www.openmoko.org
May 10 13:20:35 <polyonymous> seen that a while ago. Should take a closer look, probably.
May 10 13:25:25 <XorA> hrw: ssl crash seems to depend on the cert used
May 10 13:26:49 <hrw> I tested on 128bit
May 10 13:26:58 <hrw> https://www.mbank.pl/
May 10 13:27:36 <XorA> hrw: logging into slashdot works
May 10 13:27:42 <XorA> https://www.xora.org.uk doesnt
May 10 13:30:44 <Furre> Hmm, maybe I need to sell some hardware laying around here to be able to afford another Z :/, brb to get the box with stuff laying around
May 10 13:32:02 <XorA> hrw: am I ok to add that minimo to OE?
May 10 13:32:28 <hrw> yes
May 10 13:32:43 <XorA> hrw: all I added was PE = "1"
May 10 13:32:49 <hrw> add info that you took it from poky
May 10 13:33:04 <hrw> ah.. 0.0+cvs in OE..
May 10 13:33:07 <psycoman> hill
May 10 13:33:12 <Furre> Aw! barely anything to sell :/
May 10 13:33:25 <Furre> any ideas on howto get $500? ^^
May 10 13:33:29 <psycoman> im tring install ang on my c3200 with last unstable release and i got a kernel panic
May 10 13:33:35 <psycoman>  no init found.
May 10 13:33:42 <psycoman>  i follow this stpes to install 
May 10 13:33:45 <psycoman> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/angstrom-installation-spitz
May 10 13:33:54 <polyonymous> psycoman, I suspect you've left out hdimage or whatever that was.
May 10 13:34:10 <XorA> hrw: 0.016 > 0.02
May 10 13:34:29 <psycoman> i got Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070507-spitz.rootfs.tar.gz and renamed to hdimage1.tgz
May 10 13:34:38 <psycoman>  and put it on sd root
May 10 13:34:53 <hrw> ah..
May 10 13:35:09 <polyonymous> sounds good... And you put gnu-tar there too?
May 10 13:35:50 <psycoman>  yeap
May 10 13:36:02 <polyonymous> psycoman, and you did repartition hdd?
May 10 13:36:06 <psycoman>  oops
May 10 13:36:10 <psycoman>  let me try again
May 10 13:36:20 <psycoman>  the gnu-tar is named gnu-tar.txt =/
May 10 13:36:31 <polyonymous> doesn't sound like a good name :))
May 10 13:36:32 <psycoman>  i will renamed and try again
May 10 13:36:37 <psycoman>  not to me too ehhe
May 10 13:40:19 <psycoman> i question, ang use what kdrive server ? fb ou sdl ? 
May 10 13:41:15 <polyonymous> psycoman, I think fb is used, do you have choice when you get an image?
May 10 13:41:29 <XorA> hmm, did PE support end up not turned on in Angstrom?
May 10 13:42:08 <polyonymous> polyethylene? :)
May 10 13:42:48 <polyonymous> or premature ejaculation? which is roughly equal to portable executable?
May 10 13:44:48 <psycoman>  the image dont talk about server, just talk it is x11 =]
May 10 13:45:01 <Furre> o_o, I just found a 7" unusued TFT laying around, how much would one be able to sell that for? :x
May 10 13:52:00 <hrw> XorA: claws-mail got some updates in poky
May 10 13:53:01 <XorA> hrw: I know I shall look at them this weekend
May 10 16:09:06 <hrw|gone> cu
May 10 17:34:04 <Zuse> Hi everyone, I gave Angstrom a try, very nice. However my main-problem remain unsolved. My C1000 never resume after a longer suspend time. Had the same problem with OZ and pdaXrom. Starting to believe that my Z is defect :(. Any ideas how to check and solve this problems ?
May 10 17:46:30 <XorA> Zuse: define long
May 10 17:55:09 <Zuse> XorA: it is tricky to say, didn't find a exact time. Something of 30 min to one hour or more. I can suspend the C1000 and directly resume it without problems. If I e.g. left it iin the suspend mode for longer periods, it will NOT resume. Have to pull the battery :(. 
May 10 17:56:11 <hvontres|poodle> Zuse: What happens if you suspend while the charger is plugged in ?
May 10 17:57:07 <Zuse> XorA: wrote a little script which dumps the dmesg output in a file and copied in the pre-supend and post-resume folders. However, didn't get any Infos...
May 10 18:15:57 <XorA> Zuse: never seen that kind of behaviour myself
May 10 18:16:54 <Furre> Woo! I just earned $40, now I just need alot more ^^
May 10 18:17:12 <Furre> how much was it for one at the cheap place again? :x
May 10 18:20:44 <XorA> C3200 and C860
May 10 18:20:44 <XorA> mine is regularly suspended for days
May 10 18:35:08 <Furre> XorA, the one that is most worth its price? ^^
May 10 18:44:12 <Zuse> XorA: Thanks for the info, is there anything I can do to find a solution for that? Does someone know the exact resume resp. suspend procedure of the Z ?
May 10 18:44:50 <XorA> Zuse: its all documented in the kernel code
May 10 18:46:50 <XorA> Zuse: does this happen only under Angstrom?
May 10 18:47:48 <Zuse> Now it's exactly 45 min. After my last suspend and the Z will not resume anymore. However, just noticed that the Mail-light flashs shortly after pressing the On/Off button. It seems the Z is not completely dead. Any chages that the backlight intensity is swichted to zero? Is there a hotkey in Angstrom to set the backlight ?
May 10 18:49:25 <Zuse> XorA: No it happens under OZ as well as pdaXrom. Very annoying problem. For that only reason I didn't use my Z for the last 4 month. Got tired to replace the battery over and over again.
May 10 18:53:30 <Zuse> XorA: Its working again, not sure what I did. Pressed several times the on/off button and plugged in a USB-cable connected to the PC. Thought I can see whether the Z get regonized by the PC in the "dark" state. Since the kernel module wasn't loaded the PC didn't notice anything but my Z is alive again ! Just need to find the reason...  
May 10 19:07:38 <XorA> Zuse: I think you have a hardware problem then
May 10 19:08:11 <Zuse> xorA: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :(
May 10 19:09:19 <XorA> do you have any CF/SD cards plugged in while this happens?
May 10 19:15:45 <Zuse> XorA: I tried with and without SD card. But I will check this again.
May 10 19:17:34 <Zuse> XorA: The problem is that this issue happens quite unfrequently. If I like to test all possible combinations it might take days. I do not know after which amout of suspend-time the resume will break. 
May 10 19:19:10 <Zuse> XorA: At the very early begining I used Cacko and had no problems. I might switch back to see if this is still the case.
May 10 19:21:59 <XorA> just resumed a 5600 after about 2 months :-)
May 10 19:26:24 <polyonymous> XorA, must be needing ipkg upgrade :)
May 10 19:28:38 <summatusmentis> hrw|gone: ping
May 10 19:31:20 <XorA> backlight is actually just turned off?
May 10 19:35:41 <Zuse> XorA: that is what I do not know exactly. I just make a NAND -backup and switch to an old Cacko-Backup lets see if the problem is "solved" then. If Cacko runs, it is not a hardware error ;)
May 10 19:45:51 <XorA> koen: ping
May 10 19:46:09 <koen> pong
May 10 20:00:03 <XorA> Zuse: wazzup?
May 10 20:00:50 <Zuse> XorA: Still fiddeling around with the backups can't find my old cacko backup ...
May 10 20:03:51 <summatusmentis> XorA: you remember my conv w/ hrw this morning? is it worth trying the updater.sh he was talking about?
May 10 20:22:33 <XorA> summatusmentis: I was confused this morning
May 10 20:23:01 <summatusmentis> XorA: lol, oh, ok
May 10 20:24:10 <XorA> koen: wolfson key has been lost again
May 10 20:24:39 <koen> heh
May 10 20:24:39 <XorA> summatusmentis: I dont think that updater.sh would have made a difference, something you wrote to Z was garbage
May 10 20:24:55 <XorA> koen: public key in you db I mean
May 10 20:25:00 <XorA> koen: not lrg forgetting keys
May 10 20:25:01 <koen> XorA: so I should really create a 'liamisatosserthatlosthiskey@'?
May 10 20:25:05 <koen> ah, heh
May 10 20:25:17 <koen> XorA: commit a cset with the wolfsom key
May 10 20:25:34 <koen> that garantees it won't get lost
May 10 20:25:41 * koen still hasn't found out why that happens
May 10 20:25:59 <summatusmentis> XorA: so you think I should try and rebuild the angstrom-x11-image?
May 10 20:26:18 <XorA> summatusmentis: Id try official builds
May 10 20:27:16 <summatusmentis> I thought there were touchscreen config issues w/ the most recent official build?
May 10 20:27:45 <XorA> summatusmentis: I thought koen had done one since then
May 10 20:28:03 <summatusmentis> maybe, I'm not sure, just going off of what I heard
May 10 20:28:05 <koen> the fix is certainly in the feeds
May 10 20:28:11 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: I think the feeds are fixed at least.
May 10 20:28:16 <summatusmentis> ah, ok
May 10 20:28:31 <XorA> summatusmentis: at worst boot first time, ipkg upgrade, re-run calibration
May 10 20:28:44 <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=xtscal
May 10 20:28:47 <koen> r5 fixes it
May 10 20:29:13 <summatusmentis> I'll try that, at least to get my Z working w/ updated stuff. I'd like to help out w/ dev, or at least work on something to help out, so that's why I tried building it
May 10 20:29:33 <summatusmentis> thanks koen 
May 10 20:31:10 <XorA> mtn-0.30: error: timed out waiting for I/O with peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting
May 10 20:31:11 <hvontres|poodle> koen: do you have any plans to set up feed mirrors similar to feeds.openzaurus.org?
May 10 20:31:21 <XorA> still, bloomin oe.org
May 10 20:32:14 <XorA> koen: commited a change, should hopefully propgate
May 10 20:38:28 <XorA> mtn-0.30: warning: protocol error while processing peer monotone.openembedded.org: 'received network error: 422 remote public key hash 'c9c586271704a2a42ecf06555289d4587d7c61c3' is unknown
May 10 20:43:47 <psokolovsky_> XorA: try ~oemirrors on #oe
May 10 20:44:34 <XorA> psokolovsky_: I am an OE mirror
May 10 20:53:24 <koen> hvontres|poodle: I have no plans, but other devs are free to set one up :)
May 10 20:57:23 <psokolovsky_> XorA: then use it ;-)
May 10 20:58:12 <hvontres|poodle> psokolovsky_: I think he's trying to get his mirror to sync with the main one
May 10 20:58:31 <psokolovsky_> ah, stupid me ;-)
May 10 20:59:21 <hvontres|poodle> XorA: looks like it finally made it to CIA-4 :)
May 10 21:01:33 <summatusmentis> XorA: that seemed to work, I'm not sure why a built image vs. an official build would make a terrible large difference, but thanks
May 10 21:03:09 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: other than possibly having something net set up right ? :) I just solved a wierd bug on my machine that was caused by some old stuff in my local.conf
May 10 21:03:42 <summatusmentis> hvontres|poodle: I guess that's possible, I just assumed that since bitbake nano worked, it would work
May 10 21:04:26 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: ahh, but there are many places to screw up on the way to an image, grasshopper :)
May 10 21:05:10 * summatusmentis bows down to the unlimitless power of hvontres|poodle 
May 10 21:07:33 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: I am but a slightly more advanced newb with this stuff. My advice would be to get a working console image and then work up from there :)
May 10 21:08:32 <summatusmentis> hvontres|poodle: hrm.... I don't really want to keep flashing my 3200 to make sure I have a working image... will a config for the 5500 be close enough to get a 3200 working?
May 10 21:10:25 <koen> hvontres|poodle: basically for anything 'new' in angstrom: show a demo, get your ssh key added and Just Do It(TM) :)
May 10 21:43:14 <Laibsch> Speaking of console image.  Do I have to recompile and reflash to get a GUI up and running?  I guess the answer differs between collie and spitz.  Is the only way to move root to SD to recompile the kernel right now?
May 10 21:45:04 <polyonymous> Laibsch, likely. I think you can manipulate compiled kernel, but you'd have to reflash, anyway.
May 10 21:45:27 * polyonymous wishes kexec could pass the command line, but can live without.
May 10 21:46:04 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: that's what I am doing on my poodle right now. I compile the kernel with the SD as / and keexec the new kernel.
May 10 21:46:26 <polyonymous> um... yes, or that.
May 10 21:46:44 <polyonymous> luckily on spitz I don't need SD to test image :)
May 10 21:47:29 <hvontres|poodle> polyonymous: yes, but this way I can have one Stable card and a testing card...great when you only have one Z :)
May 10 21:48:13 <polyonymous> hvontres|poodle, yup. But it's damn convenience to have just a few directories for images :)
May 10 21:48:19 <polyonymous> convenient.
May 10 21:49:08 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: BTW, package is in the mail :)
May 10 21:49:21 <Laibsch> hvontres|poodle: Cool!
May 10 21:49:24 <Laibsch> Thanks a lot
May 10 21:49:31 <summatusmentis> hvontres|poodle: how are you doing that? altboot doesn't work yet right?
May 10 21:49:42 <Laibsch> What about that kexec stuff?  How do you actually do it?
May 10 21:49:57 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, I took the older version of altboot and fixed what there was to fix (don't evern remember what)
May 10 21:50:04 * Laibsch feels an FAQ entry in the wiki might be in order
May 10 21:50:15 <Laibsch> polyonymous: Works for you?
May 10 21:50:20 <Laibsch> Committed the changes?
May 10 21:50:21 <polyonymous> Laibsch, kexec zImage-sdroot.bin ?
May 10 21:50:24 <Laibsch> Bumped PR?
May 10 21:50:28 <polyonymous> Laibsch, where to?
May 10 21:50:44 <Laibsch> You said you fixed altboot
May 10 21:50:46 <polyonymous> Laibsch, it's more like reverting commit for me.
May 10 21:51:03 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: kexec -l zImage-you-want-to-run ; kexec -e
May 10 21:51:07 <polyonymous> Laibsch, yes, but it's primarily going back and doing my own scripting.
May 10 21:51:31 <Laibsch> polyonymous: But you have a working version where you did not twiddle the kernel?
May 10 21:51:38 <Laibsch> I'd be interested in that
May 10 21:51:52 * summatusmentis votes for a package to be made :-D
May 10 21:52:09 <polyonymous> Laibsch, it doesn't have much to do with kernel. Not sure if I patched something, but it's basically baking -b the older version of altboot
May 10 21:52:09 <hvontres|poodle> ahh, the old pivot-root approach...
May 10 21:52:28 <polyonymous> hvontres|poodle, nah, I haven't got that far, just run it in chroot :)
May 10 21:52:36 <hvontres|poodle> or that
May 10 21:52:43 <Laibsch> all greek to me
May 10 21:52:52 <Laibsch> I just want to be able to test new images easily
May 10 21:52:58 <summatusmentis> me too
May 10 21:53:22 <Laibsch> polyonymous: What is in your flash?  console-image sufficient?
May 10 21:53:23 <polyonymous> Laibsch, Start with baking older altboot.
May 10 21:53:34 <Laibsch> polyonymous: OK, what version exactly?
May 10 21:53:36 <polyonymous> Laibsch, what flash?
May 10 21:53:40 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: that'll do.
May 10 21:54:07 <polyonymous> altboot - 1.1.1+wip-20061123-r0 - The altboot bootmanager
May 10 21:54:07 <polyonymous> altboot-conf - 1.1.1+wip-20061123-r0 - The altboot bootmanager
May 10 21:54:14 <Laibsch> polyonymous: I am still new to the C3xx series.  But the non-SD flashed image
May 10 21:54:59 <polyonymous> Laibsch, on spitz my flash just has a kernel and, I think, cacko rom partitions :))
May 10 21:55:04 <polyonymous> the rest is onhdd
May 10 21:55:27 <Laibsch> Well, I need to still understand how to set this up
May 10 21:55:37 <Laibsch> I guess me and summatusmentis would appreciate a HOWTO
May 10 21:55:38 <polyonymous> Laibsch, and yes, testing new images with new kernel is a bit trickier - I'm adding a symlink in /lib/modules to the chrooted modules dir
May 10 21:56:16 <polyonymous> Laibsch, let me just help you get it running and you'll make a HOWTO - I'm not good at it, because the things I think are trivial are not.
May 10 21:56:24 <summatusmentis> I know this is probably extrememly unfeasible, is there a way to use qemu or xen to have vm's of new images?
May 10 21:56:41 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: Just build for MACHINE=qeumarm
May 10 21:56:42 <polyonymous> And if I try to explain everything I'm going for explaining trivialities :)
May 10 21:57:03 <polyonymous> Speaking of qemuarm, is there a solution for qemu on amd64 yet?
May 10 21:57:12 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: Unfortunately, a critical package is failing compilation right now
May 10 21:57:25 <Laibsch> polyonymous: don't think so
May 10 21:57:41 <polyonymous> Laibsch, that's a pity.
May 10 21:57:47 <Laibsch> I'd have done the HOWTO if we had a decent wiki
May 10 21:57:53 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: I meant more along the lines of on the Z, but that may work too. I was having issues w/ qemu at first, till I disabled locales, but that might be something different
May 10 21:58:29 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: what do you mean "along the lines of the Z"?
May 10 21:58:42 <Laibsch> You will get an emulation of an arm device
May 10 21:58:46 <Laibsch> Which is all you really need
May 10 21:58:47 <summatusmentis> along the lines of 'on' the Z
May 10 21:58:51 <summatusmentis> emulation on the Z
May 10 21:59:03 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: I don't think the Z has the horsepower to emulate itself...
May 10 21:59:05 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: That would be terribly slow, though
May 10 21:59:28 <summatusmentis> yeah, which is why i wasn't sure how feasible it was
May 10 21:59:38 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: Just do the emulation on the host
May 10 21:59:53 <summatusmentis> yeah, I might do that
May 10 22:00:17 <Laibsch> polyonymous: First step is bake console-image?  Any modifications necessary?
May 10 22:00:45 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I'm only talking about spitz. First step is to bake any image you want and altboot (see version above)
May 10 22:01:09 <polyonymous> Laibsch, you do have some image installed, right?
May 10 22:02:13 <Laibsch> not yet
May 10 22:02:24 <Laibsch> I just finished baking the collie one.
May 10 22:02:32 <Laibsch> I hope the spitz one will be finished soon
May 10 22:03:05 <polyonymous> Laibsch, what's on your spitz now? nothing?
May 10 22:03:21 * polyonymous has a opie-kdepim-image
May 10 22:04:36 <Laibsch> OZ
May 10 22:04:58 <polyonymous> ah...
May 10 22:05:10 <polyonymous> OZ is not so good for this purpose, because of the kernel... 
May 10 22:05:19 <polyonymous> But possible, nonetheless.
May 10 22:05:52 <Laibsch> I don't mind flashing it
May 10 22:05:58 <Laibsch> I have nothing on it really
May 10 22:06:27 <Laibsch> polyonymous: I guess altboot-1.1.1+wip-SVNR30 is not so good, right?
May 10 22:06:35 <Laibsch> That one was chosen for "bitbake altboot"
May 10 22:06:38 <polyonymous> Then I'd go for corresponding angstrom image.
May 10 22:06:52 <Laibsch> And it fails compilation
May 10 22:06:58 <polyonymous> Laibsch, the one that is chosen by bitbake (for me, at least) simply doesn't build for spitz
May 10 22:07:00 <polyonymous> exactly.
May 10 22:07:29 <polyonymous> I haven't looked deeper into it, because altboot is a thing that is easier to rewrite than fix. Especially taking into account we have coredump around :)
May 10 22:08:09 <summatusmentis> MINIMO WORKS!!!!!
May 10 22:08:29 <summatusmentis> sorry, I lost control for a minute there
May 10 22:09:32 <polyonymous> it does?
May 10 22:09:48 <polyonymous> you mean, it even compiles?
May 10 22:10:02 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: I mean it's in the feeds, and it's functioning
May 10 22:10:24 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, ah
May 10 22:10:37 <summatusmentis> how do I change the cursor theme?
May 10 22:10:38 <polyonymous> hmm..
May 10 22:10:49 <polyonymous> /home/hacker/OE/angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070510-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall -t -m 644 nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h  ../dist/sdk/include
May 10 22:10:49 <polyonymous> | /home/hacker/OE/angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070510-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall: cannot access nsBuildID.h: Invalid argument
May 10 22:12:01 <Laibsch> yes, hrw made it work
May 10 22:12:13 <Laibsch> polyonymous: you missed the discussion?
May 10 22:13:27 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I've seen the discussion going, but haven't paid any attention to details.
May 10 22:13:41 <polyonymous> So, he made it work, but didn't commit?
May 10 22:13:53 <Laibsch> I think he probably did
May 10 22:13:58 <Laibsch> But maybe to poky only
May 10 22:14:02 <Laibsch> That is what he said
May 10 22:14:06 <polyonymous> ah
May 10 22:14:12 <Laibsch> In any case, I am sure we will have it soon
May 10 22:14:23 <Laibsch> Poky is probably accessible as well
May 10 22:14:32 <polyonymous> Well, I don't yet find x image useful, so it' just curiosity
May 10 22:14:33 <Laibsch> ssl seems to be not working consistently
May 10 22:14:44 <Laibsch> A decent browser is gonna be SOOO cool
May 10 22:14:53 <Laibsch> That was one of the major drawbacks
May 10 22:14:55 <polyonymous> yup.
May 10 22:15:18 <polyonymous> so far my browser is opie-console -> ssh -> lynx/links :)
May 10 22:20:13 <polyonymous> spit yourself! :)
May 10 22:20:20 <polyonymous> Just tried opie-irc :)
May 10 22:22:12 <polyonymous> well, it works :)
May 10 22:23:10 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: I just got xchat on GPE :-D i'm excited
May 10 22:23:26 <polyonymous> summatusmentis,  :)
May 10 22:24:00 <Laibsch> polyonymous: mtn up showed some changes for minimo just a minute ago
May 10 22:24:02 <summatusmentis> how does one go about changing the cursor theme?
May 10 22:24:10 <Laibsch> The update seems to be in OE already
May 10 22:24:26 <polyonymous> hmm..
May 10 22:25:57 <summatusmentis> also, how do I put specific 'icons' in specific 'folders' ?
May 10 22:26:02 <polyonymous> trying to pull...
May 10 22:26:55 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I seem to be up-to-date and it doesn't build for me.
May 10 22:27:12 <Laibsch> OK
May 10 22:27:42 <Laibsch> best thing is to ask hrw when he is awake
May 10 22:28:07 <polyonymous> Laibsch, or look at it myself in case it's related to my environment. I'm just not interested enough atm
May 10 22:50:06 <Laibsch> !oebug 2162
May 10 22:50:07 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2162, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-29 09:33
May 10 22:50:08 <cdbot2> * * bugs.openembedded.org(AT)rolf.leggewie.biz: latest altboot packages have packaging issues
May 10 22:50:09 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2162
May 10 22:50:37 <Laibsch> polyonymous: altboot-1.1.1+wip-20061123 is empty for collie :-(
May 10 22:51:05 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I only talked about spitz..
May 10 22:51:22 <Laibsch> I know. FYI
May 10 22:51:33 <polyonymous> what I'm talking about doesn't make sense on collie, anyway, I'm afraid.
May 10 22:51:45 <polyonymous> Ah, well. I'm not really surprised.
May 10 22:52:58 <Laibsch> It would be nice to have a solution for collie, too,though
May 10 22:53:17 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I don't have a collie.
May 10 22:58:30 <Laibsch> I know
May 10 23:01:21 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: I hear you've been working on an angstrom opie image?
May 10 23:01:25 <summatusmentis> is it functional?
May 10 23:01:36 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, I'm using it.
May 10 23:01:49 <summatusmentis> cool
May 10 23:01:59 <polyonymous> even opie-kdepim-image
May 10 23:02:00 <summatusmentis> only works on spitz?
May 10 23:02:20 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, no, not only, but I have no idea about other machines.
May 10 23:02:21 <summatusmentis> or spitz-family anyway
May 10 23:02:33 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, but I think you have spitz (terrier?), yes?
May 10 23:02:37 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: ok, I might build it for collie, and see if I can get it working
May 10 23:02:43 <polyonymous> ah
May 10 23:02:53 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: yeah, and collie, and as I just got terrier working w/ GPE, I'm not touching that :-D
May 10 23:03:40 <polyonymous> well, I think it should build for collie, except for lirc-modules which have "fix" (disable, really) in bugzilla somewhere
May 10 23:03:59 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=2186 opie issues.
May 10 23:04:19 * polyonymous thanks Laibsch for make the most of our bugs.
May 10 23:04:23 <polyonymous> making
May 10 23:05:33 <summatusmentis> I see, ok. I lack dev experience, and OE still hates me at this point, but I'll at least try the build, and report bugs if I find any
May 10 23:06:07 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, sure, please do. But I'll be away for two weeks starting 14th. Just FYI
May 10 23:06:44 <polyonymous> We have psokolovsky_ for this purpose too, even though he doesn't have zauria, afaik.
May 10 23:07:01 <Laibsch> that sounds like a disease
May 10 23:07:03 <Laibsch> ;-)
May 10 23:07:11 <polyonymous> ;-))))
May 10 23:07:20 <polyonymous> he's healthy then :)
May 10 23:08:12 <summatusmentis> lol
May 10 23:08:33 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: yeah, I'm hoping to get OE to at least tolerate me, and start doing some dev stuff this summer
May 10 23:34:43 * Lexx greets all
May 10 23:34:51 <summatusmentis> hi Laibsch 
May 10 23:34:57 <summatusmentis> sorry, hi Lexx 
May 10 23:35:03 <Lexx> Hi
May 10 23:35:49 <Lexx> New to Angstrom :)
May 10 23:36:28 <summatusmentis> heh :-D
May 10 23:38:21 <summatusmentis> does anyone know if there's a way for sylpheed to sync inboxes w/ thunderbird?
May 10 23:38:33 <Lexx> Use Watapon, OZ (both QT & GTK), so now I'm trying Angstrom
May 10 23:38:53 <summatusmentis> Angstrom is essentially the successor to OZ
May 10 23:39:08 <summatusmentis> if you liked OZ, you'll like angstrom
May 10 23:44:32 <Lexx> I saw that when I installed it.  Unfortunately I had to flash 3 times.  Each time going to an older version for the 5600.
May 10 23:46:14 <summatusmentis> yeah, it's still pretty beta software
May 10 23:49:43 <Lexx> Good thing I don't depend on my Z anymore. ;-)
May 10 23:57:20 <Lexx> So where does one report bugs?  Is there a list of things somewhere of needed items (documents, help pages) etc?  I'm not a prgrammer but I'd like to help out if I can.
May 10 23:59:39 <summatusmentis> www.angstrom-distribution.org
May 10 23:59:47 <summatusmentis> there's a link to the bugtracker on the front page
May 11 00:00:36 <Lexx> Fair enough.  Also created a wiki login so 'll post setup instructions for a poodle.
May 11 00:02:58 <summatusmentis> cool
May 11 00:03:34 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure as to the status of the documentation in Angstrom right now, I'm in the process of setting up OE(the dev thing), and hopefully start developing soon-ish
May 11 01:23:05 <willie> hi - anyone about?
May 11 01:23:45 <willie> got a SL5600 and want to try Angstrom
May 11 01:26:20 <willie> Ive looked in the wiki but Im unsure of which files need to be renamed to what  before I stick them on an SD card 
May 11 01:29:19 <willie> Im running OpenZaurus 3.5.4.2-rc2 and Opie 1.2.1 for now
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