**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 21 02:59:57 2007
May 21 07:33:49 * koen hints Zero_Chaos and CoreDump|afk at the -devel mailinglist for discussions
May 21 07:34:19 * koen also hints Zero_Chaos at the the taki-wifi dependency of angstrom-x11-image
May 21 07:34:28 <koen> if you can't read, stop whining
May 21 07:45:24 <XorA> morning
May 21 07:49:36 <koen> XorA: good morning!
May 21 08:01:09 <XorA> Zero_Chaos: mtn pull
May 21 08:15:36 <koen> XorA: I looked into the scap problem, and it seems the tickle.php isn't doing its job
May 21 08:16:20 <XorA> koen: does that mean we have to send in Mr PHP :-)
May 21 08:16:36 <koen> probably
May 21 08:16:59 <koen> it's likely something mundane as file permissions, since it started failing after the reboot
May 21 08:36:39 <Freak_NL> Hello
May 21 08:38:00 <Freak_NL> A task failed during the build of angstrom-x11-image, I found a bug concerning it in the tracker and patched the recipe, what is the best way to tell bitbake to resume building, but to start over on this package?
May 21 08:38:15 <Freak_NL> remove the stamps for that package?
May 21 08:38:48 <koen> change the PR of that package
May 21 08:39:24 <Freak_NL> Thanks
May 21 08:45:03 <Freak_NL> Excellent, that worked
May 21 08:50:10 <XorA> Zero_Chaos: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2178 do we have any use for gpsmap in OE kismet?
May 21 08:53:15 <Freak_NL> That's the bug I ran into
May 21 09:12:44 <Freak_NL> heh, angstrom-version-test fails if you happen to change days sometime during the build
May 21 09:43:13 * koen declares "Arieh Skliarouk" the most clueless person in the world
May 21 09:46:29 <XorA> who is "Arieh Skliarouk"
May 21 09:48:48 <koen> see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openzaurus.devel/1495
May 21 09:57:04 <XorA> ah, now I see why OM people complain about bitbake being slow
May 21 09:58:58 <koen> bitbake is slow, but what did you observe?
May 21 10:00:02 <XorA> that stupid patch for fetching svn versions, does a network connection for every svn .bb, hence parsing cache takes minutes instead of micro seconds
May 21 10:00:15 <koen> ah, right
May 21 10:00:25 <rwhitby> or hours if you're on the other side of the world from all open source repositories
May 21 10:00:26 <XorA> so they broke it, and then bitch about it
May 21 10:00:55 <koen> so business as usual
May 21 10:01:27 <XorA> thank fuck for MokoMakefile otherwise Id get bored.
May 21 10:02:51 <rwhitby> XorA: can I add that to the testimonials page?
May 21 10:10:15 <XorA> rwhitby: yeah
May 21 10:32:44 <nauj27> hi all
May 21 10:42:07 <Laibsch> koen: He mailed me trying to get me to approves his account ;-)
May 21 10:53:57 <Furre> anyone here now?
May 21 10:54:11 <Furre> just recived the Zaurus and im getting a message in japanese o.o
May 21 10:54:46 <XorA> Furre: we are all out in the sun
May 21 10:54:56 <Furre> hehe ;)
May 21 10:55:13 <Furre> well, the dispay says CGSilicon, some japanese message, and Zaurus at the bottom right
May 21 10:55:22 <Furre> what should I do? it also beeps randomly o.o
May 21 10:55:38 <XorA> Furre: no idea, ask Laibch, he read Japanese I beleive
May 21 10:56:03 <Furre> oh, not is kinda issapeared and a new screen shows up :x
May 21 10:56:12 <Furre> maybe its something everyone get the first time they start the Z?
May 21 10:56:14 <XorA> Furre: all my Z's have always just booted
May 21 10:57:46 <Furre> now it says Zaurus at the top of the screen instead
May 21 10:57:59 <Furre> Ill just take a picky of it :x
May 21 10:58:45 <Furre> oh, kalibration now it seems o.o
May 21 11:05:44 <summatusmentis> Furre: is it the Sharp screen? Red lettering that says "Sharp" ?
May 21 11:08:04 <Freak_NL> I'm glad I can read Japanese whenever I'm flashing the Z
May 21 11:08:18 <Freak_NL> makes the menu seems a lot less scary
May 21 11:08:27 <summatusmentis> I've just memorized the steps :-)
May 21 11:10:06 <Furre> summatusmentis, no, but it booted now o.o, just took a while ^^
May 21 11:10:33 <Furre> hmm, anyone know where the english conversion walkthrough is found? I found it before but now that I actually need it, I cant find it :x
May 21 11:10:41 <summatusmentis> weird.. whatever works
May 21 11:10:53 <summatusmentis> Furre: if you flash to a dif. rom, it'll automatically convert to eng.
May 21 11:11:14 <Furre> I know, just want to try the default rom to see how it is too :)
May 21 11:11:49 <summatusmentis> useless, outdated, crappy. There now you know :-P
May 21 11:12:24 <Furre> I just want to try :)
May 21 11:12:32 <summatusmentis> yeah, i know
May 21 11:12:36 * summatusmentis leaves for school
May 21 11:13:02 <Furre> bye :)
May 21 11:27:36 <Furre> hmm, ok I give up ^^, XorA, are you still here?
May 21 11:30:13 <XorA> Furre: no :-)
May 21 11:30:57 <Furre> what a pity!, hehe, I was just wondering what files I needed, I got the updater.sh, but then there are several other files and the indstructions only names three
May 21 11:32:00 <XorA> zImage.bin and Angstrom-x11-*.jffs renamed to initrd.bin (for c700 which I think you have)
May 21 11:32:25 <Freak_NL> hah! finally got psplash to look the way I want it
May 21 11:33:34 <Furre> XorA, zImage-2.6.20-akita-20070507200406.bin or zImage-2.6.20-akita-20070506075054.bin   ? doesnt say what the difference is
May 21 11:33:45 <Furre> XorA, I have the C1000
May 21 11:33:47 <XorA> Furre: oh, your akita arrived?
May 21 11:33:53 <Furre> yes :x
May 21 11:34:09 <XorA> zImage-2.6.20-akita-20070507200406.bin is later by date
May 21 11:35:33 <Furre> and finally, which jffs file? there are three different ones
May 21 11:35:55 <Furre> Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070507-akita.rootfs.jffs2,  Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070507-akita.rootfs.summary.jffs2  and  Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070507-akita.rootfs.tar.gz
May 21 11:36:17 <XorA> Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070507-akita.rootfs.jffs2
May 21 11:36:39 <Furre> what do the others do? :)
May 21 11:36:46 * koen spots only 2 jffs2 files
May 21 11:36:53 <Furre> opps, true :x
May 21 11:37:35 <koen> Freak_NL: discussions about logo's would be better suited for the -devel mailinglist IMO
May 21 11:37:36 <Furre> should it sitll be renamed to initrd.bin for the c1000?
May 21 11:37:43 <koen> (the logo is nice, btw)
May 21 11:38:58 <XorA> Furre: yes
May 21 11:38:59 <Freak_NL> koen: I'll repost it there
May 21 11:39:04 <psokolovsky> Freak_NL: are you Jeroen?
May 21 11:39:09 <Freak_NL> yes
May 21 11:39:15 <Furre> alright, thanks :), also, how should I format the SD card to work with the Z?
May 21 11:39:22 <psokolovsky> ok
May 21 11:39:23 <Furre> my microdrive obviously dont want to work :/
May 21 11:40:49 <Freak_NL> What is the smallest screensize for devices that use psplash? 320x240?
May 21 11:41:08 <Furre> will FAT work?
May 21 11:41:32 <psokolovsky> Freak_NL: 160x160. also, remember phones.
May 21 11:42:22 <koen> does we have 160x160 machines in OE already?
May 21 11:42:32 <koen> if not, let's worry about that later
May 21 11:43:14 <psokolovsky> koen: well, plamz31 is such. hacjndev kernel supports it already, so it's one file to add it. otherwise, 240x240 (few htc phones has that)
May 21 11:45:18 <XorA> Furre: FAT will work, but if you intend to install packages on it then it needs to be ext2 or equiv linux filesystem
May 21 11:45:47 <Furre> alright, just want to have it installing the ROM for now, FAT will work with that? =)
May 21 11:46:38 <XorA> Furre: I think FAT is required for that
May 21 11:46:45 <XorA> Furre: it certainly was in earlier models
May 21 11:47:32 <Furre> ah okk :)
May 21 11:47:43 <Furre> going to try it now then
May 21 11:47:53 <Furre> and that batteryswitch, is it unlocked to the right or left? o.o
May 21 11:48:10 <XorA> Furre: if you can pull battery cover off, its unlocked :-)
May 21 11:48:17 <Furre> hehe :)
May 21 11:48:35 <Furre> left it was :)
May 21 11:50:15 <Furre> ding something now atleast =)
May 21 11:50:53 <Furre> doing*
May 21 12:09:24 <Furre> yay, working now :)
May 21 12:11:54 <Furre> confirming that installing from SD card works aswell :)
May 21 12:38:32 <Furre> hmm, installing Ångström on the C700 didnt work no good thought :x
May 21 12:39:02 <Furre> well, installation worked fine, but not running it, after calibrating the stylus, touchscreen stopped working, and then after that screen, an error occured
May 21 12:39:16 <XorA> Furre: run out of disk space/ram probably
May 21 12:39:24 <XorA> s/disk space/flash/
May 21 12:39:41 <Furre> ah, so ångström odesnt work on the C700?
May 21 12:40:03 <XorA> Furre: its quiet likely that due to no-one liking the machine its bitrotted
May 21 12:40:58 <Furre> ah :(
May 21 12:53:19 <koen> it didn't bitrot, the jffs2 is just too big right now
May 21 12:54:14 <Furre> guess Ill have to install something else on the C700
May 21 12:54:32 <koen> try the console-image instead of the x11 image
May 21 12:54:48 <Furre> hmm, anyone know if one needs to install drivers to Ångström before beeing able to use a CF-wifi card?
May 21 12:54:52 <Furre> koen, alright
May 21 12:55:00 <XorA> Furre: they should already be there
May 21 12:55:11 <XorA> unless those images are from before the bugfix
May 21 12:56:21 <Furre> ah, cant get it to work thought, the "CF Cards" app says its ready, but maybe i need to make some adjustments somewhere?
May 21 13:15:13 <Furre> koen, tried it, but it still stops when it says "Reboot" and then I cant do anything more :/
May 21 13:24:18 <Furre> what text-editor do you recommend for the Z?
May 21 13:24:35 * koen uses vi
May 21 13:25:24 * XorA uses vim
May 21 13:26:19 <Furre> was wondering if there was something like Ms Office, but to use with ångström instead, the default Z ROM had it atleast
May 21 13:26:55 <XorA> Abiword + Gnumeric
May 21 13:26:55 <koen> try abiword
May 21 13:27:31 <Furre> ok, thanks ^^
May 21 13:29:28 <Furre> also when downloading apps for the C1000, should I use the "arm-oabi" versions?
May 21 13:30:31 <XorA> Furre: no
May 21 13:30:34 <XorA> Furre: EABI
May 21 13:31:59 <Furre> never heard about that, nor do I seem to find it
May 21 13:33:48 <koen> use the preconfigure feeds
May 21 13:34:51 <Furre> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=abiword <- not one of those then? o.o
May 21 13:35:43 <XorA> Furre: ipkg update; ipkg install abiword
May 21 13:39:16 <Furre> wont I need a network connection for that thought?
May 21 13:40:56 <XorA> Furre: not got a usb cable?
May 21 13:41:32 <Furre> oh, sure I can plug that in, was trying to use the wifi-card
May 21 13:42:01 <XorA> Furre: get usb networking working, then MASQ the zaurus onto the internet
May 21 13:46:09 <Furre> not sure what you mean with MASQ but I ran the commands and got loads of text, but at the top, it says "ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: 'wget --passive-ftp   -q -P /tmp/oåkg-89soVv http://www.angstrom-distrubtion.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/Packages.gz'
May 21 13:47:01 <XorA> Furre: you on windows or linux
May 21 13:47:12 <Furre> windows
May 21 13:48:43 <XorA> Furre: Internet Connection Sharing
May 21 13:50:14 <Furre> and here's were the swedish version of it is compleatly useless, menus make no sense, what kind of icon does it have?
May 21 13:50:56 <Furre> translated to english I have "Create a new connection"  "Create another connection" :/
May 21 13:51:05 <XorA> Furre: its in the Network configuration somewhere, Furre if you dont know what it is, best left alone then :-)
May 21 13:51:41 <Furre> I know I found it once when looking for it, unfortunately I dont remember how, its horrible, evil swedish translation :(
May 21 13:52:09 <Furre> Or is it as simple as you mean I should just check the box to allow other connection to bridge with it?
May 21 13:52:24 <XorA> Furre: change language to English, find it then switch back :-)
May 21 13:53:30 <Furre> that'd require a compleat reinstall im afraid :/, but hmm, did you mean that I should go into the proporties for the connection I already have, and check the box "Allow other connection to share this" or similar?
May 21 13:54:20 <koen> sounds like it
May 21 13:54:32 <Furre> problem is, its already checked :/
May 21 13:55:56 * XorA wonders if anyone did usb networking instructions in OZ wiki
May 21 13:56:03 * XorA doesn have time today to write some
May 21 13:56:26 <Furre> awr, well hmm, when pluging the Z into the computer, is it supposed to popup as something? cause right now it doesnt at all
May 21 13:56:50 <koen> 'modprobe g_ether' on your zaurus
May 21 13:57:31 <XorA> rmmod g-ether
May 21 13:57:31 <XorA> modprobe ohci-hcd
May 21 13:57:31 <XorA> rmmod ohci-hcd
May 21 13:57:31 <XorA> modprobe g-ether
May 21 13:57:31 <XorA> echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 >/etc/resolv.conf
May 21 13:57:34 <XorA> is my script
May 21 13:58:11 <Furre> say modprobe doesnt exist
May 21 13:58:21 <XorA> Furre: as root
May 21 13:59:06 <Furre> a, that one game me nothing koen
May 21 14:05:54 <Furre> is there a way to compleatly reboot the Z?
May 21 14:06:52 <XorA> reboot
May 21 14:07:25 <Furre> ah ^^
May 21 14:08:08 <Furre> well, none of those commands gave anything in return, but when plugging the USB cable into the computer, should the Z show up in any way? maybe im missing a driver
May 21 14:08:59 <XorA> windows should do standard device install stuff, in linux-XX.XX.XX/Documentation/usb there is a linux.inf file which is the driver file
May 21 14:09:34 <Furre> ah, windows did nothing at all
May 21 14:10:08 <XorA> Furre: you might have the run the commands I posted, I found loading ohci-hcd did some extra config
May 21 14:10:20 <XorA> Furre: my script is setup to just work (tm)
May 21 14:10:36 <Furre> I did type in those manually, but nothing happen :/
May 21 14:10:45 <Furre> let me try again now that Ive rebooted it
May 21 14:11:00 <XorA> Furre: all as root
May 21 14:11:31 <Furre> you do mean in the rootshell right?
May 21 14:12:06 <XorA> yes
May 21 14:12:44 <Furre> ooh, this time I got reply's atleast, but not a good one "ERROR: Module g_ether does not exist in /proc/modules
May 21 14:13:30 <XorA> Furre: you should get that on first command :-)
May 21 14:13:48 <Furre> ah ok, let me continue then :x
May 21 14:13:54 <Furre> last time I didnt get anything atleast :x
May 21 14:14:27 <Furre> cool, when I did the modprobe g-ether this time windows says somethinga tleast!
May 21 14:14:33 <Furre> but not its asking me for a driver :/
May 21 14:16:17 <Furre> RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget <- is what its looking for the driver to :x
May 21 14:17:03 <XorA> yes
May 21 14:17:04 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: that is what it should be looking for
May 21 14:17:48 <XorA> Furre: find a recent linux kernel tarball and find Documentation/usb/linux.inf that is the file required by windows
May 21 14:23:26 <Furre> hmm, says it cant install it :/
May 21 14:24:28 * XorA cant help any further with windows issues as he doesnt run it very often
May 21 14:25:17 <Furre> alright, isnt it easier to get a CF-wifi working maybe?
May 21 14:25:34 <Furre> cause that shouldnt involve windows at all
May 21 14:25:35 <XorA> Furre: maybe, iwconfig is quite easy to drive
May 21 14:26:25 <Furre> is there a way to search for an AP and connect to it?
May 21 14:26:46 <XorA> iwconfig wlan0 essid "ESSID" whatever your essid is
May 21 14:27:10 <XorA> Furre: or go into settings and set use the gui to set the options, they are all simple
May 21 14:28:16 <Furre> couldnt get it to work XorA, but with the iwconfig I got it working :)
May 21 14:28:39 <Furre> do I have a connection now to work with the feeds? :)
May 21 14:28:52 <Furre> ooh, CF-card says so now finally atleast ^^
May 21 14:29:09 <XorA> Furre: probably need a udhcpc -i wlan0  tp get an ip address
May 21 14:30:11 <Furre> ah yes, it says it bridged fine from my computer :(
May 21 14:30:15 <Furre> :), ok Ill try now
May 21 14:31:18 <Furre> downloading and doesnt complain about anything atleast :)
May 21 14:31:24 <XorA> yay
May 21 14:32:01 <Furre> hmm, dont get the root thing now thought o.o, does that mean it still do something?
May 21 14:32:08 <Furre> thanks XorA for all the help btw :(
May 21 14:32:10 <Furre> :)*
May 21 14:33:18 <Furre> eek
May 21 14:33:32 <Furre> "ipkg: fork failed"  "Segmentation fault"
May 21 14:33:54 <Furre> Ill try to run the command again and do nothing ;x
May 21 14:34:00 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: you are OOM....add a swapfile and try again 
May 21 14:34:25 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: What machine are you on?
May 21 14:34:25 <Furre> oh :x, ok Ill try that later, need to go make dinner now :/
May 21 14:34:34 <Furre> hvontres|poodle, C1000
May 21 14:35:02 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: yikes...I am used to that on my little poodle...but on a C1000....
May 21 14:36:42 <Furre> its doing something now atleast, but horribly slow :x
May 21 14:36:53 <Furre> Ill leave it to work while im making dinner, be back later :)
May 21 14:39:41 <Furre> hmm   "-Name- want to install file ... but that file is already provided by ..."
May 21 15:07:06 <Furre> and now it appears frozen even if the LED is blinking, cant do anything :x
May 21 16:06:27 <Furre> if Ive downloaded the newest feeds, how would I install a package from it? Ive tried from the package manager, but it just gave me an error, and then the Z froze
May 21 16:25:08 <mr_nice> is there something like a angstrom-minimalist-x11-image target?
May 21 16:27:35 <koen> not yet
May 21 16:28:30 <Furre> any idea why the Z dies when I try to connect the CF-Wifi at the same time I got the package_manager open? :x
May 21 16:29:33 <mr_nice> koen: ok
May 21 16:29:42 <Furre> well, just suspends itself, very wird
May 21 16:29:45 <Furre> wierd*
May 21 16:34:09 <Furre> aslso, when I try to go into the meny for flashing the C700, I get this, any ideas what it is?: http://ufos85.mine.nu/zaurus/errormessage1.jpg
May 21 16:37:57 <koen> at a guess, "Connect the charger"
May 21 16:38:16 <Furre> oh >.<, you're right, not good to use two Z at the same time ^^
May 21 16:38:40 <Furre> thanks koen :)
May 21 16:41:32 <Furre> still dont udnerstand thought why the C1000 wont let me install the packages :/
May 21 16:46:02 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: honestly, I don't think we need it, but a better fix would be nice if possible.
May 21 16:50:29 <Furre> uhm, not the charging-light doesnt turn on, on the C1000 anymore :/
May 21 16:50:32 <Furre> now*
May 21 16:51:02 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: try hard reset? the button in the battery bay
May 21 16:51:40 <Furre> still no charginglight when using the charger :/
May 21 16:57:19 <Furre> tried it with the C700's battery that I know is working, still nothing :/
May 21 17:22:24 <Furre> bad charger :x
May 21 17:22:56 <CoreDump|afk> koen: please see my comments on "not wanting to discuss every change to death". You have rules for your distro which I respect, but nobody can force me to like them or even agree with them. Can we please leave it at that?
May 21 17:25:24 <koen> CoreDump|home: fwiw, most of psokolovsky_ 'rules' are very new to me
May 21 17:25:47 <koen> CoreDump|home: and since I'm not online 24/7 I can't jump in and call bullshit
May 21 17:26:05 <koen> hence my request to discuss stuff on the mailinglist, which mickeyl and I follow
May 21 17:26:32 <psokolovsky_> koen: well, who told about rules? I was discussing the situation as contributor, with another contributor, nothing else.
May 21 17:26:54 <koen> note the '' I used
May 21 17:26:58 <CoreDump|home> ok, that is understandable. But perhaps Angstrom should put things like these in writing (in this case basically: What are machine mentors / supporters allowed to do for their machines w/o affecting other builds). If there is such a document, I didn't find it =)
May 21 17:27:27 <koen> there isn't such a document, since it needs some thought by all mentors
May 21 17:27:51 <CoreDump|home> right
May 21 17:28:15 <psokolovsky_> CoreDump|home: if you remember, working on such doc would be our aim. you had one opinion, I had another. we should find what works for as many cotributors as possible, as of course for maintainers
May 21 17:28:53 <psokolovsky_> (if you remember ) I told that (working ...)
May 21 17:28:55 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: I think the policies are still being drafted.
May 21 17:29:05 <CoreDump|home> So I post an RFC to a-devel to define the role of the mentors, their responsibilities and their power. What is allowed, what needs talking over. Is that cool with everyone?
May 21 17:29:08 <Laibsch> There are a lot of areas where policies are needed
May 21 17:29:13 <koen> where 'thought' read 'people posting theirs to the mailinglist'
May 21 17:29:28 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: That is exaclty the way to go
May 21 17:29:45 <Laibsch> Somebody needs to pick it up and define stuff.
May 21 17:29:55 <Laibsch> Otherwise nobody ever will.
May 21 17:29:57 <CoreDump|home> I will post such an email later today
May 21 17:30:02 <Laibsch> Cool
May 21 17:30:15 * CoreDump|home reads the backlog of #oe
May 21 17:30:27 <Laibsch> hehe ;-)
May 21 17:30:41 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump|home: have fun...:)
May 21 17:31:41 <koen> since noone of us has experience doing a 'generic' embedded distro, we need to work things out before going all in a different direction
May 21 17:31:56 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump|home: FYI: I have a first cut of the menu done. I am going to try to test it with altboot this afternoon.
May 21 17:32:11 <CoreDump|home> hvontres|poodle: excellent!
May 21 17:32:47 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump|home: Then I need to figure out how to build this beast static... ncurses is not playing nice it seems...
May 21 17:33:37 <koen> gcc -static ?
May 21 17:34:37 <Zero_Chaos> know a way to build something as static with uclibc? without changing distro, etc
May 21 17:35:06 <koen> Zero_Chaos: ANGSTROM_MODE = "uclibc" and add " -static" to CFLAGS?
May 21 17:35:45 <CoreDump|home> "What is going on?
May 21 17:35:45 <CoreDump|home> --George"
May 21 17:35:48 <CoreDump|home> wtf
May 21 17:35:56 <CoreDump|home> He can't be _that_ dim?
May 21 17:36:50 <hvontres|poodle> koen: well, I get a bunch of unresolved references from libmenu.a...
May 21 17:38:19 <Zero_Chaos> koen: can i do that on a recipe basis? can I just add ANGSTROM_MODE = "uclibc" to the .bb ?
May 21 17:39:15 <koen> CoreDump|home: you'd be surprised
May 21 17:40:01 <koen> Zero_Chaos: no, to your local.conf
May 21 17:40:26 <koen> hvontres|poodle: maybe some missing -L and -l ?
May 21 17:40:27 <Zero_Chaos> koen: but I only want to build a few things that way, can it be done?
May 21 17:40:43 <koen> why not?
May 21 17:41:10 <Zero_Chaos> without changing local.conf to build those few programs?
May 21 17:41:32 <koen> no
May 21 17:41:39 <Zero_Chaos> can't the .bb override local.conf and change ANGSTROM_MODE to uclibc?
May 21 17:41:44 <koen> [19:40] koen: Zero_Chaos: no, to your local.conf
May 21 17:41:59 * koen disables repeat mode now
May 21 17:41:59 <Zero_Chaos> I know I know, I just want it to be easier.
May 21 17:43:15 <CoreDump|home> now that was an entertaining read!
May 21 17:44:45 <Zero_Chaos> koen: so I presume there is no easier way to do it then?
May 21 17:45:08 <koen> Zero_Chaos: nope, uclibc pretty much needs a completely different toolchain
May 21 17:45:31 <Zero_Chaos> koen: fair enough, I was just hoping I could build a .bb that could take care of all the details.
May 21 17:46:05 <Zero_Chaos> at least I know how to do it at all now, so thanks!
May 21 17:51:07 <Zero_Chaos> out of curiousity, what is EABI and why do we use it?
May 21 17:52:20 <koen> it's the future
May 21 17:52:22 <koen> http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
May 21 17:52:30 <Zero_Chaos> thanks
May 21 17:53:55 <Furre> any ideas why the Z have stopped changing the screen to when the screen is rotated?
May 21 18:01:40 <Furre> or is it a bug? o.o
May 21 18:02:18 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: worked fine for me last I checked
May 21 18:02:42 <Furre> same here, but now that I rotate the screen, it stays the same way :/
May 21 18:03:06 <Zero_Chaos> try a newer image maybe
May 21 18:03:30 <Furre> installed the newest one avaible today :/
May 21 18:03:41 <koen> 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade'
May 21 18:03:53 <koen> no need to reflash
May 21 18:04:06 <Furre> that makes it work again koen? o.o
May 21 18:04:23 <koen> that updates everything to the latest and greatest
May 21 18:04:27 <koen> no need to reflash
May 21 18:05:55 <Furre> ok, Ill try
May 21 18:06:30 <Furre> failing to get it to download packages in the package Manager then thought, seems to drop conneciton :x
May 21 18:09:23 <Furre> froze again *tries rebooting* can it freeze if its somehow imcompatible with a wifi-card?
May 21 18:11:51 <Furre> cool, now it can be rotated agian after the 3rd reboot :)
May 21 18:14:42 <Zero_Chaos> how do I make a reciepe to UPX the binaries?
May 21 18:41:57 <Furre> cool, abiword managed to get installed ^^
May 21 18:43:03 <Furre> terribly slow thought, hmm, will an SD card that is FAT-formatted work with ångström?
May 21 18:43:17 <Furre> wondering howto get a swapfile working :)
May 21 18:44:55 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: a FAT card will work for storing files, but not for installing stuff. for that you would want an ext2 formated card
May 21 18:45:26 <Furre> ah, is it possible to use a card that is formatted with ext2 with windows aswell? otherwise I wont be able to put files on it :x
May 21 18:45:51 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: hmmm, not that I know of
May 21 18:46:21 <Furre> ouch, or is it possible to use the Z as a mass-storage in windows and transfare files to the SD card that way?
May 21 18:48:12 <koen> hvontres|poodle, Furre: http://www.fs-driver.org/
May 21 18:49:12 <Furre> ah neat :)
May 21 18:49:56 <Furre> hmm, can one format the SD card from within Ångström too?
May 21 18:50:43 <Furre> And also, when installing Abiword, I got something named Bonobo Component and Manage printing installed, is this normal?
May 21 18:53:15 <raduga> furre: are you foxdie? or do I mistake you for someone else?
May 21 18:53:40 <Furre> you do mistake me, but I know foxdie from lots of years ago :)
May 21 18:53:42 <raduga> koen,hvontres,etc, hello
May 21 18:53:52 <raduga> furre, too, hello ;)
May 21 18:54:00 <Furre> hello ^^
May 21 18:55:37 <Furre> met foxdie like four or five years ago in a game, then suddenly I meet him here o.o, totally wierd thought ^^
May 21 18:58:25 <Furre> Well, when anyone that know howto format an SD card on the Z got time and are willing to help, please let me know :)
May 21 18:58:49 <Furre> cause when abiword is terribly slow, there got to be too little free memory :x
May 21 19:01:02 <raduga> furre: how big is the card?  and what fs do you want to format it to?
May 21 19:01:34 <raduga> oh, sorry.
May 21 19:01:35 <Furre> its 1gb, and want it formated with ext2
May 21 19:01:51 <Furre> need to make a swapfile I think, the Z is terribly slow at the moment :x
May 21 19:02:00 <raduga> hm. won't be available under windows.
May 21 19:02:13 <Furre> I know, was why I was asking if someone knew howto do it on the Z :)
May 21 19:02:17 <raduga> you should reasonably be able to install some things to a FAT fs card,
May 21 19:02:31 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: I think you are quite well versed with booting from NFS.  I got the initrd and kernel line correctly set up but it seems I cannot find the right  APPENDS line for passing where to find /
May 21 19:02:50 <raduga> to format though, is about the same as you'd do it on a desktop linux system.
May 21 19:02:52 <raduga> with mkfs.
May 21 19:03:11 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: Sorry, I only did NFS booting via pivot-root, not the "real" thing
May 21 19:03:14 <raduga> possibly first use fdisk to change the partition table, if you want more than one fs on it
May 21 19:03:16 <Furre> raduga, havnt used any linuxsystems before :/, got the Z since I wanted a way to learn it :x
May 21 19:03:48 <Furre> well, not only for that, but thought it'd be a way to learn it too ^^
May 21 19:05:45 <Furre> wierd, cannot install packages from the Package Manager, but from the root it works perfectly o.o
May 21 19:06:12 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: are you running GPE?
May 21 19:06:31 <Furre> I think so yes
May 21 19:06:40 <raduga> also, if the Zaurus is your first exposure to linux, you are going to have a hefty learning curve ahead of you.
May 21 19:06:52 <Furre> raduga, Ive noticed :)
May 21 19:07:13 <Furre> already got it to boot and isntall things onto it atleast ;)
May 21 19:07:15 <raduga> furre: are you comfortable working with the shell, or are you looking for GUI tools, for formatting, etc
May 21 19:07:38 <Furre> raduga, since shell is the only thing that appears to work now I think Ill go with that ^^
May 21 19:07:47 <Furre> just going to have to wait a while, installing firefox on it
May 21 19:08:11 <raduga> I haven't used angstrom's gui package manager, but have had many problems with the equivalents in OE and pdaXrom, etc
May 21 19:08:57 <Furre> ah, well, by the rootshell I manage to instlal thing, and aslong as one can remove things from there too I think I should be fine ^^
May 21 19:09:38 <raduga> 'ipkg install <foo>' 
May 21 19:09:39 <raduga> and 
May 21 19:09:45 <raduga> 'ipkg remove <foo>'
May 21 19:09:51 <Furre> easy then ^^
May 21 19:10:12 <Furre> and wow, firefox takes a while o.o
May 21 19:10:30 <raduga> yes, its a big package, and slow.
May 21 19:10:45 <raduga> actually, I *don't* recommend running it until you have swap
May 21 19:11:03 <raduga> it will probably either crash, or hang your system, or do other unpleasant things
May 21 19:11:11 <Furre> nah, not going to run it yet, just figured Id install it while waiting for someone, but you started talking here just after I started it xD
May 21 19:11:29 <raduga> what model Zaurus?
May 21 19:11:31 <Furre> also, is there a way to install packages to the SD card later too?
May 21 19:11:34 <Furre> a C1000
May 21 19:11:47 <Furre> got a C700 too but Ångström wont even install there ^^
May 21 19:11:49 <raduga> furre: yes, you can install them to SD and CF
May 21 19:12:00 <raduga> (install software packages)
May 21 19:12:35 <Furre> well, guess I have to wait till Ive formatted the SD thought hehe, but is it difficult to install them thre instead for on the NAND?
May 21 19:13:13 <Furre> aww! "ERROR: firefox.postinst returned 1"
May 21 19:13:23 <Furre> eek! "No space left on device"
May 21 19:13:31 <Furre> something tells me thats no good o.o
May 21 19:13:44 <Furre> and now the Z froze compleatly :x
May 21 19:14:27 <raduga> furre:  you know how much nand flash you've got- right?
May 21 19:14:59 <Furre> 64mb I think? but I thought it'd be enough for firexof and abiword, guess I was wrong :x
May 21 19:15:07 <raduga> furre: its a good idea to check how much space is free *before* you install
May 21 19:15:41 <raduga> also, the base install of angstrom probably includes lots of little things you don't really need or want
May 21 19:16:15 <Furre> how can I remove those? at the ipkg remove, do I just write their name they have on the menu?
May 21 19:16:18 <raduga> so, before you install anything, it may be worthwhile to see how much fat can be trimmed
May 21 19:16:44 <raduga> furre: you use 'ipkg remove packagename'
May 21 19:16:56 <raduga> you can see what's installed with 'ipkg status'
May 21 19:16:57 <Furre> uhm, I tried that with firefox now, but it says there is no suck package :/
May 21 19:17:06 <Furre> and still I have a firefox icon
May 21 19:17:19 <raduga> firefox probably didn't complete installation, so the package manager doesn't know about it
May 21 19:17:49 <Furre> ouch, is there a way to remove it anyway? cause that might be why I got so little space left since lots of isntalls have failed when using that Package Manager
May 21 19:17:57 <raduga> easiest fix probably would be to remove other gunk first, to free up enough room, then install firefox again,
May 21 19:18:08 <raduga> and then remove firefox (after install) if you don't want it
May 21 19:18:28 <Furre> aah *nods* but hmm, do you have some examples of packages I probably wont need?
May 21 19:18:41 <raduga> furre: if the installation failed, there are probably files lying about in odd and annoying places.
May 21 19:18:42 <Furre> dont want to remove something that will make it stop working :x
May 21 19:18:55 <Furre> ah,, that should explain the memory :/
May 21 19:19:33 <raduga> koen,hrw,etc: is this a good channel to continue this discussion?
May 21 19:19:46 <koen> continue what?
May 21 19:19:50 <koen> bitching about firefox?
May 21 19:19:52 <Furre> btw, do the apps install at /home or at / ?, it says the / is full, but the /home is almost compleatly empty
May 21 19:19:58 <koen> we do that all the time here :)
May 21 19:20:05 <Furre> :>
May 21 19:20:05 <raduga> koen: trying to walk furre though figuring out his problem
May 21 19:20:18 <Furre> maybe we should take it in queue instead :)
May 21 19:20:44 <Furre> then again, some people will probably have a good time looking how worthless on this I am ;)
May 21 19:21:12 <raduga> koen: all I know for sure, is I have a strong tendency to start inappropriate threads in #oe,#oz and the like, and I just wanted to check ;)
May 21 19:21:21 <XorA|gone> dont install firefox it doesnt work anyway
May 21 19:21:30 <Furre> it doesnt? :/
May 21 19:21:43 <XorA|gone> no
May 21 19:21:46 <XorA|gone> minimo does
May 21 19:22:39 <raduga> furre: i would not recommend trying to manually delete the files associated with firefox
May 21 19:22:41 <Furre> okk, hmm, is there a way to like remove all garbage that have been installed cause of faild package-instlalations?
May 21 19:23:09 <raduga> there are too many ways you can break too many things;  if possible, I really do suggest cleaning up space first,
May 21 19:23:10 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: short of re-flashing?
May 21 19:23:17 <raduga> then redoing the install, then uninstalling
May 21 19:24:01 <Furre> ah okk, but hmm, is it the /home or the / I should be looking at when seeing how much memory is left?: http://ufos85.mine.nu/zaurus/memory.jpg
May 21 19:24:16 <raduga> do you understand the difference between / and /home?
May 21 19:24:57 <Furre> obviously not as much as I should :/
May 21 19:24:59 <raduga> they are separate partitions. to use a 'dos' metaphor, analogous to c: and d: drives
May 21 19:25:21 <Furre> ah yes, that I knew, but dont know which it installs everything on :x
May 21 19:25:34 <raduga> by default, new packages go on / unless you specify otherwise
May 21 19:25:37 <Furre> if it was /home, it would almost be empty, and if / I still need to remove things :/
May 21 19:25:46 <Furre> aah, filled then :/
May 21 19:26:25 <raduga> I suggest, you start removing things you've added since the initial install
May 21 19:26:27 <Furre> hmm, maybe its easiest to reflash the Z compleatly like hvontres|poodle said?
May 21 19:26:46 <raduga> if you loaded abiword, that's a good one to remove (as its really big anyway)
May 21 19:26:50 <Furre> I havnt done any big changes so maybe that would be the best, and then clearing things not needed?
May 21 19:26:58 <raduga> possibly reflashing is easier
May 21 19:27:01 <Furre> yeah Ive removed it already, cleared 3.2mb @.@
May 21 19:27:02 <raduga> yea.
May 21 19:27:07 <Furre> ok, Ill do that :)
May 21 19:27:16 <raduga> then, after you reflash,
May 21 19:27:23 <raduga> BEFORE you install anything,
May 21 19:27:29 <raduga> look and see how much space is free on /
May 21 19:27:37 <raduga> and check to see what packages you don't need and can remove
May 21 19:27:38 <Furre> will do ^^
May 21 19:27:39 <XorA|gone> Zero_Chaos: if we want to keep gpsmap in kismet I can just make it depend on imagemagick
May 21 19:28:16 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: I tried installing imagemagick but it still didn't build right
May 21 19:28:23 <raduga> e.g. if you don't have or use bluetooth, get rid of the bluetooth packages
May 21 19:28:38 <raduga> and PPP, etc
May 21 19:28:47 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: I'd like to see not dropping gpsmap, but honestly, there is little use so it's not a big deal
May 21 19:28:51 <Furre> raduga, maybe you can tell me which to remove when im done reflashing, I got such a bad memory Ill probably forget what to do ;-;
May 21 19:29:10 <raduga> I might be able to give you some ideas for what to look for
May 21 19:29:20 <XorA|gone> Zero_Chaos: Ive just asked on the bug if someone who sees the bug can test building with imagemagick
May 21 19:29:32 <raduga> but "telling you what to remove" is a job for a unix sysadmin.
May 21 19:30:11 <raduga> furre: congratulations, sysadmin ;)
May 21 19:30:23 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: I've built imagemagick and rebuilt kismet, it still fails.
May 21 19:30:33 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: you can nix gpsmap, not a big deal
May 21 19:30:45 <Furre> raduga hehe, just kinda want to know if there are any big files that you suggest removing :)
May 21 19:30:53 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: it's my reciepe if you wouldn't mind changing it, it would be fine.
May 21 19:30:56 <Furre> ok, Ångström goes byebye now for a while ^^
May 21 19:33:23 <raduga> furre: I'm not running angstrom at the moment, so I can't give you specfic advice
May 21 19:33:29 <summatusmentis> will kismet work w/ an orinoco chipset?
May 21 19:33:31 <raduga> but I *can* tell you how to look for things
May 21 19:33:45 <raduga> summatusmentis: it should
May 21 19:33:55 <Furre> alright, well, bluetooth I dont want to use atleast ^^, what are you running raduga?
May 21 19:33:57 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: It does on my laptop :)
May 21 19:34:10 <summatusmentis> raduga, hvontres|poodle: thanks
May 21 19:34:51 <raduga> actually, i've used kismet with orinoco, and a linksys wcf22
May 21 19:35:00 <summatusmentis> what's the syntax for the source setting?
May 21 19:36:21 <raduga> summatusmentis: http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Contents/Installingkismet.htm
May 21 19:36:22 <summatusmentis> or, where's the README stored?
May 21 19:36:33 <summatusmentis> thanks raduga 
May 21 19:37:36 <raduga> furre: I've used various things.  pdaXroms, cackos, OEs, and an Angstrom or two
May 21 19:39:06 <Furre> ah, using Cacko on the C700 now, works but slow ^^
May 21 19:39:13 <Furre> ok, got Ångström installed now again :)
May 21 19:40:04 <Furre> ah, now its just half-filled
May 21 19:42:02 <Furre> better now raduga?: http://ufos85.mine.nu/zaurus/memory.jpg
May 21 19:42:31 <raduga> much. 
May 21 19:42:52 <Furre> okk ^^
May 21 19:42:58 <raduga> can you show what your package manager looks like?
May 21 19:43:08 <raduga> (if the screen captures aren't too much trouble)
May 21 19:43:10 <Furre> sure, but itll defenetly take a while
May 21 19:43:24 <raduga> ok, then,
May 21 19:43:26 <Furre> oh wait, I havnt updated the ipkg list
May 21 19:43:34 <Furre> should I do that first?
May 21 19:43:49 <raduga> actually, if you haven't updated the ipk feed list, it should be MUCH faster
May 21 19:43:53 <raduga> so, don't do that yet :)
May 21 19:44:15 <Furre> oh right, dumb of me, was thinking things that arent on the list now could actually have been installed xD
May 21 19:44:53 <Furre> and defenetly, took 2minutes befor, took 3seconds now to updat the list :)
May 21 19:47:03 <Furre> http://ufos85.mine.nu/zaurus/package_manager.jpg <- thats the package manager
May 21 19:48:15 <raduga> from that list, you can safely remove blueprobe, bluez*
May 21 19:48:31 <raduga> won't safe a whole lot of space, but should help a little
May 21 19:48:51 <Furre> ok, going to write those up so I know what the names are ^^
May 21 19:49:28 <Furre> also, is it possible ot take a backup of the Nand after the cleanup?
May 21 19:49:30 <raduga> all are bluetooth tools
May 21 19:49:47 <raduga> furre: yes. and not just possible, but a "good idea"
May 21 19:50:01 <Furre> alright ^^
May 21 19:50:11 <raduga> you'll need a CF card that's still formatted FAT
May 21 19:50:17 <summatusmentis> is there a way to run a "post command" after kismet?
May 21 19:50:18 <Furre> oh, wont work with SD?
May 21 19:50:35 <Furre> I only got a microdrive that is CF, and the Z doesnt appear to want to know its there :/
May 21 19:50:36 <raduga> sharp's low-level nand backup and restore are CF only
May 21 19:50:42 <Furre> ouch :/
May 21 19:50:53 <Furre> or is it possible to format a 4gb microdrive with FAT?
May 21 19:51:14 <raduga> furre: most CF drives should be fat from the beginning, unless you've changed something
May 21 19:51:44 <raduga> when you insert the card, does the drive spin up?
May 21 19:51:48 <Furre> hmm, got errormessages when trying to remove blueprobe
May 21 19:52:01 <raduga> what errors?
May 21 19:52:03 <Furre> raduga, not sure, but it works with the computer atleast
May 21 19:52:06 <Furre> let me write them :x
May 21 19:52:41 <Furre> "Collected errors: Package blueprobe is depended upon by packages: gpe-bluetooth. These might cease to work if package blueprobe is removed."
May 21 19:53:02 <Furre> so I got to uninstall gpe-bluetooth first then?
May 21 19:53:09 <raduga> yep.
May 21 19:53:26 <Furre> ok *starts typing again ^^*
May 21 19:53:46 <Furre> ...
May 21 19:53:58 <Furre> same error again but with "angstrom-gpe-task-base" this time
May 21 19:54:04 * Furre starts typing again
May 21 19:54:34 <Furre> that one worked ^^
May 21 19:54:49 <Furre> ah, got to see which package is "on top" I guess first =)
May 21 19:55:54 <Furre> ok, got those now, want me to take a picture with more of the packages on?
May 21 19:56:54 <Furre> heh, guess I have to reboot again, cant start the package manager :x
May 21 20:00:09 <raduga> ok, forget the package manager for now
May 21 20:00:11 <raduga> go to a shell
May 21 20:00:28 <raduga> oh, hm.
May 21 20:02:50 <Furre> ok
May 21 20:02:54 <Furre> im in the root shell
May 21 20:10:27 <Furre> trying to use the FAT formatted microdrive now, but the status is" not ready"
May 21 20:11:57 <Furre> doesnt appear to start spinning at all
May 21 20:16:13 <Furre> raduga, are you sure its worth getting rid of something else, or is there something take takes lots of space that might not be needed that you know of?
May 21 20:17:21 <Furre> oh, you said the PPP?
May 21 20:20:19 <Furre> gpt "deluser: ppp: User could not be removed from /etc/shadow
May 21 20:20:21 <Furre> got*
May 21 20:21:42 * Furre nudges raduga and gives him a sandwich to eat if he's still here ^^
May 21 20:22:38 <Furre> 0.5mb more memory now atleast :)
May 21 20:23:50 <summatusmentis> does anyone else's kistmet bork their wireless connectivity?
May 21 20:24:47 * Furre cant help you with that, doesnt understand what kistmet bork means
May 21 20:25:48 <summatusmentis> kismet**
May 21 20:26:01 <summatusmentis> and like, my wireless card doesn't stay connected after I run kismet
May 21 20:26:14 <summatusmentis> I rebooted the Z to fix it last time
May 21 20:26:42 <raduga> summatusmentis: yes. this is normal.
May 21 20:26:55 <raduga> that is, normal for kismet to bork (temporarily) your card
May 21 20:26:57 <summatusmentis> raduga: fixable?
May 21 20:27:08 <raduga> when kismet exits, its supposed to return your card to normal state.
May 21 20:27:47 <summatusmentis> it doesn't, I cylced through ifdown/ifup twice, and it kept dropping my connection
May 21 20:27:55 <raduga> summatusmentis: if kismet terminates without a proper shutdown, it may not get a chance to unbork the card, but if you shutdown properly, it should be ok
May 21 20:28:01 <raduga> hrm.
May 21 20:28:14 <summatusmentis> shift+q correct?
May 21 20:28:21 <raduga> try eject and re-insert the card?
May 21 20:28:32 <summatusmentis> I didn't, i can though
May 21 20:57:08 <XorA|gone> Zero_Chaos: Ill do it tomorrow
May 21 21:04:08 * Furre ponders if anyone have time to help a newbie formatting an SD card with ext2 on the Z
May 21 21:04:33 <summatusmentis> mkfs.ext2 /dev/<whatever the device is>
May 21 21:05:20 <Furre> the decide says its /media/card, so that should be: mkfs.ext2 /dev/media/card    ?
May 21 21:05:30 <Furre> dont need to specify the size of it?
May 21 21:06:03 <summatusmentis> no, not /dev/media/card
May 21 21:06:10 <summatusmentis> cat /etc/fstab
May 21 21:06:53 <summatusmentis> Furre: /media/card is where it's mounted, /dev is the actual device
May 21 21:07:21 <Furre> ah, comfusing hehe, Ill write that cat thing and see what it shows :)
May 21 21:07:43 <summatusmentis> yeah, do that, then I'll explain it
May 21 21:08:02 <Furre> o.o, how do one do / on the Z? hah, I just noticed there's no such button
May 21 21:08:22 <summatusmentis> on mine, it's shit + ,
May 21 21:08:26 <summatusmentis> next to the spacebar
May 21 21:08:39 <Furre> *facepalms* was looking for blue icons hehe, sorry ^^
May 21 21:08:44 <summatusmentis> lol
May 21 21:09:49 <Furre> ok, executed the command, and says something with "# SD/MMC in kernel 2.4"   and  "# SD/MMC in kernel 2.6"
May 21 21:09:51 <Furre> and then lots more
May 21 21:10:05 <Furre> which one should I look under?
May 21 21:10:22 <summatusmentis> you're looking for the line that has /media/card or /mnt/card in it
May 21 21:11:08 <Furre> ah, the 2.4:  "dev/mmcdal   /media/card   auto   defaults,sync,noato 0"
May 21 21:11:20 <Furre> the 2.6:  "dev/mmcblk0pl   /media/card   auto   defaults,sync,noato 0"
May 21 21:11:57 <summatusmentis> you're flashed angstrom right?
May 21 21:12:24 <Furre> if you mean installed it on the NAND, then yes
May 21 21:12:43 <summatusmentis> yeah, just making sure you have angstrom, as compared to sharp rom
May 21 21:13:04 <Furre> ah yeah, got ångström :)
May 21 21:13:15 <summatusmentis> ok, then you're going to run mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0pl
May 21 21:13:39 <summatusmentis> assuming you want the entire card ext2
May 21 21:14:06 <Furre> I think I want it ^^, ok Ill try that, brb
May 21 21:15:10 <Furre> "Could not stat /dev/mmcblk0pl: No such file or directory"
May 21 21:16:20 <summatusmentis> hrm... try running 'mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk<tab>'
May 21 21:16:29 <Furre> ok
May 21 21:16:30 <summatusmentis> minus the quotes, and hitting tab where it says <tab>
May 21 21:16:39 <summatusmentis> it may be that you mistyped it
May 21 21:16:52 <Furre> nothing happens
May 21 21:17:03 <summatusmentis> hit tab twice
May 21 21:17:14 <Furre> tried it like 10times, still nothing
May 21 21:17:31 <summatusmentis> ok... run 'uname -v'
May 21 21:17:59 <Furre> done, said the date o.o
May 21 21:18:08 <summatusmentis> hold on, sorry
May 21 21:18:25 <summatusmentis> sorry 'uname -a
May 21 21:19:16 <Furre> "Linux akita 2.6.20.6 #1 PREEMPT Mon May ...date... a rmv5tel unknown"
May 21 21:19:55 <summatusmentis> can you do ls /dev ?
May 21 21:20:13 <Furre> wow, lots of things came up
May 21 21:20:31 <summatusmentis> ok, that's good now do ls /dev/m*
May 21 21:20:57 <Furre> done
May 21 21:21:09 <Furre> says two things witht he mmc
May 21 21:21:18 <summatusmentis> what are they?
May 21 21:21:27 <Furre> "/dev/mmcblk0" and "/dev/mmcblk0pl"
May 21 21:22:49 <summatusmentis> umm... ok, try running 'mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0pl' again
May 21 21:23:09 <summatusmentis> make sure you're using lowercase "L" and zero instead of "O"
May 21 21:23:37 <Furre> same error again, and I have written it exactly like you say :)
May 21 21:24:02 <summatusmentis> alright, just making sure :-P
May 21 21:24:05 <summatusmentis> are you root?
May 21 21:25:02 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump|home: your post made it to the list :)
May 21 21:25:36 <CoreDump|home> excellent, so the mystery is solved
May 21 21:25:47 <CoreDump|home> ltg hated GPG encrypted mails =)
May 21 21:25:56 <Furre> summatusmentis, yes, the Z froze now thought, going to give it a reboot, maybe something else was wrong too
May 21 21:26:07 <summatusmentis> Furre: I suppose it's possible
May 21 21:26:25 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: SD is /dev/mmcblk0pl right?
May 21 21:26:38 <Furre> have been like that 3 times already befor today, everything looks fine, but certain things dont work, then it freezes, and after reboot its fine again o.o
May 21 21:26:46 <CoreDump|home> mmcblkp$N
May 21 21:27:01 <summatusmentis> $N == number?
May 21 21:27:05 <CoreDump|home> right
May 21 21:27:38 <summatusmentis> mmcblk<nothinghere>p<number here> right?
May 21 21:27:53 * summatusmentis brb
May 21 21:28:37 <Furre> nope, still same error :/
May 21 21:29:24 <CoreDump|home> root@spitz:~$ ls /dev/mmcblk0*
May 21 21:29:24 <CoreDump|home> /dev/mmcblk0    /dev/mmcblk0p1
May 21 21:29:58 <summatusmentis> Furre: ok, that might be my bad
May 21 21:30:01 <CoreDump|home> /dev/mmcblk0 == card0, /dev/mmcblk0p1 == partition 1 on card 0
May 21 21:30:03 <summatusmentis> try a '1' at the end
May 21 21:30:14 <Furre> ok :)
May 21 21:30:27 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: yeah, my font is bad
May 21 21:30:34 <CoreDump|home> =)
May 21 21:30:53 <Furre> "/dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounted !"  "its not safe to run badblocks!"
May 21 21:31:02 <Furre> not sure if thats an error or not thought :x
May 21 21:31:05 <summatusmentis> Furre: that's a good sign
May 21 21:31:12 <summatusmentis> umount /dev/mmcblk0p1
May 21 21:31:31 <summatusmentis> then mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1
May 21 21:31:56 <Furre> that seemed to do the truck :)
May 21 21:32:13 <Furre> now its asking for "Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: "
May 21 21:32:29 <Furre> atleast it lets me write somethinb, but doesnt way what to write
May 21 21:32:39 <summatusmentis> it's asking for? is it changing at all?
May 21 21:33:09 <Furre> I ran the mkfs command again
May 21 21:33:13 <Furre> and it did lots of things
May 21 21:33:18 <Furre> and is now asking me that
May 21 21:33:31 <Furre> oh wait!
May 21 21:33:39 <Furre> it was loading evne if it looked lik tit wanted me to input something
May 21 21:34:16 <summatusmentis> yep, that's what I thought
May 21 21:34:20 <CoreDump|home> muhaha
May 21 21:34:26 <Furre> :>
May 21 21:34:32 <Furre> do I have to mount it now?
May 21 21:34:37 <Furre> or did it do that by itself too?
May 21 21:34:44 <summatusmentis> is the formatting done?
May 21 21:34:45 * CoreDump|home probably just solved the "no alsa sound" problem
May 21 21:34:55 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: you're my hero if you did
May 21 21:35:07 <summatusmentis> I got speaker working, but there's this annoying buzzing w/ headphones
May 21 21:35:21 <CoreDump|home> and it's one of my own packages that fucks it up muwhaha
May 21 21:35:23 * Furre gives CoreDump|home strawberries to eat for fixing something! :)
May 21 21:35:46 <Furre> summatusmentis, is it difficult to make a swapfile on the SD card now that its in ext2?
May 21 21:36:36 <summatusmentis> honestly, I don't know, I haven't made a swapfile, I need to setup a swap partition on mine though :-)
May 21 21:36:40 <summatusmentis> I'll be CoreDump|home knows
May 21 21:36:44 <summatusmentis> bet*
May 21 21:37:06 <Furre> hehe, do CoreDump|home have time to help a newbie? :)
May 21 21:37:31 <CoreDump|home> I remember setting up swapfiles pretty trivial
May 21 21:37:35 <CoreDump|home> *was
May 21 21:38:12 <summatusmentis> I would assume it's similar to a loopback image process?
May 21 21:38:13 <CoreDump|home> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=6553
May 21 21:38:20 <koen> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=32 ; mkswap /swapfile ; swapon /swapfile
May 21 21:38:27 <CoreDump|home> exactly
May 21 21:38:41 <koen> afaik you can do it without using losetup
May 21 21:38:45 <Furre> o_o im supposed to write all that, and is it ok to use a larger swapfile? :)
May 21 21:39:18 <summatusmentis> yes, you're supposed to write all of that
May 21 21:39:27 * koen has a 1GB swap partition on a microdrive on his hx4700
May 21 21:39:31 <Furre> ok, is a swapfile of 128mb better? =)
May 21 21:39:32 <koen> internal wifi ftw
May 21 21:39:40 <Furre> :)
May 21 21:39:43 <summatusmentis> and yes,you can use a larger file, but it'll just take up more room on your /
May 21 21:39:53 <summatusmentis> koen: or interal MD
May 21 21:40:15 <Furre> summatusmentis, I thought swapfiles on the SD ment it'd take some load of the internal memories summatusmentis o.o
May 21 21:40:19 <koen> nah, I'd rather have internal wifi and bluetooth
May 21 21:41:16 <summatusmentis> Furre: oh right, nurr, yeah go ahead, use space to your heart's content
May 21 21:41:42 <Furre> hehe, I was just wondering why it took more space out of the / too
May 21 21:41:45 <summatusmentis> koen: I probably would too, but I <3 my Z
May 21 21:42:04 * koen <3s devboards more :)
May 21 21:42:40 <Furre> summatusmentis, is there a logical reason for having a swapfile on the SD card to take up space on the /?
May 21 21:43:34 <summatusmentis> Furre: no, I'm just dumb :-P
May 21 21:44:02 <Furre> O.o, but dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=32 <- makes it on the SD card?
May 21 21:44:12 <koen> to /
May 21 21:44:18 <koen> dunno where you card is mounted
May 21 21:44:31 <Furre> oh, but wanted it on the SD thought, dont want to spend even more space on the / for swap :
May 21 21:45:44 <summatusmentis> Furre: rm /swapfile
May 21 21:45:50 <summatusmentis> mount /mnt/card
May 21 21:46:15 <summatusmentis> dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/card/swapfile bs=<size> count=32
May 21 21:46:23 <summatusmentis> that'll make it on the sd card
May 21 21:46:43 <summatusmentis> or I suppose you could 'mv /swapfile /mnt/card' after you mount it
May 21 21:47:42 <Furre> how can one be sure the /mnt/card means the SD card?
May 21 21:50:36 <summatusmentis> because that's the way it's setup in /etc/fstab "dev/mmcblk0pl   /media/card   auto   defaults,sync,noato 0"
May 21 21:51:25 <Furre> ah, so when using mnt/card, its always SD? if one would be using a CF, what would it be then? sorry if im asking too much, just want to learn ^^
May 21 21:53:02 <summatusmentis> no problem
May 21 21:53:05 <summatusmentis> CF is /mnt/cf
May 21 21:53:40 <Furre> aah, so SD is just named card? :)
May 21 21:53:53 <summatusmentis> yeah, essentially, 
May 21 21:54:21 <summatusmentis> I assume you've figured this out, mounting gives the ability to access the device
May 21 21:54:30 <Furre> alright :), and yes hehe :)
May 21 21:54:45 <Furre> Hmm, will 128mb be enough for a swap, or is it too little?
May 21 21:54:56 <summatusmentis> so you setup a mountpoint(in /etc/fstab) which will be the same, and that's where you access the contents of the device
May 21 21:55:08 <Furre> alright, thanks :>
May 21 21:55:09 <summatusmentis> I would say 128MB would be fine, but that's just me
May 21 21:55:21 <Furre> alright, maybe Ill take 192mb jsut to be sure ^^
May 21 21:55:33 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home also has an akita, you could check w/ him
May 21 21:55:41 <Furre> ah :)
May 21 21:55:51 * Furre nudges CoreDump|home to see if he's still here :)
May 21 21:56:07 * CoreDump|home is here but the akita is not
May 21 21:56:10 <CoreDump|home> ;)
May 21 21:56:15 <summatusmentis> I just setup a 256MB swap on my 6GB microdrive, so...
May 21 21:56:18 <Furre> hehe, dont got an akita?
May 21 21:56:29 <Furre> ah okk, Ill take 192mb :)
May 21 21:56:35 <CoreDump|home> well, I got one, but I don't have it here
May 21 21:56:51 <summatusmentis> any chance you remember what size swap you setup?
May 21 21:57:01 * CoreDump|home never had to use swap on Akita
May 21 21:57:13 <Furre> :)
May 21 21:57:39 <Furre> its doing something now atleast ^^
May 21 21:58:04 <Furre> "192+0 records in" "192+0 records out" <- should it say that?
May 21 21:58:53 <summatusmentis> yep, that means it setup the swap
May 21 21:59:27 <koen> it setup us the bomb
May 21 21:59:36 <Furre> alright, thanks :), also, is it difficult to install packages to the SD card isntead of / ?
May 21 21:59:45 <Furre> gah! a bee went into my computer @.@
May 21 21:59:54 <Furre> and now it went into a fan o.o
May 21 22:01:37 <CoreDump|home> koen: I see that you've used alsa-state in task-base. Three problems: a) it currently only has one state file for neo b) The OM folks created a with an identical name w/ probably the same function. 3) zaurusd has been used for all Z to install working state files until now
May 21 22:02:04 <Furre> when isntalling a package to the SD card isntead, is it jsut an extra command line to the ipkg install one?
May 21 22:02:19 <koen> CoreDump|home: can we patch zaurusd?
May 21 22:02:35 <summatusmentis> Furre: well, yes, or you can setup the default to be sd in ipkg.conf
May 21 22:02:37 <CoreDump|home> I tend to ditch the zaurusd functionality and create a collection of machine state-files in alsa-state
May 21 22:02:48 <CoreDump|home> koen: yeah
May 21 22:02:59 <koen> CoreDump|home: and the openmoko svn tree will probably never get merged, so we can ignore those hacks
May 21 22:03:03 * summatusmentis brb
May 21 22:03:07 <koen> (the sad truth)
May 21 22:03:08 <CoreDump|home> heh right
May 21 22:03:48 * koen can make calls now with angstrom-x11-image on his neo without having to wait 10 minutes for the eyecandy 
May 21 22:03:51 <Furre> summatusmentis, how would I open the ipkg.conf file? and yes, I once again apologize for beeing an annoying newbie :x
May 21 22:05:41 <summatusmentis> Furre: no worries, you might want to read up on using vi first
May 21 22:05:46 <summatusmentis> or install nano
May 21 22:06:05 <Furre> nano is a texteditor too?
May 21 22:06:28 <Furre> and hmm, actually I think I used vi in school a few years ago, cant remember it t hought :/
May 21 22:07:45 <summatusmentis> right, nano is easier for newbies(no offense), vi has a bit of a learning curve
May 21 22:08:28 <Furre> haha thats fine, but is nano small? dont want to install big apps on the /, did that before and had to reflash the Z again to get rid of everthing :)
May 21 22:09:44 <summatusmentis> yeah, pretty small, I'm not sure how small, but yeah, should be ok
May 21 22:10:02 <Furre> alright :)
May 21 22:10:12 <summatusmentis> save for emacs, you won't find a huge text editor
May 21 22:10:19 * Furre does the igpk update
May 21 22:10:27 <Furre> ipkg*
May 21 22:10:43 <clearer> vi for the win :-)
May 21 22:11:04 <Furre> but hmm, is it much to change in the file summatusmentis?
May 21 22:11:16 <summatusmentis> clearer: vim > vi
May 21 22:11:17 <Furre> cause if I just need to use vi once maybe it shouldnt take long?
May 21 22:11:19 <summatusmentis> Furre: no, not really
May 21 22:11:35 <Furre> updating the ipkg takes forever here :x
May 21 22:11:44 <summatusmentis> I guess you could try it, but I'd still suggest nano
May 21 22:11:50 <summatusmentis> also, you don't need to update everytime
May 21 22:12:17 <Furre> ah, well, hmm, Ill give it a try, maybe Ill remember howto do ^^
May 21 22:12:24 <Furre> vi ipkg.conf ?
May 21 22:12:46 <Furre> that sure didnt work!
May 21 22:13:15 <clearer> bloddy "all sorts of nasty words that the moms of little kiddies don't like me to spell out for you".
May 21 22:13:51 <summatusmentis> Furre: vi /etc/ipkg.conf
May 21 22:13:58 <summatusmentis> sorry, all config files are in /etc
May 21 22:14:04 <Furre> oh ^^
May 21 22:14:14 <Furre> oh no, that means I made a new file? :x
May 21 22:14:31 <Furre> "ipkg.conf 1/1 100%" it said :x
May 21 22:14:48 <summatusmentis> hold on
May 21 22:15:01 <Furre> with out the /etc/ that s
May 21 22:16:03 <summatusmentis> oh, yeah, ':q'
May 21 22:16:08 <summatusmentis> minus the quotes
May 21 22:16:21 <Furre> what does that do?
May 21 22:16:29 <summatusmentis> quits w/out saving
May 21 22:16:51 <Furre> oh, I was still in there? o.o
May 21 22:17:15 <summatusmentis> right? 
May 21 22:17:23 <Furre> I thinks o hehe, let me try how it should be now
May 21 22:17:56 <Furre> that worked alot better :)
May 21 22:18:01 <clearer> I'm giving up on building an image for my pda now. If anyone has the guts to build an angstrom image for a ipaq h3800 -- preferably a GPE image, but I'm not picky -- I hereby offer my body and soul (and hardware) for testing. I have lots of peripheral hardware too, among that are jackets with all sorts of gimmicks and gadgets (801.11b over pcmcia, cf reader over pcmcia, bluetooth over pcmcia, a flyjacket, bluetooth builtin (it's
May 21 22:18:45 <summatusmentis> Furre: there should be a line that says 'dest root /'
May 21 22:19:09 <Furre> aah yes, see it ^^
May 21 22:19:16 <summatusmentis> above it, type i(for insert) then 'dest sd /media/card/'
May 21 22:19:19 <summatusmentis> then hit esc
May 21 22:19:34 <summatusmentis> or the circular 'x'(cancel) button
May 21 22:20:02 <Furre> oh, but there is already one "dest sd /media/card/packages/ underneath
May 21 22:20:25 <summatusmentis> ok, then forget what I said, and go to that line
May 21 22:20:36 <Furre> alright
May 21 22:20:54 <summatusmentis> type 'dd'(no insert) on that line, and it should disappear
May 21 22:21:10 <Furre> it did :)
May 21 22:21:27 <summatusmentis> no go to the top line on that section (probably dest root /)
May 21 22:21:41 <Furre> im there
May 21 22:21:48 <summatusmentis> hit p(no insert)
May 21 22:22:06 <Furre> now the SD came underneath the root
May 21 22:22:23 <Furre> does it install to the one that is ontop of the others?
May 21 22:22:27 <summatusmentis> crap, I always screw that up :-) ok, dd the SD
May 21 22:22:39 <summatusmentis> then go to the line above root, and p it
May 21 22:22:41 <Furre> hehe thats fine, I fixed it so its ontop now
May 21 22:22:46 <summatusmentis> yeah, it takes the first one
May 21 22:22:50 <Furre> okk ^^
May 21 22:23:02 <Furre> I remember saving it was a bit of a trouble, how did one do it again? ._.
May 21 22:23:03 <summatusmentis> now anything you install will be installed to /media/card/packages
May 21 22:23:24 <summatusmentis> saving, ':wq'
May 21 22:23:53 <summatusmentis> for 'write-quit'
May 21 22:24:13 <Furre> ok, done ^^
May 21 22:24:35 <Furre> so, everythig installed now will go there automaticly?
May 21 22:26:18 <summatusmentis> yes, the only thiing is you'll need to run ipkg-link mount <mountpoint> to make it so the / recognizes you have those installed
May 21 22:26:53 <Furre> hmm, what should the mountpoint be again? o.o
May 21 22:27:16 <summatusmentis>  /media/card/packages
May 21 22:27:37 <Furre> do I have to do that each time I install something, or just once?
May 21 22:28:30 <summatusmentis> everytime you install something, the one downside to installing to sd
May 21 22:28:42 <summatusmentis> hey, I've gotta head out, sorry
May 21 22:28:53 <summatusmentis> you should definitely google for intro linux docs
May 21 22:28:58 <Furre> hehe thats fine, thanks!
May 21 22:29:14 <Furre> oh, other linux uses the same thing iwth ipkg packages?
May 21 22:31:10 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: the sound problem should be fixed in future builds. for now you can just "cp /etc/zaurusd/alsa/cxx00* /etc/asound.state ; alsactl restore"
May 21 23:46:36 <CoreDump|afk> Angstrom-hentges-console-image-1.9+WIP-20070521-spitz.rootfs.jffs2 =)
May 22 00:17:08 <Zero_Chaos> someone be a pal and commit my reciepes? 2356 and 2357
May 22 00:17:09 <Zero_Chaos> all set and ready for commit
May 22 01:24:48 <clearer> damn.. don't ever make me write another report on neural networks -- ever.
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