**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 22 02:59:56 2007
May 22 03:09:43 <summatusmentis> clearer: neural networks? interesting
May 22 03:10:23 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: that copy and paste procedure to fix alsa, that's after an upgrade right?
May 22 03:29:27 <summatusmentis> is anyone around?
May 22 03:44:50 <CoreDump|afk> that is _before_ an upgrade
May 22 03:45:18 <summatusmentis> oh... erm.... ok
May 22 03:45:20 <summatusmentis> crap
May 22 03:46:13 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|afk: hey buddy, want to be my commit friend? *wink wink*
May 22 03:46:52 <CoreDump|afk> Zero_Chaos: gotta run to work =\
May 22 03:47:04 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|afk: have a good day then
May 22 03:48:02 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: any chance you want to email me your working asound.state? I've got a speaker working, headphones, there's a whine
May 22 03:48:13 <Zero_Chaos> summatusmentis: it in monotone now
May 22 03:48:55 <summatusmentis> Zero_Chaos: I need to resetup OE, haven't done that yet
May 22 04:54:08 <Furre> anyone awake?
May 22 04:56:25 <clearer> I'm awake
May 22 04:56:47 <clearer> barely
May 22 04:58:13 <Furre> was wondering if someone knew why ipkg update wont work after I changed the path for the packages to be installed onto the SD card
May 22 04:58:34 <clearer> excellent question...
May 22 05:01:17 <Furre> it just say its downloading package.gz, and then it dont do anything more, no network activity or anything :/
May 22 05:05:02 <Furre> Also, when doing a NAND check, is it says "Bad Block Num = 2" on the C700 I got two days ago, that means its faulty right?
May 22 05:17:28 <clearer> I wouldn't know really.. I don't know anything about the C700 or the error message at all.. I can't even get an image for my device built :-(
May 22 05:18:18 <Furre> awr :/
May 22 06:00:41 <Furre> Hmm, how come "ipkg-link mount /media/card/packages" dont work? getting this error "-sh: ipkg-link: not found"
May 22 07:11:19 <Furre> gah, Z keeps failing ._.
May 22 09:49:27 <Furre> "ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: 'wget --passive-ftp  "what does that mean when trying to install a package?
May 22 10:40:26 <Furre> hmm, is it supposed to take over ha,lf an hour for the Z to download the package for minimo? D:
May 22 11:55:23 * Furre tries reinstalling Ångström for the 3rd time today :x
May 22 12:11:47 <Furre> the Z freezes when I use "modprobe ohci-hcd" and then "modprobe g-ether" anyone know of this problem?
May 22 12:13:28 <koen> yes, you can't load them at the same time
May 22 12:13:35 <koen> altough it shouldn't freeze
May 22 12:17:12 <Furre> heh, also another wierd thing is that when I reboot it, Ångströmw ill stop loading so I have to take out the battery :/
May 22 12:19:14 <Furre> and of some reason, cant get it to install packages either, it just freezes when trying to download them via the wifi
May 22 12:19:32 <Furre> was going to try getting the USB working, it did once, and now its not working anymore again :x
May 22 12:22:57 <Furre> ah, now windows finds the device again :)
May 22 12:29:24 <Furre> now it stopped again by itself x.x
May 22 12:30:02 <Furre> said cable wasnt connected, and then the connection went away
May 22 12:34:13 <Furre> cant put the Z to sleep, says it cant stop "modprobe" and "gpe-conf"
May 22 13:33:58 <Furrre> got the Z to stop freezing now atleast, appeared to have been some kind of problem in windows, but Im trying to install minimo now, and its been taking half an hour for it to download the files, is that normal? o.o
May 22 13:37:32 <Furrre> are actuallu all files needed for minimo? its downloading somethin called libstdc++ now o.o
May 22 13:41:04 <summatusmentis2> it probably needs that, I'm not exactly sure, but yeah
May 22 13:45:49 <Furrre> ah :x
May 22 13:46:00 <Furrre> hmm, been on the same file now for 11min
May 22 13:46:08 <Furrre> hah now that Im writing it started working again xD
May 22 13:46:17 <Furrre> thought it had frozen, again ^^
May 22 13:47:48 <Furrre> saying "configuring ttf-dejavu-sans" now, guess Ill leave it alone for a while longer :)
May 22 13:49:23 <summatusmentis> it can be slow
May 22 13:50:22 <Furrre> cool, it says its done ^^
May 22 13:50:32 <Furrre> oh btw summatusmentis, that ipkg-link command isnt working :/
May 22 13:50:39 <summatusmentis> is it there?
May 22 13:50:44 <summatusmentis> run ipkg-link
May 22 13:50:49 <summatusmentis> just that
May 22 13:51:00 <Furrre> not found
May 22 13:51:09 <koen> ipkg-link is not supported in angstrom
May 22 13:51:12 <lardman> you need to be root with "su -"
May 22 13:51:14 <koen> it is just too broken
May 22 13:51:15 <lardman> oh
May 22 13:51:29 <summatusmentis> koen: so is there another way to install to sd?
May 22 13:51:31 <Furrre> :x, so I cant run things from an SD card? o.o
May 22 13:51:32 * lardman goes back to sleep :)
May 22 13:52:01 * Furrre gives lardman an extra pillow ^^
May 22 13:52:56 <Furrre> so I have to install things to the internal flash then? :/
May 22 13:53:17 <summatusmentis> Furrre: no, I don't think so, it might be a matter of changing a variable
May 22 13:53:34 <summatusmentis> koen: he'll just need the sd card path added to $PATH right?
May 22 13:53:47 <koen> no
May 22 13:54:09 <summatusmentis> koen: no... so there's nothing he can do?
May 22 13:54:22 <koen> if you want to install stuff to sd, you'll have to boot from sd
May 22 13:54:42 <Furrre> is that difficult to do?
May 22 13:54:45 <summatusmentis> hrm...
May 22 13:55:02 <summatusmentis> Furrre: I'm sorry, I led you through this whole thing, thinking ipkg-link worked
May 22 13:55:15 <Furrre> ah, nothing to worry about ^^
May 22 13:55:20 <summatusmentis> Furrre: it's not difficult, but you'll endup reinstalling all your packages, and everything
May 22 13:55:36 <Furrre> heh, Ive done that 3 times today, had to reflash the entire thing xD
May 22 13:55:45 <summatusmentis> lol, oh
May 22 13:56:03 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: does altboot handle SD?
May 22 13:56:56 <Furrre> atleast now I wont forget the ipkg command, have had to type it like atleast 100times today ;)
May 22 13:59:21 <summatusmentis> Furrre: yeah.... this might be more difficult than i had previously thought...
May 22 14:02:25 <Furrre> ah, is installling altboot that difficult? :x
May 22 14:03:30 <summatusmentis> Furrre: no, but I'm not sure it completely supports booting from SD yet
May 22 14:03:46 <Furrre> oh :/
May 22 14:03:56 <Furre> will it be difficult to give it a try?
May 22 14:05:51 <koen> Furre: you'd have to wait for CoreDump|afk to come online
May 22 14:05:56 <koen> he's the author of altboot
May 22 14:06:06 <Furre> aah :x
May 22 14:06:46 <koen> it used to be a matter of 'ipkg install altboot'
May 22 14:07:12 <Furre> Ill give it a try, probably going to ahve to redo the whole thing again anyway ^^
May 22 14:07:55 <Furre> and do yours CF-wifi card gets hot? I can barely touch mine after pulling it out :x
May 22 14:10:32 <Furre> "couldnt find package altboot."
May 22 14:15:32 <summatusmentis> Furre: it's not in the repo, and my card get's warm, not hot
May 22 14:17:21 <Furre> ah, guess Ive found muself a real powerconsumer-one then :x
May 22 14:17:44 <summatusmentis> what?
May 22 14:17:49 <summatusmentis> oh, wifi card, maybe
May 22 14:17:52 <Furre> the wifi hehe :)
May 22 14:17:59 <Furre> goes burning hot :/
May 22 14:21:37 <Furre> going to give OpenZaurus a go till CoreDump|afk comes here :)
May 22 14:24:00 <Furre> ooohh, OZ had altboot o.o
May 22 14:24:10 <Furre> will I be able to use that one that comes with it? :)
May 22 14:24:43 <Furre> oh, CoreDump|home is here? ^^
May 22 14:24:53 <CoreDump|home> hey
May 22 14:24:59 <Furre> hello ^^
May 22 14:25:07 <koen> there he is :)
May 22 14:25:55 <Furre> CoreDump|home, is altboot difficult to get working on the Z, so I can boot Ångström from the SD card isntead? (since ipkg-link obviously isnt working :)
May 22 14:26:43 <CoreDump|home> which which Z?
May 22 14:26:48 <Furre> C1000
May 22 14:27:11 <CoreDump|home> nope, not w/ angstrom at this time
May 22 14:27:42 <Furre> ah, but I just installed OZ to give it a try, and it had altboot, but Ångström wont work with that anyway? :/
May 22 14:28:30 <CoreDump|home> nope
May 22 14:29:03 <Furre> ah, so there is no way to have packages installed to the SD card and run them from there? :/
May 22 14:29:28 <summatusmentis> Furre: you could use OZ
May 22 14:29:58 <CoreDump|home> Furre: no simple one no
May 22 14:31:11 <Furre> ah :/, cant run ångström then, cant even install one progrma before it complains about the memory :/
May 22 14:31:46 <koen> doesn't the c1000 have 128MB flash?
May 22 14:32:17 <Furre> it does, and ~30mb of it was tken from start, then when I tried to install minimo, it ran out of space :/
May 22 14:32:41 <koen> minimo shouldn't take 90MB compressed.....
May 22 14:33:19 <Furre> oh, nono, half is occopied, ack, sorry, was thinking about the C700
May 22 14:33:36 <koen> so why do you want to install to SD?
May 22 14:33:42 <koen> space enough on flash on the c1000
May 22 14:34:05 <Furre> koen, cause I tried to install it and it complained aobut the memory, internal memory was filled :/
May 22 14:36:12 <Furre> but hmm, should minimo, abiword, apache be able to be installed in ~60mb?
May 22 14:37:43 <hyakuhei> Hey all I'm just about to buy yet again another Zaurus, Then I hope to be able to help out with angstrom
May 22 14:39:23 <hyakuhei> This will be my third Z though I've never had more than one at a time! Its also the first time I will have bought hardware to help out with development :-) 
May 22 14:42:11 * CoreDump|home welcomes hyakuhei 
May 22 14:43:41 <hyakuhei> :-) Thanks
May 22 14:43:52 <hyakuhei> Afterall I need something to do during the summer
May 22 14:46:19 <CoreDump|home> embedded hacking can be quite addictive =)
May 22 14:46:51 <Furre> also if theres anyway I can help, even if its jsut testing something on the C1000, let me know ^^
May 22 14:47:23 <Furre> or well, wait a week till I get a CF card so I can do a backup first ^^
May 22 14:51:07 <Furre> also a wierd thing, at that base-setup meny the Z got built in, I was able to actually test the microdrive, and it passed, but then it stopps spinning agian, only appears to work to test it, not actually have it start spinning when inserted anywhere else :x
May 22 14:51:16 <hyakuhei> CoreDump|home: Yeah, I do some work with embedded hardware and FPGA's at the moment. Its very different to the sort of stuff I'd be looking at with angstrom though.
May 22 14:52:17 <hyakuhei> I'm also hoping to make a Z the hub for my sunSpot based swarm intelligence security thinger which is part of my dissertation (or will be at least) I still have to convince sun to give me some more sunSpots
May 22 14:53:56 <CoreDump|home> =D
May 22 14:54:29 <hyakuhei> And I'll most likely need a more powerful Z. Still, one thing at a time :-D
May 22 14:54:34 <Furre> oh, one thing, when testing the C700's Nand, it said there were 2 bad blocks, does that mean its faulty?
May 22 14:55:24 * summatusmentis leaves
May 22 14:55:37 <hyakuhei> Its certainly not a good thing :-S
May 22 14:55:55 <Furre> was what I thought, going to email the seller agian x.x
May 22 14:56:15 <hyakuhei> ebay job?
May 22 14:56:29 <Furre> yes :x
May 22 14:56:33 <hyakuhei> Ah righto
May 22 14:56:39 <Furre> seller said it was in mint condition <.<
May 22 14:57:06 <Furre> havnt tested the C1000 yet I got from pricejapan thought since I dont have a CF card yet to take a NAND backup with
May 22 14:57:18 <hyakuhei> Well, It can be in mint condition and still have a tiny fault in the nand. TBH I think the controller will handle it fine. It is perhaps possible that many ship like this?
May 22 14:57:48 <Furre> hyakuhei, well, it was a scratch on the screen too, and other things :x, meh
May 22 14:59:23 <hyakuhei> oh
May 22 14:59:25 <hyakuhei> bugger
May 22 14:59:39 <hyakuhei> In between other jobs I'm also an ebay killer for hire
May 22 15:00:13 <Furre> hehe
May 22 15:00:30 <hyakuhei> I'd not seen pricejapan before
May 22 15:00:40 <hyakuhei> I'm browsing it now. It seems pretty cool
May 22 15:01:03 <Furre> yeah, everything but their stated shippingtime is fine :)
May 22 15:01:11 <hyakuhei> hehe
May 22 15:01:36 <CoreDump|home> ~paise trisoft
May 22 15:02:13 * CoreDump|home is prepping a bad-ass image for spitz
May 22 15:02:34 <Furre> gah, installed OZ and im connected to the Accesspoint, but still cant use the web browser, any idea? o.o
May 22 15:03:19 <hyakuhei> Define "connected"
May 22 15:03:30 <hyakuhei> Do you have IP/DNS/Gateway info?
May 22 15:04:07 <Furre> I do, atleast according to the Z
May 22 15:04:35 <Furre> but hmm, it says eth0, instead of wlan0 o.o
May 22 15:05:26 <Furre> can ping the router aswell
May 22 15:05:53 <Furre> and now its working, probably windows then x.x
May 22 15:06:19 <hyakuhei> can you ping an external IP?
May 22 15:06:35 <Furre> yes, its working fine now, its probably my stationary computer that was the problem
May 22 15:06:38 <hyakuhei> s/external/real world/
May 22 15:07:47 <Furre> yay, OZ had the ipkg-link command atleast ^^
May 22 15:08:06 <Furre> now, lets see if what summatusmentis said before will work here isntead ^^
May 22 15:10:03 <Furre> liked ångström better but when it get ipkg-link Ill probably use it as the main rom :)
May 22 15:11:08 <CoreDump|home> Furre: ipkg-link should be in the feeds. It's a pretty basic command
May 22 15:11:55 <Furre> I was told a few minutes ago it wasnt working :x
May 22 15:12:06 <Furre> thats the reason I just installed OZ ._.
May 22 15:12:10 <koen> ipkg-link is broken and therefore not in the feeds
May 22 15:12:36 * Furre tries to put bandaids on the ipkg-link
May 22 15:15:02 <Furre> also, a random question: why is the feeds on OZ alot faster than on the Ångström at the moment? (trying to figure what it depends on :)
May 22 15:17:49 <koen> Furre: the angstrom feeds are *a lot* faster, once you installed the latest ipkg
May 22 15:18:17 <koen> right now the oz feeds are faster because they contain a fraction of what the angstrom feeds contain
May 22 15:18:39 * CoreDump|home raises an eyebrow
May 22 15:19:20 * hyakuhei raises a small banana
May 22 15:20:36 <Furre> ah, well I ment downloading in general :x
May 22 15:21:01 <Furre> appeared to be alot faster from OZ, but maybe thats just my ISP, theres never a day where I dont got problems with it @.@
May 22 15:22:15 <Furre> wopps! writing ipkg list wasnt a good idea ^^
May 22 15:36:59 <CoreDump|home> NOTE: package firefox-1.0.7-r0: task do_compile: started   
May 22 15:37:04 <CoreDump|home> *yawn*
May 22 15:39:50 <hyakuhei> eurgh! 
May 22 15:41:57 <hyakuhei> Erm, just in case someone is bidding on ebay for a 5500 ending in the next few hours, please dont :-P I want it and it would suck to get in a bidding war with another open source dude
May 22 15:51:18 <hrw> morning
May 22 15:51:22 <hrw> hyakuhei: zaurus sl-5500?
May 22 15:57:43 <hyakuhei> yeah
May 22 15:57:46 <hyakuhei> morning hrw 
May 22 15:57:57 <hyakuhei> well, late afternoon here ;-)
May 22 15:58:14 <hrw> ;)
May 22 15:58:17 <hrw> 18:08 here
May 22 15:58:31 <hrw> hyakuhei: how much for that sl5500?
May 22 15:58:47 <hyakuhei> At the moment, its _very_ low as its been badly listed
May 22 15:59:01 <hyakuhei> 17:58 here ;-)
May 22 15:59:31 <hrw> less then 50 eur?
May 22 16:00:00 <hyakuhei> for the moment yes
May 22 16:00:14 <hrw> I would not pay more then 50-100 eur for it
May 22 16:00:29 <hyakuhei> Yeah, I wont, thanks for the details though
May 22 16:00:30 <hrw> if you want good pda then consider ipaq h2210
May 22 16:00:43 <hyakuhei> Ideally I want something a bit higher spec
May 22 16:01:03 <hrw> then h2210 will be better then sl5500
May 22 16:01:17 <hrw> faster cpu, more storage, bt, better screen
May 22 16:01:28 <hrw> lack keyboard but rest are better
May 22 16:01:44 <hyakuhei> Heh yeah, I like the kb though
May 22 16:01:52 <hyakuhei> ah well, I'll keep it in mind :-)
May 22 16:02:04 <hyakuhei> I'm going to see what I can get the 5500 for at the moment
May 22 16:02:35 <hyakuhei> the h2210 is flashable I take it?
May 22 16:02:53 <hrw> h2210 is flashable
May 22 16:03:27 <hyakuhei> Ah well, I'll have to see what price this 5500 goes for then :-)
May 22 16:04:03 <hyakuhei> I always liked the 5500, though its not a great PDA really hehe
May 22 16:04:13 <hyakuhei> Linux in your pocket is always worth having :-)
May 22 16:05:59 <hyakuhei> I'll have to dig out my old PDA applications again :-)
May 22 16:13:53 <Furre> ah, yer right, OZ feeds were slower :x
May 22 16:14:09 <Furre> started on getting abiword efore leaving for dinner, and its still downloading ^^
May 22 16:21:43 <hyakuhei> damned OZ :-P
May 22 16:22:03 <Furre> aye :)
May 22 16:52:01 <CoreDump|home> -rw-r--r-- 1 mhentges mhentges 119M May 22 16:49 hentges-x11-image.rootfs.tar
May 22 16:52:05 <CoreDump|home> holy cow
May 22 16:56:25 <koen> make it a tar.gz :)
May 22 16:57:04 <CoreDump|home> heh right
May 22 17:05:43 <hyakuhei> wee, I won the 5500 :-)
May 22 17:07:59 <Furre> how come a ipk file on 6.5mb take so far 25min to download on the Z? is there something Ive done wrong?
May 22 18:27:59 <CoreDump|home> XSERVER ?= "xserver-kdrive-fbdev" <- Isn't that a MACHINE thing and would better be placed in machine.conf instead of angstrom-x11-image.bb?
May 22 18:29:58 <koen> yes, but some machines don't have that define
May 22 18:30:14 <koen> and OE freaks out if that's var isn't set
May 22 18:30:20 <koen> it's a fail-safe
May 22 18:33:27 <CoreDump|home> i see
May 22 18:36:15 <CoreDump|home> hrm firefox segfaults
May 22 18:37:50 <hyakuhei> A fundamental truth
May 22 20:51:02 <Freak_NL> 'evening
May 22 20:51:28 <Freak_NL> Say, what is the simplest GTK2 text-editor available in Ångström?
May 22 20:54:07 <Freak_NL> Ah.. gpe-edit of course.. should've looked harder
May 22 21:29:10 <summatusmentis> Furre: did you ever get anything working for you?
May 22 21:39:52 <Furre> nope :/
May 22 21:40:13 <Furre> of some reason, OpenZaurus wont allow me to install packages at all :x
May 22 21:40:43 <Laibsch> Furre: For OZ stuff, please got to #openzaurus
May 22 21:40:49 <Laibsch> go to
May 22 21:41:32 <Furre> I know, was just saying that I didnt get it to work on that either
May 22 21:47:29 <Freak_NL> How does A handle fonts?
May 22 21:47:43 <Freak_NL> I can't seem to convince it to accept more fonts
May 22 21:50:41 <Freak_NL> the recipes for DejaVu don't seem to do anything special besides copying files to /usr/share/fonts/truetype
May 22 22:35:21 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: Do I remember correctly that you were interested in Japanese?
May 22 22:36:22 <Freak_NL> Yes
May 22 22:36:45 <Freak_NL> I can read/write/speak at an intermediate level
May 22 22:45:51 <Freak_NL> hmm.. where are my locales? I installed four glibc-localedata pkgs
May 22 22:46:54 <Freak_NL> ah.. it didn't md5sum mismatch
May 22 22:48:22 <Freak_NL> can I force ipkg to install packages? I have localedata built on my own computer
May 22 22:55:08 <Freak_NL> ah that's why.. how come some packages don't show up in the feedbrowser?
May 22 22:57:14 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: Why?
May 22 22:57:39 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: It still is far from perfect, but maybe you are interested in contributing to http://gakusei.sf.net
May 22 22:57:59 <Laibsch> I try to create a platform and community for gaijin who learn Japanese.
May 22 22:58:11 <Freak_NL> I think I ran into the site before, I'll keep it in mind
May 22 22:58:12 <Laibsch> I use my Zaurus as a reference and learning tool
May 22 22:58:26 <Freak_NL> I'm aiming to use my Z as wordtank
May 22 22:58:32 <Laibsch> If that is what you are interested in, it might be for you
May 22 22:58:52 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: Would be nice if you did more than just "keep it in mind"
May 22 22:58:55 <Freak_NL> I'll probably attempt to build SCIM sometime next week
May 22 22:59:14 <Freak_NL> and Stardict and Tomoe
May 22 22:59:20 <Laibsch> I know the site is "a mess" but I am also looking for input from others on what this should be about
May 22 22:59:41 <Laibsch> Tomoe not in OE?
May 22 22:59:57 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: You are aware of the CJK meta-bug?
May 22 23:00:13 <Freak_NL> ah it is
May 22 23:00:13 <Laibsch> Any kind of contribution that focuses efforts very much appreciated
May 22 23:00:38 <Laibsch> I am not sure it actually works but I kind of remembered I added it to OE
May 22 23:02:03 <Freak_NL> would be nice if SCIM could be persuaded to work
May 22 23:02:33 <Laibsch> Want to cooperate on that?
May 22 23:02:44 <Freak_NL> SCIM + Tomoe + Stardict = very basic portable wordtank
May 22 23:02:57 <Laibsch> I never used SCIM before but I know a bit about OE and have RW access
May 22 23:03:22 <Freak_NL> SCIM is probably the best approach for CJK languages
May 22 23:03:25 <Laibsch> I think of the Z as much more than a wordtank.  I think it surpasses it as a denshi jisho
May 22 23:03:35 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: How about uim?
May 22 23:03:48 <Freak_NL> easy to switch between languages with SCIM, and integration with Tomoe
May 22 23:04:15 <Laibsch> Never used either
May 22 23:04:18 <Freak_NL> I've used UIM for a long time as well, but SCIM seems to work better
May 22 23:04:22 <Laibsch> This is a keyboard based input?
May 22 23:04:41 <Laibsch> Does scim use GTK or QT?
May 22 23:04:45 <Freak_NL> SCIM is an input framework
May 22 23:04:55 <Freak_NL> GTK and I think QT too
May 22 23:05:07 <Laibsch> Yes, but AFAIK uim was heavier on the GTK side
May 22 23:05:13 <Laibsch> But I never looked much into it
May 22 23:05:15 <Freak_NL> http://www.scim-im.org/
May 22 23:05:51 <Freak_NL> I have my desktop set up to switch between Japanese, Korean and normal input
May 22 23:06:40 <Laibsch> Does scim provide an input method itself or is it a wrapper?
May 22 23:07:03 <Laibsch> Do you compile with OE yourself?
May 22 23:07:12 <Freak_NL> The basic keyboard input overrides the GTK+ input
May 22 23:07:45 <Freak_NL> I have managed to set up an OE environment, my 3200 runs a homebuild x11-image :)
May 22 23:07:57 <Laibsch> Great
May 22 23:07:58 <Freak_NL> I was toying with psplash a bit, that seems to work
May 22 23:08:19 <Laibsch> Do you generally understand the bb files or is that something new to you?
May 22 23:08:27 <Freak_NL> What do you use for Japanese input on the desktop?
May 22 23:08:39 <Freak_NL> bb is new, but I'm used to Gentoo's Portage
May 22 23:08:48 <Freak_NL> very similar it seems
May 22 23:09:02 <Laibsch> I use anthy
May 22 23:09:21 <Freak_NL> So do I :) through SCIM
May 22 23:10:03 <Freak_NL> I started using SCIM to switch to Korean more easily
May 22 23:10:51 <Laibsch> To be honest, I am pretty overwhelmed by all the different methods and what they do and don't do.
May 22 23:11:00 <Laibsch> It is not easy to have a clear picture.
May 22 23:11:13 <Freak_NL> true
May 22 23:12:25 <Freak_NL> I work on getting my Z able to input and use Japanese when I can, but for the coming month I'm pressed for time due to my bachelor research..
May 22 23:13:13 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: We do have nunome and poboxserver
May 22 23:13:23 <Freak_NL> poboxserver?
May 22 23:13:31 <Laibsch> So you do have both keyboard and HWR
May 22 23:13:40 <Laibsch> qpobox/poboxserver
May 22 23:13:49 <Laibsch> Both on opie only currently
May 22 23:14:01 <Laibsch> But you can run  opie and X at the same time
May 22 23:14:25 <Laibsch> poboxserver is a keyboard input method.
May 22 23:14:41 <Laibsch> It was the first I got to compile and actually work so it is in OE ;-)
May 22 23:14:50 <Freak_NL> Nice :)
May 22 23:15:08 <Laibsch> Well, I believe most of the work was done by mickeyl
May 22 23:15:34 <Laibsch> I am not computer illiterate but I am not too knowledgeable about compilers
May 22 23:15:45 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: You should check gakusei.sf.net more often
May 22 23:15:47 <Laibsch> ;-)
May 22 23:15:54 <Laibsch> It even has screenshots from my collie
May 22 23:16:19 <dcordes> http://gakusei.sf.net
May 22 23:16:25 <dcordes> http://gakusei.sf.net
May 22 23:17:04 <Laibsch> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=141800
May 22 23:17:16 <Laibsch> dcordes: You are interested in Japanese, too?
May 22 23:17:30 <dcordes> 01:00 < Laibsch> I am not sure it actually works but I kind of remembered I added it to OE
May 22 23:17:41 <Freak_NL> bot
May 22 23:18:14 <Freak_NL> ah, zten
May 22 23:18:23 <Laibsch> Sure, in OE as well
May 22 23:19:19 <Laibsch> jards and granule might be interesting for you as well
May 22 23:19:27 <Laibsch> dcordes is a bot?
May 22 23:19:30 <dcordes> I accidently pasted that stuff. I'm a bit interested in making the Zaurus a word tank
May 22 23:19:35 <Freak_NL> I use granule for my Korean vocab
May 22 23:19:46 <Laibsch> On the Z?
May 22 23:19:58 <Laibsch> dcordes: That is what I always used the Z for
May 22 23:20:05 <Freak_NL> dcordes: sorry :) you replied just like a bot automatically repeating url's
May 22 23:20:15 <Freak_NL> <-- silly me
May 22 23:20:39 <Laibsch> You guys should seriously consider joining gakusei.sf.net so we get the community off the ground and have an overview who is interested in that stuff and available as a tester
May 22 23:20:54 <dcordes> Freak_NL: I would like to blame putty but I shouldn't mark things while reading
May 22 23:21:14 <dcordes> Are there any dictionaries in the repo right now?
May 22 23:21:16 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: granule on the Z or the desktop?
May 22 23:21:21 <Freak_NL> desktop
May 22 23:21:30 <Laibsch> dcordes: No, why should they?
May 22 23:21:33 <Freak_NL> I can't input Hangul on the Z yet
May 22 23:22:03 <Laibsch> dcordes: Even the vocab stuff is not yet in the feeds.  You have to compile yourself at this point
May 22 23:22:31 <Laibsch> Data is easy to add to the device although an installable ipk would be nice at some time in the future
May 22 23:22:43 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: Well, but you could drill, nonetheless
May 22 23:23:21 <Freak_NL> somehow, I rather do that on a 1600x1200 screen than 640x480 :)
May 22 23:23:22 <Laibsch> In any case, the developper of granule even bougt a collie after I sent him a distorted screenshot of granule running on the Z
May 22 23:23:23 <dcordes> Laibsch: Ok then. I'm not quite interested in learning japanese btw, rather in basic dictionaries.
May 22 23:23:39 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: True, the idea is portable learning tool
May 22 23:23:43 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: He did? wow
May 22 23:24:01 <Laibsch> Think "airplane", "subway", "church" ;-)
May 22 23:24:17 <Freak_NL> I want to use my Z in Z.Korea and Japan this summer, hence the SCIM interest
May 22 23:24:23 <Freak_NL> for Hangul aswell 
May 22 23:24:33 <Laibsch> dcordes: How about wikipedia on the Z.  Sounds interesting?  I am working on that.  Help appreciated
May 22 23:25:36 <dcordes> Well if I can contribute in any wa which is not depending on the knowledge of any programming language I'm your man
May 22 23:26:00 <Laibsch> great
May 22 23:26:20 <Laibsch> a) join gakusei.sf.net so we don't loose sight
May 22 23:26:33 <Laibsch> b) download a static wikipedia from static.wikipedia.org
May 22 23:26:46 <Laibsch> c) recompress with squashfs-lzma
May 22 23:26:57 <Laibsch> (that is how far I got so far)
May 22 23:27:06 <Laibsch> You will need a 2G card at least
May 22 23:27:15 <dcordes> I have one
May 22 23:27:17 <Laibsch> The Japanese version comes out to about 1.7G
May 22 23:27:29 <Laibsch> English might be biger
May 22 23:27:31 <Laibsch> bigger
May 22 23:27:38 <Laibsch> Next steps
May 22 23:27:38 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: Do you know how to use the dictionaries that come with the Z?
May 22 23:27:51 <Laibsch> Create kernel with squashfs and lzma support
May 22 23:27:57 <Laibsch> d) Create kernel with squashfs and lzma support
May 22 23:28:24 <Laibsch> e) compile minimo or other browser
May 22 23:28:42 <Laibsch> f) mount wikipedia and try to access
May 22 23:29:04 <Laibsch> g) improve a to f and try to make the image smaller and access faster
May 22 23:29:07 <dcordes> sounds complicated but I will go and try my best tomorrow
May 22 23:29:14 <Freak_NL> good luck
May 22 23:29:21 <Laibsch> Maybe squashfs-lzma is not the best tool for the job
May 22 23:29:40 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: I believe they are in incompatible format, aren't they?
May 22 23:29:51 <Laibsch> If they are EPWING, then zten is your friend
May 22 23:29:52 <Freak_NL> they seem to be, unfortunatly
May 22 23:30:00 <Freak_NL> I've tried all ebz tools
May 22 23:30:01 <Laibsch> I use kojien without a problem
May 22 23:30:14 <Freak_NL> how?
May 22 23:30:22 <Freak_NL> I didn't get it to work on my deskopt
May 22 23:30:28 <Laibsch> I think I converted it to EPWING
May 22 23:30:34 <Freak_NL> I have the Kojien from this 3200
May 22 23:30:38 <Laibsch> There is a HOWTO somewhere
May 22 23:31:16 <Laibsch> If you promise to write this up for gakusei.sf.net I can look up the information on how I did it ;-)
May 22 23:31:32 <Freak_NL> sounds fair :)
May 22 23:31:39 <Laibsch> deal
May 22 23:32:12 <Freak_NL> but for now, bed.. I need to write 9000 words on digital Japanese resources by June 1st
May 22 23:32:26 <Freak_NL> the kind of resources one could use on a Z
May 22 23:33:05 <dcordes> Laibsch: what's lzma?
May 22 23:33:42 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: I'll probably sign up on gakusei.sf.net sometime this week (using my real name)
May 22 23:34:13 <Freak_NL> g'night
May 22 23:34:43 <Taekero> dcordes, a compression algorithm
May 22 23:35:33 <dcordes> Laibsch: why do you want to create an own kernel for that wiki thing?
May 22 23:40:46 <Laibsch> dcordes|away: The standard kernel from OE does not include lzma support, so you need to recompile (or just compile it with support built independs on perspective)
May 22 23:52:14 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA000022/unixdic/unix-dic3.html
May 23 01:58:58 <Thaiger> Can anyone help me with my Planex CF wifi card on SL-C1000?  I just flashed and I auth to my router, but no pinging to anything but my internal network anything else just says sento: Network is unreachable
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