**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 02:59:56 2007 Jun 04 04:23:33 Laibsch, hi Jun 04 04:23:54 Laibsch, http://onionmixer.net/onionmixer_new.php4?pname=main_new Jun 04 04:24:02 Laibsch, screenshot is here Jun 04 04:24:23 im office out(with company work) Jun 04 07:44:28 morning Jun 04 09:06:44 re Jun 04 10:01:59 koen: how is your knowledge of Amsterdam? Jun 04 10:07:41 rudimentary Jun 04 10:07:55 I know where the police stations are :) Jun 04 10:07:56 * XorA is looking for somewhere to go for anniversary on monday Jun 04 10:08:04 koen: you bad man :-) Jun 04 10:09:55 'zeedijk' and 'de pijp' are nice Jun 04 10:10:24 the first has lots of asian food, the second is an 'old' neighbourhood Jun 04 10:11:14 cool Jun 04 10:23:55 XorA: avoid Red areas Jun 04 10:24:14 for this visit anyway Jun 04 10:25:53 * koen will be near amsterdam on thursday Jun 04 10:28:25 ade|desk: my wife wants to see them Jun 04 10:29:32 most red areas are for tourists anyway Jun 04 10:30:51 and there are drugdealers on every streetcorner in amsterdam, not only in the red district Jun 04 10:31:21 heh heh yeah I noticed that last time in Amsterdam, you almost have to push the fuckers off you Jun 04 10:43:17 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=qt4-x11-free Jun 04 10:44:53 yay Jun 04 10:45:34 I removed the -dev package that had the x86 binaries Jun 04 10:45:51 the depends also aren't quite right yet (propably due to my hack to get it packaged) Jun 04 10:45:53 * XorA waits eagerly for the full thing Jun 04 10:46:17 heh heh, who wants to be the first to get a qt4 based phone image on Neo :-D Jun 04 10:46:28 make mickey|zzZzzz cry :-)# Jun 04 10:47:40 qt4 supports dbus and glib mainloops, so it shouldn't be too hard :) Jun 04 10:48:27 and we shall have opieII as well, looking like a good week Jun 04 10:49:06 I dislike opie2 for its "release management" Jun 04 10:49:26 the developers still refuse to do release for the seperate apps Jun 04 10:49:31 releases* Jun 04 10:49:50 even X is now doing modular releases Jun 04 10:50:46 TINDER_AUTO_BUILD + rm_work is quite a space saver Jun 04 10:51:58 400GB /home is rm_work saver :) Jun 04 10:52:35 * XorA wonders if opieII can be steered towards eds-dbus :-) Jun 04 10:52:46 the angstrom source mirror is also working quite nicely Jun 04 10:52:54 * koen removed his DL_DIR and still no failed builds Jun 04 10:53:20 XorA: read zecke's posts about qtopia pim being atrocious and moronic Jun 04 10:53:29 koen: heh heh Jun 04 10:54:16 the short story: it doesn't map to vcal easily Jun 04 10:54:58 * XorA wishes for 48hours in a day and no job to have to do Jun 04 11:03:47 qt4-x11-free? cool, does that mean it'll work on a Z too? Jun 04 11:04:06 sooner or later will Jun 04 11:04:33 that's even cooler! keep up the good work guys! Jun 04 11:04:40 * summatusmentis wishes he were useful enough to help Jun 04 11:04:57 summatusmentis: port ko/pi and ka/pi :-D Jun 04 11:06:26 wouldn't it be more usefull to port kde-pim itself, and not some abandoned fork? Jun 04 11:07:34 XorA: I lack experience, I can't even get the Angstrom collie console image to build Jun 04 11:07:37 koen: I was waiting for the explosion :-) Jun 04 11:12:07 Can I update the kernel (self-compiled) without reflashing? Jun 04 11:13:23 on zaurus? Jun 04 11:13:39 * summatusmentis leaves for school Jun 04 11:14:02 hrw: yes, collie Jun 04 11:14:14 Laibsch: kexec or reflashing kernel Jun 04 11:14:25 13:01 hrw@maluch:build$ du -sh tmp/work/ Jun 04 11:14:25 17G tmp/work/ Jun 04 11:14:27 13:13 hrw@maluch:build$ Jun 04 11:14:37 kexec is not compiled into the one that is currently installed. So I will need to reflash. Jun 04 11:15:23 Laibsch, what do you mean compiled in? not installed? Jun 04 11:15:23 12 minutes to check work... Jun 04 11:15:37 hrw, what filesystem? Jun 04 11:15:52 but 17GB for the work directory is a lot of files, anyway Jun 04 11:15:53 ext3 Jun 04 11:16:07 I wonder if it would before better on something like jfs/xfs. Jun 04 11:16:15 s/before/perform/ Jun 04 11:16:25 (how could I typed before??:)) Jun 04 11:16:26 I need to enable full journal on it Jun 04 11:16:59 hrw, on work? Or on that filesystem? I have a dedicated partition for OE tmp now, so I can experiment. Jun 04 11:17:13 polyonymous: on filesystem Jun 04 11:17:20 ah, I see. Jun 04 11:17:38 polyonymous: and this is 5400rpm 2.5" drive Jun 04 11:17:57 that also explains things. Jun 04 11:18:09 I'm going to try some other fs next time I wipe my tmp.. Jun 04 11:18:18 hrw: I thought kexec support needs to be compiled into the kernel Jun 04 11:18:30 Laibsch, it's compiled in all OE kernels, I think. Jun 04 11:18:39 But it also requires userland tool. Jun 04 11:18:49 (kexec-tools is the package name I think) Jun 04 11:18:56 I'll just reflash Jun 04 11:19:02 That should also do :) Jun 04 11:19:04 Maybe next time Jun 04 11:25:45 * XorA hopes a Diva's Pudding Match is what it sounds like Jun 04 11:30:43 XorA, ? Jun 04 11:30:57 Crofton: www.wwe.com Jun 04 11:32:33 America has such fine exports Jun 04 11:33:55 Crofton: thats one of my favourites :-) Jun 04 11:34:54 I worry about Americas impact on the world sometimes Jun 04 11:34:56 :) Jun 04 11:36:06 Crofton: well you guys cant really take all the credit for "Professional" wrestling, the Japanese are pretty mad for it too Jun 04 11:37:19 polyonymous: removing that 17G took real 19m2.467s user 0m2.290s sys 0m57.167s Jun 04 11:37:59 hrw, that's the operation for which ext3 isn't the best :) Jun 04 11:40:30 fast unlink on ext3, but just dont fsck for a while :-) Jun 04 11:57:41 polyonymous: altboot SVNR50+ works find fine on Spitz ( and probably Akita ) w/ angstrom. There are two exceptions: a) It can't install loop-images from tarballs yet, b) SD booting is untested as I do not own a (working!) SD card Jun 04 11:58:04 * CoreDump|afk is off to work Jun 04 11:59:42 Laibsch, re Jun 04 12:04:18 CoreDump|afk, haven't ever tried either a or b, anyway :) But I was thinking about buying an sd card of decent size, so I may be able to test it. Jun 04 12:09:16 onionmixer: Thank you for the comment and the screenshots Jun 04 12:09:30 Laibsch, really? thankyou..^.^ Jun 04 12:09:44 They are rather small and I could not make out the are of the active input method Jun 04 12:09:56 I did see some Korean glyphs, though. Jun 04 12:11:09 ..^.^ Jun 04 12:11:37 me and my friends patch for some package Jun 04 12:11:54 kdrive and kernel hostab_cs module Jun 04 13:12:34 rpath problems should be gone in most libraries in the feeds now Jun 04 13:12:45 yay Jun 04 13:12:52 great Jun 04 13:13:19 when we get qt4 apps in the feeds we should test prelink again Jun 04 13:14:59 koen, tried to run demos yet? I have and I'm not excited. turns out, it failed to detect freetype. I have patch locally, but I'm running off now. Jun 04 13:15:15 not yet Jun 04 13:15:25 don't then, yet :) Jun 04 13:15:35 I'll commit again tonight. Jun 04 13:15:51 * koen is at ppc603e rebuilds now Jun 04 13:15:59 i586, i686 to follow Jun 04 13:16:11 what is i586 in OE? Jun 04 13:16:13 sounds like fun. Jun 04 13:17:04 hi all. can some one please help me out with xmodmap,keymap-2.6.map and keylaunchrc? Jun 04 13:18:41 the keycode from evbug is 116 for the power button. but if I use it as value in simpad.xmodmap it is badly translated. I need to use 124 to get 116 as keyevent. Jun 04 13:19:11 mr_nice: xev != showkey probably Jun 04 13:22:05 hrw|gone: hm, which package includes showkey? Jun 04 13:24:51 console-tools, xev is in xev Jun 04 13:24:52 bye Jun 04 13:24:57 thx Jun 04 13:54:58 http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/efika/309 Jun 04 14:00:02 http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/efika/213 Jun 04 14:00:35 I meant that for another window :) Jun 04 14:00:46 http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/efika/137 Jun 04 14:02:15 any actual progress? Jun 04 14:22:58 panel_user = [25696] Jun 04 14:22:58 cp: /home/25696/.matchbox/mbdock.session: No such file or directory Jun 04 14:22:58 Running panel as user [25696] Jun 04 14:22:58 su: user 25696 does not exist Jun 04 14:23:06 ok who is responsible for that crap???? Jun 04 14:23:31 which panel? Jun 04 14:23:42 mb-panel Jun 04 14:23:47 I assume Jun 04 14:23:50 weird Jun 04 14:24:05 looks like someone fscked an init script Jun 04 14:24:09 just did ipkg-upgrade Jun 04 14:24:17 without the - Jun 04 14:26:23 [25696] is probably the PID of mb-panel at that time Jun 04 14:26:47 looks like it Jun 04 14:28:40 looks like something trambed on $HOME somewhere in Xsession,d Jun 04 14:28:50 wierd shit Jun 04 14:28:59 maybe its just a wierd artifact Jun 04 14:59:15 $USER probably Jun 04 16:13:29 Okay, before I go around flashing this thing called angstrom to my SL-6000, does anyone have a link to the default sharp ROM? Or instructions as to how to back it up.. Jun 04 16:15:13 ScytheBlade1: you have sharprom on tosa? Jun 04 16:15:24 hrw, I do Jun 04 16:15:40 It's even the bluetooth enabled version... even more unsupported :) Jun 04 16:15:50 ;) Jun 04 16:16:09 I just need to get into the debug menu to do the NAND backup, right? Jun 04 16:16:16 yes Jun 04 16:16:39 I can get into the format/update menu fine, but I can't remember how to get the debug one up Jun 04 16:17:01 DP or DM during power Jun 04 16:17:16 That's right Jun 04 16:17:53 tosa here is discharged too much to test it Jun 04 16:18:16 and I do not have sharprom on it since I got it Jun 04 16:21:27 Hmm, DM isn't doing it Jun 04 16:25:30 Ah there we go Jun 04 16:25:57 which combo? Jun 04 16:26:28 DM, but I had to hit the reset button in the pack to get it to work Jun 04 16:27:02 thx Jun 04 16:30:20 * ScytheBlade1 sits and waits Jun 04 16:31:40 I take it you want a copy of my sharp rom? Jun 04 16:31:46 Or no? Jun 04 16:35:30 no Jun 04 16:35:46 I do not plan to go back to that crap Jun 04 16:35:49 Heh Jun 04 16:35:55 I only use it because all of my hardware works Jun 04 16:36:02 But, we'll see how angstrom works for me Jun 04 16:36:23 at the time when I got tosa I used 2.6 kernel on c760 for nearly year Jun 04 16:36:37 Ahh Jun 04 16:36:42 and using tosa I had a feel that machine is much slower then c760 Jun 04 16:36:44 I can see why you don't want to touch it ever again then Jun 04 16:37:20 it has some bugs under 2.6 but works faster and more stable (for me) then sharp Jun 04 16:37:36 Any deal breakers? I only have a SL-6000 Jun 04 16:38:24 give atleast day for angstrom and check Jun 04 16:38:46 also check our mailing lists where people already posted their feelings about angstrom on tosa Jun 04 16:38:57 k Jun 04 16:42:28 is anyone using GPRS with zaurus? Jun 04 16:43:25 hrw, aside from renaming the updater.sh, is there anything else I need to do (rename other files) to install this? Jun 04 16:49:52 get .jffs2 file and rename it to initrd.bin Jun 04 16:50:01 get zImage* file and rename to zImage.bin Jun 04 16:50:17 And the modules.tar.gz? Jun 04 16:50:34 you can ignore Jun 04 16:50:38 k Jun 04 16:56:37 * ScytheBlade1 is stupidly happy Jun 04 16:59:18 cu Jun 04 17:00:36 Hmm Jun 04 17:00:46 Only the console is available for the 6000? Jun 04 17:02:12 where did you buy the 6000 Jun 04 17:02:46 chaseandcompany.net Jun 04 17:06:02 theit db is broken Jun 04 17:07:43 Hmm - does angstrom not currently support WEP? :/ Jun 04 17:35:59 hrw|gone, ping for when you get back... I have more questions :) Jun 04 18:21:08 * XorA|gone is a mong Jun 04 18:21:49 That's almost gnome, spelled backwards. Jun 04 18:22:02 E Mong Jun 04 19:35:17 what is the difference between console-image and Angstrom-console-image? Jun 04 19:45:12 one is a symlink to the other Jun 04 19:45:19 oh ok Jun 04 19:46:01 so I guess I have to install x by hand in angstrom.... Jun 04 19:47:16 no... Jun 04 19:47:20 angstrom-x11-image Jun 04 19:47:38 I did not see that one in latest unstable directory. Jun 04 19:48:00 right, go up one directory, to the previous one Jun 04 19:48:08 for some reason, there is no x11 image in the current dir Jun 04 19:48:10 ok thx Jun 04 19:49:22 sure thing Jun 04 20:44:04 sound is quite Jun 04 20:44:26 quiet? Jun 04 20:44:51 yes Jun 04 20:45:08 pulled all mixer up Jun 04 20:45:10 do you feel that sounds like a complete bugreport? :) Jun 04 20:45:28 is alsa or oss used Jun 04 20:45:39 you ask me? Jun 04 20:45:46 yes Jun 04 20:46:01 well, to answer that I'd have to ask you whether you used alsa or oss. Jun 04 20:46:42 i used the x11-angstrom image Jun 04 20:47:17 well, it uses alsa, but you can also use an oss compatibility level from app PoV. Jun 04 20:47:33 s/level/layer/ Jun 04 20:47:39 in xmms ii set up alsa Jun 04 20:47:41 adminjs: which device do you use? Jun 04 20:47:50 terrier Jun 04 20:47:54 ah ok Jun 04 20:47:58 I have the same problem on akita Jun 04 20:48:01 filed a bug. Jun 04 20:48:21 ah cheers Jun 04 20:48:34 I've also noticed that effect on borzoi, but I noticed it also depends on application. Jun 04 20:48:51 but I don't think there is an answer yet. though CoreDump|afk told me there was some config file missing in the current release. Jun 04 20:48:59 and I've been testing from console. Jun 04 20:49:04 with mplayer switches do ya use Jun 04 20:49:54 for me it looks like the application used makes no difference Jun 04 20:50:18 well, I don't remember the details, to be true, so I'd rather shut up. Jun 04 20:50:48 new topic Jun 04 20:51:03 where is the config for X11 Jun 04 20:51:14 http://www.pastebin.ca/534983 <-- home-built version of wget, how do I fix those errors? Jun 04 20:52:41 bug 2339 Jun 04 20:53:04 concerning the sound problem. Jun 04 20:54:15 summatusmentis: looks like it conflicts with the wget in the feeds Jun 04 20:54:31 Freak_NL: I don't have that installed, only the busybox version Jun 04 20:54:58 it does have the wget package md5 hash on file Jun 04 20:55:14 ok, how do I fix it? Jun 04 20:55:19 have you tried renaming your package? Jun 04 20:55:43 (not sure if that is the best approach, depends on what you want with your package I suppose) Jun 04 20:56:01 Freak_NL: no, what are the downsides to that? Jun 04 20:56:22 none really, if it is just for your own machine Jun 04 20:56:33 I think :) Jun 04 20:57:14 the real wget could overwrite yours if it gets pulled in as a dependancy Jun 04 20:57:48 why did you built your own? Jun 04 20:57:59 does ipkg remove pkg completely? Jun 04 20:58:58 adminjs: It might leave configfiles if they are marked as such by the package Jun 04 20:59:12 Freak_NL: built my own, because I was testing a fix that someone made in OE, in order to fix(potentially) the issues that ipkg has w/ the full version of wget Jun 04 20:59:39 ah finally I get reconnected Jun 04 21:00:03 i deleted /var/lib/ipkg and now Jun 04 21:00:39 summatusmentis: sounds like you won't use it permanently, in that case renaming seems like the quickest fix for testing it Jun 04 21:00:56 Freak_NL: ok, thanks Jun 04 21:01:06 it semms that ipkg doesn't know Jun 04 21:01:19 now Jun 04 21:01:24 I wonder if you can block a package from the feeds Jun 04 21:01:53 summatusmentis: you could also remove the reference to wget from you local ipkg cache, but it would return after an ipkg update Jun 04 21:01:53 Freak_NL: same thing Jun 04 21:02:36 Freak_NL: how do I do that? Jun 04 21:03:05 edit the files :) (in /var/lib/ipkg I think? My Zaurus isn't on) Jun 04 21:03:29 the feed files, in any case Jun 04 21:05:15 ok, thanks Jun 04 21:05:21 What are people using for music on Angstrom? (I di not find mpd or glurp) Jun 04 21:05:36 my iPod :-) Jun 04 21:05:43 tested my sound with mpg321 Jun 04 21:05:45 oof... Jun 04 21:05:49 nothing quite like watching bitbake while drinking absynth and listening to Orbital Jun 04 21:05:59 haven't gotten to the musicplayer part yet Jun 04 21:07:12 OZ had mpd, shouldn't be too hard to get it into Ångström would it? Jun 04 21:08:39 lindenle: mplayer works for music Jun 04 21:08:44 not a good frontend though Jun 04 21:09:28 XorA|gone: you must not be in the US :-) Jun 04 21:09:38 would be nice if there was a frontend especially for portable devices Jun 04 21:09:39 summatusmentis: that is true Jun 04 21:09:52 there probably is, I just haven't seen it yet Jun 04 21:10:13 I've yet to see a good frontend for mplayer, even on desktop Jun 04 21:10:40 kmplayer Jun 04 21:10:41 reboot time Jun 04 21:12:09 summatusmentis: true.. the available frontends are ugly and unfriendly Jun 04 21:12:19 but I love mplayer for its power and versatility Jun 04 21:12:35 me too Jun 04 21:12:42 mm Jun 04 21:12:43 even though the console warnings are RUDE Jun 04 21:13:15 "YOU ARE TRYING TO PLAYBACK A CLOSED MEDIA FORMAT, YOU SUCK CAPITALIST PIG" Jun 04 21:13:31 well, close enough to something like that :) Jun 04 21:14:17 lol Jun 04 21:14:24 which format did you tried Jun 04 21:14:28 summatusmentis: is it banned there? Jun 04 21:14:48 I think it gives you a warning with ASF Jun 04 21:15:03 ran into to it a few times Jun 04 21:15:25 I also like how it calls your computer too slow if a file doesn't play nicely Jun 04 21:15:44 XorA|gone: absynth, yes Jun 04 21:15:45 bitbake, no Jun 04 21:15:48 "no, it's not slow, I'm compiling firefox you know-it-al" Jun 04 21:16:08 summatusmentis: odd Jun 04 21:16:17 summatusmentis: but I ran out so Sambucca now Jun 04 21:17:07 XorA|gone: not really, everything is banned here. the US is backwards about a lot of things Jun 04 21:17:12 or just stupid Jun 04 21:17:28 summatusmentis: tell them they removed the wormwood in wester .eu as well Jun 04 21:17:51 summatusmentis: I shall sample US alcohol in february again Jun 04 21:18:06 I wouldn't know what to suggest, as I'm underage Jun 04 21:19:24 compile firefox? Jun 04 21:19:31 gentoo? Jun 04 21:20:14 hehe Jun 04 21:20:23 XorA|gone, drink the imported stuff :) Jun 04 21:20:28 * summatusmentis <3's gentoo Jun 04 21:20:28 summatusmentis: under 18? Jun 04 21:20:48 Crofton|laptop: new england had some nice beers Jun 04 21:20:56 I like Gentoo a lot, but I'm impressed with recent Ubuntu releases too Jun 04 21:21:26 PORAGE_NICENESS 25 Jun 04 21:21:39 I've got my gf's laptop on Ubuntu Jun 04 21:21:46 my own too Jun 04 21:21:58 Feisty is certainly better than previous release Jun 04 21:22:39 I only want Gentoo on my desktop because of the control I have (helps with OE and such as well) Jun 04 21:22:55 but Feisty is looking sooooo polished Jun 04 21:23:07 i use it an all my machines Jun 04 21:23:11 I used to run gentoo, but emerge got so boring Jun 04 21:23:26 and amd64 support kinda died Jun 04 21:23:39 what Jun 04 21:23:55 my main is amd64 Jun 04 21:24:08 and it runs like hell Jun 04 21:24:16 adminjs: they obviously stopped flining shit then Jun 04 21:24:20 I would love a distribution with a portage like package manager and binary packages available if they exist for your specific USE flags and arch Jun 04 21:24:39 Freak_NL: its called gentoo Jun 04 21:25:06 it can do that? (hmm..) Jun 04 21:25:20 Freak_NL: certainly used to Jun 04 21:25:24 should pay more attention Jun 04 21:25:38 Freak_NL: emerge has binary package support (or used to years ago) Jun 04 21:26:07 it has binary support Jun 04 21:26:09 but that's just local isn't it? Jun 04 21:26:27 Freak_NL: it used to have package archives once upon a time Jun 04 21:26:52 local? Jun 04 21:27:02 * XorA|gone was actually quite a gentoo fan until politics and shit slinging annoyed him Jun 04 21:27:47 I can't just download a CD and install a complete Ubuntu-grade desktop with Gentoo and have a non-technical person like my gf manage updates and such Jun 04 21:27:57 XorA|gone: still annoys me Jun 04 21:28:12 what in particular Jun 04 21:28:49 I think I'll probably sacrifice this install in april for Ubuntu Jun 04 21:28:59 I hate waiting for Gnome releases this long :( Jun 04 21:29:13 adminjs: do the point release not still have full binary archives? Jun 04 21:29:50 not full Jun 04 21:30:14 but e.g. oofice mplayer-bin Jun 04 21:30:39 I never actually succeeded in compiling OO.org :) Jun 04 21:30:42 ah well, we shall make Angstrom overtake gentoo :-) Jun 04 21:31:05 OE is like a mini-portage :p Jun 04 21:31:14 i scceeded everytime Jun 04 21:31:16 s/mini/maxi/ Jun 04 21:31:22 it took 3h Jun 04 21:31:49 I think I've had it run for 12 hours back in the Ximian-OpenOffice days Jun 04 21:37:28 but i ran it in the background Jun 04 21:37:40 so it does not disturb Jun 04 21:41:33 XorA|gone: <21 Jun 04 21:41:53 summatusmentis: come holiday in .eu then and drink to hearts content Jun 04 21:41:57 lol Jun 04 21:42:23 there is zero age limit for drinking in restaurant in uk and 18 in pubs Jun 04 21:43:13 heh, maybe sometime in the next 4 years, study abroad :-) Jun 04 21:44:54 n8 all Jun 04 21:59:58 XorA|gone: so children can get drunk in uk's restaurants? Jun 04 22:00:03 * ucordes shocked Jun 04 22:02:04 it would keep 'em quiet Jun 04 22:05:33 is anyone else having issues building an angstrom-console-image for collie? Jun 04 22:05:48 ucordes: yep technically, although most restauraunts wouldnt serve that much alcohol Jun 04 22:06:04 JUst made my c860 a music device in amarok...neato Jun 04 22:06:12 summatusmentis: Im upto gtk+ on x11-image for collie Jun 04 22:16:53 Hmm... anyone around who has a tosa that can answer a few questions? Jun 04 22:17:04 I need my bluetooth working, and a GUI of any sort would be incredible Jun 04 22:37:52 XorA|gone: really? I can't get console-image to build http://www.pastebin.ca/537762 Jun 04 22:50:07 hi Jun 04 22:50:21 hi cdbot2 Jun 04 22:50:24 shit, Hi CoreDump|home Jun 04 22:50:30 close enough ;) Jun 04 22:50:36 bots also appreciate courtesy Jun 04 22:50:37 I know, but even still Jun 04 22:50:58 summatusmentis: bc: command not found Jun 04 22:51:17 true, speaking of which. CoreDump|home do you know of any reference materiels regarding writing bots? Jun 04 22:52:05 of course. Install any bot and learn its scripting language. Jun 04 22:53:31 FWIW I used eggdrop and TCL ( which is damn flexible and tons of scripts are available) Jun 04 22:54:08 I thought I'd use perl, and use it as a way to get a function I wanted, and learn perl :-) Jun 04 22:58:12 summatusmentis: that would be a kinda hardcore way of doig that =) Jun 04 22:59:08 CoreDump|home: should be a pretty simple function, I'm only looking for certain functionality, so I don't think it'll be too bad Jun 04 22:59:18 but hardcore is my middle name :-P Jun 04 22:59:27 =D Jun 04 23:04:02 I figure it's a good way to accomplish two things Jun 04 23:04:22 and since I'm currently useless to angstrom/OE, I need something to occupy my time :-P Jun 04 23:04:24 right Jun 04 23:04:31 heh Jun 04 23:11:32 CoreDump|home: Please send me your address. Thank you Jun 04 23:12:04 ? Jun 04 23:12:12 Laibsch, impressum at hentges.net? :) Jun 04 23:12:32 polyonymous: that'd work as well ;) Jun 04 23:12:37 heh :) Jun 04 23:13:13 is it true, btw, about being required by law? What is a german page? hosted in germany? Jun 04 23:13:48 polyonymous: Any page where the person responsible can have their ass sued off in .de Jun 04 23:13:57 But that is only for business pages Jun 04 23:14:19 Laibsch, but you can only know that if it already has impressum :) Jun 04 23:14:34 Laibsch, although if it's for business, that would mean doing business in Germany. Jun 04 23:16:05 polyonymous: a page without impressum selling stuff is clearly for business and violating the law Jun 04 23:16:14 Laibsch, got it. Jun 04 23:16:20 selling stuff in non-private quantities/setup Jun 04 23:17:00 This is just curiosity, so you don't have to put all your effort into clarification. But thanks, of course. Jun 04 23:17:52 Well, the effort is negligible Jun 04 23:18:04 I'm glad it is. Jun 04 23:19:24 well, all Linux users are criminals in germany since this week anyway, might just as well delete the "impressum" Jun 04 23:19:45 linux users are criminal in germany? Jun 04 23:19:56 What happened this week? Jun 04 23:20:50 mere mortals ( as decided by our corrupt government of course) are no longer allowed the possession, usage and sale of any sort of software that can be used to "hack" other computers ad networks Jun 04 23:21:03 oh, I did see that Jun 04 23:21:19 ah, then I think all computer users are criminals. Jun 04 23:21:27 the is written in such a way that it basically applies to each and any security auditing software in existence Jun 04 23:22:01 nice to know. I always loved those who write laws. Jun 04 23:22:21 so not linux itself, but anything beyond 'ls' in linux? Jun 04 23:22:27 summatusmentis: basically Jun 04 23:22:52 :-/ someone should hack the government, show them who's boss :-P Jun 04 23:23:22 I'm afraid kernel is on fire. Jun 04 23:23:26 only "authorised" people are allowed these tools. There is no fixed description about who _exactly_ is authorised so it is completely in the hands of the SA if you get sued your ass off, or not. Jun 04 23:23:48 well, that's what law is for. Jun 04 23:24:11 "bend it shape it anyway you want it" - i think that was a slogan of qnx once :) Jun 04 23:24:23 yay for fascist law makers. Jun 04 23:25:04 everyone responsible for this law should be shot. In public. With a cal.22 Jun 04 23:25:09 ;) Jun 04 23:25:17 careful, that might be a hacking tool Jun 04 23:25:20 * CoreDump|home waits for the gestapo to arrive Jun 04 23:26:20 mehh, back to fixing cdbot Jun 04 23:27:52 I always liked the sentence "Sie sind nicht berechtigt, unrechtmäßige Kopien dieses Datenträgers zu erstellen" "You are not allowed to make illegal copies of this CD" on Microsoft installer CDs Jun 04 23:27:57 How stupid is that? Jun 04 23:28:26 yes, certain people are allowed to make illegal copies :) Jun 04 23:28:45 only if they use hacking tools Jun 04 23:28:53 Makes me wonder *who* was allowed to make illegal copies ;-) Jun 04 23:30:10 well, criminals are. You know, when I first learned that all those criminal-looking guys in germany spend all their time at bahnhofs, I came to conclusion that probably if they don't thy have their criminal license revoked :) Jun 04 23:30:52 Where did thesing go? Jun 04 23:30:58 Oh, wrong channel I guess Jun 04 23:31:29 polyonymous: lol Jun 04 23:33:08 what's the cost of living in Germany as compared to US? Jun 04 23:41:42 * CoreDump|home has no idea Jun 04 23:42:05 lol Jun 04 23:42:07 ok Jun 05 01:19:36 koen|away: gpe-login changes its PACKAGE_ARCH to ${MACHINE}. Do your feed-scripts handle such a case? Jun 05 01:42:54 CoreDump|home: do you get a wifi-applet to show up on your mb-panel? Jun 05 01:43:55 summatusmentis: won't come up Jun 05 01:44:38 same, just thought I'd make sure Jun 05 01:44:44 is there a way to call those from the CLI? Jun 05 01:49:55 If there is, I forgot it =) Jun 05 01:50:03 lol, ok Jun 05 01:52:47 it segfaults Jun 05 01:56:09 figures Jun 05 01:56:50 yep, I'll track it down, and bugreport it Jun 05 01:56:55 not tonight though Jun 05 01:58:56 * summatusmentis leaves for bed Jun 05 01:59:08 goodnight all Jun 05 02:05:12 n8 summatusmentis **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 05 02:59:57 2007