**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 02:59:58 2007
Jun 06 03:39:26 <carbon> hiya. i have the very latest 'console' image installed on my c750, but it does not seem to be possible for me to install gpe...
Jun 06 03:39:55 <carbon> when i try running "ipkg install angstrom-task-gpe-base", it fails when it runs out of space on the root partition in flash
Jun 06 03:40:29 <carbon> i've tried a few brainless hacks to get some extra space (i.e. symlinking /usr to an SD card, which unfortunately prevents it from being able to reboot), but to no avail
Jun 06 03:41:06 <carbon> is there some way to use an external card for installations like that properly, or to resize the partitions, or something along those lines?
Jun 06 03:44:01 <summatusmentis> carbon: w/out knowing the specs on the 750, I'd say that the flash is too small to support gpe
Jun 06 03:44:29 <summatusmentis> there might be a way to run your / off of sd, but I'm not sure if it's functional on the 750
Jun 06 03:44:39 <carbon> summatusmentis, i'm not sure, but i believe that the c750 has half of the flash space of the c760...
Jun 06 03:44:45 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: any chance altboot would work on a 750?
Jun 06 03:44:50 <summatusmentis> carbon: 32Mb?
Jun 06 03:45:10 <CoreDump|afk> possibly
Jun 06 03:45:23 <carbon> df -h reports that /dev/mtdblock2 has 25.0M, and /dev/mtdblock3 has 32.0M...
Jun 06 03:45:28 * CoreDump|afk is off to bed
Jun 06 03:46:06 <carbon> i have been able to get GPE installed with other distributions, but it required using options for setting the root partition size way up
Jun 06 03:46:31 <summatusmentis> carbon: hrm... I would think the process is similar to a 5500, but I don't know that for sure
Jun 06 03:46:38 <summatusmentis> have you looked at the angstrom wiki?
Jun 06 03:46:49 <carbon> i have, but perhaps i was looking at the wrong pages
Jun 06 03:47:13 <carbon> i wasn't able to find very much information relating to the c750 in particular, or problems with lack of space and gpe
Jun 06 03:47:25 <summatusmentis> honestly, I don't know what's there concerning the 750
Jun 06 03:47:34 <carbon> this altboot thing sounds interesting...
Jun 06 03:48:03 <carbon> if it supports the 5500 (an earlier model) and the c1000 (a latter model), it's probably worth trying :-)
Jun 06 03:48:22 <summatusmentis> altboot worked on OZ
Jun 06 03:48:44 <summatusmentis> it's currently in the process of being revamped to work w/ angstrom, which is why I was asking CoreDump|afk about it
Jun 06 03:48:52 <summatusmentis> do you have OE setup?
Jun 06 03:49:01 <carbon> ah, so it doesn't work with angstrom currently?
Jun 06 03:49:09 <carbon> er, you mean as in an OE build environment? no
Jun 06 03:49:17 <summatusmentis> <CoreDump|afk> possibly
Jun 06 03:49:22 <summatusmentis> it does on some machines
Jun 06 03:49:31 <summatusmentis> and there aren't any packages available for it
Jun 06 03:49:36 <summatusmentis> not until it's done
Jun 06 03:50:05 <carbon> by "packages for it", you mean for altboot itself?
Jun 06 03:50:11 <summatusmentis> so, if you're comfortable setting up OE, then you could try out altboot
Jun 06 03:50:28 <summatusmentis> right, there's only a set of build instructions right now
Jun 06 03:50:37 <summatusmentis> when it's ready, it'll be put in the angstrom feeds, I assume
Jun 06 07:25:58 <XorA> morning
Jun 06 07:26:39 <koen> hey XorA 
Jun 06 07:36:53 <koen> hey pH5 
Jun 06 07:37:28 <pH5> hey koen
Jun 06 07:38:12 <rwhitby> koen: I just booted an nslu2 with the new new open source ixp4xx ethernet driver.  Will update ixp4xx-kernel to include it when 2.6.22 is released.
Jun 06 07:38:58 <koen> rwhitby: cool
Jun 06 07:39:30 <rwhitby> this driver is on the upstream track, unlike the previous one
Jun 06 07:39:58 <rwhitby> (lennert has reviewed it, and the comments have been incorporated I believe, and it has been posted to netdev too)
Jun 06 07:49:41 <XorA> rwhitby: got your big bertha SLU2?
Jun 06 07:49:49 <XorA> +N
Jun 06 07:50:13 <rwhitby> XorA: not yet - still being tested in the US
Jun 06 07:50:44 <rwhitby> there's a PCI hang problem when you use all the 256MB of memory (i.e. it works if you use 250MB, but not 256MB).
Jun 06 07:51:07 <XorA> rwhitby: thats a pity
Jun 06 07:51:08 <rwhitby> We don't know yet if it's a kernel bug (most likely) or a hardware or bootloader sdram controller setup bug.
Jun 06 07:51:27 <XorA> rwhitby: is someone going into business making them?
Jun 06 07:52:29 <rwhitby> no, this is just a guy doing it in the lab at work while no-one is watching
Jun 06 07:52:31 <hrw> morning
Jun 06 08:12:52 <Furre> morning hrw :)
Jun 06 11:44:30 <erdinger> hello
Jun 06 13:18:08 <lindenle> are there any voip    clients in angstrom?
Jun 06 13:52:24 <Laibsch> Yes
Jun 06 13:52:39 <Laibsch> I believe minisip is available (not sure about the feeds) and others
Jun 06 13:53:04 <Laibsch> You could take a look at the recommended software page on the OZ wiki
Jun 06 13:53:23 <koen> Laibsch: did you see the commit message removing angstrom-2007.1-oabi.conf?
Jun 06 13:54:07 <lindenle> Laibsch: doing it now
Jun 06 13:55:27 <lindenle> Laibsch: When is OZ going to be completely  moved to angstrom?
Jun 06 13:56:37 <lindenle> Laibsch: ANd where do we request packages such as centericq?
Jun 06 13:58:36 <XorA> lindenle: packages/centericq/ its already there
Jun 06 13:59:10 <psokolovsky_> koen: so, is oabi/eabi selection will now happen based on machine name?
Jun 06 13:59:21 <koen> psokolovsky_: yes
Jun 06 13:59:48 <psokolovsky_> ok
Jun 06 14:00:21 <koen> TARGET_OS = "linux${@['','-gnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb'] and bb.data.getVar('MACHINE',d) not in ['collie','h3600', 'h3800', 'simpad']]}"
Jun 06 14:01:50 <lindenle> XorA: in angstrom?
Jun 06 14:01:55 <lindenle> XorA: or oe
Jun 06 14:02:10 <XorA> lindenle: its in oe, probably just not compiled and uploaded to packages
Jun 06 14:02:30 <lindenle> oh ok so I guess I should check it out and build it myself...need mpd and glurp too
Jun 06 14:03:30 <XorA> hmm, we have 4.11, latest is 4.21
Jun 06 14:03:50 <Laibsch> koen: No
Jun 06 14:04:45 <Laibsch> But psokolovsky_'s  questions seems to suggest you've been doing some good work again
Jun 06 14:04:48 <XorA> lindenle: NOTE: package centericq-4.11.0: failed needs some tlc
Jun 06 14:04:49 <Laibsch> koen magic!
Jun 06 14:05:22 <Laibsch> XorA: tlc?
Jun 06 14:05:28 <hrw> XorA: 4.21 is pita
Jun 06 14:05:30 <XorA> Tender Loving Care
Jun 06 14:05:31 <hrw> tried..
Jun 06 14:06:09 <lindenle> XorA: Is bitbake version 1.6 still correct in the manual
Jun 06 14:06:19 <Laibsch> lindenle: Not really
Jun 06 14:06:24 <Laibsch> lindenle: where?
Jun 06 14:06:31 <lindenle> http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=chapter_getting_oe
Jun 06 14:06:31 <XorA> lindenle: 1.6 from svn I think works, but 1.8.2 should really be used
Jun 06 14:06:35 <Laibsch> You should really use 1.8
Jun 06 14:06:43 <XorA> Laibsch: 1.8.2
Jun 06 14:06:44 <lindenle> ok good it is a debian package for me woo hoo
Jun 06 14:06:47 <XorA> Laibsch: or later
Jun 06 14:06:57 <Laibsch> XorA: sure
Jun 06 14:07:12 <XorA> Laibsch: when you say 1.8 pople think any 1.8 works which it doesnt
Jun 06 14:07:23 <lindenle> i have 1.8.2
Jun 06 14:07:36 <lindenle> and monoton 0.3?
Jun 06 14:07:40 <lindenle> ^e
Jun 06 14:08:28 <Laibsch> lindenle: Sounds good
Jun 06 14:08:48 <lindenle> Laibsch: Thanks, ill giv her a whirl
Jun 06 14:09:13 <lindenle> Laibsch:  Is there a branch specific to angstrom
Jun 06 14:13:25 <Laibsch> no
Jun 06 14:13:27 <Laibsch> just .dev
Jun 06 14:14:07 <lindenle> k thx
Jun 06 14:14:47 <lindenle> Laibsch: BTW it is pretty great that configuring and building are just stubs...
Jun 06 14:15:04 <Laibsch> stubs?
Jun 06 14:15:08 <Laibsch> You mean the docs?
Jun 06 14:15:13 <XorA> NOTE: package centericq-4.21.0: completed
Jun 06 14:15:22 <Laibsch> lindenle: Well, go ahead and start to write that chapter!
Jun 06 14:15:40 <lindenle> Laibsch: As I learn how to build this again I will ;)
Jun 06 14:15:54 <Laibsch> Good
Jun 06 14:16:09 <Laibsch> We love givers.  Too many people just taking out there
Jun 06 14:16:39 <lindenle> Yes I know...BTW if I build  packages can i get them added to the feed
Jun 06 14:16:46 <lindenle> (s)
Jun 06 14:18:07 <Laibsch> possibly
Jun 06 14:18:17 <Laibsch> They first need to be in OE
Jun 06 14:18:26 <lindenle> ok
Jun 06 14:20:11 <lindenle> Laibsch: Of course i may have to ask questions as i go
Jun 06 14:20:52 * XorA pushes centericq to his repo to test if it works
Jun 06 14:21:22 * XorA needs a non USB network system for Z
Jun 06 14:21:33 <hrw> XorA: lack of wifi cards?
Jun 06 14:21:53 <XorA> hrw: I need to put a USB one in desktop here are work and make an adhoc
Jun 06 14:21:53 * lindenle wishes he could send XorA one
Jun 06 14:22:40 * XorA remebers there is a WAP on his desk, could set it up in hidden SSID mode
Jun 06 14:23:13 * lindenle feels inner w00t boiling up
Jun 06 14:23:23 <Laibsch> lindenle: Feel free
Jun 06 14:23:36 <Laibsch> I am sure you will get all the help you need
Jun 06 14:25:09 <XorA> p3n3tr4t0r:~$ centericq
Jun 06 14:25:09 <XorA> Segmentation fault
Jun 06 14:30:50 <Laibsch> koen: So I take it that "MACHINE=spitz bitbake X" and "MACHINE=collie bitbake X" just plain work for angstrom now?  That is awesome!
Jun 06 14:32:58 <lindenle> Laibsch:  Is the DISTRO angstrom?
Jun 06 14:33:35 <lindenle> angstrom-2007?
Jun 06 14:35:16 <XorA> angstrom-2007.1
Jun 06 14:36:34 <lindenle> ok
Jun 06 14:36:37 <lindenle> got it
Jun 06 15:06:40 <koen> Laibsch: that should work
Jun 06 20:15:04 <summatusmentis> is anyone here in the US?
Jun 06 20:20:01 * XorA|gone has applied all patches from debian to centericq and it still crashes
Jun 06 20:21:26 <lindenle> summatusmentis: yes
Jun 06 20:22:26 <summatusmentis> lindenle: are you having issues w/ the Z not recognizing DST?
Jun 06 20:22:34 <summatusmentis> or maybe I just can't find where to turn it on...
Jun 06 20:22:37 <summatusmentis> my Z is an hour early
Jun 06 20:29:54 <lindenle>  summatusmentis: no
Jun 06 20:30:22 <summatusmentis> no? ok... I've got my Z setup to get time via the network, so I assume it's a setting I have somehwere
Jun 06 22:07:44 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jun 06 22:14:28 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: setting the timezone manually is rather simple, but I forgot how I did it the last time I needed it =)
Jun 06 22:58:37 <polyonymous> ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris /etc/localtime ? :)
Jun 06 23:16:09 <CoreDump|home> looks about right ;)
Jun 06 23:27:59 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: I am not moving any of the do_$blah routines to the .inc
Jun 06 23:28:06 <Laibsch> You will have to check those yourself
Jun 06 23:28:29 <CoreDump|home> ok
Jun 06 23:29:15 <Laibsch> I will also remove the ###################################-lines
Jun 06 23:29:33 <Laibsch> And reorder fields as per policy
Jun 06 23:31:29 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: OK with you?
Jun 06 23:31:37 <CoreDump|home> sure
Jun 06 23:34:58 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/altboot/
Jun 06 23:35:12 <Laibsch> Should be syntactically 100% equivalent
Jun 06 23:35:20 <Laibsch> But maybe you can take a quick look
Jun 06 23:36:42 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: looking good =)
Jun 06 23:37:06 <Laibsch> OK, I'll commit it and then integrate hvontres' stuff
Jun 06 23:37:41 <CoreDump|home> great
Jun 06 23:38:08 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: What name do you suggest instead of altboot_1.0.8+1.0.9_pre.bb?
Jun 06 23:39:11 <CoreDump|home> 1.0.9-pre1 maybe? But I could live with your version as well
Jun 06 23:45:16 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: altboot_1.0.9-pre1.bb?
Jun 06 23:45:27 <CoreDump|home> yeah
Jun 06 23:45:38 <CoreDump|home> or +pre1? hmm
Jun 06 23:46:00 <CoreDump|home> 1.0.9 should be "higher" than the "pre1" one
Jun 06 23:46:01 <Laibsch> I don't know
Jun 06 23:46:10 <Laibsch> There is a document about versioning
Jun 06 23:46:20 <Laibsch> But of course the website again does not load
Jun 06 23:46:24 <CoreDump|home> :\
Jun 06 23:46:47 <CoreDump|home> I guess altboot_1.0.8+1.0.9_pre.bb is the save alternative then =)
Jun 06 23:46:48 <Laibsch> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/VersioningPolicy
Jun 06 23:47:55 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: the timezone is set, but it's not paying attention to daylight savings tie
Jun 06 23:47:55 <summatusmentis> time*
Jun 06 23:48:03 <CoreDump|home> foo_2.4.3+2.4.4rc2 that translates into altboot_1.0.8+1.0.9_pre1.bb
Jun 06 23:48:13 <Laibsch> yes
Jun 06 23:48:23 <CoreDump|home> right
Jun 06 23:48:33 <Laibsch> I'd say altboot_1.0.8+1.0.9rc1.bb
Jun 06 23:48:39 <Laibsch> but I guess it is about the same
Jun 06 23:48:44 <Laibsch> So hvontres was right
Jun 06 23:48:51 <CoreDump|home> yeah =)
Jun 06 23:49:13 <CoreDump|home> what was the X app similar to "showkeys" again?
Jun 06 23:52:04 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: Can't we consolidate all those RRECOMMENDS_append lines 
Jun 06 23:52:24 <Laibsch> They are only recommended so I don't see why they should be device-specific
Jun 06 23:52:38 <Laibsch> Just recommend them for all devices and be done
Jun 06 23:52:43 <Laibsch> What do you think?
Jun 06 23:53:17 <CoreDump|home> ahh, the split was done because collie didn't support kernel 2.6
Jun 06 23:53:47 <CoreDump|home> RRECOMMENDS_${PN} = "e2fsprogs-e2fsck dosfstools kexec-tools" 
Jun 06 23:54:13 <CoreDump|home> RRECOMMENDS_${PN}_spitz += " kernel-module-jffs2" 
Jun 06 23:56:56 <Laibsch> yes, I agree
Jun 06 23:57:40 <CoreDump|home> also FILES_${PN}-conf = "/etc/altboot*cfg"
Jun 06 23:57:50 <CoreDump|home> and RDEPENDS_${PN}-conf = "${PN}"
Jun 06 23:57:59 <CoreDump|home> and PACKAGE_ARCH_${PN}-conf = "${MACHINE}"
Jun 06 23:58:04 <CoreDump|home> can be dropped
Jun 06 23:58:14 <CoreDump|home> err wait
Jun 06 23:58:17 <CoreDump|home> meh
Jun 06 23:58:24 <CoreDump|home> not conf
Jun 06 23:58:31 <CoreDump|home> the *doc* stuff should be removed
Jun 06 23:58:55 <Laibsch> well, you can do that easily once I committed
Jun 06 23:59:12 <CoreDump|home> right
Jun 07 00:11:48 <summatusmentis> can someone explain to me why abiword writes in the RTF format, but uses a .doc extension?(using the msword plugin)
Jun 07 00:20:38 * CoreDump|home has no idea
Jun 07 00:20:46 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: any news on the FF segfault?
Jun 07 00:20:59 <summatusmentis> the FF segfault? what do you mean?
Jun 07 00:22:08 <CoreDump|home> Didn't you investigate the firefox segfault?
Jun 07 00:22:32 <summatusmentis> no... I was looking at the mb-applet-wireless segfault...
Jun 07 00:22:38 <summatusmentis> and I don't know where to proceed from there
Jun 07 00:25:38 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: I think you might have me confused for someone else
Jun 07 00:25:58 <CoreDump|home> ah, right. sorry ;)
Jun 07 00:27:13 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: no worries. Upon using strace and gdb, where do I proceed?
Jun 07 00:27:53 <CoreDump|home> I have no idea =) If I knew how to fix it, FF would be working already =D
Jun 07 00:33:54 <Laibsch> altboot changes have been pushed
Jun 07 00:33:59 <Laibsch> Enjoy
Jun 07 00:34:31 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: thanks a bunch!
Jun 07 00:44:38 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: lol, I thought you were a dev :-P
Jun 07 00:45:39 <CoreDump|home> I am ;) There are endless ways to hack a distro w/o doing a single line of C
Jun 07 00:46:09 <summatusmentis> lol, true I suppose
Jun 07 00:49:25 * summatusmentis wishes he had more experience in coding
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