**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 11 02:59:57 2007
Jun 11 07:52:50 <goxboxlive> koen: awake?
Jun 11 07:53:32 <goxboxlive> Why is angstrom-minimal-image.bb file in images directory while all the other angstrom images are collected in the angstrom folder in OE repo?
Jun 11 07:53:51 <goxboxlive> Just remember, this is just a question, nothing else.
Jun 11 07:57:40 <hrw> because it is waiting to be renamed to minimal-image
Jun 11 07:58:22 <goxboxlive> hrw, ok.
Jun 11 08:00:33 <prh> I've just posted to the mailling list... but can anyone tell me where hciconfig, hcitool etc have moved to since they are no longer in bluez-utils. Or is that a bug?
Jun 11 08:02:55 <koen> prh: those utils are being deprecated (dbus is the preferred way of managing bluez now) and are in the bluez-utils-compat package
Jun 11 08:03:16 <prh> koen: cheers.
Jun 11 08:03:45 <prh> koen|away: I have to say... removing the command line tools is a really sucky descision by the bluez team. suck suck suck
Jun 11 08:04:46 <koen> you could use dbus-send....
Jun 11 08:05:08 <prh> hmm thats much more complicated
Jun 11 08:05:22 <prh> haven't groked dbus yet :O)
Jun 11 09:31:25 <prh> how does one paste in gpe these days? (xmonobut doesnt seem to work anymore)
Jun 11 09:33:51 <ade|desk> prh: bluetooth keyboard ?
Jun 11 09:34:06 <prh> nope - SLC3100
Jun 11 15:54:52 <CoreDump> hi
Jun 11 16:40:44 <Furre> If anyone needs something tested on the akita let me know ^^
Jun 11 16:44:44 <hrw> got akita?
Jun 11 16:46:40 <Furre> well, not as in a barking creature but as the Z, yes ^^
Jun 11 16:50:34 <summatus[GRAD]> ~akita
Jun 11 16:50:50 <hrw> sl-c1000 or a dog
Jun 11 16:52:33 <summatus[GRAD]> same machine CoreDump has right?
Jun 11 16:52:46 <CoreDump> yeah
Jun 11 16:52:57 <CoreDump> basically a spitz w/o MD
Jun 11 16:53:09 <hrw> rather borzoi w/o MD
Jun 11 16:53:51 <Furrre> :), aye ^^
Jun 11 16:53:52 <CoreDump> terrier
Jun 11 16:54:03 <CoreDump> or borzoi, right =)
Jun 11 16:55:28 <summatus[GRAD]> CoreDump: would you like me to post a bugreport regarding /dev//dev/<device>?
Jun 11 16:55:56 <CoreDump> summatus[GRAD]: No, I'll look into it
Jun 11 16:56:03 <CoreDump> just not this week =)
Jun 11 16:56:05 <summatusmentis> alright
Jun 11 16:56:31 * summatusmentis leaves to go hiking w/ his family
Jun 11 16:56:37 <CoreDump> looks like a cset got lost somewhere
Jun 11 16:56:42 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: have fun =)
Jun 11 16:56:52 <summatusmentis> hrw: building python-pygtk2 now
Jun 11 16:56:57 <summatusmentis> thanks CoreDump 
Jun 11 16:58:02 <CoreDump> Zero_Chaos: if you still need to flash your card on a spitz I could upload modules for the current angstrom kernel somewhere. But I do have the feeling that is not a problem for you ;)
Jun 11 17:02:35 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump: I built me own but thanks.
Jun 11 17:02:50 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump: I can build myself anything I want, the point was to help others ;-(
Jun 11 17:03:37 <CoreDump> of course, just checking
Jun 11 17:04:22 <CoreDump> hrw|gone: does have a good point about the support issue tho
Jun 11 17:05:18 <CoreDump> just look how many lunatics already tried to flash their cards on the ML alone. Most of these didn't sound like they did exactly know what they were doing / riskign
Jun 11 17:05:32 <Zero_Chaos> yeah, that's true
Jun 11 17:06:00 <Zero_Chaos> but that is like refusing to sell guns because someone may shoot themselves in the foot
Jun 11 17:06:20 <Zero_Chaos> we have mke2fs on the image right? so the user could format their system
Jun 11 17:06:25 <Zero_Chaos> that's dangerous too
Jun 11 17:06:27 <koen> refusing to sell guns is actually a good thing
Jun 11 17:06:36 <CoreDump> it is like refusing to sell a gun w/o proper training on gun-usage first =)(
Jun 11 17:06:38 <Zero_Chaos> koen: this was not my point
Jun 11 17:07:10 <koen> actually, they should sell more guns, since my boss would like that
Jun 11 17:07:23 <koen> more guns means more demand for body armour
Jun 11 17:07:26 <CoreDump> if people can make a concious decision whether they wont to risk to brick their WLAN card or not is the problem here
Jun 11 17:08:48 <hvontres|poodle> koen: seen on a bumper sticker the other day: " Buy a sword, there is no waiting period" :)
Jun 11 17:08:50 <CoreDump> that last sentence was terrible eglish
Jun 11 17:13:16 <koen> hvontres|poodle: cute
Jun 11 17:13:57 <koen> since you can't 'accidentally' flash a wifi card I see no big problems with enabling support
Jun 11 17:33:13 <Furre> uhm o.o
Jun 11 17:33:16 <Furre> well that sure was wierd
Jun 11 17:37:20 * Furre restarts client x.x
Jun 11 18:26:14 <prh> /koin #hobo
Jun 11 18:26:25 <prh> that didn't work
Jun 11 18:49:06 * Furre got a cute background on the Z ^^ http://ufos85.mine.nu/zaurus/CuteZ.jpg
Jun 11 21:04:49 <rob_w> koen, how do i determine if my angstrom used the same compiler for kernel then also for the packages ?
Jun 11 21:05:21 <koen> by checking how many compilers are present in tmp/cross/
Jun 11 21:06:26 <rob_w> ls tmp/cross/
Jun 11 21:06:26 <rob_w> armeb-angstrom-linux-gnueabi  bin  include  lib  libexec  share
Jun 11 21:06:39 <rob_w> so only one , right ?
Jun 11 21:06:58 <koen> yes
Jun 11 21:07:25 <rob_w> hmm then something else makes madwifi modules compile themself with strange eabi version 
Jun 11 21:07:47 <rob_w> i saw madwifi uses a Makefile and a Makefile.kernel .. maybe there is the problem
Jun 11 21:11:38 <rob_w> is there a way to tell oe which Makefile to use like make -f MYFILE ?
Jun 11 21:24:13 <rob_w> i can be a annoying persoin 
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