**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 16 02:59:56 2007
Jun 16 09:05:17 <dcordes__> ah hells no my akita baclkight got stuck again after sleep
Jun 16 09:08:50 <dcordes__> filed
Jun 16 09:08:53 <dcordes__> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2495
Jun 16 12:08:38 <mimecar> hi
Jun 16 12:15:03 <mimecar> can I import data on gpe-calendear?
Jun 16 13:20:11 <B0ssman> xfdesktop_4.4.1-r1_armv5te.ipk  seems to be empty
Jun 16 13:20:52 <B0ssman> can anyone confirm that?
Jun 16 13:22:23 <dcordes> wait a second I will try
Jun 16 14:57:20 <nauj27> hi all
Jun 16 14:59:18 <mr_nice> hi all, how can I reduce the size of gpe image for simpad to less than 16 mb. is that possible? I need that to support CL4,WP50 and T-Sinus Pads. 
Jun 16 15:01:18 <nauj27> i'm trying mplayer from angstrom with Akita and only one working vo driver is x11, software rendered... somebody knows if it possible to use another video output faster with this device? 
Jun 16 15:01:49 <koen> -vo help and look for pxa
Jun 16 15:02:08 <nauj27> uhm... pxa.. 
Jun 16 15:02:21 * CoreDump|home couldn't get the pxa thingy to work on his spitz
Jun 16 15:02:37 <nauj27> it's not in list
Jun 16 15:02:52 <koen> which mplaer are you using?
Jun 16 15:03:46 <nauj27> only sdl -> x11 too and others similars... btw, i have installed today from angstrom feed (checking version)
Jun 16 15:03:51 <CoreDump|home> "pxa     PXA 27x Framebuffer"
Jun 16 15:04:06 <nauj27> -O
Jun 16 15:04:12 <koen> try http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/iwmmxt/base/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1-r13_iwmmxt.ipk
Jun 16 15:04:17 <nauj27> i mean..   :-O
Jun 16 15:05:54 <nauj27> 0.0+1.0rc1-r12, thanks koen... i go to try
Jun 16 15:06:51 <B0ssman> koen can you check please xfdesktop_4.4.1-r1_armv5te.ipk seems to be an empty package
Jun 16 15:07:15 <koen> B0ssman: xfce is hrw|gone's area
Jun 16 15:07:20 <CoreDump|home> vo_pxa: config() FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO to fd failed: 22
Jun 16 15:07:22 <B0ssman> kk
Jun 16 15:07:35 <nauj27> uhm...i'm going to the big box, i'm in Akita  with gaim now xD
Jun 16 15:08:47 <CoreDump|home> koen: I take it the "pxa" driver is supposed to work on a spitz?
Jun 16 15:09:04 <koen> that's what XorA|holiday told me
Jun 16 15:09:15 <CoreDump|home> ok, thanks
Jun 16 15:09:20 * CoreDump|home writes a bug-report
Jun 16 15:13:55 <nauj27> just curiosity, what means  iwmmxt?
Jun 16 15:14:39 <mickey|fic> intel wireless multi media extension
Jun 16 15:14:45 <mickey|fic> iirc
Jun 16 15:14:46 <koen> it's an instruction set for a coprocessor found on the pxa270 cpus
Jun 16 15:14:59 <koen> like mmx and sse on x86 cpus
Jun 16 15:15:26 <nauj27> ok thanks :)
Jun 16 15:15:34 <nauj27> both
Jun 16 15:16:57 * nauj27 is mutating...
Jun 16 15:29:59 <summatusmentis> B0ssman: is there a completel xfce4 env, minux the empty xfdesktop package?
Jun 16 15:37:04 <B0ssman> i got the xfce wm started
Jun 16 15:37:12 <B0ssman> but nothing else
Jun 16 15:37:24 <B0ssman> no panel either
Jun 16 15:41:07 <B0ssman> i have been trying to build fbreader for the last day
Jun 16 15:44:35 <nauj27> koen: uhm... vo_pxa: Could not open /dev/fb2, and /dev/fb2 does not exist
Jun 16 15:50:42 * nauj27 investigate later, now have to leave
Jun 16 15:50:54 <nauj27> bye!
Jun 16 16:11:46 <B0ssman> argh anyone got a working build env for angstrom?
Jun 16 16:12:07 <summatus|3200> yeah...
Jun 16 16:12:11 <CoreDump|home> yep
Jun 16 16:12:34 <B0ssman> can you see if you can build fbreader?
Jun 16 16:12:35 <CoreDump|home> but no free cpu cycles ATM
Jun 16 16:13:32 <Laibsch> B0ssman: "bitbake fbreader"?
Jun 16 16:13:38 <summatus|3200> B0ssman, I'll queue it up, but I'm running emerge world right now :-P
Jun 16 16:13:49 <B0ssman> yes
Jun 16 16:13:57 <Laibsch> B0ssman: Just a sec
Jun 16 16:15:21 <summatus|3200> Laibsch, you'll do it? alright
Jun 16 16:15:37 <Laibsch> It is just about whether is compiles or not, right?
Jun 16 16:15:54 <summatus|3200> CoreDump|home, where does altboot set which device it  boots from?
Jun 16 16:16:05 <B0ssman> yes
Jun 16 17:36:25 <daurnimator> could someone please (re)compile parted for the zaurus c3*00
Jun 16 17:36:42 <Laibsch> B0ssman: It compiled fine here
Jun 16 17:36:54 <BabelO> hi
Jun 16 17:37:02 <Laibsch> B0ssman: What was your issue?
Jun 16 17:37:36 <B0ssman> i think it  failed with the dependencies
Jun 16 17:37:41 <daurnimator> Laibsch: care to try parted? ;) the one in the feed may be corrupted....
Jun 16 17:37:44 <B0ssman> never finished
Jun 16 17:37:57 <daurnimator> (at least, parted doesn't work on my machine, and I've tried reinstalling)
Jun 16 17:39:26 <Laibsch> daurnimator: I am only recompiling now
Jun 16 17:39:31 <Laibsch> not uploading stuff
Jun 16 17:40:23 <Laibsch> B0ssman: Wrote a bug report?
Jun 16 17:40:37 <Laibsch> Or can you at least paste what is failing exactly?
Jun 16 17:40:40 <B0ssman> not yet
Jun 16 17:40:51 <Laibsch> what machine?
Jun 16 17:40:57 <Laibsch> I think I was building for collie
Jun 16 17:41:02 <Laibsch> I could try another machine
Jun 16 17:41:15 <Laibsch> But I suspect the result will be the same
Jun 16 17:41:35 <B0ssman> ok let me see 
Jun 16 17:42:50 <B0ssman>         Making x2p stuff
Jun 16 17:42:52 <B0ssman> make[2]: Entering directory `/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-
Jun 16 17:42:54 <B0ssman> gnueabi/perl-5.8.8-r22/perl-5.8.8/x2p'
Jun 16 17:42:55 <B0ssman> You haven't done a "make depend" yet!
Jun 16 17:42:57 <B0ssman> make[2]: *** [hash.o] Error 1
Jun 16 17:43:31 <Laibsch> What machine, what distro?
Jun 16 17:44:24 <B0ssman> ubuntu7.04 in a vmware player 
Jun 16 17:44:44 <Laibsch> hehe
Jun 16 17:45:00 <Laibsch> I meant what device and what distro are you compiling for
Jun 16 17:45:04 <Laibsch> not on ;-)
Jun 16 17:45:18 <B0ssman> c7x0 anstrom
Jun 16 17:46:08 <koen>  /bin/sh is linked to dash
Jun 16 17:46:16 <koen> dpkg-reconfigure dash
Jun 16 17:46:21 <koen> select bash
Jun 16 17:46:46 <Laibsch> koen: Ah, that one again ;-)
Jun 16 17:47:08 <Laibsch> How would you test that in bitbake?
Jun 16 17:47:26 <Laibsch> We should have a security check about that, really.
Jun 16 17:47:33 <koen> I would test it in the perl recipe
Jun 16 17:47:42 <koen> since perl is the only thing that b0rks
Jun 16 17:47:54 <Laibsch> I thought perl was dash-safe now?
Jun 16 17:48:46 <Laibsch> B0ssman: Please do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash"
Jun 16 17:48:54 <B0ssman> already did
Jun 16 17:48:56 <koen> I thought to too, till last week
Jun 16 17:49:10 <Laibsch> OK, good to know
Jun 16 17:49:24 <Laibsch> B0ssman: "bitbake -c rebuild perl-native perl"
Jun 16 17:53:18 <B0ssman> question: if fbreader compiles why isnt it in the feed?
Jun 16 17:56:19 <Laibsch> B0ssman: Because nobody uploaded it ;-)
Jun 16 17:56:26 <Laibsch> Simple answer
Jun 16 17:56:36 <Laibsch> Although not so satisfactory, I assume
Jun 16 17:57:18 <B0ssman> well this way i had to install the build env and i could fix icewm :)
Jun 16 17:59:31 <Laibsch> B0ssman: See, we all do this on purpose ;-)
Jun 16 17:59:42 <Laibsch> What fixes were necessary?
Jun 16 18:00:19 <B0ssman> 1.2.26 cant hadle the xrandr rotation 1.2.30 can
Jun 16 18:00:43 <B0ssman> i just updated the file to compile 1.2.30
Jun 16 18:01:22 <Laibsch> Anything more than renaming the file?
Jun 16 18:01:29 <Laibsch> bb file
Jun 16 18:02:55 <B0ssman> i added --disable-xinerama but i dont think it is nessessary
Jun 16 18:03:37 <Laibsch> I will try compilation and see if I can push it
Jun 16 18:03:45 <Laibsch> Thanks for letting us know
Jun 16 18:04:01 <B0ssman> np
Jun 16 18:06:11 <B0ssman> oh you do need to copy the .26 patches also
Jun 16 18:09:08 <B0ssman> i just find icewm is a lot faster than matchbox
Jun 16 18:11:59 <Laibsch> Sure
Jun 16 18:22:12 <B0ssman> brilliant fbreader comiled
Jun 16 18:27:40 <Laibsch> nice
Jun 16 18:39:23 <summatus|3200> CoreDump, where does the device to boot off of get set in altboot?
Jun 16 18:50:32 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: /etc/altboot.last
Jun 16 19:19:22 <summatusmentis> thanks cdbot2 
Jun 16 19:19:27 <summatusmentis> crap, thanks CoreDump|bbl 
Jun 16 19:44:47 <B0ssman> is it normal that i have 10 dbus-deamon running?
Jun 16 19:45:01 <koen> normally you'd have 2 or 3
Jun 16 19:45:10 <koen> system, session and gnome-vfs
Jun 16 19:48:57 <B0ssman> hmm maybe i shouldnt kill the x server with ctrl alt backspace that often
Jun 16 19:49:06 <B0ssman> seems to add one everytime i do it
Jun 16 20:15:51 <BabelO> hi, how can i hide X cursor in angstrom-x11-image ?
Jun 16 20:16:02 <summatusmentis> BabelO: I've been wondering the same thing
Jun 16 20:16:09 <summatusmentis> eventually you get used to it :-P
Jun 16 20:16:29 <BabelO> summatusmentis: i found how to do it in my old gpe-image ... but now, did not remember
Jun 16 20:16:47 <summatusmentis> in the old OZ images, it was just done
Jun 16 20:16:59 <summatusmentis> I've asked in here a couple of times, during non-busy hours, and noone knew
Jun 16 20:17:05 <mr_nice> Babel0: I have read on the angstrom mailing list that one has to use the transparent theme for it
Jun 16 20:17:07 <BabelO> ok it is in etc/matchbox directory
Jun 16 20:17:25 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|bbl: ping
Jun 16 20:17:39 <summatusmentis> mr_nice: right, but setting the theme is where I have issues
Jun 16 20:17:46 <BabelO> ok found how to do it ;)
Jun 16 20:19:36 <summatusmentis> do tell
Jun 16 20:19:50 <BabelO> edit file etc/matchbox/session
Jun 16 20:20:41 <summatusmentis> which part of it?
Jun 16 20:20:56 <BabelO> edit line matchbox-window-manager and add -use_cursor no at end
Jun 16 20:21:09 <summatusmentis> ah, I see :-)
Jun 16 20:21:17 <summatusmentis> I wouldn't even know where to find that out
Jun 16 20:22:07 <BabelO> ok rebooting to see if it is ok
Jun 16 20:22:43 <summatusmentis> logging out and logging back in didn't do it
Jun 16 20:26:15 <BabelO> summatusmentis: it is ok :)
Jun 16 20:26:23 <BabelO> don't need another theme ;)
Jun 16 20:26:39 <summatusmentis> cool, rebooting now
Jun 16 20:26:42 <summatusmentis> ~praise BabelO 
Jun 16 20:27:19 <BabelO> is someont have minimo build ?
Jun 16 20:28:43 <summatusmentis> it's in the feeds
Jun 16 20:29:37 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: pong
Jun 16 20:30:09 <summatusmentis> I wasn't clear before, I'm looking for where the device itself (/dev/<whatever>) is set
Jun 16 20:31:24 <summatusmentis> BabelO: does it need to be at the very very end? or before $@ ?
Jun 16 20:31:45 <BabelO> before $@
Jun 16 20:31:49 <summatusmentis> ok
Jun 16 20:34:30 <summatusmentis> BabelO: <3
Jun 16 20:39:16 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: in the plugin file itself IIRC
Jun 16 20:41:08 <mr_nice> where can I sign for having no cursor as default in angstrom?
Jun 16 20:45:21 <mr_nice> Is there a community progress for making suggestions and vote for stuff to get it into angstrom? 
Jun 16 20:45:45 <Laibsch> There is the bug tracker
Jun 16 20:46:00 <Laibsch> And angstrom is not a democracy, ask koen ;-)
Jun 16 20:46:22 <summatusmentis> lol, make friends w/ a dev, and if they want to, it'll happen :-P
Jun 16 20:46:35 <Laibsch> Angstrom does not aim to be the most democratic embedded distro, but just simply the best
Jun 16 20:46:58 <summatusmentis> I don't think that's what we agreed on!
Jun 16 20:47:10 <Laibsch> who is we
Jun 16 20:47:12 <summatusmentis> is there a gstreamer feed or something?
Jun 16 20:47:14 <Laibsch> and where?
Jun 16 20:47:16 <Laibsch> and when?
Jun 16 20:47:24 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: joke about democracy, chill out
Jun 16 20:47:27 <summatusmentis> nvm
Jun 16 20:47:42 <Laibsch> I am chilled
Jun 16 20:47:44 <Laibsch> no worry
Jun 16 20:47:54 <summatusmentis> lol
Jun 16 20:47:59 * Laibsch missed the funny part
Jun 16 20:48:11 <summatusmentis> yeah, or my sense of humor just sucks
Jun 16 20:48:15 <summatusmentis> either way, no worrie
Jun 16 20:48:18 <summatusmentis> worries*
Jun 16 20:50:35 <mr_nice> koen: what about having no cursor in gpe as default for angstrom?
Jun 16 20:50:56 * Laibsch points to the bug tracker
Jun 16 20:51:12 <Laibsch> put it there and I am almost sure it will happen
Jun 16 20:51:25 <summatusmentis> mr_nice: Laibsch is right, best way to get things seen is bugtrack them up
Jun 16 20:52:46 <mr_nice> ok thx
Jun 16 20:53:17 <CoreDump> I believe there already is a bug report about it. Newer versions of matchbox are supposed to be able to hide the cursor on their own, but this is broken
Jun 16 20:53:35 <CoreDump> older versions used a transparent theme to hide it
Jun 16 20:54:10 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: well, the one I'm using works w/ BabelO's fix
Jun 16 20:54:17 <summatusmentis> it's just not on by default
Jun 16 20:54:44 * CoreDump reads backlog
Jun 16 20:54:49 <CoreDump> -use_cursor no
Jun 16 20:54:52 <CoreDump> figures
Jun 16 20:58:21 <summatusmentis> mmm, it works
Jun 16 20:58:36 <summatusmentis> is there a gstreamer feed or something? it's not in the ones I've got setup
Jun 16 20:58:46 <mr_nice> ok Bug 2502 created, I was not able to find an allready existing bug for it
Jun 16 21:03:05 <summatusmentis> mr_nice: just fyi, in the future, it helps, if you know how to fix, or have more informtion as to things you've tried, to put this in the bug report
Jun 16 21:03:39 <summatusmentis> I went ahead and gave the fix that BabelO(bless his soul) gave us, but I just thought I'd point that out
Jun 16 21:08:00 <mr_nice> summatusmentis: thx
Jun 16 21:08:14 <summatusmentis> sure thing
Jun 16 21:08:36 <mr_nice> I thought that it was a decition and no bug. 
Jun 16 21:09:34 <summatusmentis> well, yeah, but even still, it makes it easier on the people fixing it, if they have as much info as possible
Jun 16 21:10:26 <mr_nice> thats right
Jun 16 21:10:46 <mr_nice> I will try to do it better next time
Jun 16 21:12:31 <summatusmentis> don't worry about it, just trying to help :-P
Jun 16 21:14:09 <koen> I'll commit the change to gpe-session-scripts once regenerate_caches finishes on my workstation
Jun 16 21:14:38 <mr_nice> :)
Jun 16 21:15:16 <koen> maybe a bit later if I'm feeling PC and only do it for touchscreens
Jun 16 21:17:10 <BabelO> another question, what is gpe software that use gstreamer ?
Jun 16 21:17:51 <CoreDump> koen: I guess you beat me to it
Jun 16 22:03:03 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: you had pidging working earlier right?
Jun 16 22:03:10 <CoreDump> right
Jun 16 22:03:25 <summatusmentis> did you get the aim plugin working?
Jun 16 22:03:43 <CoreDump> I don't have an AIM account so I didn't try
Jun 16 22:03:49 <CoreDump> IRC and ICQ work
Jun 16 22:04:01 <CoreDump> jabber is MIA
Jun 16 22:07:01 * CoreDump notices that "scap" is missing in his rootfs
Jun 16 22:07:41 <Laibsch> scap service is broken AFAIK
Jun 16 22:08:41 <CoreDump> ahh I forgot about the screenshot menu entry
Jun 16 22:09:23 <CoreDump> scap.linuxtogo.org appears to be offline tho
Jun 16 22:10:00 <CoreDump> ok, it isn't. It's just dog-slow
Jun 16 22:10:38 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: yeah, both xmpp and aim plugins installed, but seem to be missing, or something
Jun 16 22:10:55 <koen> export CURSOR_HIDE = '${@base_contains("MACHINE_FEATURES","touchscreen","-use_cursor no","-use_cursor yes",d)}'
Jun 16 22:11:03 <koen> echo -e "exec matchbox-window-manager ${CURSOR_HIDE} \$@ \n" >> ${D}${sysconfdir}/matchbox/session
Jun 16 22:11:11 <koen> in your OE repo tomorrow :)
Jun 16 22:11:41 <CoreDump> koen: yay
Jun 16 22:12:49 <summatusmentis> koen: I don't understand what happened there, except that you fixed the cursor issue :-P
Jun 16 22:12:54 <summatusmentis> mr_nice will love you forever
Jun 16 22:14:44 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: AIM can be selected as an IM protocol when adding a new account
Jun 16 22:16:03 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: not here... I've only got IRC
Jun 16 22:16:20 <CoreDump> tried restarting X after installing the plugin?
Jun 16 22:16:34 <summatusmentis> nope, hold on
Jun 16 22:16:38 * CoreDump wished firefox would work =(
Jun 16 22:16:54 <summatusmentis> you're using libpurple-protocol-aim right?
Jun 16 22:17:06 <CoreDump> right
Jun 16 22:17:18 <summatusmentis> hrm
Jun 16 22:17:33 <summatusmentis> noones fixed firefox yet? :-/
Jun 16 22:18:00 <CoreDump> no :\
Jun 16 22:18:30 * CoreDump tries to compile xchat
Jun 16 22:20:45 <CoreDump> xchat fails QA meh
Jun 16 22:20:54 <summatusmentis> I don't wanna have to compile the aim plugin on my own :-/ here's hoping the reboot(instead of log out) works
Jun 16 22:21:01 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: really?
Jun 16 22:21:23 <CoreDump> ERROR: QA Issue: non debug package contains .debug directory
Jun 16 22:21:32 <summatusmentis> huh...
Jun 16 22:21:35 * CoreDump is too tired to look at it
Jun 16 22:21:40 <summatusmentis> iirc, it worked when I built it
Jun 16 22:23:11 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: for some reason the libpurple-protocol-aim in the feeds isn't there
Jun 16 22:23:19 * summatusmentis goes to build it once xchat dies
Jun 16 22:24:08 <summatusmentis> or rather, it installs, but the aim protocol isn't available
Jun 16 22:33:48 <CoreDump> that is one of the reasons I avoid using pre-built feeds when using a self-compiled image
Jun 16 22:34:03 <summatusmentis> well, it's a pre-built image too :-P
Jun 16 22:34:38 <summatusmentis> I tried compiling an image, and it borked my NAND
Jun 16 22:35:28 <CoreDump> no problems here
Jun 16 22:37:09 <summatusmentis> it was a while ago, and now I've got a working image, so I'm not screwing w/ that too much, might've been the kernel that did it, I don't know
Jun 16 22:38:26 <summatusmentis> 3201? does it have bluetooth/wifi? :-P
Jun 16 22:45:33 <CoreDump|3201> hehe
Jun 16 22:45:47 <CoreDump|3201> ask pidgin
Jun 16 22:47:48 <summatusmentis> lol, pidgin doesn't like 3200?
Jun 16 22:49:20 <CoreDump> It sometimes does a "+1" for whatever reasons
Jun 16 22:57:59 <summatusmentis> hrm.. weird
Jun 16 22:58:35 * summatusmentis leaves
Jun 16 23:03:29 <CoreDump> n8
Jun 16 23:47:41 <adminjs>  .
Jun 16 23:55:39 <polyonymous> .
Jun 17 00:12:46 <miip>     .    |
Jun 17 02:02:06 <slapin_nb> hi, is IMAGE_LINGUAS supposed to work with angstrom?
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