**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 02:59:56 2007 Jun 19 06:41:31 morning all Jun 19 07:52:51 does kdrive have an option to ingore the event which unsets the screensaver ? Jun 19 09:59:54 could somebody help me installing to the SD card of my c1000 Jun 19 10:00:03 I can't find any information on that Jun 19 10:02:04 I already have altboot set up but can't find out how to put the system on SD Jun 19 10:06:31 dcordes: Can you compile yourself? Jun 19 10:06:43 Not strictly a necessity, but would make things easier Jun 19 10:07:08 Laibsch, I've got the OE enivornment set up Jun 19 10:07:45 Cool Jun 19 10:07:57 Laibsch, I really wouldn't ask if I was able to find information on the topic. Somebody pointed me to the OZ wiki but I can't find instructions there Jun 19 10:08:45 ../build/angstrom/conf/local.conf:IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar.gz ext2.gz" Jun 19 10:08:45 ../build/angstrom/conf/local.conf:IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_ext2 = "204800" Jun 19 10:08:54 You will want ext2 images Jun 19 10:09:16 I make them ext2 so they are smaller. but then you need to uncompress them before placing them on the SD Jun 19 10:09:39 Rename them like they were named under OZ and you should be all set Jun 19 10:09:51 That is what I was told but did not have the time yet to try myself Jun 19 10:09:57 Let me know if it works Jun 19 10:09:58 Laibsch, so jffs2 gives me one file? (is that the "loop image" altboot is looking for?) Jun 19 10:12:40 Laibsch, /build/angstrom/ is not present Jun 19 10:13:07 no, ext2 Jun 19 10:13:09 as I said Jun 19 10:13:30 I should have said "I make them ext2.gz" Jun 19 10:13:49 you extract that to ext2, rename and copy to SD Jun 19 10:13:55 That should be all that is necessary Jun 19 10:14:11 ok but I can't find that conf file Jun 19 10:14:19 conf/local/conf Jun 19 10:14:24 conf/local.conf Jun 19 10:14:50 /build/angstrom is just where Laibsch does his builds Jun 19 10:18:24 ok modified the conf Jun 19 10:19:11 and now I want bitbake angstrom-x11-image ? Jun 19 10:19:22 yup Jun 19 10:19:31 where did that go when it's done? Jun 19 10:19:45 in your deploy dir Jun 19 10:19:49 subdir images Jun 19 10:19:50 tmp/deploy/glibc/images/akita/*.ext2.gz Jun 19 10:19:54 ok Jun 19 10:20:05 oh something important I forgot.. Jun 19 10:20:11 good morning ^^ Jun 19 10:28:41 XorA, did you try building sir fred's Jun 19 10:28:48 gpe-snes? Jun 19 10:29:26 terrier-feed/gpe-snes_0.2-r0_armv5te.ipk Jun 19 10:32:36 ok I will try that after my build and flash are finished. Did you test it yet? Jun 19 10:32:41 o Jun 19 10:32:43 no Jun 19 11:14:51 <_law_> XorA, your howto only works on Zs with hd ? Jun 19 11:19:35 _law_: it will work more or less on anything where Angstrom / is not in NAND flash Jun 19 11:20:00 _law_: just miss out the preparing of the HD bits Jun 19 11:20:29 <_law_> XorA, ok thanks Jun 19 11:21:10 _law_: the principle is put Angstrom somewhere else, boot angstrom kerel then boot sharp kernel that is fixed to run everthing from flash Jun 19 11:54:03 Sorry for off-topic. Any suggestions for a video chat protocol with good clients for both Linux and Windows, NAT traversal and the possibility to store the video and audio in a log file? Jun 19 11:56:31 Laibsch: I was all fine until the storing in the log file bit Jun 19 12:09:56 What do you mean? Jun 19 12:10:06 xora? Jun 19 12:10:20 Oh, I understood Jun 19 12:10:25 Well, without the log file? Jun 19 12:10:30 What is your suggestion? Jun 19 12:11:18 I have used msn or yahoo cant remeber which with a client in linux called something like epigia Jun 19 12:11:28 * XorA cant remeber the exact name Jun 19 12:12:12 ekiga, but that one stinks Jun 19 12:12:19 telepathy ftw Jun 19 12:12:19 Laibsch: I hacked up one of the YIM clients ages ago to dump the video stream (well, JPEG2000 frames) to disk, but it wasn't anything special Jun 19 12:19:37 film your monitor with a webcam and capture that using mencoder (while monitor is on a wooden table of course) Jun 19 12:25:58 koen: telepathy is in OE so that gets bonus points ;-) but I cannot see a Windows client Jun 19 12:27:42 Oh, forgot one additional requirement. at least three parties to a conference possible. Jun 19 12:29:09 Not sure if ekiga could do that (stinking or not) Jun 19 12:29:16 http://snapshots.seconix.com/win32.php does not sound encouraging Jun 19 12:31:34 * XorA misses good old ytalk Jun 19 12:32:42 But since Ekiga is SIP, any SIP client would also do Jun 19 12:32:49 for Windows Jun 19 12:40:03 Laibsch: http://gyachi.sourceforge.net/ was one I was thinking of that does yahoo protocol Jun 19 12:41:33 gyach? Is it still alive? I think pidgin should do, anyway. Jun 19 12:41:54 or do you mean it supports video? Jun 19 12:41:56 polyonymous: pidgin gained gaim-vv functionality? Jun 19 12:42:13 polyonymous: it supports video Jun 19 12:42:14 polyonymous: pidgin does no video Jun 19 12:42:17 AFAIK Jun 19 12:42:29 gaim-vv seems to have died Jun 19 12:42:30 it doesn't Jun 19 12:42:35 ah Jun 19 12:42:40 telepathy ftw Jun 19 12:43:10 koen: you keep saying that, but the website only says it can talk to a jabber server once a month or so :-D Jun 19 12:43:24 koen: so its next to useless as there is no docs Jun 19 12:43:40 XorA: gychi looks interesting, thank you Jun 19 12:43:41 XorA: Jun 19 12:43:55 XorA: there are docs, since that was a requirement of the nokia contract Jun 19 12:44:13 the nokia tablets on OLPC use it for videoconferencing Jun 19 12:44:25 and with telepathy-sip you do do well, sip :) Jun 19 12:44:41 koen: Windows? Jun 19 12:45:13 doesn't netmeeting do SIP? Jun 19 12:45:35 i Jun 19 12:45:43 hi ^^ Jun 19 12:48:27 koen: netmeeting is h263 Jun 19 12:50:30 koen: there doesnt seem to be a telepathy using client that does voice and video Jun 19 12:50:46 koen: at least not one that claims to on their pages Jun 19 12:50:50 uhm... hi, amsn is able to log video and work in Windows, but.. not voice support afaik... Jun 19 12:52:56 btw, i see there are windows version for ekiga (http://ekiga.org/index.php?rub=5&path=windows/windows) Jun 19 12:57:32 why was asking about msn and pidgin? Jun 19 12:57:34 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/~koen/pidgin_h2200.png Jun 19 12:58:22 koen, no the question was about pidgin and video Jun 19 12:58:47 nauj27: It seems the windows version of ekiga is not so stable. see the URL I posted earlier Jun 19 12:59:24 Laibsch: I wasn't referring to that conversation, but to one last week Jun 19 12:59:39 Laibsch: Oops! I don't read it all ^_^ Jun 19 13:00:44 * nauj27 see also beta word in download link... Jun 19 13:01:11 koen: OK Jun 19 13:01:39 nauj27: Any relation to anything Japanese? Jun 19 13:01:46 Laibsch: your gonna end up with skype video :-) Jun 19 13:04:15 Laibsch: I'm not sure to understand you... Jun 19 13:06:42 ^_^ Jun 19 13:06:46 that is why I asked Jun 19 13:07:05 XorA: Does Skype work on Linux? Jun 19 13:07:15 Laibsch: ordinary skype certainly did Jun 19 13:07:24 Laibsch: I havent tried the newer video skype Jun 19 13:07:24 I have to admit, I'm probably the only Linux party, but I control the technology :-D Jun 19 13:07:43 The version of Skype I have on Linux did not AFAIK Jun 19 13:07:49 I will give it a shot Jun 19 13:14:35 I think the lastest skype 1.4 beta still lacks video on linux. Jun 19 13:14:41 perhaps using wine :)) Jun 19 13:15:18 Laibsch, are you talking about skype on OE? Jun 19 13:15:33 i'm very intersted in voip on my zaurus Jun 19 13:15:36 ouch, dcordes :) Jun 19 13:15:38 no, that will never work Jun 19 13:15:46 why ouch? Jun 19 13:15:52 on i586 maybe Jun 19 13:15:52 unless skype opens up their sources Jun 19 13:16:08 dcordes: Oe compiles from source Jun 19 13:16:11 oh I thought the linux version was oss Jun 19 13:16:17 no Jun 19 13:16:20 binary onla Jun 19 13:16:26 and a sucky binary Jun 19 13:16:28 yes that far I already got laibsch :) Jun 19 13:16:46 well that's a pitty Jun 19 13:16:53 how about different voip clients? Jun 19 13:17:09 there are a couple in OE Jun 19 13:17:31 and no 64bit version too. Jun 19 13:17:32 proper SIP clients Jun 19 13:17:32 in which section can I find them? Jun 19 13:17:55 dcordes: Good question. You'll basically have to know them as things are not well organized Jun 19 13:18:00 minisip I remember Jun 19 13:18:09 ok Jun 19 13:18:17 Just look for the stuff you have on linux and see if there is a package available Jun 19 13:18:46 are there modules for usb headsets in the kernel? Jun 19 13:20:13 or ist it possible to have a microphone and speaker at the same time on the zauri? Jun 19 13:22:45 dcordes: yes Jun 19 13:23:05 XorA, both yes ? Jun 19 13:23:25 dcordes: the jack has capability of using a headset, I think mic is on left, speaker on right Jun 19 13:24:06 dcordes: run alsamixer and look for the Jack Funcion control Jun 19 13:24:11 XorA, I have such a doubble connector that makes 2 jacks out of one. do you mean such a thing? Jun 19 13:24:26 dcordes: no, like nokia headsets Jun 19 13:24:46 XorA, ? Jun 19 13:25:20 XorA: I think you missed the USB part Jun 19 13:25:40 Laibsch: I think you missed the "or" part Jun 19 13:25:51 yea Jun 19 13:26:07 dcordes: old nokia headsets had a standard jack on the end, what would have been the left headphone is actually a mic Jun 19 13:26:07 ^^ if I can have the normal jack thing I can spare me the usb Jun 19 13:26:31 dcordes: I cant remeber the exact wiring on the Zaurus, but it is capable Jun 19 13:26:40 alright Jun 19 13:26:51 dcordes: probably a question for oesf.org Jun 19 13:27:01 ok I will check there Jun 19 13:27:08 and about the usb thing? Jun 19 13:27:21 dcordes: not uses a usb headset Jun 19 13:27:27 s/uses/used/ Jun 19 13:30:58 /amsg bye! Jun 19 13:31:00 Oops Jun 19 13:31:02 XorA: indeed ;-) Jun 19 13:31:02 bye! ;) Jun 19 13:34:07 Laibsch: back to boolean school for you :-D Jun 19 13:36:28 missed class this morning! Jun 19 13:36:32 literally! Jun 19 13:36:40 non-classical logic. Jun 19 13:36:45 Ever heard of that? Jun 19 13:36:55 where do you study? Jun 19 13:36:57 sounds like one of those arty farty courses Jun 19 13:37:12 XorA: Well, it certainly won't get you a job Jun 19 13:37:12 like Moral Philosophy Jun 19 13:37:22 But I find it very interesting Jun 19 13:37:27 lol, XorA you're a BS then? Jun 19 13:37:36 BS? Jun 19 13:37:37 engineering maybe? Jun 19 13:37:42 Well, moral philosophy is probably fluff talk and a lot of feeling Jun 19 13:37:46 Bachelor of Science(at least in the states) Jun 19 13:37:51 summatusmentis: BEng Jun 19 13:37:52 logic is math^2 Jun 19 13:38:15 proving provability and "what can be known" in syntactically correct terms Jun 19 13:38:17 XorA: yeah, ok, in the states it'd be a BS in Eng Jun 19 13:38:17 ;-) Jun 19 13:38:37 BSc? Jun 19 13:38:46 Bachelor of Engineering in Information Systems Engineering Jun 19 13:38:58 koen: yeah, Bachelor of Science Jun 19 13:39:35 XorA: yeah, that == Bachelor of Science in Information Systems Engineering Jun 19 13:39:53 summatusmentis: BS in anything computing wise is shit in the UK Jun 19 13:40:01 summatusmentis: only worth pissing on most of the time Jun 19 13:40:19 you have three degrees then? Jun 19 13:40:25 BA BS BEng? Jun 19 13:41:40 BA is what the rich kids in the UK do, coz they are too stupid to think Jun 19 13:41:56 Bachelor in aarts? Jun 19 13:41:58 -a Jun 19 13:42:23 koen: yes Jun 19 13:42:43 XorA: :-P BA is probably as prominent, but not for tech things, sciences etc. Jun 19 13:42:56 aka "Welfare-bound degree" Jun 19 13:43:11 BS is usually math, sciences, computers, engineering Jun 19 13:43:34 BA is usually history, english, art, other languages, stuff like tat Jun 19 13:43:36 that* Jun 19 13:43:37 summatusmentis: in uk it breaks down like this, BA - you read about doing some work, BS - you learned the math to do some work, BEng - you learned to do the work Jun 19 13:44:02 lol, at least you don't have any opinions on the matter :-P Jun 19 13:45:17 summatusmentis: I know noooothinnnng Jun 19 13:45:52 XorA: ? Jun 19 13:46:05 summatusmentis: Fawlty Towers quote Jun 19 13:46:18 * summatusmentis has never heard of Fawlty Towers Jun 19 13:46:50 XorA: turnips! Jun 19 13:47:33 * summatusmentis leaves to go cut down stupid tree things Jun 19 16:20:23 hello Jun 19 16:21:20 A one easy question: how to add more apps inside image? Jun 19 16:22:35 I guess I should add variable in local.conf... Jun 19 18:09:39 CoreDump|afk: FYI, xchat just finished building for me, don't know if that's because of you or not Jun 19 18:23:06 hells naw Jun 19 18:23:18 4 ours of building gone just because of no space left Jun 19 18:32:22 it sucks, I know Jun 19 18:37:26 what makes my OE folder bigger than 5gb Jun 19 18:40:33 tmp/work, most likely Jun 19 18:41:10 NAbyss, is there anyway to get rid of everything which is not required for build? Jun 19 18:41:34 I mean all things I produced in the past Jun 19 18:42:02 dcordes: rm -rf tmp/work? A single image will likely take >5gb though.. angstrom-x11-image for my spitz takes ~8gb Jun 19 18:42:18 * koen hints at rm_work.bbclass Jun 19 18:42:23 If you do nuke tmp/work, make sure you nuke the appropriate stamps too. Jun 19 18:42:54 Anyways.. back to Win32 masochism. Jun 19 18:49:38 dcordes: in case you didn't catch koen Jun 19 18:51:08 koen's hint, if you add INHERIT+="rm_work"(I think it's INHERIT, might be something else) to local.conf, it'll remove all the work you did Jun 19 18:51:18 compile times will be longer, but you'll save space at the end Jun 19 18:51:32 unless you ran out of space running your first bitbake command Jun 19 21:34:06 Is the touchscreen not working a known issue with the htcuniversal? Jun 19 22:16:17 hi Jun 19 22:16:31 summatusmentis: I didn't touch it ;) Jun 19 22:29:44 yo CoreDump|home Jun 19 23:54:04 CoreDump|home: well, I don't know who did, but it's working now :-D Jun 20 00:59:44 wow... it's quiet in here Jun 20 01:00:26 * CoreDump|afk points out that it is around 3am in europe Jun 20 01:01:01 fair enough Jun 20 01:01:04 NOTE: package xchat-2.6.1: completed =) Jun 20 01:01:08 lol Jun 20 01:01:11 YAY!!! Jun 20 01:01:40 indeed Jun 20 01:01:46 CoreDump|afk: what are the two vars I need to set to run a collie image build? Jun 20 01:01:59 hmm Jun 20 01:03:13 one had to do w/ oabi vs eabi Jun 20 01:03:20 and I think the other was just the machine target Jun 20 01:03:33 no clue :\ Jun 20 01:03:52 hrm.. ok Jun 20 01:04:06 polyonymous: do you have a collie by any chance? Jun 20 01:04:17 wait, CoreDump|afk why the hell are you still up at 3am? Jun 20 01:05:09 late shift Jun 20 01:05:22 really late shift... ouch Jun 20 01:05:56 I kinda like it ;) Jun 20 01:06:04 really? Jun 20 01:07:56 yep Jun 20 01:08:10 I'd hate it... I like my sleep :-D Jun 20 01:09:47 heh Jun 20 01:11:12 CoreDump|afk: any idea on amount of space needed for a collie image? Jun 20 01:11:28 not exactly no Jun 20 01:12:04 I'm gonna need to rebuild everything for the collie anyway... Jun 20 01:12:06 btw, the xchat ipk is empty Jun 20 01:12:17 it's empty? why does OE do that? Jun 20 01:12:22 * summatusmentis nukes tmp Jun 20 01:14:29 summatusmentis: rebuilding xchat from scratch dies w/ QA error again ;) Jun 20 01:15:40 so... it's empty because it picked up where i left off? Jun 20 01:16:34 exactly Jun 20 01:19:37 hrm... that's annoying Jun 20 01:21:28 CoreDump|afk: any chance you've looked at /dev//dev/ error? Jun 20 01:21:36 not to be a pest Jun 20 01:22:44 not yet sorry Jun 20 01:23:07 hahl Jun 20 01:23:20 well, w/o "l" Jun 20 01:23:30 xchat is defeated Jun 20 01:25:45 you fixed it? Jun 20 01:25:54 or is this pidgin? Jun 20 01:26:19 I pushed the fix Jun 20 01:26:32 cool Jun 20 01:26:40 xchat rocks Jun 20 01:27:01 that it does :-) my GPE experience is complete, that was my one complaint Jun 20 01:27:07 bad IRC client Jun 20 01:27:12 heh Jun 20 01:27:27 well, mine is lacking a working Firefox Jun 20 01:27:30 actually no, when wifi-radar and mb-wireless-applet don't segfault, then it will be :-P Jun 20 01:27:51 minimo works just fine for me, I think firefox is still too big for the terrier screen Jun 20 01:28:26 is there a way to find the list of image build targets? Jun 20 01:28:57 not really. images/* should contain most of the valid targets though Jun 20 01:30:02 mickey|fic: under which dir? Jun 20 01:30:27 hey mickey|fic Jun 20 01:30:34 up early huh? Jun 20 01:30:39 hey CoreDump|afk , up late? Jun 20 01:30:40 heh Jun 20 01:30:43 nvm, found it Jun 20 01:30:44 heh Jun 20 01:30:48 CoreDump|afk: well, 09:30 here Jun 20 01:30:59 mickey|fic: I know ;) +6hrs Jun 20 01:31:27 ya, only 4 days left until i'm going back, so trying to make efficient use of the remaining time Jun 20 01:31:41 by sitting on irc :-P Jun 20 01:31:51 right Jun 20 01:31:53 hehe Jun 20 01:32:12 darn, images/* doesn't have the collie *-oabi file(or something, I can't remember what it's called) Jun 20 01:32:29 summatusmentis: "find" is your friend Jun 20 01:32:53 CoreDump|afk: of course :-P I always forget Jun 20 01:32:59 note to self: fbreader needs some serious unb0rking on VGA Zs Jun 20 01:33:35 the issue w/ find is that I always forget to updatedb, so I have to run that first Jun 20 01:34:54 ? Jun 20 01:35:12 you mean locate or something. find does not use a db Jun 20 01:35:23 crap :-/ Jun 20 01:35:29 I'm confused, you're right Jun 20 01:37:24 no "oabi" files in sight ;) Jun 20 01:38:43 time for bed, gn8! Jun 20 01:39:50 goodnight CoreDump|afk Jun 20 01:41:17 n8 CoreDump|afk **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 20 02:59:58 2007