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Jul 13 04:17:18 <joshin> Is the testing build for the Nokia 770 completely independent of the Nokia firmware?  I have a 770 that I can test Angstrom on but didn't see any info on the port on the wiki.
Jul 13 05:09:42 <Rekoil> i was told yesterday that angstrom didnt work on the h3800
Jul 13 05:09:54 <Rekoil> what would happen if i tried installing it
Jul 13 05:09:58 <Rekoil> i can revert right?
Jul 13 05:33:55 <Rekoil> which flash do i use
Jul 13 05:34:15 <Rekoil> angstrom-console-image, angstron-minimalist-image, console-image or minimalist-image
Jul 13 05:57:46 <Rekoil> ok i believe you
Jul 13 05:57:48 <Rekoil> it doesnt work
Jul 13 05:57:51 <Rekoil> :(
Jul 13 05:58:06 <Rekoil> [ 0.840000] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkno
Jul 13 05:58:06 <Rekoil> wn-block(2,0)
Jul 13 10:23:55 <XorA> yo koen|edinburgh 
Jul 13 10:24:14 <koen|edinburgh> why do people keep requesting crap like ipkg-utils?
Jul 13 10:24:16 <koen|edinburgh> hey XorA 
Jul 13 10:25:01 <XorA> ahah steroe NIN finally
Jul 13 10:25:23 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: since you hid, we fixed autoconf 2.61
Jul 13 10:25:39 <koen|edinburgh> cool
Jul 13 10:25:58 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: I booted an image built with it this morning, no issues
Jul 13 10:26:05 <xjqian> koen: then what's the alternative to ipkg-utils?
Jul 13 10:26:19 <koen|edinburgh> xjqian: root-on-{sd,cf}
Jul 13 10:26:21 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: and I built gnumeric, abiword, evince, epdfview, gstramer, minimo etc etc :-)
Jul 13 10:27:17 <xjqian> koen: this is just work around, not solution
Jul 13 10:27:35 <xjqian> koen: what if I want to use SD slot for file transfer
Jul 13 10:27:51 <XorA> unionfs/uifs is the solution
Jul 13 10:28:04 <XorA> a read only union of /mnt/*/packages on /
Jul 13 10:28:13 <koen|edinburgh> xjqian: what happens if there's a glibc update in the feeds and you install somehing to SD
Jul 13 10:28:28 <koen|edinburgh> you take out the SD and suddenly you have no libc6.so anymore
Jul 13 10:28:45 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: packages always upgrade to the location they originally installed
Jul 13 10:28:57 <koen|edinburgh> not when I tried it
Jul 13 10:29:11 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: always have here, if not, its a new breakage in ipkg
Jul 13 10:30:41 <xjqian> XorA: unionfs? that's something new to me. have to look it up
Jul 13 10:35:39 <xjqian> Koen: well, what's the release plan. / + crappy ipkg-utils, or root-on-{sd,cf}, or unionfs/uifs
Jul 13 10:35:40 <XorA> the thing with that is if you get it working right, you can get udev to mount/umount the union of card insert/eject
Jul 13 10:36:23 <xjqian> Koen: this is not something left for users to decide, need to find a best solution
Jul 13 10:37:33 <koen|edinburgh> for now (for devices with keyboard): install altboot, boot from sd/cf/nfs
Jul 13 10:38:03 <koen|edinburgh> for later: seperate 'releases' (kernels) for root-on-{sd,cf,nfs}
Jul 13 10:38:11 <koen|edinburgh> in the long run: unionfs
Jul 13 10:39:59 <XorA> xjqian: ipkg-link is just a bash script, so feel free to use it on your own back, but its also a nasty mess and fscks up on regularly
Jul 13 10:40:12 <xjqian> Koen: ok, sounds good to me
Jul 13 10:40:17 <XorA> just dont complain to us :-D
Jul 13 10:41:21 <xjqian> XorA: yeah, i know the reputation of ipkg-link
Jul 13 10:42:50 <XorA> xjqian: of course if you have super wizzy coder skillz and turn it into a super duper app, then we might be happier :-)
Jul 13 13:53:07 <joshin> (I asked this last night but figured that almost everyone was sleeping)  Is the testing build for the Nokia 770 completely independent of the Nokia firmware?  I have a 770 that I can test Angstrom on but didn't see any info on the port on the wiki.
Jul 13 13:56:17 <psokolovsky> joshin: until someone else with more 770 experience surfaces, you kinda flash it, et voila. level of support is kinda unknown (for outsiders at least) though, so you'd better boot it from secondary storage.
Jul 13 13:57:37 <koen|edinburgh> joshin: AFAIK it only needs the initfs partition present
Jul 13 13:57:51 <joshin> Thanks psokolovsky & koen|edinburgh.
Jul 13 13:58:47 <joshin> Cool, I'll dust off my old Collie and toss Angstrom on it and then try it on the 770 after getting dual boot setup.  
Jul 13 13:59:25 <joshin> It will be nice to have one package repository for my Zaurus, NSLU2, WRT54g and 770.
Jul 13 14:02:06 <psokolovsky> joshin: that's the aim ;-)
Jul 13 14:03:48 <joshin> :)  All I know is that I find maemo rather annoying.  Having >14 repositories on my 770 is anoying.
Jul 13 14:05:02 <XorA> you can always run angstrom in a debian chroot, using x11vnc under Xvnc under Xnest
Jul 13 14:05:15 <XorA> or what ever those crazy guys thought on next
Jul 13 14:07:42 <joshin> XorA: yeah.  I do that with a Gentoo chroot on my slugos NSLU2 since my second NSLU2 runs gentoo on a slugos kernel (and is running this irssi session).  Yes, I know...I'm one of those crazy guys.  
Jul 13 14:08:39 <XorA> joshin: nothing wrong with chroots, there was just a bunch of people with about 3 different layers of X indirection happening when they could have just done DISPLAY=:0 in the chroot
Jul 13 14:09:39 <joshin> Yup, well that and a couple of creative mount commands
Jul 13 14:16:49 <Crofton> anyone using Angstrom on Efika?
Jul 13 14:19:06 <koen|edinburgh> Crofton: yes, but its a few 100km away right now
Jul 13 14:19:15 <Crofton> heh
Jul 13 14:19:19 <Crofton> ever use sound?
Jul 13 14:19:59 <koen|edinburgh> once, about 3 kernel versions ago :)
Jul 13 14:20:02 <Crofton> heh
Jul 13 14:20:07 <koen|edinburgh> likewise should know about it
Jul 13 14:20:10 <Crofton> I do not think it loads the modules
Jul 13 14:20:16 <Crofton> yeah, he hasn't been around
Jul 13 14:21:16 <Crofton> Johan Bruyneel is blaming the french for an accident with one of the Discovery guys in the tour :)
Jul 13 15:08:50 <PITABoy> how do i scan for wifi
Jul 13 15:10:38 <TheX1le> iwlist "devicename" scan
Jul 13 15:11:15 <PITABoy> i ment with a gui
Jul 13 15:15:07 <psokolovsky> write gui first? ;-)
Jul 13 15:16:06 <TheX1le> no gui is ever going to be as usefull as the commandline
Jul 13 15:16:13 <PITABoy> true
Jul 13 15:16:25 <PITABoy> i am going to try to install wifiradar
Jul 13 15:16:41 <TheX1le> i much prefer kismet
Jul 13 15:16:48 <TheX1le> when it comes to looking for wifi
Jul 13 15:16:54 <TheX1le> or airodump
Jul 13 15:16:57 <PITABoy> wifi radar allows you to connect though
Jul 13 15:17:09 <PITABoy> i will get kismet once i have a working connection
Jul 13 15:17:39 <TheX1le> what pda are you using?
Jul 13 15:17:47 <PITABoy> h4150
Jul 13 15:18:17 <TheX1le> is that an ipaq or a brand im not familiar with?
Jul 13 15:18:40 <PITABoy> ipaq
Jul 13 15:18:51 <TheX1le> ah i have an h5455
Jul 13 15:19:09 <PITABoy> oh
Jul 13 15:26:31 <noglitch> koen|edinburgh: Hi koen. nice to meet you on irc
Jul 13 15:27:40 <koen|edinburgh> hey noglitch 
Jul 13 15:27:50 <noglitch> koen|edinburgh:  I have updated my angstrom repository to include latest at91sam9263 changes and, it worked out of the box
Jul 13 15:28:05 <noglitch> koen|edinburgh: very good :-)
Jul 13 15:29:04 <noglitch> koen|edinburgh: good colors ;-) (x and gpe)
Jul 13 15:30:29 <koen|edinburgh> there are some patches for mplayer and evas to support BGR, haven't had time to test them yet
Jul 13 15:31:16 <noglitch> hey, mplayer that interets me ! 
Jul 13 15:31:18 <XorA> gah all these toys other people have
Jul 13 15:31:54 <koen|edinburgh> XorA: you have zylonite and mx31ads toys
Jul 13 15:32:30 <XorA> zylonite and mx31 suck ass
Jul 13 15:32:39 * koen|edinburgh should poke mallum about zylonites again
Jul 13 15:33:34 <noglitch> koen|edinburgh: mplayer for fbdev video output you mean (x should be ok)
Jul 13 15:33:50 <koen|edinburgh> for both I think
Jul 13 15:41:38 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: now it bloody rains :-(
Jul 13 15:41:41 * XorA has no coar
Jul 13 15:41:46 <XorA> s/coar/coat/
Jul 13 15:43:03 <Darth_Wa1er> rains where?
Jul 13 15:43:15 <XorA> Scotland
Jul 13 15:43:22 <XorA> which is a peice of redundant info
Jul 13 15:44:13 <Darth_Wa1er> i`m was unaware of your city/country :)
Jul 13 15:48:17 <koen|edinburgh> XorA: can you see unregistered PMs?
Jul 13 15:48:26 <XorA> koen|edinburgh: no
Jul 13 15:57:04 * XorA goes to brave the acid rain
Jul 13 16:09:07 <noglitch> koen: ok, mplayer is only configured for fbdev, and indeed, it has swapped colors
Jul 13 16:23:36 <summatusmentis> what is the task for all the 'full' versions of system utils?
Jul 13 16:38:48 <koen> task-proper-tools
Jul 13 16:39:39 <summatusmentis> thanks koen 
Jul 13 17:31:49 <dcordes_> what's a good price for a nslu2 device?
Jul 13 17:32:53 <koen> $80
Jul 13 18:02:53 <Anon0929> is the angstrom feed down?
Jul 13 18:11:03 <dcordes_> bye ppl
Jul 13 18:24:43 <mimecar> hi guys
Jul 13 18:41:06 <mimecar> hi Crofton
Jul 13 18:41:22 <Crofton> hi
Jul 13 21:04:03 <mimecar> re
Jul 13 21:21:35 <Darth_Wa1er> grrr
Jul 13 21:21:45 <Darth_Wa1er> v4l/v4l2+flashplayer == suxx
Jul 13 21:50:39 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jul 13 23:52:58 <dcordes> good morning
Jul 14 02:03:29 <ultaniu1> does nmap work on ne1 elses zaurus?
Jul 14 02:04:50 <ultaniu1> mine just sits there showing nothing
Jul 14 02:41:34 <NAbyss> Try -v?
Jul 14 02:48:21 <ultaniu1> yep, and -vv too, both with a wireless and net card, just sits there
Jul 14 02:52:50 <ultaniu1> i just ran -A -O -sV -T5 localhost and it just sits there showing nothing at all
Jul 14 02:54:02 <NAbyss> Weird
Jul 14 02:54:23 <ultaniu1> added a -v to that and got replies, let me scan my local net..
Jul 14 02:55:42 <ultaniu1> nothing...
Jul 14 02:56:46 <NAbyss> Disable dns resolution?
Jul 14 02:59:54 <ultaniu1> -n -A -O -T5 -vv 192.168.1.0/24 just stalls
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