**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 18 02:59:59 2007 Jul 18 08:32:29 hi, i have a question Jul 18 08:33:09 i followed the guide to build angstrom, now i have a jffs2 image what should i do to load it on my h3970 Jul 18 09:22:50 is altboot compatible with ipaqs ? Jul 18 09:38:17 psokolovsky_: hi, perhaps u could help me (i ve seen that u re the mentor for h3900 devices), i d like to install the angstrom-console image on my h3970 how should i do that ? Jul 18 09:41:17 mboutin_: So, didn't we talk yesterday that installing to flash is not recommended? Jul 18 09:42:52 psokolovsky_: yes, so the solution is altboot, isn't it ? but on the wiki it is indicated as supported only by zaurus Jul 18 09:43:16 no, solution is to install and boot from SD card Jul 18 09:43:31 that assumes that you still have wince installed on handheld Jul 18 09:43:58 if it isn't, then you probably already know how to flash jffs2 image Jul 18 09:44:42 psokolovsky_: yep i made it via hyperterminal and the booloader on my ipaq is bootldr Jul 18 09:45:07 so keep reading docs which you read for installing bootldr Jul 18 09:45:21 psokolovsky_: i had familiar installed previously Jul 18 09:46:04 ... and it all even might work, though possibly you'll need to do some tweaks, don't forget to submit a ticket for them Jul 18 09:46:19 psokolovsky_: so i followed the same process to flash angstrom-console jffs2 but it doesn't work black screen, i thought i missed someting Jul 18 09:46:41 mboutin_: familiar and angstrom are of cause both embedded linux distros and angstrom's jffs2 is the same thing as familiar's Jul 18 09:47:22 ... And now wonder why I suggested booting from SD card for starters? Jul 18 09:47:57 psokolovsky_: yep i know, but when u don't have any SD card nor CF Jul 18 09:48:42 So, you'll need to figure it out/debug yourself, and that's of course much appreciated! Jul 18 09:50:00 psokolovsky_: ok, just one last question, why aren't there h3900 images on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ Jul 18 09:52:14 mboutin_: because there're too few mentors for it, and they didn't yet have time to upload images Jul 18 09:53:39 psokolovsky_: ok ;) thanks for ur help, Jul 18 12:38:23 hiall Jul 18 12:39:59 im tryn g to install a X11 to a console image Jul 18 12:40:09 a read in mail list, the step-by-step Jul 18 12:40:13 but it install gpe Jul 18 12:40:34 exists a way to install kdrive, and use it like a simple startx dist ? Jul 18 12:42:28 ipkg install xorg-xserv-kdrive; Xfbdev Jul 18 12:42:50 * Xora|gone guesses psycoman used to use pdaXrom Jul 18 12:46:15 you right =/ Jul 18 12:46:42 psycoman: why would you want to not use a display manager? Jul 18 12:47:28 ok, i can use it, but im a newbiew in xorgs configs, becose i always used a preconfigured distro Jul 18 12:49:31 i have installed xdm but nothing hapens Jul 18 12:49:46 let me google about angstrom and display manager Jul 18 12:50:05 but i want a angstrom-x11 without gpe Jul 18 12:50:07 =] Jul 18 12:50:09 psycoman: install Angstrom-x11-image as its a minimal X image and you shall be happy Jul 18 12:50:18 Angstrom-x11 doesnt have gpe Jul 18 12:50:41 it just uses gpe-dm for a nice simple small tiny display manager Jul 18 12:52:05 ang gpe-login ? Jul 18 12:52:08 and* Jul 18 12:52:21 gpe-login and gpe-conf Jul 18 12:52:37 if you dont want to login, use gpe-conf and set auto login Jul 18 12:53:18 yeah fine Jul 18 12:53:30 i will install it right now Jul 18 12:53:50 Xora|gone: what pda you have ? Jul 18 12:55:07 Zaurus 5500 C860 3200 Neo1973 Jul 18 12:55:33 wow, i have only 3200 nice peace of hardware Jul 18 12:55:37 yeah Jul 18 12:55:46 * Xora|gone is an ancient OE/OZ/pdaXrom dev Jul 18 12:56:12 im try to understand some thing to be a developer in oe too Jul 18 12:56:27 gooodo Jul 18 12:56:46 but i dont know where i can start Jul 18 12:56:52 =/ Jul 18 12:57:30 im tring make things better in pdaXrom but it still to closed and with no updates for long time Jul 18 12:57:33 find bugs, find fixes, enter bugs/fixes on bugs.openembedded.org Jul 18 12:57:38 so i decided move to angstrom Jul 18 12:57:55 hmmm, can be a nice start bugzilla Jul 18 12:58:15 prove your fixes are consitantly good and you get invited to the team Jul 18 12:58:31 hmmmm, good to know Jul 18 12:58:39 no closed club around here Jul 18 12:58:45 xD Jul 18 12:59:03 one question Jul 18 12:59:08 oh and be prepared to need flame proof clothing, we can be stressed at times and short temprered Jul 18 12:59:24 hehehe Jul 18 12:59:27 ok i will Jul 18 12:59:44 how i install mplayer iwmmxt ? Jul 18 12:59:59 awals i get armv5te Jul 18 13:00:05 with ipkg install Jul 18 13:00:19 psycoman: do it manually Jul 18 13:00:32 psycoman: ipkg sometimes get confused with different version from same arch Jul 18 13:01:42 manually is: download file, and install for hdd, right ? Jul 18 13:02:59 yes Jul 18 13:03:32 ipkg install -force-reinstall mplayer_0.0+rc1_iwmxxt.ipk Jul 18 13:03:36 or something like that Jul 18 13:06:20 i think that is ipkg --reinstall install mplayer... Jul 18 13:06:37 xota: nope Jul 18 13:08:34 exact, this is apt option ;p Jul 18 13:08:36 this command will install arm5vte again =[, i want install iwmmxt Jul 18 13:09:48 psycoman: bloody ipkg bugs Jul 18 13:12:37 Xora|gone: what wm you use ? Jul 18 13:12:45 psycoman: matchbox Jul 18 13:18:20 more one, sorry abou many questions heh Jul 18 13:18:48 how can make the "/" default in "/ ` ," button Jul 18 13:19:00 default is , now Jul 18 13:19:25 edit /etc/keymap/ something Jul 18 13:19:48 /etc/keymap-2.6-map Jul 18 13:24:50 exists a aplication to get keypressd ? Jul 18 13:25:41 yes, 'finger' Jul 18 13:25:50 or if in need, 'nose' Jul 18 13:26:10 Hello Koen Jul 18 13:27:32 koen: i want the keycode Jul 18 13:29:08 psycoman: showkey on console, xev in x11, but I dont think we package xev Jul 18 13:33:14 Guys, sorry to interrupt.. I'm looking for a nudge in the right direction. Trying to run Angstrom on a netbook pro. Have got as far as GPE but would like a full X11. The Angstrom images (in unstable) won't boot, they all fail at the pivot_root (segmentation fault). I must have done something wrong, but... what? Jul 18 13:34:16 koen, do we have some guidelines on what machine mentors need to do? Jul 18 13:34:45 Jon_Bradbury: the angstrom images need a newer kernel.... Jul 18 13:35:07 Crofton: "use common sense" is as far as I got with 'requirements' Jul 18 13:35:18 :) Jul 18 13:35:31 we should start a secion on the wiki Jul 18 13:35:43 koen : righty ho, I need to write a Boost header generator then. That's what you're inferring in your last eMail isn't it? Jul 18 13:35:49 I need a check list to make sure I keep the OSK stuff up to date Jul 18 13:36:28 and some docs on how to do these tasks, because I keep forgetting :) Jul 18 13:36:35 Jon_Bradbury: indeed Jul 18 13:36:55 Jon_Bradbury: once we have a header generate we can actually test the 2.6.17 kernel Jul 18 13:36:56 Do I need to join the Angstrom team to update the wiki? Jul 18 13:37:08 no, just create a login in the wiki Jul 18 13:37:14 You got it Jul 18 13:37:41 Any more info you care to sling my way on the boost header? Jul 18 13:41:09 that's all the info I know off Jul 18 13:48:52 hi, i loaded a jffs2 image on my ipaq when i boot the ipaq i obtain the following message: "Kernel panic -not syncing: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0)" Jul 18 13:49:29 Do you know where it could come from ? Jul 18 15:03:31 Hi all Jul 18 15:04:48 I have just tested the angstrom-image for collie (with X11) , but it seems, the image is built for kernel 2.4.x , but the installed kernel is 2.6.21. Can someone vrify this ? Jul 18 15:05:54 I suppose, because of this combination, the mouse-driver is not working. Jul 18 15:06:26 vanguard, I doubt there is any angstrom kernel with 2.4.* Jul 18 15:07:24 No, the initrd.bin is expecting 2.4.x, and so it does not work properly. Jul 18 15:08:04 I flashed new, and the boot messages says: You have 2.6.21 installed, but expecting 2.4.x (similar in this way) Jul 18 15:09:02 Or did I see this message wrong ???? Jul 18 15:09:48 fear I'm the wrong person to help you with that :/ Jul 18 15:10:30 :) Don`t worry. I hope, someone other may read my writings here. Jul 18 15:11:33 dcordes: Do you know about the problem, angstrom is sometimes not waking up after resume ? Jul 18 15:12:00 vanguard, yes there are plenty of bugs about this Jul 18 15:12:14 Or the other problem: The SL-C1000 sometimes is automatically switchin on by itself ? Jul 18 15:12:15 my akita backlight is sometimes off after suspend Jul 18 15:12:27 vanguard, heh I have the sl-c1000 too Jul 18 15:12:42 it is switching on when I plug-in or remove my earphone Jul 18 15:12:44 but that's all Jul 18 15:13:01 normally when it lays itself to sleep, it is sleeping ^^ Jul 18 15:13:19 I carry it in a bag, and sometimes , whewen I put it out, it is on. Jul 18 15:13:43 The bag does not touch the power switch. Jul 18 15:14:09 dcordes: Do you have sound with your internal speaker ? Jul 18 15:14:35 vanguard, no I just rebuilt my akita image in order to try out if this is fixed Jul 18 15:14:53 but the earphones work Jul 18 15:15:20 !oebug 2617 Jul 18 15:15:22 * * Bug 2617, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-08 11:50 Jul 18 15:15:23 * * utx(AT)penguin.cz: spitz/akita sound mixer misconfiguration Jul 18 15:15:24 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 Jul 18 15:15:26 This is useless for me, as I am using the calendar, and need the alarm. Jul 18 15:15:46 yea somebody mentioned the alarm thing in that bug Jul 18 15:15:47 Yes, look, I added a report to this myself. Jul 18 15:15:59 This was me. :) Jul 18 15:16:23 ah so you're stanislav? Jul 18 15:16:40 No, I am Hans. Jul 18 15:17:09 I see Jul 18 15:17:13 There should be a report by me. Jul 18 15:17:27 reading through the whole bug I mentioned you saying there'd be no sound at all Jul 18 15:17:44 could you try with earphones or something plugged in to the jack and see if that is giving you sound? Jul 18 15:17:56 Yes, but I have nor ear-phones, and so I did not test this. Jul 18 15:18:03 s/mentioned/noticed Jul 18 15:18:09 ok Jul 18 15:18:17 I could try with speakers. Jul 18 15:18:38 did you try out that mixer resolution thing? Jul 18 15:18:43 yes that would to the same Jul 18 15:19:55 What I do not understand at all, maybe you can explain: There are a lot of things running, i.e. sound, X11 and other things. Suddenly they do not work any more, if there is a higher version. Why do such things happen ? Jul 18 15:20:10 This is on normal Linux, troo. Jul 18 15:20:13 too Jul 18 15:20:25 (I am no coder) Jul 18 15:21:08 Is this because compilers change ? Jul 18 15:21:22 vanguard, I'm not a coder either but as there is a lot of activity in OE (recent kernel upgrade for example) there are many new bugs Jul 18 15:22:49 Yes, I see. But why do standard drivers do not run any more ? I always think, there are not much changes at all in those things. Jul 18 15:23:04 vanguard, what does not work for you? Jul 18 15:23:23 SD card thing? Jul 18 15:23:44 i.e. the sound driver. It was working for many versions. Suddenly it is not more working. Jul 18 15:24:19 I think that is just some configuration issue Jul 18 15:24:24 This question is not only angstrom related, I saw this in other distributions, too. Jul 18 15:26:20 Please understand, I do not want to roumour (is this the right expression ??) , it is just, that I sometimes wonder, why things, which are working for years, suddenly do no more work. Jul 18 15:26:28 that's the downside of recent software :) guess it is that simple Jul 18 15:26:52 best thing we can do is trying to help fixing those problems Jul 18 15:27:05 Yes, of course. Jul 18 15:27:20 And give feedback. Jul 18 15:27:28 vanguard, could you take a look at comment #11 and see if you can confirm that? Jul 18 15:27:56 This thing with the speakers ? Jul 18 15:28:02 just tried outh those mixer changes in bug #5 suggested by stanislav and it does not work for me Jul 18 15:28:09 !oebug 2617 Jul 18 15:28:10 right Jul 18 15:28:10 * * Bug 2617, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-08 11:50 Jul 18 15:28:11 * * utx(AT)penguin.cz: spitz/akita sound mixer misconfiguration Jul 18 15:28:12 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 Jul 18 15:28:19 because I want to get the speaker thing done too Jul 18 15:28:23 I will check. Will last a moment. Jul 18 15:28:25 it is very important for me Jul 18 15:30:53 I checked with a headphone, and I heared sound. Jul 18 15:31:22 I used this volume adjustment tool. Jul 18 15:31:23 yea that's what I expected Jul 18 15:31:30 same thing for me Jul 18 15:31:52 vanguard, try the steps in comment #5 in a terminal with alsamixer Jul 18 15:31:55 So it seems, only the internal speaker is not working. Jul 18 15:32:01 yea right Jul 18 15:33:21 I will test these steps, just a moment please. Jul 18 15:33:28 ok thanks Jul 18 15:34:15 any other akita users in here? Jul 18 15:35:08 hello, does anyone know who has made this image ? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/simpad/20070709/ Jul 18 15:39:05 Hmm, I cannot switch the options. Jul 18 15:42:35 dcordes: I tried, but it is not possible, to change the options of the required settings. Jul 18 15:42:36 vanguard, you could confirm my comment #11 then Jul 18 15:42:40 what is the preferred method of setting the time zone in an angstrom install? Jul 18 15:43:09 I tried copying/linking /etc/localtime to what I need and 'date' is still wrong Jul 18 15:43:09 Yes, I can confirm tis. Jul 18 15:44:27 I mean like post another comment to make this visible for people reading 2617 Jul 18 15:44:50 so they don't think it is me being to stupid to change those settings :D Jul 18 15:45:49 jsheldon, I usually tap the clock applet then set time Jul 18 15:46:11 dcordes: ah but I'm running a console image :) Jul 18 15:46:37 ^^ ok Jul 18 15:48:34 jsheldon, which machine do you have? Jul 18 15:49:29 dcordes: I'm actually running on a pxa270 board from compulab, not exactly typical hardware Jul 18 15:49:46 ah ok Jul 18 15:49:47 but angstrom runs great, I'm just trying to learn the quirks Jul 18 15:49:59 zaurus here Jul 18 15:50:15 koen, you should ask for an osk if you get a chance Jul 18 15:50:33 Crofton: indeed Jul 18 15:53:56 hello, I have a collie with oz3.5.4 .... is angstrom as solid as OZ.... in other words is there a reason to swap Jul 18 15:54:16 dcordes: I have confirmed your coments in bugreport. Jul 18 15:54:42 fred_88: I would not switch yet, if you are using it professionell. Jul 18 15:55:39 fred_88: There shall be still problems with the sd-card-driver, and my latest flash did not work properly (wrong kernel for the image) Jul 18 15:56:04 fred_88: In other words: Just wait for 2-3 weeks. Jul 18 15:56:47 vanguard: ah ok ... I just baugth a 2GB sd for it .... anyway I'll try it is just for fun Jul 18 15:57:11 Hmm, is 2GB seen by OZ ??? Jul 18 15:57:27 vanguard: 2 or 3 weeks I will wait Jul 18 15:57:29 vanguard, I'm using 2gb for my angstrom needs Jul 18 15:57:40 dcordes: whats it formatted as? Jul 18 15:57:46 ext2 Jul 18 15:57:57 I don't know ..... I had a 1GB but my son stool it Jul 18 15:58:07 and it works mounts ok and is stable? i have an ipaq and familiar would shit out on ext Jul 18 15:58:21 its why im in the process of switching just been to busy with work Jul 18 15:58:23 TheX1le, it's workin great Jul 18 15:58:24 dcordes: Yes, a SL-C1000 will work with it, but I thought, a SL-5500 does only run with SD-cards <= 1GB. Jul 18 15:58:54 aie !! Jul 18 15:59:02 vanguard: there is hacked driver for 2GB cards for 2.4 collie Jul 18 15:59:13 lol hacked drivers Jul 18 15:59:15 and 2.6 collie can use 2GB already Jul 18 15:59:19 bye Jul 18 15:59:22 for collie OZ? I read something in hte OZ wikis about 4gb Jul 18 15:59:28 also being supported after patching Jul 18 15:59:32 hrw|gone: Ah, I did not know this, I thought, the bus is only 16-bit. Jul 18 15:59:54 hrw|gone, did you participate in bug 2617? Jul 18 16:00:00 the zaurus speaker thing? Jul 18 16:00:19 dcordes: He is gone.... Maybe bored..... Jul 18 16:00:27 :) Jul 18 16:00:29 mabye he's at guadec too Jul 18 16:00:47 What is "guadec" ? Jul 18 16:00:58 does the kernel have the tun/tap interface working? Jul 18 16:01:58 after what said hrw: .... I still have to wait 2 or 3 weeks or it is already usable Jul 18 16:05:41 vanguard, http://www.guadec.org/ Jul 18 16:06:32 Yes, all clear. Jul 18 16:11:32 I'm off later Jul 18 16:12:08 see you vanguard_ Jul 18 16:57:48 hi Jul 18 17:05:02 any news from h6300 users? Jul 18 17:05:06 hmm, how i can install xfce4 ? Jul 18 17:05:21 and have anybody ever tryed angstrom on a hw6915? Jul 18 17:06:31 stupid root =/ Jul 18 17:08:03 ok, now without root hehehe Jul 18 17:08:27 how i can install xfce4, i see many packages but how installl and start it Jul 18 17:40:20 hi has anyone managed to install the x11 angstrom image on poodle(5600) ??? Jul 18 17:40:48 i receive an error on the last step of flashing ? Jul 18 17:41:15 what message you have in your pda ? Jul 18 17:41:31 2 secs ill check Jul 18 17:42:14 * TheX1le has two standard poodles but didnt know they had model numbers Jul 18 17:44:50 oka im wait Jul 18 17:46:27 ive renamed the files to initrd.bin updater.sh zImage and put them on SD Jul 18 17:46:47 then on the last step of flashing i get ERROR: flash write Jul 18 17:47:15 Error! Please Reset Jul 18 17:47:51 have you got the x11 working on poodle ? Jul 18 17:48:49 that means the image is too big for the internal flash Jul 18 17:49:14 ah ok how can i easily reduce the image size Jul 18 17:49:24 or should i just use the sd instead Jul 18 17:49:24 erm... I'm not sure you can Jul 18 17:49:28 I would use sd Jul 18 17:49:52 ok can you guide me through plz i havent instaal the fs on sd before Jul 18 17:50:13 I haven't either, sorry Jul 18 17:50:29 it's apparently not difficult, but I've never done it Jul 18 17:50:39 ok cool Jul 18 17:51:23 is it possible to dual boot sharp rom(internal) and angstrom(sd) ? Jul 18 17:52:35 i wonder why the image is too big ? cant we put in a request to reduce it ? Jul 18 17:53:10 well, angstrom is still pretty beta, and noone's worked on reducing the size yet Jul 18 17:53:38 ok we could rip out bluetooth support on poodle Jul 18 17:54:02 id be happy to help Jul 18 17:54:17 as i know where arnt many poodles about Jul 18 17:54:39 check out www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jul 18 17:54:43 ok Jul 18 17:54:46 brb Jul 18 17:57:37 polyonymous_: are you around? Jul 18 18:06:21 summatusmentis, now I am Jul 18 18:06:42 polyonymous: what is the required module for ppp over usb? Jul 18 18:07:08 ppp over usb? I have no idea, I'd guess that usbserial is the one. Jul 18 18:07:22 you walked me through it once, I thought Jul 18 18:07:40 cdc- i thought... Jul 18 18:08:16 I think you're talking about usb-networking, not ppp over usb Jul 18 18:08:28 is there any java support on angstrom Jul 18 18:08:34 then that would be g-ether on the Z-side and usbnet on the host side Jul 18 18:08:51 galvatr0n, I believe some work is being done (not by me) Jul 18 18:08:58 polyonymous: no, I want to dial out with my phone, which is connected to the Z via USB Jul 18 18:09:31 Then I don't think it's cdc and I don't think I walked you though it, but I think you'd need usbserial which should be automatically loaded when you plug in the phone Jul 18 18:09:47 provided that you have usbhost. Jul 18 18:10:08 polyonymous: are you sure? I could've sworn it was you... hrm Jul 18 18:10:11 ok, thanks Jul 18 18:10:21 don't you dial out with your phone? Jul 18 18:10:37 summatusmentis, I'm not sure, but I can't exactly walk though something I've never done :) Jul 18 18:10:50 I've dialed out only via bluetooth. Jul 18 18:10:54 lol, makes sense Jul 18 18:11:05 and did you need modules for that? Jul 18 18:12:52 how would you think bluetooth will work with no modules? :) Jul 18 18:14:23 lol, I was wondering if there were specific ppp modules, as compared to bluetooth :-) Jul 18 18:14:45 Umm.. yes, I think you'd need ppp modules as well, don't remember which ones. Jul 18 18:14:58 You're not short of space, are you? :) Jul 18 18:17:01 no Jul 18 18:18:00 then feel free to ipkg install `ipkg list|grep 'kernel.*ppp'|cut -d\ -f1` or something like that ;-) Jul 18 18:18:43 lol, thanks Jul 18 18:53:45 xota|AFK: If you are interested: I still have the running images and kernel for openzaurus on the distribution-cd I developed. Jul 18 18:55:34 So, if you need something, I still have it (about 1,2 GB: tools, images, feed, develop-environment, documentations etc. etc.) Jul 18 18:56:47 vanguard, and what can I do with this live-cd? I can't understand Jul 18 18:57:51 It is no live-cd. :) Just a distribution I made some time ago. I just tested the images on this cd, and the errors you described, did not appear. Jul 18 18:57:57 it have the cross-compilers to oz? Jul 18 18:58:06 Seems, that your images might be defective. Jul 18 18:58:23 Yes, there are some compilers on it. Jul 18 18:58:49 o.. vanguard Jul 18 18:59:17 vanguard: 1GB sd limit is not related to bus width Jul 18 18:59:27 and mmc is 1bit only Jul 18 18:59:27 I could not release this cd/dvd that time, as I had no server to host it., Jul 18 18:59:39 * hrw goes away again Jul 18 18:59:43 sorry Jul 18 18:59:47 hrw|gone: Yes, I understand. Jul 18 19:00:04 Sry, I was wrong. :) Jul 18 19:00:27 vanguard, try www.sourceforge.net Jul 18 19:00:41 ur live-cd can be very util for people Jul 18 19:00:55 mmm, excuse Jul 18 19:00:59 sf not allow distros Jul 18 19:01:00 Today its too late, as it is for openzaurus. Jul 18 19:01:09 It is no life-cd. Jul 18 19:01:09 Jul 18 19:01:16 what is then? Jul 18 19:01:28 distribution-cd? Jul 18 19:02:04 A collection of docus, feed, images, tools, etc. Everything, I could get is on this cd., Jul 18 19:02:04 1GB limit came from SD specification Jul 18 19:02:15 hrw: Yes, I understand. Jul 18 19:02:44 ahhh! I know Jul 18 19:02:55 according to spec cards larger then 1GB use blocksize larger then 512 bytes. and when Zaurus was released then there was no bigger cards on market. Jul 18 19:02:58 And it is all open source, naturally. Jul 18 19:03:13 now, to use larger cards we use 512bytes block nevermind how big card is Jul 18 19:03:27 vanguard: livecd used to build openzaurus is not opensource fully Jul 18 19:03:32 Ah, cool ! Jul 18 19:03:37 as you need closed sd driver Jul 18 19:03:56 hrw: I have no live-cd. Jul 18 19:04:12 vanguard: ok, then s/live// in it Jul 18 19:05:33 No, no, just a cd with self written docus, tools (for windows and linux = oz-related) , the complete feed, Debian-image for SL-5500 and and and. Jul 18 19:06:40 vanguard, a cd with tools for windows and linux can be complex Jul 18 19:07:46 I needed some weeks, to collect all things. Although, there is not much work by me, just the sortings of the software and my own documentation I added. Jul 18 19:08:11 Most of this is available in the web, wikipedia and so on, meanwhile. Jul 18 19:09:53 And it is all openzaurus (3.5.4), and a litle bit collie. I did still not write a documentation for angstrom, as angstrom ist (IMO) still too buggy for the masses. Jul 18 19:10:05 vanguard: then help us fixing it Jul 18 19:10:21 What to fix ? Jul 18 19:10:36 bugs? Jul 18 19:10:38 I am no coder. Jul 18 19:11:17 I can write documentations, howtos, maybe a shell script. But coding is not my way. Jul 18 19:12:07 then atleast check bugs and report them Jul 18 19:12:32 and be ready to test fixes or suggestions Jul 18 19:12:33 This is what I do since several years. Jul 18 19:13:11 Ask CoreDump|afk , he knows, how nerdy I can be with reporting bugs. Jul 18 19:13:17 :) Jul 18 19:14:00 xDD Jul 18 19:17:31 I think, feedback is very important for developers. Jul 18 19:18:15 feedback make the developer the sense his program is useful Jul 18 19:18:54 I do not know. Sometimes I think, it is often nerdy. Jul 18 19:22:50 vanguard, mimecar_ has hosting lol Jul 18 19:23:09 xota|AFK, ?? Jul 18 19:23:26 1G is a lot, but i think that some web can u serve this space for free if it is a open source project Jul 18 19:23:55 Delete the feed on the dvd, and there are 600 MB less. Jul 18 19:24:44 vanguard, then, you want build a cd image with all the stuff related with OZ ? Jul 18 19:26:04 hi codyl Jul 18 19:26:12 I would like to release it, but there is one condtion. Jul 18 19:26:26 i think that the feed isn't neccesary Jul 18 19:26:27 mimecar_, hey Jul 18 19:26:28 The image is ready. Jul 18 19:29:19 vanguard, send me ;p Jul 18 19:29:26 do u have any sftp client? Jul 18 19:29:33 Yes. Jul 18 19:29:40 I use gftp. Jul 18 19:30:08 vanguard, have you collie ? Jul 18 19:30:16 Yes, and akita. Jul 18 19:30:19 both Jul 18 19:30:37 gtp won't be suitable with akita Jul 18 19:30:45 gftp Jul 18 19:31:19 To release this cd, there is a condition, under which it must be released. Jul 18 19:31:35 vanguard, what's the condition ? Jul 18 19:31:57 The condition is, that my name is mentioned with the cd. Jul 18 19:32:04 It is my work. Jul 18 19:32:16 it should Jul 18 19:32:20 you're the author Jul 18 19:32:42 Yes, just like "Knoppix". You know, what I mean. Jul 18 19:32:53 what cd? Jul 18 19:33:10 hi summatusmentis , good morning :P Jul 18 19:33:23 hi mimecar_ :-D Jul 18 19:33:26 I will make the iso's Jul 18 19:33:37 mimecar_: it's 15:30 :-P Jul 18 19:33:49 vanguard, why don't you use bittorrent to distribute ? Jul 18 19:34:07 you won't have to search a server with 650 MB Jul 18 19:36:04 vanguard, GNU/GPL ;p Jul 18 19:36:25 if u don't like ur name in derivated products use a BSD-like license Jul 18 19:39:16 Yes, all GPL Jul 18 19:39:50 vanguard, i go out now, try if u can send me the image Jul 18 19:39:51 I have to sort still some things (some docus are double) Jul 18 19:39:54 if software you use is gpl, you must use gpl Jul 18 19:40:16 with lgpl, i think you can't close the license to gpl, but i'm not sure Jul 18 19:40:34 Tomorrow it will befinished. Ah, another thing: Some docus are German, as it was intended to be a German distribution. Jul 18 19:40:57