**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 02:59:56 2007
Aug 22 03:00:53 <archer>  The process of "Synthesizing the initial hotplug events" is extremly slow,
Aug 22 03:01:03 <archer> i think it is because of the flash device. is there any way to speed up it?
Aug 22 06:12:42 <_sodium> its been reliable on my akita, but you'll just have to backup your ROM and give it a try
Aug 22 06:12:51 <_sodium> there are new builds all the time
Aug 22 07:07:33 <keisangi> _sodium, where can i find angstrom for my c860 ?
Aug 22 07:07:55 <keisangi> i've been searching but couldn't find any c860 rom
Aug 22 07:14:36 <keisangi> the closer i could find was for c7x0/
Aug 22 07:14:42 <keisangi> on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/
Aug 22 09:44:40 * xota saluda!
Aug 22 09:54:26 <cyberdeck> hi!
Aug 22 12:17:55 <vlo> I would like to define a custom /etc/init.d/network file for my Angstrom build according to my machine, in what OE recipe can I implement this ?
Aug 22 12:23:07 <vlo> hum, it looks like /etc/init.d/interfaces is at least defined by the ifupdown package recipe
Aug 22 12:42:39 <vlo> ok, I can define a custom interfaces file within the netbase package
Aug 22 12:43:11 <vlo> now another question, where can I define modules that must be automatically loaded at boot ?
Aug 22 15:25:32 <_sodium> vlo: i'm not positive about angstrom, but as i recall you can place the names of modules you want to autoload on boot in /etc/modules on a debian system - which is very similar
Aug 22 15:25:42 <_sodium> but im not 100% sure
Aug 22 15:28:27 <vlo> hum thanks _sodium. I had found it inbetween. You can set the /etc/modules in the modutils OE package
Aug 22 17:46:41 <mimecar> hi
Aug 22 17:50:18 <mimecar> hi anarchytoday
Aug 22 17:50:29 <anarchytoday> Hi
Aug 22 17:50:48 <anarchytoday> has anyone tried building the ltp with bitbake? 
Aug 22 17:50:53 <anarchytoday> it fails for me
Aug 22 17:53:33 <mimecar> what's ltp?
Aug 22 17:54:14 <Crofton|home> heh
Aug 22 17:54:33 <Crofton|home> I just pushed patch for it and fixed some QA errors
Aug 22 17:54:43 <Crofton|home> but I have no idea if it works
Aug 22 17:55:03 <Crofton|home> feel free to work on it
Aug 22 17:55:17 <anarchytoday> ok :) 
Aug 22 17:55:24 <anarchytoday> ltp = linux test project
Aug 22 17:56:03 <mimecar> ok
Aug 22 17:56:46 <Crofton|home> you have updated the meta data today?
Aug 22 17:57:35 <mimecar> I don't, i haven't free space
Aug 22 18:08:53 <mimecar> hrw: good look on your new life ;)
Aug 22 18:09:00 <mimecar> good luck
Aug 22 18:09:57 <hrw> thx
Aug 22 18:11:50 <mimecar> hi XorA|gone
Aug 22 18:11:52 <mimecar> hi xota
Aug 22 18:15:05 * xota saluda!
Aug 22 18:15:13 <xota> hi mimecar 
Aug 22 18:24:21 <mimecar> how can I kill a matchbox-desktop session?
Aug 22 18:26:27 <hrw> use kill command
Aug 22 18:26:41 <mimecar> I haven't the pid
Aug 22 18:26:46 <mimecar> one second
Aug 22 18:27:56 <hrw> scap.linuxtogo.org refreshed a bit
Aug 22 18:27:59 <mimecar> fixed
Aug 22 18:28:31 <mimecar> are the latest screenshots from you?
Aug 22 18:28:57 <hrw> no - I refreshed page look
Aug 22 18:29:20 <mimecar> ok
Aug 22 18:29:44 <mimecar> the look changed some weeks ago, aren't you?
Aug 22 18:30:55 <hrw> look maybe
Aug 22 18:31:04 <hrw> but its code was awful too much for me
Aug 22 18:31:15 <mimecar> hard to maintain?
Aug 22 18:31:29 <hrw> still hard but now atleast validates as xhtml
Aug 22 18:31:39 <mimecar> I can change matchbox padding now :)
Aug 22 18:31:46 <mimecar> for icon padding
Aug 22 18:36:15 <mimecar> hrw: is the scap server temporally or it store all the captures all the time?
Aug 22 18:41:18 <hrw> 3 weeks
Aug 22 18:44:28 <mimecar> ok, thanks
Aug 22 18:45:41 <mimecar> I think I've broke matchbox 
Aug 22 18:46:10 <dcordes> matchbox-keyboard-im broken
Aug 22 18:46:33 <dcordes> mimecar: what's padding?
Aug 22 18:46:47 <mimecar> icon separation space
Aug 22 18:47:03 <mimecar> i can change separation on pc, but not on angstrom
Aug 22 18:48:15 <mimecar> how can i change to a text console ? I can't login
Aug 22 19:04:08 <dcordes> mimecar: on angstrom akita? Let me know if you found that out please :) it worked with ctrl+fn+left for me but that stopped working
Aug 22 19:05:22 <mimecar> change to a console?
Aug 22 19:25:48 <dcordes> mimecar: yea!
Aug 22 19:26:41 <mimecar> no
Aug 22 19:26:52 <mimecar> i'm using rescue mode of original rom
Aug 22 19:27:03 <mimecar> if it doesn't wor, i'll reflash
Aug 22 19:29:43 <dcordes> I see
Aug 22 19:30:33 <mimecar> flashing
Aug 22 19:34:25 <dcordes> good luck!
Aug 22 19:34:38 <mimecar> booting
Aug 22 19:34:58 <mimecar> it's a pity the stupid cause of the crash
Aug 22 19:40:52 <mimecar> dcordes: updating the rom
Aug 22 19:41:02 <mimecar> but I've lost all the /home data :(
Aug 22 19:41:14 <carbonfreeze> what, you dont have a seprate partition?
Aug 22 19:41:41 <mimecar> other times i flashed, all the data remained
Aug 22 19:42:23 <mimecar> important data are on my head
Aug 22 19:42:36 <carbonfreeze> on OZ & Angstrom I always used a seprate parition for /home because hda1 always got wiped on update flash..
Aug 22 19:43:08 <mimecar> carbonfreeze: have you a zaurus c3200?
Aug 22 19:43:26 <carbonfreeze> spitz (3000)
Aug 22 19:43:39 <mimecar> mine is akita (c1000)
Aug 22 19:43:47 <carbonfreeze> ahh, flash.
Aug 22 19:44:03 <carbonfreeze> no wonder =) maybe an SD card for /home ?
Aug 22 19:45:11 <mimecar> i would like use the system on the sd, all the system
Aug 22 19:49:19 <mimecar> see you later
Aug 22 20:11:18 <summatusmentis> does anyone know of a good math note taking program that is in OE?
Aug 22 20:24:25 <mimecar> summatusmentis: what??
Aug 22 20:28:06 <summatusmentis> note-taking software, that has easy access to math symbols, for calculus, or whatever else
Aug 22 20:28:24 <mimecar> do you want calculate or only write the text?
Aug 22 20:28:34 <summatusmentis> just write it
Aug 22 20:28:42 <mimecar> you can use latex
Aug 22 20:29:00 <summatusmentis> I don't know latex, how's the learning curve?
Aug 22 20:29:18 <mimecar> some time is hard, but you can ask me your questions
Aug 22 20:29:35 <mimecar> really, if you know html, you have many things learned
Aug 22 20:30:20 <summatusmentis> I know html, yes
Aug 22 20:30:27 <mimecar> you write the document on the notepad and, after, you "compile" it on pc
Aug 22 20:30:55 <mimecar> latex is similar to a language programming
Aug 22 20:30:58 <summatusmentis> what do you mean?
Aug 22 20:31:15 <mimecar> you have a html similar structure to the doc
Aug 22 20:31:33 <mimecar> you haven't a real document, you must compile it on the pc
Aug 22 20:31:42 <mimecar> and then, you grnerate a PDF file
Aug 22 20:31:59 <summatusmentis> what do you mean a real document? the zaurus could do that right?
Aug 22 20:33:02 <mimecar> latex => html source code
Aug 22 20:33:16 <mimecar> after compile => a visible document, such as html on a navigator
Aug 22 20:33:42 <summatusmentis> oh, ok, makes sense
Aug 22 20:34:12 <hrw> or dvi
Aug 22 20:34:17 <mimecar> you can compile on zaurus
Aug 22 20:34:32 <mimecar> yes, dvi, pdf, rtf (with converter...)
Aug 22 20:34:44 <mimecar> but you need a plain text editor only
Aug 22 20:35:51 <summatusmentis> ok, very cool
Aug 22 20:35:57 * summatusmentis goes and looks into latex
Aug 22 20:45:03 <dothedog> I just asked this on #oe, but can anyone help me with xterminal-image for Angstrom?
Aug 22 20:45:30 <mimecar> what's the problem?
Aug 22 20:46:20 <dothedog> I can build x11-image, but that has all of GPE in it. I need something that uses less memory. So I tried building the xterminal-image.bb but it won't boot into X. Just drops me to a terminal.
Aug 22 20:46:31 <dothedog> or console I mean.
Aug 22 20:46:37 <mimecar> yes
Aug 22 20:46:45 <mimecar> you haven't x11 server on the image
Aug 22 20:47:13 <dothedog> I tried adding xserver-kdrive-fb... but that didn't work either...
Aug 22 20:47:35 <mimecar> you will need a window manager also
Aug 22 20:48:00 <dothedog> mimecar: is there a lighter window manager than matchbox?
Aug 22 20:48:08 <mimecar> fwmn
Aug 22 20:48:48 <mimecar> I think you will need more packages than x11....
Aug 22 20:49:19 <dothedog> mimecar: so in theory I could load console-image, ipkg install xserver-kdrive-fb, ipkg install fwmn, anything else?
Aug 22 20:50:03 <mimecar> teorically yes
Aug 22 20:50:06 <mimecar> and more packages
Aug 22 20:50:14 <mimecar> what's your zaurus model?
Aug 22 20:50:20 <dothedog> mimecar: akita
Aug 22 20:50:57 <mimecar> and you need more space?
Aug 22 20:51:21 <dothedog> mimecar: I need more free memory. Using X11-image, i only have about 6MB free.
Aug 22 20:52:06 <mimecar> sure?
Aug 22 20:52:20 <mimecar> 22 MB
Aug 22 20:52:31 <mimecar> after upgrade, gpe file manager and some small apps
Aug 22 20:52:47 <dothedog> mimecar: last time I checked. How did you build?
Aug 22 20:52:58 <mimecar> with the original rom
Aug 22 20:53:06 <mimecar> my angstrom image is on process yet
Aug 22 20:53:25 <dothedog> mimecar: Sharp ROM?
Aug 22 20:53:43 <mimecar> angstrom rom
Aug 22 20:54:03 <dothedog> mimecar: did you start from console-image? or X11-image?
Aug 22 20:54:17 <mimecar> I use a compiled image is on the angstrom website
Aug 22 20:54:29 <dothedog> which one?
Aug 22 20:54:53 <mimecar> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/
Aug 22 20:56:08 <dothedog> Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070804-akita-installkit.tgz I suppose?
Aug 22 20:56:15 <mimecar> yes
Aug 22 20:56:21 <mimecar> I've flashed that image tonight
Aug 22 20:56:38 <dothedog> And you have 22MB free?
Aug 22 20:56:53 <mimecar> yes
Aug 22 20:57:21 <dothedog> I guess I'll give it another shot then... I have been trying to roll my own. Maybe that's the problem ;)
Aug 22 20:58:03 <mimecar> haven't you use angstrom without compiling it?
Aug 22 20:58:27 <dothedog> I tried a couple of earlier images. 
Aug 22 20:58:57 <mimecar> there're many changes
Aug 22 20:58:59 <mimecar> weekly
Aug 22 20:59:09 <koen> it's not a ROM
Aug 22 20:59:18 <koen> please stop calling it that
Aug 22 20:59:29 <mimecar> a compilation?
Aug 22 21:00:01 <dothedog> Yeah, that's why I have been from the .dev branch on oe.
Aug 22 21:00:29 <mimecar> koen: i was on your country last week
Aug 22 21:00:33 <mimecar> is a beatiful place
Aug 22 21:04:00 <dothedog> mimecar: flashing now.
Aug 22 21:04:09 <mimecar> koen: is Angstrom distribution better ?
Aug 22 21:09:10 <dothedog> mimecar: 16792 free...
Aug 22 21:09:16 <Cyberdeck> hi! is there an collie (Sharp Zaurus SL-5500) initial ramdisk to flash onto the device?
Aug 22 21:09:32 <mimecar> yes
Aug 22 21:09:39 <Cyberdeck> I can't find it at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070709/
Aug 22 21:09:58 <mimecar> there is not .tar.gz
Aug 22 21:10:11 <mimecar> you can't use altboot yet
Aug 22 21:10:22 <Cyberdeck> Ahh. ok.
Aug 22 21:10:41 <Cyberdeck> I was wondering why there is no kind of "initrd.bin".
Aug 22 21:11:19 <mimecar> you have a .tar.gz with all the files you need
Aug 22 21:13:11 <Cyberdeck>  but how do i get the root fs stuff to the flash? Boot an old ROM and copy the files over? I'm somehow confused ;)
Aug 22 21:15:09 <mimecar> directory structure changes vs akita folder :P
Aug 22 21:16:52 <mimecar> you have some files of 14 MB, one of their will be the file you will rename no initrd
Aug 22 21:19:45 <Cyberdeck> A "tar tvf x11-image-collie.tar.gz  | grep -i initrd" didn't show a initrd file.
Aug 22 21:20:23 <mimecar> file name won't be initrd
Aug 22 21:21:05 <Cyberdeck> ahh. ok. after re-reading your last line I realized that I didn't got it the first time. Sry.
Aug 22 21:21:48 <mimecar> don't worry
Aug 22 21:22:00 <mimecar> i must test image for collie, some day
Aug 22 21:26:35 * Cyberdeck slap's the guy who decided to press d+c at the same time while pressing reset at the backside...
Aug 22 21:27:21 <mimecar> xDD
Aug 22 21:31:53 <Cyberdeck> Wow. It boot's a 2.6 kernel. I never thought I will see that happen with this old device. *great* job guyS!
Aug 22 21:36:51 <Cyberdeck> mimecar: thank you very much for your great support!
Aug 22 21:37:06 <mimecar> what was the real file?
Aug 22 21:38:27 <Cyberdeck> console-image-collie.jffs2
Aug 22 21:38:36 <Cyberdeck> at least i get a working console.
Aug 22 21:39:37 <Cyberdeck> i'll try to copy my simpad's wpa_supplicant.conf over to test my wlan card. 
Aug 22 21:39:49 <Cyberdeck> maybe it'll work too.
Aug 22 21:40:22 <mimecar> Cyberdeck: how many free space have you?
Aug 22 21:40:50 <mimecar> only console ?
Aug 22 21:41:29 <Cyberdeck> with the console image i have 2.9 MByte free.
Aug 22 21:41:44 <Cyberdeck> and 32MB tmpfs at the flash.
Aug 22 21:42:12 <mimecar> do you use a kernel with data on flash?
Aug 22 21:43:04 <Cyberdeck> i used just the "standard" testing kernel from the website.
Aug 22 21:43:30 <Cyberdeck> but i have to correct me. after looking at "free" i see that this is a 64+0 Kernel.
Aug 22 21:43:39 <Cyberdeck> no space left at the flash ;(
Aug 22 21:43:40 <mimecar> better
Aug 22 21:44:00 <mimecar> if you reboot you lost ALL your data stored on flash
Aug 22 21:44:26 <Cyberdeck> yep. the "df -h" output was hard to read with such a big font at such a small screen.
Aug 22 21:44:57 <mimecar> you can write a bug report
Aug 22 21:45:12 <mimecar> to use a smaller font size on small screens
Aug 22 21:45:27 <Cyberdeck> naahhh. I'll try to fix it myself after getting the oe bitbake stuff running.
Aug 22 21:45:37 <mimecar> ok
Aug 22 21:45:51 <mimecar> but the fix will be only in your system
Aug 22 21:45:59 <Cyberdeck> currently i didn't get a working "compile" for my simpad. the zaurus is not used often by me.
Aug 22 21:45:59 <mimecar> after, upload it ;)
Aug 22 21:46:20 <Cyberdeck> yeah. indeed i'll give it upstream :)
Aug 22 21:47:31 * Cyberdeck thinks he should ask his supervisor if he can spent some worktime at the angstrom distribution...
Aug 22 21:59:21 <Cyberdeck> !bye
Aug 22 22:36:56 * xota saluda!
Aug 23 01:00:44 <seva> so the current c7x0 build doesn't start X on startup
Aug 23 01:01:00 <seva> any suggestions?
Aug 23 01:45:47 <carbonfreeze> so whats the story with FN button regressions? FN3/4 isnt calling display-brightness.sh in the most recent angstrom images
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 02:59:57 2007