**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 13 02:59:57 2007 Sep 13 06:04:09 hi all Sep 13 06:48:44 Hello, anyone could have a look on http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129 ? :) Sep 13 07:30:29 hi all, what gps app is OK for routing ? Sep 13 08:11:40 hi Sep 13 08:11:49 someone using gpsdrive or any other gps soft on linux ? Sep 13 08:11:58 gpsdrive sucks Sep 13 08:12:06 I use maemo-mapper on my nokia 770 Sep 13 08:12:40 is it free gps soft ? Sep 13 08:13:19 yes Sep 13 08:13:50 tks ! Sep 13 08:15:40 maemo-mapper-nohildon - why nohildon ? what's that ? Sep 13 08:19:58 ABC|dOC: i've used gpsdrive on oz Sep 13 08:20:10 worked beautifully, biggest pain was getting hold of maps. Sep 13 08:34:03 yeah very slow, huge loading Sep 13 08:54:52 Hello all. Sep 13 08:54:56 hi Sep 13 08:55:03 hey ABC|dOC Sep 13 08:55:07 and vanguard Sep 13 08:55:24 Hello XorA ! Sep 13 08:55:56 I just tested the latest image for akita. It does not work and should be removed. Sep 13 08:56:25 There were some errors something "CRC error detected" or similar. Sep 13 08:56:27 vanguard: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/akita/ Sep 13 08:56:47 vanguard: rumour has it those ones function better Sep 13 08:57:15 vanguard: the pimlico one is running fine here Sep 13 08:57:43 Ah, I see ! I did not know this site. I am always looking to the angstrom homepage. Sep 13 08:57:58 vanguard: its not a real site and the images arent official Sep 13 08:58:11 are the other one official ? Sep 13 08:58:19 koen: how about you chuck those images onto Angstrom site? Sep 13 08:58:29 sure Sep 13 08:58:30 What is "pimlico" mean ? Sep 13 08:58:31 unstable images , may give it away Sep 13 08:58:43 Hi koen. Sep 13 08:59:01 koen: is there an OE akita or do we lack that machine totally Sep 13 08:59:08 koen: But some of the images are not working. Sep 13 08:59:18 www.pimlico-project.org i think Sep 13 08:59:35 yup thats the one Sep 13 08:59:44 XorA: only CoreDump|afk got one donated, but that isn't an OE machine Sep 13 08:59:46 Yes, I see. Sep 13 09:00:21 akita still needs a machine mentor :-( Sep 13 09:00:35 * ade|desk may consider Sep 13 09:00:36 XorA: done: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20070909/ Sep 13 09:00:50 vanguard: there you go, they are now official :-D Sep 13 09:01:03 XorA: Do you know, if it is possible to conect a headset to the Z ? Sep 13 09:01:09 vanguard: it is Sep 13 09:01:26 How do I have to do it ? Sep 13 09:01:40 vanguard: plug it in the headphone socket, and set the mixer Sep 13 09:01:49 vanguard: but I have no headset so never used it Sep 13 09:02:03 I meant, via bluetooth, sorry. Sep 13 09:02:47 Those for cell phones, just to use the Z with wlan and bluetooth as a cellphone. Sep 13 09:03:04 vanguard: yes, if you have a usb or CF bluetooth adapter that works on Z Sep 13 09:03:43 I have. But how do I have to do it ? I suppose, this will work with notebooks, too. Sep 13 09:03:58 vanguard: you need to play with BlueZ Sep 13 09:04:26 Yes, I first have to connect it to the Z. Sep 13 09:04:54 I suppose, it is the same way, as connecting to a phone, isnt`t it ? Sep 13 09:05:20 vanguard: no idea, BlueZ is a mystery to most people Sep 13 09:05:40 :) for me, too. Sep 13 09:06:42 Anyway, not so important at the moment. Sep 13 09:06:58 But there is anaother thing, which IMO is more important. Sep 13 09:07:13 I am missing a package, which will install a new kernel. Sep 13 09:07:42 Whenever a new kernel appears, I have to flash new and all my settings are gone. Sep 13 09:08:12 Is it maybe possible to build a kernel-****.ipk ? Sep 13 09:08:37 you only have to flash a kernel, not a complete image Sep 13 09:09:15 But the flash is erasing the whole memory. Sep 13 09:09:38 Not the sd-card, of course, but the Z itself. Sep 13 09:10:09 vanguard: if only kernel is present, it only erases kernel partition, not rootfs Sep 13 09:10:27 vanguard: so flash with only zImage.bin and updater.sh on the card Sep 13 09:10:39 Ah ! Thats the way ! Sep 13 09:13:19 Just another thing: The bla**********rootfs.tgz is only the rootfs. If I have my Z installed as I want, can I pack the sd-card with tar to bla-myself-rootfs.tgz and backup this ? Sep 13 09:14:05 If so, I could restore this with altboot on another card or at some crashes. Sep 13 09:14:15 Am I right ? Sep 13 09:15:30 vanguard: I think so, but Im a touch confused what you mean Sep 13 09:16:54 I try to explain better. My Z is now running. I want to pack the whole sd-card into a file which I name bla-something-.rootfs.tgz. Sep 13 09:17:50 Then, I take a new sd-card, a bigger one, put this file onto it, and want to install this using altboot onto the new card. Sep 13 09:18:13 Now I have everything on the new card as before. Sep 13 09:19:55 Doing so, I could create my own rootfs.tgz, which can easily instalelled, and can create own profiles, like "networking-analyzing", "Desktop", minimalistic" or soethning else. Sep 13 09:22:33 I just want to understand, what the ************rootfs.tgz images are made of. Sep 13 09:42:13 XorA: the pimco-image is running on you device ? Sep 13 09:42:23 your Sep 13 09:42:45 vanguard: I have a spitz Sep 13 09:42:57 vanguard: and c7x0 Sep 13 09:43:25 Ok. I just tested, and it did not start from sd-card. Sep 13 09:44:01 The device is not seen. Sep 13 09:44:33 The bug is NOT in altboot, as the same altboot is working with another image. Sep 13 09:45:16 * XorA doesnt use altboot either Sep 13 10:03:21 I tested the new images. Sorry to tell, but you should not release the yet. Sep 13 10:03:52 vanguard: there is a few months untile release Sep 13 10:04:23 All images do not recognize the sd-cards (the device) , and the minimalist-image is nerding with "CRC errors bla bla " Sep 13 10:04:40 O.k., I know, it is unstable. Sep 13 10:04:41 :) Sep 13 10:05:13 So understand my last words as a feedback. Sep 13 10:05:19 please Sep 13 10:05:57 Im afraid without an Akita, not much I can do to fix it Sep 13 10:06:11 all we can do is hope for an Akita owning Machine mentor :-) Sep 13 10:06:47 Yes, I can only test and give feedback. And this is nerdy. Sep 13 10:06:56 Nerdy for you...... Sep 13 10:08:42 Do you know the main difference between minimalistic and console ? Sep 13 10:52:24 Can someone tell me, why some sd-crdas Sep 13 10:53:22 Can someone tell me, why some sd-cards, with only one partition are seen as /dev/mmcblk0 and other are seen as /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? Sep 13 10:53:59 All cards are the same formatted and parted. Sep 13 15:27:03 * XorA finishes debugging dodgy routers by phone Sep 13 15:33:23 how can I best convert an avi video for playing on akita? Sep 13 15:35:32 dcordes: did you see what I posted the other day? Sep 13 15:37:05 XorA: hm the thing about changing the resolution is rather important then reducing the bitrate? Sep 13 15:37:13 dcordes: no, I posted a script Sep 13 15:37:15 s/changing/decreasing Sep 13 15:37:24 dcordes: which I cant get to at moment as my ADSL is cutoff Sep 13 15:37:41 hm no didn't see that. I shutdown my box when I went to sleep Sep 13 15:37:58 what you mean your ADSL is cutoff? At work? Sep 13 15:38:29 dcordes: my ADSL1 is cutoff, so I need to switch router to ADSL2+ Sep 13 15:38:37 dcordes: which I cant do remotely :-) Sep 13 15:39:01 so you can't acces your home machine? Sep 13 15:39:05 dcordes: yeah Sep 13 15:39:31 you have 2 seperate ADSL lines? Sep 13 15:39:47 dcordes: no, thats why I need physically switch routers :-) Sep 13 15:39:59 dcordes: I upgraded from ADSL1 to ADSL2+ Sep 13 15:40:24 dcordes: which the phone company does at exchange, but I need to complete by switching router Sep 13 15:40:33 ah now I got it :) Sep 13 15:41:04 I have a nice little script for converting, I just cant remeber it off top of head Sep 13 15:41:22 using mencoder? Sep 13 15:41:25 yes Sep 13 15:41:42 I took a look at its manual but it was a bit too detailed Sep 13 15:41:55 dcordes: if your still around later, Ill paste it again Sep 13 15:42:07 its quite simple, and just needs one little fiddle for akita Sep 13 15:42:10 ok thank you vermy much Sep 13 15:42:25 what does it do besides decreasing the resolution? Sep 13 15:43:05 scales to 320x240, rotates by 90% to take advantage of the native framebuffer format, and reduces framerate to 300Kbits Sep 13 15:43:30 and re-encodes autio to CBR at 128k, its is a little shitty by works for tv stuff Sep 13 15:43:36 by 90% ? that's wierd Sep 13 15:43:45 90 degrees I meant to type Sep 13 15:44:07 oh stupid me Sep 13 15:44:19 can I use it with different input formats? Sep 13 15:44:21 nah, stupid me, I dont know why I thought % was degrees Sep 13 15:44:30 dcordes: can use it with anything mplayer will play Sep 13 15:44:38 great Sep 13 15:44:47 anyway its time for me to shift and find train home Sep 13 15:44:58 I hope it won't take too long on a let's say 700mb input with my stone old machine Sep 13 15:45:07 bye Sep 13 15:45:45 I get upto 190fps on my 3200+ amd64 Sep 13 15:45:55 never seen it less than 110fps Sep 13 15:46:02 so mentally scale those figures Sep 13 16:43:08 Hmm, there seem to be a difference between pimlico and gpe-image. It seems, the gpe-image still has kernel 2.6.21, while pimlico uses 2.6.22 Sep 13 16:44:26 The pimlico-kernel does not work with sd-cards. Does someone have a kernel 2.6.22 which recognizes sd-cards ? Sep 13 16:54:24 O.k., I checked it out. It seems to be the same reason, we had some time ago, with kernel 2.6.18: It might be the kernel-module for the sd-card. It looks lije the same bug some months ago. Sep 13 17:36:43 dcordes: there? Sep 13 17:40:21 heh Sep 13 17:40:33 * koen wonders why people confuse WMs with panel applets Sep 13 17:40:50 I should stop reading the users list, it rots my brain Sep 13 17:41:42 heh heh Sep 13 18:02:04 XorA|gone: yep Sep 13 18:02:44 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=300:acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 \ Sep 13 18:02:44 -vf scale=320:240,rotate=1 \ Sep 13 18:02:44 -oac lavc \ Sep 13 18:02:44 -ffourcc DIVX \ Sep 13 18:02:45 -ofps 23.976 \ Sep 13 18:02:47 -o "$OUTFILE" Sep 13 18:03:00 ~lart xchat Sep 13 18:03:10 that was all supposed to go privmsg Sep 13 18:03:11 could you pastebin it? Sep 13 18:03:32 or will just everything in one line work? Sep 13 18:04:25 http://rafb.net/p/JDXOgB85.html Sep 13 18:07:55 thanks again Sep 13 18:08:49 dcordes: feel free to feed that into wiki, I dont have the motivation anymore since buying a gp2x Sep 13 18:09:26 is movie playback better on gp2x? Sep 13 18:09:35 gp2x has hardware mpeg4 Sep 13 18:09:51 does it have wifi? Sep 13 18:09:56 unfortuneately its got crap battery life, and no wifi Sep 13 18:10:02 oh Sep 13 18:10:05 but video and tv-out rock Sep 13 18:10:07 I'm looking for ar new toy Sep 13 18:10:11 replacing akita Sep 13 18:10:14 its a game console, not a pda Sep 13 18:10:24 I'm tending to go for a gta02 or a htc device Sep 13 18:10:25 although the new gp2x does have touchscreen Sep 13 18:10:45 I think GTA02 has hardware mpeg4 Sep 13 18:10:58 at least some of the GPU's in the familly do Sep 13 18:10:59 doesn't it have that 2d/3d accerlation chip? Sep 13 18:12:27 the GPU in the gta02 will only run netfilter Sep 13 18:12:38 since kdrive depends on libx11, and that's a no-go for harald Sep 13 18:12:59 hm? Sep 13 18:16:28 * pH5 wipes tears from eyes Sep 13 18:17:19 what is harald Sep 13 18:17:34 a cool device manager gui? Sep 13 18:26:05 XorA|gone: it is encoding at incredible 17fps Sep 13 18:28:08 is it possible to resume the process? Sep 13 18:30:04 dcordes: nope Sep 13 18:57:59 XorA|gone: I just tried the play script on akita with the partial encoded outfile. Somehow "fbset -x 240 -y 320 -n" does not work. When I type this line manually fbset mentions the correct syntax Sep 13 19:03:41 it is not -x and -y but -xres and -yres Sep 13 19:05:03 ah now that's perfect Sep 13 19:05:10 thanks again Sep 13 19:19:43 XorA|gone: the aspect ratio is slightly wrong. Is there a way to correct that during playback? Sep 13 19:20:00 y is stretched Sep 13 19:25:32 dcordes: -aspect x:y Sep 13 19:28:05 Darth_Wader: hm that doesn't change anything Sep 13 19:28:22 strange Sep 13 19:28:30 try -zoom -aspect Sep 13 19:32:11 -zoom -aspect 1:2 modifies the aspect ratio to a correct value bit it crops off half the screen and makes things very slow Sep 13 19:33:04 dcordes: I purpsosely distort most video, change 320:240 to 320:-1 (or -2) I forget which to keep aspect ratio Sep 13 19:33:32 but then you need to add black borders to keep picture in center of screen Sep 13 19:36:16 are you talking about playback or encoding? Sep 13 20:00:58 dcordes: encoding Sep 13 20:08:34 ermm Sep 13 20:08:38 what the... Sep 13 20:09:25 anyone ran into problems with touchscreen recently? Sep 13 20:09:57 my h2200 doesn`t recognize ts anymore Sep 13 20:12:11 2.6.21-hh16 Sep 13 20:32:44 hi Sep 13 20:34:15 I cannot mount my SD card on collie (last images used), the error is "/dev/mmc0 is not a valid block device" :( Sep 13 20:35:23 I have modprobed both locomo_spi and mmc_block Sep 13 20:36:00 and created /dev/mmc0 and mmc1 according to /proc/devices Sep 13 20:36:03 on my ipaq mmc card is mmcblk0, not mmc0 Sep 13 20:36:30 and its partitions ara mmcblk0p1 and p2 Sep 13 20:36:49 well, the name is not important actually :) Sep 13 20:36:59 only the device major and minor numbers Sep 13 20:37:31 $ ls -l /dev/mmcblk0* Sep 13 20:37:31 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 254, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/mmcblk0 Sep 13 20:37:31 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 254, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Sep 13 20:37:31 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 254, 2 Jan 1 1970 /dev/mmcblk0p2 Sep 13 20:38:47 root@collie:~$ ls -l /dev/mmc* Sep 13 20:38:48 brw-r--r-- 1 root root 254, 0 Jan 1 03:41 /dev/mmcblk0 Sep 13 20:38:48 brw-r--r-- 1 root root 254, 1 Jan 1 03:46 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Sep 13 20:39:01 I have renamed them, now they're the same Sep 13 20:39:20 root@collie:~$ mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/card/ Sep 13 20:39:20 mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not a valid block device Sep 13 20:39:26 what`s in dmesg? Sep 13 20:39:32 btw, uname -a? Sep 13 20:39:47 Linux collie 2.6.21 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 10 18:39:04 CEST 2007 armv4l unknown Sep 13 20:40:16 hmm Sep 13 20:40:28 there are a lot of mmc related errors in dmesg output Sep 13 20:40:43 root@collie:~$ dmesg | tail Sep 13 20:40:43 <4> r5 = C3A93EC8 r4 = C3A93F20 Sep 13 20:40:43 <4>[] (mmc_rescan+0x0/0x1260 [mmc_core]) from [] (run_workqueue+0xdc/0x1b8) Sep 13 20:40:43 <4>[] (run_workqueue+0x0/0x1b8) from [] (worker_thread+0x120/0x158) Sep 13 20:40:43 <4> r8 = 00000000 r7 = C3979E48 r6 = C3A74DE0 r5 = C3A92000 Sep 13 20:40:44 <4> r4 = 00000001 Sep 13 20:40:49 <4>[] (worker_thread+0x0/0x158) from [] (kthread+0xec/0x128) Sep 13 20:40:51 <4> r6 = C0044C84 r5 = C3A92000 r4 = C3A74DE0 Sep 13 20:40:53 <4>[] (kthread+0x0/0x128) from [] (do_exit+0x0/0x8a8) Sep 13 20:40:55 <4> r7 = 00000000 r6 = 00000000 r5 = 00000000 r4 = 00000000 Sep 13 20:40:57 <4>Code: e1a03da3 e3530003 9a000001 e3a03000 (e5833000) Sep 13 20:41:30 that sux Sep 13 20:41:39 kernel oopses.. Sep 13 20:42:12 <7>mmc0: req done (CMD7): 0/0/0: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Sep 13 20:42:12 <7>mmc0: clock 125000Hz busmode 2 powermode 2 cs 0 Vdd 20 width 0 timing 0 Sep 13 20:42:12 <7>mmc_spi .0: mmc_spi: powermode 2 Sep 13 20:42:12 <7>mmc0: starting CMD55 arg 00000000 flags 00000015 Sep 13 20:42:12 <7>mmc_spi .0: mmc_spi: cmd55 (37) Sep 13 20:42:13 <7>mmc0: req done (CMD55): 0/0/0: 00000620 00000000 00000000 00000000 Sep 13 20:42:18 <7>mmc0: starting CMD51 arg 00000000 flags 00000035 Sep 13 20:42:20 <7>mmc_spi .0: mmc_spi: acmd51 (33) Sep 13 20:42:22 <7>mmc0: req done (CMD51): 0/0/0: 00000600 00000000 00000000 00000000 Sep 13 20:42:24 <7>mmc_spi .0: mmc_spi: read block, 8 bytes Sep 13 20:42:26 <1>Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 Sep 13 20:42:28 <1>pgd = c0004000 Sep 13 20:42:35 <1>[00000000] *pgd=00000000 Sep 13 20:42:37 <4>Internal error: Oops: c30b3817 [#1] Sep 13 20:42:39 this is somewhere before the previous output part Sep 13 20:43:02 I'm using the last images, and the mmc modules are supposed to work... Sep 13 20:45:09 if your images aren`t older than 1-2 days, then you may have same nice "gifts" as do i - someone messed up config at least for my h2200 Sep 13 20:47:13 they are 2-3 months old :) Sep 13 20:47:18 XorA|gone: is there any way to fix the ratio on playback? Sep 13 20:47:25 I already encoded the whole movie Sep 13 20:47:50 dcordes: -vf scale=200:320 or there abouts Sep 13 20:48:48 Encelo: no clue then except that you can run into hw problem Sep 13 20:50:06 Darth_Wader: yes, it's test code, after all, sd driver for collie on 2.6 has been built from scratch by reverse engineering after all :) Sep 13 20:50:15 lol Sep 13 20:50:31 Darth_Wader: but I had the hope... Sep 13 20:50:33 XorA|gone: makes it lag :( Sep 13 20:50:42 linux-based device with totally closed specs? Sep 13 20:50:56 dcordes: get yourself some CPU power :-) Sep 13 20:51:56 maybe cpu power for my desktop would sufice so it wouldn't take 4 hours to encode a single movie Sep 13 20:52:04 Encelo: collie SD card is waiting on a patch to stabalise and enter mainline, then the guy that did the driver needs a little time to catch up, he mailed the list a couple of days ago saying he was busy Sep 13 20:52:33 :( Sep 13 20:53:25 I hoped it was something that I was missing that caused the strange mount output... Sep 13 20:55:27 I want a Neo 1973! :) Sep 13 20:55:54 Encelo: u`d like to send sms with ed? Sep 13 20:56:12 with vim :) Sep 13 20:56:49 maybe someone should put emacsen as the essential req then Sep 13 20:57:39 openmoko already has quite enough end user applications, writing an sms with vim is a bonus :) Sep 13 20:58:04 i`m somewhat pessimistic about how it will work irl Sep 13 20:59:11 are you talking about openmoko functionality? Sep 13 20:59:41 yup Sep 13 20:59:50 I don't know if it will be enbraced by typical users, but for geeks it's a great toy ;) Sep 13 21:00:00 Neo can run Angstrom quite happilly, one of mine does Sep 13 23:52:00 Encelo: both emacs and vim run on the Neo Sep 13 23:52:24 nice Sep 13 23:52:35 I'm waiting for the final user hw revision Sep 13 23:53:09 rwhitby: sms-mode.el and sms.vim already there? Sep 13 23:57:16 Darth_Wader: dunno Sep 13 23:57:30 if they exist elsewhere they should work on the neo Sep 13 23:57:41 :) Sep 13 23:57:42 since emacs is an OS abtraction layer ;-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 14 02:59:56 2007