**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 15 02:59:57 2007 Sep 15 07:48:09 Good morning , everyone. Sep 15 07:48:52 I have just added a bug to bugreports. But I wondered: I saw only collie, tosa and C3xxx. Where is the rest ? Sep 15 07:51:27 Hello dcordes Sep 15 07:59:14 hi vanguard Sep 15 07:59:51 dcordes: Do you remember of the sound problem, we talked about ? Sep 15 07:59:54 I finnaly was able to figure out what our speaker problem is :) Sep 15 08:00:07 wait a second. Let me get my akita to see what the setting is Sep 15 08:00:12 just one alsamixer setting.. Sep 15 08:00:32 Well, I heard sound, but very low volume. Sep 15 08:00:43 yes yes Sep 15 08:00:45 same with me Sep 15 08:00:59 so speaker switch on Sep 15 08:01:03 and speaker volume up Sep 15 08:01:30 have to reboot, sorry Sep 15 08:04:05 Yes, I do just Sep 15 08:05:21 ok I don't know exactly which one it was but try to set Right Mixer Left Playback switch to on using the key Sep 15 08:05:47 it is the 4th regulator left from Speaker volume Sep 15 08:07:44 vanguard: forget that, sorry. The right one is Right Speaker Playback Invert Sep 15 08:07:49 set that to on Sep 15 08:08:23 left next to Speaker. I'm not really awake yet sorry 8-) Sep 15 08:09:05 Hmm, I cannot change the status. Sep 15 08:09:30 It is still on "MM" Sep 15 08:09:52 did you use the m key? Sep 15 08:10:04 No, up/down Sep 15 08:10:22 Ah, m-key is working Sep 15 08:10:29 it is not up/down unlike you might be thinking. That's what I did all the time Sep 15 08:10:46 Now, there is "00" Sep 15 08:10:48 heh- see. If somebody told me that earlier I might have figured the setting myself Sep 15 08:11:04 Same to me. Sep 15 08:11:06 yea that's right. Now play some song Sep 15 08:11:06 :) Sep 15 08:11:12 thank XorA|gone Sep 15 08:11:38 Yes, thank, too. Sep 15 08:12:06 At the moment I cannot test. My sound is gone at all. Sep 15 08:12:22 I have problems with the kernel-modules. Sep 15 08:12:25 How's that? Sep 15 08:12:39 In the latest image I fetched everything's fine Sep 15 08:12:42 There is a new kernel, 2.6.22, and it is not running. Sep 15 08:12:53 Oh working fine for me Sep 15 08:13:08 although my OE doesn't like to build modules for it Sep 15 08:13:23 So, I had to switch back to 2.6.21, but all the kernel-modules in the feed are 2.6.22. Sep 15 08:13:44 I can build you one if you like Sep 15 08:13:56 but the sound modules should be there from scratch Sep 15 08:14:00 Thats the reason, why I have version.-mismatch. Sep 15 08:14:19 experienced that yesterday after reflash Sep 15 08:14:30 would be cool if somebody could update the angstrom feeds Sep 15 08:14:38 They are ! Sep 15 08:14:52 But the latest kernel does not see the sd-card. Sep 15 08:14:54 hm? Why do you get old kernel modules then?? Sep 15 08:15:09 my sd works.. Sep 15 08:15:13 There are no old kernel-modules. Sep 15 08:15:27 You can boot from sd-card ??? Sep 15 08:15:33 no not boot. Sep 15 08:15:39 Aha ! Sep 15 08:15:40 I installed to internal flash Sep 15 08:15:50 That is working. Sep 15 08:16:07 didn't try to boot. Only flahsed from my 1gb sd to internal flash and I'm able to use my 2gb SD in angstrom fine Sep 15 08:16:15 But booting from sd-card is not working. Sep 15 08:16:29 vanguard: what exactly did you try? Installing alsamixer and booting using extracted initrd to sd? Sep 15 08:16:36 s/alsamixer/altboot Sep 15 08:17:53 vanguard: using an old image on the sd card? :) I hope not Sep 15 08:17:55 No, I flashed into ram (kernel and initrd), installed altboot and tried to boot from sd-card. Just before flash, I did an ipkg upgrade Sep 15 08:18:25 hm maybe that upgrade didn't upgrade the kernelk Sep 15 08:18:34 It did. Sep 15 08:18:46 No,not quite. Sep 15 08:18:49 I can't detail on that because I don't really understand which part of the system is ran from where Sep 15 08:18:53 It did upgrade the modules. Sep 15 08:19:12 I try again to explain: Sep 15 08:19:25 I had a running 2.6.21. Sep 15 08:19:25 nono I got that Sep 15 08:19:32 already understood Sep 15 08:20:03 Then I did a ipkg upgrade, which upgraded all kernel-modules to 2.6.,22 Sep 15 08:20:21 To get them active, I had to upgrade the kernel, too. Sep 15 08:20:40 So I took a new kernel, and initrd and flashed ram. Sep 15 08:20:56 in your place I would just backup my important stuff from SD and put the new 2.6.22 initrd to the card Sep 15 08:20:56 I installed altboot again in ram. Sep 15 08:21:51 Then I booted into sd-card, as I now have new kernel with new modules. Sep 15 08:22:09 But the new kernel does not see the sd-card. Sep 15 08:22:24 in altboot`? Sep 15 08:22:25 So I had to switch back to the older kernel. Sep 15 08:23:15 Yes, in altboot. Also manually mounting was impossible. See my Bug in bugreport. Sep 15 08:23:27 now that is strange Sep 15 08:23:45 We had the same bug some months ago. Sep 15 08:23:50 Do you remeber ? Sep 15 08:24:11 maybe do what I said, backup all your stuff, reflash internal flash again as usual, reformat your SD and put the _same_ initrd onto it as you have in the internal flash Sep 15 08:24:16 then you should be set Sep 15 08:24:31 if i recall correctly I had a similar thing with recent kernel version Sep 15 08:24:41 I fixed it the way described Sep 15 08:24:46 I cannot flash the sd-card, as there is no bla******rootfs.tgz available. Sep 15 08:25:07 Okay I see. Only those "install kits" right? Sep 15 08:25:12 Yes. Sep 15 08:25:29 And the only one is 2.6.21 Sep 15 08:25:33 think we need to but an angstrom machine maintainer, or I could try and get my image built so I can give you one Sep 15 08:25:37 okay wait a few Sep 15 08:26:15 Does it boot from sd-card ? Sep 15 08:26:40 I have a lot of applications, which do not fit into ram. Sep 15 08:26:53 vanguard: it should work as before Sep 15 08:27:24 I made a script, to automatically install all my applications. Sep 15 08:27:38 So it is easier, after a new flash. Sep 15 08:27:54 I could send it to you, if you are interested. Sep 15 08:27:55 do you do text production on akita? Sep 15 08:28:27 no thanks. I install my stuff manually. Also I don't think we use the same stuff really Sep 15 08:28:45 Yoe mean, wiorking with abiword ? Sep 15 08:28:55 for example Sep 15 08:29:23 or vi, nano- I'm just curious what you use your zaurus for :) Sep 15 08:29:30 I am making a lot with my akita. When I am on the road, I am writing advertises, and other things. Sep 15 08:30:02 It is just a little "notebook" for me. Sep 15 08:30:17 heh nice Sep 15 08:30:25 I use mine in first place for entertainment Sep 15 08:30:37 sometimes I make nots with it in school Sep 15 08:30:39 Yes, and I use it for network analysis. Sep 15 08:30:44 s/nots/notes Sep 15 08:30:53 Yeah, it is so cool. Sep 15 08:31:55 What I still need is internet access with my cell phone. It is still not working. Sep 15 08:32:09 so I hope the recipe will build now with which my OE was stuck yesterday. Will have your tar.gz then in about half an hour I think Sep 15 08:32:45 I get bluetooth-access, I get an IP from the provider, but I cannot get access, neither ping nor name resolv. Sep 15 08:32:51 vanguard: I would like to have one of those HTC cell phones with UMTS capabillity Sep 15 08:33:03 Neo ? Sep 15 08:33:18 no neo has no umts Sep 15 08:33:37 I took an eye on the XDA`s Sep 15 08:33:38 HTC is a big company making pda phones Sep 15 08:34:04 they are making the things that vodafone O2 and others sell as XDA vpa and bla Sep 15 08:34:14 also t-mobile sells them I think Sep 15 08:34:31 Yes, I was just in theire site. Really, nice things ! Sep 15 08:34:44 vanguard: you can run angstrom on some of them thanks to the #htc-linux people Sep 15 08:34:50 And are they running with angstrom ? Sep 15 08:34:58 some Sep 15 08:34:59 Cool ! So cool !!! Sep 15 08:35:20 some also are able to make phone calls and gprs Sep 15 08:35:38 but most are not so fast like the neo. Sep 15 08:36:30 I don't want to make advertisement here sorry but I really would like one of those :-) Sep 15 08:36:38 Yes, I see. As I am at O2, I hope, to get one from O2 in November. Sep 15 08:37:22 My choice was the Neo, but I prefer something with a real qwerty-keyboard. Sep 15 08:37:27 Heh I'm at eplus and there's no way but getting the most expensive celly from them I can get when my contract is ending in december and sell it :P Sep 15 08:37:39 vanguard: yes it also is the keyboard for me... Sep 15 08:37:54 but did you think about bluetooth keyboard for the neo? there are really really handy ones Sep 15 08:38:40 I hope, I can use the Neo as a modem. That way I could use my Z as the PC. Sep 15 08:39:09 Maybe in that case it would be less complicated to directly use the neo as the PC Sep 15 08:39:12 using gprs? Sep 15 08:39:16 vanguard: should be no problem Sep 15 08:39:29 dcordes: Yes Sep 15 08:39:31 ive just this moment got my z using my sony as a modem Sep 15 08:39:41 HRH_H_Crab: It is a problem. Sep 15 08:39:54 (which i did before with oz, but under angstrom i had to figure out how to do it commandline style) Sep 15 08:40:01 I cannot get access to the web, although everything seems ok. Sep 15 08:40:10 and load a few modules. Sep 15 08:40:11 hmmm. Sep 15 08:40:15 ive not actually tested that part, Sep 15 08:40:19 but i did get an ip. Sep 15 08:40:30 HRH_H_Crab: Yes, I get an IP, too. Sep 15 08:40:39 But no further access. Sep 15 08:40:42 eek Sep 15 08:40:44 right, Sep 15 08:40:46 time to tets Sep 15 08:40:48 *test Sep 15 08:40:53 No ping, no DNS resolv. Sep 15 08:42:06 (As I know, ping is prohibited by the provider, but names should be resolved !) Sep 15 08:42:25 you can't ping with gprs? Sep 15 08:42:33 Yes. Sep 15 08:42:46 Someone told about it. Sep 15 08:43:07 It is said, the provider do not allow this. Sep 15 08:43:49 It might be, that other providers will allow it. O2 and mobilcom does not. Sep 15 08:43:59 mine works Sep 15 08:44:06 that was a showstopper for me. Sep 15 08:44:06 vanguard: things look bad about your tar.gz rootfs Sep 15 08:44:13 I can't build libgpg Sep 15 08:44:18 if i hadnt got that, id most likely be back with oz. Sep 15 08:44:29 dcordes: No problem, I can wait. Sep 15 08:44:43 I will check with bugtracker Sep 15 08:45:09 HRH_H_Crab: Yes, internet is important for me, too. Sep 15 08:45:54 well i already had that working with wifi, but i needed something for train / bus etc. Sep 15 08:46:20 HRH_H_Crab: I have a wap flatrate, this is really nice. Sep 15 08:47:08 HRH_H_Crab: Are you from Hannover ? (your nick)+ Sep 15 08:47:28 no Sep 15 08:47:33 im from london Sep 15 08:47:48 my nick is pretty silly Sep 15 08:48:03 Oh, bad thing. Smile, youre on tv ! :) Sep 15 08:48:35 heh Sep 15 08:49:18 In Germany there are groups, which are using free wifi net. Sep 15 08:49:19 vanguard: what are yeou paying for your gprs flatrate? Sep 15 08:49:36 It is called "Freifunk" here in Germany. Sep 15 08:49:38 yay freifunk ^^ Sep 15 08:50:03 dcordes: It is only WAP-Flatrate. Costs 5 Euro/month Sep 15 08:50:12 vanguard: did you ever see one of their aps? I think they're rather present in bigger cities Sep 15 08:50:23 * pH5 can see freifunk potsdam, but my tx is not strong enough :( Sep 15 08:50:24 vanguard: what's the difference between wap and gprs? Sep 15 08:50:27 I have an AP. :) Sep 15 08:50:27 good morning Sep 15 08:50:29 we have a few of those in england, ive never bothered with looking at the prices. Sep 15 08:50:34 i only use ssh really, Sep 15 08:50:41 morning pH5 Sep 15 08:50:43 so traffic is low, Sep 15 08:51:17 and once when i was haggling with my provider, they offered me loads of free texts. i told them they were useless and i wanted cheap data calls or id leave 'em! Sep 15 08:51:18 HRH_H_Crab: ah you ssh to your desktop machine so it does most traffic for you? Sep 15 08:51:32 dcordes: WAP only allows WAP-Protocol, and GPRS allows every protocol. But you can surf with WAP on every homepage. Sep 15 08:51:38 well, i dunno what happened, but ive not paid much for my phone bills! ;) Sep 15 08:51:41 dcordes: yeah Sep 15 08:51:47 that's interesting Sep 15 08:51:53 dcordes: But sometimes the sites are looking bad then. Sep 15 08:51:54 i use it for boring stuff like updating gentoo. Sep 15 08:51:55 I really want to try getting online with my mobile Sep 15 08:52:07 how do you hook up your mobiles with the z? Sep 15 08:52:26 usb bluetooth dongle, Sep 15 08:52:28 and pand. Sep 15 08:52:29 vanguard: are you using links for browser purpose? Sep 15 08:52:41 nah Sep 15 08:52:46 Anyway, there are may interesting sites , which can be accessed with wap , too. i.e. wikipedia, heise and so on. Sep 15 08:52:47 id prob. use minimo for that. Sep 15 08:52:58 I only have bluetooth 1 on my celly Sep 15 08:52:59 but i dont do too much web browsing on the move. Sep 15 08:53:06 No, gpe-browser Sep 15 08:53:24 HRH_H_Crab: SSH is a fine way: Not much traffic. Sep 15 08:53:31 gpe-browser, don't like that Sep 15 08:53:32 mainly irc, updating home gentoo machines, maybe recording some tv shows. Sep 15 08:53:37 (all back at home) Sep 15 08:53:44 HRH_H_Crab: And you can use lynx, which suppresses images. Sep 15 08:53:49 yeah Sep 15 08:53:50 HRH_H_Crab: dvb-s? Sep 15 08:53:58 dvb-t Sep 15 08:54:01 Formerly I used konqueror. Sep 15 08:54:13 Firefox does notz work.... Sep 15 08:54:28 yeah firefox seems a bit borked under angstrom for me too. Sep 15 08:54:36 but im really liking minimo from what ive seen of it. Sep 15 08:54:42 HRH_H_Crab: I tried recording stuff once with command line but didn't manage. Only thing I made work was kaffeine :D Sep 15 08:55:00 HRH_H_Crab: Yes, input does not work. The ":" cannot be printed. Sep 15 08:55:02 i just have a little shell script. Sep 15 08:55:13 it cats the mpg device stream thing from the tvcard. Sep 15 08:55:14 dcordes: mplayer ? Sep 15 08:55:32 I think I also tried mplayer Sep 15 08:55:41 don't know was somewhat last year Sep 15 08:55:44 its really wasteful of disk space as the thing isnt compressed, Sep 15 08:55:52 tried to set it up for soccer world cup Sep 15 08:55:55 :) Sep 15 08:55:55 but great for catching your fave soap if you are stuck on a bus! :D Sep 15 08:56:05 (well watching it later anyway) Sep 15 08:56:20 HRH_H_Crab: bluetooth dongle on doesn't need extra currency, does it? Sep 15 08:56:33 what do you mean currency? power? Sep 15 08:56:34 s/on/on Z Sep 15 08:56:37 yes power Sep 15 08:56:41 yeah Sep 15 08:56:46 it drains the battery like mad :( Sep 15 08:56:53 well, Sep 15 08:56:56 I have an external battery but it is not that handy Sep 15 08:56:58 its not that bad, Sep 15 08:57:02 but it does take a hit. Sep 15 08:57:05 like one of the older ipods Sep 15 08:57:11 for my usb wifi Sep 15 08:57:17 yeah Sep 15 08:57:21 id say they are similar. Sep 15 08:57:29 all morning ive been sat here, Sep 15 08:57:35 farting around with bluetooth, Sep 15 08:57:41 and i had wifi plugged in too, Sep 15 08:57:54 needless to say ive got a tiny bit of yellow on my battery meter! ;) Sep 15 08:58:08 heh I bet Sep 15 08:58:19 time to put mr terrier on the charger i think, hes worked hard for me today! Sep 15 08:58:36 but i must say, Sep 15 08:58:40 im loving angstrom so far. Sep 15 08:58:48 akita's working everyday hard for me Sep 15 08:59:26 my next project is to get gps working, Sep 15 08:59:32 and gpsdrive. Sep 15 08:59:55 HRH_H_Crab: Get a GPRS-CF-card working. Sep 15 09:00:02 That would be nice. Sep 15 09:00:04 :) Sep 15 09:00:18 i have a little one that does bluetooth, Sep 15 09:00:26 and use that via the dongle too. Sep 15 09:00:30 HRH_H_Crab: I have a script somebody gave to me (also on this chan I think) which allows you to fetch google maps data ready for gpsdrive Sep 15 09:00:36 if you like.. Sep 15 09:00:40 well, did under oz, have to figure out how i did it and repeat under angstrom. Sep 15 09:00:48 i wish i had a cf bz. Sep 15 09:00:52 *bluetooth Sep 15 09:01:03 vanguard: with neo no problem Sep 15 09:01:04 id rather have that than the gps. Sep 15 09:01:05 dcordes: I have one for the cities. Sep 15 09:01:33 But you are not allowed, to use it (who cares) Sep 15 09:01:49 vanguard: somebody told me it is ok to use it for your personal usage Sep 15 09:01:54 but not give it away further Sep 15 09:01:56 dcordes: yeah id love that script. Sep 15 09:02:04 let me see if I find it Sep 15 09:02:27 dcordes: Hmm, no, the owners of the server do not allow, to download cards. Sep 15 09:02:42 But I can tell: It is working fine ! Sep 15 09:03:08 ok HRH_H_Crab got it. It's a tarball. How do you want me to send? Sep 15 09:03:24 29k :) Sep 15 09:03:39 dcc if you can Sep 15 09:03:45 don't know how. irssi Sep 15 09:04:00 /dcc send HRH_H_Crab /path/to/tarball Sep 15 09:05:10 HRH_H_Crab: Did you try to check out the new parking-controller-cams ? Sep 15 09:05:22 vanguard: nope? Sep 15 09:05:30 HRH_H_Crab: Are they ecrypted with WEP ? Sep 15 09:05:35 i dont drive so i dont really use it for that. Sep 15 09:05:43 HRH_H_Crab: ok sent. Sep 15 09:05:52 vanguard: not sure what you mean Sep 15 09:06:28 In London there are new cams, which control cars, how long and where they are parking. Sep 15 09:06:37 Those cams are wireless. Sep 15 09:06:44 interesting Sep 15 09:06:49 ask ccc Sep 15 09:07:06 I've seen a doc explaing how they hacked one of those cams Sep 15 09:07:09 ive never really dont that much with wifi on the road. Sep 15 09:07:14 wow Sep 15 09:07:26 that sounds fun, but potentially risky. Sep 15 09:07:31 theres all sorts of crazy stuff, Sep 15 09:07:34 There was a report here in Germany at heise.de, but there is an English speaking heise.xx available. Sep 15 09:07:38 like that ip over dns thing. Sep 15 09:08:01 so you can get internet access free from the places which charge. Sep 15 09:08:21 HRH_H_Crab: risky is in my opinion rather the fact that everybody can see you parking who wants to :D Sep 15 09:08:27 or do whatever you do Sep 15 09:08:34 but really, my phone / ssh solution works fine for me. Sep 15 09:08:34 HRH_H_Crab: Hmm, yes, but just send on the same freqwuency as the cam with enough power, and here you are, hehe Sep 15 09:08:40 in public or wherever cams are present (everywhere in london?) Sep 15 09:08:41 plus, Sep 15 09:09:03 ive done lots of wifi mapping with kismet. Sep 15 09:09:07 thats about it. Sep 15 09:09:11 just for laughs really. Sep 15 09:09:33 never spent the time to figure out how to crack wep, or the rest of it. Sep 15 09:09:46 I was in Berlin some time ago. It is frightening, how many cams there are. Sep 15 09:10:15 i wouldnt really like someone to use my wifi, so i couldnt justify to myself pinching someone elses! Sep 15 09:11:14 do you dudes make your own angstrom and packages? Sep 15 09:11:15 HRH_H_Crab: I understand, you are afraid. London is a good example, what Germany is going to. Sep 15 09:11:19 with bitbake and all that jazz? Sep 15 09:11:45 my wfif is OPN Sep 15 09:11:48 come use it :) Sep 15 09:11:52 heh Sep 15 09:12:00 im using wep with a fairly weak key. Sep 15 09:12:14 HRH_H_Crab: My wifi, too. I am member of "Freifunk". Sep 15 09:12:23 but i use an ssh tunnel to my proxy Sep 15 09:12:37 for http Sep 15 09:12:45 on your wifi clients? Sep 15 09:12:52 yeah Sep 15 09:13:03 so nobody can easily sniff your data sounds good Sep 15 09:13:19 my desktop machine is hooked up by cable and I don't do much wifi traffic at the moment Sep 15 09:13:19 well, Sep 15 09:13:20 yeah Sep 15 09:13:28 i did a bit of traffic sniffing with kismet once. Sep 15 09:13:36 just to sort of see what would happen, Sep 15 09:13:46 and lets just say, Sep 15 09:13:58 one of my neighbours was looking up holiday destinations! :o Sep 15 09:14:04 i was a bit surprised how easy that was, Sep 15 09:14:29 i wanted to go wpa, Sep 15 09:14:36 but i couldnt for various reasons. Sep 15 09:14:36 I never tried that Sep 15 09:14:49 lol prism2? Sep 15 09:14:59 dunno about that, Sep 15 09:15:07 nintendo ds can only do wep, Sep 15 09:15:10 You can try driftnet. It extracts the images from the traffic, hehe Sep 15 09:15:12 wpa does not work with my wifi cf using prism chipset Sep 15 09:15:18 and i think the airport in my powerbook can only do wep under linux. Sep 15 09:15:31 vanguard: driftnet? Sep 15 09:15:33 i think my z is the only thing that can do wpa! :P Sep 15 09:15:49 for me it didn't work Sep 15 09:15:58 well maybe not. Sep 15 09:15:59 dcordes: Yes, a tool, which shows you the images in the traffic. Sep 15 09:16:22 yeah Sep 15 09:16:22 dcordes: The naked girls, your neighbouers are looking at.... :)) Sep 15 09:16:26 driftnet is funny. Sep 15 09:16:30 HRH_H_Crab: wait the powerbook thing... it uses bcm43* chipset, doesn't it? If so do you use ndiswrapper for the driver? Sep 15 09:16:46 vanguard: lol have to try that Sep 15 09:16:47 nope Sep 15 09:16:57 dcordes: bcm43xx is working with native drivers !!! Sep 15 09:16:58 bcm43xx driver? Sep 15 09:16:59 im using kernel drivers. Sep 15 09:17:07 Muchj better Sep 15 09:17:11 vanguard: that's what I was trying to point at ;) Sep 15 09:17:28 HRH_H_Crab: that's bcm43xx then- and those do not support wpa? strange Sep 15 09:18:12 looks like its using orinoco Sep 15 09:18:21 and airport Sep 15 09:18:30 i dunno the exact chipset. Sep 15 09:18:35 dcordes: with Zaurus and wireshark you can do many neat thing. Sep 15 09:18:37 its an old tibook Sep 15 09:18:57 DCC aborted sending file gpsdrive-maps-0.01.tar.bz2 for HRH_H_Crab Sep 15 09:19:05 dcordes: bcm43 is supporting wpa. Sep 15 09:19:06 yeah Sep 15 09:19:13 i dunno why i couldnt receive it. Sep 15 09:19:19 But the AP must support it, too. Mine is too old. Sep 15 09:19:42 HRH_H_Crab: does the nick have to be identified in order to make it work? Sep 15 09:19:52 shouldnt do Sep 15 09:20:00 but i should identify myself anyway! Sep 15 09:20:06 Did you try wpaassistant ? Sep 15 09:20:09 let's try again then Sep 15 09:20:15 wpagui, too Sep 15 09:21:11 im not even getting anything in my status window to show a connection. Sep 15 09:21:20 dcordes: Do you know, if the poackage "kernel-image*****2.6.21.ipk" contents the modulkes, too ? Sep 15 09:21:47 no idea Sep 15 09:21:53 but I just fixed my build Sep 15 09:22:01 and you will have your tar.gt soon Sep 15 09:22:04 Cool ! Sep 15 09:22:22 You can send me via dcc. Sep 15 09:22:41 I hope I can Sep 15 09:22:55 You proved before. :) Sep 15 09:23:37 --> /dcc send vanguard /path/to/image.tgz Sep 15 09:23:41 :) Sep 15 09:23:56 :( Sep 15 09:23:59 vanguard: there are 400 tasks to go until the built is finished. I have no idea what me think it's done soon Sep 15 09:24:01 that means it must be me! Sep 15 09:24:33 vanguard: on my pentium III 500mhz system that is about 23 years Sep 15 09:24:38 hahah Sep 15 09:25:16 dcordes: I know it. Hehe, one day I built a 2.4.xx kernel on a 386-system with 16 MB Ram. Sep 15 09:25:33 ouch! Sep 15 09:25:35 dcordes: It lasted 2.5 days, but it worked. Sep 15 09:25:36 ok I have around 200mb Sep 15 09:25:49 complete angstrom build with x11 takes like 3 days Sep 15 09:26:34 im going to get into that. Sep 15 09:26:37 it sounds like fun. Sep 15 09:26:40 dcordes: I have an AMD X2, 64-bit, 1GB Ram, notebook. Sep 15 09:26:59 dcordes: 3 days. Ouch ! Sep 15 09:27:03 HRH_H_Crab: cross compiling things with slow ass systems? Sep 15 09:27:14 This is no fun. Sep 15 09:27:44 yea I bet my old ADLI box (it is year 2000 ready!) never thought it would ever build so much stuff Sep 15 09:27:47 well, no, i have a 64bit dual core athlon id use for bitbake i think. Sep 15 09:27:55 dcordes: Maybe you should release it to angstrom-distribution.org Sep 15 09:27:59 im actually running gentoo on p2 here, Sep 15 09:28:06 vanguard: I have no access Sep 15 09:28:14 so i *ahem* have learned some patience. Sep 15 09:28:14 maybe XorA|gone or somebody else will Sep 15 09:28:31 pH5: do you have access to the pre built angstrom images by chance? Sep 15 09:28:54 and i don't know how often i would consider building ALL of angstrom, Sep 15 09:29:07 but maybe just one or two nice ncurses apps that arent available yet, Sep 15 09:29:12 HRH_H_Crab: well since the new kernel it is much to rebuild! Sep 15 09:29:14 just to see if i could get 'em working. Sep 15 09:29:19 onec you have the base it's no problem Sep 15 09:29:20 HRH_H_Crab: Gentoo is too much compiling for me. I am using Debian. Sep 15 09:29:37 HRH_H_Crab: very useful if the repository is lacking this or that package Sep 15 09:29:39 Debian-AMD64 Sep 15 09:29:52 I'm using noobuntu Sep 15 09:30:14 noobuntu ? Sep 15 09:30:18 Whats that ? Sep 15 09:30:30 ubuntu is pretty nice Sep 15 09:30:33 it has to be said. Sep 15 09:30:39 Naa, I hate Ubuntu. Sep 15 09:30:51 i think all of them have their quirks. Sep 15 09:30:54 Ubuntu is windows-style. Sep 15 09:31:03 but if i was forced to use ubuntu by an evil overlord of some kind, Sep 15 09:31:08 i could survive. Sep 15 09:31:12 if he made me use redhat, Sep 15 09:31:15 id beg for mercy. Sep 15 09:31:30 although its been a while, Sep 15 09:31:36 it might be nicer now! Sep 15 09:31:39 If you understand linux, you will survive with every distribution. Sep 15 09:31:46 yep Sep 15 09:31:48 i agree Sep 15 09:32:04 Cause every distribution has a shell and a vi. Sep 15 09:32:09 after that, its just a question of comfort. Sep 15 09:32:28 The shell is comfortable. Sep 15 09:32:41 Much more tah clicking. Sep 15 09:32:44 than Sep 15 09:32:51 yeah but we don't all like looking at naked girls with aalib! ;) Sep 15 09:32:56 I use linux for only 2 years now Sep 15 09:32:56 And it is fast ! Sep 15 09:33:18 HRH_H_Crab: Thats true. Sep 15 09:33:32 mind you, Sep 15 09:33:39 with a nice framebuffer... Sep 15 09:33:42 I will try gentoo when I have a new machine Sep 15 09:33:46 im coming around to your way of thinking! ;) Sep 15 09:34:39 I am using linux with a nice combination of X11-tools and shell-tools. Sep 15 09:34:55 yep Sep 15 09:35:21 Using with X, administration with shell. Sep 15 09:35:53 i do a lot of console stuff because i like the mobility. Sep 15 09:36:14 So there is no linux or unix I am afraid of. If you know one linux, you know them all. Sep 15 09:46:22 HRH_H_Crab: http://rapidshare.com/files/55861914/gpsdrive-maps-0.01.tar.bz2.html Sep 15 09:47:15 thanks! Sep 15 09:47:48 I did not deal much with it myself because I have no working gps device Sep 15 09:48:33 i have some maps of london Sep 15 09:48:44 but they arent from google, Sep 15 09:48:47 and were a pain to make. Sep 15 09:49:51 I hope you understand how to use it because I don't / don't recall Sep 15 09:52:07 hmmm Sep 15 09:52:17 what audio players are you guys using? Sep 15 09:52:44 (on angstrom) Sep 15 09:54:01 mplayer mpg123 sometimes xmms Sep 15 09:54:25 I found the scripts, they are called "stadtplandienst". Someone interested ? Sep 15 09:54:44 HRH_H_Crab: I use the same as dcordes Sep 15 09:55:39 vanguard: what are they doing? Sep 15 09:56:00 also making gpsdrive maps? Sep 15 09:56:05 They are perl-scripts. You can get the cards for the cities, you want automatically. Sep 15 09:56:30 sounds similar to what http://rapidshare.com/files/55861914/gpsdrive-maps-0.01.tar.bz2.html does Sep 15 09:56:40 Yes, it is similar. Sep 15 09:57:21 could you try and dcc it to me? Sep 15 09:57:21 Maybe someone is interested....... Sep 15 09:59:18 It is very small. Sep 15 09:59:47 So I can send it to you as email, too Sep 15 10:00:07 it says 51mb Sep 15 10:00:19 Ups ? Just a moment.... Sep 15 10:00:23 11:57 DCC SEND from vanguard [192.168.1.100 port 41380]: stadtplandienst.tar.gz [51MB] Sep 15 10:00:38 how can I accept? Sep 15 10:01:02 Wait, I send again. There where maps in it. Sep 15 10:01:27 I think I wil lget a gps device Sep 15 10:01:44 dcordes: mine was pretty cheap. Sep 15 10:01:55 how much? Sep 15 10:02:02 A few kb. Sep 15 10:02:08 i paid about 50 gbp for mine, around 6 months ago, Sep 15 10:02:10 but now, Sep 15 10:02:14 if you buy online, Sep 15 10:02:17 they are half that price! Sep 15 10:02:28 hm what is gbp-€ ? Sep 15 10:02:41 great britain pounds ? Sep 15 10:02:45 yeah Sep 15 10:02:47 sterling Sep 15 10:02:56 i cant do a pound sign on this mac kbd! ;P Sep 15 10:03:15 !"§$%&/()=?` Sep 15 10:03:16 hmm Sep 15 10:03:31 well, not without farting around with gnome charmap anyway! Sep 15 10:03:36 You are lucky ! No Euros !!! Sep 15 10:03:48 € Sep 15 10:04:01 well it doesnt affect me personally, i dont travel much, Sep 15 10:04:05 * dcordes sighs Sep 15 10:04:11 good old DM times Sep 15 10:04:11 but i know a few people that would prefer we were using euros! Sep 15 10:04:22 dcordes: Did you receive my files ? Sep 15 10:04:30 let me see Sep 15 10:04:56 HRH_H_Crab: Since we have Euros, moost of the things costs double. Sep 15 10:04:56 system windows says you sent (6kb) but I don't receive it Sep 15 10:05:07 vanguard: thats not good ;/ Sep 15 10:05:07 Hmm, let me try again. Sep 15 10:05:28 I think I have to accept in irssi but don't know how to Sep 15 10:05:43 I can send it as mail. Sep 15 10:05:58 /dcc get i think Sep 15 10:07:25 vanguard: lukas.gorris at gmx . de Sep 15 10:08:15 vanguard: could you resend the file anyway since it timed out and I would like to try out if dcc is working for me Sep 15 10:09:12 Yes. It is on the way. Sep 15 10:09:49 hmm it says no file offered by vanguard Sep 15 10:10:19 It should. I offered again. Sep 15 10:10:59 again Sep 15 10:11:07 wierd. Sep 15 10:11:15 it shows some internal IP adress of yours Sep 15 10:11:31 Which IP ? Sep 15 10:11:36 192.168.0.100 Sep 15 10:12:07 That is not my ip. Sep 15 10:12:37 Maybe my router is blocking soemthing. Sep 15 10:13:13 12:10 DCC SEND from vanguard [192.168.1.100 port 36428]: stadtplandienst.tar.gz [6kB] Sep 15 10:13:30 Yes, 1.100 is correct. Sep 15 10:13:53 And it is 6kb. Sep 15 10:14:31 just email Sep 15 10:14:43 You already got mail. Sep 15 10:15:05 "You got mail !" :) Sep 15 10:18:50 ok got it. Thanks Sep 15 10:20:10 ah how do you extract tar files on the zaurus? Sep 15 10:20:29 I usually use tar xvf on my desktop but that is giving me invalid tar magic in angstrom Sep 15 10:20:31 You see, it is a perl-script. Maybe some commands must be commented out. Sep 15 10:21:08 As usual: tar xzf bla.tgz Sep 15 10:21:23 But this is not tgz. Sep 15 10:21:37 oh forgot the z Sep 15 10:21:39 It is tar.gz, try gunzip Sep 15 10:21:53 ok Sep 15 10:22:19 This file is only to get maps. Sep 15 10:22:37 trying the country script now Sep 15 10:23:06 Hehe, remeber, the download is forbidden. Sep 15 10:23:27 Your IP will be logged. Sep 15 10:23:32 sshh maybe somebody will sue you Sep 15 10:23:40 But who cares, when we use TOR. Sep 15 10:24:03 maybe you got bundestrojaner.exe Sep 15 10:24:23 I do not have even *.exe :) Sep 15 10:25:42 please run wine bundestrojaner.exe as root in order to view this site's content. Sep 15 10:25:54 Maybe, if someone will compromise my system, he will get a lot of trouble with the law. I am not afraid of Germen government. I worked some time for them, and I know, how they are doing things. Sep 15 10:26:38 I am not afarid any more. There is nothing more dangerous, than a man without fear ! Sep 15 10:26:52 interesting. You read the scripts of the planned law published by ccc? Sep 15 10:27:06 Yes, I read. Sep 15 10:27:38 And as my whole system is secured by passwords etc. it is not allowed for anyone to interfere. Sep 15 10:28:14 And if they try, they will get a lot of trouble. Even they have to respect the law ! Sep 15 10:29:12 Yes of course. That's why the new law is contradiction to anything present Sep 15 10:29:51 I am lucky, I am using no windows. Sep 15 10:30:05 Did you read about the latest microsoft update ? Sep 15 10:30:31 I'm really glad that I don't use it anymore either Sep 15 10:30:34 Microsoft did an update, without customers allowness. Sep 15 10:30:36 vanguard: no what does it do? Sep 15 10:31:24 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95970 Sep 15 10:31:32 Take a look. Sep 15 10:34:29 The reason they give is just hillarious Sep 15 10:36:10 Yes. But I believe Microsoft no more since , well, 1990 or so. Sep 15 10:36:22 You can see, when the lie. Sep 15 10:36:28 they Sep 15 10:36:39 Theire lips are moving. :) Sep 15 10:48:51 HRH_H_Crab: is your bluetooth device a navilock one? Sep 15 10:52:51 dcordes: Sound is working now ! Thanks !!! Sep 15 10:53:11 I copied the modules from my backup. Sep 15 10:53:46 Now I have to wait for fixed bug in the new kernel. Sep 15 10:58:28 I really don't think there is a bug Sep 15 10:58:47 are you using the image from 13th? Sep 15 10:59:07 No, from the 10th. Sep 15 11:00:02 ah ok I use that same image Sep 15 11:00:10 and my sd cards both work fine Sep 15 11:00:31 You can boot from the sd-card ß Sep 15 11:01:20 ah stupid me. Again I thought you were talking about mounting the card Sep 15 11:01:35 I will try when my build will work again Sep 15 11:01:54 mounting works, if running from internal ram Sep 15 11:02:38 Maybe, some modules must be built in directly into the kernel ! Sep 15 11:06:19 vanguard: what exactly happens when you try to boot from the card in altboot? Sep 15 11:06:29 does altboot say it can't find the card? Sep 15 11:06:54 Yes, it does not see the device. Sep 15 11:07:42 And when I try to mount it manually: mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card, it says: No such device. Sep 15 11:07:52 oh that really might be a problem with the new kernel then Sep 15 11:08:28 Yes, we had this problem earlier, and it was fixed one kernel-version later. Sep 15 11:08:44 Now the bug appears again. Sep 15 11:16:14 dcordes: i dont think so Sep 15 11:16:24 its just a generic usb dongle Sep 15 11:16:47 I meang gps not bluetooth device, sorry Sep 15 11:16:50 oh, the gps? Sep 15 11:16:52 s/meang/meant Sep 15 11:16:52 yes Sep 15 11:16:53 hang on... Sep 15 11:17:12 holux Sep 15 11:17:15 the cheapest one I found in german shops was 60€ Sep 15 11:17:16 gpslim 236 Sep 15 11:18:06 CF or USB ? Sep 15 11:18:13 neither Sep 15 11:18:15 bluetooth Sep 15 11:20:07 I saw one for 44,95 Euro. Sep 15 11:20:21 But I do not know, if it is supported. Sep 15 11:21:23 Oh, there is one for 35 Euros ! Sep 15 11:22:07 Look at amazon.de Sep 15 11:27:41 vanguard: bluetooth one? Sep 15 11:27:48 Yes. Sep 15 11:28:12 You get USB and CF there, too. Sep 15 11:30:53 Did you read ? iTunes no mor for linux users ! Sep 15 11:31:46 Apple changed theire databases. And all linux programs for downloading itunes do not work any more. Sep 15 11:33:04 Who needs Apple, when we have penguins. Sep 15 11:35:09 who the hell wants to use iTunes crud Sep 15 11:35:21 just install ipod linux :-) Sep 15 11:36:47 XorA|gone: No, this does not work any more. Do you understand German ? Sep 15 11:37:07 vanguard: ipod linux works, its linux running on your ipod Sep 15 11:37:32 and my german is terrible :-( Sep 15 11:37:34 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/96042 Sep 15 11:38:51 As my English. :) Sep 15 11:39:21 iPod touch is also running OSX so just crack it in same way as iPhone and run a decent media player :-) Sep 15 11:40:41 They say, access to the database is no more, as there are ney keys somehow. Anyway, I don't own an Ipod, and I do noz like Itune stuff. Sep 15 11:41:16 The whole thing is looking very suspicious to me. Sep 15 11:41:39 Much to commercial. Sep 15 11:41:42 vanguard: but that doesnt stop us for example flashing Angstrom on the ipod and using that instead of its normal OS Sep 15 11:42:25 No, this should stop nobody, to flash Angstrom on an ipod. :)) Sep 15 11:43:02 I am a great friend of freedom, and please, flash everything with open-source ! Sep 15 11:43:59 the new iPod classic has a broken sound chip anyway :-D Sep 15 11:44:30 XorA|gone: didn't the old ones use wolfson micro sound chips? Sep 15 11:44:33 I like players with sd-cards. Sep 15 11:45:14 dcordes: they do, but the new one uses a crystal sound chip that has a bug, it distorts the treble Sep 15 11:45:29 dcordes: iPod classic that is Sep 15 11:45:35 XorA|gone: Is this a hardware-bug ? Sep 15 11:45:36 dcordes: iPhone is Wolfson still Sep 15 11:45:41 vanguard: sounds like it Sep 15 11:46:07 Why does it not appear on original software ? Sep 15 11:46:33 Do they correct it by software ? Sep 15 11:47:29 XorA|gone: didn't you work for wolfson :) ? Sep 15 11:48:18 dcordes: I do Sep 15 11:48:30 dcordes: but it wasnt us that found the bug Sep 15 11:51:03 did somebody try linux on the classic yet? Sep 15 11:51:49 http://ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-classic-tests-reveal-audio-problems/ Sep 15 11:53:35 that's a downer for apple Sep 15 11:54:20 XorA|gone: could you do me a favour and take a look at my angstrom build problem in #OE? Sep 15 11:55:48 dcordes: no idea sorry Sep 15 11:57:47 anyway time for me to feed, bye Sep 15 11:58:40 dcordes: Is there a site, where all HTC-PDAs are named, which are running with angstrom ? Sep 15 11:59:20 http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine Sep 15 12:00:32 Ah, yes, thanks ! Sep 15 12:02:42 koen: am I allowed to mention hh.org stuff here? :D Sep 15 12:02:55 nope Sep 15 12:08:22 ok ^^ Sep 15 13:22:09 vanguard: found a nice htc? Sep 15 13:22:23 es, I found. Sep 15 13:22:51 But the price....... Sep 15 13:23:56 A fellow of me bought a N770. Sep 15 13:24:13 I like the HyTN from HTC. Sep 15 13:24:31 they have a keyboard and real nice graphics. Sep 15 13:24:33 don't know that one Sep 15 13:25:01 link? Sep 15 13:25:05 Otherwise, my bluetooth-gprs-connection is now working ! Sep 15 13:25:14 http://www.handit.de/index.php?fuseaction=cms_neu&seitenid=145&gclid=CJuln6_HxY4CFSKDZwodRS2UCQ Sep 15 13:25:36 vanguard: how did you do it? Sep 15 13:25:40 But I do not know, why it is now working, because I changed nothing. Sep 15 13:25:56 Maybe it is because I flashed new. Sep 15 13:26:34 All configurations by were unchanged. Sep 15 13:26:51 So it might be a kernel or module related problem. Sep 15 13:27:08 Meanwhile I did some updates, too. Sep 15 13:27:20 hm ok Sep 15 13:27:23 So some libs might be changed, too. Sep 15 13:27:43 you mean htc tytn, don't you? Sep 15 13:27:56 Strange: First /dev/rfcomm porohibited access. Sep 15 13:28:04 Yes, that one. Sep 15 13:28:27 TyTN II is neat Sep 15 13:28:39 They are all neat ! :) Sep 15 14:36:09 vanguard: sorry Sep 15 14:36:49 http://affix.sourceforge.net/gprs-zaurushowto.shtml Sep 15 14:41:22 vanguard: I'm not getting a network interface for bluetooth net Sep 15 14:41:58 There is no network interface for bluetooth. Sep 15 14:42:03 oh ok Sep 15 14:42:06 affix != bluez! Sep 15 14:42:41 koen: I sent this link as example for the chatscript. Sep 15 14:43:07 dcordes wants to access to the web with gprs and cell phone as a modem. Sep 15 14:43:30 So he has to set up all scripts manually. Sep 15 14:43:39 It is not easy....... Sep 15 14:44:21 If someone can help better than me, I would be pleased. Sep 15 14:51:28 vanguard: when I try to rfcomm bind it says no entry for rfcomm0 Sep 15 14:52:29 Did you edit /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf ? Sep 15 14:52:54 no Sep 15 14:53:04 Just do it. Sep 15 14:53:15 It is self explanairy. Sep 15 14:53:26 Choose channel 3. Sep 15 14:54:34 This is DUN-Channel (but forgot, how I figured that out last time. Somethong like lsusb -v |grep dial or similar) Sep 15 14:54:42 XorA|gone knew that. Sep 15 14:55:15 When you have finished editig, than di Sep 15 14:55:25 When you have finished editig, than do: rfcomm bind rfcomm0 Sep 15 14:55:46 somethings wrong with my usb Sep 15 14:56:02 modprobe ohci-hcd Sep 15 14:57:54 think my cable is broken Sep 15 14:58:08 This I cannot repair. Sep 15 14:58:27 :) Sep 15 14:58:47 You can get the adapter at trisoft. Sep 15 14:59:09 how much is it there? Sep 15 14:59:10 I lost mine and got a new one. Costs 9,90 Eu. Sep 15 14:59:51 I found no other shop, where I can get this, too. Sep 15 15:00:17 that's funny- 10 euro for a piece of cable Sep 15 15:00:30 it's just a reversed usb-miniusb cable Sep 15 15:00:38 Yes, and two connectors. # Sep 15 15:01:22 I am a radio amateur, and a morse key costs 70 Euros. 70 Euros for a switch ! Sep 15 15:01:41 yes it's my cable. tried a different one Sep 15 15:03:42 hm sometimes the device is recognized and listed on lsusb but I can't hcitool scan Sep 15 15:03:48 s/sometimes/somehow Sep 15 15:04:49 Hmm, maybe HRH_H_Crab can help. Are you root ? Sep 15 15:05:04 sure Sep 15 15:05:29 Is your BT working ? Sep 15 15:05:47 lsusb shows it in hci mode Sep 15 15:05:53 i will do a reboot Sep 15 15:06:00 O.k., what is telling rfcomm ? Sep 15 15:06:07 good opportunity to test if I can boot from SD or get the same error as you Sep 15 15:06:18 :) Sep 15 15:10:40 vanguard: where did you install altboot from? Sep 15 15:10:52 on the 2.6.22 system on internal flash Sep 15 15:10:56 Right out of the feed. Sep 15 15:10:57 before you tried to boot the sd Sep 15 15:11:04 Yes. Sep 15 15:11:12 didn't work for me Sep 15 15:11:26 I expected that. Sep 15 15:11:41 I told you, it is a bug. Sep 15 15:11:56 no.. I mean installing altboot Sep 15 15:12:07 but I just figured my wifi connection wasn't set Sep 15 15:12:19 installed. rebooting. Sep 15 15:12:31 I have the feed on my sd-card ( as my wifi is defective) Sep 15 15:12:50 hm microwave penne Sep 15 15:13:45 finnaly that funny beep sounds is working again when you run altboot :D Sep 15 15:14:19 Hmm, doesn't work for me. Sep 15 15:14:47 There are some modules missing, no bug. Sep 15 15:15:43 but you can get into altboot? Sep 15 15:16:34 Yes. Sep 15 15:16:49 But I cannot mount the sd-card manually. Sep 15 15:17:01 The device is not seen. Sep 15 15:17:11 See bug 2007 Sep 15 15:17:11 what does it say? Sep 15 15:17:40 Something like "no such device" Sep 15 15:17:47 Bug 2007 - New reciüe for gpe-snes 0.2 ? Sep 15 15:17:48 :) Sep 15 15:17:58 3007 ? Sep 15 15:18:15 ah ok Sep 15 15:21:12 I can't mount my sd card in altboot at all Sep 15 15:21:31 Yes, thats what I told about., Sep 15 15:21:48 bug confirmed. Sep 15 15:22:18 I will confirm it in bugzilla after I try to mount it normally in angstrom Sep 15 15:22:24 without touching it Sep 15 15:22:38 This will function. I trie Sep 15 15:22:43 This will function. I tried before. Sep 15 15:23:15 what do you mean by mountin in false way in the bug? In altboot or in the booted system? Sep 15 15:23:15 Otherwise I wouldn't have had no chance, to install altboot. Sep 15 15:23:25 In altboot. Sep 15 15:23:41 You can mount /dev/mmcblk0 Sep 15 15:23:50 that's strange Sep 15 15:23:55 how can you mount the whole card? Sep 15 15:24:04 Yes. It is strange. Sep 15 15:24:28 It is the same problem, as some months ago. Sep 15 15:24:36 where did you mount it? were you able to see files? Sep 15 15:24:52 No, I am not able. Sep 15 15:25:24 It will not function, as you will get the wrong partition table. Sep 15 15:25:43 Trying to fix it with e2fsck will break your cARD. Sep 15 15:25:54 So don't do it ! Sep 15 15:26:24 what does altboot say when you try to boot the "right" partition? Sep 15 15:26:30 It is a kernel related bug. Sep 15 15:26:42 No device. Sep 15 15:27:06 Or whatr do you mean ?? Sep 15 15:27:13 Booting from flash ? Sep 15 15:27:27 yes when you're in altboot, loaded from flash Sep 15 15:27:35 and try to mount mmcblkp0 Sep 15 15:27:44 it tells me: no valid block device Sep 15 15:27:44 Then everything is working fine. Sep 15 15:27:55 mmcblk0p1 Sep 15 15:28:09 I suspect the error to be in altboot not in angstrom/new kernel Sep 15 15:28:32 if it would be a kernel related SD card issue, we wouldn't be able to mount it in the booted angstrom Sep 15 15:28:41 since altboot uses the same kernel doesn't it? Sep 15 15:28:47 There is /dev/mmblk0 for the card, and /dev/mmcblk0p1 for the first partition. Sep 15 15:28:52 (I'm not familiar with the way altboot is working) Sep 15 15:29:11 yes same here Sep 15 15:29:15 THIS altboot is working fine withe kernel 2.6.21 ! Sep 15 15:29:16 as I have one partition on the card Sep 15 15:29:28 maybe the altboot needs upgrading Sep 15 15:29:32 No. Sep 15 15:29:35 I will build one and try to install it Sep 15 15:29:59 Except, altboot needs kernel or kernel-headers. Sep 15 15:30:08 maybe Sep 15 15:30:46 I can't try it right now as I'm still building angstrom-x11-image Sep 15 15:31:00 Doesn't matter. No hurry. Sep 15 15:31:12 I can run with 2.6.21 :) Sep 15 15:34:33 ok Sep 15 15:34:36 confirmed your bug Sep 15 15:34:46 I hope it is not us missing something important Sep 15 15:35:11 but in your case it is very stange because you can't boot the system which worked before on the exactly same card Sep 15 15:35:25 No, I do notthink so. Otherwise someone will tell us. Sep 15 15:35:27 I can try booting/mounting my other card with 2.6.21 system Sep 15 15:36:03 I can tell you already now: This will work. Sep 15 15:36:48 sorry let me restate this Sep 15 15:37:07 I will try booting from 2.6.22 altboot to my 2.6.21 card :) Sep 15 15:37:30 same thing Sep 15 15:37:45 I bet it is the altboot version in the repos... Sep 15 15:37:56 there are also tons of kernel modules for 2.6.21 Sep 15 15:38:03 hope they will update it soon Sep 15 15:38:39 I will wait some time, and then we will see, if something changes. Sep 15 15:39:12 It is in the bugzilla. And confirmed. Sep 15 15:44:18 maybe Zero_Chaos can help us Sep 15 15:44:25 he's also an akita person Sep 15 15:44:27 ^^ Sep 15 15:44:39 plus akita maintainer Sep 15 15:44:49 This will be fine. Sep 15 15:45:14 would be Sep 15 15:45:29 we should also bug him to upload .tar.gz of the rootfs Sep 15 15:46:02 Yes. I think, a rootfs.tgz should alway be uploaded. Sep 15 15:46:22 At every new version. Sep 15 16:43:22 dcordes_: my akita does not work, and I'm not the akita maintainer. Sep 15 16:54:18 hello@all Sep 15 16:55:45 Zero_Chaos: sorry about that, I referred him to you. you're listed as maintainer in the MAINTAINERS file in oe.dev. Sep 15 16:57:09 pH5: I maintain a few things (more if people would commit my work, but that is another complaint) Sep 15 16:57:22 pH5: but yeah, I am no kernel maintainer or anything. Sep 15 16:59:38 Zero_Chaos: aren't you akita maintainer? Sep 15 17:00:01 @all can someone tell me which bootloader i need to install on the hx4700 to use the angstrom-distribution? HTC, SVG or LAB? Sep 15 17:00:02 Can i use the h2200 How to? Sep 15 17:00:47 Zero_Chaos: not kernel maintainer. you're listed as akita machine maintainer for OE. not sure who did this to you ;) Sep 15 17:01:22 lhaes: you can keep the preinstalled HTC bootloader and install the SDG bootldr after this. Sep 15 17:02:39 pH5: I have an akita, but I was unaware that I was an akita maintainer Sep 15 17:02:46 :) now you know Sep 15 17:02:51 pH5: thanks Sep 15 17:03:30 can i use this http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700HowtoInstallLinux to install svg? Sep 15 17:04:36 lhaes: svg? Sep 15 17:07:08 lhaes: svg? Sep 15 17:08:32 PH5. i need some linux-bootloader for the hx4700 it can be the SDG Sep 15 17:09:09 pH5: i wrote some rubish earlier sry Sep 15 17:12:15 ok. yes, you can use that howto to install the sdg bootloader. Sep 15 17:13:33 my aim is to install linux (openmoko) on an sd or cf card Sep 15 17:14:35 lhaes: if you don't mind booting linux from wince, you don't even have to install a bootloader. Sep 15 17:14:48 HaRET can boot linux from sd or cf, too. Sep 15 17:15:39 pH5: so how to do it? Sep 15 17:16:11 pH5: is didn't any how to for my device Sep 15 17:16:45 sry i didn't FOUND any how to Sep 15 17:17:51 I don't know about a howto for hx4700, but the steps are the same as this: Sep 15 17:17:51 http://www.linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/README Sep 15 17:18:17 (only you should use current haret, the angstrom hx4700 images and adapt default.txt for that). Sep 15 17:19:48 ok thank you ill try it. after you mentioned haret, i found this http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET Sep 15 17:20:26 lhaes: yes, but the page isn't updated yet - there is haret 0.5.0 at http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ already. Sep 15 17:21:03 pH5: so ill use the newest one? Sep 15 17:21:38 lhaes: yes Sep 15 17:22:17 pH5: do you have an hx4700? Sep 15 17:22:57 lhaes: yes Sep 15 17:23:05 pH5: I ask because of the default.txt Sep 15 17:25:11 lhaes: http://en.pastebin.ca/698713 Sep 15 17:26:30 pH5 thx, can i ask you again when ill get in trouble? Sep 15 17:26:52 sure Sep 15 17:33:34 Hello, I recently flashed my SL-C3000 to the latest Angstrom X11 distro image and attempting to use the iwmmxt mplayer with -vo pxa and my screen "washes" out to white; I have to suspend/resume to see the screen again. I see someone had seen the same issue in the devel mailing list back in June, but it doesn't look like it got resolved: [Angstrom-devel] pxa mplayer video output driver does not found /dev/fb2 Sep 15 17:37:05 nick3_: I can only say it works on magician. maybe the problem is due to the vga screen? does it work in qvga mode? Sep 15 17:38:08 pH5: How do I switch to QVGA mode? I know if I add the 320x240 mode in fb.modes, I can output using -vo fbdev just fine Sep 15 18:13:26 nick3_: I don't know. my pxafb device is qvga only. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 16 02:59:56 2007