**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 23 02:59:56 2007
Sep 23 04:17:58 <loganaden> Greetings
Sep 23 04:18:08 <loganaden> I'm surprised to me so many people
Sep 23 04:18:51 <loganaden> I want to buy a Zaurus
Sep 23 04:19:02 <loganaden> For network auditing
Sep 23 04:19:24 <loganaden> Which model you you guys recommend me ?
Sep 23 04:20:30 <loganaden> My present choice is the 6000L
Sep 23 04:20:34 <loganaden> but I
Sep 23 04:20:45 <loganaden> I'm open to suggestions
Sep 23 04:28:09 <Darth_Wader> buy sub-notebook
Sep 23 04:42:27 <loganaden> Darth_Wader, model and brand ?
Sep 23 04:43:03 <Darth_Wader> asus EeePC :)
Sep 23 04:43:50 <Darth_Wader> or something like toshiba libretto or Fujitsu-Siemens of same class 
Sep 23 05:06:38 <loganaden> Darth_Wader, I'll look into it
Sep 23 05:06:47 <loganaden> TOshiba is available here
Sep 23 05:06:56 <loganaden> Asus too
Sep 23 05:12:50 <loganaden> Darth_Wader, thanks for the tip
Sep 23 05:12:58 <Darth_Wader> :)
Sep 23 05:38:38 <DaedalusX> awww what the hell? I told it to install to sd but it installed to /media/card/packages//usr/share
Sep 23 05:38:50 <DaedalusX> aaaand filled up my / partitition
Sep 23 05:39:09 <DaedalusX> buut none of the packages were marked as installed, because it filled up
Sep 23 05:39:14 <DaedalusX> soooo now I have to hunt down files.
Sep 23 05:39:30 <DaedalusX> is there any clean up function in ipkg? :/
Sep 23 05:42:17 <DaedalusX> why the hellllll
Sep 23 06:22:57 <loganaden> Does wifi work out of the box with tosa ?
Sep 23 09:16:51 <hx2k> koen, hello
Sep 23 09:37:49 * XorA|gone whaleslaps lrg
Sep 23 09:46:50 <pH5> koen: my 2008.1 setup tries to build xserver-xorg to satisfy virtual/xserver dependencies, but PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/xserver is set in angstrom-2007.1.conf. any ideas what this could be about?
Sep 23 09:49:49 <XorA|gone> pH5: all the machine.conf files have PREFERRED_PROVIDEF_xserver not virtual/xserver like it should be
Sep 23 09:51:07 <XorA|gone> pH5: I locally changed zaurus and got the expected results, but I didnt want to mess with X stuff if you were still in massive changes mode
Sep 23 09:52:48 <pH5> XorA|gone: well, massive change mode should be over. only xserver-kdrive 1.4 needs to be fixed either to stop hanging in the console keyboard driver on resume or to properly use the evdev driver for keyboard input.
Sep 23 09:53:45 <XorA|gone> pH5: I tried kdrive 1.4 on zaurus and neither touchscreen or keyboard worked, leaving me unable to log in to initialise USB to debug :-)
Sep 23 09:54:09 <pH5> XorA|gone: for touchscreen you need to add -mouse tslib on 1.4
Sep 23 09:54:11 <XorA|gone> pH5: we should probably change the machine.conf files to the right version then
Sep 23 09:54:37 <pH5> I haven't looked into the hotplug stuff at all yet
Sep 23 09:55:00 <XorA|gone> I also looked at moving the imageon patches forward, but all the mouse handling had changed
Sep 23 09:55:18 <XorA|gone> and I dont know enough about kdrive yet
Sep 23 09:56:11 <pH5> me neither ;) (which is a pity for such a central piece of software)
Sep 23 09:57:58 <XorA|gone> well hopefully next couple of months Ill get time to look into it
Sep 23 09:58:23 <XorA|gone> it would be nice to upstream imageon driver, but it needs changes to core
Sep 23 09:59:07 <pH5> XorA|gone: agreed, unfortunately it doesn't work at all yet on hx4700 :(
Sep 23 09:59:43 <XorA|gone> pH5: get sirfred a hx4700 + a couple of weeks spare time :-D
Sep 23 10:01:55 <pH5> heh, if only I had a spare one.
Sep 23 10:02:18 <XorA|gone> anyway I have to go clean my house which I was too lazy to do yesterday
Sep 23 10:02:43 <pH5> have fun
Sep 23 10:47:19 <mimecar> morning
Sep 23 13:33:42 <vanguard> Hi ! Is someone running the build-environment with Debian ?
Sep 23 13:34:23 <vanguard> Somehow it cannot find the bitbake.conf, I suppose a wrong path entry in source-me.txt
Sep 23 14:09:47 <vanguard> To setup an environment is no fun !!!
Sep 23 14:11:52 <vanguard> Giving up. Bad stuff. 
Sep 23 14:18:19 <vanguard> bitbake will be no friend of me, as long, as there are no easy to install Debian packages with out-of-the box scripts ! I don`t want to edit all the scripts by myself for hours, there are other more omportant things, than to develop an environment and find all the misconfigurations in it. Sorry, this is no fun for me !
Sep 23 14:19:20 <Darth_Wader> if you can read through documentation, then go back to windows, there you can click next-next-finish and have phun
Sep 23 14:19:29 <Darth_Wader> *can`t
Sep 23 14:20:16 <vanguard|away> No,. I can read, but explannations are much too rare. Why is there no ready built package ?
Sep 23 14:20:23 <vanguard|away> Install, ready.
Sep 23 14:20:56 <Darth_Wader> maybe its because noone with your device around f.e?
Sep 23 14:23:05 <Darth_Wader> and OE/Angstrom/bitbake setup is pretty straightforward
Sep 23 14:23:44 <vanguard|away> No, but I did as in docu described, but get errors instead. Paths must be completely changed, and I asked myself: Why to get bb.tar.gz, we
Sep 23 14:23:57 <vanguard|away> No, but I did as in docu described, but get errors instead. Paths must be completely changed, and I asked myself: Why to get bb.tar.gz, when there is a package available ?
Sep 23 14:24:55 <vanguard|away> Why confusing people ? IMO it would be easier, to explain a litle bit more. But I guess, you do not want to have newbies in your groups.
Sep 23 14:25:17 <Darth_Wader> because bb is written in python and .tar.gz already IS the package, in generic form but works right after unpack and adding bitbake-version/bin to $PATH
Sep 23 14:26:13 <Darth_Wader> hmm, for me the setup instructions was really simple, if you can`t do as explained in it, maybe its not your area of interest then?
Sep 23 14:27:52 <vanguard> Well, I had installed the debian-package (why should I not !) , and therefore nothing compares to the description. Transferring it, is not easy, as the explanations are mor than rare. Anyway, so I will not look after improvements and wait.
Sep 23 14:28:47 <Darth_Wader> i didn`t install anything but monotone from packages for my distro
Sep 23 14:29:59 <vanguard> Yes, and that is the problem. Why not using ready made packages. Always doing this weired stuff. Why making it always so complicated for people.
Sep 23 14:30:07 <koen> If you deviate from the instruction you void your right to complain about them
Sep 23 14:32:47 <Darth_Wader> vanguard: for example, your distro may not include *recent* versions of essential sw, and koen are right -- if youe deviating from instructions, you pretend that you know what you doing, so no complaints of such king could be made then
Sep 23 14:33:05 <vanguard> Yes, and getting in danger to brak my hole system, because maybe other things are no more found and so on. No thanks, this is not the kind, I want to work. 
Sep 23 14:34:32 <vanguard> Anyway, no problem. I suppose, someone more cleverer than me will find the bugs some day. I can wait ! 
Sep 23 14:48:54 <mimecar> jo
Sep 23 14:48:55 <mimecar> hi
Sep 23 14:49:32 <Darth_Wader> hi
Sep 23 14:49:41 <mimecar> hi dcordes
Sep 23 14:49:54 <mimecar> dcordes: i fnished the icon theme this night
Sep 23 14:51:26 <dcordes> mimecar: hey nice
Sep 23 14:51:36 <dcordes> is it in the repo?
Sep 23 14:52:20 <mimecar> not actually
Sep 23 14:52:33 <dcordes> can I test it though?
Sep 23 14:52:56 <mimecar> http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24728
Sep 23 14:53:24 <mimecar> I've posted a image with all the icons and a link to the icon theme
Sep 23 14:54:04 <mimecar> i used gnome 2.20 icons
Sep 23 14:54:46 <dcordes> I see very nice
Sep 23 14:55:46 <mimecar> http://www.innerzaurus.com/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=230&Itemid=185
Sep 23 14:56:04 <mimecar> on the second link, there're screen caps of my zaurus with the icon theme
Sep 23 14:56:25 <dcordes> mimecar: is the site down?
Sep 23 14:56:32 <mimecar> no
Sep 23 14:56:57 <mimecar> i tested link for icon theme and works
Sep 23 14:58:50 <mimecar> dcordes: have you problems with the link?
Sep 23 15:02:58 <dcordes> mimecar: I can't connect to http://www.innerzaurus.com
Sep 23 15:03:34 <mimecar> it's strange, I can
Sep 23 15:04:25 <mimecar> there's a redirection to ....com/CMS
Sep 23 15:04:35 <mimecar> i tested with konqueror and firefox
Sep 23 15:06:52 <mimecar> wha'ts the error you get?
Sep 23 15:08:26 <Darth_Wader> hmmm
Sep 23 15:08:37 <Darth_Wader> how do i specify preferred version of gcc-cross?
Sep 23 15:09:04 <mimecar> i don't know Darth_Wader
Sep 23 15:09:14 <koen> that's the wrong question to ask
Sep 23 15:09:16 <mimecar> dould you fixed the problem you had yestrday=
Sep 23 15:09:38 <Darth_Wader> koen: ?
Sep 23 15:10:03 <koen> a question like that indicates you're doing something very wrong
Sep 23 15:10:44 <Darth_Wader> not me but oe/angstrom, the default 4.2.1 doesn`t want to compile
Sep 23 15:11:15 <koen> both 2008.1 and 2007.9 compile without errors for me and the autobuilder
Sep 23 15:11:50 <Darth_Wader> i`ve did full rebuild from scratch.. same result, it fails at self-reconfiguration 
Sep 23 15:11:58 <Darth_Wader> http://pastebin.ca/707388
Sep 23 15:13:13 <Darth_Wader> and as i`ve said last night, i can`t understand why it build fortran compiler by default
Sep 23 15:14:48 <mimecar> dcordes: can you access?
Sep 23 15:19:09 <dcordes> mimecar: unfortunately not
Sep 23 15:19:50 <mimecar> what's you navigator and OS?
Sep 23 15:19:56 <dcordes> monotone takes long time to compile
Sep 23 15:20:02 <dcordes> it did not think it was that big
Sep 23 15:20:15 <dcordes> mimecar: I have firefox and 2.6.22 kernel
Sep 23 15:20:26 <dcordes> debian based OS :-)
Sep 23 15:20:31 <mimecar> what's the error you get?
Sep 23 15:20:43 <dcordes> I don't get any it just loads
Sep 23 15:20:46 <dcordes> and loads..
Sep 23 15:21:04 <dcordes> Server not found
Sep 23 15:21:10 <mimecar> :(
Sep 23 15:21:19 <mimecar> http://www.innerzaurus.com/CMS/descargas/Gnome_2.20_v1_for_GPE.tar.gz
Sep 23 15:21:23 <mimecar> that' the direct link
Sep 23 15:21:27 <mimecar> try with wget
Sep 23 15:22:02 <dcordes> Resolving www.innerzaurus.com... 
Sep 23 15:22:06 <dcordes> not looking good
Sep 23 15:22:38 <mimecar> can somebody check the link?
Sep 23 15:23:04 <mimecar> check 86.109.96.30)
Sep 23 15:23:12 <mimecar> it can be a problem with dns
Sep 23 15:23:30 <dcordes> obviously not
Sep 23 15:23:35 <dcordes> 86.109.96.30 not working either
Sep 23 15:26:44 <mimecar> dcordes: I'm uploading file to OE
Sep 23 15:28:12 <mimecar> http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=30&t=24728&st=0#entry167798
Sep 23 15:32:38 <mimecar> dcordes: if your browse open the file directly (without the option to download), right button over the atachment and select save as
Sep 23 15:32:56 <mimecar> you can rename it on your pc to Gnome icon theme.tar.gz
Sep 23 15:46:15 <mimecar> dcordes: better?
Sep 23 15:55:19 <mimeca1> re
Sep 23 15:55:26 <mimeca1> I lost communication
Sep 23 15:56:36 <mimeca1> dcordes: did you get it?
Sep 23 16:04:02 <mimeca1> hi xota
Sep 23 16:08:42 <xota> hi mimeca1 how are u?
Sep 23 16:09:28 <mimeca1> working with zaurus
Sep 23 16:12:32 <mimeca1> goodbye mimecar
Sep 23 16:27:31 <mimecar> bye..
Sep 23 18:18:58 <mimecar> re
Sep 23 18:19:15 <Darth_Wader> re
Sep 23 19:06:09 <mimeca1> memenarsil: where're you from?
Sep 23 19:08:30 <memenarsil> mimeca1, Costa Rica. 
Sep 23 19:08:52 <mimeca1> that "prueba" was great :P
Sep 23 19:59:59 <DaedalusX> hi all
Sep 23 20:12:03 <DaedalusX> does anyone know anything about the current limit mod for the usb host circuitry on the clamshell zaurii?
Sep 23 20:40:48 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX, its about 100mA
Sep 23 20:49:42 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, yeah, I was looking for a description of which resistor I had to replace for the mod
Sep 23 20:49:50 <DaedalusX> I found a working site, thanks anyway
Sep 23 20:49:58 <DaedalusX> unfortunately, I don't have any SMD resistors that small
Sep 23 20:49:59 <DaedalusX> damn :P
Sep 23 20:50:06 <DaedalusX> I'll have to talk to the local electronics place
Sep 23 20:50:11 <DaedalusX> because I'm totally doing the mod
Sep 23 20:50:17 <DaedalusX> it's just one resistor. easy as pie.
Sep 23 20:51:23 <DaedalusX> I understand that anything more than 100 mA would eat battery, but why on earth did sharp put such a low current limit on the usb host port? it's iiiirrritating
Sep 23 21:06:08 <DaedalusX> is there a good tutorial for tweaking ipaq-sleep?
Sep 23 21:36:26 <DaedalusX> ipaq-sleep dims the screen just fine, but never brightens it back up afterwards
Sep 23 22:49:40 <DaedalusX> hmmmm, if you minimize xmms, it disappears completely from the window manager's window lists
Sep 24 00:25:36 <PceKper> Hi from argentina!, some questions if there is anybody alive. I manage to boot anstrom from sd and from cf in a hx4700, using haret, but when the pda hangs for something a i have to hard reset it the filesystem ends messed up. I tested to remount in ro and of course that when i reset nothing happens to the filesystem. This behaviour is not the same for familiar 0.8.4 and kernel 2.6.16 
Sep 24 00:27:43 <PceKper> there is some settings in angstrom that you can point me to change for testing and debug this particular behaviour
Sep 24 00:27:48 <PceKper> ??
Sep 24 02:49:44 <dcordes> PceKper: hello. Unfortunately I have no hx4700, only a zaurus akita but maybe I can help. What exactly is your problem,  I didn't really understand
Sep 24 02:50:01 <Darth_Wader> hmm
Sep 24 02:50:47 <Darth_Wader> is there any way to force bitbake to put every compiled package in .ipk, not only results of *-image?
Sep 24 02:50:47 <dcordes> hi Darth_Wader 
Sep 24 02:50:51 <Darth_Wader> i
Sep 24 02:50:52 <Darth_Wader> hi
Sep 24 02:51:10 <dcordes> Darth_Wader: all packages you build are in build
Sep 24 02:51:29 <dcordes> doesn't matter if you build for a meta package/recipe like an angstrom-x11-image or such
Sep 24 02:51:41 <dcordes> all packagges built during the process are saved
Sep 24 02:53:16 <dcordes> Darth_Wader: packages I build for my akita go to OE/build/tmp/angstrom/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv5te
Sep 24 02:53:29 <Darth_Wader> i understand
Sep 24 02:53:42 <dcordes> what are you building for?
Sep 24 02:53:54 <Darth_Wader> but it`s all only if i build image...  if i do build something discrete, then i`ll get only the <discrete>.ipk and not the build-requires of it
Sep 24 02:55:31 <dcordes> Darth_Wader: also the dependencies should go to that dir
Sep 24 02:57:02 <Darth_Wader> but they don`t
Sep 24 02:57:19 <Darth_Wader> only if i explicitly bitbake them
Sep 24 02:57:20 <dcordes> you checked with find if the thing you are looking for ended up anywhere in build?
Sep 24 02:57:33 <dcordes> hm no idea then
Sep 24 02:57:53 <dcordes> don't want to feed wrong infos I'm not so advanced myself
Sep 24 02:57:55 <Darth_Wader> they all stops after do_populate_staging
Sep 24 02:58:01 <dcordes> ah I see
Sep 24 02:58:43 <dcordes> -c CMD, --cmd=CMD     Specify task to execute.
Sep 24 02:59:25 <dcordes> I don't know if that is passed only to the explicitly named package or also for its dependencies just try
Sep 24 02:59:32 <dcordes> otherwise ask in #OE
Sep 24 02:59:32 <Darth_Wader> only
Sep 24 02:59:49 <Darth_Wader> hm..
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