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Oct 06 06:13:55 <summatusmentis> anyone around that's done usb networking and internet sharing?
Oct 06 07:21:44 <proj> hello, anyone experienced with angstrom/collie? i would like to install a recent version (currently running oz3.5.3/opie1.2)
Oct 06 07:22:41 <proj> the most recent build folders are empty for collie so a little unsure about supported versions for sl5000
Oct 06 07:24:27 <hx2k> zaurus?
Oct 06 07:24:32 <proj> yessir
Oct 06 07:24:54 <hx2k> :-)
Oct 06 07:24:58 <proj> i'm still on old openzaurus builds
Oct 06 07:25:32 <proj> i'm okay on the bleeding edge as long as it doesn't brick
Oct 06 07:25:34 <proj> :D
Oct 06 07:28:18 <proj> latest drop seems to be http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070709/
Oct 06 07:29:41 <proj> which seems much different from the what was previously available http://www.openzaurus.org/download/3.5.3/sl5000,sl5500/
Oct 06 07:30:04 <HRH_H_Crab> ive moved to angstrom recently.
Oct 06 07:30:09 <HRH_H_Crab> it seems very nice indeed.
Oct 06 07:30:11 <proj> notably the boot images that are chosen for specific memory/storage
Oct 06 07:30:22 <HRH_H_Crab> if anything it works better than oz did, and is more polished! ;P
Oct 06 07:30:23 <proj> crab, which device?
Oct 06 07:30:33 <HRH_H_Crab> oh
Oct 06 07:30:37 <HRH_H_Crab> its not on a collie
Oct 06 07:30:43 <HRH_H_Crab> its on a terrier (i think)
Oct 06 07:30:55 <HRH_H_Crab> c3200
Oct 06 07:30:56 <proj> did you install minamlist rom?
Oct 06 07:31:08 <HRH_H_Crab> nope, i installed the x rom from the last batch but one.
Oct 06 07:31:24 <HRH_H_Crab> i think its now got an "office" image and a "pimlico" image.
Oct 06 07:31:29 <HRH_H_Crab> not too sure about those.
Oct 06 07:32:03 <proj> it seems like cxx wasn't well supported on OZ in the past?
Oct 06 07:32:25 <HRH_H_Crab> i had no real problems with oz personally,
Oct 06 07:32:25 <proj> but angstrom is a different story? the overall approach seems a bit different now
Oct 06 07:32:39 <HRH_H_Crab> and certainly liked it a lot more than my translated sharp rom.
Oct 06 07:32:45 <HRH_H_Crab> angstrom seems even better.
Oct 06 07:32:59 <HRH_H_Crab> there have been a couple of glitches, but they are minor.
Oct 06 07:33:18 <HRH_H_Crab> my main hassles have been lack of an mp3 player that i /really/ like,
Oct 06 07:33:30 <HRH_H_Crab> but ive got through that with mplayer and some bash scripts,
Oct 06 07:33:47 <HRH_H_Crab> and i cant seem to get my gps working via bluetooth, but that seems to be a pairing problem.
Oct 06 07:33:52 <HRH_H_Crab> everything else is working fine.
Oct 06 07:33:59 <hx2k> crab, try mpd
Oct 06 07:34:03 <proj> not really angstrom specific but packages then?
Oct 06 07:34:11 <HRH_H_Crab> i dont think its in angstrom yet, hx2k.
Oct 06 07:34:17 <HRH_H_Crab> thats what i was using with oz ;)
Oct 06 07:34:30 <HRH_H_Crab> proj: indeed.
Oct 06 07:34:35 <HRH_H_Crab> ive never tried it on a collie,
Oct 06 07:34:39 <hx2k> develop it then
Oct 06 07:34:47 <HRH_H_Crab> but as i say, on c3200, angstrom is awesome.
Oct 06 07:34:55 <HRH_H_Crab> hx2k: id love to, but im no programmer.
Oct 06 07:35:08 <HRH_H_Crab> i do intend (at some stage) to sort out a build chain though,
Oct 06 07:35:14 <HRH_H_Crab> with bitbake and all that jazz,
Oct 06 07:35:20 <HRH_H_Crab> so i can try building stuff for myself.
Oct 06 07:35:20 <proj> so.. openembedded is that an all in one cross compiler build environment built on gnu stuff?
Oct 06 07:35:29 <HRH_H_Crab> proj: yep i think so.
Oct 06 07:35:31 <hx2k> or google: mpd.ipk
Oct 06 07:35:53 <HRH_H_Crab> im actually kind of eager to see how starling turns out.
Oct 06 07:36:00 <proj> i've done homebrew on a few embedded platforms years ago and building your own cross compiler and tool chain was always a pain
Oct 06 07:37:19 <HRH_H_Crab> well from what very litte research into oe/bitbake that ive done,
Oct 06 07:37:32 <HRH_H_Crab> it doesnt sound like a great deal of hassle to get a working system together.
Oct 06 07:37:36 <proj> hmm.. no md5 sums anymore
Oct 06 07:41:37 <proj> well here goes nothing.. angstrom minimalist+zImage-collie.bin
Oct 06 07:41:55 <HRH_H_Crab> gl
Oct 06 07:42:21 <proj> thx
Oct 06 07:47:05 <proj> well it certainly is minimalist...
Oct 06 07:50:48 <proj> my keymap is not right
Oct 06 10:15:53 <zap> If I have hidden the Matchbox panel, how do I show it again?
Oct 06 14:23:18 <timtimred> are the sites/svn all down?
Oct 06 14:23:51 <timtimred> oops not svn, just sites!
Oct 06 15:16:38 <fabian2_de> Hey Guys! Is anyone there who can help me with Angström running on iPaq H5550? I installed it correctly (I think) and ttyS0 works fine, but the display stays white whatever I do... I used the newest Angström image avaliable for h5000-series.
Oct 06 16:12:52 <fabian2_de> Hey Guys! Is anyone there who can help me with Angström running on iPaq H5550? I installed it correctly (I think) and ttyS0 works fine, but the display stays white whatever I do... I used the newest Angström image avaliable for h5000-series.
Oct 06 17:34:10 <zap> How I can subscribe to Angstrom mailing lists? The gmane interface is useful, but you can't post through it as it says the list requires you to be subscribed to it.
Oct 06 17:34:49 <zap> ah nm, gmane told me how
Oct 06 18:45:51 <proj> hopefully not too off topic for angstrom, is sourceforge cvs the most up to date location of OpenZaurus source? (pre-angstrom merge)
Oct 06 18:46:38 <XorA> NO
Oct 06 18:47:05 <hrw> proj: oz cvs is obsolete, deprecated etc
Oct 06 18:47:15 <proj> k, is it possible to sync to oz head?
Oct 06 18:47:39 <hrw> oz is dead but you can get it from org.openembedded.oz354x branch of OE
Oct 06 18:47:49 <proj> i searched all through wiki, google
Oct 06 18:47:56 <proj> ahh okay i'll go check that out
Oct 06 18:48:26 <dcordes> proj: what keeps you from switching to angstrom?
Oct 06 18:48:53 <proj> i'm trying to isolate some wireless cf card issues 
Oct 06 18:49:16 <proj> i did run the latest angstrom build but it showed the same issues
Oct 06 18:49:22 <hrw> which ones?
Oct 06 18:49:44 <proj> netgear ma701, the command register timeout issue
Oct 06 18:49:57 <proj> i've found a lot of mentions.. most users think it's a hardware issue but i'm not convinced
Oct 06 18:50:25 <hrw> this is prism card - right?
Oct 06 18:50:30 <proj> i could do the work in the angstrom tree.. the core driver code is the same but doesn't the 2.6 kernel have a different driver iface system?
Oct 06 18:50:35 <hrw> and which firmware you have that problem with?
Oct 06 18:50:38 <proj> right prism2
Oct 06 18:50:50 <proj> 1.3.6
Oct 06 18:51:10 <hrw> fscking old
Oct 06 18:51:24 <hrw> 1.7.4 is nice one - everything older is obsolete
Oct 06 18:51:26 <proj> haha
Oct 06 18:51:36 <proj> okay.. i did some searching for firmware updates
Oct 06 18:51:47 <proj> is it possible to do an update from the zaurus?
Oct 06 18:52:01 <hrw> in Angstrom we load 1.7.4 firmware into RAM of card so it should fix your problem
Oct 06 18:53:14 <proj> so i flashed to latest build of angstrom/console (this is a sl5000) and the dmesg output was identitical
Oct 06 18:53:40 <hrw> ouch.. collie...
Oct 06 18:53:50 <proj> haha!
Oct 06 18:53:56 <proj> yeah i know.. torture
Oct 06 18:54:00 <proj> http://hostap.epitest.fi/hostap/att-2174/01-init_and_dmesg.outp.txt
Oct 06 18:54:04 <proj> it looks just like that
Oct 06 18:54:23 <proj> it's not ideal hw but it's a good challenge
Oct 06 18:55:05 <hrw> challenge is good word for that machine
Oct 06 18:55:10 <proj> so ma701 is not perm. flashable i take it?
Oct 06 18:55:26 <hrw> it is flashable but we do not support flashing it
Oct 06 18:55:29 <proj> i would love to get a cxxx
Oct 06 18:55:48 <hrw> you need to build kernel by your own and enable flashing support to reflash card
Oct 06 18:55:50 <proj> so this ram update processs.. that's in the angstrom tree?
Oct 06 18:55:54 <hrw> yes
Oct 06 18:56:52 <proj> i ran this http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070709/
Oct 06 18:57:10 <hrw> I do not remember when I last time tested collie
Oct 06 18:57:15 <proj> that sounds like a cleaner path.. honestly i would rather stick with angstrom
Oct 06 18:57:43 <proj> there were some issues with the minimalist image.. i added them to bugzilla there was already an active bug
Oct 06 18:57:52 <proj> mostly the built-in keyboard mapping was off
Oct 06 18:57:56 <hrw> proj: you are from US :( otherwise I could just send you mine collie
Oct 06 18:58:03 <hrw> 5500 so 64m ram
Oct 06 18:58:19 <hrw> minimal image lack keymaps
Oct 06 18:58:22 <proj> well i'm willing to do some testing and other minor dev tasks
Oct 06 18:58:31 <proj> ahh.. okay 
Oct 06 18:58:37 <proj> console image works well enough
Oct 06 18:58:41 <hvontres|home> proj: if you can get USB networking up and running, you could try ipkg update;ipkg upgrade
Oct 06 18:58:58 <proj> i'm going to go pick up a 1gig SD card today
Oct 06 18:59:13 <proj> i can't find the cradle.. gotta look around some more
Oct 06 19:00:31 <proj> okay well i'll just move forward with the angstrom setup and see what i can do .. i'm also going to try finding some more CF networking cards
Oct 06 19:00:34 <hrw> I do not remember does collie supports usb networking at all under 2.6
Oct 06 19:00:45 <XorA> not yet
Oct 06 19:00:56 <Crofton> hurry up
Oct 06 19:01:22 <proj> is there a dev quick start guide for angstrom?
Oct 06 19:01:25 <hvontres|home> proj: if you can't find the cradle, you can always pick up a usb sync cable on e-bay
Oct 06 19:01:36 <proj> okay that sounds reasonable
Oct 06 19:03:17 <proj> i have to say.. this OE stuff looks very cool
Oct 06 19:03:35 <proj> last time i did homebrew i had to bootstrap my own cross tool chain
Oct 06 19:04:47 <proj> well i'm out for awhile, thanks for all the tips i have a clearer picture of the right direction now
Oct 06 19:05:28 <hrw> speaking about collie... I wonder do we get our collie kernel hacker back during academic year or not
Oct 06 19:07:00 <koen> iirc he needs a new mainboard
Oct 06 19:07:16 <hrw> desktop machine or collie?
Oct 06 19:07:33 <hvontres|home> hrw: desktop
Oct 06 19:07:55 <hrw> socketA? socket 775? socket 939? 754? am2?
Oct 06 19:08:04 <koen> "In fact I have some time, but the motherboard of my devellopment machine 
Oct 06 19:08:04 <koen> broke some weeks ago. I sent it back to the shop but haven't got a new 
Oct 06 19:08:04 <koen> one yet.  :( "
Oct 06 19:08:25 <hvontres|home> hrw: trying to unload some old stuff?
Oct 06 19:09:48 <hrw> ouch.. where he wrote that?
Oct 06 19:10:04 <hvontres|home> hrw: ml
Oct 06 19:10:15 <koen> angstrom-user
Oct 06 19:10:26 <hrw> ok, found
Oct 06 20:54:12 <zap> Anybody knows if X11/kdrive supports the Xkb extension, and if so, where the Xkb config files are?
Oct 06 23:37:35 <hvontres1home> CoreDump|home: hey, how are you doing?
Oct 07 00:30:08 <hvontres1home> psokolovsky: hey there. Any news on getting Opie re-introduced into Angstrom?
Oct 07 00:30:40 <psokolovsky> hvontres1home: ave you built and uploaded images for Zs?
Oct 07 00:31:17 <hvontres1home> psokolovsky: Built yes, uploded no
Oct 07 00:31:21 <psokolovsky> hvontres1home: if no, you should upload them here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/unsupported-images/
Oct 07 00:31:24 <psokolovsky> and only there
Oct 07 00:31:37 <hvontres1home> psokolovsky: cool.
Oct 07 00:31:55 <hvontres1home> psokolovsky: what about the feed?
Oct 07 00:32:09 <psokolovsky> no idea
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