**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 02:59:56 2007 Oct 13 03:06:28 I noticed that it was recently posted that there aren't any machine mentors for the Zaurus Akita. I've been running Angstrom on the Akita since the September release, and as far as I can tell it has no problems. Thank you all for making this possible :) Oct 13 08:18:24 What video player is the fastest in Angstrom? mplayer seems to be missing the "zaurus patches" and it's damn slow Oct 13 08:20:14 what "zaurus patches"? Oct 13 08:21:12 -vo bvd or something like this Oct 13 08:21:29 bvdd is a kernel 2.4 thing Oct 13 08:21:35 hm Oct 13 08:21:38 got it Oct 13 08:21:39 a hacked kernel 2.4, that is Oct 13 08:21:53 use the iwmmxt one, that was overlay support for pxa270fb Oct 13 08:22:02 see http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=mplayer Oct 13 08:24:20 thank you, didn't know of iwmmxt Oct 13 08:24:48 iirc it's -vo pxa Oct 13 08:25:03 XorA|gone is our mplayer master :) Oct 13 08:25:44 ah, I see, he's gone :) Oct 13 08:27:16 for some reason ipkg configs don't include a path to iwmmxt Oct 13 08:28:53 ipkg install http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/iwmmxt/base/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc1+svnr24587-r3_iwmmxt.ipk Oct 13 08:34:16 I just think that spitz-feed.conf could contain the path Oct 13 08:46:19 mplayer rc2 is out: * iWMMXt-accelerated DCT and motion compensation for ARM processors Oct 13 08:47:53 that patch is already in that package Oct 13 08:48:10 it's built from svn, not the rc1 tarball :) Oct 13 08:48:47 :) Oct 13 08:49:14 however, -vo pxa doesn't work: "Could not open /dev/fb2: 13". Do I have to use a special kernel/Kdrive for it? Oct 13 08:51:55 you have a c3xxx ? Oct 13 08:52:03 and your movie is 320x240? Oct 13 08:52:24 the pxa vo is rather picky about formats Oct 13 08:52:46 my movie is 720x576 Oct 13 08:52:54 (question about it are best to be asked at the angstrom-devel mailinglist, since the author of vo_pxa isn;t on irc) Oct 13 08:53:03 but thats not the problem: cat /dev/fb2 says 'No such device' Oct 13 08:53:49 thanks, I'll ask. Sorry to bother you Oct 13 08:54:09 you're not bothering me, I just don't have the answers :) Oct 13 09:16:17 If I upgrade kernel-image, do I still have to flash the kernel manually? Isn't there an automated post-install script to flash it into ROM? Oct 13 09:50:18 Hi Oct 13 09:51:10 is somebody with ipaq experience around? I'd like to make an image for ipaq h1930 and have no clue which machine type to pick: h1910.conf or h1940.conf? Oct 13 09:51:30 zap: the kernel requires some FTL driver that isn't in 2.6, so manually reflashing is sadly the only way :( Oct 13 09:54:46 dcordes: I think h1940 is the right one Oct 13 09:55:03 bluelightning: ok thanks Oct 13 09:58:02 Hi sorry to ask this, but is it correct that you should be able to get network over usb uwit sl-c3200 ? Oct 13 10:16:21 bluelightning: is haret used to boot from ipaqs? Oct 13 10:16:37 otherwise how would I boot these: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h1910/20071007/ Oct 13 10:19:03 dcordes: well, you couldn't use those since they are for h1910 only... but this may be helpful: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH1940Bootloader Oct 13 10:20:23 looks to me that haret is the only safe choice atm Oct 13 10:22:11 ok Oct 13 10:22:31 bluelightning: where do I get the latest stable haret? Oct 13 10:24:05 dcordes: I don't know sorry, I have never run it myself Oct 13 10:24:27 bluelightning: ok what device are you using? Oct 13 10:24:48 dcordes: h3800, h3900, and h2200 Oct 13 10:25:29 that's plenty ipaqs Oct 13 10:26:19 yes... and I have 2x of both h3800 and h3900 as well :) Oct 13 10:26:29 they are really cheap these days Oct 13 10:27:17 both h3800 and h3900 are not very well supported in the 2.6 kernel though, so it means I can't build useful angstrom images for them Oct 13 10:27:18 I was thinking about buying an ipaq before I got the zaurus but was not sure because I didn't know they run linux that well Oct 13 10:27:50 the image I'm trying to build is for a friend's pda Oct 13 10:27:51 a few models do, but even then there are some issues Oct 13 10:32:21 bluelightning: could you give me advise on what kind of image to make and how to put the haret bootscript? Oct 13 10:32:54 dcordes: not really as I haven't used haret Oct 13 10:33:18 perhaps just a tar image then extract it onto a card? Oct 13 10:34:13 dcordes: h1930 iirc was h1940 without bluetooth? Oct 13 10:35:01 hrw: no idea Oct 13 10:35:11 I don't have the device it is a friend's one Oct 13 10:36:37 dcordes: same - http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h1940.html Oct 13 10:43:01 hrw|gone: thanks Oct 13 10:46:10 anybody here who can give adviese on what image format to use for an ipaq rootfs? Oct 13 10:46:21 booted on h1930 with haret Oct 13 10:54:08 ah found a haret vonf http://vserver.13thfloor.at/H1940/index.php?page=HaRET Oct 13 11:00:25 Qantourisc: yep, network works fine at least with latest images Oct 13 11:00:51 zap: if you can congfigure it :( Oct 13 11:00:55 zap: euu btw Oct 13 11:00:56 you shouldn't Oct 13 11:01:00 ah, yes Oct 13 11:01:08 zap: i don't need to configure it on my pc ? strange :) Oct 13 11:01:11 on your PC you have to set the correct IP address on the usb0 interface Oct 13 11:01:29 Set PC address to 192.168.0.200, Zaurus will be 202 Oct 13 11:01:31 zap: euu if i misconfigured the zaurus, could it be my pc doesn't report "new hardware" ? Oct 13 11:01:41 hmm Oct 13 11:02:03 Have you changed "USB Settings" ? Oct 13 11:02:10 to lan yes Oct 13 11:02:12 You must select "Ethernet networking" there Oct 13 11:02:19 in gpe Oct 13 11:02:22 I mean, not on PC Oct 13 11:02:23 ofcours Oct 13 11:02:36 but i'd expect my kernel to report this device Oct 13 11:02:40 even if it has no drivers ... Oct 13 11:02:44 and when you insert your Zaurus into PC, it should report something like Oct 13 11:02:46 usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, da:af:9d:b7:e6:b9 Oct 13 11:02:51 o dear ... Oct 13 11:02:58 * Qantourisc tries on his deksopt and on a windows Oct 13 11:03:06 stop Oct 13 11:03:11 are you on windows or on linux? Oct 13 11:03:12 hmm why ? Oct 13 11:03:15 linux Oct 13 11:03:21 but i'm starting to doubt the usb works Oct 13 11:03:28 windows aside for now, thats another story Oct 13 11:03:35 it works for me quite fine Oct 13 11:03:53 will windows report 'new hardware' ? Oct 13 11:04:04 no idea, I don't use windows Oct 13 11:04:11 * Qantourisc tries Oct 13 11:04:11 try to load cdc_ether manually: modprobe cdc_ether (as root) Oct 13 11:04:17 to ensure the usb isn't broken Oct 13 11:04:31 linux reports the same in dmesg Oct 13 11:04:35 new hardware and so on Oct 13 11:05:10 do "tail -f /var/log/messages" as root Oct 13 11:05:13 ok that's a problem Oct 13 11:05:15 and then insert your device Oct 13 11:05:19 cause i ain't getting that Oct 13 11:05:34 Maybe your cable is broken? Oct 13 11:05:38 is the usb controoler filly done in hardware ? Oct 13 11:05:45 or in software ,? Oct 13 11:05:46 no, it's half software Oct 13 11:05:53 hmmm Oct 13 11:05:55 but! Oct 13 11:06:00 so it might still be softwre on the zaurus that goes boom Oct 13 11:06:07 the new device detection is purely hardware Oct 13 11:06:23 o dear Oct 13 11:06:28 so if you insert it but no software on your side, you must see something like "Device doesn't accept address 10: Oct 13 11:06:53 then i'm fucked ? Oct 13 11:06:54 If software is ok, you will see something like "usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64 Oct 13 11:06:54 " Oct 13 11:07:01 no idea honestly Oct 13 11:07:14 or is it a speicial cable ? Oct 13 11:07:20 Are you using Angstrom? Oct 13 11:07:24 or something different Oct 13 11:07:32 yes Oct 13 11:07:43 Have you tried USB networking with a different distro? Oct 13 11:07:51 Notably with Cacko as it's the closest to the original ROM Oct 13 11:08:04 trieng to get a clue Oct 13 11:08:09 to see if the usb port is even working Oct 13 11:08:23 i'm not under that impression Oct 13 11:08:37 Well I don't know zaurus software yet Oct 13 11:08:56 but on some other PDAs USB device detection could be turned off with software Oct 13 11:09:09 e.g. you pull a bit in a port to 0 and your PDA won't be detected by the PC Oct 13 11:09:28 And Zaurus USB driver doesn't seem to touch that bit (if it exists) Oct 13 11:09:36 hmmm Oct 13 11:10:18 But anyways it worked for me from the very beginning Oct 13 11:10:26 So I would suggest you to try Cacko Oct 13 11:10:31 cacko ? Oct 13 11:10:45 yep, this is a English variant of the original japanese ROM Oct 13 11:10:53 a right Oct 13 11:10:57 let me give it a shot Oct 13 11:10:59 it uses the original Sharp drivers Oct 13 11:11:08 http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/cacko.html Oct 13 11:12:06 if with Cacko USB device won't be detected too, it's a 100% hardware problem Oct 13 11:12:18 jikes Oct 13 11:12:23 ok the zips seem offline ? Oct 13 11:13:02 foudna a mirrot Oct 13 11:15:18 ok about to patch Oct 13 11:16:09 patching Oct 13 11:29:14 cacko is slow to boot Oct 13 11:31:09 * Qantourisc retries to patch Oct 13 11:39:48 arg verry depressing Oct 13 11:41:00 what happened? Oct 13 11:41:32 arg Oct 13 11:41:43 i need to repartition the hdd to install cacko Oct 13 11:41:51 Ah indeed Oct 13 11:41:54 to what ? Oct 13 11:42:08 you happen to know ? Oct 13 11:42:12 3 partitions ? Oct 13 11:42:18 Isn't that written in install howto? Oct 13 11:42:19 yep, 3 Oct 13 11:42:34 there is a howto Oct 13 11:42:40 ow dear Oct 13 11:42:40 :) Oct 13 11:42:51 doesn't it describe the partitioning scheme? Oct 13 11:43:17 * Qantourisc looks on the internet Oct 13 11:45:04 a there wez go Oct 13 11:47:18 flashing again :) Oct 13 11:47:27 this time with "defaukt partiotion table" Oct 13 12:56:43 zap: can"t get it to boot Oct 13 12:57:17 why does cacko come with a darn default part Oct 13 13:00:10 * Qantourisc triew wiating VERRRY long for it to boot Oct 13 13:07:11 puttiung arm back Oct 13 13:10:59 can I boot a jffs2 initrd with haret? Oct 13 13:28:51 zap ok now usb is working Oct 13 13:29:01 zap i seem to have some ... ground loop issues Oct 13 13:29:15 now it works Oct 13 14:02:59 anyone know a good place to buy the zaurus? (interested in the c3100, c7x0, and c8x0 models Oct 13 14:13:36 Hey guys! Anybody there who can help me bringing Angstrom to an iPaq h5550? Oct 13 14:44:43 koen / koen|away : fyi, hh17 just booted successfully on my h2200 Oct 13 15:13:43 what is the size of the snapshot of the portage (if there is any) Oct 13 17:28:06 booting angstrom with haret on ipaqh1930 I get "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" Oct 13 18:04:07 dcordes: are there more messages? do you have support for the file system you use compiled into the kernel? did you give the root=/dev/something boot option to the kernel? Oct 13 18:06:58 http://www.pastebin.ca/735513 Oct 13 18:07:03 that's the haret bootscript Oct 13 18:15:50 lines 05, 06 are wrong Oct 13 18:16:15 set CMDLINE "console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200n8 root=/dev/ram init=/sbin/init panic=30" Oct 13 18:26:51 pH5: where was the kernel source again so I can check wether ext2 and gz filesystems are supported or not? Oct 13 18:29:49 http://www.pastebin.ca/735307 Oct 13 18:30:53 the configuration is in packages/linux/linux-h1940-2.6.17-h1940/defconfig, I guess. Oct 13 18:37:16 pH5: is it possible to boot the rootfs in .tar.gz? Oct 13 18:37:51 no. .cpio.gz is, though. Oct 13 18:38:48 does local.conf understand .cpio.gz ? Oct 13 18:48:54 dcordes: IMAGE_FSTYPES += "cpio.gz", yes Oct 13 20:04:27 hi Oct 13 20:10:37 hi Oct 13 20:10:41 jjjjjj Oct 13 20:10:49 kkkkkkkk Oct 13 20:10:55 tripolo: what're you doin here? Oct 13 20:11:12 learning, jjjj Oct 13 20:11:34 is somebody here building an angstrom image? Oct 13 20:12:10 I've some problems related with libgpg-error Oct 13 20:18:24 dcordes: are you here? Oct 13 21:00:02 mimecar: yes Oct 13 21:00:15 what's it? Oct 13 21:00:22 did you builded angstrom, dind'nt you? Oct 13 21:00:30 yes Oct 13 21:00:46 could you compile libpgp-error ? Oct 13 21:01:01 i'm lock with that package Oct 13 21:01:07 i get compilation errors Oct 13 21:01:07 is your metadata up to date? Oct 13 21:01:18 yes, it's Oct 13 21:01:36 I'm completely drunk with greek liquor but let me try Oct 13 21:01:52 if you're "sleeping" don't worry Oct 13 21:02:01 it's a low priority task Oct 13 21:02:20 tripolo: you can ask and speak here althought your enlish is not perfect Oct 13 21:02:37 in spanish? Oct 13 21:02:41 I'm not sleeping at all Oct 13 21:02:42 no Oct 13 21:02:45 si hombre Oct 13 21:02:45 on english Oct 13 21:02:46 ok Oct 13 21:02:47 no problemo Oct 13 21:02:56 yo hablo el espanol perfectamente Oct 13 21:03:11 dcordes thank you Oct 13 21:03:15 another crazy :P Oct 13 21:03:17 tripolo: que machine tienes? Oct 13 21:03:25 sl c-1000 Oct 13 21:03:30 damn! Oct 13 21:03:31 y sl-5500 Oct 13 21:03:41 solo tengo sl-c1000 Oct 13 21:04:03 tripolo: tambien eres activo en la pagina de mimecar? Oct 13 21:04:04 ok me encanta esta maquina Oct 13 21:04:08 si Oct 13 21:04:17 pero soy muy novel Oct 13 21:04:27 tienes el akita nuevo? Oct 13 21:04:28 y de ingles muy poco Oct 13 21:04:32 you will learn some day Oct 13 21:04:44 no Oct 13 21:04:55 la cambie por un phone-pda Oct 13 21:04:55 tripolo: ningun problema el ingles es muy muy facilo Oct 13 21:05:29 si? yo tambien. quiero el neo1973 Oct 13 21:05:31 tripolo: if i've learned it... Oct 13 21:05:43 dcordes: avaricioso :P Oct 13 21:05:51 con cable usb y una wifi ambicom Oct 13 21:06:35 tengo una battaria para mi akita. puedo usar todos devices usb que neccesito Oct 13 21:07:08 hay un cable usb del sl-c1000 a un 4-port usb hub Oct 13 21:07:21 uso un ralink wifi con eso Oct 13 21:07:33 y a veces usb hdd Oct 13 21:07:39 umm la rt2500? Oct 13 21:07:42 no Oct 13 21:07:43 rt73 Oct 13 21:07:57 rt73 is also in oe Oct 13 21:08:16 ok necesita drivers el hd por usb? Oct 13 21:08:17 dcordes: is changing into english mode xD Oct 13 21:08:24 tripolo: no Oct 13 21:08:55 de donde eres dcordes Oct 13 21:09:00 spanish? Oct 13 21:09:12 no soy de alemania Oct 13 21:09:25 no neccesitas drivers Oct 13 21:09:52 ok cuando quiera comprarme un coche te llamare Oct 13 21:09:52 todo que es neccesito para usar los hdds es en el kernel de akita Oct 13 21:09:55 un bmw Oct 13 21:10:08 si no problemo Oct 13 21:10:21 pero no puedo usar coches Oct 13 21:10:31 por que Oct 13 21:10:39 en que ciudad vives Oct 13 21:10:42 no tengo carta de drive :D Oct 13 21:10:52 en Ratingen. Oct 13 21:11:01 es en el oeste Oct 13 21:11:04 dcordes: si no te coge la policia... Oct 13 21:11:07 a cuantos kilometros de munich Oct 13 21:11:39 mimecar: en mi estado eso seria fatal Oct 13 21:11:55 tripolo: munich es mucho mas lejos en el zur Oct 13 21:12:11 no se exactemente Oct 13 21:13:16 don't worry Oct 13 21:13:49 tripolo: tienes preguntas teqnicas? Oct 13 21:13:57 buscame un bmw 850 Oct 13 21:13:59 tengo que ir Oct 13 21:14:02 irme Oct 13 21:14:02 si Oct 13 21:14:11 acabo de instalar angstrom Oct 13 21:14:14 mimecar: what do I say when I have to leave? Oct 13 21:14:30 you would checked libgpg compiling Oct 13 21:14:36 more or less :P Oct 13 21:14:39 ah sure just a second! Oct 13 21:15:18 dcordes: you're speaking about "goodbye" sentences? Oct 13 21:15:36 yes! Oct 13 21:15:44 adios , nos vemos... Oct 13 21:15:56 y en singular? Oct 13 21:16:20 "adios" no tiene singular/plural Oct 13 21:16:20 me vame? Oct 13 21:16:28 me voy Oct 13 21:16:30 ah ok Oct 13 21:16:34 no te apures, cono! Oct 13 21:16:42 :D Oct 13 21:16:54 no Oct 13 21:16:58 conoces a la pelicula "scarface"? Oct 13 21:17:00 eran frases Oct 13 21:17:25 libgpg-error_1.4 building fine for arm Oct 13 21:17:26 sorry Oct 13 21:17:34 what's your linux distro? Oct 13 21:17:39 angstrom Oct 13 21:17:46 I was building for h1930 right no Oct 13 21:17:50 on pc side: debian, suse... Oct 13 21:17:53 mimecar me tira error al hacer ipkg update Oct 13 21:17:59 U B U N T U Oct 13 21:18:02 la mia puppy Oct 13 21:18:05 7.10, vato Oct 13 21:18:09 ok Oct 13 21:18:20 i get that problem with debian Oct 13 21:18:28 * mimecar should check some bugs Oct 13 21:18:54 mimecar: I also had a problem with it two weeks ago. Oct 13 21:18:58 mimecar estan los mirror de angstrom bien? Oct 13 21:19:08 me tira error el ipkg update Oct 13 21:19:16 tripolo: yes, ping to google Oct 13 21:19:20 ping www.google.es Oct 13 21:19:21 mimecar: voy a mtn pull && mtn update && bitbake -c rebuild libgpg-error Oct 13 21:19:26 I bet it has an error again Oct 13 21:19:31 don't worry it is not your debian... Oct 13 21:19:39 if you have a correct system Oct 13 21:19:45 don't change it Oct 13 21:19:51 I'll test again Oct 13 21:20:02 you must no break your rom Oct 13 21:20:35 mine is on a virtual machine, I can have errors without real problems Oct 13 21:20:47 mimecar: you run angstrom in qemu? Oct 13 21:20:53 no, on vmware Oct 13 21:21:02 how nice Oct 13 21:21:07 buils system only Oct 13 21:21:21 wait Oct 13 21:21:25 you run openembedded from qemu? Oct 13 21:21:36 no tengo conesion Oct 13 21:21:44 compilation is over qemu Oct 13 21:21:46 no da ping google Oct 13 21:21:46 tripolo: a google? Oct 13 21:21:59 tripolo: que es tu network interface? Oct 13 21:22:00 wlan0? Oct 13 21:22:01 Vmware (my linux distro), qemu (angstrom compilation) Oct 13 21:22:02 no tiene dchpcd Oct 13 21:22:06 si wlan0 Oct 13 21:22:21 ifconfig wlan0 essid Oct 13 21:22:24 mimecar: wait you run _no_ native linux??? Oct 13 21:22:32 ifconfig wlan0 key Oct 13 21:22:32 yes Oct 13 21:22:48 last time i runned on native linux, I lost my build Oct 13 21:22:51 dchpcd wlan0 , not found Oct 13 21:22:57 tripolo: si. type "iwconfig" I check que hay signal o no Oct 13 21:23:03 yes Oct 13 21:23:08 hay signal? Oct 13 21:23:18 34/100 o alguien? Oct 13 21:23:42 -55 Oct 13 21:23:46 mimecar: that is f*ckin slow in a virtual machine Oct 13 21:23:48 dbm Oct 13 21:23:49 tripolo: ifup wlan0 Oct 13 21:23:52 then you have wifi Oct 13 21:24:10 dcordes: is not so slow... Oct 13 21:24:22 tripolo: you have wifi Oct 13 21:24:23 mimecar: virtualization is _alsways_ slower Oct 13 21:24:35 yes, but if I must use windows and linux Oct 13 21:24:46 I can't compile on both systems without it Oct 13 21:24:59 tripolo: ifup wlan' Oct 13 21:25:02 ifup wlan0 Oct 13 21:25:04 no lease faile Oct 13 21:25:30 tripolo: can you ping google? Oct 13 21:25:41 no responde Oct 13 21:25:46 ok Oct 13 21:25:58 have you encrypted network? Oct 13 21:26:12 tripolo: "no lease" es "no IP (de tu router o alguien) Oct 13 21:27:30 adios amigos! voy a tomar un poco de mas del Ouzooo Oct 13 21:27:35 ok Oct 13 21:27:36 -de Oct 13 21:27:38 bye... Oct 13 21:27:51 tripolo: encrypted network? Oct 13 21:27:51 bye guy Oct 13 21:28:18 tripolo: mucha suerte con akita network Oct 13 21:28:25 ahora Oct 13 21:28:29 now yes Oct 13 21:28:36 :P Oct 13 21:28:41 muy bien Oct 13 21:28:45 ya hay netwowk Oct 13 21:28:54 no haquar otros networks! Oct 13 21:29:10 no solo el mio Oct 13 21:29:40 :P Oct 13 21:30:44 dcordes: a last question, can you run bitbake with normal user ? Oct 13 21:30:53 i can only pull when I'm root Oct 13 21:31:01 mimecar: of course. I do all OE things as normal user Oct 13 21:31:21 I'm not a professional but I'm sure there could be security risk with root Oct 13 21:31:26 then, I did some wrong Oct 13 21:31:33 mimecar: chmod 777 bitbake Oct 13 21:31:42 let's test it Oct 13 21:31:44 where bitbake is the path to your bitbake script Oct 13 21:31:52 that makes it exectuable for _all_users Oct 13 21:32:10 I've a mix of normal user and root files Oct 13 21:32:31 of course Oct 13 21:32:46 everything you do with bitbake as root, will also be owned by root Oct 13 21:32:50 (me think) Oct 13 21:33:05 it's only the pull process Oct 13 21:33:10 tripolo: funcionar el update? Oct 13 21:33:15 bitbake doesn't wan run itself as root Oct 13 21:33:52 so you can bitbake -b packages/bla/bla-foobar.bb as normal user Oct 13 21:34:15 I think problem is with monotone Oct 13 21:34:21 mimecar: #chmod 777 /usr/bin/mtn Oct 13 21:34:47 sorry I got bitbake and monotone confued Oct 13 21:34:51 it must be the alcohol. Oct 13 21:35:11 now I'm really really off Oct 13 21:35:13 bye :D Oct 13 21:35:18 bye Oct 13 22:14:44 re Oct 13 22:18:30 mimecar Oct 13 22:18:42