**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 24 02:59:57 2007
Oct 24 06:33:58 <simoncpu> hello
Oct 24 06:34:07 <simoncpu> i've just installed angstrom on my ipaqw
Oct 24 06:34:15 <simoncpu> problem is, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig
Oct 24 06:34:32 <simoncpu> i'm using ipaq H5550
Oct 24 06:38:29 <simoncpu> uh...
Oct 24 06:38:51 <simoncpu> do you guys know how to show the bootup messages in my ipaq instead of redirecting it to the serial?
Oct 24 06:53:45 <rob_w|laptop> simoncpu get rid of boot parameter console=ttyXX and/or comment away the ttySXX in /etc/inittab , maybe ??
Oct 24 06:53:58 <simoncpu> oh cool
Oct 24 06:54:00 <simoncpu> i'll try that
Oct 24 06:54:46 <simoncpu> btw, i installed angstrom jffs2 image through crl's bootlader provided in familiar linux
Oct 24 06:54:49 <simoncpu> is this ok?
Oct 24 06:55:17 <rob_w|laptop> no idea .. but sounds ok, when it boots ! 
Oct 24 06:55:34 <simoncpu> yepp, it boots, but i can't seem to get wlan working
Oct 24 06:55:42 <simoncpu> and sound too
Oct 24 06:56:07 <simoncpu> angstrom seems to provide a separate image for kernel... i wonder what is it for....
Oct 24 07:00:04 <simoncpu> yikes, according to the wiki,
Oct 24 07:00:08 <simoncpu> "It is missing kernel modules for wifi"
Oct 24 07:26:56 <gilligan_> hi
Oct 24 07:27:08 <simoncpu> no joy
Oct 24 07:29:39 <simoncpu> oh joy
Oct 24 07:29:43 <simoncpu> where can i find joy?
Oct 24 07:30:12 <gilligan_> hm, can I change/set the password of a user non-interactively ? not with adduser/passwd from tinylogin at least or am I missing something ?
Oct 24 07:41:19 <simoncpu> i dunno... i just use "pw" command in freebsd
Oct 24 07:41:25 <simoncpu> there must be some linux equivalent or something
Oct 24 07:41:51 <simoncpu> adduser, maybe?
Oct 24 07:49:24 <gilligan_> obviously
Oct 24 07:49:31 <gilligan_> you are missing the gist of my question
Oct 24 07:50:45 <gilligan_> which is "noninteractive"
Oct 24 08:08:50 <simoncpu> no jooooooooooooy
Oct 24 08:09:09 <simoncpu> i can't bitbake at76c503a
Oct 24 08:09:27 <simoncpu> the latest code in the CVS is suppose to support WPA or something
Oct 24 08:10:49 <XorA> Zero_Chaos: ping
Oct 24 08:11:48 <simoncpu> pong
Oct 24 11:28:41 <ABC|dOC> hi all
Oct 24 12:03:53 <XorA> hey ABC|dOC 
Oct 24 12:16:26 <ABC|dOC> how are you ?
Oct 24 12:17:24 <ABC|dOC> i've a strange bug, sometimes when i'm using my Z running angstrom fully updated, the screen locks itselfs alone, i need to unlock it, then it's back
Oct 24 12:17:34 <ABC|dOC> sometimes i can use it for hours without problem
Oct 24 12:19:32 <XorA> ABC|dOC: odd, sounds like it thinks its suspending
Oct 24 12:23:23 <ABC|dOC> yes certainly
Oct 24 12:23:48 <XorA> my 3200 has been running on desk for 4 hours now without that happening
Oct 24 12:23:48 <ABC|dOC> but it's really strange and annoying when i'm doing something -ok not very important - and it's locking :(
Oct 24 12:24:12 <ABC|dOC> i'm pretty sure i can run my Z for hours too, without having this trouble
Oct 24 12:24:23 <ABC|dOC> it happens very rare
Oct 24 12:24:34 <XorA> Ill keep a look out
Oct 24 12:24:44 <XorA> you can turn off locking on suspend in Settings/Login
Oct 24 12:27:02 <ABC|dOC> i'll do
Oct 24 12:28:36 <ABC|dOC> is there a way to tell angstrom to not go in sleep mode when running mplayer ?
Oct 24 12:29:36 <ABC|dOC> or i make my own script to ?
Oct 24 12:30:16 <XorA> ABC|dOC: I just disable ipaq-sleep in Settings
Oct 24 12:33:08 <ABC|dOC> i'll do same i think
Oct 24 12:33:18 <ABC|dOC> i can suspend my Z myself
Oct 24 12:33:52 <ABC|dOC> but i know there is a thing (i'm very unskilled in dev) in X (X11, Xorg, dunno) that can be used for sleep
Oct 24 12:34:21 <ABC|dOC> i've pidgin on my desktop and i can tell him to auto set me away if my X isn't doing anything from X minutes
Oct 24 12:34:25 <ABC|dOC> you know what i mean ?
Oct 24 14:34:14 <vlo> where can I change the output level of what kernel messages go to the console in angstrom since it is not syslog that is running ?
Oct 24 14:43:06 <piku> vlo I think you'd need to either rebuild the kernel adjusting some parameter in there or run something to filter them
Oct 24 14:43:29 <piku> can anyone comment on gpe's speed/memory usage on spitz?
Oct 24 14:43:42 <piku> seems like if I start for instance pidgin + minimo at the same time, it not only goes into using swap (not too much)
Oct 24 14:43:44 <piku> but gets REALLY slow
Oct 24 14:43:55 <piku> and when I say slow Imean like basic dialog clicks that should be quick
Oct 24 14:44:16 <piku> opie is a lot faster but who cares, no apps are working for it at all these days
Oct 24 14:44:30 <piku> but I feel like I'm running the wrong xserver or something
Oct 24 14:44:33 <piku> it's just so ... unresponsive
Oct 24 17:17:17 <fabian2_de> Hey Guys! Anyone there who can help me building a kernel for ipaq h5550?
Oct 24 17:20:24 <Zero_Chaos> koen: I'm sorry, I had some lockup issues, did you respond?
Oct 24 17:20:40 <koen> respond to what?
Oct 24 17:21:11 <Zero_Chaos> koen: me agreeing with you on the gpe-login and asking you to poke the gpe folks to add the users to a group
Oct 24 17:21:22 <Zero_Chaos> or should I be poking?
Oct 24 17:21:44 <koen> you should be poking
Oct 24 17:22:03 <Zero_Chaos> okay
Oct 24 18:03:02 <piggz> lo...anyone any experience getting angstrom to run on an ipaq 2000 series, specifically 2110 style? cheers
Oct 24 19:45:31 <mimecar> hi
Oct 24 19:46:00 <mimecar> hi summatusmentis
Oct 24 19:58:38 <piku> dear god will someone please tell me why gpe is so slow on my zaurus!
Oct 24 20:03:51 <mimecar> piku: what's your zaurus ?
Oct 24 20:03:58 <mimecar> and what're the programs you're running?
Oct 24 20:04:03 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: PING
Oct 24 20:04:26 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: your ping is dangerous :P
Oct 24 20:04:34 <mimecar> it has killed a connection
Oct 24 20:04:50 <Zero_Chaos> no, that was peer's fault
Oct 24 20:13:51 <mimecar> hi lrg
Oct 24 20:14:12 <lrg> hey mimecar 
Oct 24 20:14:33 <Zero_Chaos> any build rt73-k2wrlz?
Oct 24 20:14:35 <Zero_Chaos> it fails for me
Oct 24 20:17:43 <mimecar> on zaurus i don't
Oct 24 20:17:48 <mimecar> on pc side, yes
Oct 24 20:18:33 <Zero_Chaos> was that to me?
Oct 24 20:18:39 <mimecar> yes
Oct 24 20:19:05 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: what's the package name of that module ?
Oct 24 20:19:43 <Zero_Chaos> bitbake rt73-k2wrlz
Oct 24 20:19:50 <Zero_Chaos> I just want to know if that works
Oct 24 20:19:57 <Zero_Chaos> it fails to build for me.
Oct 24 20:19:58 <mimecar> one second
Oct 24 20:20:06 <Zero_Chaos> thanks
Oct 24 20:22:49 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: i must compile 20 packages
Oct 24 20:23:55 <Zero_Chaos> really? it's just a kernel module, it really has no deps....
Oct 24 20:24:11 <mimecar> if you have a kernel compile, it can be
Oct 24 20:24:26 <mimecar> i'm working with sl5500 (collie)
Oct 24 20:25:00 <Zero_Chaos> ahh.
Oct 24 20:25:23 <Zero_Chaos> you are still using the old kernel? 2.4.19-embedix?
Oct 24 20:25:34 <mimecar> no, it's using 2.6.20
Oct 24 20:25:48 <mimecar> i have complete x11 image for zaurus c1000 (akita)
Oct 24 20:26:09 <mimecar> on collie, i'm at task 800 of 1500 mor or less
Oct 24 20:26:19 <Zero_Chaos> akita is what I'm building for, and it fails.
Oct 24 20:26:43 <mimecar> usual packages worked for me
Oct 24 20:26:51 <mimecar> i've some problems with libxml2
Oct 24 20:39:27 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: on collie kernel, it compiles
Oct 24 20:39:41 <mimecar> i can't change to akita kernel, but it should work
Oct 24 20:40:04 <Zero_Chaos> it doesn't, that is the thing... not for me anyway
Oct 24 20:40:12 <Zero_Chaos> for akita that is
Oct 24 20:40:19 <Zero_Chaos> I think it was the kernel update.
Oct 24 20:40:33 <mimecar> have you update monotone ?
Oct 24 20:41:04 <Zero_Chaos> only a few times a day.  My point is that kernel 2.6.23 may not be compatible either just because, or because of configuration.
Oct 24 20:41:09 <Zero_Chaos> wireless changed a lot in .23
Oct 24 20:41:38 <mimecar> collie use a 2.6.20 kernel
Oct 24 20:42:13 <Zero_Chaos> .23 is the issue....
Oct 24 20:43:18 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: i'll be able to check it after collie compilation
Oct 24 20:43:24 <mimecar> i don't want mix systems now
Oct 24 20:43:28 <Zero_Chaos> mimecar: no worries.
Oct 24 20:44:46 <mimecar> i wish i can compile angstrom on collie .)
Oct 24 20:44:48 <mimecar> :)
Oct 24 20:44:57 <Zero_Chaos> you mean for collie?
Oct 24 20:45:07 <mimecar> yes
Oct 24 20:45:21 <Zero_Chaos> why not?
Oct 24 20:45:34 <mimecar> collie has some problems on compilation
Oct 24 20:48:10 <mimecar> hi zao
Oct 24 20:49:20 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: i will test the package after i get a console image for collie
Oct 24 20:49:33 <mimecar> 800 packages, 
Oct 24 20:53:06 <AciD``> hi
Oct 24 20:53:11 <mimecar> hi AciD``
Oct 24 20:54:27 <Zero_Chaos> no worries mimecar 
Oct 24 20:54:58 <mimecar> is a kernel driver for a wifi card?
Oct 24 20:55:18 <Zero_Chaos> correct
Oct 24 20:55:29 <mimecar> model?
Oct 24 20:55:55 <Zero_Chaos> ralink rt73 chipset, it's a usb card
Oct 24 20:56:04 <mimecar> conceptronic ?
Oct 24 20:56:12 <Zero_Chaos> ?
Oct 24 20:56:13 <tripolo> goog 2:4P1
Oct 24 20:56:19 <tripolo> good
Oct 24 20:56:29 <tripolo> yes conceptronic
Oct 24 20:56:46 <mimecar> Zero_Chaos: my wifi card on pc side is a conceptronic USB with ra73 chipset
Oct 24 20:56:49 <mimecar> hi octal_sio
Oct 24 20:56:56 <Zero_Chaos> oh, okay
Oct 24 20:57:01 <octal_sio> hey
Oct 24 20:57:22 <tripolo> yes, i too have a conceptronic with rt 73
Oct 24 20:57:25 <mimecar> hi tripolo
Oct 24 20:57:35 <tripolo> hi guys
Oct 24 20:58:51 <AciD``> is there any ways to install angstrom to a ipaq (hx4700) without flashing it ? with haret for instance ? According to http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/IpaqHx4700?highlight=%28hx4700%29 , it's not possible apparently
Oct 24 20:59:39 <mimecar> AciD``: if you have a familiar / angstrom on flash it's posible run it from sd card
Oct 24 21:00:06 <XorA|gone> AciD``: use a liveramdisk
Oct 24 21:00:26 <AciD``> I have familiar right now, but I've read it's quite old compared to angstrom, so I figured I could give it a try
Oct 24 21:00:56 <mimecar> AciD``: you can use altboot and boot the system from card
Oct 24 21:01:14 <XorA|gone> AciD``: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/hx4700/20070922/
Oct 24 21:01:25 <AciD``> is there any basic page explaining the steps and which file to get from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/hx4700/20071002/ ?
Oct 24 21:03:07 <AciD``> http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/2007-May/000297.html :>
Oct 24 21:03:56 <mimecar> XorA|gone: what're the task for a machine maintener (for example angstrom and coliie (zaurus sl5500))
Oct 24 21:04:37 <XorA|gone> mimecar: basically make decisions about machine features, compile and test images, try and close bugs etc etc
Oct 24 21:04:56 <mimecar> ok
Oct 24 21:05:08 <XorA|gone> mimecar: your aiming to make the platform usable for a user, but not neccessarilly polishing it to shiny
Oct 24 21:05:10 <mimecar> i saw the new maintener for zaurus c1000
Oct 24 21:05:18 <Zero_Chaos> mimecar: who?
Oct 24 21:05:31 <mimecar> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/zaurus-akita-supported
Oct 24 21:05:31 <XorA|gone> Tim Chick who did the overlay stuff for mplayer
Oct 24 21:05:58 <mimecar> "not neccessarilly polishing it to shiny" i don't understand tis sentence
Oct 24 21:06:21 <XorA|gone> mimecar: you dont have to make it into a final sellable product
Oct 24 21:06:28 <mimecar> ok
Oct 24 21:06:35 <XorA|gone> mimecar: were not expecting artists, just people who can make it work
Oct 24 21:06:57 <XorA|gone> http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/MachineMentors
Oct 24 21:07:01 <XorA|gone> is small list
Oct 24 21:07:26 <mimecar> XorA|gone: what're the steps to "store" a new package on angstrom feed ?
Oct 24 21:07:59 <XorA|gone> mimecar: you give koen your ssh key, he adds it, you can then scp/sftp/rsync into feed machine and run a script to sync it all up
Oct 24 21:08:00 <mimecar> i have an icon theme and i would like send it to the feed
Oct 24 21:08:07 <mimecar> ok
Oct 24 21:08:18 <XorA|gone> mimecar: I dont know his exact critear for people who are allowed to be added
Oct 24 21:08:39 <XorA|gone> mimecar: is theme in OE, it has to be in OE before feed
Oct 24 21:08:43 <mimecar> the's a small number of peopple can upload files
Oct 24 21:08:51 <mimecar> is a theme for gpe
Oct 24 21:09:47 <octal_sio> I'm trying to run angstrom on my nokia 770, it boots but the touch screen doesn't seem to work... is anyone else having the same problem?
Oct 24 21:10:03 <mimecar> octal_sio: angstrom version ?
Oct 24 21:10:08 <XorA|gone> octal_sio: not rich enough for a nxx0
Oct 24 21:13:17 <stealth> I read opie isnt supported with angstrom, but has anyone done it? I like using the zaurus compat libs and the collection of programs it provides
Oct 24 21:13:26 <stealth> how is angstrom different from familiar?
Oct 24 21:13:39 * XorA|gone goes to find sleep
Oct 24 21:13:49 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: night
Oct 24 21:13:56 <Zero_Chaos> stealth: it's about 4 years more up to date
Oct 24 21:14:00 <mimecar> night XorA|gone
Oct 24 21:14:15 <stealth> hmm
Oct 24 21:14:22 <mimecar> stealth: i think you can build it, but i don't know the state
Oct 24 21:14:22 <stealth> but gpe only supported
Oct 24 21:14:41 <stealth> how is minimo now adays? opera worked great 
Oct 24 21:14:54 <stealth> or what is the browser for the supported wm?
Oct 24 21:15:01 <mimecar> stealth:  opie haven't active developpers
Oct 24 21:15:19 <mimecar> that's the reason is not build (yet) on angstrom
Oct 24 21:16:02 <zap> Does mpd build for somebody? It crashes the compiler for me (cc1 internal error)
Oct 24 21:16:14 <mimecar> what's mdp?
Oct 24 21:16:21 <mimecar> mpd
Oct 24 21:16:22 <zap> mpd == music playing daemon
Oct 24 21:16:27 <mimecar> ok
Oct 24 21:16:28 <zap> a cool player I use on pc
Oct 24 21:16:29 <mimecar> no idea
Oct 24 21:16:32 <zap> :)
Oct 24 21:16:38 <mimecar> you can use madplay
Oct 24 21:16:45 <mimecar> it's a very good program
Oct 24 21:16:48 <mimecar> for mp3 files
Oct 24 21:16:51 <zap> I'll try
Oct 24 21:16:57 <stealth> gotcha gotcha.. but ok so goin angstrom could give  my ipaq 3765 a lil more life.. I remember GPE took quite a bit of more space than opie though.. are there more programs now for GPE? mainly a browser and a pdf viewer would be great.. I will totaly miss this though in opie http://freshmeat.net/projects/qplot/
Oct 24 21:17:00 <zap> because stock xmms is a bit rotten :)
Oct 24 21:17:21 <stealth> I wish the guy did port it to yacas
Oct 24 21:17:44 <mimecar> stealth: gpe-mini-browser and evince
Oct 24 21:18:07 <stealth> how many times can I flash my ipaq? .. :-D ?
Oct 24 21:18:26 <mimecar> flash memmory is 100.000 write cycles more or less
Oct 24 21:18:42 <mimecar> count cycles you've used and calculate :P
Oct 24 21:19:25 <stealth> well I just go back and forth from gpe to opie to this version blah blah.. ipkg screws up ... i know this is bleeding edge stuff but I love it... winCE is a joke
Oct 24 21:19:44 <stealth> reason the dreamcast died LOL
Oct 24 21:19:52 <mimecar> ipkg works without problems
Oct 24 21:20:23 <stealth> well somtimes if my memory would fill up it would get clogged out somehow.. like not enough memory to delete .. 
Oct 24 21:20:51 <mimecar> move the system to the sd card
Oct 24 21:20:57 <mimecar> and problem fixed
Oct 24 21:21:23 <octal_sio> mimecar, 2007.9-test-20071024 :D
Oct 24 21:21:24 <stealth> no cards, .. old ipaq
Oct 24 21:21:30 <octal_sio> lag... something's messed up with my router >.>
Oct 24 21:22:05 <mimecar> octal_sio: you have limited memmory
Oct 24 21:22:15 <stealth> ipaq 3765.. h3600 build or h3800 build?
Oct 24 21:24:32 <octal_sio> mimecar, on the 770?
Oct 24 21:25:27 <stealth> wiki talks about E17? like englightenment.. is it more like intimate with real windows/desktop instead of a pda tab interface?
Oct 24 21:25:45 <mimecar> wrong user :P
Oct 24 21:26:09 <mimecar> stealth: i think there's not an image with enlightment
Oct 24 21:26:41 <stealth> sorry.. two different questions
Oct 24 21:33:41 <stealth> u guys use usb or serial to flash?
Oct 24 21:34:42 <stealth> 4 years.. still good ol serial still works
Oct 24 21:34:45 <mimecar> i use a cf card
Oct 24 21:35:57 <AciD``> angstrom is booting !
Oct 24 21:36:01 <stealth> ymodem uploading
Oct 24 21:36:01 <AciD``> miracle \o/
Oct 24 21:36:37 <stealth> what gets me is everyone is like.. omg iphone and we been tryin to do this stuff for years
Oct 24 21:37:05 <stealth> nice hardware, poorly implemented
Oct 24 21:54:03 <AciD``> is it normal that there is no 'route' or 'ifconfig' in angstrom for root user ? (using Angstrom-x11-pimlico-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071002-hx4700.rootfs.tar.gz)
Oct 24 22:06:24 <AciD``> does angstrom support wpa2 ?
Oct 24 22:27:06 <stealth> does x11-image include gpe.. ? i see the gpe-test ones but.. how well do they work if it is test?
Oct 24 22:28:17 <stealth> i have a ipaq 3765 do I use the h3800 or h3600 ?
Oct 24 22:35:12 <stealth> hello?
Oct 24 22:35:28 <stealth> im reading the wiki..
Oct 24 23:28:57 <stealth> hello?
Oct 24 23:34:38 <stealth> I ymodemed up x11-image-h3600.jffs2 to my ipaq 3765 but now it sits at Uncompressing Linux........ .. the h3800 build dosent work at all wrong hardware
Oct 24 23:36:03 <stealth> ang is four years more up to date?
Oct 24 23:39:13 <stealth> seems 3600 should work.. i hold the joy button down with minicom hooked up and the serial console says Machine type--> iPAQ 3600
Oct 24 23:39:21 <stealth> rest
Oct 24 23:44:27 <stealth> I am using the handhelds.org bootldr from compaq... 
Oct 24 23:44:46 <stealth> 2.12.12
Oct 24 23:45:10 <stealth> I tried rule 2 but there really isnt any docs on my hardware
Oct 24 23:46:52 <stealth> when u have things like the QOQ you can see how projects like this can die pretty quick
Oct 24 23:46:56 <stealth> OQO
Oct 24 23:46:59 <stealth> oqo.com
Oct 24 23:47:35 <stealth> ugh
Oct 25 02:51:07 <stealth> I'm trying to install angstrom and gpe I flashed x11-image-h3600.jffs2 onto my ipaq 3765 with a serial cable and minicom via ymodem and arm bootloader 2.12.12 .. flashed wennt well but from console and booting it sits at ... "uncompressing linux...." ?
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