**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 30 02:59:56 2007 Oct 30 08:17:08 hi Oct 30 08:39:49 hey XorA Oct 30 08:40:17 yo koen Oct 30 08:43:33 Hi XorA Oct 30 08:43:49 XorA: Dis you build the latest kernel for akita ? Oct 30 08:43:57 vanguard: nope Oct 30 08:44:08 waiting for updated defconfig from Tim Chick Oct 30 08:44:25 Do you have contact to him ? Oct 30 08:44:57 Maybe he could check, if the hostap-modules will be built as default. Oct 30 08:45:35 koen: fucking ipkg bugs stop gsmd-devel dependency working Oct 30 09:03:26 hi Oct 30 09:14:28 XorA: Is it easy for you, to compile a single kernel-module for akita ? Oct 30 09:14:47 Since you have already the environment. Oct 30 09:15:32 I discovered, the hostap-modules are still version 2.6.22, all other are 2.6.23. Maybe they were forgotten ? Oct 30 09:21:54 vanguard: from koen post looks like they were Oct 30 09:23:30 O.k., fine. Will they be recompiles ? Oct 30 09:23:37 recompiled Oct 30 09:24:04 vanguard: when the machine maintainer sends his new defconfig Oct 30 09:24:49 Roger, so I will wait. Sry, they are needed for my WLAN-Card and so I cannot update. Oct 30 11:16:48 XorA: If you have contact to Tim Chicks, would you like to ask him, if he could build the other "missing" kernel-modules for akita , too ? Oct 30 11:17:14 * koen|away says "file a bug" Oct 30 11:17:26 There are a lot of modules, which are available for i.e. C3000, but not for akita. Oct 30 11:17:45 koen|away: These things are bugs ??? O.k. Oct 30 11:18:38 vanguard: anything that is not to your liking is a bug, we can always reject bugs with explanation if we decide to not implement/change Oct 30 11:19:04 vanguard: but please give good detailed reports so we dont just reject because we cant understand a word of the bug Oct 30 11:19:18 XorA: O.k., I will do my very best. Oct 30 11:19:22 vanguard: in akita case, its clearly a bug, the akita machine mentor should pick up :-) Oct 30 11:20:15 XorA: O.k., there are a lot of other things relating to akita. I will collect them an put it into bugreport. Oct 30 11:20:27 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3230 Oct 30 11:20:32 that would cover the wirless Oct 30 11:21:11 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3222 would actually be the solution Oct 30 11:21:14 Maybe there should be added a new part "C-1000" ? Oct 30 11:22:34 Anyway, I will try my best. Oct 30 11:23:11 vanguard: wait a minute Oct 30 11:23:30 vanguard: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3212 has a new defconfig from machine mentor Oct 30 11:25:17 * XorA has applied patch and is rebuilding spitz Oct 30 11:25:23 s/spitz/akita/ Oct 30 11:25:44 XorA: the things below Product and Component should be expanded (right word???). Oct 30 11:26:05 morning Oct 30 11:26:12 * hrw just pushed akita fixes Oct 30 11:26:21 Maybe "akita" or "application", so you can specify more particular. Oct 30 11:26:22 wifi and overlays are now ON in 2.6.23 Oct 30 11:26:30 Hi hrw Oct 30 11:26:44 hrw: gonna close all the bugs? Oct 30 11:26:53 3230 and 3212 are closed Oct 30 11:27:11 hrw: hostap modules are missing, do they ? Oct 30 11:27:25 hrw: 3222 Oct 30 11:27:34 hrw: They are still on 2.6.22 Oct 30 11:28:23 vanguard: we use 2.6.23 iirc now Oct 30 11:29:01 hrw: I know, but 5 minutes ago these modules were still on 2.6.22 (the only ones !) Oct 30 11:29:22 hrw: Take a look into the feed please. Oct 30 11:30:05 ok Oct 30 11:31:23 Some others, too, as I just discovered (orinoco, spectrum-cs) Oct 30 11:32:10 also enabled Oct 30 11:32:17 hrw: hermes Oct 30 11:32:21 also enabled Oct 30 11:32:39 Fine ! Oct 30 11:33:29 I suppose, there will be a new kernel released, soon. With the latest kernel and no wireless I have no chance to get access to the feed. Oct 30 11:33:35 No one has. Oct 30 11:35:00 hrw: The altboot-bug is running now (with the workaround in /etc/altboot-menu/15sd-card) Oct 30 11:35:15 hrw: BTW koen pointed me at #3233 Oct 30 11:35:29 But this does not explain, what really happens. Oct 30 11:37:29 what really happens is altboot is unmaintained Oct 30 11:38:20 XorA: I noticed it - plan to merge Oct 30 11:38:35 XorA: I meant, why is the SAME altboot and the SAME udev running with kernel-2.6.21, and NOT with 2.6.22 or 2.6.23 Oct 30 11:38:45 hrw: cool, I must have missed the email Oct 30 11:38:58 vanguard: debug and find out Oct 30 11:39:07 3233 is assigned to me now Oct 30 11:39:35 vanguard: you'll find quite a few of the Angstrom devs were against altboot being in default image anyway so we dont spend time working on it Oct 30 11:39:52 quilt a few is >= 2 Oct 30 11:40:20 XorA: I understand. This waste a lot of time. Oct 30 11:40:34 XorA: I just wondered. :) Oct 30 11:40:57 vanguard: basically someone just needs to debug, explain, patch Oct 30 11:41:08 vanguard: you stepping up :-D Oct 30 11:42:40 XorA: Yes, yes, I clearly understand this. And I know, some things are more important. Pleae excuse , if I sometimes seem to be some kind of guy, who expects everything at once. Oct 30 11:43:22 my suspicion is there used to be /dev/mmcblk0p1 in rootfs, its no longer there for some reason Oct 30 11:43:48 XorA: This is not my kind of style. My intention is just to give as much information, as I can, to make it easier for you, to get things working. Oct 30 11:44:25 so choices are to make altboot start udev to create that device, add that device to rootfs, or get altboot to scan and create devices itself Oct 30 11:44:41 hrw: about 3233... I still haven't updated usb host conrtoller module. Are there any datasheets for tc6393xb? Oct 30 11:45:41 lumag: no idea. sorry Oct 30 11:45:46 or add CMDLINE_ROOT = "root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootfstype=ext2" to local.conf and ignore altboot altogether Oct 30 11:46:10 XorA: Hmm, yes, this might work..... Oct 30 11:46:19 lumag: you might want to catch do13 online sometime Oct 30 11:46:38 wil try Oct 30 11:46:50 re Oct 30 11:46:56 he not on often due to new additions to family Oct 30 11:47:35 XorA: Question: There is a package "kernel-image-2.6.xxx.ipkg", installing this, does it mean, it i sthe same as flasing a new kernel ??? Oct 30 11:47:43 vanguard: no Oct 30 11:48:06 XorA: Ok, thanks. Oct 30 11:48:39 XorA: :) Oct 30 11:49:40 lumag: iirc there is no datasheet available ;( Oct 30 11:52:43 * XorA remembers its got topsecret SD protocol stuff in it, so its NDA AFAIK Oct 30 11:53:50 could the person doing the tosa update in OE also fix http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1372 ? Oct 30 11:54:12 * koen is looking at http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=2309&hide_resolved=0 for low-hanging fruit Oct 30 11:56:03 ;D Oct 30 11:56:24 I can update patches Oct 30 11:56:38 Is there a great difference relating to the hardware between C-3000 and C-1000 ? (except of the harddrive) Oct 30 11:56:51 vanguard: no Oct 30 11:56:56 flash chips Oct 30 11:57:05 and gpio extender in akita Oct 30 11:57:33 vanguard: there is more diffs between akita/spitz then between akita/borzoi(terrier) Oct 30 11:57:34 Fine, so I can look at C-3000 if something is missing in akita (i.e. kernel-module-ov511) Oct 30 11:57:41 no Oct 30 11:57:49 No ? Oct 30 11:58:08 kernels differ Oct 30 11:58:18 Argh ! Oct 30 11:58:49 Trisoft told me, they are the same hardware. Ok., they lied ! Oct 30 11:59:14 basically hardware is same from user point of view Oct 30 11:59:25 for the user the hardware is the same Oct 30 11:59:33 from kernel point of view they are different Oct 30 11:59:42 * koen too slow Oct 30 12:00:02 Lol, yes I understand. Oct 30 12:01:21 hey Oct 30 12:01:49 Hi dcordes ! Oct 30 12:04:27 how you doing vanguard? did you check the bugreports XorA filed concerning the hostap thing? Oct 30 12:04:40 s/filed/reffered to Oct 30 12:04:41 damn chip, all searches for it end up back at oesf.org forums Oct 30 12:04:58 dcordes: Yes, I checked. It is running now. Oct 30 12:05:02 good to hear Oct 30 12:05:12 did you also notice the activity in oebug 3007? Oct 30 12:05:23 But it is just a workaround. Anyway, it is working. Oct 30 12:05:30 ah just noticed your replies Oct 30 12:06:05 Withe the new kernel I got no wireless, due to some missing kernel-modules. Oct 30 12:06:13 hrw is working on it. Oct 30 12:06:40 I think it's already been fixed Oct 30 12:06:50 At the moment I try to flash the newest kernel, then manually update the kernel modules. It is a paine. Oct 30 12:07:04 but concerning altboot: I don't understand your last coment.. first you said my workaround worked for you, then you say it doesn't because you tried with 2.6.21? Oct 30 12:07:53 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20071030/ Oct 30 12:07:56 Yes, I booted accidently 2.6.21, but then I flashed again and then booted again with 2.6.23 Oct 30 12:08:22 did you try yet with both 2.6.23 in your flash and on sd? Oct 30 12:08:36 koen: does that image include working hostap? Oct 30 12:08:49 I only flashed the kernel, then booted into the sd-card. Oct 30 12:08:57 (using altboot) Oct 30 12:09:02 yes with differing kernel versions Oct 30 12:09:18 which is not so good Oct 30 12:09:24 dcordes: no, minimal-image doesn't include wifi Oct 30 12:09:37 dcordes: it does have the updated kernel Oct 30 12:10:58 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3212 can I take from comment #5 that 2.6.23 hostap are pushed to akita defconfig and it's time to try out? Oct 30 12:11:44 dcordes: I am still trying with the kernels..... Oct 30 12:12:04 dcordes: yes .bb files are updated Oct 30 12:12:50 ok I will try it out after finished school stuff Oct 30 12:13:09 koen: can you build tosa images? Oct 30 12:13:11 and updated kernel is is at the link I posted Oct 30 12:13:23 hrw: yes, which kernel do you want? Oct 30 12:13:26 did SDIO hit mainline yet? Oct 30 12:13:27 dcordes: As soon I have a result, I will post it here and/or at the bugreport. Oct 30 12:13:42 koen: default: 2.6.17 Oct 30 12:14:20 koen: yea I will rebuild kernel and rootfs. Could you take a slight look at the altboot thing? I tried out the udev thing you refered to in comment #7 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3007 Oct 30 12:14:46 dcordes: First result: working. Oct 30 12:15:03 nice Oct 30 12:15:08 dcordes: why do you want to rebuild it? Oct 30 12:15:19 dcordes: the kernel you want is already online Oct 30 12:15:28 dcordes: and I loathe altboot Oct 30 12:15:28 * XorA goes to get food Oct 30 12:15:38 koen: I want to get rid of the old kernel stuff I build and rebuild it on my OE Oct 30 12:15:53 XorA: bon appetito Oct 30 12:20:08 koen: I don't like it either since it stopped working in 2.6.22 and nobody cared. But maybe you have an idea if I state the situation shortly: There is a problem with udev not being loaded. I ran it manually from the altboot console with "/etc/init.d/altboot start" and SD was mounted. Then I put that command on top of the script for the menu "entry /etc/altboot-menu/15-bootSD". That makes things work but there are some error messages appea Oct 30 12:20:32 now the questions is if there's any idea to include starting udev more clean Oct 30 12:21:02 to put a patch into altboot's recipe so everybody is happy again booting their zauri from sd Oct 30 12:22:00 starting udev is not a solution Oct 30 12:22:01 vanguard: could you be so kind and confirm the workaround is working now? It looks like it is failing refering to your comment #12 right now Oct 30 12:22:10 koen: well it is working that way.. Oct 30 12:22:25 it only confirms that altboot needs devnodes, but doesn't check if they exist Oct 30 12:22:35 dcordes: I am still testing, sorry. I am just flashing new with ne ramdisk. Oct 30 12:22:45 I meant, initrd. Oct 30 12:22:49 believe me: you put that command and are set Oct 30 12:23:18 During this day I will give you the answer. Oct 30 12:23:32 koen: if not udev is ran, altboot says the card dev node is no dev node. Oct 30 12:23:35 :) Please let me some time to test it. Oct 30 12:23:51 vanguard: sorry Oct 30 12:24:06 dont care. :) Oct 30 12:24:14 dcordes: I repeat: Starting udev is not a solution Oct 30 12:24:28 koen: I got this Oct 30 12:24:30 it will leave a udev process lying around which you can't get rid of Oct 30 12:24:57 I knew that way had its downsides Oct 30 12:25:06 the easiest fix is to have altboot mknod the devnodes on startup Oct 30 12:25:08 that is why I'm here asking for a different solution Oct 30 12:25:24 well there ARE dev nodes Oct 30 12:25:32 /dev/mmcblkp01 exists... Oct 30 12:25:47 but if you try to mount, that you get "no valid block device" Oct 30 12:26:23 13:23 < dcordes> koen: if not udev is ran, altboot says the card dev node is no dev node. Oct 30 12:26:40 because it is wrong entry for mmcblk0p1 Oct 30 12:26:47 if not udev is ran == out of the box state Oct 30 12:26:53 "no dev node" != "no valid block device" Oct 30 12:27:02 let me get akita here to try and reconstruct. just a second Oct 30 12:27:33 ooh ok I guess I severly lack basic knowledge here! Oct 30 12:27:36 wor dup all Oct 30 12:28:45 hrw: mmc major number changed? Oct 30 12:30:29 isn't it dynamic? Oct 30 12:30:50 dunno Oct 30 12:32:11 I'm commenting out the udev start command of the altboot SD startscript and reboot to investigate the situation of the normal state Oct 30 12:35:18 koen: I'm supposed to check out if a device node for the SD in /dev/ is created automatically in altboot, right? Oct 30 12:35:24 hrw: building tosa images now Oct 30 12:35:45 thx Oct 30 12:35:55 dcordes: yes, and compare that with a 'ls -la /dev/mmc*' with and without udev Oct 30 12:36:18 dcordes: Pre-info for you: I have now running kernel-2.6.23 with your workaround. This is running. Oct 30 12:36:37 koen: see? Oct 30 12:37:15 I know it works, it just isn't a solution Oct 30 12:38:05 Info for all: I am running the latest kernel ! Oct 30 12:39:21 koen: ok first thing you get when you try to boot sd the normal "out of the box way" is "fsck.ext3: while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0p1\ Possibly non-existent or swap device?" and "mounting /media/card.... ERROR: /bin/mount -t auto -o defaults,noatime /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card failed Oct 30 12:39:47 hrw: Will you update the missing wireless modules today ? Oct 30 12:39:56 vanguard: that is fixed yet Oct 30 12:40:24 vanguard: it is fixed in OE Oct 30 12:40:29 dcordes: Your workaround seem to work. Oct 30 12:40:36 vanguard: yep nice Oct 30 12:40:57 dcordes: Yes, nice work !!!! Thanks !!! Oct 30 12:40:57 thing is, refering to koen that is no solution because udev is running in the kernel and you can't get rid of it Oct 30 12:41:10 hrw: There are still version 2.6.22 Oct 30 12:41:20 I don't see the essence of that problem right now but commiting ugly patches is not so good I think Oct 30 12:41:36 vanguard: yes in the repository. but in OE it is fixed Oct 30 12:41:56 dcordes: Yes, only way is to stop the process and let it restart through altboot. Oct 30 12:43:33 dcordes: Hmm, well, but it would be nice, if the kernel-modules could be released, as I do not want to flash my hole sd-.card with some new image. Oct 30 12:44:06 I bet somebody or something will upload them to the repository Oct 30 12:44:30 vanguard: ipkg install them Oct 30 12:44:32 Yes, that is what I tried to say. :) Oct 30 12:44:41 if I knew how to build module ipks, I would like to offer you to send you them Oct 30 12:44:42 you don;t have to reflash a complete image Oct 30 12:44:51 koen: I will, but they are still not in the feed. Oct 30 12:44:56 koen: are they in the repo yet? Oct 30 12:45:04 they are Oct 30 12:45:24 koen: So I begged, someone will upload it. :) Oct 30 12:45:38 koen: I did as you said and grped /dev/mmc* w and w/o udev (re??)started Oct 30 12:45:43 in altboot Oct 30 12:47:10 dcordes: and now start udev and compare Oct 30 12:47:19 hrw: koen: http://www.pastebin.ca/755038 Oct 30 12:47:23 here's a conclusion Oct 30 12:47:42 dcordes: I said 'ls -la' Oct 30 12:47:52 man I had to type it off by hand Oct 30 12:47:59 what is the important bit missing? Oct 30 12:48:11 the device numbers Oct 30 12:48:21 ok I will update the paste Oct 30 12:48:49 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 Sep 28 2006 /dev/sda <- the numbers between 'disk' and 'Sep' Oct 30 12:49:30 * koen notices: 13:49:07 up 397 days, 4:33, 13 users, load average: 3.46, 2.94, 2.72 Oct 30 12:49:41 Thanks for the modules ! Oct 30 12:49:44 397 days in bureaucratic void Oct 30 12:49:58 vanguard: are they in the repos? Oct 30 12:50:28 Yes, just since a minute ago. :) Oct 30 12:51:06 guys is that a device name? 179, 0 Oct 30 12:51:41 here: http://www.pastebin.ca/755044 Oct 30 12:51:47 koen: hrw Oct 30 12:51:58 13:52:03 up 397 days, 4:36, 13 users, load average: 2.04, 2.41, 2.54 Oct 30 12:52:04 ah.. ewi love Oct 30 12:52:23 there's the problem Oct 30 12:52:25 dcordes: and difference == no device error Oct 30 12:52:37 the device nodes are created with the wrong major number Oct 30 12:53:00 hrw: My personal record "675 days uptime" :) Oct 30 12:53:23 Then my network card crashed :( Oct 30 12:53:30 koen: how to fix it? Oct 30 12:53:57 dcordes: no idea, I don't know the altboot internals Oct 30 12:54:06 you'd ahve to ask CoreDump Oct 30 12:54:41 I tried to contact him like 10 times about the issue. Seems pretty busy Oct 30 12:55:17 dcordes: you need to write script which will look into /sys/block/mmcblk* and will create /dev/ entries with mknod Oct 30 12:56:06 hrw: first tosa image uploaded to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/tosa/20071030/ Oct 30 12:56:13 koen, hrw, that is where I added up the ugly hack before http://www.pastebin.ca/755048 Oct 30 12:56:27 dcordes: kind of: mknod /dev/mmcblk0p1 b `cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p1/dev` Oct 30 12:56:37 koen: thx Oct 30 12:57:32 dcordes: you need to adapt mount_sd function rather Oct 30 12:57:57 I know the udev thing sucks Oct 30 12:59:27 can somebody tell me how to make ` with the zaurus keyboard? Oct 30 12:59:59 Shift + 7 ? Oct 30 13:00:27 hm that makes it wrong way. I need ` not ' Oct 30 13:00:37 like here Oct 30 13:00:42 mknod /dev/mmcblk0p1 b `cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p1/dev` Oct 30 13:00:43 * hrw has no idea Oct 30 13:00:43 I suppose, you have no X Oct 30 13:00:52 yes, right Oct 30 13:01:23 but I can boot up fiddle my usb wifi online and ssh... hrrm Oct 30 13:02:08 try another keyboard-layout Oct 30 13:02:20 from the command line? Oct 30 13:02:21 loadkeys en , i.e Oct 30 13:02:29 yes Oct 30 13:02:51 cannot open en.. Oct 30 13:02:56 no, does not work.... Oct 30 13:03:03 I see....... Oct 30 13:03:05 well ssh then Oct 30 13:03:58 is there a way to make ohci_hcd automagically mount when usb device is plugged? Oct 30 13:04:16 there's no recognition for this w/o ohci_hcd, right? Oct 30 13:04:49 Hmm, if you add a file named ohci-hcd in /etc/modutils Oct 30 13:05:09 and a single line ohci-hcd in it. Oct 30 13:05:13 doesn't that waste extra battery if you don't need it? Oct 30 13:05:42 Do not know, I am at powerchord now. Oct 30 13:07:04 You can delete it later. Oct 30 13:08:24 vanguard: do you also feel an increase in bootup spped with 2.6.23 or am I just imaging it? Oct 30 13:08:59 dcordes: No, had no "feeling" in increasing speed. Oct 30 13:09:45 dcordes: Maybe my sd-card is slowing things down. Oct 30 13:10:26 yes sd is decreasing speed a lot I think Oct 30 13:10:34 dcordes: I see significant speed, when starting from flashmemeory. Oct 30 13:10:44 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! :) Oct 30 13:11:43 ah great Oct 30 13:11:51 copy and paste to the machine directly Oct 30 13:12:21 I thought of running the main applications from flash, and installing the big ones (and fewer used) top sd-card. But I do not know , if this is still possible like in OPIE. Oct 30 13:13:08 I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't Oct 30 13:13:41 hrw: mknod /dev/mmcblk0p1 b `cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p1/dev` does not work Oct 30 13:13:52 Do not know. In those days,. I had to manually link them with ipkg-link /dev/mmc Oct 30 13:13:52 it is printing syntax Oct 30 13:14:20 vanguard: I just spare me the hassle and install everything to sd rootfs Oct 30 13:14:44 Yes, thats the same way, I do. Oct 30 13:14:50 I'm planing to use akita a bit more instead of fiddling around with it all day ;) Oct 30 13:15:01 I need about 420 MB. Oct 30 13:15:09 dcordes: then adapt it to busybox mknod Oct 30 13:15:10 I've got 2gb sd right now Oct 30 13:15:20 hrw: ? sorry what's busybox :( Oct 30 13:15:34 * dcordes :x Oct 30 13:15:53 For me it is like my notebook: Office, Networkanalyzing, wardriving, multimedia etc. etc. Oct 30 13:16:15 yep the clamshells are unbeatable. Oct 30 13:16:19 Just to use it for REAL THINGS, and NOT only playing. Oct 30 13:16:48 wardriving != playing :D ? Oct 30 13:16:57 dcordes: It is just Linux, and the hardware is cool. I love the keyboard and the respolution of the screen. Oct 30 13:17:08 yep Oct 30 13:17:32 wardriving in the sense of analyzing wireless networks (i.e. for friends or work) Oct 30 13:17:34 hrw: you mean I should put the command to a different place and not inside /etc/altboot-menu/15-bootSD? Oct 30 13:18:01 dcordes: no - you need to check how mknod wants options and adapt my example to it Oct 30 13:18:19 ah Ok Oct 30 13:18:52 so I just want to alter the device numbers from the w/o uboot state to w uboot state?D Oct 30 13:18:54 My Z is just a notebook in the pocket. Oct 30 13:19:22 oh man s/uboot/udev Oct 30 13:19:29 It is more than a Loox or other WinCE-stuff. Oct 30 13:19:36 of course we all now Oct 30 13:19:47 but thing is most ppl don't Oct 30 13:20:04 ppl ? Oct 30 13:20:10 people, sorry. Oct 30 13:20:20 I'm doing a lot of linux pda propaganda with the zaurus Oct 30 13:20:33 And no one listens ??? Oct 30 13:21:16 of course but the downside is most of them have never seen a linux system before (except in all situations they didn't notice it) or at my place :D Oct 30 13:21:35 I know the same here, they are so proud with their Blackberries and Loox or IPAqs with WinCE. Oct 30 13:22:02 for me sl-cxx0 are too bulky Oct 30 13:22:09 yep it's no achievement buying wince device for 400 euros when it has most features crippled Oct 30 13:22:17 c7x0 with small battery have nice size but lack features Oct 30 13:22:36 I most miss bluetooth in my akita Oct 30 13:22:50 if I wouldn't need the sd I would think of sdio bt Oct 30 13:22:55 dcordes: You can use a BT-stick. Oct 30 13:23:06 Mine is running fine. Oct 30 13:23:17 yea I know.. Have one here and also tried it Oct 30 13:23:24 Otherwise you can use the CF-Card# Oct 30 13:23:31 but as hrw said I'm of the same opinnion it is relatively bulky Oct 30 13:23:44 You will never use wlan and BT together. Oct 30 13:23:50 and to add more usb and stuff making it even bigger is no choise Oct 30 13:23:55 but CF would be a solution Oct 30 13:24:14 There is the Nokia 770 as an alternative. Oct 30 13:24:15 that's right. we already had talks about bluetooth gsm if you recall ;) Oct 30 13:24:45 * hrw has nokia 770 Oct 30 13:24:45 Yes, I remember well. Oct 30 13:25:10 I didn't try it yet although I would stil be keen to try Oct 30 13:25:15 vanguard: I will use wlan and BT in same time Oct 30 13:25:34 vanguard: fetching software via wifi and forwarding some of it to my BT phone Oct 30 13:25:36 hrw: 770 is n800/n810 ancestor, right? Oct 30 13:25:55 770 -> n800 -> n810 Oct 30 13:25:58 k Oct 30 13:26:12 slow, lowram, lowflash Oct 30 13:26:21 lol Oct 30 13:26:28 * hrw needs dualcore cpu.. Oct 30 13:26:40 in your mobile machine? Oct 30 13:26:57 are there dual core embedded solutions? Oct 30 13:27:50 There is a new Asus notebook available. Oct 30 13:27:53 in my desktop Oct 30 13:28:19 Without harddrive and with linux installed. Called "EEE" Oct 30 13:28:23 hrw: refering to the mknod script: Do I need to remove the old nodes before I create the new ones or am I supposed to just change the existing node? Oct 30 13:28:45 vanguard: my brother has it at his place Oct 30 13:28:51 pretty nice and sleek Oct 30 13:29:05 but I don't think it is available yet Oct 30 13:29:14 also it would be no replacement for akita :) too big Oct 30 13:29:40 hrw: ah you're doing a build? Oct 30 13:30:10 remove old first Oct 30 13:30:26 build? two builds now Oct 30 13:31:07 grrr, cpufreq and nice dont play well Oct 30 13:31:44 I'm happy to have an intel dualcore system after building weeks on pII Oct 30 13:31:51 PIII 500 sorry Oct 30 13:32:24 hrw: do I remove the nodes simpy with rm? Oct 30 13:32:31 I use mostly a notebook: AMD64, Dualcore, 1G Ram, Nvidia GF 7300 Oct 30 13:32:37 My wisch ! Oct 30 13:32:40 :) Oct 30 13:33:14 my desktop is amd64 2GHz 2.1G RAM nvidia 6600GT Oct 30 13:33:22 XorA: linux-rp-2.6.23-r5 that's the most recent one? Oct 30 13:33:26 notebook is pentium Mobile 1.6G 1G ram Oct 30 13:33:30 dcordes: yes Oct 30 13:33:37 hrw: IBM ? Oct 30 13:34:02 dcordes: looks like it Oct 30 13:34:23 vanguard: Dell Oct 30 13:35:14 nice Oct 30 13:35:43 I have acer with turion 1,8. Best mobile oven around Oct 30 13:36:10 Mine is also Acer. Aspire 9300 Oct 30 13:36:12 * XorA has a dual core amd64 laptop Oct 30 13:36:19 and never buy acer. I was waiting 10 weeks for them to replace my display cover becauase it was broken the second time Oct 30 13:36:30 5024 here. two years old Oct 30 13:36:55 dcordes: I have Acer Advantage, so Igot a NEW one within 1 week. Oct 30 13:38:26 I had 5016 before, but my graphic card died. Oct 30 13:39:01 So I had to get a new one. The 120 Euro for the AcerAdvantage-Contract are well spent. Oct 30 13:39:12 acer hardware is terribly misconcepted. Oct 30 13:39:38 my notebook has bad thermal design and the display is misconstructed because it broke two times. Oct 30 13:39:39 Look at Siemens, this is worse ! Oct 30 13:40:06 * hrw needs new battery for c7x0 ;( Oct 30 13:40:19 dcordes: You know, you can get e new one, if it is defective three times during guarantee time ? Oct 30 13:40:52 yes I heard that: After I got it back 2 weeks ago, I was wondering if they would also have replaced the broken touchpad Oct 30 13:41:25 which I found fault with also in the first repair but was not repaired Oct 30 13:41:36 and see they did only replace the display housing Oct 30 13:41:37 At my first notebook they replaced the top cover, as it was broken. Oct 30 13:41:44 so I will soon have third RMA Oct 30 13:41:49 dcordes: mknod mmcblk0p1 b `cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p1/dev|sed 's/:/ /' ` Oct 30 13:41:58 just tested on c7x0 Oct 30 13:42:07 perfect Oct 30 13:42:23 I have to tell, I never had problems with Acers. Oct 30 13:42:33 I was just trying out if the script removed the old nodes well Oct 30 13:42:38 hrw: I do too, but not exploding c7x0 batteries seem to be difficult to find Oct 30 13:43:13 XorA: that sounds pretty evil Oct 30 13:43:26 I heard of your exploding battery experiences Oct 30 13:43:38 I bet it smells nice? Oct 30 13:44:12 hrw: did you put the mknod in some script or issue it manually? Oct 30 13:44:44 hrw: In earlier times, the wireless card got an IP, as soon I plugged it in. This behaviour has gone. Oct 30 13:45:01 hrw: Do you know why, maybe ? Oct 30 13:45:41 hrw: Maybe I have to put the "dhclient" script somewhere.... Oct 30 13:47:02 dcordes: by hand tested Oct 30 13:47:11 vanguard: which card exactly? Oct 30 13:47:46 I use a Siemens card, CF-1100, which is running with the hostap drivers. Oct 30 13:47:50 vanguard: propably check /etc/network interface for auto wlan0\ wlan0 inet dhcp Oct 30 13:48:01 At the moment ist is not running at all ! Oct 30 13:48:05 and does it associate automatically? Oct 30 13:48:39 dcordes: /etc/network/interfaces is o.k. Oct 30 13:48:43 did you put iwcofnig essid to any/your ap one? or put it as wireless_essid any/your ap one into /etc/network/interfaces? Oct 30 13:48:48 also the iwconfig party? Oct 30 13:48:50 part Oct 30 13:49:22 sounds like an if [-e /sys/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p1/dev] ; mknod mmcblk0p1 b `cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p1/dev|sed 's/:/ /' ` Oct 30 13:49:26 vanguard: pccardctl ident please Oct 30 13:49:27 needs to be in altboot Oct 30 13:49:32 Just a moment please. It is not seen as wlan0 (as before) , but eth0 Oct 30 13:49:41 I have to change and test again. Oct 30 13:49:54 if [ -f ..... Oct 30 13:49:55 vanguard: cat /sys/devices/platform/sharp-scoop/pxa2xx-pcmcia/0.0/modalias Oct 30 13:49:56 hm I noticed that in 2.6.22 Oct 30 13:51:21 hrw: There is no /sys/devices/platform/sharp-scoop/pxa2xx-pcmcia/0.0/modalias, but /sys/devices/platform/sharp-pm/****4 Oct 30 13:51:52 hrw: Might be, something is still misconfigured. I have a new kernel ! Oct 30 13:53:09 vanguard: "find /sys -name modalias" and select one with 0.0 or 0.1 path element Oct 30 13:53:15 hi Crofton Oct 30 13:54:53 i HAVE Oct 30 13:55:00 I have several. Oct 30 13:55:47 Some with pxa2xx-pcmia (which IMO is the correct one) Oct 30 13:56:04 And some corgi-ssp Oct 30 13:59:18 gm Oct 30 13:59:32 hi Crofton Oct 30 14:00:25 hrw: I've update tosa patch in the bugzilla to include your changes for uinput Oct 30 14:00:41 hrw: Got it ! Oct 30 14:01:35 hrw: The bug is, the wlancard is seen as eth0 , not as wlan0. So there is a double entry in /etc/network/interfaces. Oct 30 14:01:55 hrw: I commented all out and started again: working. Oct 30 14:02:09 XorA: is that an improvement to hrw's mknod workaround? Oct 30 14:02:30 hrw: No I have to find out, where the device gets its name. Oct 30 14:03:08 hrw: udev is responsible for it, this is what I know, and in dektop-linux it is in udev-rules. Oct 30 14:03:38 ~/*+--3 Oct 30 14:05:45 dcordes: well if written correctly it would be Oct 30 14:07:57 lumag: no problem - I will do that too Oct 30 14:08:02 hrw: Forget about my input with the IP. Oct 30 14:08:18 hrw: This seem to work agau'in ! Oct 30 14:08:41 vanguard: eth0 is because of orinoco_cs, wlan0 from hostap_cs Oct 30 14:09:35 hrw: Hmm, just before the same card ran with hostap_cs, now it is runing with orinoco_cs ? Oct 30 14:09:46 hrw: ok Oct 30 14:10:50 hrw: You might be right, as now (and a new situation) , orinoco_cs is loaded. Oct 30 14:11:06 lsmod told me that. Oct 30 14:13:00 hrw: Seems, this driver is running better..... Oct 30 14:13:30 interesting altboot tries to create /dev/mmcblk0p1 with 254,1 if they dont exist Oct 30 14:13:30 so I can patch that section to properly create them Oct 30 14:13:34 put that on wrong channel Oct 30 14:13:37 0 Oct 30 14:14:24 sorry am cleanink workspace Oct 30 14:15:06 vanguard: but lack wpa Oct 30 14:16:20 * dcordes don't has wpa with hostap_cs Oct 30 14:16:40 hrw: Hmm, I have only WEP, as I have a very old router, but WPA would be interesting either. The card is able to run WPA and wpa2. Oct 30 14:19:00 but orinoco_cs is not able to Oct 30 14:19:09 dcordes: interesting say.. Oct 30 14:19:52 hrw: I get errors when I try to run wpa setup command Oct 30 14:20:25 at least that's how it was last time I tried Oct 30 14:20:29 2.6.21 I think Oct 30 14:20:32 ah.. errors.. Oct 30 14:20:47 like 'ewhqh!J#O$@#$@ you ugly user!!' ones/ Oct 30 14:20:48 ? Oct 30 14:21:14 Interesting: When running from flash, it loads hoastap, when running from sd-card , it loads orinoco. Oct 30 14:21:19 Fancy....... Oct 30 14:21:45 hrw: how do you know!! Oct 30 14:22:03 vanguard: I am still waiting for modalias Oct 30 14:22:25 dcordes: can I send you a new altboot.func file to test? Oct 30 14:22:39 hrw: Don't care. I can wait. Oct 30 14:22:56 hrw: It is just interesting. :) Oct 30 14:23:02 vanguard: so wait until 2.6.87 Oct 30 14:23:27 XorA: please Oct 30 14:23:28 hrw: So fast , as you all work, it will not last long ! Oct 30 14:23:37 XorA: is it binary or text? Oct 30 14:23:44 dcordes: its text Oct 30 14:23:50 dcordes: Ill upload it to a webserver Oct 30 14:24:04 vanguard: there are hundreds of wifi cards and users Oct 30 14:24:07 XorA: ok you can also email lukas.gorris a t gmx.de Oct 30 14:24:24 http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/altboot.func Oct 30 14:24:31 vanguard: without modalias I will not get your card into list of working ones Oct 30 14:24:33 simple/ Oct 30 14:24:37 dcordes: replace the one on your device with that and hope I didnt typo it Oct 30 14:24:39 hrw: Not for a long time. Oct 30 14:24:46 XorA: where does it live? Oct 30 14:24:53 dcordes: do ipkg files altboot Oct 30 14:24:56 vanguard: cards which are handled by orinoco AND hostap is long Oct 30 14:25:00 hrw: Most cards are no more allowed, to import to Europe. Oct 30 14:25:00 k Oct 30 14:25:21 vanguard: prism cards are NOT manufactured ANYMORE Oct 30 14:26:06 hrw: No, not the electronics in it, but the stuff around is poisioning. Oct 30 14:26:11 dcordes: oh and make sure you remove any other hacks you added :-) Oct 30 14:26:27 it's already at clear state Oct 30 14:26:32 vanguard: I know of RoHS. Oct 30 14:26:40 hrw: And as the law does not allow some things, which are allowed in the far east.... Oct 30 14:26:46 hrw: Yes. Oct 30 14:27:03 RoHS is why we need SDIO in zaurus :-) Oct 30 14:27:04 vanguard: and in world where 802.11b is obsolete who wants to create such cards? Oct 30 14:27:30 XorA: we have sdio in zaurus. but many cards require 4bit transfers so pxa25x are out Oct 30 14:27:56 is pxa25x the clamshells? Oct 30 14:28:18 poodle, c7x0, tosa are pxa25x Oct 30 14:28:24 spitz, akita are pxa27x Oct 30 14:29:31 k Oct 30 14:30:03 hrw: screw 25x :-) Oct 30 14:30:11 YES! Oct 30 14:30:27 * XorA hides from dcordes Oct 30 14:30:49 XorA: update my c7x0 then;D Oct 30 14:30:59 * XorA punts hrw's c7x0 into the sea Oct 30 14:31:01 don't you fear the battery? Oct 30 14:31:44 * hrw buidls 2.6.22 for tosa now Oct 30 14:32:04 euuuhh obsolete Oct 30 14:32:12 2.6.23 already built Oct 30 14:32:16 :( Oct 30 14:32:48 STRONG ARMM FOREVER Oct 30 14:33:39 dcordes: hows that testing going? Oct 30 14:34:35 new /etc/altboot.func in place. Rebooting, Sir! Oct 30 14:35:09 NOTE: package linux-rp-2.6.22-r10: task do_patch: completed Oct 30 14:35:24 haha Oct 30 14:35:35 guess I just garbled the rootfs with unclean umount Oct 30 14:35:48 altboot tells me to run e2fscl Oct 30 14:36:51 oops. mmcblk0p1 not present Oct 30 14:37:55 mmcda mmcda1 and mmcda2 Oct 30 14:38:10 with 60; 0,1,2 Oct 30 14:38:52 mmcda is crap to ignore Oct 30 14:39:12 I will try the udev hack for reference Oct 30 14:39:23 * XorA fiddles around andd decides too try it on sspitz Oct 30 14:40:46 hrw: I tested well -> booting from flash = hoatap, booting from sd-card (with dcordes workaround) = orinoco Oct 30 14:40:59 so you have local problem then Oct 30 14:41:10 Thus this cards is working with both drivers well. Oct 30 14:41:14 vanguard: anyway I want modalias value ;D Oct 30 14:41:45 hrw: there is another issue with 2.6.23. It's getting too big, that's why more functionality was moved to modules. Oct 30 14:42:12 lumag: I know Oct 30 14:42:14 akita-ioexp ? Oct 30 14:42:27 lumag: c7x0 and akita already has pcmcia in modules due to this Oct 30 14:43:18 hrw: ok. I thought about moving pcmcia to modules, but feared: I'm using CF as /usr Oct 30 14:43:31 how can I find out block size of block device? Oct 30 14:43:59 with ext2 fs Oct 30 14:44:27 dcordes: by checking /sys/block/ entries Oct 30 14:45:24 hrw: this is along number ! Oct 30 14:45:32 hrw: interesting folder there Oct 30 14:46:27 cat /sys/devices/platform/akita-ioexp/sharp-scoop/pxa2xx-pcmcia/0.0/modalias Oct 30 14:46:46 vanguard: so what is value? Oct 30 14:46:50 hrw: where exactly is the block size among all that info? Oct 30 14:46:55 dcordes: look Oct 30 14:47:24 hrw: There is no value, just a number with about 64 digits. Oct 30 14:47:25 /sys/block/mmcblk0/size etc Oct 30 14:47:33 vanguard: which I need Oct 30 14:47:43 ugh Oct 30 14:47:48 vanguard: pcmcia:m0156c0002f06fn00pfn00pa1CADD3E5pbE697636Cpc7A5BFCF1pd00000000 sort of is what I need Oct 30 14:48:30 only can find size Oct 30 14:49:14 which is not looking like block size Oct 30 14:51:09 ah. Oct 30 14:51:54 pcmcia:mD601c0005f06fn00pfn00paD5B9FB0Dpb39D8CBADpc00000000pd00000000 Oct 30 14:52:08 This is the number. Pasted from my Z.# Oct 30 14:52:37 thx Oct 30 14:52:58 hrw: Do you have now all my secrets ? Oct 30 14:53:56 vanguard: on sd card you lack /etc/modutils/hostap_cs.conf - right? Oct 30 14:53:56 eheh Oct 30 14:54:38 Yes. It is a seperate package, as I remeber. Oct 30 14:54:52 There is no hostap_cs_conf Oct 30 14:56:04 hrw: Do I need it ? I deinstalled it. Oct 30 14:56:48 thats why you got orinoco instead of hostap Oct 30 14:57:35 hrw: Yes, this is explaining it. Which driver is better in your opinion ? orinoco or hostap ? Oct 30 14:57:57 hostap Oct 30 14:58:08 orinoco is smaller but hostap gives WPA Oct 30 14:58:11 XorA: you tried on spitz yet? Oct 30 14:58:32 dcordes: still flashing Oct 30 14:58:38 I understand. Do you know, if suspend is supported now ? Oct 30 14:58:50 My card is needing a lot of power. Oct 30 14:59:09 vanguard: which suspend? my c7x0 suspend/resume without problems Oct 30 14:59:29 Formerly I used a DFE-650, which needed much less power, as it powerded down itself. Oct 30 15:01:01 XorA: I just rebuilt sd fs Oct 30 15:01:18 so no real test result yet because it was broken when I first tried Oct 30 15:07:20 hrw: there is no difference. It is still loading orinoco. Oct 30 15:07:53 XorA: It is not working. No mmcblk0* nodes pop off Oct 30 15:08:04 i should maybe blacklist it. Oct 30 15:08:26 filesystem is definetly ok because with altboot ugly hack it is booting Oct 30 15:08:45 dcordes: confirm Oct 30 15:09:30 dcordes: debugging Oct 30 15:09:33 I was meaning the very file system on the sd inside dcordes' akita Oct 30 15:09:41 , vanguard ;) Oct 30 15:11:04 re Oct 30 15:12:25 hrw: Now I understand ! In hotap.conf is the number I sent to you written in. And if it finds it in hostap.conf, it will use hostap as the driver. Oct 30 15:13:03 I'm taking the time to reflash upgraded kernel Oct 30 15:13:04 hrw: As the card is new on the market, the number is still unknown, right ? Oct 30 15:13:05 yes Oct 30 15:13:13 vanguard: this card is not new Oct 30 15:13:29 and pcmcia:mD601c0005f06fn00pfn00pa*pb*pc*pd* hostap_cs Oct 30 15:13:32 covers it Oct 30 15:13:34 vanguard: new? You've got 802.11g CF? Oct 30 15:13:36 Siemens Connect2AIR Oct 30 15:14:32 dcordes: yes Oct 30 15:15:05 hrw: So you add this into, and release a new package, right ? Oct 30 15:16:47 vanguard: your 802.11b card is normally handled already Oct 30 15:16:50 http://www.livingston.de/index.php?2078&backPID=3896&tt_products=3379 that one? Oct 30 15:17:02 dcordes: sorted it Oct 30 15:17:18 hrw: So ist was handled wrong, before ? Oct 30 15:19:06 XorA: want me to test new file? Oct 30 15:19:15 sd is inserted right now Oct 30 15:19:52 dcordes: yes, download same file again Oct 30 15:20:49 hrw: This would explain, why this card is now not getting so hot any more. Oct 30 15:22:59 can't you guys make nano standard editor within angstrom? Oct 30 15:23:21 I'm always missing it after reflash Oct 30 15:23:24 nano suxx Oct 30 15:23:30 * dcordes doesn't like vi Oct 30 15:23:36 vi roxx Oct 30 15:23:45 dcordes: just reflash only the kernel ! Oct 30 15:23:48 I tried it with vigor :D but didn't help :( Oct 30 15:23:51 dcordes: you said that "bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel" works for you? Oct 30 15:24:06 Zero_Chaos: helas Oct 30 15:24:08 yes it did Oct 30 15:24:22 dcordes: altboot now functions for me booting from SD Oct 30 15:26:49 Zero_Chaos: hostap has already been fixed for 2.6.23 between Oct 30 15:29:32 XorA: it is recognizing and mounting SD but write protected only :( Oct 30 15:30:04 I will recheck with my udev hack to see whether it's the sd or not Oct 30 15:30:19 dcordes: hostap was already fixed? how? Oct 30 15:30:45 dcordes: flip the switch on the SD card ;-) Oct 30 15:30:51 I don't know. Took it from the conversations here Oct 30 15:30:57 Zero_Chaos: grr Oct 30 15:31:12 didn't try my prism yet Oct 30 15:31:52 Tosa patchset merged Oct 30 15:31:55 dcordes: I read the bug, hostap was not enabled, likely an accident Oct 30 15:32:21 hrw: do you want to ask for testers on the mls? Oct 30 15:35:31 XorA: ok it is working Oct 30 15:35:45 dcordes: woowoo, what was wrong? Oct 30 15:35:48 will you commit so I can close oebug3007? Oct 30 15:35:55 sd switch. Oct 30 15:36:07 Ill close the bug when I commit Oct 30 15:36:34 well not quite the switch but rather the stickytape I put it in being garbled because there is no more pin Oct 30 15:36:49 koen: first have to test it on device Oct 30 15:37:06 XorA, koen thanks a lot for 3007 helping Oct 30 15:37:08 * XorA is trying to unbollox gsmd Oct 30 15:38:03 XorA: source or recipe? Oct 30 15:38:08 recipe Oct 30 15:39:34 rm -rf *gsmd* gets a few more files than I meant :-) Oct 30 15:40:27 XorA: did you notice altboot files hanging out unsorted in /etc? Oct 30 15:40:39 would be ne nice to have them in /etc/altboot/ Oct 30 15:40:48 dcordes: yup, take that up with Coredump Oct 30 15:48:00 XorA: btw how come that mknod thing differed between 2.6.21 and 2.6.22+? Oct 30 15:48:29 its not mknod but device node numbers Oct 30 15:48:42 dcordes: just fyi, you can close bugs too. You don't have to ask others to do it. Oct 30 15:50:13 that's why I asked if I may close it :p Oct 30 15:50:26 16:35 < dcordes> will you commit so I can close oebug3007? Oct 30 15:50:59 alright alright, my bad Oct 30 15:51:00 :-) Oct 30 15:54:14 be back Oct 30 15:54:28 dcordes: Did you fix it ???? Oct 30 15:55:26 dcordes: as long as fix is not in OE bug is open Oct 30 15:57:21 hrw: yea XorA said he will close it on commit Oct 30 15:57:32 vanguard: you mean altboot? XorA did. Oct 30 15:58:00 did somebody notice usb0 block the routing when you up another interface? Oct 30 15:58:04 I have to ifdown usb0 first. Oct 30 15:58:18 dcordes: I mean altboot, yes. You both did ! Congrats to you ! Wow !!! Oct 30 15:58:43 also thank koen. He was the first to react on 3007 ;) Oct 30 15:58:57 I'm also very happy to be booting sd again Oct 30 15:59:26 dcordes: But you gave the input with udev. Anyway, it was a community-fix ! Oct 30 16:00:04 Must I upgrade some package, or can I change it manually ? Oct 30 16:02:06 don't know wheter it is commited yet or not Oct 30 16:03:05 if you can't wait replace /etc/altboot.func inside your flash with http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/altboot.func , remove the udev hack, reboot Oct 30 16:06:19 dcordes: #3007 is slammed shut Oct 30 16:16:26 Just a question besides relating to dhcp: When staring dhclient, is dhcp first seeking a router, or is it looking below /var/cache/dhcp.leases and polling the IP, which is named in there ? Oct 30 16:17:55 XorA: babammmmm Oct 30 16:18:12 * dcordes handclap Oct 30 16:19:21 vanguard: I'm not 100% positive but I think dhclient does not do anything wireless specific. That is only set with iwconfig and in /etc/network/interfaces. Interfaces wireless settings are called with "ifup" Oct 30 16:19:25 vanguard: I do not start dhcp clients by hand Oct 30 16:19:50 hrw: No, normally not. Oct 30 16:20:14 hrw: But on my notebook it never sees an AP at boot ! Oct 30 16:20:38 vanguard: that's how I do it on akita: I put only "iface rausb0 inet dhcp" (or wlan0 in your case) into interfaces. I set all wireless settings with iwconfig. When that's set I request IP with ifup rausb0. Oct 30 16:20:46 Never. But when doing /etc/init.d/networking restart, it does. Oct 30 16:22:02 Starting dhclient, before /etc/init.d/network restart, it NEVER sees any AP. Oct 30 16:22:21 Bcause of this my auestioning.... Oct 30 16:22:26 questioning Oct 30 16:22:51 XorA: It is working !!! Great stuff !!!! Great work !!! Congrats !!! Oct 30 16:22:59 lol Oct 30 16:23:20 you must also thank hrw ^^ Oct 30 16:23:36 hrw: and koen did the lifting work, I just mangled the script Oct 30 16:23:50 XorA, dcordes , hrw , koen etc: It is working !!! Great stuff !!!! Great work !!! Congrats !!! Oct 30 16:23:56 :D Oct 30 16:23:57 no problem Oct 30 16:24:32 It was a real "community-fix" !! Oct 30 16:24:51 Working hand in hand. Linux-style live ! Oct 30 16:25:05 Great ! Oct 30 16:26:00 This would have been fixed in Microsoft at Patchday 30, Servicepack 4 , lol Oct 30 16:26:20 I thought similar thing earlier that day Oct 30 16:28:38 I wanted to express with it: Microsoft would have fixed this wide in the future. :) (if at all) Oct 30 16:30:05 Just to the dhcp-thing: It is not so, that dhcp first broadcasts with tpi/ip, then is looking into the dhcp.leases, then brodcasting again ? Oct 30 16:30:45 I coul not figure out, how dhcp really works, also google did not answer my questions. Oct 30 16:31:14 I severly doubt there will be any day some micrososft ran product that will be as stable as our akita with 2.6.23 on it. So the comparision is not really possible :D Oct 30 16:32:11 I do not think, if any OS will be as unstable as Microsofts OS. Oct 30 16:32:33 IMO there is no worse than Windows. Oct 30 16:33:02 Vista, just 1,6 GB OS ????? Oct 30 16:33:08 puh ! Oct 30 16:35:41 Yes that way it is projected better Oct 30 16:36:35 2 errors at 1000 lines code is default. Oct 30 16:36:58 Yes, protection from buying it, yes, yes...... Oct 30 16:37:02 :) Oct 30 16:37:26 I do not use unfree software. Oct 30 16:37:54 I am happy, altboot is working now !!! Really great ! Oct 30 16:53:35 * dcordes sings the altboot song Oct 30 16:53:41 ^^ Oct 30 16:54:33 that song sounds pretty gay Oct 30 16:55:30 Does USB host work on Zaurus with latest Angstrem? I can't get it to work, but I'm not sure the cable is the right one (just bought it) Oct 30 16:57:00 rmmod -f `lsmod | grep g_*` Oct 30 16:57:09 mode probe ohci_hcd Oct 30 16:57:12 damnit Oct 30 16:57:17 modprobe not mode probe Oct 30 16:57:19 LoL Oct 30 16:57:44 do I have to rmmod g_ether really? Oct 30 16:57:57 I thought USB device and USB host are unrelated devices Oct 30 16:58:10 usb-ohci is loaded btw Oct 30 16:58:49 from what I hear, yes, you really need to remove it. Oct 30 16:59:04 hmm let me reboot and try Oct 30 16:59:26 if you reboot it will reset what you have done Oct 30 16:59:35 I know :) but it locked up Oct 30 16:59:39 fair enough Oct 30 17:02:57 no luck :( Oct 30 17:03:10 device not accepting adress XXX error -62 Oct 30 17:03:13 if no device in cable Oct 30 17:03:18 and silence if device is inserted Oct 30 17:03:52 dunno, that worked for me last I tried. Oct 30 17:25:19 Zero_Chaos: propably Oct 30 17:34:02 hy Oct 30 17:35:08 somebody? Oct 30 17:51:54 NeverGone: somebody what? Oct 30 17:59:26 NeverGone: let me read your mind: needeth help with h3900 Oct 30 18:15:15 dcordes: yes... :) Oct 30 18:18:17 conclude...? Oct 30 18:38:01 dcordes_: yes, i have a problem with installing angstrom in h3900 Oct 30 19:33:25 hi Oct 30 19:37:53 hi dcordes_ Oct 30 19:41:15 hi mimecar Oct 30 19:41:38 NeverGone: sorry, I do not own any ipaq :( Oct 30 19:50:59 how many developers are compiling angstrom for akita? Oct 30 19:51:22 hi lumag Oct 30 19:51:30 hi Oct 30 19:52:36 hi all Oct 30 19:56:47 mimecar: I am not a developer but I am compiling angstrom for akita Oct 30 19:56:58 developer / compiler Oct 30 19:57:20 i don't know if i'll start a compilation for akita or collie (SL5500) Oct 30 19:57:35 why not both? Oct 30 19:58:24 both models will be a longer time Oct 30 19:59:49 evening xo Oct 30 19:59:54 xota: :P Oct 30 20:14:45 hi mimecar Oct 30 20:38:10 has anyone in here had problems un tar-ing the angstrom-install-kit on the poodle Oct 30 20:38:26 i haven't a poodle Oct 30 20:38:34 have you problems ? Oct 30 20:40:08 yeah i tryed to un pack the install kit from the termenal with no succes Oct 30 20:40:22 have you check MD5 sum ? Oct 30 20:40:51 how do you check the MD5 sum Oct 30 20:42:07 on linux md5sum file Oct 30 20:42:27 it will give you a text, then you must compare with md5file on website Oct 30 20:42:52 ok ill give that a try thanx Oct 30 21:07:55 by :) Oct 30 21:34:59 does zaurus sl-5600 suppoer sd cards over 1gig Oct 30 21:35:07 support ^ Oct 30 21:35:53 because i tryed to update to angstrom with my 2gig sandisk sd card and it would not reconize it Oct 30 21:36:09 kRiMe8: in angstrom mine does, but I can't flash from it Oct 30 21:37:08 ok im going to try to flash it from my one gig Oct 30 21:37:12 I use a 128MB CF card for updating Oct 30 21:37:55 i lost my cd card Oct 30 21:39:02 ok it works with the 1gig sd card Oct 30 21:39:20 I only have 2 gig cards :) Oct 30 21:40:21 me two i have 2 2giggers but i have a 1 gig for my gp2x so i just wipped it and prayed it work ed to flash Oct 30 21:40:53 i got an error thats says ERROR:flash write Oct 30 21:41:02 which image are you flashing? Oct 30 21:41:10 some of the testing ones are too big Oct 30 21:41:18 the x11 should work, along witht he console one Oct 30 21:41:25 xll-gpe Oct 30 21:41:38 yea, just use the x11 one Oct 30 21:42:18 does it have a gui? Oct 30 21:43:35 or do i have to built it on the machine? Oct 30 21:47:45 re Oct 30 21:48:12 kRiMe8: do you want install angstrom? Oct 30 21:48:22 yes Oct 30 21:49:18 what's the problem? Oct 30 21:49:56 well i tryed the x11-gpe and it was to big to flash so im going to try just the x11 build Oct 30 21:50:10 and i wanted to know if the x11 has a gui Oct 30 21:50:18 yes it has Oct 30 21:50:25 thank you Oct 30 21:50:34 x11 are designed for every pda Oct 30 21:50:39 you should have free space Oct 30 22:00:20 does anyone in here have a working 10/100 cf network adaptor working in angstrom Oct 30 22:01:07 kRiMe8: It'd be cheaper to find a USB nic, most likely Oct 30 22:01:39 i already got a socket cf one Oct 30 22:01:48 kRiMe8: only wifi and usb cable Oct 30 22:02:58 morning Oct 30 22:03:16 to flash Zaurus you need cf (any size) or sd (less then 1GB) Oct 30 22:03:20 hi hr Oct 30 22:03:43 hi hrw Oct 30 22:06:13 is there a way to crosscompile the old ne200 drive to angstrom, evryone iv asked says the drive is suppose to work with it Oct 30 22:06:32 ne200 = NE2000 Oct 30 22:06:32 is the driver inside kernel ? Oct 30 22:06:42 i dont know Oct 30 22:06:50 ill have to check it out Oct 30 22:06:55 ne2000 pcmcia cards are supported with pcnet_cs driver Oct 30 22:07:38 ok Oct 30 22:07:41 tight Oct 30 22:19:37 if your card does not work with it then I want 'pccardctl ident' output Oct 30 22:19:37 does the ambicom cd wifi work under angstrom Oct 30 22:19:43 cd = cf Oct 30 22:19:44 sure Oct 30 22:20:20 hostap_cs should auto load when that card is inserted Oct 30 22:20:25 i cant seem to get it to turn on Oct 30 22:21:07 ifconfig wlan0 up Oct 30 22:21:19 kRiMe8: rules number one when it comes to cf cards: show 'pccardctl ident' output Oct 30 22:21:27 Zero_Chaos: 'ifup wlan0' is shorter ;) Oct 30 22:21:44 hrw: it also some additional things... it is not the same Oct 30 22:22:22 ok Oct 30 22:23:30 in the termenal sh says the is no ifconfig command Oct 30 22:23:54 nevermind i forgot to shitch to root Oct 30 22:25:13 still nothing Oct 30 22:26:25 iwconfig work though Oct 30 22:26:26 look into dmesg? Oct 30 22:26:29 ifconfig -a Oct 30 22:27:37 it just shows the out put for lo Oct 30 22:47:58 Zero_Chaos: haha, the cable wiring was totally wrong! I re-soldered the mini-A end of the cable and now it works :) Oct 30 23:49:36 how do i initilize the usb network Oct 31 00:04:04 what is the pimlico build? Oct 31 00:49:13 is it possable to compile opie 1.2.3 with angstrom? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 31 02:59:57 2007