**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 01 02:59:57 2007 Nov 01 07:31:47 hi, all Nov 01 08:25:20 mickeyl: welcome back in europe Nov 01 08:25:37 thanks. it's much colder here :/ Nov 01 09:54:57 hrw: hi Nov 01 10:50:20 1748 root 20 0 21336 11m 2640 R 56.1 18.4 0:28.85 mplayer Nov 01 10:50:35 hmm, mplayer around 55% on spitz :-D Nov 01 10:50:45 thats a lot better Nov 01 10:51:03 XorA: watching pr0n again? Nov 01 10:51:11 what percentage did it do before that? Nov 01 10:51:24 90%+ Nov 01 10:51:41 before ssvb optimisations and some that went into ffmpeg Nov 01 10:51:42 -vo pxa or iwmmxt + ssvb magic? Nov 01 10:51:54 -vo pxa + iwmmxt + ssvb magic Nov 01 10:52:20 so I think with ssvb magic scaler we might even be able to play full size stuff Nov 01 10:53:59 do we need to bump SRCREV for mplayer to get all that magic? Nov 01 10:55:21 use 1.0rc2 Nov 01 10:56:00 is that in the feeds yet? Nov 01 10:56:06 Nov 01 10:56:10 I didnt put it there Nov 01 10:57:55 can be stolen from my machine :-) Nov 01 14:01:46 can somebody confirm http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3230 is fixed? Nov 01 14:03:40 it is in 2.6.23 Nov 01 14:07:49 hrw: could you check my last comment? Nov 01 14:07:54 It seems to not work for me Nov 01 14:08:43 your last comment is a different bug Nov 01 14:09:08 exactly Nov 01 14:09:11 koen: why? Nov 01 14:09:32 we have few bugs about wifi not loading or wrong loading Nov 01 14:10:02 dcordes: the bug is about hostap support missing which got added Nov 01 14:10:15 alright Nov 01 14:10:16 that the support isn't working is a different matter Nov 01 14:10:48 well the card worked in 2.6.22 Nov 01 14:10:51 dcordes: if you ave problem with cf card then ALWAYS add 'pccardctl ident' output Nov 01 14:11:07 or send me card Nov 01 14:11:19 ^^ let me check Nov 01 14:12:11 hrw: pccardctl ident output remains empty Nov 01 14:13:39 dcordes: "lsmod|grep cs" please Nov 01 14:14:44 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 Nov 01 14:14:50 that would be the right bug? Nov 01 14:15:06 dcordes: "lsmod|grep cs" Nov 01 14:15:17 hrw: also empty. as I mentioned in 3230 module doesn't load on card insert Nov 01 14:15:50 so you did not upgraded yet Nov 01 14:16:08 you need two kernel modules to get pcmcia working (pcmcia is in modules in 2.6.23) Nov 01 14:17:16 before installing them you will not have any cf card working Nov 01 14:18:03 hrw: yea I know: kernel-module-hostap and kernel-module-hostap-cs Nov 01 14:18:07 NO Nov 01 14:18:08 I have both installed Nov 01 14:18:10 you do not know Nov 01 14:18:17 :x Nov 01 14:18:30 then let me know please :) Nov 01 14:20:10 kernel-module-pxa2xx-cs and its deps Nov 01 14:20:21 kernel-module-pcmcia and its deps Nov 01 14:22:04 ok Nov 01 14:23:19 hrw: is pxa2xx-cs autoloaded? Nov 01 14:24:26 hrw: loading pxa2xx-cs made it work for me Nov 01 14:24:57 koen: yes Nov 01 14:28:52 hrw: why doesn't hostap-cs depend on those modules? Nov 01 14:29:24 iirc everything I needed before was hostap-cs Nov 01 14:29:38 because kernel modules does not have to depend on other modules to be loaded Nov 01 14:29:51 and thats the only dependencies whic can be generated Nov 01 14:30:15 hm I only know it worked before Nov 01 14:32:09 another thing: can I install pokylinux on top of console-image? Nov 01 14:33:20 no Nov 01 14:33:33 is it possible to build pokylinux for akita? Nov 01 14:33:52 it is built every day Nov 01 14:33:58 poky is schweeet bling Nov 01 14:34:33 where can I get it? Nov 01 14:34:59 your banned :-D Nov 01 14:35:01 dcordes: on PokyLinux website Nov 01 14:35:08 dcordes: you just need to read it Nov 01 14:35:08 too many difficult questions :-D Nov 01 14:35:08 http://pokylinux.org/releases/blinky-3.0/ here :D ? Nov 01 14:35:16 :( Nov 01 14:35:29 but it's 2.6.21 Nov 01 14:35:47 can't I build newer one? Nov 01 14:36:18 svn checkout poky tree and use it instead of OE three Nov 01 14:36:21 -h Nov 01 14:37:15 angstrom has pimlico and sato stuff in the feeds Nov 01 14:37:29 which is what most people mean when they say "pokylinux" Nov 01 14:37:32 koen: is that the poky ui? Nov 01 14:37:42 I would just like to try out the interface Nov 01 14:37:43 well Nov 01 14:37:48 it's the apps and the theme Nov 01 14:37:56 you can have both on angstrom as well Nov 01 14:38:06 nice Nov 01 14:38:16 yeah Nov 01 14:40:43 dcordes: look at nightly builds Nov 01 14:41:43 hrw: why does it use different tree but not OE? Nov 01 14:41:43 lrg: ping Nov 01 14:42:16 hey XorA Nov 01 14:42:44 dcordes: poky is "just" a streamlined OE. o-hand supports poky for customers. it is very hard to support the full OE, hence o-hand chose a subset. Nov 01 14:42:58 dcordes: because we (OpenedHand) want to have control on recipes and how they behave Nov 01 14:43:35 dcordes: over 90% of Poky recipes builds - it is hard to tell same about OE Nov 01 14:43:51 hrw: you offer paid support for customers? Nov 01 14:43:56 and our main targets builds every day from scratch Nov 01 14:44:00 I see Nov 01 14:44:05 dcordes: customers or companies? Nov 01 14:44:20 for OH companies == customers Nov 01 14:44:44 I read some openmoko interface stuff is OH stuff Nov 01 14:45:03 think I will try the akita image Nov 01 14:45:06 yep. O-Hand has contributed a lot to the platform. most of the UI is their work Nov 01 14:47:14 koen: I can't find pimlico or sato things in the angstrom feeds Nov 01 14:47:52 dcordes: I can Nov 01 14:48:39 is there a meta package for the pimlico applications? Nov 01 14:49:59 org.openembedded.dev/packages/pimlico recipes don't really build with current tree Nov 01 14:51:11 really? Nov 01 14:51:20 I do not see such bugreports Nov 01 14:52:45 I will make all if you tell me where I can find pimlico stuff in the feeds :) Nov 01 14:52:49 can't wait trying it Nov 01 14:54:22 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ -> 'ohand' -> search Nov 01 14:54:32 I was looking for 'pimlico'.. Nov 01 14:55:13 koen: does angstrom-ohand-task-pim also bring x11 depends? Nov 01 14:57:05 I'm installing from console-image Nov 01 15:01:23 XorA: any news on Xglamo since OEDEM? Nov 01 15:05:09 koen: no Nov 01 17:11:33 does ohand stuff has it's own enviornment or does it depend upon gpe? Nov 01 17:18:32 s/it's/its Nov 01 17:18:36 dcordes: its own Nov 01 17:19:17 XorA: how to start it? Nov 01 17:20:20 dcordes: no idea, they handed me a working c7x0 at GUADEC to play with, never built it myself Nov 01 17:20:35 oh, no I mean in angstrom, sorry Nov 01 17:20:59 no, idea Nov 01 17:21:22 * XorA uses zaurus for watching pr0n and surfing web Nov 01 17:21:27 not all this fancy stuff Nov 01 17:28:31 XorA: coukd you take a look at this http://www.pastebin.ca/757823 It's what's happening when I try to run xserver-nodm on akita to start OM session. Any idea what might be wrong/missing? have openmoko-today2 openmoko-session2 xserver-kdrive xserver-kdrive-common xserver-nodm Nov 01 17:28:55 X cursor on black ground appears and then kicks back to command line Nov 01 17:29:37 libiw is not found, neod is not found Nov 01 17:29:58 hmm, I think you are on an uphill struggle Nov 01 17:30:28 a what? Nov 01 17:30:49 neod is there but not libiw Nov 01 17:31:13 you can just install gpe and select the sato theme Nov 01 17:31:21 that should get you 90% of the looks Nov 01 17:31:41 you mean for poky purpose? Nov 01 17:32:12 with 'poky' you mean 'how the screenshots on the poky site look like'? Nov 01 17:32:38 yes I'm talking about the look and pim applications Nov 01 17:33:06 the green theme is called 'sato' and the collection if pim apps is called pimlico Nov 01 17:34:22 koen: ok. what in OE is providing 'libiw' ? Nov 01 17:34:50 * XorA suffers brain drain Nov 01 17:35:30 hmm, need 802.11g for zaurus Nov 01 17:36:20 brain drain==partied too hard yesterday? Nov 01 17:36:44 nah, we partied on real samhain Nov 01 17:36:47 heh Nov 01 17:37:03 I tell groucho to check his diff again and instead he rants about precious spare time Nov 01 17:38:11 XorA: that's the real-non-us-fake halloween? Nov 01 17:40:20 dcordes: yeah, where traditionally you get drunk. party, make loud noise all night to scare off the spirits Nov 01 17:41:50 which date is that? Nov 01 17:44:28 how nice Nov 01 17:44:40 now I have a huge digital clock on akita but screen rotation is completely garbled Nov 01 17:47:00 well if I got it right, it was friday through saturday Nov 01 17:48:03 hope you made a lot of noise Nov 01 17:48:20 openmoko-mediaplayer2 is nice# Nov 01 17:49:17 although I can't figure how to add up stuff to the playlist Nov 01 17:49:19 dcordes: wireless-tools Nov 01 17:49:43 mickeyl: hm? Nov 01 17:50:00 koen: ok. what in OE is providing 'libiw' ? Nov 01 17:50:03 answer: wireless-tools Nov 01 17:50:27 ah thanks. I installed ipk 'libiw29' Nov 01 17:50:40 yep. that one gets emitted by wireless-tools Nov 01 17:50:47 ~lart dlopen() Nov 01 17:51:52 ~lart linux and wireless altogether, such a pile of turd Nov 01 17:52:08 won't that be improved with the new wlan stack? Nov 01 17:52:22 that's what they said 3 stacks ago Nov 01 17:52:27 heh, right Nov 01 17:53:53 until every wireless driver writer stops re-inventing the wheel it will never be fixed Nov 01 17:54:38 and people stop adding massive regressions in the drivers Nov 01 17:55:48 and people wonder why companies use windows, it takes microsoft 10 years to add massive regressions, linux a couple of weeks :-) Nov 01 17:56:05 somebody has an idea why screen rotation is completey fscked up on akita with xserver-kdrive and openmoko-today2? Nov 01 17:57:20 sounds like it asked X for the wrong set of values, or assumed it was on a neo Nov 01 17:57:52 I tried the same a few weeks ago- no problems Nov 01 17:58:15 dcordes: file a bug with screen shot Nov 01 17:58:18 it's not that fscked. just inverted Nov 01 17:58:50 dcordes: must assume 640x480@90, not 640x480@270 that akita actually is Nov 01 17:59:24 how can I figure out? Nov 01 17:59:52 when akita lid is opened, you got 90° rotation to the left Nov 01 18:00:11 dcordes: which is actually 270 degrees to right Nov 01 18:00:45 or vice versa Nov 01 18:00:54 90° regarded from the usual landscape view Nov 01 18:00:59 (the way it should be) Nov 01 18:01:06 same with closed lid Nov 01 18:01:11 you know what I mean? Nov 01 18:01:45 dcordes: look at /etc/X11/Xserver and you will see the real values Nov 01 18:02:10 dcordes: it may be 90degrees one way, but X treats it as 270 the other Nov 01 18:03:03 anyway I am off shopping for food Nov 01 18:03:18 "SHARP Spitz" | "SHARP Akita" | "SHARP Borzoi") Nov 01 18:03:18 ARGS="$ARGS -dpi 200 -rgba rgb -screen ${SCREEN_SIZE}@270" ;; Nov 01 18:03:33 that's what I'm looking for? Nov 01 18:03:52 XorA|gone: l80rz Nov 01 18:18:52 mickeyl: can you help me with that screen rotation on akita with openmoko-today2? Nov 01 18:19:12 no, sorry. all my zauruses are gathering dust since 1 year Nov 01 18:19:19 I tried different values for ${SCREEN_SIZE}@270" Nov 01 18:19:23 is that the right thing to look at? Nov 01 18:19:46 screen is just turned left 90° Nov 01 18:21:25 ya, the @foo specifies the rotation Nov 01 18:25:05 mickeyl: it seems to have no effect, no matter what I put Nov 01 18:26:00 that's unfortunate. kdrive 1.3? Nov 01 18:28:09 don't know which version Nov 01 18:28:16 installed xserver-kdrive from the angstrom repos Nov 01 18:31:07 ipkg status xserver-kdrive Nov 01 18:32:27 mickeyl: Version: 1:1.3.0.0-r19 Nov 01 18:32:37 looks good Nov 01 18:32:44 try calling the xserver manually with some options Nov 01 18:33:20 what options? Nov 01 18:35:06 the same as the xserver script would pass Nov 01 18:35:14 just to eliminate some potential failures Nov 01 18:35:17 and to see output Nov 01 18:47:55 hm I have no idea what to put there Nov 01 20:18:55 Hi there Nov 01 21:33:59 hi Nov 01 23:27:10 hi all Nov 01 23:27:16 hi DaedalusX Nov 01 23:27:22 what's up? Nov 01 23:27:42 testing angstrom Nov 01 23:30:11 mimeca1, how's it working out for you? Nov 01 23:30:46 on my akita works ok Nov 01 23:30:53 on collie i have some problems Nov 01 23:32:16 i must reboot Nov 01 23:34:43 could anyone tell me how I upgrade the kernel on my akita? I remember reading about it somewhere... do I just stick all of the stuff to reflash my zaurus on the CF card, minus the actual root filesystem file? Nov 01 23:34:46 and let it flash? Nov 01 23:55:54 anybody? Nov 01 23:56:43 DaedalusX: flash only kernel Nov 01 23:56:56 re Nov 01 23:57:17 just like normal install but without initrd.bin file Nov 01 23:57:36 * hrw|gone -> sleep Nov 01 23:57:54 hrw|gone, alright, that's what I thought Nov 01 23:57:55 thanks :) Nov 01 23:59:52 hrw|gone: how can save log messages of bootup ? Nov 02 00:00:25 mimecar: normal or kernel ones? Nov 02 00:00:32 both Nov 02 00:00:39 i've bootup angstrom on collie Nov 02 00:00:42 move syslog starting? Nov 02 00:00:45 and i would like save messages Nov 02 00:00:58 I would connect serial cable to grab kernel stuff Nov 02 00:02:42 serial cable on zaurus port? Nov 02 00:04:24 yes Nov 02 00:04:49 it looks i need an adaptor Nov 02 00:05:27 hi all Nov 02 00:05:34 hi dcordes Nov 02 00:05:48 hey mime. already flashed 2.6.23? Nov 02 00:05:53 hrw|gone: task to build minimal-image and console-image are different? Nov 02 00:06:05 dcordes: flashing 2.6.21 on collie (sl5500) Nov 02 00:08:38 minimal is very small compared to console one Nov 02 00:08:43 * hrw|gone really to sleep Nov 02 00:08:53 night hrw|gone Nov 02 00:08:54 see you during my day (01:09 here) Nov 02 00:09:05 also here :P Nov 02 00:09:12 hrw|gone: sleep well Nov 02 00:09:37 if i run a minimal-image, system finds cf but it doesn't mount it Nov 02 00:09:44 with console do it Nov 02 00:09:59 at least, i can boot system and work with cf Nov 02 00:10:49 mimecar: that is because the minimal image has no module Nov 02 00:11:10 interesting Nov 02 00:11:12 thanks :) Nov 02 00:11:31 compare the sizes of the images Nov 02 00:11:42 10 and 14 i think Nov 02 00:15:02 sleep time Nov 02 00:15:05 night all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 02 02:59:57 2007