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Nov 02 10:29:17 <hrw> I sent mail with request for testing new kernels
Nov 02 11:08:26 <vanguard> Hello all.
Nov 02 11:10:03 <vanguard> hrw: Did you find out, how to use the hostap-driver for Siemens Connet2air CF-1100 cards ? It is still loading and using the orinoco drivers.
Nov 02 11:10:27 <hrw> vanguard: its d601,0005 card?
Nov 02 11:10:29 <vanguard> The orinoco drivers are running, but hostap is running fine, too. 
Nov 02 11:11:10 <vanguard> Hmm, lspci is not working.
Nov 02 11:11:17 <hrw> lcpcmcia you mean?
Nov 02 11:11:51 <vanguard> lspci I mean, sry,lspcmcia is correvct. Ma fault.
Nov 02 11:12:08 <vanguard> Bus ID is 0:0
Nov 02 11:12:24 <vanguard> Wait
Nov 02 11:12:40 <koen> the zaurus has no pci
Nov 02 11:12:42 <vanguard> The card is 0xd601
Nov 02 11:12:54 <vanguard> card_id is 0x0005
Nov 02 11:13:08 <vanguard> This is, what you meant ?
Nov 02 11:13:31 <hrw> yes
Nov 02 11:13:33 <vanguard> koen: Ah, thanks !
Nov 02 11:13:46 * hrw -> cpu upgrade
Nov 02 11:42:27 <zap> What package hciconfig is in? I can't find it
Nov 02 11:43:48 <XorA> bluez-legacy or something like that
Nov 02 11:50:20 <vanguard> Managed it ! Uninstalling the orinoco-modules let it use the hostap-cs again. But this would not explain, why it choose orinoco instead of hostap. 
Nov 02 11:51:07 <vanguard> Hostap is the required driver (as I googled), but both went fine. Strange ! All configurations seem be correct.
Nov 02 11:52:48 <vanguard> However, it is working now and not worth a bugreport. But it is strange anyway..... 
Nov 02 11:57:37 <zap> XorA: bluez-util-compat, thank you
Nov 02 12:02:12 <koen> hrw|gone: might be worthwile to post to -users about the new kernels as well
Nov 02 12:16:21 <hrw> sent
Nov 02 12:21:57 <vanguard> hrw: Did you read my posting here ? Just forget about my problem, managed it myself.
Nov 02 12:25:31 <hrw> workarounded you mean
Nov 02 12:25:54 <vanguard> Yes, I found no reason for the behaviour.
Nov 02 12:26:06 <vanguard> So I did, what I had to do.
Nov 02 12:28:26 <vanguard> All things pointed to hostap: The addresses, the configurations, the enntries, and so there was obviously no reason, why it should not use hostap. But it doesn't, it was still using orinoco. So I just deinstalled orinoco.
Nov 02 12:29:16 <dcordes> moin
Nov 02 12:29:24 <vanguard> moin dcordes 
Nov 02 12:34:03 <dcordes> vanguard: did you have to intsall extra stuff in order to make compact flash work?
Nov 02 12:34:33 <dcordes> like described here? http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236
Nov 02 12:34:44 <vanguard> Huh, what do you mean ? Memory cadrs ?
Nov 02 12:34:53 <dcordes> no wifi, cf
Nov 02 12:36:34 <vanguard> Just read.... No, but my problem is similar: It is always using orinoco, when the kernel-module-orinoco is installed. 
Nov 02 12:36:52 <dcordes> I thought you fixed it, removing orinoco?
Nov 02 12:37:05 <vanguard> As my card is working with both (hostap and orinoco), my card is always working.
Nov 02 12:37:26 <vanguard> Yes, removing orinoco let me use hostap again.
Nov 02 12:37:36 <vanguard> Just a workaround. :)
Nov 02 12:39:50 <vanguard> But I think, the above bugreport describes it, although it is showing (relating to my hardware) some other results.
Nov 02 12:40:08 <vanguard> But I think, the above bugreport describes it, although it is showing (relating to my hardware) some other results. correctly.
Nov 02 12:42:45 <ABC|dOC> helo all
Nov 02 12:43:50 <vanguard> Hi ABC|dOC 
Nov 02 12:47:44 <vanguard> dcordes: I read about this problem in an Ubuntu-forum. They simply blacklisted the orinoco-modules.
Nov 02 12:50:55 <hrw> we cant blacklist orinoco
Nov 02 12:51:10 <hrw> there are cards which works only with orinoco
Nov 02 12:51:38 <vanguard> hrw: Yes, I know. They use an entry in /etc/hotplug/blacklisted
Nov 02 12:52:58 <vanguard> hrw: Deinstalling them is doing the same. As I read, this behaviour is forced directly by the kernel and cannot be changed (or you have to build a new kernel)
Nov 02 12:53:48 <vanguard> hrw: It already known. Maybe I did not notice it yet, because I did not install the orinoco-modules before.
Nov 02 12:54:37 <vanguard> hrw: So, IMO this is no real bug, so I would not worry about it.
Nov 02 12:56:37 <zap> Is it a good idea to create a swap partition on the built-in HDD of Zaurus C3x00?
Nov 02 12:56:44 <zap> Or it will kill the flash quickly?
Nov 02 13:10:13 <hrw> zap: it is not flash but mechanical hdd
Nov 02 15:08:48 <zap> hrw: yes, but I was going to replace it with a 16Gb compact flash card
Nov 02 15:08:57 <zap> sorry forgot to mention about it
Nov 02 15:14:07 <hrw> flash card and swap is not good combo
Nov 02 15:14:15 <hrw> zap: do you have that card already?
Nov 02 15:15:43 <zap> not yet but was going to buy one
Nov 02 15:16:03 <zap> but with 64Mb RAM even gimp 2.4 doesn't work too well, quickly crashes with not enough memory
Nov 02 15:19:29 <zap> I can see that a typical cf card has about 1.000.000 write cycles, interesting how many writes to swap there are
Nov 02 15:22:17 <hrw> koen: ping
Nov 02 15:23:46 <andieh> which is the most stable image for my hp hx4700?
Nov 02 15:24:10 <zap> I would assume the latest :)
Nov 02 15:25:07 <hrw> I would try latest
Nov 02 15:25:10 <andieh> hmm just installed it and after the first reboot either insmod nor sound work :)
Nov 02 15:25:20 <hrw> and report everything not working into bugtracker
Nov 02 15:25:28 <andieh> i take http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/hx4700/20071002/Angstrom-x11-pimlico-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071002-hx4700.rootfs.jffs2
Nov 02 15:25:42 <andieh> maybe i try another one
Nov 02 15:26:18 <andieh> and is there a good mediaplayer available for angstrom?
Nov 02 15:26:24 <andieh> which plays mp3s and videos?
Nov 02 15:27:41 <zap> as far as I know - no
Nov 02 15:28:13 <zap> perhaps one day something from Maemo or OpenMoco will be ported to Angstrom
Nov 02 15:28:20 <hrw> ported?
Nov 02 15:28:29 <hrw> OpenMoko base on Angstrom
Nov 02 15:28:30 <zap> ok, included in the build :)
Nov 02 15:28:40 <zap> on OpenEmbedded
Nov 02 15:28:55 <andieh> ?
Nov 02 15:29:36 <zap> mplayer works more or less ok but it lacks a gui
Nov 02 15:29:53 <zap> and with a keyboardless devices that's a pita
Nov 02 15:30:18 <andieh> zap, youre damn right
Nov 02 15:30:39 <andieh> why isnt there anything?
Nov 02 15:31:03 <zap> because nobody is interested in doing this task
Nov 02 15:31:31 <andieh> hmmm
Nov 02 15:32:00 <andieh> i have the choice between opie (mediaplayer, but no wireless) and gpe (wireless but no mediaplayer)
Nov 02 15:32:02 <zap> first, somebody has to find a good player that fits well with handhelds
Nov 02 15:32:20 <zap> and second, somebody has to write a bitbake recipe for building and packaging it
Nov 02 15:32:35 <zap> I want to try someday to port MortPlayer to linux
Nov 02 15:32:47 <zap> its one of the best pocket audio players imho
Nov 02 15:33:00 <andieh> hmm okee
Nov 02 15:33:49 <zap> bb all, going home
Nov 02 15:34:15 <andieh> hmm anyone here who has an wm5 image for an hx4700?
Nov 02 15:34:18 <andieh> :)
Nov 02 15:36:43 <andieh> HMM
Nov 02 15:37:16 <hrw> there was a time when I wanted to have hx4700..
Nov 02 15:37:52 <andieh> i have one :)
Nov 02 15:38:02 <andieh> but only with windows mobile 3
Nov 02 15:38:11 <andieh> but i just want to have a mediaplayer
Nov 02 15:38:14 <hrw> you mean pocketpc 2003?
Nov 02 15:38:55 <andieh> äähh yes
Nov 02 15:39:47 <andieh> i installed angstrom this morning
Nov 02 15:41:05 <andieh> but i think i will use windoze again. 
Nov 02 15:58:23 <koen_> hrw: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24987&pid=170519&st=0&#entry170519
Nov 02 16:03:08 <hrw> koen: my kernels fit
Nov 02 16:03:17 <hrw> linux-rp contain size check
Nov 02 16:05:52 <koen> I know :)
Nov 02 16:07:46 <andieh> hi again. buggy beryl, sorry
Nov 02 16:10:18 <andieh> so, has anyone of you a dd image of your old wm5 for an hp hx4700?
Nov 02 16:23:49 <XorA> doesnt handhelds.org have a collection of legally dubious wm images?
Nov 02 16:24:31 <andieh> u lets try it
Nov 02 16:25:48 <andieh> do you know where to find it?
Nov 02 16:28:01 <hrw> google knows?
Nov 02 16:28:15 <XorA> I try and avoid criminals
Nov 02 16:31:07 <XorA> google seems to know how to install wm5 upgrade that is on HP's site :-)
Nov 02 16:33:06 <andieh> hmm nice!
Nov 02 16:33:36 <andieh> okee you got me, i never had wm5 installed before :)
Nov 02 16:33:38 <andieh> pff
Nov 02 16:38:57 <XorA> well WM upgrades tend to be the full flash image, so you can do a sneaky, trick it into thinking wm5 is already there then install the upgrade
Nov 02 16:41:39 <andieh> hmm ok, but i dont have wm5 upgrade :D
Nov 02 17:51:00 <Furre> I saw the Akita was getting supported again, is there any chance we're going to be able to install apps to an SD card in the feature? :)
Nov 02 18:30:03 <mimecar> hi
Nov 02 18:31:49 <pH5> hi mimecar
Nov 02 18:33:36 <mimecar> evening pH5
Nov 02 18:34:23 <koen> mimecar: why don't you want to work with the angstrom developers on the spanish stuff?
Nov 02 18:34:38 <koen> why do you insist of going behind their backs?
Nov 02 18:34:49 <mimecar> with the mailing list?
Nov 02 18:35:14 <koen> with everything
Nov 02 18:35:21 <mimecar> i don't know if there're another developers
Nov 02 18:35:22 <koen> the lists, the linuxtogo project, etc
Nov 02 18:36:11 <koen> I thought that was made clear when the linuxtogo project was rejected for the first time
Nov 02 18:36:25 <koen> the rejections message said you should contact the angstrom developers
Nov 02 18:36:29 <koen> which you didn't do
Nov 02 18:36:49 <mimecar> koen: i didn't create the project on ltg
Nov 02 18:37:07 <mimecar> i haven't read the email
Nov 02 18:38:10 <mimecar> koen: have you a copy of the email ?
Nov 02 18:38:37 <koen> I haven't
Nov 02 18:38:37 <pH5> hey koen
Nov 02 18:38:42 <koen> hey pH5 
Nov 02 18:38:59 <mimecar> ok, then i ask my friend with the email content
Nov 02 18:39:31 <koen> I still don't get why you need that linuxtogo project
Nov 02 18:39:52 <koen> you would have gotten an account on the angstrom server if you had just *asked*
Nov 02 18:39:54 <mimecar> we only need a website for the files and feeds
Nov 02 18:40:05 <mimecar> that's a error of mine
Nov 02 18:40:44 <koen> I'd advice you to ask for an account for the angstrom site, use the angstrom feeds (according to the rules) and close the ltg project
Nov 02 18:40:48 <mimecar> with the test we're doing it's no secure upload files to the official server
Nov 02 18:40:57 <koen> the word "needless duplication" comes to mind
Nov 02 18:41:02 <mimecar> ok
Nov 02 18:41:40 <mimecar> koen: account from angstrom-distribution web?
Nov 02 18:42:01 <koen> web, feeds, image, all of it
Nov 02 18:43:28 <mimecar> i only know website and mailing list
Nov 02 18:43:38 <mimecar> is all the information on the wiki?
Nov 02 18:46:03 <mimecar> koen: we have a previous console image for collie
Nov 02 18:46:12 <mimecar> must i upload it ?
Nov 02 18:52:34 <koen> mimecar: send a mail to the angstrom-distro-devel list with what you want to do and someone will reply with instructions
Nov 02 18:53:34 <mimecar> is the original mail hide on the mailing list ?
Nov 02 18:53:40 <mimecar> ie, for avoid spam
Nov 02 18:53:52 <koen> dunno
Nov 02 18:55:15 <pH5> mimecar: hidden? no, see the archives.
Nov 02 18:56:36 <mimecar> more or less is hidding
Nov 02 19:11:40 <koen> XorA: I get the white screen with -vo pxa as well on my moto a780
Nov 02 19:15:18 <mimecar> mail send
Nov 02 19:15:22 <mimecar> hi summatusmentis
Nov 02 19:17:52 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Nov 02 19:22:51 <mimecar> koen: i've send a presentation message with the things we have
Nov 02 19:40:53 <mimeca1> re
Nov 02 19:56:56 <XorA> koen: oddness, well its obvious that Tim and I are the only pr0n viewers allowed by pxa
Nov 02 21:43:41 <mimecar> re
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