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Nov 10 10:34:37 <MWelchUK> Hey guys. I've installed Angstrom on my iPaq, but the buttons don't seem to be working. I have a little kernel experience and am guessing that the kernel just doesn't have up to date support for them. Any pointers?
Nov 10 10:39:26 <MWelchUK> It's an H5550, the kernel is 2.6.21-hh16, Angstrom 2007.9-test-20070917
Nov 10 10:51:17 <eekee> the buttons are normally captured by a machine-specific daemon I believe
Nov 10 10:52:42 <eekee> or it may be tskeys, that's what's running on my zaurus
Nov 10 11:00:38 <MWelchUK> Ah, OK, cheers.
Nov 10 11:00:46 <MWelchUK> I'll look into that.
Nov 10 11:01:14 <eekee> k yw
Nov 10 11:02:23 <MWelchUK> BTW: Which tree should I pull from OE?
Nov 10 11:08:55 <eekee> I didn't even know there was more than one, myself
Nov 10 11:12:35 <MWelchUK> well, I'm used to using org.openembedded.dev - though I thought there might be a Angstrom specific one?
Nov 10 11:20:20 <eekee> oh, no afaik there isn't
Nov 10 11:27:07 <MWelchUK> Ah - found the official docs. (sorry)
Nov 10 11:33:45 <eekee> ok np
Nov 10 11:34:06 <MWelchUK> Agh! Ubuntu has mtn 0.31!
Nov 10 11:35:29 <eekee> yeah, you have to have the right version of mtn, and the right version of the database that the right version of mtn wants. 
Nov 10 11:35:55 <MWelchUK> The one on the OE site doesn't work...
Nov 10 11:36:15 <eekee> personally I won't touch mtn for that reason, not out of choice
Nov 10 11:36:38 <MWelchUK> Is there another option?
Nov 10 11:37:34 <eekee> I don't think so
Nov 10 11:39:00 <MWelchUK> Hmm, set up a new DB and pull the entire thing...
Nov 10 11:39:32 <MWelchUK> It's going to take a while, but I'm not breaking my package management...
Nov 10 11:39:52 <eekee> ya
Nov 10 11:42:49 <eekee> hv3 got no tabs nor new-window-on-shift-click
Nov 10 11:44:09 <eekee> oooh crud it's slow with big files! at least it does css though
Nov 10 11:45:16 <eekee> http://eekee.org.uk <-- big bg images
Nov 10 11:46:53 <eekee> oh it does do tabs... how do you open them?
Nov 10 12:54:16 <dino4k> Hi there
Nov 10 12:54:41 <dino4k> is there something similar to "dhclient" in angstron?
Nov 10 13:11:58 <CoreDump> dino4k: probably udhcpc
Nov 10 13:19:59 <dino4k> CoreDump: hm, seems not installed on my mashine :-/
Nov 10 13:20:37 <dino4k> oh sorry it is :D
Nov 10 13:20:39 <dino4k> thanks!
Nov 10 13:20:43 <CoreDump> ;) np
Nov 10 17:10:48 <dar-es-balat> i know this probably isnt 100% the right place, but can anyone give me a hand with netowkring my Z? ive got the usb and ethernet bridged, i can ssh into it form the host machine but try adn i mgiht i cant get the Z to conenct to the internet. anyone got any clues?
Nov 10 17:12:18 <dcordes_> dar-es-balat: propably shutdown other interfaces you don't need
Nov 10 17:12:44 <dar-es-balat> dcordes_: yeah, done that, on both the pc and the z
Nov 10 17:14:11 <dar-es-balat> dcordes_: i dnt think i understand what the "pointopoint" setting does if that helps...
Nov 10 17:14:14 <dcordes_> sorry, no idea then. never used usb net on z before
Nov 10 17:14:22 <dar-es-balat> dcordes_: how do you run it?
Nov 10 17:15:03 <dcordes_> compact flash 802.11b or usb 802.11g
Nov 10 17:15:13 <dar-es-balat> ahh yeah i got one of them but i couldnt get it to work
Nov 10 17:15:17 <dar-es-balat> did you do anythign special?
Nov 10 17:16:08 <dcordes_> I flashed my sl-c1000 with latest kernel and filesystem
Nov 10 17:16:17 <dcordes_> dar-es-balat: what do you run?
Nov 10 17:16:38 <dar-es-balat> dcordes_: i put on the latest angstrom x11 config yesterday
Nov 10 17:16:43 <dar-es-balat> on a C3200
Nov 10 17:17:04 <dcordes_> config? what you mean
Nov 10 17:17:10 <dar-es-balat> sory i mean distro
Nov 10 17:17:46 <dar-es-balat> i swear i have word dyslexia
Nov 10 17:18:06 <dcordes_> :) which one did you flash?
Nov 10 17:18:18 <dar-es-balat> umm
Nov 10 17:19:06 <dar-es-balat> i followed these isntructions http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/angstrom-installation-spitz
Nov 10 17:19:39 <dar-es-balat> ahh hang on
Nov 10 17:19:51 <dar-es-balat> all the duplicate wikis are confusing
Nov 10 17:20:27 <dar-es-balat> here we go i used the x11 install kit in this folder
Nov 10 17:20:30 <dar-es-balat> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071017/
Nov 10 17:21:12 <dcordes_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071017/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071017-spitz-installkit.tgz ?
Nov 10 17:21:17 <dcordes_> uname -r?
Nov 10 17:21:33 <dar-es-balat> 2.6.22
Nov 10 17:21:58 <dcordes_> did you notice the more recent build? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071024/
Nov 10 17:22:25 <dcordes_> do you know what chipset your cf is?
Nov 10 17:22:35 <dar-es-balat> yes, but no gui installer
Nov 10 17:22:52 <dar-es-balat> unfortuantely no. its a pretec wlan11b
Nov 10 17:22:59 <dar-es-balat> doesnt say much mroe than that
Nov 10 17:23:35 <dcordes_> could you do a modprobe pcmcia ?
Nov 10 17:24:10 <dar-es-balat> module not found
Nov 10 17:24:22 <dcordes_> see that's your problem
Nov 10 17:24:36 <dcordes_> you need to install kernel-module-pxa2xx-cs and its deps and kernel-module-pcmcia and its deps
Nov 10 17:24:41 <dar-es-balat> does the CF card show up as a pcmcia device then?
Nov 10 17:24:42 <dcordes_> then cf should work
Nov 10 17:24:57 <dcordes_> it usually was in the images- don't ask me why they removed it
Nov 10 17:25:01 <dar-es-balat> hmm ok
Nov 10 17:25:06 <dcordes_> quite a pain to get the modules on device w/o internet
Nov 10 17:25:10 <dar-es-balat> how do i go about doing that? :)
Nov 10 17:25:12 <dar-es-balat> ahhh
Nov 10 17:25:22 <dcordes_> you could scp the packages manually
Nov 10 17:25:27 <dar-es-balat> ok
Nov 10 17:25:30 <dar-es-balat> where do i ge them from?
Nov 10 17:25:30 <dcordes_> install them via ssh
Nov 10 17:25:42 <dcordes_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
Nov 10 17:26:00 <dcordes_> I hope somebody will drop in being able to tell you how to fix your usbnet
Nov 10 17:26:14 <dcordes_> there are plenty zaurus users idleing :D
Nov 10 17:26:19 <dar-es-balat> :D
Nov 10 17:27:05 <dar-es-balat> hmm i cant see the module
Nov 10 17:27:40 <dcordes_> typo?
Nov 10 17:27:41 <dcordes_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=kernel-module-pxa2xx-cs
Nov 10 17:28:17 <dcordes_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=kernel-module-pcmcia
Nov 10 17:28:22 <dar-es-balat> thanks, so... what do i do once ive donwlaoded it? ive never relly emssed with kernal stuff much
Nov 10 17:28:25 <dcordes_> remember that you need to match all dependencies
Nov 10 17:28:44 <dcordes_> you get them onto your spitz
Nov 10 17:29:07 <dcordes_> into one folder and do ipkg install balbala.ipk them
Nov 10 17:29:10 <dar-es-balat> cant help thinking there must be an easier way...
Nov 10 17:29:15 <dar-es-balat> ahhh ok
Nov 10 17:29:21 <dar-es-balat> so theyre just ipkgs?
Nov 10 17:29:26 <dcordes_> yep
Nov 10 17:29:31 <dcordes_> simple ipks.
Nov 10 17:29:48 <dar-es-balat> ahh
Nov 10 17:29:50 <dcordes_> ipkg will look for the dependencies so put them all into one dir and hit ipkg install *.ipk inside it
Nov 10 17:29:56 <dar-es-balat> in available versions at the bottom there isnt one for spitz
Nov 10 17:30:16 <dcordes_> take akita one.
Nov 10 17:30:20 <dar-es-balat> ok
Nov 10 17:30:32 <dcordes_> oh wait
Nov 10 17:30:37 <dcordes_> you have a different problem
Nov 10 17:30:45 <dcordes_> you run 2.6.22 and the modules there are 2.6.23
Nov 10 17:30:52 <dar-es-balat> ahhhhh
Nov 10 17:30:54 <dar-es-balat> lol
Nov 10 17:31:23 <dar-es-balat> hmmm
Nov 10 17:31:42 * dcordes_ slaps spitz mentor
Nov 10 17:32:07 <dar-es-balat> maybe
Nov 10 17:32:15 <dar-es-balat> if i put the latest console only version on
Nov 10 17:32:24 <dcordes_> yep you can do that
Nov 10 17:32:27 <dar-es-balat> loks like the .23 kernel
Nov 10 17:32:37 <dcordes_> yes it is. you cann install the gui later on
Nov 10 17:32:43 <dar-es-balat> is it realtively easy to put the GUI on from the console?
Nov 10 17:32:58 <dcordes_> yes there are meta packages containing all you need
Nov 10 17:33:03 <dar-es-balat> awesme
Nov 10 17:33:03 <dar-es-balat> hmm
Nov 10 17:33:35 <dar-es-balat> i guess i wont really lose anything ive not done anythign on it yet apart form faffin with /etc/netwrk/interfaces, heh
Nov 10 17:33:45 <dar-es-balat> and then when it works i need to get it to sync with kde... sigh
Nov 10 17:33:46 <dcordes_> k
Nov 10 17:33:59 <dcordes_> what you mean sync?
Nov 10 17:34:14 <dar-es-balat> i want it to sync addresses and calendar info
Nov 10 17:34:37 <dcordes_> oh no idea on pim stuff since I only use my celly for this
Nov 10 17:34:43 <dar-es-balat> yeahh
Nov 10 17:34:57 <dar-es-balat> well *thereticall* everythings ina  flat file and you just need to compare them
Nov 10 17:35:12 <dar-es-balat> thign is if gpe had all the pim software by defualt this wouldnt be a prob anyway, hehe
Nov 10 17:35:19 <dar-es-balat> its endless
Nov 10 17:35:34 <dcordes_> if you use pim a lot on your zaurus, try the new pimlico applications
Nov 10 17:35:42 <dar-es-balat> ahhhhhhh
Nov 10 17:35:47 <dar-es-balat> is that was that package is
Nov 10 17:35:58 <dcordes_> there _should_ be also an image called pimlico image for your device, already containing them
Nov 10 17:36:03 <dar-es-balat> there is yeah
Nov 10 17:36:11 <dar-es-balat> in that older folder thats .22 kernel
Nov 10 17:36:14 <dcordes_> yes with obsolete kernel
Nov 10 17:36:21 <dar-es-balat> maybe itll haev the appropriate progs on already?
Nov 10 17:36:35 <dcordes_> yes but you want 2.6.23
Nov 10 17:36:41 <dar-es-balat> i guess if i get usb networking up itll update the kernel tho?
Nov 10 17:37:04 <dcordes_> sorry I don't know. I reflash so often that I never noticed
Nov 10 17:37:10 <dcordes_> you could try though
Nov 10 17:37:11 <dar-es-balat> ahh ok
Nov 10 17:37:13 <dar-es-balat> hmm
Nov 10 17:37:25 <dar-es-balat> is there a meta package called pimlico or something i can install?
Nov 10 17:37:30 <dar-es-balat> from the .23 verison i mea
Nov 10 17:37:32 <dar-es-balat> n
Nov 10 17:37:34 <dcordes_> yep
Nov 10 17:37:38 <dar-es-balat> ahh awesome
Nov 10 17:37:39 <dcordes_> hold on
Nov 10 17:37:39 <dar-es-balat> well
Nov 10 17:37:41 <dar-es-balat> ok
Nov 10 17:38:57 <dcordes_> angstrom-ohand-task-pim
Nov 10 17:39:08 <dcordes_> ohand is for openhand, pimlico developers
Nov 10 17:39:50 <dar-es-balat> ok thats the package? cool
Nov 10 17:39:54 <dar-es-balat> wellllll
Nov 10 17:39:55 <dcordes_> yep
Nov 10 17:40:09 <dar-es-balat> this is assuming even if i get it working that the wireless card is compatable, lol
Nov 10 17:40:26 <dcordes_> I pretty much think it will
Nov 10 17:40:29 <dar-es-balat> ok cool
Nov 10 17:40:31 <dcordes_> since most 802.11b are prism
Nov 10 17:40:46 <dar-es-balat> well, im gonna take a quick brek before i start with reflashing, thanks so much for your help :)
Nov 10 17:40:56 <dcordes_> no problem at all
Nov 10 17:41:00 <dar-es-balat> biab
Nov 10 17:41:04 <dcordes_> yep see you
Nov 10 18:00:45 <dcordes_> dar-es-balat: I built a 20071110 x11 installkit for spitz. You like?
Nov 10 18:00:46 <dar-es-balat> ok
Nov 10 18:01:00 <dar-es-balat> yeah that sounds good :)
Nov 10 18:01:15 <dar-es-balat> i just installed the version of that thing
Nov 10 18:01:21 <dar-es-balat> and did modprobe pcmcia
Nov 10 18:01:21 <dcordes_> unfortunately I cannot upload to the images site
Nov 10 18:01:22 <dar-es-balat> and i get
Nov 10 18:01:36 <dar-es-balat> could not parse modules.dep
Nov 10 18:01:52 <dcordes_> when you try to modprobe it?
Nov 10 18:01:55 <dar-es-balat> yeah
Nov 10 18:02:06 <dcordes_> did you install all dependencies?
Nov 10 18:02:15 <dar-es-balat> ive listerally just flashed a new install
Nov 10 18:03:19 <dar-es-balat> should i put on those 2 packages you said?
Nov 10 18:03:21 <dcordes_> remember you need kernel-module-pxa2xx-cs and all its dependencies (they are shown on the repo site) and kernel-module-pcmcia and all its dependencies
Nov 10 18:03:26 <dcordes_> won't work w/o them.
Nov 10 18:03:27 <dar-es-balat> ok
Nov 10 18:03:57 <dar-es-balat> guess ill copy them via cf then?
Nov 10 18:04:48 <dcordes_> of course. why not
Nov 10 18:05:50 <dar-es-balat> hmm
Nov 10 18:05:55 <dar-es-balat> you know what teh device handle is?
Nov 10 18:06:08 <dar-es-balat> for the cf drive
Nov 10 18:06:10 <dcordes_> the what?
Nov 10 18:06:25 <dar-es-balat> to mount the cf card
Nov 10 18:06:34 <dar-es-balat> mount /dev/???
Nov 10 18:06:48 <dcordes_> checkout what "dmesg" says
Nov 10 18:07:01 <dcordes_> it should mention the device node being created after your insert your cf
Nov 10 18:07:16 <dar-es-balat> ahha, cant find a valid vfat filesystem... hmmmmmmm, ill try moutning it anyway
Nov 10 18:07:45 <dcordes_> stop 
Nov 10 18:07:48 <dar-es-balat> lol, df, doh
Nov 10 18:07:54 <dcordes_> you talking about mounting it on your machine?
Nov 10 18:08:02 <dcordes_> yea it's mounted automagically right?
Nov 10 18:08:08 <dar-es-balat> yeahh
Nov 10 18:08:10 <dcordes_> s/machines/spitz
Nov 10 18:08:37 <dcordes_> sorry have to go
Nov 10 18:08:38 <dcordes_> bbiab
Nov 10 18:08:41 <dar-es-balat> k
Nov 10 18:08:44 <dar-es-balat> ipkg not found :\
Nov 10 18:08:47 <dar-es-balat> thanksss
Nov 10 18:09:18 <dcordes_> try ipkg install 
Nov 10 18:09:21 <dcordes_> *.ipk
Nov 10 18:09:55 <dar-es-balat> yeah im getting ipkg: not found
Nov 10 18:09:58 <dar-es-balat> as in the program ipkg isnt found
Nov 10 18:09:59 <dar-es-balat> :\
Nov 10 18:15:03 <dar-es-balat> ok biab too ill check back :)
Nov 10 18:55:40 <dar-es-balat> back? :)
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