**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 11 02:59:57 2007
Nov 11 14:39:37 <childintime> hi...
Nov 11 14:40:46 <childintime> i have ipaq 3870 with outdated familiar flashed in..is there any chance to boot angtrom or flash it into?i have read that my model isnt well supported..
Nov 11 14:51:35 <childintime> nobody knows?
Nov 11 16:00:11 <daresbalat> hey ho
Nov 11 16:00:18 <daresbalat> dcordes, ya there? :)
Nov 11 16:01:26 <daresbalat> hmm dunno if anyone can help. ive just done a stock spitz install and wheneveri try and run ipkg it says "ipkg - not found"
Nov 11 16:01:34 <daresbalat> this doesnt seem like a good omen
Nov 11 16:06:01 <dcordes> daresbalat: yes
Nov 11 16:06:59 <dcordes> sounds to me like something went wrong flashing
Nov 11 16:07:20 <daresbalat> dcordes: ok, didnt get any errors
Nov 11 16:07:25 <dcordes> afaik the images are tested before being uploaded so I don't believe it is something with the image
Nov 11 16:07:26 <daresbalat> apart from somethign to dow ith the 3rd partition
Nov 11 16:07:30 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 16:07:34 <daresbalat> ill give it antoher try real quick
Nov 11 16:07:45 <daresbalat> how ya doing btw? :)
Nov 11 16:07:46 <dcordes> you could flash the image I built for you yesterday
Nov 11 16:07:51 <daresbalat> yeah cool!
Nov 11 16:08:09 <daresbalat> wanna email it to me? david@alliscalm.net
Nov 11 16:08:25 <dcordes> ah well I'm fscked up completely. Got wasted yesterday and had some trouble
Nov 11 16:08:34 <dcordes> wait let me have a look how big it is
Nov 11 16:09:11 <daresbalat> haha, i think thats what saturdays are for :)
Nov 11 16:10:09 <childintime>  i have ipaq 3870 with outdated familiar flashed in..is there any chance to boot angtrom or flash it into?i have read that my model isnt well supported..
Nov 11 16:10:17 <dcordes> not when you get into fights with good friends. That's not what they for
Nov 11 16:10:38 <daresbalat> ahh crap :\
Nov 11 16:10:39 <dcordes> install kit is 18mb
Nov 11 16:10:49 <daresbalat> you made up?
Nov 11 16:10:49 <dcordes> do you have icq/jabber?
Nov 11 16:11:03 <daresbalat> umm im at my parents so no
Nov 11 16:11:07 <daresbalat> you can email that tho if you can
Nov 11 16:11:11 <daresbalat> its a gmail account
Nov 11 16:11:13 <dcordes> think it's too big
Nov 11 16:11:37 <dcordes> I'm at gmx. Don't know if they send 17mb. Let me make a gmail account
Nov 11 16:11:47 <daresbalat> ahh
Nov 11 16:11:49 <dcordes> time for mainstream
Nov 11 16:11:51 <daresbalat> dont worry if its a faff
Nov 11 16:12:03 <daresbalat> if i can install the gui from the package manager its all good
Nov 11 16:12:18 <daresbalat> ive just had trouble with things like that before is all
Nov 11 16:13:55 <dcordes> I don't know how spitz flash works since akita has no hdd
Nov 11 16:14:25 <dcordes> google mail beta? doesn't gmail exist for ages
Nov 11 16:14:44 <daresbalat> wellllllllllll, yeah ive never seen a bug with it
Nov 11 16:14:56 <daresbalat> i guess its a conveinet gt out clause if anythign goes wrong
Nov 11 16:15:47 <daresbalat> yeah theres a guide to spitz ill find it
Nov 11 16:16:21 <daresbalat> http://openzaurus.berlios.de/Spitz/Install
Nov 11 16:16:23 <daresbalat> i used that
Nov 11 16:16:28 <dcordes> how can I put attatchments with my google mail?
Nov 11 16:16:40 <daresbalat> just under subject
Nov 11 16:16:43 <daresbalat> attach a file
Nov 11 16:18:16 <dcordes> Sending...
Nov 11 16:19:01 <daresbalat> :)
Nov 11 16:19:25 <daresbalat> gmail is real good for storage
Nov 11 16:19:42 <daresbalat> its likje 2gb now or something
Nov 11 16:21:05 <dcordes> bah
Nov 11 16:21:19 <dcordes> gmail says it does not like to send executable files
Nov 11 16:21:37 <daresbalat> crap
Nov 11 16:21:42 <daresbalat> rename the extension
Nov 11 16:21:48 <daresbalat> is it tar.gz?
Nov 11 16:21:54 <dcordes> yep
Nov 11 16:21:56 <daresbalat> how
Nov 11 16:21:57 <daresbalat> odd
Nov 11 16:22:18 <dcordes> I will upload to some host service
Nov 11 16:22:27 <daresbalat> id hardly desribe tgz as exectubale
Nov 11 16:22:43 <dcordes> it did check for contents obviously
Nov 11 16:22:48 <daresbalat> ahhhhh
Nov 11 16:22:59 <daresbalat> good point
Nov 11 16:29:14 <dcordes> daresbalat: http://rapidshare.com/files/68991627/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071110-spitz-installkit.tgz.html
Nov 11 16:30:53 <daresbalat> hehe i gotta wait a minute
Nov 11 16:31:02 <daresbalat> 2 secs
Nov 11 16:34:21 <vanguard> dcordes: Was it you, who tried to get the "@" in console ???
Nov 11 16:34:41 <vanguard> dcordes: Without X, I mean....
Nov 11 16:35:31 <vanguard> Someone needed it, but could not manage it. 
Nov 11 16:35:40 <dcordes> hey vanguard 
Nov 11 16:35:54 <dcordes> don't know. everything is fine at the moment with my akita
Nov 11 16:36:31 <vanguard> Anyway, I found it out: It is Shift + Fn + - (Minus)
Nov 11 16:38:13 <vanguard> dcordes: My akita is still not running, as it should. There are still some things not working.
Nov 11 16:38:37 <dcordes> you got bugs for them?
Nov 11 16:39:11 <vanguard> dcordes: I would, but I could not find the responsible application.
Nov 11 16:39:30 <vanguard> dcordes: i.e. one is, gpe-time is not working.
Nov 11 16:39:52 <vanguard> dcordes: It may be gpe-time or ntp or ntpdate.
Nov 11 16:40:14 <vanguard> dcordes: So it is not easy, to send a bugreport.
Nov 11 16:41:14 <vanguard> Another thing is, gpe-conf usb is still not working. It is not possible, to use akita as an "usb-stick".
Nov 11 16:41:29 <dcordes> there is a bug for the usb-stick thing
Nov 11 16:41:59 <dcordes> I also would like to see that functionality when I'm at a friend's for example and want to get his latest foobar.mp3
Nov 11 16:42:19 <dcordes> about the pim: Check out pimlico applications from openhand
Nov 11 16:42:25 <dcordes> they are in the  repos
Nov 11 16:42:30 <vanguard> But all these features include several applications ! So I can give the information "it is not working", but not "what is responsible for"
Nov 11 16:42:59 <vanguard> Hu, are they ? Cool !
Nov 11 16:43:21 <daresbalat> dcordes: installed that distro and the stylus isnt working :\
Nov 11 16:43:48 <dcordes> daresbalat: try to run callibrator app of gpe
Nov 11 16:44:03 <dcordes> you can navigate to settings tab with arrow keys and open it with enter key
Nov 11 16:44:10 <daresbalat> ill just try a reset
Nov 11 16:44:11 <dcordes> iirc
Nov 11 16:44:19 <daresbalat> wont let me log in atm
Nov 11 16:44:28 <dcordes> oh no
Nov 11 16:45:05 <dcordes> don't say you see the desktop for a second, then you get a black screen for a second and get back to login screen?
Nov 11 16:45:29 <daresbalat> ah no. wokring now. no it wouldbnt physically let me press the ok key
Nov 11 16:45:35 <daresbalat> ahhh nno
Nov 11 16:45:38 <daresbalat> its doing what you said
Nov 11 16:46:05 <dcordes> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3231
Nov 11 16:46:26 <dcordes> unfortunately nobody confirmed it yet so it could be something wrong with my build system
Nov 11 16:46:44 <daresbalat> hmm how do i get to console?
Nov 11 16:46:50 <dcordes> fn+left
Nov 11 16:47:06 <dcordes> propably non working
Nov 11 16:47:22 <daresbalat> ah it works but doesnt get me into the gui
Nov 11 16:47:31 <dcordes> you on console?
Nov 11 16:47:33 <daresbalat> shall i just go back to the minimal install?
Nov 11 16:47:35 <daresbalat> yeah
Nov 11 16:47:38 <dcordes> good
Nov 11 16:47:45 <dcordes> got ipkg?
Nov 11 16:48:01 <daresbalat> yeahhhhhhh
Nov 11 16:48:15 <dcordes> no you should stay with that flash for now and see if you get stuff working with it
Nov 11 16:48:18 <dcordes> good
Nov 11 16:48:23 <dcordes> so try to install the wifi packages now
Nov 11 16:48:28 <daresbalat> yeah im on it
Nov 11 16:48:49 <dcordes> make sure you don't lack the depencies
Nov 11 16:49:26 <daresbalat> cannot find package kernel-module-pcmcia
Nov 11 16:49:27 <daresbalat> hmmm
Nov 11 16:49:45 <daresbalat> oh
Nov 11 16:49:47 <daresbalat> not logged as root
Nov 11 16:49:49 <daresbalat> bear wiht me
Nov 11 16:50:20 <daresbalat> an no same rpoblem
Nov 11 16:50:21 <daresbalat> hmm
Nov 11 16:50:32 <dcordes> arrr
Nov 11 16:50:50 <dcordes> did you specifiy thw _full_ filename?
Nov 11 16:50:59 <daresbalat> with ./, yeah
Nov 11 16:51:14 <dcordes> try ipkg install *.ipk
Nov 11 16:51:46 <vanguard> daresbalat: You can download it with another computer and put it on the card. Then install it manually.#
Nov 11 16:51:57 <dcordes> that's what he's trying
Nov 11 16:51:58 <daresbalat> same prob
Nov 11 16:52:17 <daresbalat> its asking to run ipkg upate... lol, chicken and egg
Nov 11 16:52:19 <dcordes> I also experienced that when installing packet from local
Nov 11 16:52:19 <vanguard> dcordes: What is the name of the pimlico-packages ?
Nov 11 16:52:54 <dcordes> daresbalat: it is looking for the package in your local package list
Nov 11 16:53:03 <dcordes> which is created after running ipkg update
Nov 11 16:53:07 <vanguard> daresbalat: If your packages are on the card, you have to edit /etc/ipkg/*.conf manually.
Nov 11 16:53:08 <dcordes> put ipkg list
Nov 11 16:53:53 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 16:53:59 <dcordes> vanguard: I think it also works with the normal angstrom repository package lists but not with no packages at all
Nov 11 16:54:04 <dcordes> (in the list)
Nov 11 16:54:11 <daresbalat> ipkg list = masses of things
Nov 11 16:54:22 <daresbalat> ill edit that file
Nov 11 16:54:44 <daresbalat> hang on ill check the file sizes first just to see theres no funny bunsiness
Nov 11 16:55:24 <vanguard> dcordes: I had to run some time without wifi card. So I get all stuff using wget, put it on the card and edited the *.conf. It was realy nerdy.
Nov 11 16:56:15 <dcordes> afaik you can also put one .conf
Nov 11 16:56:20 <dcordes> instead of editing them all
Nov 11 16:56:32 <dcordes> did you just specifiy the folder with your downloaded ipks inside?
Nov 11 16:57:01 <daresbalat> so /etc/ipkg.conf?
Nov 11 16:57:43 <dcordes> vanguard: what exactly did you put inside .conf to make it install your local package?
Nov 11 16:58:10 <daresbalat> ahhh ok
Nov 11 16:58:19 <daresbalat> what t i put in my /etc/ipkg.conf file?
Nov 11 16:58:35 <vanguard> Wait, I just open the file...
Nov 11 16:59:00 <dcordes> ipkg's behaviour with local pakcages is kind of strange
Nov 11 16:59:07 <dcordes> sometimes it works for me, sometimes not
Nov 11 16:59:50 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:00:54 <vanguard> Cannnot find it. Something like : src base file:///media/card/daten/base/
Nov 11 17:01:00 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:01:44 <dcordes> so it looks like the folder with your files is a repository
Nov 11 17:01:49 <dcordes> interesting
Nov 11 17:02:09 <daresbalat> same problem
Nov 11 17:02:23 <dcordes> where did you put that?
Nov 11 17:02:42 <daresbalat> in /etc/ipkg.conf
Nov 11 17:02:52 <dcordes> oh wrong. restore it
Nov 11 17:03:33 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:03:50 <vanguard> daresbalat: Do you have /etc/ipkg.conf or /etc/ipkg/*.conf ?
Nov 11 17:04:28 <daresbalat> i hve a /etc/ipk.conf file, then in /etc/ipkg theres a whole bunch of .conf files
Nov 11 17:04:37 <dcordes> cp /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf.bak && echo "src/gz base file:///media/whatsoever/folderwithyouripks" > /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf
Nov 11 17:04:54 <dcordes> try that
Nov 11 17:04:55 <vanguard> Yes, you must edit those below /etc/ipkg/
Nov 11 17:05:24 <dcordes> vanguard: don't you need the packet index then?
Nov 11 17:06:33 <vanguard> dcordes: Yes, so I downloaded everything using wget.
Nov 11 17:06:51 <dcordes> I wonder if there is a way for ipkg to install locally
Nov 11 17:06:59 <dcordes> that's so ugly there must be a different way
Nov 11 17:07:16 <vanguard> Then put it on the card, edited the files, and had had the rpository accessible as normal.
Nov 11 17:07:35 <vanguard> daresbalat: Do you have ipkg available ?
Nov 11 17:07:50 <daresbalat> heh
Nov 11 17:07:52 <daresbalat> same problem
Nov 11 17:07:55 <daresbalat> yeah it is available
Nov 11 17:08:22 <vanguard> If yes, you only need to download the packages you need. Then you can install them ->> ipkg --force-depends install blabla.ipk
Nov 11 17:08:46 <daresbalat> i dont have internet access wiht it
Nov 11 17:08:50 <daresbalat> im tyring to isntall the wireless driver
Nov 11 17:08:51 <vanguard> I mean, downlade with another computer and put it on the card.
Nov 11 17:08:59 <daresbalat> thats what im doing
Nov 11 17:09:06 <daresbalat> i think?
Nov 11 17:09:21 <vanguard> All packages can be manually installed using ipkg packagename.
Nov 11 17:09:32 <vanguard> You must use the FULL name.
Nov 11 17:09:48 <dcordes> ipkg install ./foobar.ipk
Nov 11 17:09:53 <daresbalat> yup
Nov 11 17:10:08 <vanguard> like ->> ipkg install kernel-module-bla-1.1.3.-ssl.ipk 
Nov 11 17:10:10 <dcordes> ipkg install ./*.ipk --force-depends
Nov 11 17:10:29 <daresbalat> same rpoblem
Nov 11 17:10:32 <vanguard> And you must be in the directory, where the package reside.#
Nov 11 17:10:40 <daresbalat> yep
Nov 11 17:10:41 <daresbalat> maybe
Nov 11 17:10:47 <daresbalat> its because theyre akita apckages?
Nov 11 17:11:07 <dcordes> propably
Nov 11 17:11:08 <vanguard> And using --force-depends ALL dependencies MUST be available.
Nov 11 17:11:31 <daresbalat> i just get the same thing, cannot find package kernel-module-pcmcia
Nov 11 17:11:36 <vanguard> Otherwise try without the --force-depends directiuve.
Nov 11 17:11:59 <daresbalat> you dont know anything about usb networking do you, vanguard?
Nov 11 17:12:13 <vanguard> You must udse the complete file-name 
Nov 11 17:12:14 <daresbalat> i managed to get the pc and Z talking via ssh but couldnt get the Z to talk to the nternet
Nov 11 17:12:28 <daresbalat> yes, i am using the full name
Nov 11 17:13:27 <vanguard> ipkg install kernel-module-pcmcia-2.4.bla.ipk ?
Nov 11 17:13:34 <vanguard> or
Nov 11 17:13:39 <vanguard> ipkg install ./kernel-module-pcmcia-2.4.bla.ipk ?
Nov 11 17:13:47 <daresbalat> the latter
Nov 11 17:13:57 <vanguard> No, without ./
Nov 11 17:13:59 <daresbalat> they boith give the same result though
Nov 11 17:14:03 <daresbalat> ive tried it both ways
Nov 11 17:14:05 <dcordes> vanguard: don't you use usb net?
Nov 11 17:14:49 <vanguard> dcordes: Sry, I just didnt notice your question. :) Well, there was some info using the SL-5500f
Nov 11 17:15:06 <vanguard> I can give you the link, if it might help.
Nov 11 17:15:17 <vanguard> I never used it.
Nov 11 17:15:22 <dcordes> me n'either
Nov 11 17:15:22 <daresbalat> ok so to recap, for clarity
Nov 11 17:15:28 <daresbalat> ive got the 2 kernel modules i need on the CF card
Nov 11 17:15:36 <vanguard> And I never managed to get internet access using usb.
Nov 11 17:15:47 <daresbalat> in /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf ive added src/gz base file:///media/card/
Nov 11 17:15:58 <daresbalat> then from /media/card,
Nov 11 17:16:11 <daresbalat> run ipkg install kernel-module-bvanjfnsdjkncsjnsj.ipk
Nov 11 17:16:40 <daresbalat> thats where i got on usb vanguard, it was that step of getting the internet through i couldnt figure out
Nov 11 17:17:29 <vanguard> daresbalat: try to put the files in a subdirectory on the card.
Nov 11 17:17:43 <dcordes> daresbalat: restore the normal /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf . that was bs
Nov 11 17:17:43 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 17:17:51 <vanguard> And download the file "Packages.gz" , too,
Nov 11 17:17:52 <daresbalat> do bth?
Nov 11 17:18:00 <dcordes> oops no do what he says
Nov 11 17:18:05 <vanguard> Put it into the same subdirectory.
Nov 11 17:18:43 <daresbalat> so: leave base-feed.conf how it is, get the packages.gz file via CF and put the lot in a new subdirectory?
Nov 11 17:18:44 <vanguard> thenm you should be able to run ipkg update.
Nov 11 17:19:03 <vanguard> But remove the other *.conf out of /etc/ipkg/
Nov 11 17:19:15 <daresbalat> the backup one?
Nov 11 17:19:25 <vanguard> daresbalat: You have it on CF-Card ???
Nov 11 17:20:01 <vanguard> Then it ios not //media/card, but //media/cf. Check the mount point.
Nov 11 17:20:17 <daresbalat> i can access it via /media/card
Nov 11 17:20:19 <dcordes> daresbalat: I think you are right and it is not working because the packs are for akita
Nov 11 17:20:41 <daresbalat> when you say the packages .gz do you mean 	modules-2.6.23-spitz.tgz?
Nov 11 17:20:43 <vanguard> dcordes: Yes, but ipkg should found it.
Nov 11 17:20:48 <vanguard> +have
Nov 11 17:21:03 <vanguard> daresbalat: Nor, Packages.gz.
Nov 11 17:21:07 <daresbalat> ok, wheres that?
Nov 11 17:21:15 <vanguard> There is a file in the repository. 
Nov 11 17:21:32 <dcordes> vanguard: those packages he has right there are not in his ipkg list since they are only in the akita feed
Nov 11 17:21:32 <daresbalat> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071024/
Nov 11 17:21:35 <vanguard> It contents all the files, which are available,
Nov 11 17:21:40 <daresbalat> ?
Nov 11 17:21:58 <dcordes> aka package index
Nov 11 17:22:39 <vanguard> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/Packages.gz
Nov 11 17:22:51 <vanguard> dcordes: Is is arm5te ???
Nov 11 17:23:42 <dcordes> no akita
Nov 11 17:24:18 <vanguard> armv5te, I meant.
Nov 11 17:24:22 <vanguard> Typo....
Nov 11 17:24:31 <dcordes> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/akita/Packages.gz
Nov 11 17:24:50 <dcordes> the ipks daresbalat wants to install should be in this package index.
Nov 11 17:25:06 <vanguard> Yes, "machine" , where the kernel-modules reside.
Nov 11 17:25:16 <vanguard> My fault.
Nov 11 17:25:21 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 17:25:31 <daresbalat> so i used the file dcordes put?
Nov 11 17:25:38 <vanguard> yes
Nov 11 17:25:40 <dcordes> Package: kernel-module-pcmcia-core
Nov 11 17:25:58 <vanguard> Just download the whole files.
Nov 11 17:26:23 <vanguard> Then configure your /*/ipkg/base.conf
Nov 11 17:26:25 <daresbalat> extract it onto my cf card?
Nov 11 17:26:36 <vanguard> No, leave it as it is.
Nov 11 17:26:41 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:27:07 <dcordes> daresbalat: you want a copy of this directory on your card http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/akita/
Nov 11 17:27:34 <daresbalat> k so i can delete those 2 modules i downloaded sepretely now too?
Nov 11 17:27:35 <vanguard> remove all unneeded *.conf to another place (that they do not interfere).
Nov 11 17:27:42 <vanguard> Check it: 
Nov 11 17:27:51 <vanguard> ipkg update.
Nov 11 17:28:05 <dcordes> you don't need to take all the packages there with you. Only the ones you need ( http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/akita/ AND DEPENCIES and kernel-module-pxa2xx-cs AND DEPENCIES
Nov 11 17:28:24 <vanguard> If there are no errors, you can install it  ->> ipkg install kernel-module-pcmacia
Nov 11 17:28:37 <vanguard> Now WITHOUT .ipk
Nov 11 17:28:43 <dcordes> as usual
Nov 11 17:28:57 <dcordes> daresbalat: you know what you need to do now?
Nov 11 17:29:00 <daresbalat> well
Nov 11 17:29:04 <dcordes> clone the repo..
Nov 11 17:29:08 <dcordes> with needed modules
Nov 11 17:29:12 <daresbalat> i have copies the packages.tgz onto my cf card
Nov 11 17:29:19 <vanguard> dcordes: The files are not too big, he should download them all.
Nov 11 17:29:23 <daresbalat> ahhhh
Nov 11 17:29:32 <daresbalat> are you telling me differnet things or am i going mad? lol
Nov 11 17:29:43 <dcordes> lets get that sorted again
Nov 11 17:29:57 <dcordes> I will give you todo list
Nov 11 17:30:08 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 17:31:52 <dcordes> first you configure your ipkg: "rm /etc/ipkg/*" then you get the file "etc/ipkg/akita-feed.conf" from the installkit/rootfs.tar.gz and copy it to your /etc/ipkg/ folder on spitz
Nov 11 17:32:18 <dcordes> god that's complete crap again
Nov 11 17:32:22 <daresbalat> lol
Nov 11 17:32:26 <daresbalat> why is it so hard?
Nov 11 17:32:31 <dcordes> you don't want the original etc/ipkg/akita-feed.conf
Nov 11 17:32:38 <dcordes> that's a thing you do later on
Nov 11 17:32:44 <dcordes> so just get rid of /etc/ipkg/*
Nov 11 17:33:07 <daresbalat> bear in mind i ahve spitz too... will this be a problem?
Nov 11 17:33:20 <dcordes> then you download this complete folder http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/akita/
Nov 11 17:33:23 <dcordes> to your cf
Nov 11 17:33:52 <dcordes> ok?
Nov 11 17:34:01 <daresbalat> alright
Nov 11 17:34:14 <daresbalat> do delete all the 8 files in /etc/ipkg?
Nov 11 17:34:20 <dcordes> yep
Nov 11 17:34:22 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:34:38 <dcordes> you restore them later from your installkit/rootfs.tar.gz I sent you when things work.
Nov 11 17:34:46 <daresbalat> alright
Nov 11 17:35:05 <daresbalat> and everything in that folder is stored in the ppackages.gz file right?
Nov 11 17:35:27 <dcordes> exactly
Nov 11 17:35:51 <daresbalat> ok so i unzip it?
Nov 11 17:35:55 <daresbalat> onto the cf?
Nov 11 17:36:01 <dcordes> no man
Nov 11 17:36:04 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:36:07 <dcordes> you keep the folder as it is on your cf.
Nov 11 17:36:10 <daresbalat> alright im there then
Nov 11 17:36:16 <dcordes> good
Nov 11 17:36:34 <dcordes> now you need to have ipkg know it wants to look for the packages on your cf
Nov 11 17:37:53 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 17:37:58 <dcordes> /etc/ipkg/akita-feed.conf should look like this: "src/gz akita file:///media/cf/akita" where /media/cf/akita is the path to the cloned http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/akita/ folder on your cf
Nov 11 17:38:34 <dcordes> daresbalat: done?
Nov 11 17:39:02 <daresbalat> ok.ive been using /media/card toget to it, is that wrong?
Nov 11 17:39:24 <dcordes> irrelevant where you have the folder
Nov 11 17:39:29 <daresbalat> ok
Nov 11 17:39:42 <dcordes> just put the right path to it into /etc/ipkg/akita-feed.conf as explained above
Nov 11 17:39:47 <daresbalat> done
Nov 11 17:39:51 <dcordes> excelent
Nov 11 17:39:56 <dcordes> now try ipkg update
Nov 11 17:40:01 <daresbalat> woo
Nov 11 17:40:02 <daresbalat> worked
Nov 11 17:40:10 <dcordes> do NOT RUN IPKG UPGRADE
Nov 11 17:40:13 <dcordes> will garble your system.
Nov 11 17:40:28 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:40:34 <daresbalat> ipkg install kerbel-mdule-pcmcia?
Nov 11 17:40:38 <dcordes> ipkg install kernel-module-pxa2xx-cs kernel-module-pcmcia
Nov 11 17:40:41 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 17:41:13 <dcordes> working?
Nov 11 17:41:19 <daresbalat> i got
Nov 11 17:41:39 <daresbalat> pages and pages of "clearing stae_want and state_flag for blah"
Nov 11 17:41:46 <daresbalat> and the same error
Nov 11 17:41:47 <daresbalat> :(
Nov 11 17:41:50 <dcordes> haha
Nov 11 17:42:09 <dcordes> DDD"ipkg list | grep kernel-module"
Nov 11 17:42:11 <dcordes> ?
Nov 11 17:42:47 <daresbalat> loads of stuff
Nov 11 17:42:57 <daresbalat> heh
Nov 11 17:43:01 <daresbalat> including kernel-module-pcmcia
Nov 11 17:43:06 <dcordes> "ipkg list | grep kernel-module-yea"
Nov 11 17:43:12 <dcordes> so it is there but not installing
Nov 11 17:43:12 <dcordes> odd
Nov 11 17:43:38 <vanguard> Try the option --force-overwrite
Nov 11 17:44:13 <vanguard> ipkg --force-overwrite --force-depends install kernel-module-pcmcia
Nov 11 17:45:06 <dcordes> I would like to know why in hell they dropped those modules off the kernel since 2.6.22 or was ist 23?
Nov 11 17:45:08 <daresbalat> same prob
Nov 11 17:45:13 <vanguard> And maybe the target.... What do you think, dcordes ?
Nov 11 17:45:23 <dcordes> no idea man
Nov 11 17:45:47 <dcordes> daresbalat: if I find time later or tomorrow I will try to build a kernel with the modules 
Nov 11 17:45:55 <daresbalat> dcordes: alright, thanks :)
Nov 11 17:46:03 <daresbalat> im abtou sick of this, its not even my Z, lol
Nov 11 17:46:11 <daresbalat> thanks so much for both your help though
Nov 11 17:46:13 <vanguard> daresbalat: Did ipkg update work without any errors ?
Nov 11 17:46:14 <daresbalat> just seems
Nov 11 17:46:16 <dcordes> I don't know how to make a single module with openembedded so I need to configure the kernel manually which is new ground to me
Nov 11 17:46:18 <daresbalat> yeah no errors
Nov 11 17:46:45 <daresbalat> is it as simple as akira/spitz incompatability?
Nov 11 17:47:11 <dcordes> de nada amigo
Nov 11 17:47:15 <dcordes> I have to go now
Nov 11 17:47:16 <daresbalat> heh
Nov 11 17:47:18 <vanguard> you should also be able, to get into the directory , where the ipk reside and do an ipkg install kerne-module-pcmcia-*.ipk there.
Nov 11 17:47:22 <dcordes> cyas
Nov 11 17:47:26 <daresbalat> thanks again :)
Nov 11 17:47:31 <daresbalat> see ya
Nov 11 17:47:43 <vanguard> bye dcordes !
Nov 11 17:47:52 <daresbalat> okk, you know where the dirr is vanguard
Nov 11 17:47:53 <daresbalat> ?
Nov 11 17:48:00 <dcordes> maybe you guys should rather try getting usb network to work
Nov 11 17:48:13 <daresbalat> :0
Nov 11 17:48:15 <daresbalat> :)
Nov 11 17:48:25 <vanguard> No, no, dcordes , I do not need grey hairs ! :)
Nov 11 17:48:40 <daresbalat> did you gt to the same place as me vanguard? ssh but no web?
Nov 11 17:49:01 <vanguard> No, I had had no wifi-card for some time.
Nov 11 17:49:05 <daresbalat> ahhh
Nov 11 17:49:11 <daresbalat> i mean
Nov 11 17:49:13 <daresbalat> via usb
Nov 11 17:49:17 <vanguard> And so I had to manage it on another way.
Nov 11 17:49:34 <vanguard> Yes, I tried USB, but with no success.
Nov 11 17:49:37 <daresbalat> ahh
Nov 11 17:49:46 <daresbalat> i got ssh up
Nov 11 17:49:52 <vanguard> I formerly used it with my SL-C5500
Nov 11 17:50:00 <daresbalat> but yeah i think you hvae to put a route path on your actual router to get traffic back
Nov 11 17:50:06 <daresbalat> ahh ok
Nov 11 17:50:08 <daresbalat> hmm
Nov 11 17:50:15 <daresbalat> you dont know if its possible to reset to factory do you?
Nov 11 17:50:39 <CoreDump> On debian, this entry in /etc/network/interfaces works for me http://rafb.net/p/RzQHlJ87.html
Nov 11 17:50:44 <vanguard> You may look onto the trisoft site.
Nov 11 17:50:49 <vanguard> Hi CoreDump 
Nov 11 17:50:55 <CoreDump> hey
Nov 11 17:51:13 <daresbalat> CoreDump: you have your Z talking to the internet?
Nov 11 17:51:31 <vanguard> CoreDump: It is just the same, like this site describes:
Nov 11 17:51:45 <CoreDump> yes, I need to manually add my DNS to /etc/resolv.conf tho
Nov 11 17:52:02 <vanguard> http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html
Nov 11 17:52:05 <daresbalat> CoreDump: brilliant :) where haev you been all my life, lol
Nov 11 17:52:35 <daresbalat> alright im gonna take a break, then reflash from factory again
Nov 11 17:52:39 <vanguard> The same should work on all zaurii, but I never tested it.
Nov 11 17:52:56 <vanguard> daresbalat: Do you understand German ?
Nov 11 17:53:00 <daresbalat> nope :)
Nov 11 17:53:17 <vanguard> Hmm, o.k., just wait....
Nov 11 17:53:19 <daresbalat> CoreDump: are your usb and eth interfaces ont eh same subnet?
Nov 11 17:53:39 <daresbalat> ive bene emssing aroudn with bridging and stuff
Nov 11 17:53:44 <daresbalat> *been messing
Nov 11 17:54:05 <CoreDump> nope, that's what MASQUERADE is for
Nov 11 17:54:15 <daresbalat> awesome
Nov 11 17:54:18 <daresbalat> so
Nov 11 17:54:30 <daresbalat> your eth interface is on 192.168.1 or something?
Nov 11 17:54:34 <vanguard> daresbalat: Here are the original files --> http://www.trisoft.de/c860howto.htm
Nov 11 17:54:38 <daresbalat> and your usb 192.168.0?
Nov 11 17:54:42 <CoreDump>  192.168.5.*
Nov 11 17:54:52 <CoreDump> right
Nov 11 17:55:02 <daresbalat> cool
Nov 11 17:55:16 <daresbalat> ok i think i had a setup like that at one point ill try and dig out my backup
Nov 11 17:55:40 <vanguard> CoreDump: The desktop computer must act as a router, right ?
Nov 11 17:55:48 <CoreDump> yes
Nov 11 17:55:56 <CoreDump> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
Nov 11 17:56:17 <daresbalat> CoreDump: is your desktop your internet gateway?
Nov 11 17:56:23 <CoreDump> no
Nov 11 17:56:26 <daresbalat> ok good
Nov 11 17:56:28 <daresbalat> alright
Nov 11 17:56:30 <vanguard> Yes, I made a script, which is automatically executed, when the Z is plugged in
Nov 11 17:56:35 <daresbalat> 10 min break then ill give it a go, thanks
Nov 11 17:56:38 <daresbalat> :)
Nov 11 17:57:15 <vanguard> CoreDump: It seems, the SL-C1000 manges it the same way, as the 5500 does.
Nov 11 17:57:39 <CoreDump> AFAIK the setup is identical for all Zauruses
Nov 11 17:57:42 <vanguard> But how can I get the Z connected to the desktop ?
Nov 11 17:57:55 <CoreDump> ?
Nov 11 17:58:03 <CoreDump> the USB client cable
Nov 11 17:58:12 <vanguard> My desktop does never see the Z.
Nov 11 17:58:29 <vanguard> Crossover ???
Nov 11 17:58:40 <vanguard> Or the dlivered one ?
Nov 11 17:58:45 <CoreDump> that might be a missing module on your desktop
Nov 11 17:58:54 <CoreDump> the delivered one of course
Nov 11 17:59:05 <vanguard> Everything else is working on my desktop.
Nov 11 17:59:23 <vanguard> And all other devices are seen.
Nov 11 17:59:23 <CoreDump> well, USB networking obviously isn't =)
Nov 11 17:59:33 <vanguard> usbnet is running.
Nov 11 18:00:05 <vanguard> Which ones does the Z have to run ???
Nov 11 18:00:37 <CoreDump> no idea, my Z is in the other room heh.
Nov 11 18:00:47 <vanguard> :(
Nov 11 18:00:51 <CoreDump> The Zs are configured for USB networking OOTB
Nov 11 18:01:46 <vanguard> O.k, and usbnet is running at the desktop, right ?
Nov 11 18:02:18 <CoreDump> well, dunno. It has been some time when I configured this part of the kernel
Nov 11 18:02:58 <vanguard> :) I understand. But anyway, it seems, it is the same kind of style, like with the 5500.
Nov 11 18:03:20 <vanguard> I will check it myself, I think I will get it running myself.
Nov 11 18:04:00 <daresbalat> ok back :)
Nov 11 18:04:03 <vanguard> Just good to know, that the delivered USB-cable is working. I always thought, I must use a crossover-usb.
Nov 11 18:04:04 <daresbalat> just out of itnerest
Nov 11 18:04:33 <daresbalat> would people reccomend getting the .22 kernel with GPE on, or getting the minimal .23 version and installing GPE mansually?
Nov 11 18:04:40 <daresbalat> im gonna do a clean flash
Nov 11 18:05:06 <vanguard> Try .22, if it runs, flash only the kernel.
Nov 11 18:05:18 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 18:05:34 <daresbalat> nly the kernel?
Nov 11 18:05:59 <vanguard> Yes. Just put only zImage on the card, no initrd.
Nov 11 18:06:27 <vanguard> And of course updater.sh
Nov 11 18:06:34 <daresbalat> so... install the .22 version, then flash with the .23 kernel?
Nov 11 18:06:39 <vanguard> Yes.
Nov 11 18:06:49 <daresbalat> alrightt
Nov 11 18:07:10 <daresbalat> given im using it for pim stuff i guess i should use the pimlico image too?
Nov 11 18:07:18 <vanguard> You can flash only the kernel. (A thing, I discovered first after some years.)
Nov 11 18:07:26 <daresbalat> cool :)
Nov 11 18:08:16 <vanguard> I use gpe, but this is anybodys own taste.
Nov 11 18:09:07 <daresbalat> pinlico doesnt use gpe?
Nov 11 18:09:25 <vanguard> It is using gpe, too.
Nov 11 18:09:29 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 18:09:36 <vanguard> Just other PIM applications.
Nov 11 18:15:36 <daresbalat> CoreDump: do i not need auto usb0 in interfaces?
Nov 11 18:16:07 <CoreDump> daresbalat: nope
Nov 11 18:16:15 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 18:16:29 <mimecar> hi
Nov 11 18:16:39 <CoreDump> hi mimecar 
Nov 11 18:16:51 <mimecar> evening CoreDump
Nov 11 18:16:58 <daresbalat> right i gotta reset, for some reason /etc/init.d/network restart deosnt seem to work for me... answers on a postcard
Nov 11 18:17:37 <daresbalat> brb
Nov 11 18:18:07 <vanguard> hi mimecar 
Nov 11 18:18:12 <mimecar> hi vanguard
Nov 11 18:18:52 <vanguard> Was ist you, who searched for the "@" in console some days ago ?
Nov 11 18:19:10 <mimecar> me ?
Nov 11 18:19:16 <vanguard> yes ?
Nov 11 18:19:36 <mimecar> I don't think so
Nov 11 18:19:54 <vanguard> Someone searched for it, how to get an "@" in console.
Nov 11 18:20:15 <mimecar> ok
Nov 11 18:20:22 <vanguard> ....using the hardware-keyboard.
Nov 11 18:20:51 <mimecar> if i have problems with some hardware key i use virtual keyboard
Nov 11 18:21:15 * CoreDump will BBL
Nov 11 18:21:15 <vanguard> Yes, this is working, but only, if you get X working.
Nov 11 18:21:36 <vanguard> No X, no virtual keyboard.
Nov 11 18:21:40 <mimecar> that's true
Nov 11 18:21:43 <vanguard> wb daresbalat 
Nov 11 18:21:46 <mimecar> hi daresbalat
Nov 11 18:21:50 <daresbalat> hey up :)
Nov 11 18:22:09 <daresbalat> CoreDump: the Z is saying "no ip v6 routers present"
Nov 11 18:22:25 <vanguard> CoreDump is gone.
Nov 11 18:22:31 <vanguard> But that is o.k.
Nov 11 18:22:32 <daresbalat> bah
Nov 11 18:22:35 <daresbalat> :)
Nov 11 18:23:00 <vanguard> I mean: The message, not "Coredump is gone" :)
Nov 11 18:23:03 <mimecar> daresbalat: are you from spain ?
Nov 11 18:23:11 <daresbalat> mimecar: nope, uk
Nov 11 18:23:15 <mimecar> ok, sorry
Nov 11 18:23:27 <mimecar> there's a guy working on ipv6 on mailing list :P
Nov 11 18:23:30 <daresbalat> haha np :) how come?
Nov 11 18:23:32 <vanguard> poor daresbalat !
Nov 11 18:23:45 <daresbalat> its a problem when i cant ping the pc coz of that message :(
Nov 11 18:24:13 <vanguard> Maybe ping is not working. Ping some names.
Nov 11 18:24:40 <vanguard> Did you run usbnet on the desktop ?
Nov 11 18:24:41 <daresbalat> ahh no no worries just had to ifup and down the interface, hehe
Nov 11 18:24:48 <vanguard> Cool !!!
Nov 11 18:25:01 <daresbalat> hmm
Nov 11 18:25:04 <daresbalat> not pgingon though
Nov 11 18:25:09 <daresbalat> this is annoying, i had it working before, grrrrrr
Nov 11 18:25:18 <daresbalat> not pinging
Nov 11 18:25:25 <vanguard> I might remember, ping was never workuing.
Nov 11 18:25:38 <vanguard> Try dig or nslookup.
Nov 11 18:25:52 <daresbalat> hmm i had it working befre
Nov 11 18:25:56 <daresbalat> in a previous isntallation... haha
Nov 11 18:26:24 <vanguard> Did you llok at the site, I gave you the link ?
Nov 11 18:26:36 <daresbalat> the one in german? i dont read german...
Nov 11 18:26:45 <vanguard> No, the one in English-
Nov 11 18:26:54 <daresbalat> oh
Nov 11 18:26:59 <daresbalat> http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html
Nov 11 18:27:00 <daresbalat> that one?
Nov 11 18:27:18 <vanguard> Yes, might be, there is some information for you in it.
Nov 11 18:27:40 <daresbalat> hmm its alll sooo convoluted
Nov 11 18:27:44 <daresbalat> why cant it just work
Nov 11 18:28:22 <vanguard> Take a look here:
Nov 11 18:28:25 <vanguard> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromManual
Nov 11 18:28:39 <mimecar> is there a guide to translate ansgtrom into another language on some place?
Nov 11 18:28:42 <vanguard> Look at "Networking using usb"
Nov 11 18:28:57 <vanguard> mimecar: What do you mean ? 
Nov 11 18:29:09 <vanguard> During a build ?
Nov 11 18:29:14 <mimecar> original system is on english, if i want my system on spanish
Nov 11 18:29:25 <vanguard> Install locales.
Nov 11 18:29:53 <mimecar> i want system is on spanish after flashing
Nov 11 18:30:08 <mimecar> without installing other stuff (i'm compiling a custom image)
Nov 11 18:30:21 <daresbalat> ahh
Nov 11 18:30:31 <vanguard> I see. Build with spanisch locales only.
Nov 11 18:30:31 <daresbalat> i was using CoreDumps interfaces file
Nov 11 18:30:32 <mimecar> i woulkd like know if there's some info on some place ;)
Nov 11 18:30:44 <daresbalat> ive had it working before over usb but
Nov 11 18:30:45 <daresbalat> hmm
Nov 11 18:31:10 <vanguard> mimecar: Sry, do not know. I suggest, to choose it in the packages-choice.
Nov 11 18:31:31 <vanguard> daresbalat: The wrong IP ?
Nov 11 18:31:37 <daresbalat> wh
Nov 11 18:31:38 <daresbalat> o
Nov 11 18:31:39 <daresbalat> knows
Nov 11 18:31:43 <daresbalat> bah
Nov 11 18:31:51 <vanguard> Try nslookup.
Nov 11 18:31:57 <daresbalat> does anyone use kdepim?
Nov 11 18:32:05 <vanguard> No.
Nov 11 18:32:08 <daresbalat> hehe
Nov 11 18:32:17 <daresbalat> see even if i get it working i have that obstacle
Nov 11 18:32:23 <vanguard> I have installed it, but I do not use it.
Nov 11 18:32:35 <daresbalat> how do i use nslokup? not used it befre
Nov 11 18:32:49 <vanguard> nslookup www.google.de
Nov 11 18:32:55 <vanguard> in console
Nov 11 18:33:12 <daresbalat> on the Z?
Nov 11 18:33:18 <vanguard> Yes.
Nov 11 18:33:28 <daresbalat> host name lookup faliure
Nov 11 18:33:35 <vanguard> If your connection is working, you should get an answer.
Nov 11 18:33:39 <daresbalat> ive not even got the z talking to the pc again yet
Nov 11 18:34:02 <daresbalat> maybe i should go back to my old working interfaces file and go from there
Nov 11 18:34:03 <daresbalat> hmm
Nov 11 18:34:13 <vanguard> Ping from the Z to the desktop will not work (if I remeber correctly)
Nov 11 18:34:17 <daresbalat> tea time. back ina  bit
Nov 11 18:34:21 <daresbalat> i had it wokring before vanguard
Nov 11 18:34:23 <daresbalat> bbaib
Nov 11 18:34:43 <vanguard> Teatime ??? It is 7:30 PM !
Nov 11 18:34:48 <vanguard> :)
Nov 11 18:35:02 <vanguard> In Germany.... lol
Nov 11 18:38:34 <mimecar> vanguard: he can drink tea all the time :P
Nov 11 18:40:36 <vanguard> He is British ! Teatime in Britain is most important. It is culture.
Nov 11 18:40:39 <vanguard> :)
Nov 11 18:40:58 <mimecar> here is coffe time :)
Nov 11 18:41:11 <vanguard> And I forgot: London and Berlin are 2 hours differnce.
Nov 11 18:41:23 <vanguard> We have summertime.
Nov 11 18:43:42 <CoreDump> no we haven't, we are on standard-time sine one or two weeks
Nov 11 18:43:54 <CoreDump> death to DST
Nov 11 18:44:06 <mimecar> GMT+1
Nov 11 18:44:38 <vanguard> CoreDump: Yes, I forgot, only 1 hour.
Nov 11 18:45:24 <daresbalat> hehe
Nov 11 18:45:28 <daresbalat> tea here = dinner
Nov 11 18:45:31 <daresbalat> as well
Nov 11 18:45:36 <daresbalat> just to add to the confusion
Nov 11 18:46:28 <vanguard> I am in the background now, too.
Nov 11 18:46:40 <daresbalat> CoreDump: fancy giving me a hand with the usb networking? :)
Nov 11 18:46:53 <daresbalat> ive got that setup in my interfaces
Nov 11 18:46:54 <vanguard> Watching tv. "The Persuaders" with Roger Moore and Tony Curtis.
Nov 11 18:46:55 <CoreDump> not right now, sorry
Nov 11 18:46:58 <daresbalat> k
Nov 11 18:47:07 <daresbalat> haha
Nov 11 18:47:12 <daresbalat> dont think ive had the pleasure of that one
Nov 11 18:47:14 <daresbalat> thanks anywayy
Nov 11 18:47:38 * CoreDump is prepping a bath#
Nov 11 18:47:48 <daresbalat> :D
Nov 11 18:47:52 <daresbalat> sounds like a plan when i get homeee
Nov 11 18:48:43 <vanguard> a plan ?#
Nov 11 18:49:20 <daresbalat> having a bath
Nov 11 18:49:21 <daresbalat> lol
Nov 11 18:50:44 <daresbalat> in fact
Nov 11 18:50:49 <daresbalat> im gonan give it a rest for today
Nov 11 18:51:00 <daresbalat> thanks for your help vanguard, and everyone :)
Nov 11 18:51:04 <vanguard> Tomorrow with fresh ideas.
Nov 11 18:51:08 <daresbalat> yessss
Nov 11 18:51:16 <vanguard> It was a pleasure for me.
Nov 11 18:51:18 <daresbalat> it seems insane its so complicated
Nov 11 18:51:42 <vanguard> Linux is never easy.
Nov 11 18:51:54 <daresbalat> trhe weird thing is
Nov 11 18:52:04 <daresbalat> ive just been doing a complte migration for my parents
Nov 11 18:52:17 <daresbalat> the only thing thats beena  faff in all of it was xporting an outlook calendar
Nov 11 18:52:20 <daresbalat> and this
Nov 11 18:52:35 <daresbalat> its come a long way
Nov 11 18:53:01 <vanguard> Outlook, I think, this is explaining it.
Nov 11 18:53:17 <daresbalat> hehe
Nov 11 18:53:43 <daresbalat> i managed to dd to the pc ahrd drive by accident :o and destoyed my careful dual boot while i got everythign wokring
Nov 11 18:54:02 <daresbalat> the only way i could get it out was to isntall vmware, install office, upgrade office to 2007 and use the new calender export feature
Nov 11 18:54:24 <daresbalat> in 2003 to export a cal you need some external tool written in vbscript
Nov 11 18:54:27 <vanguard> DD ? Try partimage
Nov 11 18:54:27 <daresbalat> microsoft is a joke
Nov 11 18:54:46 <vanguard> Microsoft is a desease.
Nov 11 18:54:50 <daresbalat> yeah? is it a little less easy to break the whole world?
Nov 11 18:55:10 <daresbalat> at least their troubleshooting is easy. small problems reboot, big problems, reinstall
Nov 11 18:55:29 <vanguard> I only use Microsoft, when I am forced to.
Nov 11 18:56:04 <daresbalat> yerrr
Nov 11 18:56:26 <vanguard> It is a good playstation platform, nothing else.
Nov 11 18:56:46 <vanguard> :)
Nov 11 18:57:23 <daresbalat> hehe yeah my housemate only has windows coz he plays loads of games
Nov 11 18:57:36 <daresbalat> and cedega needs work
Nov 11 18:57:37 <daresbalat> a lot
Nov 11 18:57:44 <daresbalat> well really it needed to have no forked, but ya know
Nov 11 18:57:47 <daresbalat> not
Nov 11 18:58:24 <vanguard> The probleml is, you MUST buy it, when you get e new computer.
Nov 11 18:58:51 <vanguard> So I use it for playing, and use Linux for working.
Nov 11 18:59:10 <daresbalat> well
Nov 11 18:59:19 <daresbalat> i managed to find a laptop maker that didnt preinstall it :)
Nov 11 18:59:26 <daresbalat> theyre called novatech, real nice laptop
Nov 11 18:59:38 <daresbalat> only thing that doesnt work is the built in webcam, but not too fussed
Nov 11 18:59:51 <vanguard> Really ? Cool ! I had to take mine (but was guarantee) with windows.
Nov 11 19:00:05 <vanguard> Anyway, dual boot is helping.
Nov 11 19:00:09 <daresbalat> yeahh, little uk company too
Nov 11 19:00:18 <daresbalat> yeah i consider it from time to time it just makes me feel dirty :)
Nov 11 19:00:33 <daresbalat> every time i boot windows... its the little constant popups that i hate more than antyhing
Nov 11 19:01:00 <daresbalat> "we heard a rumour your PC is possibly at risk some of the time, click this button to maybe sort it"
Nov 11 19:01:05 <vanguard> Yes, and it is running so slow.
Nov 11 19:01:19 <daresbalat> yeahh
Nov 11 19:01:39 <daresbalat> right, time to stop looking at computers for the day :) catch ya tomorrow maybe?
Nov 11 19:02:11 <vanguard> My notebook has got an Nvidia card in it. This was my personal wish, as I use it for gaming, too. Linux drivers are running excellent !
Nov 11 19:02:35 <daresbalat> ah greattt. yeah mines got a dodgy intel,. theres always something i forget to check!
Nov 11 19:03:02 <vanguard> Acer Aspire 9300
Nov 11 19:03:11 <vanguard> You wanna leave ?
Nov 11 19:03:13 <daresbalat> yeah :)
Nov 11 19:03:17 <daresbalat> eye ache
Nov 11 19:04:04 <vanguard> O.k., then I am in the background.#
Nov 11 19:04:17 <daresbalat> alright, see ya soon :)
Nov 11 19:04:20 <daresbalat> thanks again
Nov 11 19:36:13 <dcordes> back
Nov 11 19:36:32 <dcordes> yo mimecar 
Nov 11 19:36:48 <mimecar> rehi dcordes
Nov 11 21:34:15 <mimecar> re
Nov 11 21:36:24 <summatusmentis> hey mimecar 
Nov 11 21:36:50 <mimecar> hi summatusmentis
Nov 11 21:36:55 <mimecar> good sunday night
Nov 11 21:40:02 <summatusmentis> lol, what timezone are you in?
Nov 11 21:40:21 <mimecar> GMT+1
Nov 11 21:40:53 <summatusmentis> so it's what, ~9:40 there?
Nov 11 21:41:05 <mimecar> 22:40
Nov 11 21:41:32 <summatusmentis> oh, wow, I forgot what timezone i was in :-D my parents live in GMT-5
Nov 11 21:41:38 <summatusmentis> I guess I'm GMT-6 here
Nov 11 21:43:30 <mimecar> xDD
Nov 11 21:43:33 <mimecar> good morning :P
Nov 11 21:46:04 <summatusmentis> it's 15:45, not morning :-P
Nov 11 21:50:23 <dcordes> damn those timezones
Nov 11 21:52:09 <summatusmentis> quidam: I like your nick, I thought about naming an internet company that I was considering starting "quidam solutoins"
Nov 11 21:55:21 <quidam> how much do i get 4 naming rights?
Nov 11 21:59:48 <quidam> never mind ill license my name under gpl
Nov 11 21:59:49 <summatusmentis> erm... none? it was discovered separately :-D
Nov 11 22:00:42 <dcordes> http://www.quidam.fr/
Nov 11 22:04:48 <quidam> darn those frenchies!!
Nov 11 22:06:54 <summatusmentis> but yeah, props on the nick
Nov 11 22:09:58 <dcordes> quidam: tu francais?
Nov 11 22:10:35 <quidam> un petit peu
Nov 11 22:11:21 <quidam> je parle
Nov 11 22:11:22 <dcordes> moi je suis un peu allemand
Nov 11 22:13:49 <mimecar> xDDD
Nov 11 22:15:43 <quidam> je suis berliner?
Nov 11 22:16:22 <quidam> ou peut etre une berliner
Nov 11 22:16:35 <dcordes> une berlinaise?
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