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Nov 15 06:49:21 <noosphere_> hey all.. i just got my new spitz. I went to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071024/updater.sh.spitz but it is forbidden... anyone know what I can do?
Nov 15 08:05:30 <XorA> noosphere_: download the installkit, everything is in there
Nov 15 08:11:02 <noosphere_> XorA, been a while! thanks, felt stupid... foung it.. got angstrom on the spitz now
Nov 15 08:11:03 <noosphere_> cheers
Nov 15 08:18:20 <Torpark_User> hello
Nov 15 08:19:17 <Torpark_User> anybody konow how to complie the mldonkey>
Nov 15 08:20:18 <XorA> not in OE at the moment
Nov 15 08:21:38 <Torpark_User> if possible in angstrom?
Nov 15 08:22:50 <XorA> there is co CAML compiler
Nov 15 08:22:53 <XorA> no
Nov 15 08:26:47 <Torpark_User> but there is amule occur in pdaxrom. why not mldonkey?
Nov 15 08:27:45 <XorA> amule is in C, mldonkey is in CAML, there is no CAML compiler
Nov 15 08:35:37 <Torpark_User> but occur a Version of mldonkey in nuls,they are all linux program,they are all Open source
Nov 15 08:36:25 <Torpark_User> isnt it can be made, not complied?
Nov 15 08:36:26 <koen> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717
Nov 15 08:36:46 <koen> that patch isn't in because it modifies slugos packages
Nov 15 08:37:33 <koen> and slugos is on my shitlist for their continous blackmail "you can't do <foo> or we won't switch to angstrom!!!!one!!!one"
Nov 15 08:45:11 * XorA isnt going to waste time on mldonkey, especially if an amule patch is in bugtracker
Nov 15 09:45:18 * hrw sent two rfc to ML
Nov 15 12:54:49 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/11/15/2623-on-tosa/
Nov 15 16:02:42 <Crofton> koen, +1 for uploading autobuilder images
Nov 15 16:03:02 <koen> Crofton: use the mailinglist :)
Nov 15 16:03:20 <Crofton> heh
Nov 15 16:03:29 <Crofton> it would be piling on at this point :)
Nov 15 16:03:43 <koen> it's good to see my bitching helped
Nov 15 16:03:51 <Crofton> heh
Nov 15 16:04:16 <Crofton> I like the idea of ipks and images coming from one build
Nov 15 16:04:21 <Crofton> or closer to one build
Nov 15 16:04:47 <koen> but I'm still pissed of by the nslu2 people trying to blackmail angstrom "you have to do <foo> or we won't use angstrom" and then doing nothing
Nov 15 16:05:06 <Crofton> it is a large workd
Nov 15 16:05:17 <Crofton> I doubt you can get everyone to agree on all points
Nov 15 16:05:22 <koen> I know
Nov 15 16:05:39 <Crofton> one distro to rule them, in the land of mordor, where the shadow lies
Nov 15 16:05:46 <Crofton> still a goal though
Nov 15 16:06:04 <koen> it's annoying that I was forced to sit on my hand by the nslu2 people for nothing
Nov 15 16:06:10 <Crofton> it is good to document the difficult points
Nov 15 16:06:44 <koen> instead of fixing bugs and working on infrastructure I was waiting for replies to RFCs
Nov 15 16:06:58 <Crofton> heh, that is a normal problem
Nov 15 16:07:24 <koen> well, the nslu2 people were the only people mandating RFCs 
Nov 15 16:07:37 * koen mumbles
Nov 15 16:07:41 <Crofton> We have the smae problem here
Nov 15 16:08:02 <Crofton> the current issue is people like to have IN PERSON MEETINGS to make decisions
Nov 15 16:08:18 <Crofton> then do not document what happened (if anything) in the meeting
Nov 15 16:08:19 <koen> and meeting to discuss meetings
Nov 15 16:08:32 <Crofton> so I stopped going to the meetings
Nov 15 16:08:32 <koen> and meetings to discuss the meetings that discuss meetings
Nov 15 16:08:54 <Crofton> I think the goal was to limit meetings to people that would agree with this guy
Nov 15 16:09:59 <Crofton> meetings are OK, as long as you document results and they do not turn into excuses not to do work
Nov 15 17:53:55 <hx2k> 8,2RP, hi
Nov 15 19:43:37 <mimecar> hi guys
Nov 15 19:48:04 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Nov 15 19:48:28 <mimecar> evening summatusmentis & koen
Nov 15 19:48:28 <summatusmentis> koen|awa1: what sorts of things does a machine mentor need to be able to do?
Nov 15 19:53:34 <dcordes> summatusmentis: you have to build, test and upload images every 2 weeks or so
Nov 15 19:54:37 <summatusmentis> dcordes: does it fall upon the machine mentor to fix bugs?
Nov 15 19:54:57 <dcordes> summatusmentis: I don't know
Nov 15 19:55:17 <dcordes> summatusmentis: what machine do you want to get mentor of?
Nov 15 19:55:23 <summatusmentis> 5500
Nov 15 19:55:36 <summatusmentis> mostly because I want to make sure the zaurus stays viable
Nov 15 19:55:48 <mimecar> i think you can submit a bug report
Nov 15 19:55:57 <dcordes> yes cool. Poke koen or so
Nov 15 19:56:36 <summatusmentis> I need to make sure I get OE setup. I used to have it up, then I got a new computer
Nov 15 19:56:55 <mimecar> summatusmentis: if you have questions, i'm compiling angstrom for collie
Nov 15 19:57:48 <summatusmentis> mimecar: I've had it up, I just have a macbook, and I'm trying to decide the best way to go about it
Nov 15 19:58:18 <dcordes> summatusmentis: powerpc one?
Nov 15 19:58:31 <mimecar> it's slower, but you can use vmware to build the system
Nov 15 19:58:42 <summatusmentis> dcordes: nope, core2duo
Nov 15 19:58:49 <dcordes> mimecar: eeeuuuhh slow
Nov 15 19:58:58 <mimecar> dcordes: :P
Nov 15 19:59:20 <dcordes> mimecar: damn those windows programs you need ^^
Nov 15 19:59:21 <mimecar> it's an option, slow, but it works
Nov 15 19:59:34 <mimecar> dcordes: i can compile while i'm working on windows
Nov 15 19:59:37 <summatusmentis> is it really that much slower? like, I thought the reason it was slow was because of I/O, and compiling doesn't need that much I/O
Nov 15 20:00:07 <mimecar> summatusmentis: you can compile image on other systems
Nov 15 20:00:29 <mimecar> you must use the system you "feel" better
Nov 15 20:00:47 <summatusmentis> ??
Nov 15 20:00:53 <dcordes> summatusmentis: if you have built the images once updating won't tkae too long
Nov 15 20:00:54 <mimecar> use the system you want
Nov 15 20:01:57 <summatusmentis> dcordes: right, I know, it's just a matter of HD space, and cpu power, and which way I want to do it
Nov 15 20:02:33 <mimecar> summatusmentis: 30 GB on my system with akita and collie builds
Nov 15 20:02:52 <summatusmentis> mimecar: I've got about 15GB currently
Nov 15 20:03:02 <summatusmentis> once I get a DL dvd, it'll be closer to 30
Nov 15 20:03:05 <mimecar> if you build akita, it can fit
Nov 15 20:03:15 <mimecar> only collie sorry
Nov 15 20:03:50 <summatusmentis> I've also got a terrier, but I'm not sure I want to be building for that
Nov 15 20:04:34 <mimecar> is terrier c3200?
Nov 15 20:05:01 <summatusmentis> yeah
Nov 15 20:06:54 <mimecar> summatusmentis: on collie, console image works with cf
Nov 15 20:07:20 <mimecar> x11-image flash but it can't start x11
Nov 15 20:07:38 <mimecar> on my compilation on last week
Nov 15 20:16:29 <summatusmentis> mimecar: do you know why it doesn't start?
Nov 15 20:16:40 <mimecar> i don't
Nov 15 20:17:02 <mimecar> I cimpile image, a friend of mine tested it
Nov 15 20:17:21 <summatusmentis> mm
Nov 15 20:17:41 <mimecar> I must test other build this weekend
Nov 15 20:19:23 <dcordes> summatusmentis: it is an issue with the matchbox session
Nov 15 20:19:59 <dcordes> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3231 confirm my bug so people see I'm not the only one with the x11 image problems
Nov 15 20:20:15 <dcordes> There's also a workaround
Nov 15 20:20:52 <summatusmentis> dcordes: I would, but I haven't tested it yet :-P I don't even have OE up
Nov 15 20:21:14 <dcordes> ah mimecar do you have an OE  buzilla account
Nov 15 20:21:21 <mimecar> yes
Nov 15 20:23:06 <mimecar> it looks i have an acoount on other server :P
Nov 15 20:24:18 <mimecar> dcordes: do the bug appears on akita?
Nov 15 20:27:30 <dcordes> mimecar: create one
Nov 15 20:27:41 <dcordes> mimecar: yes, see http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3231
Nov 15 20:27:41 <mimecar> dcordes: account created
Nov 15 20:28:01 <dcordes> cool, go there and file a comment describing the problem ok?
Nov 15 20:28:07 <dcordes> would be very kind
Nov 15 20:28:35 <mimecar> ok, I'll be able to do it tomorrow, i've work tonight
Nov 15 20:32:08 <mimecar> dcordes: what's your build's date?
Nov 15 20:32:51 <dcordes> Problems still occurs with current revisions (11-04-2007)
Nov 15 20:36:03 <mimecar> dcordes: is "revisiion" the last date the program is changed?
Nov 15 21:10:10 <dcordes> mimecar-dinner: the last image I built with the problem was on 11-04-2007
Nov 15 21:39:05 <mimecar> dcordes: i'll built a new image tomorrow
Nov 16 01:29:37 <noosphere> when I partition my spitz via NAND boot prior to installing angstrom, do I need to create 3 separate filesystems, or can I just have one big 6gig one for root?
Nov 16 01:33:41 <noosphere> spitz=terrier
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