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Dec 02 05:01:57 <gboutwell> I tried install angstrom on an iPAQ 3870 and after kernel boot I'm left with a blank white screen... :(
Dec 02 05:11:45 <cofeineSunshine> yes
Dec 02 05:11:59 <cofeineSunshine> there is no such thing as reboot on ipaq
Dec 02 05:12:08 <cofeineSunshine> try to remove battery for 15minutes
Dec 02 05:12:18 <cofeineSunshine> insert it back
Dec 02 05:12:23 <cofeineSunshine> gboutwell, 
Dec 02 05:13:21 <gboutwell> cofeineSunshine: ? Never had that problem with familiar on the same device.
Dec 02 05:13:29 <cofeineSunshine> had
Dec 02 05:13:33 <cofeineSunshine> on ipaq h2200
Dec 02 05:13:35 <cofeineSunshine> always
Dec 02 05:13:57 <cofeineSunshine> i always had
Dec 02 05:14:02 <cofeineSunshine> interesting
Dec 02 05:14:13 <gboutwell> So taking the battery out for 15 minutes, fixes the white screen boot-up on angstrom?
Dec 02 05:14:20 <cofeineSunshine> yes
Dec 02 05:14:32 <gboutwell> worth a try...
Dec 02 05:14:56 <cofeineSunshine> also fixes the situation when bluetooth and charge led both on
Dec 02 05:15:09 <cofeineSunshine> once i thought i bricked my device
Dec 02 05:15:16 <cofeineSunshine> left w/o battery
Dec 02 05:15:38 <cofeineSunshine> and after some time, inserted it and did reset
Dec 02 05:16:38 <Zero_Chaos> anyone have a good NAND image for akita?
Dec 02 05:17:56 <gboutwell> not sure I have ever removed the battery on my iPAQ... he he
Dec 02 05:17:57 <cofeineSunshine> me not
Dec 02 05:18:20 <cofeineSunshine> gboutwell, maybe 15min will be not enought
Dec 02 05:18:29 <cofeineSunshine> its better to wait more, than less;]
Dec 02 05:23:05 <bluelightning> you can't remove the battery on an h3800
Dec 02 05:23:28 <bluelightning> not without unsoldering anyway
Dec 02 05:23:31 <bluelightning> (AFAIK)
Dec 02 05:24:17 <cofeineSunshine> oh
Dec 02 05:27:25 <gboutwell> bluelightning: would waiting a good period of time with the device 'powered off' maybe have the same effect?
Dec 02 05:27:33 <Zero_Chaos> gboutwell: no
Dec 02 05:27:59 <Zero_Chaos> gboutwell: and the only time I have ever had that trick work is with my old collie and it takes a while, maybe 24 hours
Dec 02 05:28:00 <bluelightning> gboutwell: I think this problem is due to a buggy/incomplete kernel
Dec 02 05:28:08 <Zero_Chaos> gboutwell: you are waiting for the backup battery to die
Dec 02 05:29:01 <bluelightning> 2.6 just isn't ready for the h3600 architecture
Dec 02 05:29:20 <gboutwell> bluelightning: that sounds about right from an email I seen on the user-list when looking at it's recent archives
Dec 02 05:29:58 <gboutwell> :(
Dec 02 05:30:44 <gboutwell> How does one emulate an h3600 for (instance) for kernel development purposes?
Dec 02 07:03:26 <sbox> i have two packages one is cairo-directfb, the other is cairo.gtkfb image DEPENDS the former as staging. gtk needs the later.
Dec 02 07:04:45 <sbox> when i changed between the two images,i must rebuild one of them in order to get correct header files.
Dec 02 07:05:01 <sbox> is there any method to avoid this?
Dec 02 08:29:32 <koen> Zero_Chaos: you have seen http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/ , right?
Dec 02 08:45:29 <rwhitby> koen: Any idea why the .bin files are not being copied into http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/ixp4xxle/ and http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/ixp4xxbe/ ?
Dec 02 08:45:52 <rwhitby> (the nslu2-minimal-image should create two .bin files)
Dec 02 08:46:11 <rwhitby> and we can distribute those files now too, due to the new 2.4 version licensing of the ixp microcode.
Dec 02 08:50:57 <hvontres|home> koen: I moved my test images to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/unsupported-images/poodle/20071130/ for now
Dec 02 08:53:45 <hvontres|zzZZzz> n8 all
Dec 02 09:03:09 <koen> rwhitby: no idea, the autobuilder is just a dumb rsync of deploy/images
Dec 02 09:04:17 <rwhitby> koen: Hmm - any way I can see the log files of the build?
Dec 02 09:04:47 <koen> the logfiles are attached to the tinderbox
Dec 02 09:04:59 <koen> http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=Angstrom
Dec 02 09:05:56 <rwhitby> thx
Dec 02 09:08:11 <rwhitby> koen: since my RFC on ipkg, I had another thought - what about an 'ipk' DISTRO_FEATURE?
Dec 02 09:08:30 <rwhitby> (to automatically do what DISTRO_PACKAGE_MANAGER would otherwise do)
Dec 02 09:15:24 <koen> dunno
Dec 02 09:15:37 <koen> angstrom wants to support both .deb and .ipkg soon
Dec 02 09:15:46 <rwhitby> the proposed patch is http://pastebin.ca/803537
Dec 02 09:16:37 <rwhitby> the feature might be better called 'ipk' instead of 'ipkg', but you get the idea.
Dec 02 09:17:11 <koen> that kills .deb support :(
Dec 02 09:18:50 <rwhitby> don't you just add another feature called 'deb' with the same idea?
Dec 02 09:19:23 <rwhitby> koen: I don't understand why it kills .deb support - can you elaborate?
Dec 02 09:20:33 <rwhitby> koen: BTW, I was able to use apex-env in userland to switch the kernel cmdline on the NSLU2 to load rootfs direct from disk instead of from jffs2.  So the replacement of SlugOS functionality proceeds.
Dec 02 09:23:54 <koen> we use ANGSTROM_PKG_FORMAT for switching
Dec 02 09:24:24 <rwhitby> ok, I'll go back to the DISTRO_PACKAGE_MANAGER patch then.
Dec 02 09:55:52 <koen> bbl, parents are visiting
Dec 02 09:55:54 <rwhitby> koen: DISTRO_PACKAGE_MANAGER patch: http://pastebin.ca/803544
Dec 02 11:28:49 <readon> i have two packages one is cairo-directfb, the other is cairo.gtkfb image DEPENDS the former as  staging. gtk needs the later.
Dec 02 11:28:59 <readon> when i changed between the two images,i must rebuild one of them in order to get correct header  files.
Dec 02 11:29:08 <readon> is there any method to avoid this?
Dec 02 11:30:50 <cyrilRomain> 'morning 
Dec 02 12:11:42 <mimecar> hi
Dec 02 16:20:43 <schme`> I'm trying to build angstrom-2007.1 on openembedded here and I get install: cannot stat '/build/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnuabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/sunrpc/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.h': No such file or directory.
Dec 02 16:21:39 <mimecar> have you update monotone database ?
Dec 02 16:22:07 <schme`> Well I setup OE just a few hours ago and grabbed the database at that time.
Dec 02 16:22:11 <schme`> I'll try an update
Dec 02 16:42:17 <mimecar> schme`: can you fix the problem ?
Dec 02 16:43:10 <schme`> mimecar: I just did an update and now I'm trying to build again.
Dec 02 16:43:28 <mimecar> do you run "update" and "pull" ?
Dec 02 16:44:17 <schme`> I did   mtn --db=/stuff/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev && cd /stuff/org.openembedded.dev && mtn update
Dec 02 16:44:40 <schme`> I have no real idea what I'm doing. I'm just following the gettingstarted guide :)
Dec 02 16:45:16 <mimecar> schme`: enter on the folder you have uncompresed the org.openem....
Dec 02 16:45:25 <mimecar> mtn update; mtn pull
Dec 02 16:45:37 <mimecar> and exit the folder after the process
Dec 02 16:46:31 <mimecar> i don't remember now if pull is before or after update
Dec 02 16:46:56 <schme`> This is doing what the stuff in the guide did I think. atleast it gives me the same output :)
Dec 02 16:47:18 <schme`> already up to date
Dec 02 16:47:50 <schme`> The previous time I did it did seem to update things tho.
Dec 02 16:48:51 <schme`> Now I'm bakeing again.
Dec 02 16:51:59 <mimecar> hi dcordes
Dec 02 17:42:58 <tripolo> hi
Dec 02 18:21:31 <mimecar> how can install programs on sd ?
Dec 02 18:22:02 <mimecar> with ipkg install xmms -d sd , installation works, but not app appears
Dec 02 18:23:03 <schme`> Still the same error.
Dec 02 18:23:45 <mimecar> schme`: what's the machine you're compiling for?
Dec 02 18:24:48 <schme`> spitz
Dec 02 18:25:11 <schme`> DISTRO = "angstrom-2007.1"  MACHINE = "spitz"
Dec 02 18:25:28 <mimecar> ok
Dec 02 18:25:40 <mimecar> you can fix a bugreport and wait some days
Dec 02 18:26:39 <schme`> Yeah.. seems like the update didn't really solve it. thx for all the help :)
Dec 02 18:27:09 <mimecar> i haven't update monotone on a week, i  can't help you more
Dec 02 18:28:22 <schme`> The guide tells me that things change quite frequently.. so maybe it has went from working to not working during that week :)
Dec 02 18:28:30 <schme`> Or I messed up ;)
Dec 02 19:45:43 <gmad> Hy, I need help with failed u-boot instalation
Dec 02 19:45:59 <mimecar> are you installin angstrom ?
Dec 02 19:46:25 <gmad> no,
Dec 02 19:46:38 <gmad> but I don't know where to find help
Dec 02 19:46:51 <mimecar> have you ask on #pdaxrom ?
Dec 02 19:47:53 <gmad> ok. thanks!
Dec 02 19:49:06 <gmad> but there is not this channel
Dec 02 19:50:30 <CoreDump> gmad: if your u-boot is toast you are screwed
Dec 02 19:50:32 <mimecar> i don't know if it's on freenode or on another server
Dec 02 19:51:22 <gmad> ok. I found that I have to push Fn+D+M - what is it D & M ?
Dec 02 19:55:22 <gmad> mimecar: ???
Dec 02 19:57:44 <mimecar> d and m keys
Dec 02 19:57:53 <mimecar> that's used to enter on bios menu
Dec 02 19:58:01 <mimecar> is not related with u-boot
Dec 02 19:59:32 <gmad> whats button those are - regular D buton and M button?
Dec 02 20:00:04 <mimecar> yes
Dec 02 20:00:39 <gmad> I am pushing and nothing!
Dec 02 20:01:28 <mimecar> is not related with uboot, what do you want do ?
Dec 02 20:02:56 <gmad> I found information, taht in my situation I have to push Fn+D+M button. Look: http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/900
Dec 02 20:05:21 <gmad> I do not know how to use those buttons: should I push on/off and D+M ?
Dec 02 20:05:28 <gmad> or only D+M
Dec 02 20:07:34 <mimecar> what's the device you're using?
Dec 02 20:07:58 <gmad> SL-C1000
Dec 02 20:09:06 <mimecar> push reset
Dec 02 20:09:15 <mimecar> close the zaurus battery
Dec 02 20:09:30 <mimecar> at the same time. OK + power on
Dec 02 20:09:36 <mimecar> bios menu will appear
Dec 02 20:09:48 <mimecar> what do you want do ?
Dec 02 20:10:00 <gmad> I am doing it and nothing!
Dec 02 20:10:03 <mimecar> you can break zaurus if you work wih bios without knowledge
Dec 02 20:10:41 <gmad> like a stone
Dec 02 20:10:50 <mimecar> have you press reset ? (wtihout d m keys, that's for other model)
Dec 02 20:11:21 <gmad> yes
Dec 02 20:12:03 <mimecar> gmad: I enter on bios with that steps
Dec 02 20:12:36 <gmad> but in my zaurus all the time is the same - nothing, no reaction
Dec 02 20:12:59 <mimecar> have you installed uboot before ?
Dec 02 20:13:33 <gmad> I tried
Dec 02 20:13:52 <gmad> I performed all procedure
Dec 02 20:13:55 <mimecar> i don't know if uboot disable zaurus bios
Dec 02 20:14:05 <gmad> shit!
Dec 02 20:14:28 <gmad> am I right, that I broke my Z?
Dec 02 20:14:56 <mimecar> it should not
Dec 02 20:15:28 <gmad> so, what's happen? What shold I do to wakehim up?
Dec 02 20:15:48 <gmad> sorry, I am a little angry!
Dec 02 20:15:57 <mimecar> where're you form ?
Dec 02 20:16:11 <CoreDump> what the hell were you thinking messing with u-boot and having no idea what you are doing? A dead u-boot can very well brick your device.
Dec 02 20:16:39 <CoreDump> do you have too much money that you need to destroy a perfectly fine gadget? :\
Dec 02 20:17:31 <gmad> from Poland
Dec 02 20:17:42 <mimecar> CoreDump: do uboot modify bios access ?
Dec 02 20:18:04 <CoreDump> of course, it replaces the zaurus boot loader
Dec 02 20:18:17 <CoreDump> that is the sole point of u-boot
Dec 02 20:19:09 <gmad> Core-Dump: could you advice me something?
Dec 02 20:19:24 <CoreDump> There may be a way to recover it w/o JTAG, but you'd have to talk to folks that actually know what they are doing
Dec 02 20:20:06 <gmad> with who?
Dec 02 20:20:20 <schme`> I'm getting scared here. Is there any chance that a normal ångström install bricks a zaurus?
Dec 02 20:21:03 <CoreDump> schme`: no chance.
Dec 02 20:21:30 <CoreDump> gmad: The pdax folks that promote installing u-boot come to mind...
Dec 02 20:21:31 <schme`> CoreDump: Phew. Thanks :)
Dec 02 20:21:54 <CoreDump> RP: you there?
Dec 02 20:22:03 <RP> CoreDump: hi
Dec 02 20:22:08 <CoreDump> hey ;)
Dec 02 20:22:19 <gmad> CoreDump: it's possibe to do something with that?
Dec 02 20:22:33 <CoreDump> wasn't there the r/o ROM with recovery function on the Zs?
Dec 02 20:23:15 <RP> There is a lower level recovery than the normal reflash menu, yes
Dec 02 20:23:47 <CoreDump> I do have the feeling that gmad is going to need it
Dec 02 20:24:25 <gmad> how to do it?
Dec 02 20:25:06 <gmad> Super!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have something!
Dec 02 20:25:14 <RP> I'm failure sure it is the D+M keys but you need to get the combination of them and power on/off spot on
Dec 02 20:25:51 <RP> You can't actually destroy a C1000, just make it hard to recover...
Dec 02 20:30:43 <gmad> I removed battery, push D+M+Fn an plug AC. Now I have a kind of menu
Dec 02 20:32:05 <CoreDump> google says this should let you restore the NAND from a NAND backup
Dec 02 20:32:22 <gmad> how to do it?
Dec 02 20:32:29 <RP> trisoft.de was a good source of them
Dec 02 20:34:54 <gmad> I have something
Dec 02 20:35:00 <gmad> I am trying!
Dec 02 20:40:42 <CoreDump> hehe sounds like trisoft is pretty pissed about pdaxrom
Dec 02 20:44:20 <gmad> I am downloading nand backup. 
Dec 02 20:44:33 <schme`> Pardon my ignorance here but what on earth is u-boot good for?
Dec 02 20:44:47 <gmad> at the begining
Dec 02 20:44:51 <CoreDump> it is a different boot-loader, very flexible.
Dec 02 20:44:57 <gmad> I am polish Linux magazin journalist
Dec 02 20:45:10 <gmad> I am writing article about embeded Linux
Dec 02 20:45:16 <CoreDump> allows to natively boot via flash, SD, CF, HDD, NFS and so on
Dec 02 20:45:19 <schme`> gmad: cool!
Dec 02 20:45:30 <gmad> Now you know what I write about pdaXrom!
Dec 02 20:45:48 <rwhitby> u-boot is used, for instance, on the Neo1973 openmoko phone, and has allowed them to implement the standard USB Device Firmware Update standard in the bootloader.
Dec 02 20:46:02 <schme`> gmad: That one should really read up on stuff first, and that people are very helpful? ;)
Dec 02 20:46:19 <CoreDump> =)
Dec 02 20:46:21 <schme`> Oh I c.
Dec 02 20:46:34 <schme`> I have been browsing the u-boot website a bit and I didn't quite "get it".
Dec 02 20:47:22 <CoreDump> schme`: we don't need it on the Zs. The built-in boot-loader is ok for our uses.
Dec 02 20:47:38 <gmad> but I do everything basing on pdaXrom manual
Dec 02 20:47:56 <schme`> Ah excellent.
Dec 02 20:48:16 <gmad> they forgot to write about crashes in C-1000
Dec 02 20:48:24 * schme` is waiting for his c3200 here. A whole new world with all these distros and what not.
Dec 02 20:49:26 <CoreDump> gmad: did you verify the md5sums? A damaged download is problematic when dealing with firmware
Dec 02 20:49:29 <gmad> is here anybody frompland, czech or france?
Dec 02 20:49:34 <CoreDump> schme`: it's fun =)
Dec 02 20:49:45 * CoreDump will BBL
Dec 02 20:49:45 <gmad> I did it - I always do it
Dec 02 20:50:18 <gmad> from Poland, France, Czech
Dec 02 20:50:34 <gmad> or you know Linux+ magazine
Dec 02 20:50:52 <schme`> CoreDump: It sure is. :)
Dec 02 20:51:23 <gmad> CoreDump: where are you from?
Dec 02 20:52:43 <CoreDump> germany
Dec 02 20:53:07 <CoreDump> anyway, got to get some food, bbl
Dec 02 20:53:11 <gmad> Germany: I thin you have also L+
Dec 02 20:53:29 <gmad> tahnks a lot for nice chat and help!
Dec 02 20:53:40 <gmad> you wewe very usefull
Dec 02 21:13:18 <mimecar> re
Dec 02 21:35:47 <gmad> CoreDump: are you here?
Dec 02 21:36:32 <gmad> I have problem with NAND restore
Dec 02 21:40:08 <CoreDump> I am now
Dec 02 21:42:08 <CoreDump> to restore you need a FAT16 CD card and the image must be properly named. The trisoft site does have a howto somewhere
Dec 02 21:45:01 <gmad> yes I know, but all the time NAND restora talks that file not exists
Dec 02 21:45:33 <gmad> but I am sure, that file is named corectly
Dec 02 21:47:47 <gmad> fat16 it is msdos or vfat in linux?
Dec 02 21:47:58 <CoreDump> vfat
Dec 02 21:48:33 <CoreDump> mkfs.vfat -F16
Dec 02 21:48:54 <CoreDump> maybe try another card?
Dec 02 21:49:56 <gmad> it's possible, that 1GB SD card is not correct?
Dec 02 21:50:23 <CoreDump> it might be the card does not work correctly in the Z
Dec 02 21:50:49 <gmad> when my Z works normal this card works normal also
Dec 02 21:53:04 <CoreDump> try formatting it with a digital camera
Dec 02 21:53:39 <gmad> I done it
Dec 02 21:57:39 <gmad> I found in service menu position SD Card, which perform read/write test and something goes wrong with my two cards
Dec 02 21:58:26 <gmad> I get "no free sector[-1]"
Dec 02 21:58:37 <gmad> what ever it means...
Dec 02 22:00:08 <gmad> It's too late to do something today. I will try with CF Card tomorrow
Dec 02 22:00:20 <summatusmentis> ok, I know I've asked this a couple of times, but I just want to make sure. I'm thinking about mentoring for 5500, but I don't have the coding skills to fix the bugs, is this acceptable in a mentor position?
Dec 02 22:00:42 <CoreDump> yeah
Dec 02 22:01:18 <summatusmentis> even when Angstrom is trying to release?
Dec 02 22:01:52 <CoreDump> you don't need to be a coder to test and polish h
Dec 02 22:01:56 <CoreDump> the images
Dec 02 22:07:55 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: alright, I suppose, except that for the 5500 a fair amount of bugs are still open
Dec 02 22:09:29 <CoreDump> right
Dec 02 22:20:38 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: so then... if Angstrom is in the middle of trying to release, a mentor without coding experience to fix the bugs, in order to polish the images, is not productive
Dec 02 22:21:06 <CoreDump> it would be more productive than having no mentor at all IMO
Dec 02 22:22:37 <summatusmentis> hrm... I suppose
Dec 03 01:03:50 <niv_one_three> ~seen mr_nice
Dec 03 02:46:38 <readon> what does PACKAGES_DYNAMIC used for? the manual did not contain any info on that.
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