**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:56 2007
Dec 05 05:58:08 <DaedalusX> well that's irritating. I ipkg upgraded and suddenly matchbox doesn't wanna start anymore.
Dec 05 06:13:22 <DaedalusX> reallly irritating
Dec 05 06:23:14 <DaedalusX> hey summatusmentis 
Dec 05 07:47:18 <CoreDump> does anyone here remember the keycombo to boot a spitz into rescue mode?
Dec 05 07:52:13 <CoreDump> nm, got it
Dec 05 08:07:10 <readon> Xordoes wifi & bluetooth become default features of angstrom? i assign MACHINE_FEATURES = "ext2" but wifi & bluetooth was included.
Dec 05 08:07:17 <readon> XorA: does wifi & bluetooth become default features of angstrom? i assign MACHINE_FEATURES = "ext2" but wifi & bluetooth was included.
Dec 05 08:25:41 <CoreDump> Zero_Chaos: could you have a look at oebug 2124 when you have a minute?
Dec 05 08:25:47 <CoreDump> !oebug 2124
Dec 05 08:34:14 <readon> !oebug 2124
Dec 05 08:34:19 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2124, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-18 09:33
Dec 05 08:34:21 <cdbot2> * * bugzilla(AT)stalag99.net: Angstrom on akita can&apos;t login via gpe-login/xdm
Dec 05 08:34:23 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2124
Dec 05 09:31:44 <lumag|away> hi!
Dec 05 09:41:11 <aron> !logs
Dec 05 09:41:12 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
Dec 05 09:41:13 <aron> oops
Dec 05 09:41:13 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
Dec 05 09:41:14 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Dec 05 09:41:16 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
Dec 05 09:41:18 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Dec 05 11:09:22 <ffc> Koen: I generated a qemuarm Angstrom distro with 2.6.23 kernel version. I set IPv6 and MIPv6 options to 'y' in defconfig. I also set IPv6 and mipv6 on DISTRO_FEATURES for Angstrom distro
Dec 05 11:09:56 <koen> what does DISTRO_FEATURES have to do with it?
Dec 05 11:10:22 <ffc> I supposed it was mandatory for enabling mipv6 :-(
Dec 05 11:10:44 <koen> it isn't
Dec 05 11:11:15 <ffc> I've tried to run /etc/init.d/mobile-ip6 start
Dec 05 11:11:29 <ffc> with no success
Dec 05 11:11:50 <ffc> "Module mip6_base not found"
Dec 05 11:11:55 <ffc> "Module mip6_ha not found"
Dec 05 11:13:11 <ffc> And it seems /proc/sys/net/ipv6/mobility doesn't exist
Dec 05 11:13:22 <ffc> so... mipv6 is not enabled :-(
Dec 05 11:14:03 <koen> is mip6.ko loaded?
Dec 05 11:15:31 <ffc> no it isn't
Dec 05 11:16:01 <koen> which version of mipl do you have installed? 2.0.2?
Dec 05 11:17:26 <ffc> can it be 2.4.26?
Dec 05 11:18:39 <ffc> should mip6.ko be loaded? I set MIPv6 support to 'y' not 'm'
Dec 05 11:20:24 <koen> the 2.4.26 is the 1.x version
Dec 05 11:20:26 <koen> quite old
Dec 05 11:21:26 <ffc> I'm using OE 0.35
Dec 05 11:21:38 <ffc> Oe for monotone 0.35 I mean
Dec 05 11:22:31 <koen> which revision does bitbake report?
Dec 05 11:23:57 <koen> it should say:
Dec 05 11:23:58 <koen> OE_REVISION    = "575e3741db66260805f359854a0513606534de50"
Dec 05 11:27:49 <ffc> how can I check this?
Dec 05 11:28:22 <koen> 'bitbake foo'
Dec 05 11:29:23 <ffc> OE_REVISION    = "006b4b476a2d10096cd102f047aff7aaca8a9a6b"
Dec 05 11:31:14 <koen> that's quite old
Dec 05 11:31:22 <koen> time you do 'mtn pull ; mtn up'
Dec 05 11:32:00 <ffc> ok, I've to check it because mtn pull always gives me an error
Dec 05 11:32:08 <ffc> maybe a proxy issue
Dec 05 11:35:42 <ffc> I've just seen a post of yours about it
Dec 05 14:49:03 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump: checking now
Dec 05 14:53:29 <hrw> Zero_Chaos: akita updater?
Dec 05 14:54:16 <Zero_Chaos> hrw: last night it didn't work, I meant I was checking bug 2124 (which I have not yet)
Dec 05 14:54:47 <hrw> sharp way of updating kernels is argh
Dec 05 14:55:08 <Zero_Chaos> hrw: yeah, it's not that anymore.  that was fixed last night.
Dec 05 14:55:31 <Zero_Chaos> hrw: two major bugs in updater.sh that I know of.  1, you can't flash from a case sensative filesystem.
Dec 05 14:56:09 <Zero_Chaos> hrw: second, the akita doesn't update.  now the kernel flashes, but get some wild jffs_scan_erase_block (or something) errors fill the screen
Dec 05 14:56:17 <hrw> ok
Dec 05 14:56:25 <hrw> CoreDump did some fixing for akita
Dec 05 14:56:31 <koen> wasn't the casesensitive problem fixed?
Dec 05 14:56:36 <Zero_Chaos> hrw: I know, I was testing with him last night
Dec 05 14:56:49 <Zero_Chaos> koen: no... it wasn't.
Dec 05 14:56:52 <hrw> and case sensitive was fixed by iirc koen
Dec 05 14:57:07 <Zero_Chaos> fixed requires a test guys, it doesn't work
Dec 05 14:57:18 <hrw> ok
Dec 05 14:57:35 <koen> it works, because it doesn't have a bugreport ;)
Dec 05 14:58:08 <Zero_Chaos> koen: there is so much work to do on updater.sh that I don't care enough to provide bugtracker info.
Dec 05 14:58:28 <koen> which means we don't care enough to fix it
Dec 05 14:59:34 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump: bug closed, fixed. tested and confirmed
Dec 05 15:01:37 <Zero_Chaos> koen: I've been working with you, hrw, and CoreDump on this issue, investing quite a bit of time.  I seem to believe that you do care to fix it ;-)
Dec 05 15:02:32 <koen> my interest rapidly approaches subzero when people start refusing to file bugs
Dec 05 15:04:13 <Zero_Chaos> koen: I didn't file a bug because I have been working on it with someone almost everyday for two weeks.  And your interest on a working updater should not approach subzero when a release is coming out...
Dec 05 15:04:35 <koen> the old one works
Dec 05 15:54:59 <lumag> bye!
Dec 05 17:58:20 <mimecar> hi
Dec 05 18:04:42 <hrw> hi mimecar 
Dec 05 18:04:53 <mimecar> hi hrw
Dec 05 18:05:27 <mimecar> hrw: I didn't understand your question on gpe mailing list, was the response you wanted ?
Dec 05 18:06:33 <hrw> yes
Dec 05 18:06:41 <mimecar> ok :)
Dec 05 18:07:07 <hrw> gpe use mb-desktop1 which is not supported anymore
Dec 05 18:07:33 <mimecar> i know there's some work with matchbox2
Dec 05 18:07:57 <mimecar> but i couldn't get a working version to modify
Dec 05 18:12:11 <mimecar> hrw: is there a binay or source code of mb-desktop2 ?
Dec 05 18:12:25 <hrw> source is in OH svn
Dec 05 18:12:32 <mimecar> ok
Dec 05 18:13:06 <mimecar> i'll fetch when i change to linux on my laptop , thanks
Dec 05 18:23:29 <hrw> OE also can build it of course
Dec 05 18:25:51 <mimecar> is linux distro on handhelds a good alternative ?
Dec 05 18:26:16 <mimecar> i feel we have a working system ,but there's a mixture of programs
Dec 05 18:27:50 <mimecar> what do you think about this?
Dec 05 18:28:09 <hrw> it is hard to produce integrated environment
Dec 05 18:29:37 <mimecar> i know, but i'm lacking some programs are basic programs on other platforms
Dec 05 18:29:50 <hrw> like ones?
Dec 05 18:30:43 <mimecar> password program, projects (hours used on all the steps of a project), graphic viewers, multimedia..
Dec 05 18:31:01 <mimecar> you've alternatives, but you must install many dependences
Dec 05 18:31:19 <mimecar> and some handhelds are handhelds, not desktop computer
Dec 05 18:31:48 <hrw> yep
Dec 05 18:32:02 <mimecar> translations without "download packages, install x, update...."
Dec 05 18:33:12 <hrw> and thats why I do not use pda anymore
Dec 05 18:33:33 <mimecar> you work with laptops only?
Dec 05 18:33:57 <hrw> no - desktop only
Dec 05 18:34:09 <hrw> for contacts/events/todos/notes I use my cellphone
Dec 05 18:34:11 <mimecar> ok
Dec 05 18:34:28 <mimecar> if i do the same, i won't use the handheld
Dec 05 18:34:53 <hrw> I use c760 for testing poky builds, neo1973/gta01 for testing openmoko
Dec 05 18:35:05 <hrw> nokia770 for playing games usually
Dec 05 18:35:56 <mimecar> my 6600 for games (gameboy advance) and both zaurus to develop (c1000 is the handheld i use usually)
Dec 05 18:36:49 <mimecar> some day i'll change to neo
Dec 05 18:38:33 <mimecar> every project works with linux and handhelds re-develop all the system
Dec 05 18:39:05 <hrw> yep ;(
Dec 05 18:39:58 <mimecar> for example, pim apps of gpe and pimlico apps
Dec 05 18:40:03 <mimecar> both have good features
Dec 05 18:40:26 <mimecar> but they are 2 projects
Dec 05 18:40:42 <mimecar> for other apps (i tell you before) there's not any project
Dec 05 18:41:16 <mimecar> it's a fight on some apps sectors and forget the other sectors
Dec 05 18:41:55 <hrw> agreed
Dec 05 18:42:08 <hrw> but there are also other targets for both of them
Dec 05 18:42:20 <mimecar> yes
Dec 05 18:42:36 <hrw> pimlico targets only VGA+ displays when gpe tries to work on everything
Dec 05 18:43:08 <mimecar> that's true
Dec 05 18:44:14 <mimecar> hi gmad
Dec 05 18:44:49 <hrw> time for coffee
Dec 05 18:44:56 <mimecar> ok...
Dec 05 18:44:58 <gmad> hello!
Dec 05 18:45:10 <gmad> I'm glad to see you
Dec 05 18:45:29 <gmad> I can't to set usb net 
Dec 05 18:45:50 <gmad> would you like to help me, please?
Dec 05 18:45:58 <mimecar> could you reflash and boot your akita ?
Dec 05 18:46:05 <gmad> yes it is
Dec 05 18:46:13 <mimecar> good work
Dec 05 18:46:29 <gmad> I found info how to format ROM
Dec 05 18:46:41 <gmad> Now I am playing with Angstrom
Dec 05 18:46:45 <mimecar> i use this page guide => http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08.html
Dec 05 18:46:50 <mimecar> for usb networking
Dec 05 18:46:57 <gmad> I dream about xfce
Dec 05 18:47:37 <hrw> I dream about electric sheeps
Dec 05 18:47:52 <mimecar> i dream with teletubies
Dec 05 18:48:45 <hrw> teletubbies... argh
Dec 05 18:48:49 <mimecar> hrw: are o-hands apps develop with C ?
Dec 05 18:48:55 <hrw> yes
Dec 05 18:49:51 <gmad> mimecar: ifup: not found ???
Dec 05 18:49:55 <mimecar> i'm working with python now, C looks some "hard" 
Dec 05 18:49:59 <mimecar> gmad: su -
Dec 05 18:50:11 <mimecar> althought i develop with c on my work
Dec 05 18:51:19 <gmad> mimecar: usbd0: No such device - ???
Dec 05 18:51:31 <mimecar> change usbd0 with usb0
Dec 05 18:51:47 <mimecar> that's a mistake on the guide (for actual systems)
Dec 05 18:52:04 <gmad> mimecar: usbd0: No wireless extensions
Dec 05 18:52:29 <mimecar> do you want use usbnet with wireless card ?
Dec 05 18:53:41 <gmad> no
Dec 05 18:54:27 <mimecar> first open a console and linux, root user and "tail -f /var/log/message"
Dec 05 18:54:46 <mimecar> plug your zaurus and paste the lines appear
Dec 05 18:54:48 <gmad> I have usb0 on PC
Dec 05 18:55:21 <mimecar> have you read the guide i paste?
Dec 05 18:55:51 <gmad> yes...
Dec 05 18:55:51 <mimecar> hrw: do you use some ide or "vi and make" ?
Dec 05 18:56:14 <gmad> sorry, I do not understand you
Dec 05 18:56:32 <mimecar> i paste a link to a guide, ok ?
Dec 05 18:56:39 <gmad> ok
Dec 05 18:56:53 <mimecar> have you read it?
Dec 05 18:56:57 <gmad> yes
Dec 05 18:57:05 <mimecar> ok
Dec 05 18:57:25 <gmad> I found the same information in many others 
Dec 05 18:57:30 <mimecar> you plug your zaurus and on pc side "ifconfig -a"
Dec 05 18:58:01 <gmad> usb0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 1E:F6:5B:13:71:EC
Dec 05 18:58:26 <mimecar> on pc side?
Dec 05 18:59:09 <gmad> yes it is
Dec 05 18:59:23 <mimecar> on pc side: ifup 192.168....
Dec 05 18:59:40 <mimecar> ifup usb0 192.168...
Dec 05 19:00:23 <mimecar> or ifconfig usb0 up...
Dec 05 19:00:29 <gmad> yes
Dec 05 19:01:09 <mimecar> works?
Dec 05 19:01:13 <hrw> mimecar: I am gvim powered
Dec 05 19:01:27 <mimecar> an old school user
Dec 05 19:02:09 <hrw> :D
Dec 05 19:02:29 <mimecar> i use nano or scite
Dec 05 19:02:55 <mimecar> usually scite, it works on linux and windows
Dec 05 19:04:52 <hrw> bye
Dec 05 19:05:00 <mimecar> bye
Dec 05 19:06:18 <gmad> on Network setup in Z should I configure usb0 or usbd0 ?
Dec 05 19:06:39 <mimecar> check both, only one works
Dec 05 19:07:13 <gmad> becouse in manual they write about usb0
Dec 05 19:10:58 <mimecar> ok
Dec 05 19:16:05 <lumag> hi
Dec 05 19:16:19 <mimecar> hi lumag
Dec 05 19:20:38 <mimecar> gmad: do you get results ?
Dec 05 19:22:02 <gmad> no, ...
Dec 05 19:22:30 <gmad> now after something I haven't even usb0 on PC
Dec 05 19:22:40 <gmad> I try to rebot Zaurus
Dec 05 19:25:32 <gmad> after Z reboot I have usb0 again...
Dec 05 19:26:02 <mimeca1> ok
Dec 05 19:28:31 <gmad> again - on Z usbd0 : no such device ...
Dec 05 19:35:58 <mimeca1> and usb0 ?
Dec 05 19:42:34 <gmad> mimeca1: usb0 only no wireless extension, but works
Dec 05 19:42:54 <mimeca1> it's not a wireless card
Dec 05 19:43:10 <mimeca1> if works, follow with the guide
Dec 05 19:43:57 <gmad> tomorrow, I have to finish. by!
Dec 05 19:44:04 <mimeca1> ok bye
Dec 05 21:45:02 <likewise> hello
Dec 05 21:45:08 <likewise> Q: What is the reason for 
Dec 05 21:45:19 <likewise> Q: What is the reason for PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc-intermediate_i686 ?= "2.4" instead of "2.5" (whoops)
Dec 06 01:21:24 <lumag> bye
Dec 06 02:42:54 <Zero_Chaos> what file are the feeds stored in (on the Z)?
Dec 06 02:43:58 <CoreDump> /etc/ipgk/*feed.conf
Dec 06 02:44:27 <Zero_Chaos> I added something in the package manager and it shows in /etc/ipkg/feeds.conf
Dec 06 02:44:40 <Zero_Chaos> if I want that to be the only feed, can I rm the rest?
Dec 06 02:46:53 <CoreDump> sure
Dec 06 02:47:43 <Zero_Chaos> cool
Dec 06 02:48:19 <Zero_Chaos> now when I "ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" it goes nuts a while and then says "nothing to be done".  This means that I have not build any more updated packages correct?
Dec 06 02:49:01 <Zero_Chaos> I heard someone say that angstrom-2007.1 had a bunch of older packages and they upgraded a lot, I am guessing that I never built any of the upgraded packages so it finds nothing to upgrade... about right?
Dec 06 02:51:09 <CoreDump> right
Dec 06 02:52:26 <Zero_Chaos> hmm, not quite though, because when I update it shows none of the packages that I have built but didn't install....
Dec 06 02:53:07 <CoreDump> ?
Dec 06 02:53:14 <CoreDump> update only shows feed urls
Dec 06 02:53:40 <CoreDump> and upgrade obviously doesn't pull in anything that wasn't installed before
Dec 06 02:54:09 <Zero_Chaos> no I know, but when I go to the package manager (gpe) and tell it to only show me not installed, I see nothing.
Dec 06 02:54:20 <Zero_Chaos> but I know there are things that are built that I didn't include in my image
Dec 06 02:54:50 <CoreDump> well, dunno. Never used the GUI
Dec 06 02:55:04 <CoreDump> ipkg install $previously-uninstalled-package
Dec 06 02:55:14 <Zero_Chaos> heh, but I don't know the name of the module I need to install off the top of my head :-)
Dec 06 02:55:36 <Zero_Chaos> I always like aqpkg, and opie-package, but gpe-package hurts my feelings
Dec 06 02:56:12 <CoreDump> you could always grep tha downloaded Packages files
Dec 06 02:57:06 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump: I could always ls on my host too, but I figured the package manager worked better than it does
Dec 06 02:57:27 <CoreDump> all GUIs for ipkg are crap
Dec 06 02:57:43 <CoreDump> the ipkg commandline util is only slightly less crappier
Dec 06 02:59:00 <Zero_Chaos> the CLI version throws a LOT of debug info to the screen... I don't recall that.
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