**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 17 02:59:57 2007 Dec 17 05:19:04 hum anybody tried the xmms package? Dec 17 05:31:09 so nice to see this on a pda Dec 17 05:32:54 Hi ppl, ne1 here ? I have a question on the Angstrom/OE build distribution ... Dec 17 05:34:47 I am trying to find out which kernel version gets built or which one does OE use in the build ? How does one control that if I want to build my own patched kernel (I want to patch linux-rp-2.6.23 with android.diff). Where can I find the source for linux-rp-2.6.23 in the Angstrom distribution ? My ultimate goal is to get Android running on my SL-C750. I've seen the blog on euedge.com Dec 17 05:46:53 nishinigam wait for coredump to be online he might be able to answer you Dec 17 05:47:09 i'm going to build bitbake and OE soon but no experience with it yet Dec 17 05:49:24 ok, great, thx pixelized ... same here, its my first attempt. I am also getting some errors on my SuSE Enterprise 10.1 Development box ... when I try to do bitbake nano ... errors related to sqlite3 and python-pysqlite2 libraries ... I've installed sqlite3 ... now looking for pythin-pysqlite2 ... Dec 17 05:54:22 heheh Dec 17 05:54:33 well right now my laptop and desktop don't have a linux install anymore Dec 17 05:54:42 so there is only my way old 500Mhz server that runs linux Dec 17 05:54:47 so compiling on that takes a while lol Dec 17 05:55:00 oh ok :) all the best ... Dec 17 05:55:27 hehehe Dec 17 05:55:30 mind you when i get to work Dec 17 05:55:37 i have nice servers i could load it on Dec 17 05:55:47 neat Dec 17 05:56:39 i wonder what is wrong with the firefox package Dec 17 05:56:48 i'd really like to have a go at it myself later on Dec 17 06:10:23 yes, a first hand experience is always good Dec 17 06:19:06 hum Dec 17 06:38:27 hum spitz doesn't seem to have framebuffer or bvdd =( Dec 17 08:04:31 any poodle users here ? Dec 17 08:05:55 im liking the latest x11 poodle image ;) nice and fast too Dec 17 08:15:28 Just got my sound working on poodle, its nice image, yes :) Dec 17 08:22:49 Nap time, though before I try and track down a few minor bugs Dec 17 08:43:58 anyone know how to get wifi working on lastest poodle build ? Dec 17 08:59:42 anyone got wifi working on poodle x11 image ? Dec 17 09:03:11 which wifi? Dec 17 09:59:02 hi ive installed hostap modules and checked prism3 fw is installed but i still cant get my wifi card working Dec 17 09:59:14 ifup wlan0 = no device Dec 17 10:05:55 my irc keeps disconnecting Dec 17 10:06:38 if anyone can get wifi working on poodle plz contact me on msn @ rezahatami@hotmail.com Dec 17 10:44:51 does anybody use scratchbox for cross development? I've got problems with "sb-conf install -c" Dec 17 10:49:27 ffc: very off shot, but ask in #neuros ? Dec 17 10:53:59 neuros? I need to cross-dev angstrom using scratchbox Dec 17 10:56:03 scratchbox? fu Dec 17 10:58:07 ffc: just I know some guys in there know scracthbox well Dec 17 11:01:19 hrw: ?? Dec 17 11:01:20 I don't think anybody here uses scratchbox to build angstrom... Dec 17 11:01:37 not to build angstrom... jut for tool development Dec 17 11:01:51 but I'm open for other ways Dec 17 11:05:39 CoreDump: is there any other way for cross-dev Angstrom? Dec 17 11:06:06 angstrom is build via OE Dec 17 11:06:55 yes, I know Dec 17 11:07:23 so, is it safe to use ext3 on a flash device, or should I use a non-journaled FS (due to journal writes)? Dec 17 11:08:12 but with scratchbox you can code and test, right? Dec 17 11:09:20 carbonfreeze: I'd use ext2, or be prepared to replace that flash device in a year or so, then ext3 is ok Dec 17 11:09:33 CoreDump: Thanks Dec 17 11:09:58 ffc: no one here uses scratchbox, you can do that with OE so there is no point in even trying Dec 17 11:10:11 I see Dec 17 11:12:01 But with OE, you'd have to bitbake and then copy to the device in order to test it... Dec 17 11:12:08 hi all! Dec 17 11:12:41 * ffc is a complete OE/Angstrom newbie so he surely knows nothing at all Dec 17 11:16:42 ffc: to device? you can test in qemu as well Dec 17 11:17:36 or compile the stuff you are working on for x86 ;) Dec 17 11:18:45 Yes you're right Dec 17 11:19:34 at the end, scratchbox uses qemu for cross-dev as well Dec 17 11:19:45 CoreDump: s/x86/host Dec 17 11:20:08 hrw: true, but what else is there these days? Dec 17 11:21:35 I use x86-64 Dec 17 11:22:04 well, not too much of a difference Dec 17 11:22:35 I'm getting a new 64 Bit box and will run 32 Bit Debian on it. Dec 17 11:24:15 I have 64bit machine and run 64bit debian on it Dec 17 11:24:52 Maybe I'll switch in a year or two. Currently it sure ain't worth the trouble Dec 17 11:24:56 changing to 64 bit is hard Dec 17 11:25:10 too much trouble, you're right CoreDump Dec 17 11:25:54 I changed to 64 bit in a Core 2 Duo, but after a few weeks it changed back Dec 17 11:26:15 unless your running over 4gb, its not worth the overhead, IMO Dec 17 11:26:21 And I agree the system run better in 64 bits Dec 17 11:27:00 there's still a lot of packages missing Dec 17 11:29:40 carbonfreeze: dude, this "4GB" limit crap is pure MS Windows nonsense. MS just doesn't want you to use 4GB on a 32 Bit system (XP) and wants you to bloody buy 64 Bit Vista Dec 17 11:30:07 4+GB on 32Bit has been working for _years_ on any other OS Dec 17 11:32:13 CoreDump: I'm talking about process memory useage issues, running 64bit apps on a machine >4gb is going to net you an increase in memory useage without a major benefit (that I can think of) Dec 17 11:33:19 ex if you compare the same binaries, one compiled for 64 vs 686, the 64bit binary is going to have slightly increased memory useage due to 64bit addressing or somesuch (IIRC) Dec 17 11:37:54 carbonfreeze: to my knowledge that happens with all memory configurations simply due to the 64Bit addressing (but I could be wrong). Dec 17 11:38:51 CoreDump: Right, so why use 64bit if your not using huge amounts of memory? I'm trying to discover the benefit? Dec 17 11:39:52 apart from the "64 Bit is faster" nonsense? Can't find any ;) Dec 17 11:42:51 CoreDump: I've compared 32 bit and 64 bit version of Ubuntu Feisty and 64 bit version was crearly faster. But it can be because of loading less modules Dec 17 11:44:40 define "faster" Dec 17 11:45:36 funrolloops ftw Dec 17 11:45:51 well, it booted in less time, and desktop seemed to me to run smoother Dec 17 11:46:07 but as I've said, it can be for many reasons Dec 17 11:48:02 Anyway, the lack of some packages makes me prefer 32 bit version Dec 17 11:49:17 I shall investigate the situation in a couple of years Maybe then it will be time for the switch Dec 17 11:51:10 8bit to 16bit.... 16bit to 32bit... those were changes :-D Dec 17 11:51:47 * ffc remembers his good old Commodore Amiga 500 .... sniff Dec 17 11:52:39 * CoreDump remembers his trusty A1200 *sniff* Dec 17 11:53:07 LOL Dec 17 11:53:53 with 10Mb of RAM and 100Mb HDD =) Dec 17 11:55:25 My poor little A500 with 1 Mb RAM and no hard disk :-D Dec 17 11:55:40 you were lucky Dec 17 11:56:07 before that I had an A600 with 2Mb of RAM and no HDD Dec 17 13:07:44 a1200 with 68040/40 + 64MB FastRAM and 17GB hdd (via FastATA controler) Dec 17 13:08:00 and ethernet card in pcmcia slot Dec 17 13:08:31 hrw: your way to posh for this channel Dec 17 13:08:47 ;D Dec 17 13:09:04 XorA|gone: but you will at least have armv6 hardware soon Dec 17 13:09:15 and I have to use qemu for it Dec 17 13:48:34 ipaq-slee is one buggy piece of sh*t Dec 17 13:48:44 *ipaq-sleep Dec 17 13:51:39 hrw, next time you are in London at openhanded with nav software, I have a test address for you :) Dec 17 13:51:50 I need a picture of the house my mother grew up in . Dec 17 13:53:10 * Crofton|home promises to run the OSK images by the end of the week ... Dec 17 13:54:29 Crofton|home: address? Dec 17 13:54:42 Crofton|home: maybe someone from OH will make it for you Dec 17 13:57:02 7 Buckthorne Rd, Crofton Park Dec 17 13:57:20 * Crofton|home should check with his mother Dec 17 13:57:43 last summer my father took pictures of the two houses we lived in when we lived in Canada Dec 17 13:59:46 We need an idiots guide to Angstrom, showing how to load new ipks after you have installed a basic image Dec 17 14:00:33 Crofton|home: no such street in google maps Dec 17 14:01:00 buckthorne Lane maybe Dec 17 14:03:27 you do not have postcode for it? Dec 17 14:04:40 no Dec 17 14:04:44 I'll have to look later Dec 17 14:04:54 also need to check with my mother for exct number Dec 17 14:05:02 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=305099 Dec 17 14:05:04 has 8 Dec 17 14:05:11 in UK it is easier to find by postcodes Dec 17 14:05:16 yeah Dec 17 14:05:28 ok, have to go Dec 17 14:05:29 bye Dec 17 14:05:35 My grandmother left tehre in 75 so I forget the postcode :) Dec 17 14:05:37 bye Dec 17 14:28:09 apart from the "64 Bit is faster" nonsense? Can't find any ;) Dec 17 14:28:20 64-bit is faster becase it has more registers Dec 17 14:30:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_64#Architectural_features Dec 17 14:32:33 btw, a2000 w/ 3mb ran and 170mb hd here ;) Dec 17 14:39:18 what is angstroms equivalent to bvdd? Dec 17 14:40:38 should one be using DGA or PXA as a video overlay in mplayer on the spitz?? Dec 17 14:41:15 pxa Dec 17 14:41:56 ok that's what i've been using Dec 17 14:42:03 has some weird bugs hehehe Dec 17 14:42:30 XorA|gone: on my spitz should mplayer have the cpuflag iwmmxt? Dec 17 14:42:41 yes Dec 17 14:42:46 hum weird Dec 17 14:42:52 guess ipkg downloaded the wrong one? Dec 17 14:43:00 mplayer -vo help doesn't give me the cpuflags iwmmxt Dec 17 14:43:37 one last thing Dec 17 14:44:20 for snes9x i've tried setting with fbset to 320x240 which works but when i start snes9x....i only hear sound...if i start snes9x in 640x480 i get a very small screen in the middle Dec 17 14:45:04 iwmmxt has nothing to do with -vo Dec 17 14:45:23 its 240x320 Dec 17 14:45:30 screen is portrait on spitz Dec 17 14:45:48 but SDL is probably buggered due to duff patches Dec 17 14:47:11 hum Dec 17 14:47:15 on my friend pda Dec 17 14:47:22 mplayer -vo tells the cpuflags Dec 17 14:49:42 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25109 <-- found an example Dec 17 14:50:27 not that iwmmxt has anything to do with vo but before displaying the Video Overlays possible it tells some info about mplayer Dec 17 14:50:46 hi there Dec 17 14:50:50 like the CPU and cpuflags....mine doesn't display cpuflags at all which makes me wonder if it's using iwmmxt Dec 17 14:51:01 ABC|dOC: hi Dec 17 14:51:23 does someone knows what socket type are used for most recent intel's CPU ? Dec 17 14:52:15 hum lga775 unles 1366 is out Dec 17 14:52:21 that's in the normal unless xeon? Dec 17 14:53:23 some ppl stick with socket 771 for xeons some go lga775 depending on budget Dec 17 14:53:54 ABC|dOC: hope that answers your question Dec 17 14:54:00 i mean on desktop PC :) Dec 17 14:54:16 desktop pc should be lga775 Dec 17 14:54:33 ok tks ;) Dec 17 14:54:45 another question to test your knowledeges :p Dec 17 14:54:51 ABC|dOC: keep in mind these are fragile sockets Dec 17 14:54:58 i read your link [15:49] http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25109 <-- found an example Dec 17 14:55:08 it speaks about iwmmxt and bvdd Dec 17 14:55:23 ABC|dOC: my main thing is mplayer -vo help on his example Dec 17 14:55:28 gives him the cpuflags Dec 17 14:55:52 mine gives me the cpu like him but doesn't display cpuflag Dec 17 14:56:02 i'm on a spitz, running mplayer iwmmxt. playing video is smooth, but quality is not that good. anyway to increase it (anyway to hope using 640*480 resolution) on spitz ? Dec 17 14:56:17 ABC|dOC: on your spitz Dec 17 14:56:17 Pixelized: yes i saw you spoke about something else Dec 17 14:56:24 ABC|dOC: can you mplayer -vo help Dec 17 14:56:28 and see if you see the cpuflag? Dec 17 14:57:02 ABC|dOC: last note be carefulle th socket lga775 has fragile little pogo pins =) Dec 17 15:03:39 Pixelized: my mplayer doesnt have CPUflags and is defineately the iwmmxt version Dec 17 15:04:04 ipkg status mplayer will tell you for sure Dec 17 15:06:46 maybe it will show the cpuflags if you run mplayer -v Dec 17 15:07:18 Pixelized: i'll do it tonight, i don't have my Z on me (shame) Dec 17 15:07:41 Pixelized: tks for your answers and advices ;) Dec 17 15:27:17 XorA|gone: ok thanks Dec 17 15:28:17 XorA|gone: indeed is iwmmxt Dec 17 15:29:16 ddc Dec 17 15:30:09 bbc Dec 17 16:14:00 damn building the boost library is long Dec 17 17:09:37 <_diego_> hi Dec 17 17:09:59 <_diego_> i'm building an image for an x86 embedded, based on angstrom Dec 17 17:10:29 <_diego_> but i get an error in building linux-2.6.21, about a missing file: defconfig Dec 17 17:10:47 <_diego_> this is a bug, or an error in configuring the build? Dec 17 17:17:34 ~lart Debian for break pan2 jpeg rendering Dec 17 17:17:41 *breaking Dec 17 17:18:10 _diego_: your MACHINE does not have a default .config (defconfig) Dec 17 17:18:16 you must create one Dec 17 17:18:43 <_diego_> where should i create it? (or have you any pointer in documentation?) Dec 17 17:19:36 packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/$YOURMACHINE/defconfig is my guess. Don't have access to an OE tree ATM tho. Might want to check in #oe Dec 17 17:27:54 <_diego_> CoreDump: failed again Dec 17 17:28:13 <_diego_> | /mnt/sda1/oe/tmp/work/ecotuxjr-angstrom-linux/linux-2.6.21-r11/temp/run.do_configure.27349: line 602: /mnt/sda1/oe/tmp/work/ecotuxjr-angstrom-linux/linux-2.6.21-r11/defconfig: No such file or directory Dec 17 17:29:01 <_diego_> I create a directory ecotuxjr, and copied a defconfig file from another package Dec 17 17:29:06 well, you are still missing a defconfig Dec 17 17:29:55 your DISTRO is ecotuxjr? or your MACHINE? Dec 17 17:30:54 <_diego_> from my local.conf: Dec 17 17:31:00 <_diego_> MACHINE = "ecotuxjr" Dec 17 17:31:09 <_diego_> DISTRO = "angstrom-2007.1" Dec 17 17:31:28 sounds ok Dec 17 17:32:04 and it's in packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/ecotuxjr Dec 17 17:32:05 ? Dec 17 17:32:51 if so try moving it .. (ie: packages/linux/ecotuxjr) Dec 17 17:33:01 <_diego_> ok Dec 17 17:34:01 * _diego_ wonder if i have to write a custom linux*.bb ... Dec 17 17:35:21 <_diego_> uhm, in linux directory, i see a lot of directory like "linux-navman" or "linux-openmoko" ... Dec 17 17:35:35 nm these Dec 17 17:35:54 you'll find matching linux-openmoko-*.bb files Dec 17 17:36:06 <_diego_> exactly Dec 17 17:37:01 SRC_URI declarations in linux-openmoko.bb (for example) will first look for files in linux/linux-openmoko/*, and only after that in linux/* Dec 17 17:37:10 <_diego_> and i don't understand why bitbake choose to build linux-2.6.21 and not something else Dec 17 17:37:35 your MACHINE configuration probably forces this kernel version Dec 17 17:37:51 defconfig should still be picked up tho Dec 17 17:39:25 <_diego_> i looked into ecotuxjr.conf, but i don't see anything about 2.6.21 Dec 17 17:40:11 <_diego_> btw, if i can force a different kernel, it's welcome (linux-x86 sound interesting ^^) Dec 17 17:40:29 <_diego_> i have just a PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux" Dec 17 17:40:54 somewhere there is also a PREFERRED_VERSION_virtual/kernel Dec 17 17:41:12 anyway, these are clearly questions for #oe Dec 17 17:41:43 <_diego_> i asked there, they send me here from #oe ^^ Dec 17 17:41:43 giving advice w/o being able to look at the tree is rather difficult ;) Dec 17 17:42:10 <_diego_> I agree ... thanks anyway Dec 17 17:42:50 np Dec 17 18:10:45 CoreDump: hi =) Dec 17 18:10:51 thanks for all your advice btw =) Dec 17 18:11:00 yw Dec 17 18:11:27 any clue on what is borked for snes9x sdl to not play FS on spitz? Dec 17 18:11:48 i got mplayer to work with -vo pxa ok mind you there are some bugs it doesn't exit correctly Dec 17 18:12:13 no idea sorry Dec 17 18:12:24 Pixelized: what is FS? Dec 17 18:12:30 Zero_Chaos: full screen Dec 17 18:12:31 =) Dec 17 18:12:52 i tried with fbset Dec 17 18:12:54 Pixelized: oh, well because snes9x plays in original resolution and there is not "pixel doubling" option or anything like that. Dec 17 18:13:06 setting it at 320x240 works but snes9x doesn't display anything Dec 17 18:13:15 Pixelized: you can drop the resolution to 256^2 and it works Dec 17 18:13:24 hum Dec 17 18:13:24 i think it was 256x256 anyway Dec 17 18:13:30 hum with fbset? Dec 17 18:13:40 * Zero_Chaos thinks Dec 17 18:13:44 i'll give that a try Dec 17 18:13:46 pretty sure Dec 17 18:14:29 trying to compile monotone on my 2dual xeon at work Dec 17 18:14:35 do some compiling with bitbake and oe Dec 17 18:14:47 I'm staging two gentoo machines right now Dec 17 18:14:59 if i had 1 more power supply it would be three Dec 17 18:16:02 hehehe Dec 17 18:16:12 symlinking include file directory for boost Dec 17 18:16:21 don't feel like ./configuring --withshitsallthetime Dec 17 18:16:31 yeah, I hate that, did the same thing Dec 17 18:16:35 ~lart boost Dec 17 18:17:06 install puts em in /usr/local/include/boost-version/boost Dec 17 18:17:21 and all other software look for it in either /usr/include/boost and other places so symlinked it Dec 17 18:17:24 less messing around Dec 17 18:19:02 man yesterday i was out of it Dec 17 18:19:13 reading some issues that coredump was addressing in bug forum Dec 17 18:19:27 and it made me laugh cause some guy was having the same issue i was having but didn't pay attention Dec 17 18:19:49 i realised after why my xmms wasn't loading mp3...hadn't installed the mpg123 input plugin Dec 17 18:19:51 hahaha Dec 17 18:20:31 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2232 Dec 17 18:20:40 - Xmms: unable to open or adding files to the playlist <-- he's missing the input plugins Dec 17 18:21:06 or had another issue Dec 17 18:21:21 not 2 sure but it made me laugh when i realized when starting my xmms on my pc Dec 17 18:21:36 and noticed that i hadn't installed any input plugins on my zaurus Dec 17 18:38:24 well time to read up on orinoco downloadable firmware to upgrade this old card to wpa Dec 17 18:38:44 Pixelized: you have a CF orinoco card? Dec 17 18:38:48 yes Dec 17 18:38:53 don't tell me they can't be upgraded Dec 17 18:38:53 are you SURE? Dec 17 18:39:01 because I'm pretty sure you don't Dec 17 18:39:13 not original orinoco Dec 17 18:39:20 hermes-i chipset Dec 17 18:39:25 running the orinoco driver Dec 17 18:39:30 I'm pretty sure it's not orinoco/hermes chipset at all. Dec 17 18:39:35 really? Dec 17 18:39:44 let me check it out Dec 17 18:39:47 remove the orinoco/hermes kernel modules and try "hostap" Dec 17 18:40:28 Zero_Chaos: will try Dec 17 18:40:43 i used to own a pcmcia orinoco card but then i switched to atheros for packet injection and raw fake ap sending Dec 17 18:40:52 gimme a sec Dec 17 18:45:17 hum rmmod orinoco_cs and orinoco and hermes but i'm guessing something like a hotplug equivalent is reloading them Dec 17 18:45:20 everytime i put the card in Dec 17 18:45:41 put the card in, remove the orinoco crap, then load the hostap Dec 17 18:45:47 you don't have to remove the card Dec 17 18:45:59 without removing the card Dec 17 18:46:12 orinoco modules will not remove unless i maybe rmmod -f Dec 17 18:46:32 they should, modprobe -r works for me Dec 17 18:48:23 Pixelized: what card do you have? make/model/version/revision, any info Dec 17 18:48:31 came with the zaurus used Dec 17 18:48:49 read the card, what does it say? Dec 17 18:48:53 2 sec Dec 17 18:48:57 abicom wl1100c-cf Dec 17 18:49:01 reading up on it as we speak Dec 17 18:49:13 Oh, I has that one Dec 17 18:49:17 What'd you need? Dec 17 18:49:29 was looking into wpa support Dec 17 18:49:38 ppl were saying online you needed a firmware upgrade for it Dec 17 18:49:38 it's prism Dec 17 18:49:41 No WPA for it, it's 80211b Dec 17 18:49:50 barnarda: that isn't true Dec 17 18:50:02 Zero_Chaos: ok Dec 17 18:50:19 oh? /me hits the google, 'cause I'd like to get away from WEP ;P Dec 17 18:50:53 Pixelized: uninstall the orinoco/hermes everything. and then read the prism2 flashing guides. Dec 17 18:51:17 Zero_Chaos: will do Dec 17 18:51:22 Pixelized: I suggest 1.7.4/1.1.1 but you can try 1.8.4/1.1.1 if you need to Dec 17 18:52:27 Zero_Chaos: is there a lspci equiv in angstrom Dec 17 18:52:46 lspci I would imagine. Dec 17 18:52:47 dunno Dec 17 18:53:11 don't see it Dec 17 18:53:15 or not in path Dec 17 18:53:20 guess vi /proc/craps Dec 17 18:53:26 god i hate vi =( Dec 17 18:54:11 weird tho all abicom searches so far for angstrom said orinoco type card Dec 17 18:55:08 Pixelized: it's prism2, not sure which one, but hostap-utils has "hostap_diag" which will tell you. Dec 17 18:57:06 ahh Dec 17 18:57:18 host_diag -b wlan0 = prism II (2.5) Dec 17 18:57:20 sweet Dec 17 18:57:28 now to stop orinoco from loading all the time hehe Dec 17 18:57:41 uninstall *orinoco* and *hermes* Dec 17 18:57:51 I WISH it would get removed from the image. Dec 17 18:58:02 hehehe Dec 17 18:58:23 i wish i could find the damn & sign on the zaurus Dec 17 18:58:29 so i could ipkg remove crap && ipkg remove other crap Dec 17 18:58:42 alright, I'm hungry and dirty, time to fix both Dec 17 18:58:50 Zero_Chaos: thanks for the info Dec 17 18:58:56 * Zero_Chaos makes a sandwich to eat in the shower Dec 17 18:59:03 later Dec 17 19:02:03 haha Dec 17 19:02:07 nice underwater eating Dec 17 19:04:27 damn it what's the damn esc key on spitz lol Dec 17 19:05:14 stupid cancel button Dec 17 19:05:41 err stupid me cancel button Dec 17 19:20:49 Zero_Chaos: when you return you mentioned 256x256 for snes9x...any clue on timings ? Dec 17 19:37:05 Pixelized: I forget the timings, i used it once, too annoying Dec 17 19:37:24 Zero_Chaos: lol Dec 17 19:37:40 well just finished getting all i need and now i wants more Dec 17 19:37:57 error importing sqlite3 Dec 17 19:37:59 lolz Dec 17 19:42:04 well gonna try and compile some stuff Dec 17 20:18:49 is there a reason there's no kernel in the RC1 dir for spitz? Dec 17 20:19:11 LoL Dec 17 20:20:26 no, for real... Dec 17 20:20:56 If I'm on the same page so to speak, I don't think it's been uploaded by the mentor? Dec 17 20:21:05 correct Dec 17 20:22:20 ok, that's annoying. It makes it difficult to test this :-D Dec 17 20:22:29 hum Dec 17 20:22:30 yet Dec 17 20:22:42 there is a release candidate 1 in autobuild installkit for spitz Dec 17 20:23:03 Pixelized: autobuild != RC1 Dec 17 20:23:09 yo Zero_Chaos Dec 17 20:23:15 dcordes: word up homie Dec 17 20:23:26 Angstrom-x11-gpe-image-glibc-ipk-2007.11RC1-spitz-installkit.tgz <-- Dec 17 20:23:32 we have release candidate? Dec 17 20:23:33 says RC1 in the name that's what i meant Dec 17 20:23:47 dcordes: apparently missing the kernel officially Dec 17 20:23:54 what is installkit? Dec 17 20:24:03 Pixelized: yes but if it is in autobuilder that means it was not tested Dec 17 20:24:17 Zero_Chaos: agreed just misleading it has release candidate 1 in name Dec 17 20:24:18 mind you Dec 17 20:24:23 i'm running it on my spitz Dec 17 20:24:28 and works Dec 17 20:24:41 Pixelized: and you were able to flash using the install kit? Dec 17 20:24:41 some issues with path when changing to root not being set etc etc Dec 17 20:24:54 Zero_Chaos: hell no had to change the updater.sh =) Dec 17 20:24:59 thought so Dec 17 20:25:06 I've been trying to fix that for weeks Dec 17 20:25:15 Zero_Chaos: you are working on the updater.sh? Dec 17 20:25:27 Pixelized: can't exactly say that, but sure, why not Dec 17 20:25:46 as far as I know and read openzaurus is dead and they say to use angstrom Dec 17 20:25:54 Pixelized: correct Dec 17 20:25:56 whats wrong with putting openzaurus updater.sh in angstrom? Dec 17 20:26:04 is it because of uncertanties in what it does? Dec 17 20:26:13 just curious Dec 17 20:26:13 Zero_Chaos, see no you believe he had problems with updater.sh :P Dec 17 20:26:18 Pixelized: um... I dunno, likely you could Dec 17 20:26:26 lol i did Dec 17 20:26:31 dcordes: updater.sh doesn't work for anyone Dec 17 20:26:34 i mean why aren't they release with that Dec 17 20:26:46 dcordes: anyone with an akita that is Dec 17 20:26:49 why not ship out the autobuild with openzaurus updater.sh for now? Dec 17 20:26:53 Pixelized: because no one listens to me Dec 17 20:27:01 Zero_Chaos: hahaha i see =) Dec 17 20:27:13 the current updater.sh is only good for hdimages Dec 17 20:27:23 and not kernel Dec 17 20:27:32 Pixelized: actually it works for all Z but akita afaik Dec 17 20:27:39 and spitz Dec 17 20:28:01 when i changed from qtopia to angstrom the updater in the one before rc1 didn't work either Dec 17 20:28:08 got the nice flashing screen and no go Dec 17 20:28:22 had to put updater.sh from openzaurus to get my first angstrom install to work Dec 17 20:28:50 Pixelized: flashing spitz isn't officially supported, you are to use the hd, not the flash Dec 17 20:29:08 the updater.sh I got in -2007.9-test-20071207-tosa-installkit worked for me Dec 17 20:29:08 Zero_Chaos: well then my install would've never worked? Dec 17 20:29:24 Pixelized: something like that. Dec 17 20:29:33 Zero_Chaos: that's a tad confusing Dec 17 20:29:55 even though the image isn't very stable Dec 17 20:30:24 Zero_Chaos: when i used the Angstrom-x11-gpe-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071211-spitz.installkit to remove qtopia all i got was a flashing screen Dec 17 20:30:42 Zero_Chaos: how is one suppose to not use openzaurus updater.sh and get it to work??? that's what i'm wondering Dec 17 20:30:59 Pixelized: asking the wrong person... Dec 17 20:31:10 just asking for your opinion =) Dec 17 20:31:22 * Zero_Chaos has no opinion on this subject Dec 17 20:32:42 lol Dec 17 20:33:59 mind you maybe i got it wrong maybe the openzaurus doesn't put zImage.bin in flash?!?!?! mind you that's what i seem to recall reading? Dec 17 20:34:44 for akita it all goes in flash, for spitz, initrd.bin isn't used and it takes some .tar file and dumps it to the hd Dec 17 20:36:02 Zero_Chaos: any reasons why using the flash is not supported? issues?? sorry i know i'm asking alot of questions Dec 17 20:36:54 Pixelized: Just fyi I'm not one of the key devs. however, the hd is faster than flash, hence it is not desirable anyway Dec 17 20:45:56 the hd is faster then flash? Dec 17 20:46:01 what kinda flash we got in there? Dec 17 20:46:12 apparently very slow flash Dec 17 20:46:18 damn that's some crap ass flash to be slower then that hd Dec 17 20:46:45 it's mostly the compression that is slowing down the flash IIRC Dec 17 20:47:00 CoreDump: now that would make sense =) Dec 17 20:50:03 the SL-C3000 has very little flash, the SL-C3200 has the same amount than Akita if I'm not mistaken Dec 17 20:50:43 CoreDump: I think you're right, I believe it went C3000: 32MB, C3100: 64MB, C3200: 128MB Dec 17 20:51:05 * CoreDump flashed his spitz once for kicks ;) Dec 17 20:51:55 lol Dec 17 20:52:57 my 3200's battery is dead... :-/ Dec 17 20:53:34 * summatusmentis waits 15 minutes before trying to install RC1 Dec 17 20:54:09 summatusmentis: heheh Dec 17 20:54:14 rc1 is working here for spitz Dec 17 20:54:49 mind you when i change user to root my paths never contains /sbin like /etc/profile says dunno why just added /sbin to my normal user since i'm the only one using it for now Dec 17 20:56:04 Pixelized: "su -" Dec 17 20:56:32 or sudo Dec 17 20:56:40 hey, is anyone using usb networking on leopard? Dec 17 20:58:05 CoreDump: so su won't change path but su - will? Dec 17 20:58:33 man su ;) su - overwrite the current shell env Dec 17 20:59:01 isn't su - alised to su in most distrib? Dec 17 20:59:04 aliased Dec 17 20:59:37 nope Dec 17 20:59:50 hum never had to use su - in slackware to change environment variables Dec 17 20:59:54