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Dec 24 03:06:39 <bgold> anyone there?
Dec 24 06:16:05 <brimstone> i just flashed my Zaurus 5600 with the latest RC1 for poodle, ipkg update works, but ipkg upgrade fails with wget errors, any one known of this?
Dec 24 06:19:33 <brimstone> errors here: http://pastebin.ca/830755
Dec 24 18:36:55 <bgold> hey
Dec 24 18:37:14 <humorum> hi
Dec 24 18:38:50 <schme`> I see the angstrom r2 kismet is built w/o libpcap. That's not so brilliant :)
Dec 24 18:38:54 <schme`> rc2 even
Dec 24 18:39:19 <humorum> hmm,
Dec 24 18:40:09 <humorum> is it the problem of pcap ?
Dec 24 18:40:25 <schme`> Huh?
Dec 24 18:41:28 <schme`> I try kismet and it says it doesn't support my capture source.   ./configure of OE kismet told me this is because libpcap is missing. kismet used to include libpcap, it does no more.. Adding a depend on libpcap solved it quite well.
Dec 24 18:41:42 <schme`> But the prebuilt kismet blew bollocks :)
Dec 24 18:42:32 <CoreDump> you did report a bug about that, right? ;)
Dec 24 18:43:06 <schme`> No I was just to ask where I do report a bug or if this even is a bug. I mean kismet works, just not with a local capture source.
Dec 24 18:43:50 <CoreDump> http://bugs.openembedded.org/
Dec 24 18:44:27 <schme`> ty!
Dec 24 18:44:58 <schme`> Ugh. I need to set up an account.
Dec 24 18:45:20 <schme`> :)
Dec 24 18:49:31 <bgold> yo does anyone know how to edit the menues?
Dec 24 18:49:36 <bgold> or add stuff that you installed?
Dec 24 18:50:35 <mimecar> hi
Dec 24 18:51:06 <schme`> What menues?
Dec 24 18:51:28 <bgold> like you know right when you load up angstrom
Dec 24 18:51:34 <bgold> you get those like 5 folders
Dec 24 18:51:49 <bgold> Games, Settings, Active Tasks, ect.
Dec 24 18:52:19 <schme`> No idea. I don't get those :S
Dec 24 18:52:31 <bgold> what do you get when you enter angstrom then O_O?
Dec 24 18:52:35 <bgold> oh wait, this is gpe
Dec 24 18:52:37 <bgold> what do you use?
Dec 24 18:52:44 <schme`> console
Dec 24 18:53:00 <bgold> you do things in terminal only?
Dec 24 18:53:10 <schme`> bgold: Maybe the gpe documentations have something good?
Dec 24 18:53:20 <bgold> yeh maybe
Dec 24 18:53:27 <mimecar> what do you want do?
Dec 24 18:53:38 <schme`> Yes. I mostly just use emacs anyway.
Dec 24 18:53:48 <bgold> oh
Dec 24 18:54:06 <bgold> mimecar: add folders to put things that I have already installed on there because nothing shows  up when i install it
Dec 24 18:54:16 <mimecar> ok
Dec 24 18:54:22 <mimecar> /usr/share/matchbox
Dec 24 18:54:33 <mimecar> on that folder you will find "folder definition"
Dec 24 18:54:46 <mimecar> on /usr/share/apps (i think) you get the files (.desktop)
Dec 24 18:55:05 <bgold> wicked
Dec 24 18:55:06 <bgold> thank you
Dec 24 18:55:08 <mimecar> with both folders you will be able to add new programs into gpe
Dec 24 18:55:14 <bgold> nice
Dec 24 18:55:27 <mimecar> actually you must do it manually
Dec 24 18:55:32 <bgold> kk
Dec 24 18:56:08 <mimecar> bgold: you'll find more info on matchbox web site
Dec 24 18:56:25 <bgold> wtf is matchbox ;\
Dec 24 18:56:36 <mimecar> you can always copy a defined .desktop and test some things without overwriting good files ;)
Dec 24 18:56:44 <mimecar> matchbox is the window manager
Dec 24 18:56:59 <bgold> so then what would goe be
Dec 24 18:57:02 <bgold> gpe*
Dec 24 18:57:19 <mimecar> gpe are the programs
Dec 24 18:57:41 <mimecar> you can launch gpe rpograms but something must control windows position, size..
Dec 24 18:57:48 <bgold> gotchya
Dec 24 18:58:03 <mimecar> on kde both concepts are the same, on gnome you have metacity and gnome apps
Dec 24 18:58:14 <mimecar> metacity is the window manager
Dec 24 18:58:20 <bgold> hey i got a question, lets say I have a source to a linux game..can i just compile it and it would run on my zaurus?
Dec 24 18:58:44 <mimecar> if you have all the dependences, it should be
Dec 24 18:58:58 <bgold> alright
Dec 24 18:59:03 <bgold> im trying to compile ngame :)
Dec 24 18:59:12 <mimecar> and it must be compiled for zaurus architecture
Dec 24 18:59:26 <mimecar> check all the dependences
Dec 24 18:59:44 <bgold> kk
Dec 24 19:00:24 <bgold> ouch
Dec 24 19:00:28 <bgold> actually doesn't have the source
Dec 24 19:10:09 <schme`> bgold: cross compiling is a bitch, I might add :)
Dec 24 19:10:43 <mimecar> are you sure you want get crazy on christmas :P
Dec 24 19:12:41 <bgold> where the hell is the trashcan :P
Dec 24 19:12:59 <schme`> I spent mostly all of yesterday trying to get into OE and make a recipe for sxemacs to have it cross compile. After many hours tweaking I actually got it to configure. I was so happy. Then the compile failed 'cause sxemacs just does not cross compile ><
Dec 24 19:13:44 <schme`> bgold: So your Z is working well when the wifi card is not used?
Dec 24 19:13:50 <bgold> yeh
Dec 24 19:14:12 <bgold> yeh, it works perfectly actually
Dec 24 19:14:59 <bgold> but when I put in the card in my montitor screen.. cpu goes to 87% and memory goes inot the millions of percentage%..no joke..i just put it in and it went to 98827333%
Dec 24 19:15:13 <schme`> That is very good news. It would have been horrible if the Z was the broken part.   Personally I'd get crazy in the head if my new toy + the wifi had arrived and it just was not working as it should. :)
Dec 24 19:15:23 <schme`> Wow.
Dec 24 19:16:01 <bgold> it wasn't working as it shoudl
Dec 24 19:16:04 <bgold> im going crazy right now
Dec 24 19:16:12 <bgold> because I am waiting for my new wireless card to be shipped
Dec 24 19:16:27 <schme`> Hehehe. Well atleast you can play a lil' bit with the Z.
Dec 24 19:16:29 <bgold> and it pisses me off because i specifically ordered my ambicom so it would come right when my z did ;\
Dec 24 19:16:32 <bgold> yeh true
Dec 24 19:16:38 <schme`> Mmm.
Dec 24 19:16:51 <bgold> i really hope my linksys WCF12 works..i really do
Dec 24 19:18:45 <bgold> schme`: what do you use your zaurus for
Dec 24 19:23:41 <schme> bgold: I plan to mostly use it for hacking code on.
Dec 24 19:24:51 <schme> bgold: It goes something along the line of me being a machine operator in the steel industry and I get a *lot* of free time and the Z is just great to have there for hacking :)
Dec 24 19:25:09 <schme> If I ever get clisp to cross build ><
Dec 24 19:25:14 <bgold> lol nice
Dec 24 19:25:55 <bgold> schme: see, i mainly just mess around with scripts, talk to friends, browse the internet..so this thing is perfect IF MY WIRELESS WORKED..so I basically use my for pidgin, surfin the net, hacking ;)
Dec 24 19:26:37 <bgold> thats why the c1000 was perfect because as long as i had a card (angstrom supports oy SDHC card)..it will have space for what I need
Dec 24 19:27:02 <bgold> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bq7mWBtNhjs .. that caught my eye ;P
Dec 24 19:27:12 <schme> Mmm.. and with a bit of driver patching you can inject packets while in monitor mode..
Dec 24 19:27:29 <schme> But kismet is borked at the moment :)
Dec 24 19:27:37 <bgold> really?
Dec 24 19:27:55 <bgold> whats wrong with it
Dec 24 19:28:03 <schme> a weird little fucked up pokemon!
Dec 24 19:28:14 <bgold> haha
Dec 24 19:28:19 <schme> It's built without being linked to libpcap so it doesn't support any local capture sources.
Dec 24 19:28:33 <bgold> wow
Dec 24 19:28:36 * schme filed a bug report.. It's not really a bug but it would be an enhancement.
Dec 24 19:29:00 <bgold> it should be fixed soon..a lot of people want kismet
Dec 24 19:29:16 <schme> I'm sure.
Dec 24 19:29:29 <schme> It's a very trivial fix anyways.
Dec 24 19:30:03 <bgold> yeh
Dec 24 19:30:07 <schme> kismet used to include libpcap but nowadays you need it on your system and the kismet recipe in OE does not depend on libpcap so it's not really there when it's built.
Dec 24 19:30:23 <bgold> oh
Dec 24 19:31:53 <bgold> im scared shitless right now, because there is a part of me that thinks that my next CF wifi card wo't work
Dec 24 19:32:03 <schme> 'course it will!
Dec 24 19:32:12 <bgold> and then i'll have to go and contact the ebay seller again, and friggen sent it back to japan
Dec 24 19:32:24 * bgold hopes so
Dec 24 19:33:07 <bgold> crap like that always happens to me lol..worst thing that can go wrong, goes wrong..because without the card..the z is a paper weight for me lol
Dec 24 19:38:15 <schme> :(
Dec 24 19:38:54 <bgold> your tellin me you can use your z without wifi?
Dec 24 19:39:58 * Sketch uses his with bluetooth
Dec 24 19:40:26 <schme> bgold: Yes.
Dec 24 19:41:06 <bgold> schme: let me rephrase then, "your tellin me you can use your z without internet?"
Dec 24 19:41:21 <schme> Q here though. I bitbaked a kismet here and I try ipkg install kismet....ipkg and it tells me bad checksum. Makes sense 'cause it's not the one in the db. But how do I force an install?
Dec 24 19:41:41 <schme> bgold: Very much so. I plan on using it to hack code on.
Dec 24 19:41:51 <bgold> what do you mean by "hack code"
Dec 24 19:41:58 <bgold> to actually code?
Dec 24 19:42:03 <bgold> or to view the vode
Dec 24 19:42:05 <bgold> code*
Dec 24 19:42:19 <schme> Ah sorry. Yeah. To spend my time writing software.
Dec 24 19:42:40 <schme> Hacking in the programming type of way. Not in the hacking into stuff way :)
Dec 24 19:42:56 <bgold> gotchya
Dec 24 19:42:59 <bgold> for ipkg
Dec 24 19:43:03 <bgold> i think you just do
Dec 24 19:43:09 <bgold> one seck let me check
Dec 24 19:43:11 <schme> If I get clisp to configure that is ><
Dec 24 19:43:19 <bgold> -force-reinstall
Dec 24 19:43:26 <bgold> or -force-SOMETHING .. i forget..let me look
Dec 24 19:43:29 <schme> ty. I'll try that.
Dec 24 19:43:33 <schme> There are not so very many force :)
Dec 24 19:43:46 <schme> Kismet works great with libpcap compiled in though.
Dec 24 19:44:10 <schme> Well not compiled in.. but in staging when it was configured atleast :)
Dec 24 19:44:24 <bgold> yeh, ill have to test it out when i get my internet on it
Dec 24 19:44:29 <bgold> well im ganna go grab a bite to eat
Dec 24 19:44:32 <bgold> cya later
Dec 24 19:44:35 <schme> Have a good xmas
Dec 24 19:44:38 <bgold> you too
Dec 24 21:59:27 <marlecule> hey everyone :)
Dec 24 21:59:38 <schme> Hey marlecule 
Dec 24 21:59:46 <marlecule> has anyone got xmms working on a poodle?
Dec 24 21:59:49 <schme> And merry merry xmas.
Dec 24 21:59:55 <marlecule> merry xmas schme
Dec 24 22:00:18 <marlecule> i cant choose my output plugin cause the screen is too small :S
Dec 24 22:00:39 <schme> Ugh.
Dec 24 22:00:49 <marlecule> yup
Dec 24 22:00:54 <schme> Is there not some command line option for stuff like that?
Dec 24 22:00:55 <marlecule> cant figure out how to do it from the console
Dec 24 22:01:11 <marlecule> maybe, im wondering if that is documented somewhere
Dec 24 22:01:29 <schme> Beats me. Never used xmms :)
Dec 24 22:01:39 <marlecule> oh really? what do you play mp3s with?
Dec 24 22:01:57 <schme> mpg321
Dec 24 22:02:03 <marlecule> ah i c
Dec 24 22:02:23 <marlecule> i spose i could get that on my poodle
Dec 24 22:02:25 <marlecule> but i do like xmms
Dec 24 22:02:30 <schme> Yes. console junkie.
Dec 24 22:02:48 <schme> I hear ya.. There is just no way to settle for anything but you want. Especially not when there has got to be some way to make it work.
Dec 24 22:02:49 <schme> :)
Dec 24 22:03:12 <marlecule> lol yeah pretty much
Dec 24 22:03:18 <marlecule> im a little new to linux but i am learning
Dec 24 22:03:23 <schme> Cools.
Dec 24 22:03:25 <marlecule> i got mplayer playing divx files :D
Dec 24 22:04:28 <schme> Wow. xmms homepage is insane.
Dec 24 22:04:39 <marlecule> haha yeah i read that earlier
Dec 24 22:06:52 <marlecule> oh well, i think i should actually be wrapping presents anyway
Dec 24 22:06:58 <marlecule> cant find much in the manual yet
Dec 24 22:07:02 <marlecule> thx for the help tho
Dec 24 22:08:11 <schme> No command line option for it it seems.. But there has to be some config file somewhere right?
Dec 24 22:08:21 <marlecule> yeah i would think so
Dec 24 22:08:31 <marlecule> i might be back in here tomorrow looking some more, gotta go meet family soon
Dec 24 22:08:41 <marlecule> have a good xmas!
Dec 24 22:09:19 <schme> The same.
Dec 24 22:19:09 <bgold> yes, the homepage is insane lol
Dec 24 22:38:26 <schme> The fuck. I ran out of space on my harddrive.
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Dec 24 23:09:56 <Blue89> can anybody here tell me what differences ther eare between angstrom and debian on the C3200?
Dec 24 23:10:40 <summatusmentis> honestly, no
Dec 24 23:10:59 <summatusmentis> I was under the impression debian was pretty early in development still
Dec 24 23:14:05 <Blue89> so far I am very unimpressed with the available software on angstrom, and the usb peripheral support appears to be screwed up  too. I'm going to try another distro if I can find one that has at least as many packages as pdaxrom
Dec 24 23:14:35 <schme> Blue89: Why not make some packages yourself?
Dec 24 23:15:22 <summatusmentis> Blue89: what do you need that angstrom doesn't have?
Dec 24 23:15:42 * schme has found a few things missing in angstrom ;)
Dec 24 23:16:05 <summatusmentis> I'm not saying it's perfect, but for a PDA, it's pretty damn good IMO
Dec 24 23:16:08 <Blue89> for one thing, I had to find another browser because dillo was missing, and there are NO games
Dec 24 23:16:35 <schme> I agree. angstrom is very nice indeed.
Dec 24 23:16:35 <summatusmentis> alright, that's true, there aren't really games
Dec 24 23:16:37 <Blue89> and neither my wifi nor my usbnet are working, so I can't install ANYTHING anyway
Dec 24 23:17:02 <schme> Works like a charm for me, and the things I find missing I am making packages for.
Dec 24 23:17:19 <schme> A lot of PDAs kinda suck for games though ;)
Dec 24 23:17:37 <CoreDump> usbnet works OOTB, you _host_ is fucked if it doesn't work, not Angstrom
Dec 24 23:17:40 <summatusmentis> you could flash the X11-office image, and you'll have a browser pre-installed
Dec 24 23:18:01 <Blue89> CoreDump, it worked fine on this same host in pdaxrom
Dec 24 23:18:35 <Blue89> summatusmentis, and never have anything but a browser and maybe an editor... sounds great
Dec 24 23:18:37 <CoreDump> again, usbnet works OOTB and has done so for a loooong time
Dec 24 23:19:08 <Blue89> CoreDump, with which model?
Dec 24 23:20:51 <Blue89> I still can't beleive this is the first distro I have ever encountered for ANY system that doesn't ship with a single text editor (unless you count vi, which I couldn't get out of read-only mode regardless of what options I passed to it)
Dec 24 23:21:34 <Blue89> and your E17 package is broken beyond ANY functionality, which is lame even for an experimental package
Dec 24 23:23:24 <CoreDump> Blue89: basically all of them, but a 3200 is sitting next to me
Dec 24 23:28:27 <schme> Why on earth would one ship another editor than vi?
Dec 24 23:28:55 <dcordes> install nano
Dec 24 23:29:50 <schme> You could try Fn Ctrl T for getting out of insert mode in vi.
Dec 24 23:31:30 <dcordes> Blue89, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/nano_1.3.9-r0_armv5te.ipk
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