**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 26 02:59:56 2007
Dec 26 03:28:15 <humorum> android works on my SL-C3000, but cannot use touch panel the website has said...
Dec 26 04:38:46 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: you around?
Dec 26 04:39:28 <schme> eureka!
Dec 26 04:39:35 <summatusmentis> !! what?
Dec 26 04:39:46 <schme> I got my clisp configured.
Dec 26 04:39:52 <schme> :)
Dec 26 04:40:08 <schme> I'm doing a native build on the Z. This will be fun. ./configure took 19 minutes.
Dec 26 04:40:10 <summatusmentis> lol, sweet
Dec 26 04:40:31 <summatusmentis> what is clisp?
Dec 26 04:40:51 <schme> Their silly configure script is messed up. I needs to fix it. And some of their more advanced functionality (FFI namely) is borked for armv5te. I need to hack some arm asm it seems.
Dec 26 04:41:09 <summatusmentis> oh that should be fun
Dec 26 04:41:46 <schme> It's a common lisp implementation.  GNU Common Lisp.   It's not the CL I usually use but it's the only one that is ported to arm.. and it has a very small memory footprint so it's all good.
Dec 26 04:41:52 <schme> Yeah it will be a blast I am sure ;)
Dec 26 04:42:22 * schme just did "time make" on the Z. It takes a few hours on my laptop. I'm guessing a day here :)
Dec 26 04:43:17 <summatusmentis> is your nick based on the language scheme?
Dec 26 04:43:31 <schme> Oh god no.
Dec 26 04:43:39 <summatusmentis> lol, ok
Dec 26 04:43:49 <schme> That's a bit of a pain with this name. I picked it by stabbing random keys on the keyboard.
Dec 26 04:44:03 <summatusmentis> oh, nice
Dec 26 04:44:10 <schme> scheme confuses me :)
Dec 26 04:44:36 <summatusmentis> because you're used to lisp?
Dec 26 04:45:16 <schme> Exactly. scheme is a lisp dialect and a lot of things are the same, other things are very different.
Dec 26 04:45:37 <summatusmentis> I'm not a fan of scheme, and thus, probably lisp
Dec 26 04:45:42 <schme> I have the same problem with elisp (emacs lisp).
Dec 26 04:45:51 <summatusmentis> mm
Dec 26 04:45:53 * schme noddles. It takes a bit of a fucked up mind I suppose :)
Dec 26 04:46:21 <summatusmentis> lol, I mean, it wasn't bad, but I don't like the lack of looping structures
Dec 26 04:46:32 <schme> The what what?
Dec 26 04:46:48 <summatusmentis> lack of looping structure
Dec 26 04:46:52 <summatusmentis> if, for, while, etc.
Dec 26 04:46:52 <schme> Oh yeah. There is no loop in scheme.
Dec 26 04:47:00 <summatusmentis> or, i guess not if
Dec 26 04:47:14 <summatusmentis> does lisp have loops?
Dec 26 04:47:49 <schme> (loop for e in '(1 2 3 4 5 6) summing e) => 21
Dec 26 04:48:18 <schme> (loop for e across #(1 2 3 4 5) doing (lotsa fun stuff))   and such.
Dec 26 04:48:18 <schme> Yeah.
Dec 26 04:48:38 <schme> ah fuck the build failed.
Dec 26 04:49:23 <summatusmentis> oh... that's prettier than scheme
Dec 26 04:50:18 <summatusmentis> does anyone know if there's a way to use a 5500 as a music server?
Dec 26 04:50:43 <schme> CL is a much bigger language than scheme.. and if there was no looping structure you could define one.
Dec 26 04:51:12 <summatusmentis> schme: I was learning scheme for a class
Dec 26 04:51:40 <summatusmentis> defining a looping structure would've been outside of the scope of the class, and confused me
Dec 26 04:51:53 <schme> It's trickier in scheme.
Dec 26 04:52:06 <schme> :)
Dec 26 04:52:23 <summatusmentis> give me C/C++ and I'm happy, that's about all there is to it
Dec 26 04:52:34 <summatusmentis> (to be fair, I haven't tried java, and I like perl too)
Dec 26 04:52:48 <schme> Yeah. Each to his own. I kinda like C now and then :)
Dec 26 04:53:12 <schme> I tend to go with the odder languages. :)
Dec 26 04:53:45 <summatusmentis> are you employed to work in lisp? how'd you get into that?
Dec 26 04:53:51 <schme> Oh heck no.
Dec 26 04:53:57 <schme> I just code for fun.
Dec 26 04:54:12 <summatusmentis> you use lisp for fun?!?
Dec 26 04:54:28 <schme> I entertained the idea of coding for a living but the market is all C# and java. 
Dec 26 04:54:40 <schme> I do all my code hacking for fun :)
Dec 26 04:54:58 <schme> lisp just happens to be the most fun ;)
Dec 26 04:54:59 <summatusmentis> I guess it depends on which segment of the market, embedded stuff seems to be largely C/C++
Dec 26 04:55:25 <schme> 'course.. and asm, needless to say.
Dec 26 04:56:08 <summatusmentis> I wish I had skills to code for fun, at this point, it's intro stuff that I've taught myself, or learned in csci class
Dec 26 04:56:09 <schme> lisp is annoyingly huge a language to implement and for most embedded stuff it'd be kinda pointless :)
Dec 26 04:56:37 <schme> Just keep hacking and you'll pick stuff up (:
Dec 26 04:56:40 <summatusmentis> lol, because it's not pointless for other things too...
Dec 26 04:58:28 <schme> Well not really. Yahoo had it's whole yahoo store coded in common lisp years ago.. made some one a millionaire. The vendetta online server software used to be common lisp too but has been recoded in erlang. And several multi-billion companies use it for various stuffs.
Dec 26 04:58:52 <schme> But if one wants employment it's not the most strategic language to dedicate time to I'd say :)
Dec 26 04:59:00 <summatusmentis> lol
Dec 26 05:00:49 <schme> It has some mindblowing qualities.
Dec 26 05:00:52 * schme reconfigures.
Dec 26 05:00:57 <schme> 6 am. cools.
Dec 26 05:01:18 <summatusmentis> holy cow, you're either up way early, or you've been up way too late
Dec 26 05:01:25 <schme> too late :)
Dec 26 05:01:45 <schme> I've been writing OE recipies for 4 days now. I just discovered all this. It's exciting stuff :D
Dec 26 05:01:57 <schme> but a bit of a learning curve.
Dec 26 05:02:14 <schme> and some stuff just *refuses* to cross compile ><
Dec 26 05:03:54 <summatusmentis> I haven't taken the time to get to know OE
Dec 26 05:04:48 <schme>   It's beautiful :)
Dec 26 05:05:32 <summatusmentis> I'm sure it is, I was busy with finals for a while
Dec 26 05:05:49 <schme> Oh yeah. priorities! What's being studied?
Dec 26 05:06:04 <summatusmentis> I'm a computer science major
Dec 26 05:06:13 <summatusmentis> I had a csci final and a calc final
Dec 26 05:06:54 <schme> Oh fun :D
Dec 26 05:07:19 <summatusmentis> yeah, you know it
Dec 26 05:09:09 <schme> I'm a pol sci major meself ;)
Dec 26 05:09:49 <summatusmentis> oh wow... for what reason?
Dec 26 05:09:55 <schme> For fun.
Dec 26 05:10:40 <summatusmentis> I guess.. poli sci doesn't sound like fun to me, but whatever floats your boat
Dec 26 05:10:53 <schme> Ya :)
Dec 26 05:11:22 <schme> Great. configure finds libraries I have removed.
Dec 26 05:11:51 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: what's up?
Dec 26 05:12:16 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: what does an nslu2 usually cost?
Dec 26 05:12:33 <rwhitby> USD$80 from amazon
Dec 26 05:12:50 <summatusmentis> ah, wow, ok, thanks
Dec 26 05:13:20 * schme googles nslu2
Dec 26 05:14:09 <rwhitby> schme: what came up as the top hit?
Dec 26 05:14:23 * summatusmentis is looking for an easy way to make a music server that uses an external HD
Dec 26 05:14:24 <rwhitby> www.nslu2-linux.org, wikipedia, or the linksys vendor page?
Dec 26 05:14:24 <schme> www.nslu2-linux.org/
Dec 26 05:14:34 <rwhitby> sweet, we're still #1 :-)
Dec 26 05:15:21 <schme> wikipedia is third.. vendor is #8.  swedish google.
Dec 26 05:16:23 <rwhitby> wow, what's #2?
Dec 26 05:16:48 <schme> It's some price comparision site.
Dec 26 05:17:11 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: nslu2 is perfect for music, as long as you use ext3 on the disk, not ntfs.
Dec 26 05:17:53 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: the issue is I've got ~$70, and I don't have a disk either :-P
Dec 26 05:17:56 <rwhitby> nslu2 is only just fast enough for streaming dvds.  anything higher bandwidth than that (or if you need it to do video streaming and other stuff as well) use something else.
Dec 26 05:18:07 <schme> Oh wow. The nslu2 seems *nice*
Dec 26 05:19:26 <rwhitby> schme: I lead the nslu2-linux project.
Dec 26 05:20:00 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: what's the cpu speed on the nslu2?
Dec 26 05:21:17 <rwhitby> 266mhz
Dec 26 05:21:34 <schme> rwhitby: Good work!
Dec 26 05:21:38 <rwhitby> the disk throughput is limited by the usb controller connection to the cpu.
Dec 26 05:22:01 <rwhitby> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/Performance
Dec 26 05:22:35 <rwhitby> anyway, visit #nslu2-linux if you want to talk more about the nslu2, (unless you're running the angstrom firmware on it)
Dec 26 05:23:24 <schme> I'm sure I will as soon as I buy one (:
Dec 26 05:59:52 <summatusmentis> is there a way to give the 5500 usb host?
Dec 26 06:14:48 <summatusmentis> is there a way to give the 5500 usb host?
Dec 26 17:06:24 <annoyingspore> does anyone know if poodle(5600) images work with a collie (5500) ?
Dec 26 17:07:24 <CoreDump> they don't (different CPU)
Dec 26 17:07:43 <hrw> different storage space too
Dec 26 17:08:17 <CoreDump> I once booted a poodle rootfs on SD on Collie by accident
Dec 26 17:08:34 <CoreDump> it kinda did boot IIRC
Dec 26 17:08:48 <hrw> CoreDump: OZ it was?
Dec 26 17:08:55 <CoreDump> or was that a spitz rootfs on collie? hmm
Dec 26 17:09:03 <CoreDump> hrw: yes
Dec 26 17:09:17 <hrw> CoreDump: OZ was built for strongarm. Angstrom is more tuned
Dec 26 17:09:23 <CoreDump> ahh
Dec 26 17:09:30 <hrw> so poodle/spitz images will not work rather at all on collie
Dec 26 17:10:14 <annoyingspore> is a 5500 the oldest one?
Dec 26 17:10:25 <hrw> oldest supported
Dec 26 17:10:36 <hrw> there was sl-a300 before but it is very rare
Dec 26 17:11:15 <annoyingspore> but no one is actively working on it, and there are no downloadable files , i think
Dec 26 17:13:34 <hrw> on collie?
Dec 26 17:13:42 <annoyingspore> yes
Dec 26 17:13:44 <hrw> grab image from /autobuild/ and test it
Dec 26 17:16:37 <annoyingspore> oh, it wasnt in /unstable/images/
Dec 26 18:01:53 <humorum> who knows that the snapshot of framebuffer on angstrom ?
Dec 26 18:02:47 <humorum> i wanna take a snapshot of my android on spitz(C3000)...
Dec 26 18:03:04 <CoreDump> cat /dev/fb0 > /fb0.raw
Dec 26 18:03:14 <humorum> thanks
Dec 26 18:03:19 <CoreDump> works always but needs some conversion afterwards
Dec 26 18:03:32 <humorum> k
Dec 26 18:03:52 <CoreDump> "scap" might work as well
Dec 26 18:13:55 <humorum> rawtoppm 320 640 fb0.raw | pnmtopng > fb0.png works well, thanks !
Dec 26 18:15:21 <CoreDump> np ;)
Dec 26 19:42:51 <dcordes> XorA|gone, ping
Dec 26 20:07:15 <mimecar> hi
Dec 26 21:32:51 <mimecar> re
Dec 26 22:24:24 <mimecar> hi summatusmentis
Dec 26 22:24:36 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Dec 26 22:34:54 <nauj27> hi
Dec 26 22:35:09 <nauj27> !logs
Dec 26 22:35:09 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
Dec 26 22:35:10 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
Dec 26 22:35:11 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Dec 26 22:35:12 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
Dec 26 22:35:14 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Dec 26 23:57:13 <summatusmentis> desktop-file-utils-native build failed, anyone else having issues?
Dec 27 00:13:24 <CoreDump> NOTE: package desktop-file-utils-native-0.14: completed
Dec 27 00:17:29 <summatusmentis> hrm
Dec 27 00:17:35 <summatusmentis> thanks
Dec 27 00:17:45 <CoreDump> np
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