**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 06 02:59:57 2008 Jan 06 03:07:42 How long does a build usually take? Jan 06 03:09:53 OasisGames: ~ 8h for a build from scratch (it depends on your machine and what you put in ASSUME_PROVIDED) Jan 06 03:10:50 I'm doing the basic set up, what's listed on /building-angstrom Jan 06 03:11:38 Time's not an issue, just would like to know if it might be done by the time I get up tomorrow. Jan 06 03:13:35 base-image + console_image + x11-image .. hmm I would say between 4h and 7h Jan 06 03:16:46 OasisGames: ~ 7h is my last word Jan 06 05:02:03 summatusmentis: Ahh. well, I got my OE environment working, managed to build gpe-image and altboot-console-image, just need time to get my head around how to fix some of the bugs. So ultimately, I have nothing to report yet :-) Jan 06 05:02:26 I'll post any news to the dev mailing list tho Jan 06 05:06:37 ok, I will too, I was just wondering if you knew anything Jan 06 05:18:06 hey everybody Jan 06 05:18:29 quick question: how do i boot my poodle into console mode without starting x? Jan 06 05:26:02 http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS256&q=how+to+stop+x&btnG=Google+Search Jan 06 05:26:04 try that Jan 06 05:27:37 hmm k Jan 06 05:27:44 i was already looking on google Jan 06 05:27:53 its more difficult without control and alt keys Jan 06 05:28:44 I don't know if there's a way to specify whether or not you want X to start, beyond removing the bootscripts or something Jan 06 05:29:01 you could just use console-image Jan 06 05:29:05 hmm.. is there a way to just switch back and forth after booting? Jan 06 05:29:18 i want to have the gui, just be able to go into console only mode Jan 06 05:29:54 on my 3200, I can hold use fn+left and it'll drop to the vt Jan 06 05:30:41 fn+left doesnt seem to work.. do you have to hold them down for a while? Jan 06 05:31:16 no Jan 06 05:31:44 doesnt work then :( thx anyway Jan 06 05:31:59 on collie(5500) I feel like there's some big long sequence... I don't know what it is though Jan 06 05:32:13 Hmm... errors... Jan 06 05:32:34 lol damn Jan 06 05:32:37 on collie the big long sequence is for disabling splash screen Jan 06 05:32:44 cause poodle and collie prolly have the same key sequence Jan 06 05:32:48 oh ok Jan 06 05:32:52 oh, you're right agittins, my bad Jan 06 05:33:45 and for getting that ninja guy in street fighter to shoot out an iceball attack thingy "noar ru-ken!" Jan 06 05:34:14 same outcome too Jan 06 05:34:20 hehehe Jan 06 05:34:21 lol Jan 06 05:34:52 oh crap... you know what? I left my cf reader at school... Jan 06 05:35:07 that means I'm gonna have to use my 3200 as an intermediary to test collie Jan 06 05:36:05 /OE/org.../packages/qemu/qemu-native...bb failed Jan 06 05:36:09 >_< Jan 06 05:36:58 did you read your local.conf? Jan 06 05:37:32 where exactly? Jan 06 05:38:45 I'm not sure exactly, in the comments, somwhere, it tells you how to fix that Jan 06 05:38:53 usually it has to do with locale generation Jan 06 05:38:57 (iirc) Jan 06 05:45:17 "If your build breaks on qemu-native consider... blah blah" Jan 06 05:45:18 ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" Jan 06 05:46:34 yeah, that's it Jan 06 06:08:13 Um, yeah, it worked, but I think it's stuck in a loop trying to get fakeroot 1.7.1.1 or some version number like that.... Is that normal? Jan 06 06:08:45 fakeroot_1.7.1.tar.gz Jan 06 06:08:54 from like every Debian FTP mirror... Jan 06 06:12:41 OasisGames: I had that same problem a while ago, if you go to your sources folder and remove the fakeroot-*.lock file, see if that works Jan 06 06:15:32 Where is that/ Jan 06 06:15:33 ? Jan 06 06:16:32 on mine, it used to be ~/sources Jan 06 06:18:46 the file was removed from debian's FTP mirrors. Jan 06 06:19:51 you could download the file from sourceforge, and the .md5 that goes with it, and put it in ~/sources Jan 06 06:20:13 I could also just change the ..bb file to point to Jan 06 06:20:14 http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-sources/fakeroot_1.7.1.tar.gz Jan 06 07:02:47 does zaurus 3200 touchscreen recognize pressure strength? Jan 06 07:52:39 hi Jan 06 13:32:27 DarthWader: re touch pressure on 3200, I don't know, but I would be extremely surprised if it did. The cost of making a touch screen that gives x, y _and_ a z is far more than the cost of one that just does x and y, so I would expect not. Jan 06 14:04:55 hi Jan 06 14:05:17 DarthWader: yes, pressure is recognized Jan 06 14:05:32 DarthWader: look for "petite peinture" for cacko ROM Jan 06 14:05:56 DarthWader: IIRC was using a patched 2.4 kernel Jan 06 14:06:54 agittins: Sharp screen were the best in 2002-2003 Jan 06 14:07:16 wow! that's amazing Jan 06 14:07:20 agittins: CGI Silicon Jan 06 14:07:26 agittins: or what Jan 06 14:08:15 agittins: I never looked at it since cacko times... Jan 06 14:08:22 ant_: are there a range of Zaurii that have a pressure-reporting touch screen, or just the 3200? Jan 06 14:08:36 agittins: I'm talking about the c7x0 Jan 06 14:08:51 agittins: I suppose the c3xx also Jan 06 14:09:06 agittins: (pretty sure) Jan 06 14:10:27 agittins: yes http://www.handheld-linux.com/swi/showdetail.php?app=1613 Jan 06 14:10:29 that's really cool. Hmm... someone should write a bluetooth-hid app for those Z's, so that you can use them as a tablet for the gimp etc on a host pc Jan 06 14:13:48 ooh... by the looks of http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/27/171 there is pressure reporting support in collie too, if I am reading that right. Jan 06 14:14:15 agittins: your commits are welcome :-) Jan 06 14:14:36 I'm more a dreamer - comitting is an issue :-) Jan 06 14:15:19 I also already have a wacom tablet :-) Jan 06 15:06:00 using zaurus as tablet is a nice idea Jan 06 15:41:33 Failed... Jan 06 15:41:51 make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 Jan 06 15:41:52 make[1]: Leaving directory `/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/rx3000-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.21-hh20-r6/kernel26' Jan 06 15:41:52 make: *** [modules] Error 2 Jan 06 15:41:52 FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jan 06 16:21:53 hi, while updating my sharp zaurus c3200 it crashed, so i've a new kernel but no new kernel-drives (good timing ;-) ), anyway, what's the best way to recover this? Jan 06 16:21:57 install a new image? Jan 06 16:22:41 toma: by ipkd update? Jan 06 16:22:57 my wifi is no longer working Jan 06 16:23:16 if you copy ipk files to SD card you can still install them I think Jan 06 16:23:34 but quicker way would be fresh image Jan 06 16:23:44 you wont lose stuff in /home anyway Jan 06 16:24:34 oki, i bought a cardreader for that, so I'll try that Jan 06 16:25:25 there is no 2007.12 image for the zaurus c3200 ? Jan 06 16:25:29 * XorA|gone has spent hours doing things the manual way, then just thought, why did I just waste all those hours, a re-install would have taken max an hour :-) Jan 06 16:26:47 * toma browses to unstable/images Jan 06 16:27:17 * OasisGames is pissed because he can't get his rx3000 images to build. Jan 06 16:29:48 * jkent got bored and threw togeter a script to do irc text to speech on his zaurus with awk Jan 06 16:32:01 jkent, that sounds fun Jan 06 16:32:13 I'd be interested in the script if you felt like putting it up somewhere Jan 06 16:33:18 its not pretty, but sure... probably going to rewirte it in python, was a good into to using awk for the first time though Jan 06 16:33:57 is it a lot of awk? I would assume it's just enough to cut the text into single words and call the voice synthesizer? Jan 06 16:34:54 naw, i pushed the envelope of awk and did all kinds of strange things with it, haha Jan 06 16:35:21 now I'm very interested actually :D Jan 06 16:35:37 I've played with awk a little in the past but nothing beyond the basics Jan 06 16:35:41 is there anything happening in opie land currently? Jan 06 16:41:29 johnx: http://jeff.rabid-duck.net/stuff/ztalk.awk Jan 06 16:45:16 toma, I haven't heard anything, but I haven't been paying too much attention Jan 06 16:45:23 jkent, thanks Jan 06 16:49:42 heh, np Jan 06 16:51:11 anyways, I'm off for the night Jan 06 16:53:02 later Jan 06 16:53:25 'night Jan 06 16:59:51 Hello. Jan 06 17:00:09 need.... rx3000... images... Jan 06 17:04:42 I just bought a Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 running openzaurus.. I've configured the wireless network settings with some difficulty.. When I run ipkg update (or ipkg install anything) I get http://pastebin.com/d1e3728c8. Googling this reveals that it's usually a DNS or networking issue, but as many other things are resolving without a problem on the PDA, I don't think that's the problem. Anyone have any ideas? Jan 06 17:07:01 toynbe3: what wireless card? Jan 06 17:07:46 XorA|gone: hm, after a succesfull flah it wont boot Jan 06 17:08:04 A complact flash card labelled "Buffalo" .... one sec, I'll pull it out to find a model number. Jan 06 17:08:09 toma: with Angstrom 2007.12 image? Jan 06 17:08:29 Buffalo Airstation WLI2-CF-S11 Jan 06 17:08:47 XorA|gone: no, onstable, as i could not see an image for the c3200 zaurus Jan 06 17:09:10 Any ideas what's causing my build to fail: Jan 06 17:09:10 make[1]: Leaving directory `/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/rx3000-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.21-hh20-r6/kernel26' Jan 06 17:09:10 make: *** [modules] Error 2 Jan 06 17:09:10 FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jan 06 17:09:39 Hmm, Pidgin splits up my multi line messages and sends each line separately...[/random] Jan 06 17:10:24 So do most IRC clients. Jan 06 17:10:33 OasisGames: the error is above that Jan 06 17:10:55 irc has no provision for multi-line text Jan 06 17:11:44 WARNING: "s3c24xx_udc_set_platdata" [arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/rx3000/rx3000_udc.ko] undefined! Jan 06 17:11:44 make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 Jan 06 17:11:54 that's about all that comes before that. Jan 06 17:12:06 aside from a bunch of messages from make, none of which are errors. Jan 06 17:12:08 OasisGames: use pastebin instead Jan 06 17:12:15 ~pastebin Jan 06 17:12:27 !pastebin Jan 06 17:12:48 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Jan 06 17:14:36 :-( Jan 06 17:14:41 XorA|gone: ideas? Jan 06 17:14:48 http://pastebin.com/m8db30e8 Jan 06 17:14:53 That's the entire log file Jan 06 17:15:19 toma: damnation I thought we had a spitz maintainer Jan 06 17:15:27 I see lots of warnings, but the first instance of "error" is down when it says make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 Jan 06 17:15:59 toma: I havent flashed a spitz image for months, I dont even think my battery is charged Jan 06 17:18:08 XorA|gone: ok, so, are there any old images around? Jan 06 17:18:28 or what should i do? Jan 06 17:23:05 toynbe3: i had some similar issue with another card, there it helped to move the software firmware out of the way Jan 06 17:23:30 toma: Okay, I appreciate that.. Any chance you have a helpful article that could lead me through doing so? Jan 06 17:24:16 BRB. Jan 06 17:26:28 I have returned. Jan 06 17:26:59 toma: Im so totally ouch of touch with Angstrom at the moment Jan 06 17:27:33 toynbee: you have a /lib/firmware ? Jan 06 17:27:54 toynbee: iirc there are some files in there for each kernel driver Jan 06 17:28:37 toynbee: you might move the ones related to the wifi card temporary to your home dir Jan 06 17:34:05 hi all is there a replacement for kbdd? I could not find it in the repro. what is the recommend way to connect a serial keyboard with angstrom? Jan 06 17:34:55 toma, can you send your last messages to me again? Kinda lost internet connectivity. Jan 06 17:35:16 toynbee: you have a /lib/firmware ? Jan 06 17:35:20 toynbee: iirc there are some files in there for each kernel driver Jan 06 17:35:23 toynbee: you might move the ones related to the wifi card temporary to your home dir Jan 06 17:35:40 Ah, TY. Jan 06 17:35:43 And then what do I do..? Jan 06 17:35:46 * toynbee is a n00b. Jan 06 17:35:52 restart Jan 06 17:36:03 or reinsert Jan 06 17:36:08 TY. Jan 06 17:36:08 maybe Jan 06 17:36:23 I have: Jan 06 17:36:29 root@sharpbox:/lib/firmware# ls Jan 06 17:36:29 symbol_sp24t_prim_fw symbol_sp24t_sec_fw Jan 06 17:37:39 k, then you dont have the same problem as i had Jan 06 17:38:12 :-( Jan 06 17:38:23 Thank you for trying. Jan 06 18:05:42 site is down? Jan 06 18:15:34 Doesn't seem to be loading... Jan 06 18:17:21 i filed a bugreport and i'll wait for the answer Jan 06 18:17:30 thanks XorA|gone for your help Jan 06 18:22:56 Site is definitely not responding. Jan 06 18:27:40 indeed Jan 06 18:30:13 I asked the admins to look after it, could be some time until one gets online tho. Jan 06 18:42:23 ant_: have you ever taken your c7x running navit for a ride? Jan 06 18:43:39 CoreDump: not exactly...only with navit-0.0.2 Jan 06 18:43:55 CoreDump: I'm flashing with actual dev Jan 06 18:44:07 CoreDump: tomorow will go to work with gps Jan 06 18:44:43 CoreDump: BTW I read your comments.... Jan 06 18:44:49 ;) Jan 06 18:45:12 CoreDump: you are dev by #navit ? Jan 06 18:45:24 CoreDump: already? Jan 06 18:45:25 just lurking there Jan 06 18:45:33 CoreDump: =) Jan 06 18:45:39 and pestering them with bugreports =) Jan 06 18:45:52 * ant invested very well some bandwidth =) Jan 06 18:46:26 indeed Jan 06 18:46:27 CoreDump: xjqian commites practicalyy daily... Jan 06 18:46:42 CoreDump: what is the actual situation "speech"? Jan 06 18:46:42 He works on zroadmap Jan 06 18:46:51 CoreDump: he's in USA Jan 06 18:46:56 works with speech-dispatcher Jan 06 18:47:22 CoreDump: slow? Jan 06 18:47:25 navit+speach is useable on neo, takes _forever_ to even start on spitz :\ Jan 06 18:47:34 CoreDump: ... Jan 06 18:47:42 CoreDump: let them improve it... Jan 06 18:47:46 no, if neos screen were bigger, you could mount it in your car and use it Jan 06 18:48:21 CoreDump: you must have seen the foto on their site... Jan 06 18:48:29 which one? Jan 06 18:48:33 CoreDump: that huge lcd panel Jan 06 18:48:41 CoreDump: in auto Jan 06 18:48:46 hmm no, got an URL? Jan 06 18:48:54 1 mom Jan 06 18:51:09 CoreDump: ...where is it...was on navit wiki I thin.... Jan 06 18:58:38 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ is back btw Jan 06 18:58:52 CoreDump: I'm pretty sure was here http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Hardware#Touchscreen Jan 06 18:59:14 CoreDump: but the page has been changed (they earn some %) Jan 06 18:59:33 CoreDump: I remember the photo... Jan 06 18:59:52 no worries Jan 06 19:01:01 I always wanted to have one of these sweet carputers with LCD hidden in the DIN slit Jan 06 19:01:04 *slot Jan 06 19:01:26 http://rafb.net/p/WXu38p77.html Jan 06 19:01:31 wrong channel Jan 06 19:01:41 CoreDump: could have been 7" Jan 06 19:02:21 would be more than big enough for navigation (TomTom is 3.x to 4.x) Jan 06 19:10:45 CoreDump: you know... Pimp my Car Jan 06 19:11:00 =) It would be a fun project Jan 06 19:11:27 CoreDump: you probably won't see outside, but hey, nice screen! Jan 06 19:11:45 hehe Jan 06 19:11:52 CoreDump: + a couple of blue lights... Jan 06 19:12:27 CoreDump: unedr the car (actually traversing Austria I saw a couple) Jan 06 19:12:27 actually I pretty much came to hate blue LEDs... Jan 06 19:12:41 CoreDump: =) Jan 06 19:13:10 CoreDump: even bluetooth headset emits too much light! Jan 06 19:14:11 CoreDump: I think the next car we'll buy will be with navigator Jan 06 19:14:26 CoreDump: even cheap cars adopt it Jan 06 19:14:34 I'm thinking of getting a tomtom Jan 06 19:14:48 cheaper that a nav-radio and portable Jan 06 19:15:24 CoreDump: the cost not so much nowadays... Jan 06 19:15:33 *they Jan 06 19:15:53 CoreDump: and just works ?tm Jan 06 19:16:54 bbl Jan 06 19:17:33 cya Jan 06 23:11:16 Hmm... Jan 06 23:12:25 "s3c24xx_udc_set_platdata" undefined (yet it does exist in a referenced library)... Copy the function from that library's C source, toss it into the file that was looking for it, give a slight different name, and suddenly, no error... Jan 06 23:14:46 I sense a weird bug afoot... Jan 06 23:15:43 restarted base-image compilation, but kept the newly updated file (rx3000_udc.c) opened so when it got to the stage where it would overwrite it I could quickly ensure that the proper one was in place, seems to have worked.. Jan 06 23:16:29 ~400 of 500-something, I got passed where I failed last time! Now it's downloading a bunch of stuff... Jan 06 23:16:56 415/597 on the base-image... Jan 06 23:25:25 Huzzah! Jan 06 23:25:34 I haz my base image! Jan 06 23:25:37 next stop, console image Jan 06 23:31:40 I got my base-image to compile for my rx3715. Jan 06 23:31:47 ^_^ Jan 06 23:38:45 ftp.rpm.org isn't responding : O Jan 07 02:19:02 Ok Jan 07 02:19:02 yeah Jan 07 02:19:24 That definitely didn't take 8 hours, but it did take a while... Jan 07 02:19:39 When booting, I get "Warning: unable to open an initial console" Jan 07 02:22:52 lol, my charging lights are working though. Jan 07 02:23:10 battery dies when it's undocked... Jan 07 02:23:10 odd Jan 07 02:33:05 My kernel just tried to divide by zero. Jan 07 02:33:22 That's definitely a problem... Jan 07 02:33:43 it did it again Jan 07 02:33:58 it seems to be doing it when it switches the LED or power source, one of the two... Jan 07 02:36:10 trying an older kernel... Jan 07 02:36:13 It's booting... Jan 07 02:36:28 Yeah, that's definitely odd... But whatever... Jan 07 02:36:43 Guess I'm having kernel problems, I'll have to look into that... Jan 07 02:37:50 Um, yeah, it booted and is running. my kernel must be messed. Jan 07 02:39:35 wow, yeah, x is having *problems* kinda funny actually Jan 07 02:48:51 Ok, GPE login runs, and after I login I see the app launcher Jan 07 02:49:14 but then it flashes black, and returns to the GPE login screen. Jan 07 02:50:26 Actually Jan 07 02:50:33 it loads up everything Jan 07 02:50:40 then it flashes to a smaller font size Jan 07 02:50:47 then it goes back to the terminal Jan 07 02:50:53 then it loads up the app launcher again Jan 07 02:50:57 then it returns to the login screen. Jan 07 02:51:47 anyone? Jan 07 02:57:42 GPE kicks me back to the login screen after reaching the app manager, ideas? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 07 02:59:57 2008