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Jan 12 03:01:42 <Capn_Fish> OK.
Jan 12 03:01:45 <Capn_Fish> Thanks.
Jan 12 03:01:55 <summatusmentis> sure
Jan 12 03:04:59 <Capn_Fish> What web browser do you recommend?
Jan 12 03:05:37 <Capn_Fish> Coming from pdaXrom, there really isn't a good one (FF is too slow, Dillo renders poorly, nothing in between)
Jan 12 03:06:04 <summatusmentis> minimo is slow, but works the best
Jan 12 03:06:23 <Capn_Fish> What are the other options?
Jan 12 03:06:42 <summatusmentis> dillo, openmoko-browser2... I think that's it
Jan 12 03:06:48 <Capn_Fish> OK
Jan 12 03:07:02 <Capn_Fish> What about Galeon/Epiphany?
Jan 12 03:07:12 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure, it might be in the feeds
Jan 12 03:07:15 <Capn_Fish> k
Jan 12 03:07:40 <Capn_Fish> How slow is Minimo?
Jan 12 03:07:52 <Capn_Fish> FF takes ~20-30 seconds to load on pdaXrom
Jan 12 03:08:01 <Capn_Fish> and then renders at about 1/4 speed
Jan 12 03:08:20 <summatusmentis> not nearly that slow, it might just have to do with ram
Jan 12 03:08:31 <summatusmentis> takes maybe... 15 seconds to laod?
Jan 12 03:08:34 <summatusmentis> load*
Jan 12 03:08:38 <summatusmentis> you'd have to try it
Jan 12 03:14:21 <Capn_Fish> OK
Jan 12 03:14:42 <summatusmentis> it's also pretty dependent on the device
Jan 12 03:14:54 <Capn_Fish> What do you run it on?
Jan 12 04:00:37 <dcordes> where is the angstrom ipk feeds when you need them=
Jan 12 04:56:04 <pixelized> anybody experienced sqlite database locks?
Jan 12 05:26:35 <Capn_Fish> I just built a console image and installed xserver-kdrive-fbdev on it.
Jan 12 05:27:33 <Capn_Fish> when I try to run Xfbdev, it complains the "/lib/libc.so.6: version 'GLIBC_2.0' not found (required by /home/QtPalmtop/lib/libfreetype.so.6)
Jan 12 05:27:37 <Capn_Fish> How do I fix this?
Jan 12 05:28:11 <pixelized> is /lib/libc.so.6 actualy there
Jan 12 05:28:14 <pixelized> ls -lh /lib/libc.so.6
Jan 12 05:29:10 <Capn_Fish> It's a symlink to libc-2.5.so
Jan 12 05:29:17 <Capn_Fish> Is that the issue?
Jan 12 05:31:21 <Capn_Fish> Anybody?
Jan 12 05:31:27 <pixelized> strings /lib/libc.so.6 |grep "C Library"
Jan 12 05:32:10 <pixelized> pretty sure ur running glibc 2.5
Jan 12 05:32:15 <Capn_Fish> ya
Jan 12 05:32:17 <Capn_Fish> I am
Jan 12 05:32:28 <Capn_Fish> So do I recompile everything else?
Jan 12 05:32:47 <Capn_Fish> I'm OK with doing that if it will fix the problem.
Jan 12 05:32:51 <pixelized> not sure
Jan 12 05:33:01 <pixelized> i'm pretty new to OE as well
Jan 12 05:33:08 <Capn_Fish> What is the recommended course of action then?
Jan 12 05:33:13 <Capn_Fish> I see.
Jan 12 05:33:18 <pixelized> gonna have to ask today later on
Jan 12 05:33:23 <Capn_Fish> k
Jan 12 05:33:25 <Capn_Fish> Thanks
Jan 12 05:33:30 <pixelized> i don't want to make you try things and you end up wasting your time
Jan 12 05:33:42 <Capn_Fish> Thanks for that :)
Jan 12 05:34:09 <Capn_Fish> OK, I'm off.
Jan 12 05:34:13 <Capn_Fish> Thanks for the help
Jan 12 08:47:05 <pto> Hi guys - I have been building Angstrom 2008.1 for many hours using "bitbake vim" (just to get vim also) for the cm-x270 target - it crashes after many hours :/ on the .dev-branch
Jan 12 08:47:25 <pto> What I really want is to have at least qt4 in the build
Jan 12 08:48:06 <pto> however it says that there is no qt target (bitbake qt4) <- but that is in the repository
Jan 12 08:49:32 <pto> Is there a more stable branch I can try > my target is to have Qt 4.3 at least
Jan 12 09:09:26 <pto> Was it wrong to take the dev branch?
Jan 12 09:36:17 <cyrilRomain> morning all
Jan 12 09:42:21 <pto> Hi cyrilRomain 
Jan 12 09:46:55 <pto> Hrrm is it bitbake qt4-x11-free qtopia
Jan 12 09:47:04 <pto> trying that... 
Jan 12 09:48:03 <pto> or ... bitbake qt4-x11-free qtopia-core
Jan 12 12:53:24 <SyNko> hi
Jan 12 12:54:41 <SyNko> im glad to communicate that BB works on bsd, but it needs a strict local.conf syntax = = > no white spaces, no relative dir and so on..  YEAH i did it, in my free time..
Jan 12 12:55:47 <SyNko> noone help me , im really happy because ive a strong d1ck-he4d , that another time help me to brake walls :)
Jan 12 12:56:58 <SyNko> humm.. very very little step.. but is my first on this planet,,
Jan 12 12:57:53 <cyrilRomain> SyNko: I'm glad you did it :)
Jan 12 12:59:32 <SyNko> cyrilRomain: n ice
Jan 12 14:25:17 <tobb> anyone tried a recent 2008.1-test with c7x0?, mine hangs when I insert the usbnet cable
Jan 12 16:36:53 <Capn_Fish> I built the package xserver-kdrive-common, but I can't find it. It's not with the other packages
Jan 12 16:38:44 <summatusmentis> what do you mean not with the other packages?
Jan 12 16:39:11 <Capn_Fish> I bitbaked it, it says it finished, but there is no "xserver-kdrive-common" package
Jan 12 16:40:02 <Capn_Fish> nevermind
Jan 12 16:40:04 <Capn_Fish> I found it
Jan 12 16:40:31 <summatusmentis> oh, ok
Jan 12 16:44:55 <SyNko> anyone knows how to change classes dir from relative path to absolute?
Jan 12 16:47:43 <SyNko> (on bitbake loading)
Jan 12 17:26:58 <kf> hi all
Jan 12 17:27:19 <kf> just wondering what the difference is between 
Jan 12 17:27:19 <kf> just wondering what the difference is between  [18:27] [kf(+ei)] [7:#angstrom(+n)] [Act: 2]
Jan 12 17:27:22 <kf> [#angstrom] just wondering what the difference is between
Jan 12 17:27:23 <kf> oups
Jan 12 17:27:50 <kf> Angstrom-altboot-console-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-spitz-installkit.tgz and Angstrom-console-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-spitz-installkit.tgz ?
Jan 12 17:28:19 <cyrilRomain> kf: the only difference is that altboot = console-image + altboot
Jan 12 17:28:36 <kf> cyrilRomain: why would i need altboot ?
Jan 12 17:28:52 <kf> cyrilRomain: do i need it ?
Jan 12 17:29:28 <cyrilRomain> kf: I can't answer for you, if you need it, use altboot-console-image, if you don't then use console-image ;)
Jan 12 17:30:08 <kf> i'll try the alboot then, im not 0.1M short
Jan 12 17:31:00 <summatusmentis> altboot lets you decide which device you want to boot off of
Jan 12 17:31:18 <summatusmentis> you can boot from SD, or CF, or various partitions on the MD if you've got a spitz
Jan 12 17:31:34 <kf> ok
Jan 12 17:38:59 <kf> looks spiffy
Jan 12 17:40:14 <summatusmentis> I usually get the altboot image because I like having that option
Jan 13 00:01:20 <Capn_Fish> How do I successfully install packages to external media?
Jan 13 00:04:40 <CoreDump|Zzzz> you don't and you can thank koen for that
Jan 13 00:04:49 <CoreDump|Zzzz> n8
Jan 13 00:06:02 <Capn_Fish> OK, then how do I make it so I have more than 32MB in /
Jan 13 00:06:03 <Capn_Fish> ?
Jan 13 00:29:00 <bluelightning> Capn_Fish: if you have some large files in / that are not required for booting, you can move them to a card and symlink them manually
Jan 13 00:29:47 <bluelightning> that kind of configuration won't play very nicely with ipkg when it comes time to upgrade though
Jan 13 01:20:08 <summatusmentis> Capn_Fish: you could put / on external media
Jan 13 01:27:36 <bluelightning> summatusmentis: true... of course the only problem with that is you then can't use the slot for anything else
Jan 13 01:28:06 <bluelightning> not so much of an issue for SD but it is if you have cool CF gadgets you can no longer use :)
Jan 13 01:29:09 <summatusmentis> yes, that's true
Jan 13 01:29:36 <summatusmentis> I wish cell companies sold CF data cards, that'd be awesome
Jan 13 01:30:23 <bluelightning> there used to be some available
Jan 13 01:32:58 <Capn_Fish> Sorry, I've been away for a bit.
Jan 13 01:33:19 <Capn_Fish>  Is there a way to edit the autoboot.sh script that resizes your partitions?
Jan 13 01:33:33 <Capn_Fish> It claims to be a shell script, but appears to be a binary
Jan 13 01:43:38 <Capn_Fish> Oops, updater.sh, not autoboot.sh
Jan 13 01:44:28 <Capn_Fish> doing a "file updater.sh" claims that it is "data"
Jan 13 01:44:36 <summatusmentis> Capn_Fish: what device?
Jan 13 01:44:44 <Capn_Fish> Zaurus Akita
Jan 13 01:45:00 <summatusmentis> C1000 right?
Jan 13 01:45:11 <Capn_Fish> I'm using a C3100, but yes
Jan 13 01:45:40 <Capn_Fish> I'm using Akita because I want to run from flash and not the microdrive
Jan 13 01:48:18 <summatusmentis> wait, you're using an akita imageon a 3100?
Jan 13 01:48:20 <summatusmentis> image on*
Jan 13 01:48:24 <Capn_Fish> Yes
Jan 13 01:48:30 <Capn_Fish> They're practically the same device
Jan 13 01:48:43 <Capn_Fish> Just the C3100 has a microdrive
Jan 13 01:48:53 <summatusmentis> I thought there were hardware differences?
Jan 13 01:48:55 <Capn_Fish> C1000+microdrive=C3100
Jan 13 01:49:00 <summatusmentis> are you building this?
Jan 13 01:49:33 <Capn_Fish> I did build it, yes
Jan 13 01:49:44 <Capn_Fish> The image, that is
Jan 13 01:50:09 <summatusmentis> you could just build a .jffs image for 3100
Jan 13 01:50:42 <Capn_Fish> Why?
Jan 13 01:51:05 <Capn_Fish> They're the same device, so why not use Akita? Am I going to hit issues sometime?
Jan 13 01:52:03 <summatusmentis> that's the thing, I don't think they are the same device
Jan 13 01:52:12 <Capn_Fish> They are
Jan 13 01:52:24 <Capn_Fish> Same CPU, same RAM, same screen, etc.
Jan 13 01:53:27 <Capn_Fish> Angstrom may be able to build for both, but AFAIK the only difference is that the C3x00 build installs to the internal microdrive and the C1000 image installs to flash
Jan 13 01:54:30 <Capn_Fish> Unless I'm mistaken?
Jan 13 01:54:55 <summatusmentis> you might be right, I felt like there were some other hardware differences, but I don't know why I think that
Jan 13 01:55:29 <Capn_Fish> Not that I'm aware of.
Jan 13 01:55:53 <Capn_Fish> Everything I've heard says that they are identical except for the internal CF slot
Jan 13 01:56:12 <Capn_Fish> Even the cases are the same, the C1000 just has extra empty space in it
Jan 13 01:56:25 <summatusmentis> hmmm... so why can't you just put a MD in the C1000?
Jan 13 01:57:08 <Capn_Fish> Nope. It lacks the internal connector
Jan 13 01:58:20 <summatusmentis> right... huh, I don't know why I think there's a difference
Jan 13 01:58:44 <Capn_Fish> Maybe between the C860 and C1000?
Jan 13 01:58:50 <Capn_Fish> Or C1000 and C3000?
Jan 13 01:59:03 <summatusmentis> no... I don't know
Jan 13 01:59:06 <Capn_Fish> C3000 has only 16MB flash, so you must run off of the microdrive
Jan 13 01:59:12 <Capn_Fish> No problem
Jan 13 01:59:17 <Capn_Fish> You may be right yet
Jan 13 01:59:34 <summatusmentis> I think there's a difference between flash and RAM
Jan 13 01:59:54 <Capn_Fish> There is. 128 MB flash, 64 MB RAM
Jan 13 02:00:05 <Capn_Fish> in the C1000, 3100, and 3200
Jan 13 02:00:08 <summatusmentis> so then why do you only have 32MB?
Jan 13 02:00:14 <Capn_Fish> On the root partition
Jan 13 02:00:18 <Capn_Fish> the rest is on /home
Jan 13 02:00:29 <Capn_Fish> I didn't get a choice. Angstrom just did it for me
Jan 13 02:04:26 <summatusmentis> hmm
Jan 13 02:04:43 <Capn_Fish> Do you know offhand if Angstrom even partitions your flash?
Jan 13 02:04:53 <Capn_Fish> It may have happened when I did the NAND restore
Jan 13 02:05:54 <summatusmentis> no idea
Jan 13 02:06:19 <Capn_Fish> hmm
Jan 13 02:06:56 <summatusmentis> why don't you just install to the MD?
Jan 13 02:07:20 <Capn_Fish> I like how fast the flash responds, plus it saves battery to not be spinning the MD all of the time.
Jan 13 02:08:11 <summatusmentis> I guess
Jan 13 02:08:42 <Capn_Fish> If I try to build a C3x00 image, will it recompile all of my cross tools, or is OE smart enough not to?
Jan 13 02:09:23 <summatusmentis> I honestly don't know, when I built images, I just built stock images, didn't mess around w/ other stuff
Jan 13 02:09:40 <Capn_Fish> Me neither. I didn't mess with anything
Jan 13 02:09:50 <Capn_Fish> I will once I figure out how, though :)
Jan 13 02:09:56 <summatusmentis> aside from the machine type :-)
Jan 13 02:10:05 <Capn_Fish> That's not messing
Jan 13 02:10:11 <Capn_Fish> They're the same device
Jan 13 02:10:29 <Capn_Fish> For most intents and purposes
Jan 13 02:10:31 <summatusmentis> well, unless you have to rebuild the toolchaing
Jan 13 02:10:36 <summatusmentis> toolchain*
Jan 13 02:11:27 <Capn_Fish> I doubt it
Jan 13 02:11:39 <Capn_Fish> I would hope OE is smart enough to realize that they work the same
Jan 13 02:12:20 <Capn_Fish> C3x00 would be Spitz, no?
Jan 13 02:13:13 <summatusmentis> yep
Jan 13 02:13:22 <Capn_Fish> k
Jan 13 02:13:26 <Capn_Fish> Let's see how this works
Jan 13 02:18:23 <Capn_Fish> Nice, it's not recompiling GCC and stuff :)
Jan 13 02:19:00 <summatusmentis> congrats :-)
Jan 13 02:19:05 <Capn_Fish> Is there a way to not build locale packages?
Jan 13 02:19:17 <summatusmentis> yeah, check out your local.conf
Jan 13 02:19:25 <Capn_Fish> Where do I look?
Jan 13 02:19:50 <summatusmentis> it's in the comments somewhere, same area as where qemu-native is assumed
Jan 13 02:20:51 <Capn_Fish> Found it. THanks
Jan 13 02:20:59 <summatusmentis> sure thing
Jan 13 02:23:15 <Capn_Fish> Do you know where it stores what goes into a "console" or "X11" image?
Jan 13 02:23:20 <Capn_Fish> I'd like to make a custom image
Jan 13 02:24:39 <summatusmentis> same dir as where it stores the ipkgs
Jan 13 02:24:48 <summatusmentis> oh wait, I misunderstood
Jan 13 02:24:57 <summatusmentis> not sure
Jan 13 02:25:01 * summatusmentis leaves for now
Jan 13 02:25:04 <Capn_Fish> k
Jan 13 02:28:42 <Capn_Fish> Thanks for the help
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