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Jan 18 05:23:10 <DaedalusX> hi all
Jan 18 05:23:14 <DaedalusX> anyone here use LIRC?
Jan 18 05:27:19 <johnx> as in the IRC client or the remote control stuff over IR?
Jan 18 05:27:28 <DaedalusX> remote control
Jan 18 05:27:46 <johnx> nah, I tried it on my zaurus sl5500 way back, though
Jan 18 05:29:14 <DaedalusX> damn
Jan 18 05:29:15 <DaedalusX> oh well
Jan 18 05:29:55 <johnx> DaedalusX, what are you trying to do?
Jan 18 05:30:07 <DaedalusX> get LIRC working with the IR port on my akita
Jan 18 05:30:16 <johnx> ah, I thought that might be it
Jan 18 05:30:25 <DaedalusX> I guess I need to compile the lirc_sir module
Jan 18 05:30:35 <DaedalusX> but I dunno how to pass configure options through bitbake
Jan 18 05:30:35 <johnx> I don't know if that will do it
Jan 18 05:31:19 <johnx> you open up the recipe and add a line that's something like EXTRA_OECONF=" --enable-foo"
Jan 18 05:31:20 <DaedalusX> well that's the module I need according to the LIRC people
Jan 18 05:31:26 <DaedalusX> ah, that's how I do it?
Jan 18 05:31:49 <johnx> yeah, but I'm not sure about IR on the akita
Jan 18 05:32:08 <johnx> hang on a sec, let me find something...
Jan 18 05:36:29 <johnx> you might find this relevant: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25144&st=0&p=172254&#entry172254
Jan 18 05:37:42 <johnx> If I understand this correctly you might need to write your own code to control this :|
Jan 18 05:39:17 <DaedalusX> johnx, hmmm
Jan 18 05:40:35 <DaedalusX> johnx, well there's a video online of some guy using his clamshell zaurus as a remote control
Jan 18 05:40:55 <johnx> could it be a 760/750?
Jan 18 05:41:19 <johnx> also, this might have been possible in 2.4?
Jan 18 05:46:13 <DaedalusX> yeah it was the 760
Jan 18 05:46:21 <DaedalusX> which might have a completely different IR port
Jan 18 05:46:30 <DaedalusX> wait, it had the pxa255 right?
Jan 18 05:46:44 <johnx> yeah
Jan 18 05:47:01 <DaedalusX> *sigh*
Jan 18 05:47:30 <johnx> sorry to crush your hopes
Jan 18 05:48:26 <DaedalusX> that'd suck if it could only be used for IrDA
Jan 18 05:48:28 <DaedalusX> useless. :P
Jan 18 05:48:33 <johnx> heh
Jan 18 05:48:39 <johnx> my phone actually does IRDA :)
Jan 18 05:50:17 <DaedalusX> yeah but I don't have a fancy schmancy phone :P
Jan 18 05:54:30 <DaedalusX> johnx, well lemme see... lirc_sir is the driver meant for serial infrared ports
Jan 18 05:54:36 <DaedalusX> like the one in the akita
Jan 18 05:56:01 <johnx> I am not an expert at this, I just figured I would show you the thread, since I remembered it
Jan 18 05:56:14 <johnx> if you think you can make it worth, then go for it
Jan 18 05:57:32 <DaedalusX> johnx, might as well
Jan 18 06:01:59 <pixelized> any clue on hostap packet injection was compiled in the kernel modules?
Jan 18 06:04:05 <johnx> pixelized, all I see is hostap-monitor-mode.patch
Jan 18 06:08:37 <DaedalusX> johnx, btw, they've got LIRC running on the NSLU2, which is an xscale chip
Jan 18 06:09:09 <johnx> cool
Jan 18 06:09:14 <johnx> so maybe I'm just confused
Jan 18 06:09:18 <johnx> wouldn't be the first time
Jan 18 06:09:51 <johnx> tell me if you get it working. I'd like to do the same. :)
Jan 18 06:09:56 <DaedalusX> sure
Jan 18 08:22:43 <ffc> can anybody tell me from which kernel version is MIPv6 included?
Jan 18 09:00:43 <johnx> ffc, do you know what the kernel config option is?
Jan 18 09:03:54 <ffc> CONFIG_IPV6_MIPV6 I think
Jan 18 09:05:26 <johnx> the kernel for which device?
Jan 18 09:05:52 <ffc> in this case I don't mind
Jan 18 09:06:10 <ffc> I mean the linux kernel for i386 (desktop)
Jan 18 09:06:22 <johnx> aaaaah
Jan 18 09:06:22 <johnx> ok
Jan 18 09:07:36 <ffc> CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6, sorry
Jan 18 09:08:00 <johnx> 2.4.19 maybe?
Jan 18 09:08:14 <johnx> or maybe that was via a patch
Jan 18 09:08:14 <ffc> it sounds good
Jan 18 09:08:15 <johnx> hmm
Jan 18 09:08:30 <ffc> I know that 2.6.23 has it included
Jan 18 09:08:41 <ffc> as well as 2.6.22
Jan 18 09:08:52 <johnx> probably anything 2.6
Jan 18 09:08:59 <simon_> hi, i am working on a project where i may require a some quite recent software on a nokia 770 ...
Jan 18 09:09:09 <ffc> yes, but I need the x in 2.6.x
Jan 18 09:09:27 <ffc> where can I find it?
Jan 18 09:09:30 <simon_> because of the dependencies its not quite possible to just cross-compile a few packages for maemo
Jan 18 09:09:46 <simon_> is it reasonable to try and do it using angstrom/OE?
Jan 18 09:10:27 <simon_> (the normal internet-tablet functionality is not really required .. i'll be using wifi, usb host etc)
Jan 18 09:21:05 <hrw> morning
Jan 18 09:21:44 <hrw> simon_: angstrom supports 770
Jan 18 09:21:54 <hrw> how good it works I have no idea
Jan 18 09:22:39 <johnx> simon_, angstrom or debian are both a good bet
Jan 18 09:23:02 <simon_> yeah .. i've seen the (i assume unused and therefore) empty folders in the angstrom image repositories for nokia 770
Jan 18 09:23:05 <hrw> johnx: debian do not support 770 rather
Jan 18 09:23:07 <johnx> simon_, either way you'll probably want to use a Nokia built kernel, and an angstrom or debian rootfs
Jan 18 09:23:20 <hrw> simon_: look into unstable/autobuild/
Jan 18 09:23:36 <hrw> johnx: no shit... angstrom provides working kernel
Jan 18 09:24:03 <johnx> hrw, I thought Nokia's wireless stuff was closed source
Jan 18 09:24:14 <hrw> so?
Jan 18 09:24:32 <hrw> johnx: it is closed but we have hack to make it work with our kernels
Jan 18 09:24:42 <johnx> ok, did not know that
Jan 18 09:24:51 <hrw> anyway I refuse to do any support of finnish tablets.
Jan 18 09:24:58 <simon_> hrw, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/nokia770/ << these were the empty dirs i was talking about ;)
Jan 18 09:25:04 <hrw> simon_: ah
Jan 18 09:25:16 <hrw> simon_: try Poky then: http://pokylinux.org/
Jan 18 09:26:46 <simon_> hrw, wow, you are right .. they are autobuilding 770 images .. nice .. so i can try using an image before even attempting to bake one myself ;)
Jan 18 09:26:59 <simon_> i totally forgot about poky ..
Jan 18 09:27:04 <johnx> Debian might not "support" the 770 but it is entirely possible to take a Nokia (or angstrom) kernel and a Debian EABI rootfs and put them together
Jan 18 09:30:42 <hrw> johnx: sure.. but then forget about x11
Jan 18 09:30:51 <hrw> forget about internal wifi too
Jan 18 09:31:35 <hrw> johnx: many people try with debian on arm devices. but why many of them have to take half of angstrom rootfs to make it works?
Jan 18 09:31:35 <johnx> yes, he'll have to copy like two binaries over from the Nokia filesystem
Jan 18 09:31:51 <hrw> johnx: if they will be compatible.........
Jan 18 09:32:23 <hrw> zaurus folks which use debian on Z usually grabs many components from angstrom just to have some things working
Jan 18 09:32:33 <simon_> johnx, yeah, this would be interesting in a less deprecated device .. i got my 770 around and therefore want to use it .. the effort of "making it work with debian" would only be wise if it would help a more recent platform to work ..
Jan 18 09:33:19 <johnx> all I was saying is what's out there. I don't care what other people do with their devices.
Jan 18 09:33:35 <johnx> hrw, and I am a big fan of Angstrom/OE
Jan 18 09:34:02 <hrw> 770... I have os2006 on it but it is not supported and some apps just do not work anymore
Jan 18 09:36:43 <johnx> I have an n800 and an akita, but I'm quickly getting tired of Nokia's Linux distro
Jan 18 09:37:38 <hrw> ;)
Jan 18 09:37:57 <hrw> you are happy that you do not have 770 then
Jan 18 09:38:02 <hrw> its so underpowered...
Jan 18 09:39:01 <johnx> I am glad I waited
Jan 18 09:39:15 <johnx> still, no one can seem to make a device that I really like
Jan 18 09:39:38 <hrw> I got 770 from maemo developer
Jan 18 09:40:04 <johnx> I got my n800 from a "store closing" sale
Jan 18 09:40:14 <hrw> brand new one - but it was after n800 release and few months later 770 became unsupported
Jan 18 09:40:18 * hrw -> afk
Jan 18 09:42:11 <simon_> hrw, johnx .. did you try the n810 yet? from an end-user perspective it seems to be quite a step forward ..
Jan 18 09:42:37 <johnx> I haven't got a chance to see one yet in person
Jan 18 09:42:59 <johnx> from reading reviews I'd probably dislike the keyboard
Jan 18 09:43:38 <johnx> I'm really used to the Zaurus C1000 keyboard at this point
Jan 18 09:44:58 <simon_> you'll have to try it yourself .. true .. the size is a bit small and the space above is limited  ... but i could not reproduce the terrible ratings some reviews stated ..
Jan 18 09:45:16 <simon_> but then i never used a zaurus .. ;)
Jan 18 09:45:39 <johnx> I'm just used to having a full row of numbers, a tab key, and enough leftovers to have control and alt
Jan 18 09:47:46 <simon_> ctrl keys are there .. but yeah .. numbers and symbols still need the additional modifyer
Jan 18 09:48:15 <johnx> I'm just picky :)
Jan 18 10:04:15 <hrw> simon: finnish tablets are not available in Poland
Jan 18 10:06:03 <XorA> n810 keyboard is bad unless you have extra small thumbs
Jan 18 10:09:14 <hrw> XorA: can you compare it to collie/poodle/tosa/c7x0 keyboard?
Jan 18 10:14:26 <XorA> better than collie/tosa worse than c7x0
Jan 18 10:16:01 <hrw> thx
Jan 18 10:16:09 <hrw> and no tab key
Jan 18 10:16:22 <XorA> tab key is bottom left of the touchscreen when in terminal
Jan 18 10:16:26 <XorA> so easy to hit
Jan 18 10:16:37 <hrw> in terminal
Jan 18 10:16:43 <hrw> but not in maemopadplus
Jan 18 10:16:59 <XorA> worse fault is, it doesnt slide down far enough so hitting top row of keys with thumb is difficult
Jan 18 10:17:07 <XorA> maemopad+ is dire anyway :-(
Jan 18 11:33:02 <yo_> Hi
Jan 18 11:34:12 <yo_> I installed angstrom 2007.12 in my ipaq 3950 from cf card, everything was ok when writing to the rom but when booting screen goes black an nothing else happens. What can I do? please
Jan 18 11:50:23 <hrw> I would ask on ML
Jan 18 11:51:51 <yo_> Ok, thkx hrw
Jan 18 18:40:14 <simon_> hi, i am now trying to build an image for nokia770 and seem to be hitting http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3282 ...
Jan 18 18:40:42 <simon_> what version of the underlying gcc is recommended to prevent such issues?
Jan 18 18:41:27 <XorA|gone> 3.X
Jan 18 19:50:03 <Pixelized> anybody got info on hostap + injection...is the angstrom kernel modules patched or not?
Jan 18 19:59:20 <kRiMe8> is the x11 image still to big to install on sl-5600
Jan 18 20:25:52 <hvontres|work> kRiMe8: it will flash, but there is hardly any room left over
Jan 18 20:26:09 <hvontres|work> kRiMe8: have you used altboot before
Jan 18 20:26:39 <Pixelized> altboot of sdcard! or cf! is pretty practical
Jan 18 20:31:13 <Pixelized> so no one knows if hostap is patched for injection?
Jan 18 20:56:48 <seattleweb> I'm running the Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-h5000.rootfs.jffs2 image on my h5450.. I can't access bugtracker, so can anyone tell me if wifi is supported?
Jan 18 21:13:17 <Pixelized> should be
Jan 18 21:13:27 <seattleweb> no luck...
Jan 18 21:13:32 <Pixelized> what card?
Jan 18 21:13:36 <seattleweb> amtel
Jan 18 21:13:41 <seattleweb> built in
Jan 18 21:13:52 <Pixelized> lsmod ?
Jan 18 21:13:56 <seattleweb> nada
Jan 18 21:14:14 <Pixelized> and iwconfig returns no wifi correct?
Jan 18 21:14:18 <seattleweb> right
Jan 18 21:14:29 <Pixelized> atmel what
Jan 18 21:14:30 <Pixelized> ?
Jan 18 21:14:33 <seattleweb> 1 sec
Jan 18 21:14:42 <Pixelized> pccardctl ident
Jan 18 21:16:17 <seattleweb> nada
Jan 18 21:17:15 <Pixelized> hum
Jan 18 21:17:17 <seattleweb> nothing in dmesg for the card either
Jan 18 21:17:35 <Pixelized> and what atmel?
Jan 18 21:17:40 <seattleweb> 1 sec...
Jan 18 21:18:06 <seattleweb> AT76C503
Jan 18 21:18:38 <Pixelized> that one usualy requires a firmware upgrade
Jan 18 21:18:57 <Pixelized> but i think they now load the firmware
Jan 18 21:19:07 <seattleweb> hmm
Jan 18 21:19:52 <Pixelized> modprobe at76c503
Jan 18 21:20:01 <seattleweb> nada
Jan 18 21:20:07 <Pixelized> nada =
Jan 18 21:20:10 <Pixelized> module ain't there?
Jan 18 21:20:11 <seattleweb> nothing
Jan 18 21:20:12 <Pixelized> failed to load it?
Jan 18 21:20:16 <seattleweb> not there
Jan 18 21:20:41 <seattleweb> i've searched for it throughout as well and its not there apparently
Jan 18 21:20:48 <Pixelized> modprobe at56c503-rfmd?
Jan 18 21:20:56 <seattleweb> 1 sec..
Jan 18 21:21:06 <seattleweb> not found
Jan 18 21:21:31 <seattleweb> do u have the same device?
Jan 18 21:21:33 <Pixelized> lsmod | grep uhci
Jan 18 21:21:35 <Pixelized> no i don't 
Jan 18 21:21:50 <Pixelized> seems u do not have the module for it
Jan 18 21:22:01 <Pixelized> u are doing this as root correct?
Jan 18 21:22:05 <seattleweb> yep
Jan 18 21:22:17 <Pixelized> did you check in /proc or /sys for it?
Jan 18 21:22:21 <Pixelized> see if it's in the device list?
Jan 18 21:22:25 <seattleweb> looking now..
Jan 18 21:24:31 <seattleweb> no where to be found
Jan 18 21:24:36 <hvontres|work> seattleweb: check this out : http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/2008-January/001340.html
Jan 18 21:25:15 <seattleweb> ok...
Jan 18 21:26:02 <Pixelized> hvontres|work: u might know this
Jan 18 21:26:17 <Pixelized> hvontres|work: was the hostap module in 2007.12 release compiled with packet injection?
Jan 18 21:26:45 <hvontres|work> Pixelized: not sure... I am guessing probably not tho..
Jan 18 21:27:07 * hvontres|work hasn't done any wifi hacking
Jan 18 21:27:07 <Pixelized> hvontres|work: in bitbake how do i tell it to compile kernel modules? or just the kernel?
Jan 18 21:27:26 <Pixelized> like compiling nano or other stuff is easy just call up the name of the package
Jan 18 21:27:29 <hvontres|work> Pixelized: bitbake virtual/kernel
Jan 18 21:27:36 <hvontres|work> Pixelized: what device
Jan 18 21:27:44 <Pixelized> terrier (spitz)
Jan 18 21:28:09 <Pixelized> which angstrom seems to detect as borzoi
Jan 18 21:29:00 <hvontres|work> Pixelized: for Zaurus machines you can also use bitbake linux-rp-<kernelversion>
Jan 18 21:29:14 <seattleweb> no luck with the AT76C503
Jan 18 21:29:18 <Pixelized> and that will compile everything and modules
Jan 18 21:29:30 <Pixelized> no way to just compile modules i guess
Jan 18 21:29:37 <Pixelized> aka make modules lol
Jan 18 21:30:02 <Pixelized> seattleweb: have u tried the modprobe acx and modprobe hx4700_acx?
Jan 18 21:30:38 <hvontres|work> Pixelized: not easily, but a full build only takes ~30 minutes or so on a 1.9Ghz AMD dual core laptop
Jan 18 21:31:39 <Pixelized> interesting
Jan 18 21:31:42 <seattleweb> yes... there doesnt seem to be a single wifi driver in the distro
Jan 18 21:31:59 <Pixelized> turion 64 x2 tl-58 on my lappy
Jan 18 21:32:16 <Pixelized> mind u i find some things are long to compile
Jan 18 21:32:57 <seattleweb> hvontres|work: I'm using Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-h5000.rootfs.jffs2 image on my h5450
Jan 18 21:36:53 <hvontres|work> Pixelized: glibc comes to mind... but then I used to build stuff on my old dual PII-333....
Jan 18 21:37:16 <hvontres|work> seattleweb: sorry, can't help you there... I only have a Zaurus sl-5600
Jan 18 21:37:25 <seattleweb> no problem
Jan 18 21:37:48 <Pixelized> seattleweb: how muchspace do you have for your installation
Jan 18 21:38:05 <seattleweb> not much... my sd card died
Jan 18 21:41:44 <Pixelized> all i see so far for packages are hostap and orinoco
Jan 18 21:42:04 <seattleweb> looks like it
Jan 18 21:42:08 <Pixelized> seattleweb: do you have an OE/bitbake build environment?
Jan 18 21:42:20 <seattleweb> i could set one up
Jan 18 21:42:51 <seattleweb> i may actually be purchasing a zaurus clamshell soon, so i've been putting it off
Jan 18 21:43:52 <Pixelized> u should get it up and running =)
Jan 18 21:43:56 <Pixelized> what clamshell version?
Jan 18 21:44:01 <seattleweb> 3200 ;>)
Jan 18 21:44:18 <Pixelized> same as i did hehe
Jan 18 21:44:28 <seattleweb> kewl
Jan 18 21:44:37 <Pixelized> very nice little pda
Jan 18 21:44:53 <Pixelized> seems to be very popular within the community
Jan 18 21:45:18 <seattleweb> as soon as i sell my sony ux280p, I've got a 3200 lined up from a friend... probably by sunday
Jan 18 21:45:23 <seattleweb> hopefully*
Jan 18 21:45:35 <Pixelized> he's getting rid of his 3200?
Jan 18 21:46:03 <Pixelized> why are u selling uf ux280p?
Jan 18 21:46:04 <seattleweb> yep. he doesn't use it anymore since he got his eepc. how do you like yours so far?
Jan 18 21:46:12 <Pixelized> love it
Jan 18 21:46:16 <Pixelized> was looking at eepc
Jan 18 21:46:19 <Pixelized> but i find it big
Jan 18 21:46:23 <seattleweb> yep
Jan 18 21:47:13 <seattleweb> i work with a net security/pentesting company on the side, so size matters
Jan 18 21:47:31 <Pixelized> yeah
Jan 18 21:47:35 <Pixelized> i have the sl-c3200 for that
Jan 18 21:47:39 <Pixelized> and my tx1314ca
Jan 18 21:47:47 <seattleweb> nice
Jan 18 21:48:19 <seattleweb> i was using the sony ux with a rt73, but it's too bulky and gets really hot 
Jan 18 21:48:30 <Pixelized> the tx1314ca gets hot 2
Jan 18 21:48:40 <seattleweb> i bet
Jan 18 21:48:49 <seattleweb> scary at times
Jan 18 21:48:51 <Pixelized> but it's a good little tablet pc
Jan 18 21:49:01 <Pixelized> well my proc is way under the thermal breakdown temp
Jan 18 21:49:07 <Pixelized> when i find it 2 hot
Jan 18 21:49:11 <Pixelized> so that kinda comforts me a tad
Jan 18 21:49:44 <Pixelized> gotta close up shop
Jan 18 21:49:46 <Pixelized> cia later =)
Jan 18 21:49:47 <Pixelized> take care
Jan 18 21:49:50 <seattleweb> u2
Jan 18 22:11:36 <ant_> hi *
Jan 18 22:11:46 <li1> hi
Jan 18 22:11:52 <ant_> hi pixelized, hardware master!
Jan 18 22:45:30 <li1> OMG!!! this angstrom thing ROCKS
Jan 18 23:10:57 <hvontres|work> ~seen koen
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