**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 19 02:59:56 2008
Jan 19 12:32:16 <SyNko> r4se
Jan 19 16:12:21 <mimecar> hi
Jan 19 16:13:14 <dcordes_> hey mimecar 
Jan 19 16:13:35 <dcordes_> finally tested angstrom release
Jan 19 16:14:00 <mimecar> me to, rc from dec
Jan 19 16:14:14 <dcordes_> mimecar: are you satisfied with it?
Jan 19 16:14:26 <mimecar> with that release yes
Jan 19 16:14:31 <dcordes_> me too.
Jan 19 16:14:32 <mimecar> with the system upgrade no
Jan 19 16:14:40 <dcordes_> went something wrong?
Jan 19 16:15:01 <mimecar> i could not login, not keyboard or screen touch
Jan 19 16:15:09 <dcordes_> oh
Jan 19 16:15:34 <dcordes_> did you flash both zImage and initrd at the same time and also used updater.sh which came with them?
Jan 19 16:15:34 <mimecar> power button worked, but login no
Jan 19 16:16:00 <mimecar> the files you get on install kit
Jan 19 16:16:07 <dcordes_> because it worked just perfectly for me. the login cycle of death from the previous releases is fixed for me
Jan 19 16:16:48 <mimecar> i had some problems with login first time: previous user folder
Jan 19 16:17:10 <mimecar> after install a clean system and upgrade, login wasn't working
Jan 19 16:17:16 <dcordes_> ah ok. that's normal
Jan 19 16:17:37 <dcordes_> just move your old /home/$USER dir elsewhere
Jan 19 16:17:55 <dcordes_> updater.sh removes everything except of /home/
Jan 19 16:18:11 <mimecar> no, they were not erased
Jan 19 16:31:41 <mimecar> dcordes_: solution I use is not upgrade the system
Jan 19 17:00:19 <undertook> hi
Jan 19 17:00:26 <mimecar> hi undertook
Jan 19 17:00:41 <undertook> hi mimecar how r u?
Jan 19 17:01:36 <undertook> i am deep in oe last week...
Jan 19 17:01:41 <undertook> ;-)
Jan 19 17:03:29 <mimeca1> re
Jan 19 17:03:35 <mimeca1> undertook: and you?
Jan 19 17:06:16 <undertook> yeap ;-)
Jan 19 18:02:19 <mimecar> are the feeds unfinished ?
Jan 19 18:02:34 <mimecar> I can't find some programs
Jan 19 18:08:16 <dcordes_> mimecar: maybe due to autobuild failures/unfixed bugs
Jan 19 18:08:33 <mimecar> for example figment
Jan 19 18:08:41 <mimecar> there is not x11 folder
Jan 19 18:11:35 <dcordes_> I also couldn't find some packages
Jan 19 18:11:38 <dcordes_> built them myself
Jan 19 18:11:47 <dcordes_> since they built fine I filed no bugs
Jan 19 19:01:01 <mimecar> dcordes_: have you fbreader ?
Jan 19 19:02:37 <dcordes_> mimecar: non. what's that?
Jan 19 19:02:45 <mimecar> an ebook reader
Jan 19 19:02:51 <mimecar> i've installed it, works ok
Jan 19 19:03:00 <mimecar> but command to launch it doesn't work :P
Jan 19 19:03:43 <mimecar> dcordes_: http://www.fbreader.org/zaurus-qtopia/screenshots/FullScreen.png
Jan 19 19:04:12 <dcordes_> mimecar: url says zaurus-qtopia
Jan 19 19:04:25 <dcordes_> maybe it requires QT libs which you lack?
Jan 19 19:04:40 <mimecar> there're versions for gtk sand qtopia
Jan 19 19:04:49 <mimecar> i had installed before feed change
Jan 19 19:11:17 <mimecar> dcordes_: I could change gtk appereance on matchbox
Jan 19 19:11:24 <mimecar> it looks fine with other themes
Jan 19 19:16:53 <dcordes_> the greatest gpe theme in the world is sato
Jan 19 19:17:04 <mimecar> sato ?
Jan 19 19:17:06 <dcordes_> with matchbox-destktop/panel-2
Jan 19 19:17:07 <dcordes_> yes
Jan 19 19:17:14 <dcordes_> www.pokylinux.org there are screenshots
Jan 19 19:17:30 <mimecar> angstrom use matchbox1 ?
Jan 19 19:18:48 <mimecar> it looks interesting
Jan 19 19:18:55 <dcordes_> yes right. matchbox 1
Jan 19 19:19:06 <dcordes_> you cann install the 2* stuff in angstrom too. but it requires some settings!
Jan 19 19:19:07 <mimecar> then i can't install that them
Jan 19 19:19:19 <mimecar> hard settings?
Jan 19 19:19:22 <dcordes_> ie you have to set parameters to start the panel and desktop
Jan 19 19:19:34 <mimecar> hve you examples or doc ?
Jan 19 19:19:35 <dcordes_> I tried it once. never got it to work as in pokylinux
Jan 19 19:19:39 <dcordes_> no doc
Jan 19 19:19:46 <mimecar> ok, then i'll wait
Jan 19 19:19:51 <dcordes_> example is easy: download a poky image and extract it
Jan 19 19:20:24 <mimecar> but poky will use binnar, i haven't and ipkg to extract
Jan 19 19:21:10 <dcordes_> is there no .tar.gz for spitz?
Jan 19 19:21:30 <mimecar> no idea
Jan 19 19:21:34 <dcordes_> you can also flash the latest installkitz for akita :)
Jan 19 19:21:42 <dcordes_> then you have the UI
Jan 19 19:21:57 <mimecar> i have the rc version
Jan 19 19:21:58 <dcordes_> it's pretty much the same as angström and you can use the angstrom ipkg feeds
Jan 19 19:23:08 <mimecar> what're diff between poky and angstrom?
Jan 19 19:27:20 <dcordes_> poky is more sleekish. the images have less feature then angström
Jan 19 19:27:53 <dcordes_> they don't build it with OE but with a different set of metadate (derived from OE) in order to make it more stable and less a moving target
Jan 19 19:28:00 <mimecar> on matchbox it has more features
Jan 19 19:28:56 <dcordes_> not more features but a different surface
Jan 19 19:29:09 <dcordes_> I like matchbox2 much more though
Jan 19 19:29:39 <dcordes_> it's not that hard installing it. It's in the feeds
Jan 19 19:30:12 <mimecar> i have an unstable system
Jan 19 19:30:22 <Chriva> im sorry for my stupid questions. but is it possible to crosscompile matchbox2 and replace the one included in ångström?
Jan 19 19:30:22 <mimecar> if i change more things, my handhelds won't boot up
Jan 19 19:30:38 <mimecar> Chriva: if you regenerate the image, it shouild
Jan 19 19:31:34 <Chriva> ill try it out right away. thank you =)
Jan 19 19:31:53 <mimecar> first you'll need a .bb file and change some things
Jan 19 19:34:00 <Chriva> hehe im beginning to understand how they work now. i had to edit quite a few bb files to disable eabi for my device and remove a failing patch for bluez-utils
Jan 19 19:36:26 <mimecar> dcordes_: ahd you akita?
Jan 19 19:49:22 <schme> Heya.
Jan 19 19:49:29 <mimecar> hi schme
Jan 19 19:49:39 <schme> So I'm running angstrom here on my C3200 and I'm wondering how I get it to produce core files?
Jan 19 19:49:49 <schme> It doesn't when stuff dies.
Jan 19 19:49:55 <schme> Hey mimecar!
Jan 19 19:51:25 <mimecar> no idea schme
Jan 19 19:52:39 <schme> Hmmm.
Jan 19 19:52:46 <schme> It's odd. ulimit is unlimited too.
Jan 19 20:01:51 <mimecar> dcordes_: i've installed poky 
Jan 19 20:02:01 <mimecar> sadly it didn't started x11
Jan 19 20:08:52 <schme> Hum dee doo.
Jan 19 20:46:58 <Stilgar> Hi. I'm running into a bizzare problem: Once in a while, something in my /home/root gets corrupted and X constantly crashes when I try to login.
Jan 19 20:47:08 <Stilgar> Logging in from my normal user works just fine.
Jan 19 20:48:49 <CoreDump> well, you could try starting the matchbox-session manually into a running Xfbdev to see what goes wrong exactly
Jan 19 20:49:28 <Stilgar> Ok. Thanks.
Jan 19 20:50:04 <DaedalusX> hi all
Jan 19 21:09:50 <Stilgar> CoreDump: funny, but matchbox-sessions start fine when I do that.
Jan 19 21:10:00 <Stilgar> Except the screen is rotated and with a wrong background.
Jan 19 21:10:20 <CoreDump> ok, kill Xfdev, and start /etc/X11/Xserver
Jan 19 21:10:25 <CoreDump> that should fix rotation
Jan 19 21:12:34 <Stilgar> It does
Jan 19 21:13:04 <Stilgar> for some reason when I try to log-out on this session I see (on the remote console I started matchbox-session from) "killall: metacity: no process killed"
Jan 19 21:18:56 <DaedalusX> well I found a pretty good benchmark for the Zaurus vs. my desktop :P
Jan 19 21:19:02 <DaedalusX> run the FreeSteam tests
Jan 19 21:19:06 <DaedalusX> :P
Jan 19 21:19:15 <DaedalusX> on my desktop, "Ran 33 tests in 0.008s"
Jan 19 21:19:23 <DaedalusX> on my zaurus, "Ran 33 tests in 4.213s"
Jan 19 21:20:47 <pixelized> what's ur desktop?
Jan 19 21:20:52 <pixelized> proc/ram etc
Jan 19 21:22:08 <DaedalusX> core 2 duo at 3.2 GHz, and 2 GB of something rediculous... I can't remember what RAM I put in this thing
Jan 19 21:22:19 <DaedalusX> but it's... well... a lot faster than the RAM in the zaurus :P
Jan 19 21:34:11 <TC-Rucho> :O
Jan 19 22:02:11 <Stilgar> CoreDump: FYI, the problem was that I had ls aliased to ls --color.
Jan 19 22:02:18 <pixelized> is e17 still borked?
Jan 19 22:02:46 <pixelized> Stilgar: u can leave it aliased
Jan 19 22:02:49 <pixelized> and just do \ls
Jan 19 22:03:31 <Stilgar> pixelized: The problem is that somewhere during gpe-login, something wants to find out which files are under /etc/X11/Xsession.d
Jan 19 22:03:40 <Stilgar> And it does so by running ls on this directory.
Jan 19 22:03:56 <Stilgar> Since for my root user I've had ls aliased to ls --color, gpe-login
Jan 19 22:04:19 <Stilgar> found the files with colors, adding escape codes to the file names.
Jan 19 22:04:23 <Stilgar> Making gpe-login crash.
Jan 19 22:04:30 <pixelized> lol
Jan 19 22:04:54 <Stilgar> I wouldn't put it like that.
Jan 19 22:21:37 <DaedalusX> Stilgar, I ran into that the first day I tried Angstrom out
Jan 19 22:21:41 <DaedalusX> that pissed me offfffff
Jan 19 22:21:47 <DaedalusX> it took me a while to figure out too.
Jan 19 22:22:14 <Stilgar> The code that uses ls to do it should be fixed.
Jan 19 22:22:21 <Stilgar> And will be, once I figure out where it is.
Jan 19 22:24:06 <pixelized> just add \ls instead of just ls
Jan 19 22:24:15 <pixelized> or call the bin directly from it's location
Jan 19 22:30:15 <TC-Rucho> pH5: are you there? If you don't mind, I would like to talk to you a bit
Jan 19 22:32:18 <TC-Rucho> pH5: I've just downloaded the angstrom liveramdisk .exe, booted it and everything works fine, there is still something that's bothering me, idle cpu usage. When doing _nothing_ there's a process called Xw100 that's eating 54% of the cpu power. What's going on?
Jan 19 22:34:26 <TC-Rucho> I would like to know if this is normal or a common issue or if it's just my friggin iPAQ
Jan 19 22:34:49 <TC-Rucho> not even that windows crap uses so much cpu when idle
Jan 19 22:35:04 <pH5> TC-Rucho: that doesn't sound quite right. Xw100 is the X server (kdrive compiled with some acceleration for the ati w3220). is this maybe caused by top repeatedly redrawing terminal contents?
Jan 19 22:35:38 <TC-Rucho> yes, I'm using top, how can I get the cpu usage without touching top?
Jan 19 22:36:30 <pH5> TC-Rucho: estimate from the cpu applet, or run top in a console while logged in via ssh.
Jan 19 22:38:08 <TC-Rucho> hmm, applet says 98%cpu =/
Jan 19 22:38:13 <TC-Rucho> will try ssh
Jan 19 22:38:40 <TC-Rucho> (first need to see what do I need to ssh to it, I already have the usb cable and all)
Jan 19 22:42:17 <TC-Rucho> I will try intsalling it to the CF card, will disregard what I've seen in the liveramdisk, but if installed beheaves the same way, I think I will go full blown with Gentoo and will rip stuff from angstrom
Jan 19 22:42:51 <TC-Rucho> also, I'll use some tiling winmanager like wmii, which is pretty light
Jan 20 01:15:48 <Stilgar> Hi
Jan 20 01:16:03 <Stilgar> I'm trying to build angstrom, and I get the following error on all of the packages treated:
Jan 20 01:16:16 <Stilgar> ERROR: Could not include required file ${PN}.inc while parsing /mnt/linuxstore/eran/zaurus/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable/packages/opie-sh-snes/opie-sh-snes_cvs.bb
Jan 20 01:17:08 <Stilgar> what's wrong with my build environment?
Jan 20 02:18:39 <schme> Right.
Jan 20 02:19:15 <schme> I'll pop by here and ask my q. again. I'm running angstrom on a c3200 and it seems that it refuses to produce core files when I sigsegv stuff. Is this normal, and how do I fix it so I dump cores?
Jan 20 02:36:24 <pixelized> wow
Jan 20 02:36:29 <pixelized> amsn on the Z lol
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