**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 20 02:59:57 2008
Jan 20 03:24:41 <tobb> schme: try setting ulimit, ulimit -c controls the size of the core files
Jan 20 03:50:55 <schme> tobb: It is unlimited.
Jan 20 13:34:05 <stain> Hi, I just installed Ångström 2007.12 on my Zaurus SL-5600 (the x11-image), and everything seems very slow.. is there a reason why..?  What can I tune?
Jan 20 13:53:34 <amaldo> Hi. Why is the updater.sh.spitz unreadable on the webpage? Somewhere else I can get the last version from?
Jan 20 13:56:31 <andieh> whats the name of the package manager executable? i want to start it via ssh -Y
Jan 20 13:56:37 <andieh> not ipkg, the GUI
Jan 20 14:02:05 <andieh> ah okee, gpe-package
Jan 20 14:02:37 <Chriva> as far as i know the name of it should be ipkg =)
Jan 20 14:03:45 <andieh> joah, but this isnt the gui :D
Jan 20 14:03:56 <Chriva> sorry. forget what i just said. i missunderstood what you wrote first
Jan 20 14:10:15 <andieh> hehe
Jan 20 14:10:45 <andieh> hmm i just want to install e17
Jan 20 14:11:15 <andieh> wiki says, it is obsolete to install e-wm, but i dont have enlightenment executable on my system.
Jan 20 14:11:29 <andieh> (latestest liveramdisk with x11
Jan 20 14:20:43 <Chriva> So if i get this right. you want Enlightenment DR17 installed into the ramdisk or onto your device? =)
Jan 20 14:21:15 <andieh> joah only for testing...
Jan 20 14:21:25 <andieh> or is this impossible?
Jan 20 14:24:06 <Chriva> nah. i dont think ist impossible. but you will have to crosscompile it for your device =)
Jan 20 14:24:37 <andieh> hmm but is it not possible to install it on the ramdisk?
Jan 20 14:25:38 <andieh> hmm hmm waaah
Jan 20 14:25:44 <andieh> i dont know whicht wm to use
Jan 20 14:26:01 <andieh> opie is really messed up with vga grafic
Jan 20 14:26:37 <andieh> and gpe still looks awful
Jan 20 14:31:03 <Chriva> it should be possible to "inject" it into the ramdisk. ive never done that before so i really dont know how to do it. i could give it try anyway =)
Jan 20 14:32:40 <Chriva> on what device are you planning to use it? =)
Jan 20 14:33:07 <[liw]> sound does  not work on poodle, correct?
Jan 20 14:36:27 <andieh> Chriva, its an ipaq hx4700
Jan 20 14:38:14 <_paranoia> is there a way to get opera on my zaurus ?
Jan 20 14:38:21 <_paranoia> or a better browser than minimo
Jan 20 14:38:48 <_paranoia> better in the sense that minimo crashes on webpages with self-signed certificates :S
Jan 20 14:40:08 <Chriva> andieh: good =) i dont have to reset my build tools ^^ stay here ill see what i can do at once. Keep in mind that this could take a while...
Jan 20 14:40:41 <andieh> thank you very much, i have time now :D
Jan 20 14:41:16 <andieh> do you have an ipaq too?
Jan 20 14:44:01 <Chriva> no. but a do have similar device =)
Jan 20 14:44:10 <andieh> nice
Jan 20 14:48:02 <andieh> is it hard to install those buildtools?
Jan 20 14:48:15 <[liw]> mmmmhhh i can install packages on different targets (sd card) but i can't run programs from there. is it possible at all?
Jan 20 14:48:43 <CoreDump> no and you can thank koen for that
Jan 20 15:35:31 <_paranoia> guys, my zaurus always hangs when disconnecting the wifi card
Jan 20 15:35:39 <_paranoia> it hangs on wpa_supplicant
Jan 20 15:36:07 <johnx> what happens when it hangs? Is it completely locked up?
Jan 20 15:36:10 <_paranoia> any tips on where I might go look in order to fix it
Jan 20 15:36:26 <johnx> also, what wireless card? and do you use pccardctl eject or just pull the card?
Jan 20 15:36:58 <_paranoia> what happens is, that the keyboard does not react anymore
Jan 20 15:37:07 <johnx> mine too
Jan 20 15:37:12 <_paranoia> the power button becomes the lock button
Jan 20 15:37:25 <johnx> is it an ambicom wireless card?
Jan 20 15:37:29 <_paranoia> I can type using the soft keyboard
Jan 20 15:37:35 <_paranoia> d-link air
Jan 20 15:37:39 <_paranoia> dcf550w
Jan 20 15:37:42 <johnx> hmm
Jan 20 15:37:44 <johnx> hostap drivers?
Jan 20 15:37:53 <_paranoia> 660w even
Jan 20 15:38:01 <_paranoia> well, I think I removed the hostap things
Jan 20 15:38:23 <johnx> so you're using orinoco drivers?
Jan 20 15:38:53 <johnx> really. I'm getting the same problems with mine on an ambicom card so hopefully we can share info. :)
Jan 20 15:40:20 <_paranoia> it seems hostap is running atm
Jan 20 15:40:28 <_paranoia> hmm, thought I got rid of those
Jan 20 15:40:42 <johnx> I use hostap on mine
Jan 20 15:41:05 <johnx> does it show up as eth0 or wlan0+wifi0?
Jan 20 15:41:12 <_paranoia> wlan0
Jan 20 15:41:30 <johnx> I think that means hostap is handing it then
Jan 20 15:41:34 <_paranoia> an ifdown wlan0 gives me a few warnings though
Jan 20 15:41:55 <_paranoia> ca /var/run/udhcpc.wlan0.pid no sucvh file or directory
Jan 20 15:42:04 <_paranoia> cat /var/run/udhcpc.wlan0.pid: no such file or directory
Jan 20 15:42:12 <johnx> hmm
Jan 20 15:42:12 <_paranoia> and a sed error
Jan 20 15:42:58 <johnx> how recent is your kernel version
Jan 20 15:43:00 <johnx> ?
Jan 20 15:43:14 <_paranoia> and an ifup after that makes connection to a wpa protected wifi, so thats ok
Jan 20 15:43:25 <johnx> could you run uname -a on it?
Jan 20 15:43:32 <_paranoia> well, its the akita build from jan 2, and just now I did an update
Jan 20 15:43:39 <johnx> ah
Jan 20 15:43:53 <johnx> did it used to work at some point in angstrom?
Jan 20 15:43:57 <_paranoia> 2.6.23 from friday 28th december
Jan 20 15:44:05 <_paranoia> well, it works right now
Jan 20 15:44:07 <_paranoia> but
Jan 20 15:44:18 <_paranoia> I cannot do an ifdown after this point
Jan 20 15:44:24 <johnx> hmm
Jan 20 15:44:28 <_paranoia> because then the machine wont accept key input anymore
Jan 20 15:44:56 <johnx> let me see if I can crash my akita then :)
Jan 20 15:45:45 <johnx> also, when you run pccardctl info, is the MANFID of your card d601,0002 ?
Jan 20 15:46:14 <_paranoia> d691,9995
Jan 20 15:46:16 <_paranoia> 0005
Jan 20 15:46:19 <johnx> hmm
Jan 20 15:46:24 <johnx> woo! locked my zaurus! no problem at all
Jan 20 15:47:19 <_paranoia> I read somewhere that udhcpc might have something to do with it
Jan 20 15:47:48 <johnx> I've been managing to avoid it recently
Jan 20 15:48:36 <_paranoia> how, if I may ask
Jan 20 15:49:00 <johnx> I'm not entirely sure
Jan 20 15:49:10 <johnx> but let me try and work through this logically :)
Jan 20 15:50:08 <johnx> I use a custom script to manage my wireless, and what I just ran that locked it was " killall wpa_supplicant ; killall wpa_cli ; killall udhcpc "
Jan 20 15:50:27 <_paranoia> it hangs on the first one
Jan 20 15:50:33 <_paranoia> the killall supplicant one
Jan 20 15:50:48 <johnx> okI do wonder why though
Jan 20 15:52:21 <johnx> it's very strange that I've been having no problems for a couple weeks and managed to lock it up on the first try here
Jan 20 15:52:35 <_paranoia> :S
Jan 20 15:52:37 <_paranoia> sorry
Jan 20 15:52:39 <_paranoia> :)
Jan 20 15:52:41 <johnx> no problem
Jan 20 15:52:48 <johnx> I want this figured out as much as you
Jan 20 15:52:58 <johnx> I'm just glad someone is having the same problem :)
Jan 20 15:56:22 <_paranoia> can't kill the wpa_supplicant now :S
Jan 20 15:56:47 <_paranoia> just did an ifdown wlan0 again, and found the process ID of wpa_supplicant
Jan 20 15:57:08 <_paranoia> but I cannot kill it, kill -9 does not work :S
Jan 20 15:58:10 <johnx> yup. killing wpa_supplicant will do it every time for me
Jan 20 15:58:25 <johnx> at least it's reproducible
Jan 20 15:58:59 <johnx> I figured that the years of beating on zaurus and wireless card had just finally caught up with me
Jan 20 15:59:39 <johnx> btw, you know the keys to do an emergency sync,umount,reboot, right?
Jan 20 16:00:27 <_paranoia> no ?
Jan 20 16:01:14 <johnx> the key to the right of control is mapped to Alt
Jan 20 16:01:24 <johnx> so hold alt+home+s for sync
Jan 20 16:01:35 <johnx> alt+home+u for "remount readonly"
Jan 20 16:01:45 <johnx> alt+home+b for a reboot
Jan 20 16:02:08 <johnx> hopefully that will save your filesystems a little while testing this
Jan 20 16:03:04 <_paranoia> I'll try it next time, thanks
Jan 20 16:03:35 <johnx> trying something different
Jan 20 16:04:39 <johnx> started wpa_supplicant, suspended zaurus, resumed, killed wpa_supplicant with no lock up
Jan 20 16:06:59 <johnx> that must be how I've been avoiding the problem
Jan 20 16:07:55 <johnx> a note on that, though: when I suspend my zaurus with the card in, the card is powered but won't respond upon resume
Jan 20 16:08:16 <_paranoia> well, the key combo works
Jan 20 16:08:29 <_paranoia> saves me the trouble of opening up the battery compartment every time
Jan 20 16:08:29 <johnx> is this in a bug tracker anywhere?
Jan 20 16:08:49 <_paranoia> not that I know of
Jan 20 16:08:58 <_paranoia> several other distributions have similar problems
Jan 20 16:09:08 <johnx> ah, really?
Jan 20 16:09:11 <johnx> interesting
Jan 20 16:09:26 <johnx> I wasn't having this problem until somewhere around the 2.6.23 kernel I think
Jan 20 16:09:36 <johnx> 2.6.22 and below seemed to behave better
Jan 20 16:10:11 <johnx> I really had figured my card was just broken
Jan 20 16:10:23 <johnx> I've gone through so many CF wifi cards it's not even funny :(
Jan 20 16:10:39 <_paranoia> :(
Jan 20 16:11:09 <[liw]> I could mount the SD card on /usr for extra space... but it would be even better to mount the card OVER the root via UNIONFS or something like that... has anybody tried something like that?
Jan 20 16:12:11 <johnx> [liw], I thought I remembered someone trying that at some point as an alternative to ipkg-link, but I don't think it got anywhere
Jan 20 16:12:15 <johnx> it's worth a shot though
Jan 20 16:12:19 <schme> Hey angstrom. I have an issue with my angstrom install. I sigsegv software yet no core dump is produced. ulimit is unlimited. Is it just me?
Jan 20 16:12:28 <johnx> [liw], I just use altboot to run root on sd
Jan 20 16:14:36 <[liw]> well if i can compile a kernel module with unionfs (if it is possible), it should be straightforfard
Jan 20 16:16:26 <[liw]> straightforward
Jan 20 16:17:21 <schme> Of cooourse it is possible.
Jan 20 16:18:31 <[liw]> in this way the system could boot with or without the SD card
Jan 20 16:18:43 <CoreDump> unionfs never worked. Usage of it resulted in hangs, freezes and all kinds of breakage when I last tried it. 
Jan 20 16:19:30 <schme> That's odd. I have been using it for quite some time.
Jan 20 16:20:02 <CoreDump> YMMV I guess
Jan 20 16:21:17 <schme> Mmm.
Jan 20 16:21:19 <schme> Oddities.
Jan 20 16:21:40 <schme> Now how the heck do I get stuff to leave core dumps behind on my angtrom install? (:
Jan 20 16:22:17 * CoreDump dunnos
Jan 20 16:22:51 <johnx> _paranoia, temporary workaround to try: do pccardctl eject *before* killing off wpa_supplicant
Jan 20 16:23:17 <johnx> I must have been doing this for a while without really thinking about it...
Jan 20 16:23:40 <schme> I can't for my life understand why they are not produced. ulimit is unlimited and all. Thinking it's maybe a weird ass compiled kernel.  So I'm wondering if it's just me and my c3200 or if this is normal?
Jan 20 16:24:01 <johnx> schme, want me to test anything?
Jan 20 16:24:43 <schme> johnx: That would be great! Just fire up a program and send it a sigsegv and see if it core dumps or not (:
Jan 20 16:25:04 <CoreDump> coredumps need to be enabled somehow
Jan 20 16:25:05 <_paranoia> johnx .. something like that was mentioned in one of the pages I visited
Jan 20 16:25:15 <CoreDump> they surely don't work OOTB
Jan 20 16:25:25 <_paranoia> that the order of the shutdown commands was important, due to a race condition
Jan 20 16:25:31 <schme> CoreDump: Normally one enables 'em by setting a high ulimit.
Jan 20 16:25:41 <johnx> _paranoia, do you have a link?
Jan 20 16:26:05 <CoreDump> maybe the busybox ulimit is b0rked?
Jan 20 16:26:09 <schme> And the kernel.core stuff is just right.
Jan 20 16:26:16 <schme> Crofton: That could be it I guess.
Jan 20 16:26:18 <schme> ack
Jan 20 16:26:21 <schme> misstab :D
Jan 20 16:26:25 <schme> CoreDump: That could be it I guess.
Jan 20 16:26:38 <CoreDump> wouldn't be the first time ;)
Jan 20 16:26:53 <_paranoia> .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/137666
Jan 20 16:27:28 <schme> Yeah.
Jan 20 16:27:42 <schme> I think I'll replace all that busybox garbage with decent software ><
Jan 20 16:28:00 <schme> Very good idea. Ty CoreDump 
Jan 20 16:28:15 <CoreDump> np & gl
Jan 20 16:32:10 <johnx> _paranoia, definitely doesn't matter which order I kill off wpa_supplicant, wpa_cli and udhcpc
Jan 20 16:33:27 <_paranoia> well, pccardctl eject before the killall functions works
Jan 20 16:34:02 <johnx> ifconfig wlan0 down before killall wpa_supplicant works as well
Jan 20 16:34:17 <_paranoia> just works once
Jan 20 16:34:23 <johnx> really?
Jan 20 16:34:26 * johnx tries again
Jan 20 16:35:04 <johnx> seems to work fine here
Jan 20 16:37:06 <johnx> yeah, I just did that about 5 times in a row
Jan 20 16:37:09 <_paranoia> well, the trick of the pccardctl eject works fine here .. now to find out where it should go in a script
Jan 20 16:38:17 <johnx> I'm still going to submit a bug. I think killing wpa_supplicant shouldn't lock up the keyboard :)
Jan 20 16:38:51 <_paranoia> :)
Jan 20 16:41:07 <andieh> hmm im starting angstrom-x11-image-liveramdisk from wm, but i cant install additional software, because of no space left on device
Jan 20 16:41:20 <andieh> how can i install software for testing? is there a chance to do so?
Jan 20 16:42:29 <Chriva> andieh: im building an image for you right now. i wrote to you earlier about that =)
Jan 20 16:43:02 <andieh> yeah for sure, thank you for that, but im trying a little around with this ramdisk
Jan 20 16:46:57 <andieh> im not very familiar with angstrom, im just at the beginning
Jan 20 16:47:33 <andieh> but i know now, that liveramdisk are equal to live cds, so there is no chance to install additional software...
Jan 20 16:47:49 <andieh> im waiting for your image, Chriva. thank you
Jan 20 16:48:38 <andieh> but something else: is there a liveramdisk with pimlico for the ipaq hx4700?
Jan 20 16:50:26 <andieh> it looks very nice
Jan 20 16:54:18 <andieh> or is this just a collection of pim software? openmoko-dates for example? those names are very confusing for me
Jan 20 16:54:57 <johnx> 'night all
Jan 20 16:57:49 <Chriva> i think your device will run out of mem if the image is too big so it is probably not possible to maka a ramdisk with pim-software included.
Jan 20 16:59:36 <andieh> ok, but am i right, that pimlico is just a collection of pimsoftware and not a whole destopenviroment like opie / gpe?
Jan 20 17:03:22 <Chriva> hm.. i really dont know. could investigate while i wait for ängström to build the image
Jan 20 17:03:56 <andieh> your very helpful, thank you
Jan 20 17:04:26 <andieh> maybe there is a good howto / docu about all those terms and definitions
Jan 20 17:04:50 <andieh> qtopia, opie, gpe, pimlico, angstrom, familiar, and oll of that!
Jan 20 17:05:00 <andieh> very very confusing for a noob like me :D
Jan 20 17:07:32 <Chriva> im also a noob. i havent used ångström for more than a couple of weeks. im just stupid enough to never give up so i usually manage to acomplish what i want to do =D
Jan 20 17:09:17 <andieh> hehe
Jan 20 17:10:12 <andieh> i installed familiar linux on my old ipaq years ago. but then the device was broken and i just bought me an hx4700 and use it with windows
Jan 20 17:10:20 <andieh> but from time to time, windows sucks!
Jan 20 17:10:20 <andieh> :D
Jan 20 17:10:48 <andieh> but first i want to test a little bit with it
Jan 20 17:13:51 <Chriva> wor example first time i used it to compile gpe for my handheld nothing worked the way it should but after a few hours of headscratching, google and a couple of  stupid questions in here  i managed to get it working =D You do know that you can install linux onto a memorycard instead of flashing the device? =) thats the way i do it since i may find windows usefull one day
Jan 20 17:14:54 <andieh> hmm this is also a great idea
Jan 20 17:16:53 <andieh> but then i need another bootloader?
Jan 20 17:18:43 <DaedalusX> hi
Jan 20 17:20:42 <andieh> ai
Jan 20 17:21:37 <Chriva> andieh: you just need a simple program to load linux =) ill se if i can find a good page that explains how to do it
Jan 20 17:21:45 <andieh> i found it
Jan 20 17:21:51 <andieh> http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/WinCeQuickInstall
Jan 20 17:22:02 <andieh> angstrom-boot
Jan 20 17:38:28 <andieh> arg, i hate that touchpad on my hx4700
Jan 20 17:38:38 <andieh> i cant select the right partition :D
Jan 20 17:47:52 <andieh> hmm just download /Angstrom-boot-2.6.21-hh20-r0-hx4700.exe and copy it to my vfat cf card
Jan 20 17:48:04 <andieh> and format my sd-card with ext2
Jan 20 17:48:28 <andieh> copy Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.11RC2-hx4700.rootfs.img.bz2 on it, uncompress it with bunzip2 and start the .exe in wm6
Jan 20 17:48:35 <andieh> reboot and then select the sd card
Jan 20 17:48:43 <andieh> but always get a kernel panic.
Jan 20 17:48:44 <andieh> damn!
Jan 20 17:50:42 <Chriva> what does it say before it panics?
Jan 20 17:51:06 <andieh> booting from /dev/mmcblk0p1
Jan 20 17:51:16 <andieh> switch_root: bad console "dev/console"
Jan 20 17:51:27 <andieh> kernel panic - not sncing: attempted tokill init
Jan 20 17:54:10 <Chriva> partition one? it should usually be 0p2 or 0p3.. are you using two mem cards or did you slit it into two partitions? de best would probably be if you split the card into two partitions instead of using two cards
Jan 20 17:54:48 <andieh> try it with two partitions (one vfat and one ext2) partition before
Jan 20 17:54:53 <andieh> but same problem
Jan 20 17:55:46 <andieh> or do i need a logical partition?
Jan 20 17:56:02 <andieh> just create a whole partition with ext2...
Jan 20 17:58:40 <andieh> very strange
Jan 20 18:01:48 <Chriva> im using two primary partitions (fat and ext3) and one swap wich of i dont know if its primary or logical
Jan 20 18:03:00 <andieh> i hate this touchpad!
Jan 20 18:03:21 <Chriva> you are using HaRET, right? =) do you have a file called default.txt in the same directory?
Jan 20 18:03:41 <andieh> hmm ok, i just copy the image file to the vfat partition an now it boots...
Jan 20 18:04:23 <andieh> but a loopback image on a vfat partition? hmm i dont know...
Jan 20 18:04:31 <andieh> that cant be right :D
Jan 20 18:08:56 <andieh> hmm
Jan 20 18:13:15 <andieh> Chriva, ok, now i boot this image. m i now be able to add software and so on?
Jan 20 18:14:00 <andieh> and the loopback device grows and grows or what :D
Jan 20 18:16:30 <[liw]> grrrr why doesn't altboot menu let me boot from SD?
Jan 20 18:16:47 <[liw]> there is no SD option..
Jan 20 18:17:36 <Chriva> andieh: as far as i know -yes =) this was a new aproach. never heard of it before =D
Jan 20 18:19:32 <CoreDump> [liw]: which device?
Jan 20 18:20:33 <[liw]> CoreDump:  poodle (if it's what you mean)
Jan 20 18:22:13 <CoreDump> [liw]: since when is Poodle booting off its flash again??
Jan 20 18:22:59 <CoreDump> it was using native root-on-sd lat timeI checked grrr
Jan 20 18:23:22 <[liw]> HINT! HINT! newbie here! :)
Jan 20 18:23:55 <CoreDump> please pastebin the output of "mount" for me
Jan 20 18:23:57 <andieh> Chriva, hmm no space left on device.... damn!
Jan 20 18:24:54 <Chriva> andieh: okay. lets do it the other way =) 
Jan 20 18:25:03 <andieh> :(
Jan 20 18:25:31 <[liw]> CoreDump:  i don't understand what you mean. I installed the rootfs.tar.gz on the SD. then i expected to be able to boot with altboot using SD t as  root
Jan 20 18:26:00 <CoreDump> I need the output of "mount" to help you
Jan 20 18:27:37 <[liw]> sent it in private
Jan 20 18:28:20 <CoreDump> What ever you tried, it didn't work ;)
Jan 20 18:28:31 <[liw]> I know :)
Jan 20 18:28:33 <CoreDump> http://rafb.net/paste/
Jan 20 18:28:44 <CoreDump> use the above link to paste
Jan 20 18:28:57 <Chriva> Andieh: split the card into two partions. one fat and one ext. ill explain what to do next =)
Jan 20 18:29:47 <[liw]> http://rafb.net/p/aeYPSx36.html
Jan 20 18:31:02 <CoreDump> [liw]: edit /etc/altboot-2.6.conf and set "DISABLE_SD_BOOT" to no 
Jan 20 18:31:12 <CoreDump> that will do the trick
Jan 20 18:32:44 <andieh> ok, cfdisk 
Jan 20 18:32:58 <andieh> Chriva, part1 vfat, part2 ext2?
Jan 20 18:33:22 <Chriva> andieh: jupp 
Jan 20 18:33:36 <andieh> ok wait
Jan 20 18:34:10 <andieh> both primary?
Jan 20 18:34:21 <andieh> part1 bootable?
Jan 20 18:35:39 <[liw]> CoreDump: cool. it worked. thanks a lot
Jan 20 18:35:43 <[liw]> can you explain me the comment # Poodle already boots off SD natively!
Jan 20 18:35:45 <[liw]> ?
Jan 20 18:35:48 <andieh> Chriva,     sdc1                    Primary   W95 FAT32 (LBA)                    999.17 
Jan 20 18:35:48 <andieh>     sdc2                    Primary   Linux                             1044.58
Jan 20 18:36:25 <CoreDump> [liw]: In the past Poodle shipped with a kernel forcing the device to _always_ boot off SD and never use its flash.
Jan 20 18:36:52 <Chriva> amdieh, thats perfect =)
Jan 20 18:36:53 <CoreDump> obviously that is no longer the case
Jan 20 18:37:11 <[liw]> ah, ok. then maybe I could report this as a bug.
Jan 20 18:37:36 <CoreDump> no need, I just fixed it upstream ;)
Jan 20 18:37:50 <[liw]> :) cool 
Jan 20 18:37:53 <andieh> Chriva, ok, whats next
Jan 20 18:38:45 <Chriva> Andieh: dl http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/releases/2007.12/images/hx4700/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-hx4700.rootfs.tar.gz directly onto de ext2 partition =)
Jan 20 18:39:36 <andieh> jupp, ok
Jan 20 18:39:39 <andieh> uncompress?
Jan 20 18:41:09 <Chriva> jupp =) you should get tons of folders if done correctly 
Jan 20 18:41:37 <andieh> ok, done
Jan 20 18:44:02 <andieh> should i copy the bootloader to the vfat partition?
Jan 20 18:45:31 <Chriva> good. then download HaRET, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/releases/2007.12/images/hx4700/startup.txt and http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/releases/2007.12/images/hx4700/zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-hx4700.bin put everything in the same folder and you should be set =)
Jan 20 18:46:04 <andieh> on the vfat partiton
Jan 20 18:46:12 <Chriva> exactly =)
Jan 20 18:47:36 <andieh> do i have to change something in startup.txt?
Jan 20 18:48:31 <Chriva> i read it and it sems to be set correctly for your configuration
Jan 20 18:48:46 <andieh> okee
Jan 20 18:49:03 <andieh> and now? execute the bootloader in wm?
Jan 20 18:49:51 <Chriva> jupp =)
Jan 20 18:50:43 <andieh> very nice, thank you
Jan 20 18:50:49 <andieh> it seems to work
Jan 20 18:53:56 <andieh> hmm i have many of this lines at boot up:
Jan 20 18:54:08 <andieh> bla bla empty flash at bla bla ends at bla bla
Jan 20 18:54:17 <andieh> many many lines.. 
Jan 20 18:55:28 <Chriva> hm. i really dont know why it does that... but it boots fine other than that?
Jan 20 18:55:40 <andieh> jeah boots fine
Jan 20 19:04:48 <andieh> jiaaah space
Jan 20 19:04:50 <andieh> !
Jan 20 19:30:24 <andieh> hmm video is very slow  although
Jan 20 19:30:45 <andieh> is this because im running linux from sd card?
Jan 20 19:52:57 <Chriva> Andieh. Arm based devices usually are quite slow
Jan 20 19:54:01 <andieh> hmm ok, but 600 mhz ...
Jan 20 19:57:16 <DaedalusX_> andieh, there's no floating point processor on the ARM chips that the zaurii use
Jan 20 19:57:53 <DaedalusX_> so stuff that normally isn't that bad like video decoding is a lot slower
Jan 20 19:58:49 <andieh> :( thats not nice...
Jan 20 19:59:07 <andieh> but video decoding is much more slower than on windows mobile...
Jan 20 20:00:20 <DaedalusX_> the windows mobile codec was probably programmed specifically for handhelds
Jan 20 20:03:12 <andieh> maybe
Jan 20 20:06:21 <andieh> hmm is there an ipk for searching for wlans?
Jan 20 20:07:57 <andieh> was this wellenreiter?
Jan 20 20:15:38 <XorA|gone> andieh: which cpu in your device?
Jan 20 20:16:39 <XorA|gone> ah hx4700, you have to play with the correct -vo options in mplayer, then video playback suddenly improves
Jan 20 20:18:48 <andieh> XorA|gone, yes, i tried a lot :D
Jan 20 20:19:03 <XorA|gone> -vo w100 or -vo imageon I think for that device
Jan 20 20:19:12 <XorA|gone> and you should also have the pxa enhanced mplayer
Jan 20 20:19:16 <andieh> i will try that
Jan 20 20:19:42 <Chriva> does this apply to AcerN35 (Samsung Arm V4t) too?
Jan 20 20:24:14 <Stilgar> !logs
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Jan 20 20:27:51 <Stilgar> I'm trying to buing Angstrom
Jan 20 20:28:31 <Stilgar> I've setup everything according to the instructions, but still bitbake complains it can't find conf/bitbake.conf file
Jan 20 20:29:35 <Chriva> export BBPATH=/stuff/build:/stuff/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable =)
Jan 20 20:30:30 <Chriva> if does not work then try export PATH=/stuff/bitbake/bin:$PATH
Jan 20 20:31:11 <XorA|gone> Chriva: your just bolloxed trying to play video on the samsung
Jan 20 20:31:14 <andieh> Chriva, did you finish the e17 thing?
Jan 20 20:31:18 <XorA|gone> Chriva: its not a very good cpu
Jan 20 20:32:46 <Chriva> Andieh: jupp =) i can send it right away. but i dont se why you want to use an ramimage when you can install it directly to de memory card instead =)
Jan 20 20:33:59 <andieh> oh hmm, thats right :F
Jan 20 20:34:02 <andieh> :D
Jan 20 20:34:14 <andieh> in which feed is e17?
Jan 20 20:34:50 <Stilgar> Chriva: both are set...
Jan 20 20:36:05 <Chriva> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromE17 i think this is how to do it. but i think its a lot easier to just download the ipk file and then transfer it to the memcard instead of setting up internet sharing on the device
Jan 20 20:37:07 <Chriva> Stilgar: are you using other folders than the suggested ones in the guide?
Jan 20 20:37:33 <andieh> Chriva, i tried this, but the e17 package is not found!
Jan 20 20:38:38 <pixelized> wow amsn under the Z is slow to login lol
Jan 20 20:39:18 <Stilgar> Chriva: yes, instead of /OE I've placed it under a specific mount. And the path doesn't contain symlinks...
Jan 20 20:40:02 <Chriva> Andieh: all extra packages resides on a internet server. youll either have to download them manually or set up internet sharing on the pc =)
Jan 20 20:40:44 <pixelized> or use sdcard + card reader or a digital camera or mp3 player to copy file to it from pc then to your handheld =)
Jan 20 20:42:44 <Chriva> Stilgar: have you edited the local.conf file?
Jan 20 20:42:55 <Stilgar> Indeed
Jan 20 20:43:49 <Chriva> ther shoul be a line saying something like BBFILES = "/stuff/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable/packages/*/*.bb" that is where i got stuck first time i tried OE
Jan 20 20:44:31 <Stilgar> That one is completely valid in my local.conf
Jan 20 20:44:39 <Stilgar> And bitbake keeps complaining about bitbake.conf.
Jan 20 20:45:09 <Stilgar> I can copy local.conf to bitbake.conf, but then it will complain about missing variables when parsing all of the packages
Jan 20 20:48:03 <andieh> Chriva, ? hmm can you give me the address?
Jan 20 20:50:23 <pixelized> hum successfully logged in to amsn via the Z
Jan 20 20:50:33 <pixelized> w00t
Jan 20 20:50:54 <andieh> Chriva, i dont know what you mean
Jan 20 20:52:53 <pixelized> ok now i know why no one has put amsn in the packages section
Jan 20 20:54:25 <[liw]> noob question: am I supposed to use http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ or feeds/2007 ?
Jan 20 20:54:46 <pixelized> 2007 if ur running 2007.12
Jan 20 20:55:09 <[liw]> tnx
Jan 20 20:56:51 <Chriva> Stilgar: i need to know where you put "org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable" and where the build directory is
Jan 20 20:57:37 <Stilgar> /mnt/linuxstore/zaurus is the place under which I have:
Jan 20 20:57:48 <andieh> Chriva, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5teb/base/e-wm_0.16.999.038-r7_armv5teb.ipk
Jan 20 20:57:50 <andieh> not found!
Jan 20 20:57:52 <Stilgar> downloads  OE   org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable  zenv
Jan 20 20:58:32 <Chriva> Andieh: yes i think thats the right one =)
Jan 20 20:58:48 <andieh> ok, but "page not found"
Jan 20 20:58:53 <andieh> where did you download it?
Jan 20 20:59:31 <Chriva> i just built it =) i can build one for you too. should not take long
Jan 20 20:59:47 <andieh> thank you!
Jan 20 21:03:50 <Chriva> i dont know if the paths are hardcoded somwhere. but i think you should put a folder named build in the sam folder as org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable
Jan 20 21:13:36 <Stilgar> Chriva: I've progressed a bit. Now bitbake yells:
Jan 20 21:13:42 <Stilgar> ERROR: no files to build.
Jan 20 21:13:48 <Stilgar> where should BBPATH point to?
Jan 20 21:15:46 <Chriva> try "bitbake gpe-image" for example =) and BBPATH should point to where you have the *.bb files. im my case ist "export BBPATH=/stuff/build:/stuff/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable" but since you use i bit different layout you will have to modify it a bit =)
Jan 20 21:18:46 <Stilgar> /mnt/linuxstore/zaurus/OE/:/mnt/linuxstore/zaurus/OE/build/:/mnt/linuxstore/zaurus/OE/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable/
Jan 20 21:19:15 <Stilgar> do you use your distro's bitbake or 1.8.8. you've downloaded?
Jan 20 21:20:31 <Chriva> i downloaded 
Jan 20 21:20:39 <andieh> schub schub schubidu
Jan 20 21:21:11 <Chriva> andieh: its running task 401 of 643. not long now =)
Jan 20 21:21:26 <andieh> hehe
Jan 20 21:22:20 <Stilgar> Argh. Chriva, do you have bitbake.conf somewhere on your build directories?
Jan 20 21:25:09 <Chriva> Stilgar: there is one file called bitbake.conf inside the bitbake folder. but i did not edit that one. do you have a folder named conf inside the build folder?
Jan 20 21:25:37 <Stilgar> yes, with local.conf in it.
Jan 20 21:28:08 <Chriva> Stilgar: try this export BBPATH=/mnt/linuxstore/zaurus/OE/build:/mnt/linuxstore/zaurus/OE/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable
Jan 20 21:28:53 <Stilgar> Check.
Jan 20 21:28:55 <Stilgar> No luck.
Jan 20 21:29:03 <Stilgar> Ok, I'm going to pull everything again to a simpler path.
Jan 20 21:31:03 <Chriva> Andieh: less than 150 tasks left for bitbake to do before e17 is completed =)
Jan 20 21:31:25 <andieh> jihaaa!
Jan 20 21:35:31 <andieh> ooh no, my chair broke... 
Jan 20 21:39:31 <Chriva> Stilgar: if its complaining about bb files. are you sure you set the correct bbpath inside local.conf?
Jan 20 21:43:02 <Chriva> stilgar: i thing bbfiles inside local.conf should look something like this if you still use the same layout BBFILES = "/mnt/linuxstore/zaurus/OE/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable/packages/*/*.bb"
Jan 20 21:54:06 <Stilgar> Chriva: thanks for all the help. Sadly, the BBFILES are set correctly
Jan 20 21:54:18 <Stilgar> may be a bitbake issue - I'll remove debian's bitbake
Jan 20 22:01:10 <Chriva> andieh: check your private tabb i sent you e-wm
Jan 20 22:05:54 <andieh> oi, nothing here!
Jan 20 22:08:43 <Stilgar> Chriva: I've checked out everything again. It seems to be working!
Jan 20 22:12:41 <Chriva> andieh: you have msn? sems to be the only way :S check my information and you find mine
Jan 20 22:13:05 <Chriva> stilgar: good =)
Jan 20 22:13:40 <Stilgar> the main repository is missing some basic packages, like fbreader. Why is that?
Jan 20 22:15:22 <andieh> Chriva, hehe no, i dont have msn installed
Jan 20 22:15:24 <andieh> check this
Jan 20 22:15:44 <andieh> http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~fuertig/upload/index.php
Jan 20 22:15:53 <andieh> select file and press "datei hochladen"
Jan 20 22:17:15 <Chriva> andieh: done
Jan 20 22:17:30 <Chriva> put them in the linux category
Jan 20 22:18:30 <andieh> hehe ok, shit is not the correct folder :D
Jan 20 22:18:57 <andieh> hmm dev or dbg?
Jan 20 22:19:25 <Chriva> im not sure. i think you can skip dev and dbg for now.
Jan 20 22:19:51 <andieh> ok
Jan 20 22:33:35 <andieh> so, lets give it a try
Jan 20 22:37:38 <andieh> Installing e-wm-dbg (0.16.999.041-r0) to root...
Jan 20 22:37:38 <andieh> e-wm-dbg: unsatisfied recommendation for libedje-dbg
Jan 20 22:37:38 <andieh> e-wm-dbg: unsatisfied recommendation for libefreet-dbg
Jan 20 22:37:38 <andieh> e-wm-dbg: unsatisfied recommendation for libecore-dbg
Jan 20 22:37:38 <andieh> Configuring e-wm-dbg
Jan 20 22:37:39 <andieh> Collected errors:
Jan 20 22:37:41 <andieh> Multiple packages (e-wm-dbg and e-wm-dbg) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Jan 20 22:37:43 <andieh> root@hx4700:/var/volatile/tmp$ ipkg files e-wm-dgb  
Jan 20 22:37:45 <andieh> Collected errors:
Jan 20 22:37:47 <andieh> Package e-wm-dgb not installed.
Jan 20 22:37:49 <andieh> hmm
Jan 20 22:39:17 <andieh> and i dont have any enlightenment files!
Jan 20 22:39:27 <Chriva> I upploaded a tar.gz. there are the rest of the packages that bitbake made for e-wm. 
Jan 20 22:40:35 <andieh> hmm there is no tar.gz file...
Jan 20 22:42:39 <Chriva> hm :S its quite big. 36.1 MB is that too big?
Jan 20 22:42:54 <andieh> oh hmm, i think, thats it
Jan 20 22:43:20 <andieh> http://file.dariball.de/arch/
Jan 20 22:43:22 <andieh> try it here
Jan 20 22:44:29 <Chriva> it sems to work
Jan 20 22:44:57 <andieh> wow, you have a good upload :D
Jan 20 22:45:04 <Chriva> 100/10 ;)
Jan 20 22:45:13 <andieh> wow!
Jan 20 22:45:35 <andieh> hmm ok, what to do with the rest?
Jan 20 22:47:17 <Chriva> try putting libedje-dbg, libefreet-dbg and libecore-dbg onto the mem. check what they need (if they need something) and so on. dependecies is a true pain sometimes
Jan 20 22:47:32 <andieh> for sure
Jan 20 22:54:00 <andieh> hmm maybe i just do a ipkg install *
Jan 20 22:55:25 <Chriva> yes. if something is needed ipkg will scream like a baby (as usual) =D
Jan 20 22:59:25 <Chriva> Andieh: i just bought a hx4700. it will be dellivered next week. i kind of began to like it by looking for information about it 
Jan 20 22:59:52 <andieh> i like it very much
Jan 20 23:02:23 <andieh> hmm but hmm there is no libedje, libefreet packages in there ...
Jan 20 23:02:25 <andieh> puh
Jan 20 23:03:49 <Chriva> try to just install e-wm instead of dbg. what does it say if you do so?
Jan 20 23:05:07 <andieh> ipkg "scream like a baby"
Jan 20 23:05:08 <andieh> :)
Jan 20 23:06:12 <andieh> ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for e-wm:
Jan 20 23:06:12 <andieh>          libecore-config (>= 0.9.9.041+cvs20071206) libecore-ipc (>= 0.9.9.041+cvs20071206) libecore-co
Jan 20 23:06:17 <andieh> and so on and so on
Jan 20 23:10:38 <Chriva> gah please dont say i have to build those too :/ oh well. im right on it =)
Jan 20 23:11:16 <andieh> hmm nooo, not yet
Jan 20 23:11:29 <andieh> maybe in the next days, i will be here now for a longer time :D
Jan 20 23:13:00 <andieh> i have to go now, im very tired
Jan 20 23:15:28 <Chriva> ok. it sems this could take a while so it wont be finnished until tommorow anyway =) i just hope i dont wake up by the firealarm going off. 83c cpu temp atm ^^
Jan 20 23:16:09 <andieh> hehehe
Jan 20 23:16:45 <andieh> ok, have fun this night!
Jan 20 23:17:03 <andieh> maybe you can upload it at http://file.dariball.de/arch/
Jan 20 23:17:09 <andieh> but im in here tomorrow
Jan 20 23:17:15 <andieh> see you and thank you for your help
Jan 20 23:17:42 <Chriva> i just type i wew lines ant it will do everything for me. thats the fine thing about ångström =D goodnight then =)
Jan 20 23:18:38 <Chriva> perhaps i should sleep too. im spelling like my grandma
Jan 20 23:19:11 <andieh> hehe sounds good to me, welcome to my world :D
Jan 20 23:19:24 <andieh> maybe you could show me how to bake my own packages tomorrow
Jan 20 23:19:49 <Chriva> sure =)
Jan 20 23:28:08 <andieh> so, good night!
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