**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:57 2008
Jan 27 04:43:29 <jaem> hey all
Jan 27 04:44:16 <jaem> I'm still having an issue with the Angstrom install on my Pentium Pro Desktop...
Jan 27 04:44:58 <jaem> turns out that it's actually a bootloader issue - which I couldn't tell right away, since I have no monitor, keyboard, mouse, or anything else except the couple of case LEDs ;)
Jan 27 04:45:15 <jaem> then I noticed all the drive lights going on in succession, and clued in
Jan 27 04:45:54 <jaem> I've set up GRUB before, but I must be doing something wrong... is there anyone that I could run my settings by?
Jan 27 05:01:50 <johnx> Sometimes installing grub on one machine and using it on another can cuase onforseen problems because of drive geometry issues
Jan 27 05:02:23 <jaem> ah
Jan 27 05:02:32 <jaem> any suggestions then?
Jan 27 05:02:48 <johnx> can you borrow a cd-rom drive?
Jan 27 05:02:58 <jaem> because I'm at a University, everyone has nice new fancy laptops - no Monitors that I can borrow
Jan 27 05:03:02 <jaem> I have one installed
Jan 27 05:03:14 <jaem> I have two more I'm going to install :)
Jan 27 05:03:15 <johnx> ah, and can the machine be made to boot from CD?
Jan 27 05:03:47 <jaem> yes... and I think it may be set to boot from the CD by default, but I'm not entirely sure
Jan 27 05:03:56 <johnx> you should really try that
Jan 27 05:04:01 <jaem> it scans all the drives, by the looks of it...
Jan 27 05:04:12 <johnx> well it will do that in the BIOS POST anyways
Jan 27 05:04:22 <jaem> sounds good, but I don't know if I have a lightweight-enough livecd
Jan 27 05:04:28 <jaem> it has 64MB of RAM, at the most
Jan 27 05:04:46 <johnx> hmm
Jan 27 05:05:01 <johnx> the only real question is finding a "rescue" cd that will automatically run an ssh server
Jan 27 05:05:04 <jaem> I guess if I can boot something that has an SSH daemon running at startup, the rest should be easy
Jan 27 05:05:10 <jaem> yeah - I might have one
Jan 27 05:05:10 <johnx> yeah
Jan 27 05:05:23 <jaem> I downloaded Backtrack a while back - I think that should run on it
Jan 27 05:05:24 <johnx> then you can install grub from the machine itself
Jan 27 05:05:32 <jaem> I'll give that a try...
Jan 27 05:05:45 * jaem greps through CD rack
Jan 27 05:09:29 * jaem sees an ACT light!
Jan 27 05:10:01 <jaem> ...maybe
Jan 27 05:12:49 <jaem> well... I'm getting an ACT light on the NIC and the router for that port, but I don't think it's fully working
Jan 27 05:12:57 <jaem> at any rate, nmap is showing it as down
Jan 27 05:13:20 <johnx> nothing from ping either?
Jan 27 05:13:36 <jaem> just checking... not sure which interface it's connected to
Jan 27 05:13:44 <johnx> also, if you used a live cd it will pickup a dhcp address
Jan 27 05:13:49 <jaem> yes
Jan 27 05:21:01 <jaem> nothing...
Jan 27 05:21:32 <jaem> I'm not even sure if it booted properly
Jan 27 05:21:50 <jaem> it didn't seem to access the CD drive for very long - gah! this is frustrating...
Jan 27 05:29:38 <jaem> not sure what to do... the guy who gave me this didn't even give me the right keyboard for it
Jan 27 05:43:14 <jaem> I tried installing GRUB on my laptop, and booting the laptop from it via USB, and it still didn't work
Jan 27 05:43:32 <jaem> I think it's my settings... can I run them by you, johnx?
Jan 27 05:44:39 <johnx> sure
Jan 27 05:44:44 <johnx> put them up on pastebin
Jan 27 05:45:04 <jaem> what's that?  I've seen it before in passing, but I've never used it
Jan 27 05:45:10 <jaem> and where is it?
Jan 27 05:45:19 <johnx> pastebin.ca
Jan 27 05:45:23 <johnx> or .com
Jan 27 05:45:27 <jaem> ah
Jan 27 05:48:16 <jaem> menu.lst: http://pastebin.ca/874309
Jan 27 05:48:58 <jaem> device.map: http://pastebin.ca/874311
Jan 27 05:49:48 <johnx> (hd0,1) is the second partition, hda2
Jan 27 05:49:52 <jaem> yes
Jan 27 05:49:57 <johnx> ok, just checking
Jan 27 05:50:01 <jaem> I have Swap,EXT2
Jan 27 05:50:50 <johnx> it looks ok to me, but I'm not enough of a grub guru to say there's absolutely nothing wrong
Jan 27 05:51:17 <jaem> not sure if it has any relevance, but when I plug the HDD into my USB adapter, it takes a good ~20s longer to be recognized than any other HDD I've tried
Jan 27 05:51:40 <johnx> probably not relevant 
Jan 27 05:51:42 <jaem> it presumably worked before, but is it possible that it's taking too long to be initialized, and boot misses it?
Jan 27 05:51:43 <jaem> ok
Jan 27 05:51:53 <jaem> probably just the adapter
Jan 27 05:52:00 <johnx> or the drive
Jan 27 05:52:12 <johnx> but boot won't "miss" I think
Jan 27 05:52:28 <johnx> anyways, there are way to many variables to pin this down easily
Jan 27 05:52:36 <jaem> hmmm... yeah
Jan 27 05:53:16 <johnx> you have no way to tell where it's erroring out
Jan 27 05:53:47 <jaem> give me a sec, and I'll go check something - there *might* be a monitor I can borrow, after all
Jan 27 05:55:39 <johnx> yes, really borrow a monitor
Jan 27 05:56:57 <jaem> can't get one tonight... well - thanks for your help anyways...
Jan 27 05:57:10 <johnx> sure
Jan 27 05:57:16 <jaem> bye
Jan 27 12:28:28 <MasterOne> anybody here?
Jan 27 12:29:42 <MasterOne> any info, if the PCMCIA issue concerning the simpad image has already been fixed (I am referring to this problem: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25299)
Jan 27 12:32:32 <humorum> MasterOne: I don't use simpad, but I can give some information.
Jan 27 12:32:54 <MasterOne> any way to fix this?
Jan 27 12:33:09 <MasterOne> I am not a programmer, just a user, I can not roll my own image
Jan 27 12:33:18 <humorum> hmm
Jan 27 12:33:40 <MasterOne> tried two different PRISM1 cards, they don't even get recognized
Jan 27 12:33:41 <humorum> it may be difficult if you cannot build your image.
Jan 27 12:33:59 <MasterOne> I was hoping, someone is already working to fix that matter
Jan 27 12:34:00 <humorum> Angstrom is linux kernel 2.6 and
Jan 27 12:34:42 <humorum> the recognition of pcmcia cards is different from the earier versions.
Jan 27 12:35:14 <MasterOne> there is a 2007.12-r2 image from 11th January in the unstable/autobuild folder
Jan 27 12:35:34 <MasterOne> could it already have been fixed in that image?
Jan 27 12:35:46 <MasterOne> I am about to try this image
Jan 27 12:35:52 <humorum> i don't know,
Jan 27 12:36:00 <MasterOne> but it may be lost time (needs 25 min to upload over serial)
Jan 27 12:38:15 <humorum> Do you have prism_cs and prism modules ?
Jan 27 12:38:28 <humorum> prism_cs.o and prism.o
Jan 27 12:39:15 <humorum> or
Jan 27 12:39:36 <humorum> hostap_cs.o
Jan 27 12:40:07 <MasterOne> I don't think so, but that's not even the issue, because of that PCMCIA init problem (http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25299&view=findpost&p=174025)
Jan 27 12:40:59 <MasterOne> I am already uploading the 2007.12-r2 image, but I do not really have any hope, that it will work with that version
Jan 27 12:42:03 <MasterOne> that will be my last test for now, if it's now working, I have to return to familiar v0.8.4, because I need that simpad for webbrowsing on a daily basis
Jan 27 12:43:03 <humorum> hmm
Jan 27 12:43:04 <MasterOne> s/now/not
Jan 27 12:43:50 <humorum> I think you had better use old version if the problem is not solved.
Jan 27 12:50:01 <humorum> i read the articles on the url above, and
Jan 27 12:50:59 <humorum> the problem of new kernel image is it does not include the pcmcia modules.
Jan 27 12:58:13 <humorum> after installing kernel, just copy the kernel modules from the old version, and it may work.
Jan 27 12:59:31 <humorum> as you say, it is smart that new kernel image is fixed to include those modules.
Jan 27 13:20:32 <MasterOne> 2007.12-r2 is also not working :(
Jan 27 13:21:01 <MasterOne> humorum: I can't copy any modules, because of no networking without wlan support
Jan 27 13:21:16 <MasterOne> that's it, I have to return to familiar for now
Jan 27 13:23:29 <MasterOne> humorum: do you think, it is possible, to use a package (in particular minimo) from an angstrom feed on familiar?
Jan 27 13:41:40 <humorum> MasterOne: I can't understand what you mean.
Jan 27 13:42:27 <humorum> My old angstrom image (x11-image) can run minimo and other packages.
Jan 27 13:43:25 <humorum> I install them with ipkg command.
Jan 27 18:44:30 <summtusmentis> http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_24 <- there's a new driver for 802.11g cf cards
Jan 27 18:53:18 <Sketch> that's not all that might be interesting
Jan 27 18:53:25 <Sketch> 2.5. SPI/SDIO support in the MMC layer
Jan 27 18:53:40 <Sketch>   ...and hci_sdio, a driver for the standardised bluetooth interface.
Jan 27 19:00:00 <noha> Hi
Jan 27 19:09:50 <summtusmentis> Sketch: none of the Z's have SDIO though...
Jan 27 19:10:52 <Sketch> because there's no driver
Jan 27 19:11:16 <Sketch> except for that one binary driver some company released for a specific model...
Jan 27 19:11:31 <wvdschel> does angstrom support the ipaq h39xx?
Jan 27 19:12:29 <Sketch> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9692674403.html
Jan 27 19:14:03 <noha> I have a simpad and installed the angstrom dist. But the distribution lacks an orinoco driver which I need to have wifi operational. I tried to build the module myself but this doesn't work (I think it is a kernel mismatch). Ist the orinoco module still supported or Is there another driver which supports orinoco cards
Jan 27 20:33:32 <wvdschel> does suspend work on collie atm
Jan 27 20:33:34 <wvdschel> ?
Jan 27 20:34:03 <summtusmentis> not that I know of
Jan 27 20:34:29 <wvdschel> :(
Jan 27 20:37:59 <dcordes> are there i686 generic builds somewhere?
Jan 27 22:07:07 <Guyou> hi
Jan 27 22:10:11 <Guyou> is there any "qemu" based binaries?
Jan 27 22:10:21 <Guyou> I wish to test Angstrom before flashing it
Jan 28 00:11:48 <tripolo> hi
Jan 28 00:12:02 <tripolo> dcordes hi
Jan 28 00:14:29 <tripolo> exist tarball of angstrom for akita?
Jan 28 00:15:27 <johnx> yes
Jan 28 00:16:09 <johnx> ah, you mean a rootfs.tar.gz ?
Jan 28 00:16:17 <tripolo> where is it?
Jan 28 00:16:22 <tripolo> yes
Jan 28 00:16:30 <johnx> ah
Jan 28 00:16:58 <johnx> at first I thought you meant a tar.gz that contained initrd.bin, zImage and updater.sh
Jan 28 00:17:05 <johnx> let me see if I can find a rootfs.tar.gz
Jan 28 00:18:38 <johnx> I guess there isn't a rootfs.tar.gz for the release
Jan 28 00:18:46 <johnx> there is one for the unstable build here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/akita/
Jan 28 00:19:46 <tripolo> in download not is it
Jan 28 00:23:43 <tripolo> the mirror ewi go to work any day?
Jan 28 00:23:57 <tripolo> of openzaurus
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