**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 01 02:59:57 2008 Feb 01 07:32:53 So is there an Agstrom image for the SL-5500? If I'm saying that correctly Feb 01 07:46:05 Masterk: well, there are some images in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/collie/ Feb 01 07:46:26 Masterk: but those are really bleading edge, might brick your device or eat your dog. Feb 01 07:46:53 Masterk: you might want to check with thessing if he's around Feb 01 07:58:01 hi there Feb 01 08:09:15 hey guys, someone knows how to read RTSP stream from spitz ? mplayer (iwmmxt version) seems to not like rtsp Feb 01 08:27:03 Thanks hvontres Feb 01 08:27:07 I was looking around Feb 01 08:27:35 Looks like there's poor support for things like LCD and they don't even know of most everythign else even works. Feb 01 08:28:19 I've had this thing for over a year now and I have still yet to do a lot with it due to me inserting the battery backwards and messing it up. I have to use an external charger now and had to get a new battery. Feb 01 08:28:35 Can anyone recomment a cheap CF card? If I could just get one of those thigns could take off for me Feb 01 09:15:07 Masterk: new battery is 14-16usd on US amazon Feb 01 09:15:23 what kind of cf card? Feb 01 09:15:34 storage? wifi? bt? gps? ethernet? serial? Feb 01 10:36:02 it looks like there's a new image for collie in the autobuild directory Feb 01 10:36:40 I tried it but it fails shortly after init gets called Feb 01 10:36:46 does it work for anyone else? Feb 01 10:47:22 I finally do not have collie Feb 01 10:47:47 yeah...it's positively ancient now, but I really miss the form factor Feb 01 10:47:58 it's so quick to grab out of a pocket and use one handed Feb 01 10:48:05 then quickly switch to the keyboard Feb 01 10:48:42 hrw: your going to beat me to zero zauruses Feb 01 10:49:10 you guys developed "zaurus burnout"? Feb 01 10:49:16 yup Feb 01 10:49:40 it's understandable after so many years working on this stuff Feb 01 10:49:46 * XorA gets paid to work on GTA02 anyway Feb 01 10:51:09 XorA: I am going to keep c760 Feb 01 10:52:13 the clamshell zauruses make nice portable terminals at least Feb 01 10:52:44 johnx: wirelessless terminals Feb 01 10:53:00 or networkless in other words Feb 01 10:53:09 my wifi card works fine Feb 01 10:53:20 WPA works on it too Feb 01 10:53:38 and I even have terribly ugly scripts that let it roam Feb 01 10:54:01 c7x0 + wifi is less nice Feb 01 10:54:24 hm. I have to check wifistix modules for my 802.11g card Feb 01 10:54:38 because the card sticks out the side? or because of software issues? Feb 01 10:55:55 gah...splash screen enabled on this build means I can't even see where it hangs Feb 01 10:58:11 I don't even know what I'll do with the collie...it drains it's battery in ~15 minutes Feb 01 10:58:25 I think I might leave it plugged in and turn it into a low power web server Feb 01 10:58:28 it stick Feb 01 10:58:52 it stick? Feb 01 11:00:02 wifi card I mean Feb 01 11:00:40 is it a usb stick Feb 01 11:00:56 dcordes, I think he means it sticks out the side in an annoying way Feb 01 11:01:12 I guess my hands are big enough that I just kind of hold it funny and it works out ok... Feb 01 11:01:13 hehe mine does also Feb 01 11:01:52 yeah, there's still not any "perfect" linux handheld, even in terms of hardware Feb 01 11:03:47 n8*0 is cool Feb 01 11:04:01 never tried it myself though Feb 01 11:04:10 I never had a chance to use an N810 Feb 01 11:04:12 I think zaurus is pretty much close to perfect Feb 01 11:04:16 I actually have an N800 Feb 01 11:04:24 how is it vs zauri? Feb 01 11:04:50 it feels faster Feb 01 11:04:54 things work out of the box Feb 01 11:05:20 but the alternative distros for it aren't very mature Feb 01 11:06:07 the web browser is pretty good, lots faster than anything on the zaurus Feb 01 11:06:17 and 128MB of RAM makes a big difference Feb 01 11:06:35 but just like Sharp, Nokia also decided to keep certain things closed source Feb 01 11:09:01 johnx: what's closed source on the zauri Feb 01 11:10:29 a lot of the QT stuff that came on it was closed source, wasn't it? Feb 01 11:10:59 sd card driver Feb 01 11:13:07 all it takes is one really important thing being closed source to keep you stuck on an old kernel version Feb 01 11:13:13 johnx: now to use Z you do not need any closed source stuff Feb 01 11:13:35 yes, which is quite awesome Feb 01 11:14:55 <[liw]> I really like this distro. It works much better than I expected. But on my poodle GPE is unusable (too slooooow) and OPIE lacks almost everithing. How hard would it be to recompile opie (including all the apps konqueror, etc) ? Feb 01 11:14:57 ya Feb 01 11:15:43 opie wasn't being worked on very actively for a while, but I think someone is working on it again Feb 01 11:16:17 * XorA is still hoping for opieII to deleiver something Feb 01 11:17:59 * johnx likes gpe, even on the collie Feb 01 11:18:01 [liw]: just use command line Feb 01 11:18:04 <[liw]> I don't know. it looks like there are lots of opie apps for which there are no packages. I was just wondering if opie would compile easily or if it would need some hacking to work on poodle Feb 01 11:18:14 <[liw]> yeah, command line is cool Feb 01 11:18:23 [liw], I honestly don't know Feb 01 11:18:26 [liw]: opie compiles fine for poodle Feb 01 11:18:43 bitbake opie-image :-) Feb 01 11:19:08 <[liw]> but there is no lynx, either :) Feb 01 11:19:17 but what about apps such as konqueror-embedded? Feb 01 11:19:39 <[liw]> there is no konqueror package for poodle Feb 01 11:19:57 <[liw]> I was just wondering if it is because of lack of developers Feb 01 11:20:12 <[liw]> or if it is broken on poodle Feb 01 11:22:29 if it runs on any other armv5 zaurus it should run on poodle Feb 01 11:22:35 as long as you have enough ram Feb 01 11:28:30 <[liw]> I mean that opie packages for armv5 are the bare minimum. just the system, configuration, and almost no apps (no mail no browser, no irc, no nothing) and since opie runs much better than GPE (imho) I would like to compile the whole thing, if possible. Feb 01 11:30:41 [liw]: you'll have to make a request to the opie guys to populate the feeds Feb 01 11:31:18 * XorA didnt realise they hadn't Feb 01 11:31:27 <[liw]> would they ? Feb 01 11:32:04 <[liw]> I tought I needed to do it myself Feb 01 11:37:59 [liw]: it cant hurt (apart from kurt replies) to ask :-) Feb 01 11:39:40 <[liw]> :) I will take the risk Feb 01 13:00:39 hi there Feb 01 13:10:24 <[liw]> hi Feb 01 13:16:53 does 2008.1 build? Feb 01 13:30:56 someone knows a good & working GPS soft for spitz ? Feb 01 13:31:11 i found tomtom go linux sources, is there any hope to use it ? Feb 01 14:05:32 ABC|dOC: hey. Isn't there a navigation device based on angstrom? Feb 01 14:08:11 dcordes: duno :) Feb 01 14:08:28 i found this : http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Science-and-Engineering/Geographical/TomTom-Go-16769.shtml Feb 01 14:08:34 it's not angstrom based, but linux too Feb 01 14:08:57 ABC|dOC: someone got it working at least partly iirc, search for tomtom on oesf forums Feb 01 14:09:31 (it may have been debian or OZ tho, not angstrom) Feb 01 14:09:50 ABC|dOC: you can use OSM with qlandkarte Feb 01 14:10:25 OSM with qlandkarte Feb 01 14:10:28 let's find it Feb 01 14:12:13 but OSM is not a real track-creator, is it ? Feb 01 14:13:59 http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Feb 01 14:14:10 only true open source solution ^^ Feb 01 14:14:30 zroadmap and qpegps are not open source (or maybe dead projects) ? Feb 01 14:15:03 don't know them Feb 01 14:15:19 http://qlandkarte.sourceforge.net/ Feb 01 14:17:22 ok i'll see it Feb 01 14:18:01 does someone here ever tested v4l ? i have a usb dongle to receive DVB-T, i'm making tests to make it run on my desktop. then i'd liketo test it on zaurus spitz Feb 01 14:18:16 but i don't even succeed in using linux on desktop (debian sid) Feb 01 14:19:07 ABC|dOC: gpsdrive works. But supports only bitmap maps and a bit hard to use. Feb 01 14:19:57 ABC|dOC: check dmesg. I'm sure you lack the firmware Feb 01 14:20:28 how does one disable locale generation again? Feb 01 14:24:42 dcordes: i found several firmware for my usb dongle (a Geniatech T328B). I tried 4 of them, still have the same symptoms : module is loaded, firmware too, seems to be OK (dmesg is happy to tell me the aftech chipset inside is powered on) Feb 01 14:25:11 then i run scan program (from dvb-utils) and nothing happened after hours. I strace it, it locks on same place for each firmware Feb 01 14:25:17 anyhelp could be very welcomed Feb 01 14:26:01 ABC|dOC: I always scan with kaffeine :) Feb 01 14:26:16 i followed instructions in there : http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Afatech_AF9015 Feb 01 15:05:09 ABC|dOC: im running a dvb-t card on my desktop. i wouldnt try to get it working on my z though, wouldnt fancy touching that with a ten foot pole. Feb 01 15:05:21 who is the card made by? Feb 01 15:05:45 aaah Feb 01 15:06:00 i just read what you typed, ignore me. Feb 01 15:06:01 :P Feb 01 15:07:34 :) Feb 01 15:09:00 gpsdrive is pretty nice imo. Feb 01 15:09:40 ok i'll run gpsdrive to test Feb 01 15:10:10 you may want to search for a little script called gpsfetchmap.pl Feb 01 15:10:20 because it doesnt come with maps. Feb 01 15:10:41 by a strange coincidence, i finally got my z to pair with my holux gps last night, Feb 01 15:10:54 and im currently leeching loads of maps of london from expedia! Feb 01 15:10:58 (don't tell anyone) Feb 01 15:11:00 :P Feb 01 15:11:16 :p Feb 01 15:11:44 question : can gpsdrive create a track from where i'm located (tks to gps) to where i want to go ? Feb 01 15:11:56 no Feb 01 15:12:25 not if i understand you correctly. it will track where you go though. Feb 01 15:13:03 all it does is overlay gps data on maps (which you must provide yourself) Feb 01 15:13:33 so it can tell you where you are or where you have been, but not how to get where you want to go. Feb 01 15:13:40 (unless im missing something) Feb 01 15:14:36 its great for wardriving though, or suppose you find a really nice pub and you plan to drink too much to remember how to find it again! :D Feb 01 15:14:37 u understood perfectly Feb 01 15:14:48 &&&&& Feb 01 15:15:20 it works nicely with kismets waypoint file. Feb 01 15:48:28 HRH_H_Crab: hey are not you the dude with umts on zaurus? Feb 01 15:48:56 umts? Feb 01 15:49:10 gprs Feb 01 15:49:12 edge Feb 01 15:50:24 i use my sony ericsson as a modem Feb 01 15:50:30 if thats what you mean! ;P Feb 01 15:50:33 with pand Feb 01 15:50:49 you don't have windows mobile on it do you? Feb 01 15:50:55 can't get pand connection setup Feb 01 15:51:03 i do the same thing, but i use pppd/DUN Feb 01 15:51:07 nope, angstrom. Feb 01 15:51:18 on the celly Feb 01 15:51:28 no its a sony ericsson. Feb 01 15:51:52 it was the config on the phone that was indeed the hard part. Feb 01 15:52:21 I only have a usb dongle and no battery here anyhow Feb 01 15:52:27 need a usb cf Feb 01 15:52:39 bluetooth cf I mean Feb 01 15:53:18 well, i have a dongle, (usb) and i wanted a cf card as i thought it would be neater, Feb 01 15:53:32 but i asked around in here, and the responses were not that positive. Feb 01 15:53:57 does your usb bluetooth require extra mW? Feb 01 15:54:07 i was told that some worked, but were likely to be so painful to configure, that i would prob. prefer using the dongle. Feb 01 15:54:25 * XorA has CF and USB BT, the usb one certainly easier Feb 01 15:54:27 well it eats battery like crazy if thats what you mean! ;) Feb 01 15:54:44 XorA: what's so hard about the cf one? Feb 01 15:54:45 i doubt cf would be better. Feb 01 15:55:02 dcordes: total lack of any real linux support Feb 01 15:55:04 i use a bluetooth cf and ended up writing a script to do the configuration (including a cardctl eject / cardctl insert, which is needed after every suspend cycle) Feb 01 15:55:11 HRH_H_Crab: no I mean does zaurus usb power sufice to get it working Feb 01 15:55:21 dcordes: yeah Feb 01 15:55:26 it works fine. Feb 01 15:55:30 i am using a belkin. Feb 01 15:55:51 I have a longshine (ancient) one which does ask for mor power on connect Feb 01 15:57:04 thats the other benefit of usb, they are so cheap you cant really go wrong. if it doesnt work you arent going to be crying too much. Feb 01 15:57:21 k I will just try one Feb 01 15:58:02 i don't like the idea of dongles hanging off the zaurus, heh Feb 01 15:58:10 they do have the advantage that they are much cheaper though Feb 01 15:58:23 Sketch: yeah thats the massive downside of it. :( Feb 01 15:59:05 id love to have a heated discussion with whatever genius at sharp it was that decided not to build in bluetooth. Feb 01 15:59:16 good point Feb 01 15:59:20 i could have bought the bt2.0 card, but i didn't know if it was supported and didn't want to spend ~$100 on a card that i coulnd't use, so i went with the bt1.1 card Feb 01 16:00:17 small atheros 802.11 interface would also have been neat Feb 01 16:02:34 i recall someone took a usb-bt interface and mounted it inside his c1000 Feb 01 16:02:44 but they have more room inside because there's no HD Feb 01 16:04:23 btw, i don't know if anyone else saw this, but there is some support for BT SDIO cards in 2.6.24 Feb 01 16:04:44 so it may be possible to use one of those instead, in the near future if not already Feb 01 16:26:34 Sketch: don't you need to install a hub in order to make this work? (usb inside zaurus) or did they solder it to the bus which is connected to the external jack? Feb 01 16:27:20 i think they soldered it to the bus Feb 01 16:28:40 don't want to lose my external port Feb 01 16:29:22 zaurus akita/spitz has second usb port on-board Feb 01 16:29:30 now that's cool Feb 01 16:29:50 hrw: do you know where I can find pcb picture to locate it? Feb 01 16:30:15 you're making a frankenzaurus? Feb 01 16:30:38 check out www.oesf.org/forum ->cxx00 hardware forums Feb 01 16:32:13 summatusmentis: sure :D Feb 01 16:32:31 putting bt/wifi inside of the case of a z? Feb 01 16:34:09 only bt Feb 01 16:34:23 wifi needs extra powr Feb 01 16:36:50 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13562&hl=bluetooth Feb 01 16:36:56 there's a 24-page topic on it on oesf, heh Feb 01 16:41:42 hm I just wonder where the usb port is Feb 01 16:42:14 from some of the early posts its sounds like there is some discussing of using a bluetooth serial module with some unused GPIO pins Feb 01 16:42:25 dunno if anyone ever made that work or not, the thread is long ;) Feb 01 16:51:43 hrw: in oesf forums they don't mention a second usb port on-board :( Feb 01 16:51:59 only speak of a serial port and unsoldering usb host port Feb 01 16:55:36 read more Feb 01 17:05:41 hrw|gone: can't find anything Feb 01 17:05:47 can you give me a hint? Feb 01 17:06:08 it was long time ago Feb 01 17:06:21 and now I am a bit tired of computer (9h with it) Feb 01 17:07:46 me too I will first buy me the BT usb device :) Feb 01 17:07:54 thanks for the hinting Feb 01 17:08:02 bye Feb 01 18:23:29 bah Feb 01 18:23:34 bluetooth really is hell. Feb 01 18:24:01 i got my gps working fine last night, after a few beers, god knows how, but today, no luck whatsoever! :P Feb 01 18:27:37 HRH_H_Crab: have a couple of beers then ? Feb 01 18:27:48 heh Feb 01 18:32:14 HRH_H_Crab: i had the same problem..after trying a whole bunch of things, it eventually worked Feb 01 18:32:22 but then i wasn't sure what had actually caused it to work ;) Feb 01 18:32:33 i did figure it out with some more trial and error tho Feb 01 18:33:05 anyone have a C860 they want to let go of? Feb 01 18:35:48 Sketch: the really really frustrating thing, and im not knocking angstrom here in the slightest, Feb 01 18:35:58 but under oe, after the inital farting around, Feb 01 18:36:09 it was just a case of power on z, power on gps, Feb 01 18:36:13 plug in dongle and go. Feb 01 18:36:23 no stopping starting gpsd, no nothing. Feb 01 18:36:34 but again, i have no idea how i got it working like that even under oe ;) Feb 01 18:36:42 such is the joy of bluetooth on linux. Feb 01 18:37:20 yeah, BT DUN "just worked" in cacko for me Feb 01 18:37:46 (except i had to manually eject/insert the card after resume) Feb 01 18:56:38 hi, have anybody opie-image build for hx4700? Feb 01 19:00:25 well if i cat /dev/rfcomm0 i get a load of stuff... Feb 01 19:00:44 so there seems to be something connected to it. Feb 01 19:08:56 hrhr: you could try http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/hx4700/ Feb 01 19:09:30 hrhr: Use with caution, you might be the first person to try them. Feb 01 19:09:50 hrhr: also, IIRC there are no opie feeds for angstrom yet Feb 01 19:15:45 hvontres|work: thx, but I havn't find any opie image at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/hx4700/ Feb 01 19:16:20 and bitbake opie-image finished with error Feb 01 19:52:21 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/01/zaurus-leather-case-for-free/ Feb 01 21:19:58 hrw|gone: I want one :D Feb 01 21:45:41 join #hostap Feb 01 21:53:42 hi Feb 01 21:55:17 using pand, how do you define the password on the client side? Feb 01 21:55:30 I'm trying to hook up akita with wm6 modem Feb 01 21:55:44 evening dcordes_ Feb 01 21:55:51 hi mimecar Feb 01 21:56:11 i tested openmoko theme on matchbox Feb 01 21:56:20 it looks ok ig you have big finers Feb 01 21:56:23 fingers Feb 01 21:57:11 sausage fingers Feb 01 21:57:30 I think neo1973 screen is a bit smaller Feb 01 21:58:05 it's interesteing change of look'n'feel Feb 01 21:58:26 yes indeed. the standard matchbox themes are not that exciting Feb 01 21:59:13 you can change gtk2 theme Feb 01 21:59:27 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5d283b8448ca0fcf8ed7211fa277d3d2.png Feb 01 21:59:41 I played with gtk, and the change it's interesting... Feb 01 22:00:02 dcordes: im not sure what you mean by password, there is just standard bluetooth peering, Feb 01 22:00:07 and once thats sorted out its a simple case of something like: Feb 01 22:00:17 pand --connect 00:16:B8:13:3C:19 --service NAP --autozap Feb 01 22:00:23 followed by ifup bnep0 Feb 01 22:00:40 where 00:blah is the id of your modem (phone) Feb 01 22:00:46 how does interfaces bnep0 look like? Feb 01 22:00:54 iface bnep0 inet dhcp? Feb 01 22:03:24 yeah Feb 01 22:03:29 something like that Feb 01 22:03:34 <--- cooking bbiab Feb 01 22:03:41 ok thanks Feb 01 22:05:40 HRH_H_Crab: when I hit "pand --connect mac --service NAP --autozap" wm6 wants a password Feb 01 22:09:35 dcordes: i guess thats its bluetooth pin its asking for Feb 01 22:09:40 but thats a wild guess. Feb 01 22:15:19 HRH_H_Crab: ah reading helped Feb 01 22:15:40 I had to specify pin in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf Feb 01 22:16:19 got it working then? Feb 01 22:16:23 yea Feb 01 22:16:28 akita is online Feb 01 22:16:30 nice Feb 01 22:17:03 now I only need a non obsolete bluetooth 2 device w/o massive power drain Feb 01 22:17:23 the ones that are not bigger than the usb jack were out :( Feb 01 22:19:45 if only the bloody gps would behave as well. Feb 01 22:19:56 lol even radio works Feb 01 22:19:57 i cant believe i had it working last night, and now, no joy whatsoever. Feb 01 22:20:02 that's ill Feb 01 22:20:06 ? Feb 01 22:20:12 online radio Feb 01 22:20:52 bluetooth gps? Feb 01 22:21:17 dcordes: yeah Feb 01 22:21:24 explain what you mean by online radio? Feb 01 22:21:29 internet stylee? Feb 01 22:21:34 played with what? mplayer? Feb 01 22:22:01 radio as in fm and stuff from the internet ^^ Feb 01 22:22:11 mpeg stream played with mplayer Feb 01 22:22:19 aaah Feb 01 22:22:23 i see Feb 01 22:22:35 thats some impressive bandwidth you are getting then. Feb 01 22:22:49 edge Feb 01 22:22:50 i doubt mine would be capable of that, but its fine for shelling into my machine at home. Feb 01 22:23:09 I got free internet with some device Feb 01 22:23:20 gprs edge umts hsdpa Feb 01 22:23:27 nice Feb 01 22:23:43 but only limited. that's why I got this working Feb 01 22:23:55 incredible how easy it is if you know how. thanks again Feb 01 22:24:12 as for my gps problem, i suspect, (this is another wild guess), that it may be connected to the fact that i upgraded loads of bluetooth stuff on the z today. Feb 01 22:24:23 maybe some versions of bluez etc. arent friendly with my gps. Feb 01 22:24:30 thats the only thing i can think of. Feb 01 22:24:37 do you have a common chipset? Feb 01 22:24:52 dunno Feb 01 22:25:03 its a holux gpslim or something. Feb 01 22:25:11 never had a problem with oe, Feb 01 22:25:16 worked fine last night on angstrom, Feb 01 22:25:42 (first time i ever got it working on angstrom, i was a bit drunk and saw my unused gps lying there and decided to try it) Feb 01 22:25:50 but i had no maps on the thing. Feb 01 22:25:53 I know such situations lol Feb 01 22:25:57 so this morning, i copied all of those over, Feb 01 22:26:26 but now its not playing ball. Feb 01 22:26:31 it could be something ive done, Feb 01 22:26:38 or it could be the bluetooth upgrades... Feb 01 22:26:41 dunno. ;P Feb 01 22:26:59 you could try and reflash with and older build of angstrom just to make sure it is not the changes in the modules Feb 01 22:28:40 i could do, but ill leave that project for another time i think. Feb 01 22:28:54 its not something i need, it was just a fun toy. Feb 01 22:29:06 now, if it was pand which stopped working, Feb 01 22:29:12 id be flashing like crazy! ;) Feb 01 22:30:12 ill prob. get a neo if it ever is ready for primetime, and get my gps kicks that way. Feb 01 22:30:40 I have gps in the wm6 modem thingy here Feb 01 22:30:57 but it's wm6 so... I'm happy to have it giving all it's internet to akita now ^^ Feb 01 22:31:07 heh Feb 01 22:31:17 they are quite nice devices. Feb 01 22:31:28 id sooner get one of those wm things than an iphone, Feb 01 22:31:45 but im still pretty anti-windows, Feb 01 22:31:48 so its not gonna happen! Feb 01 22:33:14 I was hoping for a quickly developing linux-msm.git Feb 01 22:33:28 Hello everyone.... I've started experimenting with Angstrom and OE a couple of days ago and was wondering if anyone has compiled this successfully for the Sequoia machine (PowerPC) Feb 01 22:36:11 alex_l: i think the supported machines are listed on the website. i don't know if anyone is working on other ones. Feb 01 22:37:16 sequoia cool Feb 01 22:37:47 HRH_H_Crab: lol with my mini usb hub between bluetooth dongle works Feb 01 22:38:07 even w/o power Feb 01 22:38:18 HRH_H_Crab: Thanks... I saw a list somewhere on the site and there didn't seem to be any maintainer for the Sequoia (or PowerPC in general), but again I've only started a couple of days ago so I'm catching up... Feb 01 22:40:27 dcordes: not sure what you mean. have you put something between the z and the dongle which means that your beast of a dongle no longer draws current?! Feb 01 22:47:26 HRH_H_Crab: well that something(usb hub) just tells the zaurus host there is power Feb 01 22:47:31 even though it has none Feb 01 22:47:40 aaah Feb 01 22:47:54 so the z doesnt bother putting power over usb? Feb 01 22:48:06 it does provide some Feb 01 22:48:26 but according to what my oldskool bluetooth device says not enough when I plug it in Feb 01 22:48:34 heh Feb 01 22:48:41 obviously it's not that low Feb 01 22:48:56 have a very stable connection Feb 01 22:49:06 well, i think you will find your battery goes down quickly. Feb 01 22:49:09 at least mine does. Feb 01 22:49:23 and thats with a 2007 vintage bluetooth dongle! Feb 01 22:49:40 I hope the turbo micro thing I'm going to get does not draw so much Feb 01 22:49:45 let me find it Feb 01 22:50:30 http://www.amazon.com/Cirago-BTA-3210-MICRO-Bluetooth-Adapter/dp/B000W4TZSC/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201906213&sr=8-1 Feb 01 22:50:34 just like that Feb 01 22:51:07 nice Feb 01 22:51:19 i have a device a bit like that, Feb 01 22:51:29 but its a micro sd card reader, not a bt dongle. Feb 01 22:51:45 amazon offers to buy the dongle plus a fitting laptop and save Feb 01 22:52:44 * dcordes sighs Feb 01 22:52:51 if I just hat linux running on htckaiser Feb 01 22:53:07 dcordes: do you use bitbake at all? Feb 01 22:53:15 sure Feb 01 22:53:19 it was baking my cpu all day Feb 01 22:53:22 on what distro? Feb 01 22:53:27 angstrom Feb 01 22:53:39 no i mean, to build the pkgs Feb 01 22:53:41 2008.1 Feb 01 22:53:56 oh sure. my host machine is ubuntu 7.10 Feb 01 22:54:27 do you know if any really friendly regulars in here use it on gentoo by any chance? Feb 01 22:54:30 :P Feb 01 22:55:09 i really want to learn it but i think ill need a little bit of guidance to get myself up and running. Feb 01 22:55:12 im dying to build mpd. Feb 01 22:55:18 mpd? Feb 01 22:55:39 http://www.musicpd.org/ Feb 01 22:55:43 my fave mp3 player. Feb 01 22:55:51 mplayer is nice and all, but mpd is where its at. Feb 01 22:56:24 that's easy. you just need to make a recipe for it Feb 01 22:57:07 im not exactly sure what that means though, except i kind of think it must be like an ebuild. Feb 01 22:57:25 yep Feb 01 22:58:32 HRH_H_Crab: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages Feb 01 22:59:01 OE is just like gentoo Feb 01 22:59:45 you have metadata and a cross compile tool Feb 01 23:00:24 yeah, its not listed in there by the look of it. Feb 01 23:00:30 it was around in oz though. Feb 01 23:00:48 you can always compile natively on your target machine :D Feb 01 23:00:56 hahah Feb 01 23:01:07 although... Feb 01 23:01:12 its a console app... Feb 01 23:01:12 might not be too hard. Feb 01 23:01:22 s/hard/slow Feb 01 23:03:59 HRH_H_Crab: what do you need in order to play? Feb 01 23:04:02 only mpd? Feb 01 23:04:12 or also an interface Feb 01 23:04:16 no, you'd need ncmpc too. Feb 01 23:04:22 that would prob. be the lightest one. Feb 01 23:04:37 well, not counting that psychopathic bash thing. Feb 01 23:04:38 so you need the daemon and a client Feb 01 23:04:43 yep. Feb 01 23:04:45 mpc - a command line tool for MPD ? Feb 01 23:04:49 yeah Feb 01 23:04:52 that could work too, Feb 01 23:04:59 but ncmpc is a lot nicer than that one. Feb 01 23:05:32 its a really great music player. Feb 01 23:05:41 i don't know why more people don't know about it. Feb 01 23:06:14 i used to have a headless server, with an maudio audiophile, (nice gold plated rca jacks) hooked up to my stereo. Feb 01 23:06:21 the beauty is you can use whatever client you want. Feb 01 23:06:31 there are web based ones, gnome ones, kde ones, Feb 01 23:06:35 windows etc. etc. Feb 01 23:06:39 NOTE: package mpd-0.13.1-r0: task do_configure: started Feb 01 23:06:39 everything you can think of. Feb 01 23:06:50 dude! Feb 01 23:06:51 ERROR: function do_configure failed Feb 01 23:06:56