**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 20 02:59:57 2008 Feb 20 03:54:20 is this a good place to ask about install linux on an ipaq h2200 Feb 20 03:54:27 installing* Feb 20 03:55:04 i have been searching for a week and can't seem to find any current info **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 20 06:49:06 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 20 07:02:15 2008 Feb 20 08:08:43 morning .. Feb 20 08:08:58 i am fighting xcursor-transparent-theme Feb 20 08:09:18 i place all content into /usr/share/icons Feb 20 08:09:37 did the index.theme under /home/root , yet the cursor is visible Feb 20 08:09:58 the strange thing is , xdpyinfo doesnt show the XCursor extension .. is this my problem ? Feb 20 14:17:05 Hello all Feb 20 14:17:22 What the the Diffrence between the Zaurus Linux system and the Angstrom system? Feb 20 14:17:57 Why do I want to port? Since I saw that my Angstrom isnt 100% Functional on the Zaurus SL-5500 Feb 20 14:17:59 OpenZaurus became Angstrom, so Angstrom is updated, cleaned, streamlined and buzzwordified Feb 20 14:18:17 Yea, OpenZaurus and Angstrom I know that. Feb 20 14:18:24 But I am talking about the Native Zaurus system Feb 20 14:19:04 Robin_: thats like a pile of crap comaring to a ferrari :-) Feb 20 14:19:12 Ah Feb 20 14:19:13 heh Feb 20 14:19:18 I didnt know that :P Feb 20 14:19:30 I thought Zaurus was just a Linux Distro? Feb 20 14:19:44 Zaurus is a familly of machines Feb 20 14:19:59 sharp did a quick and nasty 2.4 based linux for them Feb 20 14:20:12 based on non public qtopia and embeddix kernel Feb 20 14:20:38 Ah, like. "We dont have enough time to make something nice so lets just put a 2.4Kernel there and make it work and sell the Devices" Feb 20 14:21:07 thats it Feb 20 14:21:15 Ah, thanks Feb 20 14:21:18 It works quite well actually, but is a git to expand Feb 20 14:21:45 But, I see on the linuxtogo.org wiki that the Collie (is that the SL-5500) hardly works? :S Feb 20 14:22:12 Angstrom is 2.6 based and there is a hacker coding away on a 2.6 kernel for it Feb 20 14:22:29 at the moment best option for 5500 is hentges distro Feb 20 14:22:54 Ah, thats like Angstrom but then it does work for the 5500? Feb 20 14:23:13 Robin_: its an enhanced version of the last OZ release Feb 20 14:23:27 OZ? Feb 20 14:23:45 OpenZaurus Feb 20 14:23:54 Ah, thanks Feb 20 14:24:00 I feel really Stupid now ;) Feb 20 14:25:05 And this sounds really like I am a Moron I know Feb 20 14:25:34 But, I havnt bought the SL-5500 yet and I want to be 100% I dont make a Misbuy Feb 20 14:25:56 It has a SD Slot for Memory Liek 1~2GIG right? Feb 20 14:26:01 And it has a PCMCIA slot? Feb 20 14:28:29 compactflash, not pcmcia Feb 20 14:29:05 Umm, how come they all put in Wifi? And Bluetooth and GPS and GPRS? Feb 20 14:29:34 they use compactflash wifi cards Feb 20 14:29:35 Since CompactFlash is memory :/ Feb 20 14:29:43 compactflash is just an interface Feb 20 14:29:50 it's actually very similar to PCMCIA Feb 20 14:30:03 Ah, do GPRS or Bluetooth exist in CF? Feb 20 14:30:09 bluetooth does Feb 20 14:30:38 Ah, thanks Feb 20 14:30:47 well I got Confused by Tuxmobil.org Feb 20 14:30:53 since it says: CF Cards - PCMCIA Feb 20 14:32:33 there is probably a GRPS compactflash card, but I have no idea if it would be compatible with Linux Feb 20 14:32:54 heh thats not the Point atm ;) Feb 20 14:33:21 Thanks already you've been a great help :) Feb 20 14:33:27 sure :) Feb 20 14:33:45 I think that fidning the right CF cards is going to be a PAIN Feb 20 14:33:48 out of curiosity, what do you intend to use it for? Feb 20 14:33:54 My job Feb 20 14:34:02 I am a Security Analist Feb 20 14:34:06 analyst* Feb 20 14:34:08 yes, finding CF wifi cards is a pain these days Feb 20 14:34:12 RTM-8800 works fine on zaurus Feb 20 14:34:16 ah, damn forgot how to write it in English Feb 20 14:34:35 anyhow, I need Bluetooth and Wifi for it. and I love to get GPRS so I can throw my phone away ;) Feb 20 14:34:43 RTM-8800 is GPRS Feb 20 14:34:46 XorA, Ill search for taht, thanks :) Feb 20 14:35:13 You can also get wifi in sd right? Feb 20 14:35:36 Robin_, I assume you need Linux for what you do. Have you looked at other Linux handhelds such as other Zauruses or the Nokia handhelds or an HP/Compaq iPaq capable of running Linux? Feb 20 14:36:06 I don't think anyone ever got SDIO cards *really* working on any Zaurus Feb 20 14:36:09 I have looked around and I thought that the Zaurus was just a nice card Feb 20 14:36:22 Distro* Feb 20 14:36:28 Since well I NEED a keyboard Feb 20 14:36:36 and I need wifi Feb 20 14:36:45 And I really love to have Bluetooth Feb 20 14:36:46 Robin_: have you looked at the other zaurus models? Feb 20 14:36:55 hmm, I would think twice before buying the 5500 Feb 20 14:36:57 Yea I have, but this is the only one thats for sale Feb 20 14:37:15 Ah, is the 5500 that biga pain? Feb 20 14:37:20 Robin_: a c760 c860 c1000 c3x00 are much bettern models Feb 20 14:37:21 it is a nice form factor, but it's just not supported as well as the other devices Feb 20 14:37:36 Ah, thanks for the Warning Feb 20 14:37:37 :) Feb 20 14:37:42 I wont waste my MOney now Feb 20 14:38:00 and XorA Ill seach for the x760, c860, c1000 and c3x00 Feb 20 14:38:06 and all those models are fully working in Angstrom Feb 20 14:38:22 heh you answerd my question before I typed it :P Feb 20 14:38:37 I think the c750 is also ok, the c700 is the one to avoid if I remeber right Feb 20 14:38:58 that sounds right Feb 20 14:38:58 I am looking for them now Feb 20 14:38:58 the 6000 has built in wifi and bluetooth in the right models, but not so well working in angstrom Feb 20 14:39:34 I dont have to much money. So the Newest arnt to good for me. Ill Upgrade later on ;) Feb 20 14:40:13 Robin_: or wait a couple of months and OpenMoko GTA02 with wifi and bluetooth is released Feb 20 14:40:16 Oha nd the c760 c860 c1000 c3x00 all have a keyboard right Feb 20 14:40:22 I have been thinking about a OpenMoko Feb 20 14:40:28 all zauruses have keyboards Feb 20 14:40:28 but the problem with that is No keyboard Feb 20 14:40:40 bluetooth keyboard? Feb 20 14:40:51 c760,860 and c1000,c3x00 all have very nice big keyboards :) Feb 20 14:41:16 XorA, I prefer it on the Device since I want this to get rid of all the other stuff in my pockets Feb 20 14:41:26 I travel alot thats why I want it to get smaller Feb 20 14:43:09 I know the feeling, also check out the nokia n810 Feb 20 14:43:18 Also did that ;) Feb 20 14:43:19 pricey, but keyboard, wifi, bluetooth Feb 20 14:43:30 thats what I ditched my zaurus for Feb 20 14:43:31 But the Nokia n810 Doesnt support GPRS in ANYway Feb 20 14:43:43 No CF or anything :/ Feb 20 14:44:20 no, but I doubt you'll want to use a zaurus to make phone calls Feb 20 14:44:30 Really :/ Feb 20 14:44:34 Robin_: I BT to my phone :-) Feb 20 14:44:50 Robin_, n810 dont have any kind of telephone hardware ! Feb 20 14:44:56 Ok, I am back to the idea of Nokia n810 :P Feb 20 14:45:14 Since you dont have to change the main software on that to make it work right? Feb 20 14:45:40 hmm...what software do you use for your job? Feb 20 14:45:46 kismet? wireshark? Feb 20 14:46:08 Robin_: n810 can drive a usb 3g modem Feb 20 14:46:12 Kismet, Wireshark, SSH, VNCViewer, dsniff, CustomBuildSoftware bymyself Feb 20 14:46:16 mainly Feb 20 14:46:34 Robin_: I heard is even has enough grunt to power it without external hub, but double check that rumour Feb 20 14:47:02 * broonie has always used his phone as a modem for his Nokia tablets Feb 20 14:47:04 XorA, Yea, I heard it was really powerfull myself Feb 20 14:47:33 And, I dont have a BT-Phone at this point :P so I also will have to buy a Phone then :/ Feb 20 14:47:35 kismet *mostly* works on the N810 and N800 Feb 20 14:47:55 Robin_: can pick up old BT nokias for peanuts Feb 20 14:48:14 Ah, ok then that Bluetooth Part isnt that hard ;) Feb 20 14:48:31 johnx, Yea I heard that it works. But not. if that makes sense Feb 20 14:48:57 The deal why I want a Small Device is since I do most of the testing for Stores now. (Since I am still a Student) Feb 20 14:49:11 it will probably get better with time Feb 20 14:49:13 * XorA hasnt tried kismet on the n810 yet Feb 20 14:49:24 have you considered and small, older used laptop? Feb 20 14:49:27 johnx, Everything does ;) Feb 20 14:49:42 s/and/a/g Feb 20 14:49:56 johnx, I cant find Small Laptops. I know about the decive between the Laptop and the PDA buy that just doesnt work.. Feb 20 14:50:02 wierdly I use a Windows Mobile phone as internet access for n810 :-) Feb 20 14:50:19 XorA, heh thats Funny ;) Feb 20 14:51:21 So, a Nokia n810 or the new Neo Freerunner is that you guys think I should for?? Feb 20 14:52:02 * XorA works for OpenMoko so I cant push on the freerunner :-) Feb 20 14:52:22 Well, you haven't released it yet anyway. Feb 20 14:53:14 I think I will just wait a short while Feb 20 14:53:20 And then Ill read about the Freerunner Feb 20 14:53:38 wise plan, not sure whether it will beat the n810 yet Feb 20 14:53:48 In the mean while Ill just keep trying to get my Old PDA working :P and Focus on my Study Feb 20 14:53:55 I can't tell you what to buy...but if you need something completely works with all your programs, get and older laptop and a backpack to carry it Feb 20 14:54:11 Robin_: whats your old pda Feb 20 14:54:15 johnx, Yea, I know a Laptop JUST works.. ;) Feb 20 14:54:34 I sold my laptop when I got my zaurus Feb 20 14:54:39 I just never used it anymore Feb 20 14:55:27 XorA, My old PDA is the Anti-Christ of the PDAs (if you want Linux) its the hp iPAQ h1930. It KILLS LINEXEC and does only have a terible way to get a Serial Connection thats called InfaRed.. Feb 20 14:55:52 I will say that a Zaurus C760,C860 and C1000,C3x00 will work reliably with kismet under angstrom Feb 20 14:56:12 I also have a OLD Laptop here :P but well its Heavy... and Since I put Linux on there the Search keeps getting black Feb 20 14:56:45 I think I keep getting back at more then just one Device. Feb 20 14:57:25 I did think about building my own device.. But that thing was just huge. 20, 10, 5 CM Feb 20 14:57:53 @all, Is it alright is I Save this Confersation for Reference later on? Feb 20 14:58:27 johnx, Thanks ;) Feb 20 14:58:52 sure, there are already public logs of this channel :) Feb 20 14:59:10 Ah, didnt know that ;) Feb 20 14:59:21 I am just going to put everything in a Nice table and then Pick Feb 20 14:59:27 this is going to be a hard pick though ;) Feb 20 14:59:48 good plan, make sure to check on forums and see what people are having problems with on different devices Feb 20 15:00:44 I make this table. And post the Table in Diffrent Places ask people and everything Feb 20 15:01:06 in the meanwhile Ill Seperate more and more money for the Project ;) Feb 20 15:01:19 good luck :) Feb 20 15:01:23 I need to get some sleep Feb 20 15:01:29 'night Feb 20 15:01:45 Thanks for eveything goonight ;) Feb 20 15:35:51 XorA, are you still here Id like to ask you something? Feb 20 15:36:08 Robin_: for a few more minutes Feb 20 15:36:18 Ah, well as I am filling in my Table Feb 20 15:36:33 And I thought I read that you work on the Freerunner Feb 20 15:36:46 I do Feb 20 15:37:27 Will the Freerunner support Extra memory (SD cards?) and does the Wifi card the Freerrunner uses support the thing that Kismet needs? Feb 20 15:37:39 has anyone gotten 'entrance' from e17 to build? It fails in both dev and stable. Error is that esmart requires >= 0.9.0, but esmart_cvs builds fine. Feb 20 15:38:10 XorA, Its kinda a fight with the Nokia n810 and the Neo Freerunner now :P Feb 20 15:39:04 Robin_: is has a microSD slot, and I dont know whether wifi works in promiscous mode yet Feb 20 15:39:17 Robin_: I beleive it does, but the driver guy is still working on it Feb 20 15:39:35 XorA, ah, well tell him that if he makes it work Ill give him a Cookie ;) Feb 20 15:40:11 Does it have a Camara? Since I wasnt sure about that either Feb 20 15:40:56 Robin_: no Feb 20 15:41:08 Ah, ok =) Feb 20 15:41:55 I just want the Freerunner to release and I think Ill buy that Device. Since I can get Rid of EVERYTHING else then :P Feb 20 15:42:10 XorA, What is your part in the Project if I may ask? Feb 20 15:42:42 Robin_: build system developer, Im on OE developer paid be OpenMoko Feb 20 15:42:59 Ah, nice =) Feb 20 15:46:24 time to go Feb 20 15:46:29 Cu Feb 20 15:46:34 Thanks fo all the help;) Feb 20 15:53:16 126007]]]]]]]]]]]] Feb 20 15:53:18 oops Feb 20 15:54:36 Im off Feb 20 15:54:40 Thanks for everything =D Feb 20 15:54:41 Cheers Feb 20 19:13:26 hi Feb 20 20:09:42 I can't connect with monotone.openembedded.org, what's the other mirror address? Feb 20 21:56:41 hi Feb 20 21:57:18 is there a mirror of http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/ somewhere - the webserver seems down Feb 20 22:04:00 !logs Feb 20 22:04:01 Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at: Feb 20 22:04:02 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom Feb 20 22:04:03 Live-logs are available at Feb 20 22:04:04 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog Feb 20 22:04:06 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 21 02:59:57 2008