**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 02 10:59:57 2008
Mar 02 12:18:34 <thelonecabbag1> I just installed the x11 version on a Zaurus c860, and I'm having trouble with certain applications saving their settings. (time settings, and fbreader)   Is this a common problem?
Mar 02 12:20:02 <johnx> thelonecabbag1, do you think they're related
Mar 02 12:20:18 <thelonecabbag1> seems to be
Mar 02 12:20:27 <johnx> I know that there have been issues saving time settings, and using the latest fbreader on another platform I have issues saving settings sometimes...
Mar 02 12:20:31 <thelonecabbag1> the settings work while the program runs
Mar 02 12:20:37 <johnx> ah
Mar 02 12:20:48 <thelonecabbag1> then fail on reload
Mar 02 12:21:00 <johnx> interesting
Mar 02 12:21:03 <thelonecabbag1> if the time settings are also being saved to the home folder...
Mar 02 12:21:07 <thelonecabbag1> maybe the same problem
Mar 02 12:21:11 <johnx> could be a permissions thing
Mar 02 12:21:15 <thelonecabbag1> the whole path is chmodded 777
Mar 02 12:21:34 <thelonecabbag1> perhaps a programming error?  It can't create the . folder?
Mar 02 12:21:43 <thelonecabbag1> (would seem a really obvious mistake)
Mar 02 12:22:52 <johnx> but other things can save?
Mar 02 12:23:03 <johnx> or save settings, rather?
Mar 02 12:23:16 <thelonecabbag1> which makes me think it's programatic/packageing
Mar 02 12:23:31 <thelonecabbag1> are you also using the c7x00 branch?
Mar 02 12:50:20 <thelonecabbag1> john?
Mar 02 12:50:39 <johnx> still here, distracted :)
Mar 02 12:53:32 <johnx> I'll see what directory fbreader stores settings
Mar 02 12:53:53 <thelonecabbag1> cool
Mar 02 12:53:55 <thelonecabbag1> so will I
Mar 02 12:53:59 <thelonecabbag1> btw: side issue.
Mar 02 12:54:05 <CoreDump> somewhere in ~
Mar 02 12:54:18 <thelonecabbag1> do you recomend and decent PIM apps for gpe/angstrom?
Mar 02 12:54:45 <johnx> the gpe stuff is fine...is the pimlico stuff available?
Mar 02 12:54:57 <thelonecabbag1> not that I saw
Mar 02 12:55:09 <johnx> honestly my "PIM" is just text files and a list of phone numbers on my cell phone 
Mar 02 12:55:10 <thelonecabbag1> the gpe stuff that I got was kinda lame
Mar 02 12:55:31 <thelonecabbag1> same except for my todo list
Mar 02 12:56:19 <thelonecabbag1> guess I'll have to wait till android works 100% before I get a decent PIM that syncs with google
Mar 02 12:56:48 <johnx> ~/.FBReader
Mar 02 12:57:02 <johnx> pimlico should be buildable without much fuss
Mar 02 13:01:19 <johnx> thelonecabbag1, the pimlico stuff is dates, contacts and tasks
Mar 02 13:01:25 <johnx> it looks like it's available
Mar 02 13:01:59 <thelonecabbag1> and the config.changes.xml looks to have stored the info
Mar 02 13:02:05 <CoreDump> the package names are rather unfortunate
Mar 02 13:02:06 <thelonecabbag1> but it doesn't retain it on reload
Mar 02 13:03:26 <johnx> a meta package "pimlico-pim" or something might be nice
Mar 02 13:04:23 <thelonecabbag1> I think the gpe packages are pimlico
Mar 02 13:04:35 <johnx> eh?
Mar 02 13:04:41 <CoreDump> you should request this on angstrom-devel ;)
Mar 02 13:04:54 <johnx> gpe-contacts != contacts
Mar 02 13:05:27 <CoreDump> the pimlico stuff just compiled OOTB
Mar 02 13:05:47 <johnx> it was already available I think
Mar 02 13:05:51 <johnx> in the angstrom feeds
Mar 02 13:05:54 <CoreDump> even better
Mar 02 13:06:05 <CoreDump> *that's
Mar 02 13:06:08 <johnx> I started a compile too, before even looking :D
Mar 02 13:06:16 <CoreDump> =D
Mar 02 13:06:41 <johnx> it helps that "my" build box is actually my friend's machine...I don't even think twice about starting a large job
Mar 02 13:07:04 <thelonecabbag1> you build on the Z?
Mar 02 13:07:20 <CoreDump> I have a dedicated buildmachine here. I got tired of large jobs on my notebook...
Mar 02 13:08:11 <johnx> thelonecabbag1, I build on a quad core AMD machine that I could never afford. It belongs to my friend and he rarely uses it, so he offered it to me as long as I nice my jobs :)
Mar 02 13:08:34 * CoreDump chuckle
Mar 02 13:08:37 <CoreDump> *s
Mar 02 13:08:48 <CoreDump> quadcore rocks
Mar 02 13:09:28 <thelonecabbag1> my system at home is much faster than the universities... and it's only a 2x
Mar 02 13:10:31 <CoreDump> dual-core is nice indeed. Lets you run a build without slowing the OS down too much. But -j3 or similar is out of the question in this case
Mar 02 13:10:52 <thelonecabbag1> pretty much exactly
Mar 02 13:10:57 <thelonecabbag1> I use it mostly for running VM's
Mar 02 13:11:13 <thelonecabbag1> 1cpu is really painful for that
Mar 02 13:11:19 <CoreDump> yeah
Mar 02 13:11:33 <johnx> meh...my A64 3000+ seems to hold up just fine
Mar 02 13:11:44 <CoreDump> thankfully CPU prices have come down a _lot_ in the past 24 month
Mar 02 13:11:50 <thelonecabbag1> and memory :)
Mar 02 13:11:58 <johnx> and flash storage!
Mar 02 13:12:35 <thelonecabbag1> I still can't figure out what to do with more than 2g on my Z
Mar 02 13:12:42 <thelonecabbag1> even that's a bit too spacious
Mar 02 13:12:58 <thelonecabbag1> that I suppose will change when I care to play media
Mar 02 13:13:13 <CoreDump> heh, the MD in my spitz is 80% unused
Mar 02 13:13:19 <johnx> start doing onboard compiles...
Mar 02 13:14:13 <CoreDump> ugh =)
Mar 02 13:14:24 <johnx> I was playing with Debian for a while, and a couple onboard compiles sucked in lots of dependencies
Mar 02 13:14:33 <CoreDump> I use my spitz for e-book reading mostly. What a waste
Mar 02 13:15:02 <johnx> then I realized that my "old" athlon 64 3000 was faster at emulating an ARM in qemu than my Akita was natively...
Mar 02 13:15:36 <johnx> I'd really like to get more of the maemo stuff into angstrom
Mar 02 13:15:43 <johnx> I think that might make a real difference
Mar 02 13:15:57 <johnx> even having a decent browser is a nice change
Mar 02 13:16:30 <CoreDump> firefox worked perfectly on SL-Cxx00 until EABI broke it
Mar 02 13:16:39 <johnx> midori is rather nice
Mar 02 13:16:44 <johnx> in the newest svn
Mar 02 13:17:00 <johnx> actually, I should do a new checkout :)
Mar 02 13:18:00 <johnx> doesn't firefox 3 have a lot of portability fixes?
Mar 02 13:18:10 <CoreDump> no idea
Mar 02 13:18:23 <thelonecabbag1> ebook reader is mostly all I use it for either
Mar 02 13:19:18 <johnx> I get on IRC and IM sometimes, but I don't usually have wifi in may places except at my house, and using my phone for data would be rather expensive O_o
Mar 02 13:19:28 <johnx> s/may/any/g
Mar 02 13:20:59 <CoreDump> If the screen wasn't so damn small it would work nicely for navigation via navit
Mar 02 13:21:23 <johnx> maemo mapper works well enough
Mar 02 13:21:34 <johnx> I wonder if the no-hildon version is kept up to date
Mar 02 13:22:34 <CoreDump> http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Neo1973/img_0368.jpg
Mar 02 13:22:58 <johnx> nice :)
Mar 02 13:23:04 <CoreDump> =)
Mar 02 13:23:28 <johnx> my phone took over a lot of my Zaurus's navigation duties, since it has 3G and GPS, though...
Mar 02 13:23:49 <thelonecabbag1> I'm holding stead till a real gPhone comes out
Mar 02 13:23:49 <CoreDump> http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Neo1973/navit/IMGP0411.JPG
Mar 02 13:24:11 <CoreDump> navit on neo1973 is smooth and useable
Mar 02 13:24:17 <johnx> what does navit use for maps?
Mar 02 13:24:22 <CoreDump> if it weren't for the small screen
Mar 02 13:24:35 <CoreDump> johnx: OSM and some commercial formats
Mar 02 13:25:10 <johnx> ah
Mar 02 13:25:17 <johnx> probably not so helpful here :/
Mar 02 13:25:49 <CoreDump> heh, right
Mar 02 13:26:29 <johnx> maybe if I get a bluetooth GPS I'll join the OSM people
Mar 02 16:02:02 <Whyvas> how do you change the terminal font size?
Mar 02 16:02:14 <Whyvas> gpe
Mar 02 16:33:00 <rinkinflinkis> Whyvas: vim ~/.Xdefaults
Mar 02 16:33:26 <rinkinflinkis> Rxvt*font is what you are looking for
Mar 02 17:19:19 <Whyvas> is the angstrom opie rootfs supposed to have iwconfig installed ?
Mar 02 17:22:59 <CoreDump> the angstrom list moderators should be shot. The bloody config doesn't even allow PGP signatures and violates countless RFCs by messing with reply-to. The angstrom lists are as annoying as they come grrr
Mar 02 17:27:52 <Whyvas> I love how quick people respond to support questions
Mar 02 17:28:36 <CoreDump> I take it you forgot your <sarcasm> tags? ;)
Mar 02 17:32:43 <Whyvas> I forget them all the time!
Mar 02 17:33:37 <CoreDump> well, this is IRC. Go watch a movie and come back later to check for answers
Mar 02 17:47:32 <rinkinflinkis> Whyvas: 4 kids, 2 dogs, 5 cats, 6 linux servers, one collie. Sorry for the delay
Mar 02 17:59:27 <Whyvas> rinkinflinkis cats?
Mar 02 17:59:30 <Whyvas> sick
Mar 02 18:00:03 <Whyvas> rinkinflinkis dmesg is saying it can't load hostap_crypt_wep.o
Mar 02 18:00:10 <Whyvas> can't modprobe it
Mar 02 18:00:30 <Whyvas> is it part of the host package?
Mar 02 18:00:33 <Whyvas> hostap
Mar 02 18:00:40 <Whyvas> andieh
Mar 02 18:00:42 <Whyvas> ArjanS_
Mar 02 18:03:42 <Whyvas> andieh ArjanS_ broonie cdbot2 cofeineSunshine CoreDump cp Crofton Dar_LAB dijenerate dhr Furre Herka_Wader HRH_H_Crab hrw|gone huaynac hum_bot johncylee johnx kristian-m ljp lrg lumag|gone mickey|zzZZzz mr_nice NAbyss_ noosphere nslu2-log Passeli poli polyonymous punkass Reach rinkinflinkis RP rwhitby Sketch Stilgar summatusmentis The_Niz toi univac Varoudis_ webmind xjqian xjqian XorA|gone xota yansa zap chrisromain
Mar 02 18:03:55 <Whyvas> :)
Mar 02 18:04:05 <CoreDump> would you please stop that? It isn't helping
Mar 02 18:04:52 <Whyvas> can you help?
Mar 02 18:05:04 <Whyvas> I've been trying to get help for the last 3 days
Mar 02 18:05:38 <CoreDump> it is a Sunday afternoon. Most Europeans are offline.
Mar 02 18:11:59 <Whyvas> do you know what package has hostap_crypt_wep.o in it?
Mar 02 18:13:17 <CoreDump> kernel-module-ieee80211-crypt-wep I guess
Mar 02 18:18:28 <dhr> coredump: why did eabi break firefox?
Mar 02 18:19:00 <CoreDump> dhr: no idea. I heard that from someone who should know tho ;)
Mar 02 18:19:40 <CoreDump> also said someone told me that debugging is impossible without a _really_ bad-ass ARM box =)
Mar 02 18:21:18 <dhr> debugging firefox?  I've only tried to do that for brief periods before turning back to something sane.  On my Linux desktop, firefox crashes once in a while.  The bug report has been active (multiple subscribers) for a couple of years!
Mar 02 18:21:57 <CoreDump> hehe
Mar 02 18:22:46 <dhr> eabi ought to be a choice that has no effect on source code, only makefiles.  Compiler and linker flags.
Mar 02 18:24:37 <CoreDump> lets just hope that FF3 is not affected
Mar 02 18:26:19 <Whyvas> CoreDump not that one.... any other ideas?
Mar 02 18:27:02 <CoreDump> Whyvas: modprobe the module in the package I mentioned and see what happens
Mar 02 18:35:29 <Whyvas> not found
Mar 02 18:35:44 <Whyvas> hostap_crypt_wep
Mar 02 18:35:44 <CoreDump> ......
Mar 02 18:36:08 <CoreDump> that is not the module I mentioned
Mar 02 18:36:31 <CoreDump> you want depmod -a &&  modprobe ieee80211-crypt-wep
Mar 02 18:41:44 <Whyvas> ugh
Mar 02 18:41:46 <Whyvas> noooo
Mar 02 18:41:51 <Whyvas> CoreDump|bbl !!
Mar 02 18:42:05 <Whyvas> could not allocate crypto API arc4
Mar 02 18:43:33 <CoreDump|bbl> you are obviously for some reason missing many WLAN related modules. Try installing and modprobing kernel-module-arc4 (modprobe arc4)
Mar 02 18:43:44 <CoreDump|bbl> now I need to get something to eat
Mar 02 18:45:10 <Whyvas> i did that already
Mar 02 18:45:14 <Whyvas> same crap....
Mar 02 18:45:22 <Whyvas> should these be installed by default?
Mar 02 18:45:37 <Whyvas> maybe I will try to reinstall the whole distrib.
Mar 02 18:46:28 <Whyvas> ugh
Mar 02 18:46:31 <Whyvas> SKETCHY
Mar 02 20:32:05 <marlon__> hey guys
Mar 02 20:32:22 <marlon__> any progress on that 2.6.24 kernel for poodle? :D\
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