**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 03 10:59:56 2008
Mar 03 15:52:20 <summatusmentis> Crofton: I came up w/ a few ideas for GSoC, where should I submit them
Mar 03 15:52:21 <summatusmentis> ?
Mar 03 15:52:49 <Crofton> for Angstrom or OE/
Mar 03 15:52:57 <summatusmentis> Angstrom
Mar 03 15:52:58 <Crofton> well, where would they "fit" the best?
Mar 03 15:53:08 <Crofton> angstrom-dev list would be best
Mar 03 15:53:11 <summatusmentis> I din't know enough about OE to suggest fixing things
Mar 03 15:53:46 <summatusmentis> ok, I'll get that sent of later, when's the app being submitted?
Mar 03 15:53:52 <summatusmentis> s/of/off/
Mar 03 15:54:23 <Crofton> well, lets see the ideas
Mar 03 15:54:33 <Crofton> and I'll talk to some people about submitting them
Mar 03 15:54:54 <summatusmentis> alright, I'll send that out around noon my time(10 right now)
Mar 03 17:13:45 <mickeyl> yo
Mar 03 17:14:10 <summatusmentis> hi mickeyl
Mar 03 17:18:58 <HRH_H_Crab> evening dudes
Mar 03 17:20:45 <summatusmentis> hey there HRH_H_Crab
Mar 03 17:24:36 <mickeyl> hiho
Mar 03 21:09:00 <coax> hey, can someone help me resolve a dependency problem? i keep getting this error: "ERROR: '['/home/coax/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.14.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'gtk+-directfb' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables of any buildable targets." every time i try to bitbake an image.
Mar 03 21:10:08 <coax> i have looked at the gtk+-directfb_2.10.14.bb but it does'nt give me a clue!
Mar 03 21:14:39 <cyrilRomain> coax: gtk+-directfb_2.10.14.bb has DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1", so you can ignore the error message... unless it prevents bitbake to continue and build the image
Mar 03 21:16:05 <coax> cyrilRomain: it does.
Mar 03 21:19:05 <coax> no wait, its properly another error!
Mar 03 21:20:52 <coax> this error is properly the real reason: "ERROR: '['/home/coax/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.14.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'gtk+-directfb' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables of any buildable targets."
Mar 03 21:21:32 <coax> ups! this one: "ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide bluez-utils-dbus (/home/coax/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/bluez/bluez-utils_3.24.bb /home/coax/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/bluez/bluez-cups-backend_3.24.bb)."
Mar 03 21:24:01 <cyrilRomain> coax: for the first error (gtk+-directfb) you can add gtk+-directfb to the BBMASK variable until someone fix it
Mar 03 21:31:33 <coax> thanks, but it must be the second error thats the problem! its still failing.
Mar 03 21:32:20 <coax> but i guess ill just mask out one of the packages that provides 'bluez-utils-dbus'
Mar 03 21:36:14 <cyrilRomain> coax: yes you can do that for the moment, e.g. masking bluez-cups-backend
Mar 03 21:37:10 <cyrilRomain> both bluez-utils_3.24.bb and bluez-cups-backend_3.24.bb includes the bluez-utils3.inc files, which provides bluez-utils-dbus
Mar 03 21:37:47 <cyrilRomain> the question is why both recipe are picked and not just one
Mar 03 21:39:23 <coax> yes, thats a good question! but i'm not gonna need cups any ways.
Mar 03 23:20:12 <phynix> anyone willing to answer a quick quesiton
Mar 03 23:20:34 <johnx> sure
Mar 03 23:21:20 <phynix> ok so i used the the liveramdisc on a h2200
Mar 03 23:21:26 <phynix> and turned it off
Mar 03 23:21:38 <phynix> now both the battery status light and the bluetooth light stay on
Mar 03 23:21:44 <phynix> and won't turn on 
Mar 03 23:22:30 <johnx> I'm sorry, but I don't know much about the ipaqs
Mar 03 23:22:41 <phynix> don't worry about it
Mar 03 23:22:49 <johnx> is there a hardware reset button you can try? maybe pull the battery for a couple minutes?
Mar 03 23:23:01 <phynix> i tried that but i will give it another try
Mar 03 23:26:43 <phynix> ok well the lights went off an now this interesting negative scren came up
Mar 03 23:28:06 <johnx> as soon as RAM loses power, it should work normally, right?
Mar 03 23:28:17 <johnx> does it have a backup battery that needs to be discharged first?
Mar 03 23:28:38 <phynix> well it brought up the windows ce screen but its a negative and the touch doesn't work 
Mar 03 23:31:36 <phynix> ill try to look for a backup battery
Mar 03 23:32:20 <johnx> and you already tried the "hard reset" or whatever wince devices have?
Mar 03 23:33:22 <phynix> yes i did
Mar 03 23:34:20 <phynix> the screen is black and orange and has lines accros it
Mar 03 23:48:19 <phynix> ok well i am off thanks johnx for your help
Mar 03 23:48:27 <johnx> sure
Mar 03 23:48:29 <johnx> good luck
Mar 03 23:48:31 <phynix> thanks
Mar 04 01:54:15 <swc666> has anyone else ran into a problem getting ipkg to install packages from the repo? I'm using 2.6.21/gpe/x11 on a universal
Mar 04 03:53:07 <phynix> hey johnx it works now thanks for the battery tip wasn't taking it out long enough
Mar 04 03:53:25 <johnx> good to hear
Mar 04 03:53:42 <phynix> now the only thing now is it only charges when its on
Mar 04 03:54:03 <johnx> hmm...no more ideas from me :/
Mar 04 03:54:24 <phynix> don't worry about it haha
Mar 04 03:54:39 <phynix> so is this channel the best place to ask these kind of questions
Mar 04 03:55:07 <johnx> for angstrom specific stuff? yes, I suppose
Mar 04 03:55:11 <johnx> you might try the mailing list as well
Mar 04 03:55:27 <phynix> ok was just wondering if there was a more novice channel
Mar 04 03:55:34 <phynix> cause i see the developer headline
Mar 04 03:55:56 <johnx> ah, don't worry about that...most of the real heavy dev stuff seems to be on #oe
Mar 04 03:58:37 <phynix> ok good i just didn't want to be annoying
Mar 04 03:59:05 <johnx> nope, not at all. and since there are logs this might even help someone else
Mar 04 04:03:30 <phynix> sweet
Mar 04 04:03:43 <phynix> so wait if you dont' use an ipaq....what do you use instead
Mar 04 04:03:54 <johnx> zaurii and I have an N800
Mar 04 04:04:32 <johnx> I got a zaurus SL-5500 and it just got out of control from there O_o
Mar 04 04:06:27 <phynix> haha know the feeling
Mar 04 04:06:33 <phynix> do you like the n800
Mar 04 04:06:38 <phynix> seriously want to get one of those
Mar 04 04:07:16 <johnx> it's nice...and there's lots of nice usable software without too much hacking required
Mar 04 04:07:47 <johnx> things to realize are that Nokia doesn't make everything they do open source so it's not quite as hackable as it may first appear
Mar 04 04:07:56 <johnx> I'm having a heck of a time getting Debian onto it
Mar 04 04:08:45 <phynix> is it easy to compile stuff for it like pim software and mplayer
Mar 04 04:09:05 <johnx> relatively easy
Mar 04 04:09:14 <johnx> and mplayer is already compiled
Mar 04 04:09:22 <phynix> so why debia
Mar 04 04:09:23 <phynix> n
Mar 04 04:09:52 <johnx> to have access to all the Debian packages
Mar 04 04:10:06 <johnx> it's not too painful to compile stuff, but it can be non-trivial
Mar 04 04:10:42 <johnx> software versions on it aren't always up to date, and it definitely has some quirks and some odd ways of doing things
Mar 04 04:11:21 <phynix> oh wow all those debs would be nice to have
Mar 04 04:11:24 <phynix> how hard is it to do
Mar 04 04:11:49 <johnx> to take a debian .deb and get it on the n800? or to get full debian on the N800?
Mar 04 04:11:56 <phynix> the latter
Mar 04 04:12:21 <phynix> cause i saw the embedded debian page and i wondered if that would work
Mar 04 04:12:26 <johnx> well, I have most of it working, except for all the powersaving stuff and sound
Mar 04 04:12:41 <phynix> are you pretty much on your own
Mar 04 04:12:44 <johnx> I'm not bothering with the emdebian stuff. It's just debian armel
Mar 04 04:12:55 <johnx> not entirely...but there aren't many at this stage
Mar 04 04:13:03 <johnx> most would rather stick with Nokia's stuff for now
Mar 04 04:13:16 <johnx> by going to Debian you lose a lot of the nice "just works" part
Mar 04 04:14:05 <johnx> or rather "I'm just using debian armel"
Mar 04 04:14:17 <phynix> thats always nice but that you can't do all the fun stuff
Mar 04 04:14:34 <phynix> i guess one could then argue linux wouldn't exists
Mar 04 04:15:06 <johnx> I'd really like the best of both worlds, to keep source level compatibility with stuff made for Nokia's distro, while running Debian
Mar 04 04:15:18 <johnx> but Nokia's closed source stuff makes that difficult
Mar 04 04:16:11 <phynix> why wouldn't they want that
Mar 04 04:17:00 <johnx> from what I gather it actually comes down to them not releasing source for some things, just because they'd have to get the lawyers to clear it, and they can't make the business case to do that
Mar 04 04:17:22 <johnx> it's very frustrating...
Mar 04 04:17:26 <phynix> i would imagine so
Mar 04 04:17:57 <phynix> well i had been chasing my tail trying to get rid of windows ce off this h2200
Mar 04 04:18:05 <phynix> so i could get some fuctionality 
Mar 04 04:22:21 <phynix> oh update it was charging but the light wasn't blinking 
Mar 04 04:22:22 <phynix> go figure
Mar 04 04:22:27 <johnx> heh
Mar 04 04:22:50 <phynix> flash install is next
Mar 04 04:22:56 <johnx> I thought I screwed up the LCD controller on my N800 but it was just a side effect from a custom kernel...I was very scared for a while
Mar 04 04:26:58 <phynix> wait how did you fix it
Mar 04 04:27:10 <johnx> just flashed back to a different kernel
Mar 04 04:27:19 <phynix> that would scare me to
Mar 04 04:27:29 <phynix> kinda like resetting and then the screen being negative
Mar 04 04:27:58 <johnx> yeah, I didn't associate the two at all...it worked for a month and the problem only showed up when playing video
Mar 04 04:28:36 <phynix> sounds like compiz
Mar 04 04:28:40 <phynix> but i will keep that in mind
Mar 04 04:28:43 <phynix> in case that happens to me
Mar 04 04:32:29 <phynix> didn't it just go crazy when you tried to play the video
Mar 04 04:32:34 <phynix> did*
Mar 04 04:33:15 <johnx> nope, it displayed the video in the wrong colors at half size, but only hardware accelerated video scaling
Mar 04 04:34:20 <phynix> i am that would scare me to death
Mar 04 04:34:37 <johnx> scared the crap out of me too :D
Mar 04 04:35:10 <phynix> wow scary moment
Mar 04 04:35:17 <phynix> do you use debian as your desktop os
Mar 04 04:35:20 <johnx> but I managed to not panic, so now I know why they don't enable it by default...heh
Mar 04 04:35:32 <phynix> good point
Mar 04 04:35:43 <phynix> do you use debian as your desktop os
Mar 04 04:35:52 <johnx> ubuntu actually
Mar 04 04:35:59 <johnx> close enough though
Mar 04 04:36:14 <johnx> I just like apt-get and dpkg
Mar 04 04:36:23 <phynix> i agree with you
Mar 04 04:36:27 <phynix> apt-get is great
Mar 04 04:37:35 <phynix> what do you think about gutsy
Mar 04 04:38:13 <johnx> it's fine...I'm having a weird problem with my usb devices...but it happens with a vanilla kernel too
Mar 04 04:38:45 <johnx> I'm looking forward to Hardy for the new gnomevfs/gvfs stuff
Mar 04 04:39:22 <phynix> haven't read about that
Mar 04 04:39:28 <phynix> and most of it would probably go over my head
Mar 04 04:39:56 <johnx> gnomevfs will work better :)
Mar 04 04:40:01 <johnx> that's all you need to know
Mar 04 04:40:11 <phynix> haha thanks for the easy version
Mar 04 04:40:17 <phynix> saves a lot of head scratching
Mar 04 04:42:27 <phynix> i am excited about any change to the colors
Mar 04 04:42:40 <phynix> brown and grey are kinda old now
Mar 04 04:43:37 <johnx> are they changing them?
Mar 04 04:43:44 <johnx> what to?
Mar 04 04:44:14 <phynix> well they were supposed to do that for hardy but it fell through. There are some concepts. I can find a link if you want
Mar 04 04:44:37 <johnx> that's ok, I can dig it up
Mar 04 04:44:44 * johnx should really get some lunch
Mar 04 04:45:01 <phynix> its 10 though
Mar 04 04:45:24 <phynix> oh right time difference
Mar 04 04:45:28 <johnx> nah, it's lunch time :D
Mar 04 04:45:52 <phynix> hahaha
Mar 04 04:45:58 <phynix> lunch is the best meal
Mar 04 09:01:02 <HRH_H_Crab> who runs nslu2-log?
Mar 04 09:10:34 <CoreDump> HRH_H_Crab: that would probably be rwhitby` 
Mar 04 09:10:51 <HRH_H_Crab> is he the slug guru?
Mar 04 09:10:58 <CoreDump> pretty much
Mar 04 09:11:08 <HRH_H_Crab> ive just acquired one from a colleague who has never found the time to do much with it.
Mar 04 09:11:17 <HRH_H_Crab> going to try and get angstrom on it tonight! 
Mar 04 09:11:25 <HRH_H_Crab> seems pretty straightforward.
Mar 04 09:11:38 <CoreDump> mine are still running slugos ;)
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