**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 04 02:59:56 2008 Apr 04 08:51:57 Anyone awake here? was long ago I tried installing ångström on my akita, but what files is it I need for the installer? Apr 04 08:52:31 installkit.tgz Apr 04 08:53:32 ah, all files are included? =) Apr 04 08:54:10 yup, just unpack and you have a zImage an initrd.bin and updater.sh all named the right thing Apr 04 08:55:24 I should also note that angstrom is working rather nicely here on my akita and if you want a web browser for it you should give midori a shot :) Apr 04 08:57:36 alright, thanks! have they.. aww I hate having a terrile memory, but is something with link- working now? to be able to install applicantions to the SD card? Apr 04 08:57:59 that was the biggest problem for me half a year ago with ångström :x Apr 04 08:58:49 ipkg-link ? Apr 04 08:59:12 I think it works, but I much prefer just having altboot and installing a whole filesystem on SD Apr 04 09:01:11 oh, altboot is working now too? Apr 04 09:01:17 * Furre is waaay behind it seem o.o Apr 04 09:01:20 yeah, works great Apr 04 09:01:24 johnx: would you mind giving me a quick overview of how that works? Apr 04 09:01:33 altboot? Apr 04 09:01:37 is altboot and having everything on the SD difficult to setup? Apr 04 09:01:38 i have read stuff, and ive seen altboot before, Apr 04 09:01:52 sure, get the altboot console image, then unpack a rootfs.tar.gz onto your ext2/3 formatted sd card Apr 04 09:01:57 but where you use it to other filesystems / images from cf/sd Apr 04 09:02:26 and then just choose the appropriate option from altboot menu? Apr 04 09:02:45 does it boot the kernel from there? from within /boot on the card? Apr 04 09:02:49 nope Apr 04 09:03:00 kernel lives in flash. altboot is just a fake init Apr 04 09:03:04 o.k. Apr 04 09:03:16 hmmm. Apr 04 09:03:23 how does that cope with modules and stuff? Apr 04 09:03:28 my favorite part is that if (when?) I screw things up I can boot to console mode from flash and un-break my sd rootfs Apr 04 09:03:38 /lib/modules lives on the sd card Apr 04 09:04:13 johnx, is it altboot-console-image-akita.jffs2 I need? Apr 04 09:04:35 altboot-console-whatever-installkit.tgz Apr 04 09:05:11 aaaah... Apr 04 09:05:27 so you just upgrade the kernel on the installkit to match the versions you use on your sd cards? Apr 04 09:05:37 s/installkit/console image Apr 04 09:06:22 oh crap, reciving like houndeds of errors when trying to extract the altboot .tar.gz file o_o Apr 04 09:06:42 "Symbolic link points to missing file" Apr 04 09:06:55 wait, the installkit.tgz? Apr 04 09:07:19 altboot-console-image-akita.tar.gz <- that one Apr 04 09:08:13 you need the one that has installkit in the name Apr 04 09:09:38 oh, like: "Angstrom-altboot-console-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r14-akita.rootfs.tar.gz" Apr 04 09:11:09 installkit Apr 04 09:11:17 it will have the word installkit in the filename Apr 04 09:11:51 ack, I see it, just accedently copied the name of the next file ^^ sorry Apr 04 09:12:02 ok...I was beginning to wonder :P Apr 04 09:12:46 hmm, what kind of a file is that btw? shows as no ending of it at all :) Apr 04 09:13:20 the installkit.tgz is a gzipped tar-file Apr 04 09:13:37 yes, but when extracted, or I shouldnt have extracted its content? Apr 04 09:13:59 you extract it and flash the stuff that's in it, the zImage, initrd.bin and updater.sh Apr 04 09:14:35 heh o_o, maybe something is broken with winrar, I only get this out of the file: "Angstrom-altboot-console-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r14-akita-installkit" Apr 04 09:15:08 it probably unzipped the gzip part and left you with a tar file Apr 04 09:16:13 indeed it did, thank you :) Apr 04 09:16:23 apart from not naming it a .tar ^^ Apr 04 09:17:03 the altboot, is that just for the altboot, so I still need to download the ångström image to the SD card? Apr 04 09:17:27 exactly, this will install a console image on the internal flash with altboot installed and setup Apr 04 09:17:57 so flash that and boot it once to make sure it works, then download foo-rootfs.tar.gz Apr 04 09:18:16 where should I download that to, the SD card? Apr 04 09:18:43 well you'll need to unpack the contents to the sd card. I take it from winrar that you have windows on your desktop? :) Apr 04 09:20:02 unfortunately yes ;x, and alright, I think I have the thing to read ext2 in windows, just my cardreader broke about half a year ago, but I think I can work around it, let me check ^^ Apr 04 09:20:36 which rootfs is it, the one that goes along with the altboot? Apr 04 09:20:37 or you can just do it on the zaurus Apr 04 09:20:50 oh, can download it from the Z with just altboot installed? Apr 04 09:21:00 oh wait I cant :/, no wireless :/ Apr 04 09:21:26 no way to get files from your PC to the zaurus? Apr 04 09:21:58 well yes, got a CF card Apr 04 09:22:06 but its FAT formatted Apr 04 09:22:40 going to check if I can use the ext2 card inmy camera, and then connect it to the computer Apr 04 09:23:08 you can copy the rootfs.tar.gz as a whole file to the cf card, put that in the z and use the z to unpack it onto the sd card Apr 04 09:25:04 ...once I find the right rootfs.tar.gz that is... Apr 04 09:25:06 is it the rootfs.tar.gz from the same altboot I need? Apr 04 09:25:14 hehe Apr 04 09:25:30 Angstrom-altboot-console-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r14-akita.rootfs.tar.gz <- that one? Apr 04 09:26:52 actually, on the SD card you'll install a "normal" rootfs Apr 04 09:27:28 oh, could it be this one then?: "Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080107-akita.rootfs.tar.gz" Apr 04 09:27:41 yeah, that sounds good Apr 04 09:28:05 just make sure the *date* matches the allboot image you downloaded Apr 04 09:28:10 alright, let me check Apr 04 09:28:30 actually, just grab r14 for both of them Apr 04 09:28:38 that makes it easier to match things up Apr 04 09:29:13 alright :) Apr 04 09:30:11 I didn't know you were grabbing stuff from the autobuild area :) I really wish they hadn't pulled all the individual rootfs files out of the "normal" stable area Apr 04 09:30:42 ok, got altboot extracted to the CF card now, and the rootf.tar.gz copied to the CF card, that should be the correct way right? :) Apr 04 09:30:52 oh ^^, sorry Apr 04 09:31:04 no problem. I figured it out eventually Apr 04 09:31:06 but those files will work aswell right? from autobuild that is Apr 04 09:31:14 yeah, they should be fine Apr 04 09:31:25 and yes, I think you have things right Apr 04 09:31:47 sad part thought is that I dont even remember the keycombination to hold to get the Z to go into installmode :x Apr 04 09:31:56 just to check...you don't have anything weird done to your akita right? no u-boot installed? no weird partitions on the internal flash? Apr 04 09:32:16 oh, I have no idea at all, was long ago since I used the akita :/ Apr 04 09:32:25 I .. think it have pdaxrom11 installed Apr 04 09:33:19 I remember using uboot, but I cant remmeber if I reset it or not after that :/ Apr 04 09:34:02 uhm...if you're not sure hold off for a sec then Apr 04 09:34:21 I don't remember if there is any issue between angstrom and u-boot... Apr 04 09:34:27 anyone else know or care to comment? Apr 04 09:34:37 * Furre think most people are sleeping :x Apr 04 09:34:49 but, I can maybe use uboot to reset it? Apr 04 09:35:06 * johnx knows *nothing at all* about u-boot except that it's a boot loader :) Apr 04 09:35:23 ah ^^ Apr 04 09:35:33 well I rember that one could change the size of things in it Apr 04 09:35:47 making partions larger, not sure how it works thought Apr 04 09:36:10 if u-boot has a "put things back to the way they normally are" mode I think that would be a good idea Apr 04 09:36:30 well, it does not, but I think one can reset it to original values :) Apr 04 09:36:36 just trying to figure where to find uboot ^^ Apr 04 09:37:05 if you don't have u-boot installed then everything should be fine, as long as you didn't use it to change partition sizes Apr 04 09:37:48 I did use it to change the sizes, needed to do so to install pdaxrom if Im not mistaken Apr 04 09:38:02 but I found uboot ont he computer, going to copy it tot he SD card and launch it to see whats on it Apr 04 09:39:41 how did I do to have the zaurus go into installmode? what keys I mean, forgot @.@ Apr 04 09:40:06 hold "OK" while turning it on Apr 04 09:40:22 that's for the normal flash at least Apr 04 09:40:24 oh o_o, thought it was another button xD, oh no wait that was for making backups? Apr 04 09:40:35 the other keycombinations I mean Apr 04 09:40:55 there are many key combos that do different things Apr 04 09:41:44 true, ment for that debug menu or what its called ^^, well, im installing uboot on it now to hopefully be able to reset sizes on things Apr 04 09:44:02 aw crap.. howto fix this thing again.. Apr 04 09:44:20 remember this uboot problem, chargcing is disabled and nothing appears to be working Apr 04 09:44:26 just need to remember howto fix it Apr 04 09:46:49 is it D+M ? Apr 04 09:46:57 that sounds right Apr 04 09:47:45 still not responding *keeps testing things* Apr 04 09:48:35 got it :) Apr 04 09:49:09 oh wait, if I install a CF backup, do the memorysizes and such go back to original? Apr 04 09:49:22 like a full on internal flash backup? Apr 04 09:49:24 cause I think I got the defult Zaurus rom on CF backup Apr 04 09:49:28 I think I have that yes Apr 04 09:49:43 I'm pretty sure that will work, yes Apr 04 09:50:26 SL-C1000-JPN-NAND-original <- i think thats the one atleast Apr 04 09:52:37 Restoring... Apr 04 09:52:41 seems to be working so far Apr 04 09:55:15 booting again now :) Apr 04 09:57:40 wopps, forgot a thing, need to do the restoring again, should be done in about 4minutes :) Apr 04 09:58:04 ok Apr 04 09:58:26 going to run to the store and buy lunch, should be back at the same time its done :) *runs* Apr 04 10:06:08 back Apr 04 10:06:55 still here :) Apr 04 10:07:08 got all files on the CF card now, is it just to do the OK+pwr thing? Apr 04 10:07:13 yup Apr 04 10:08:11 alright, its loading :) Apr 04 10:09:30 its asking me for a password now Apr 04 10:09:37 should I just type in something? Apr 04 10:10:09 oh.. new password *still tired* Apr 04 10:10:29 ok, now its asking for Normal boot, SD card, CF card, or Advanced Apr 04 10:11:16 so boot normal to start with Apr 04 10:11:36 give it a chance to get setup and make sure it works and everything :) Apr 04 10:11:56 alright :), loading now Apr 04 10:13:47 ok, Im at the console now Apr 04 10:14:06 logged in as root? Apr 04 10:14:22 yes, I just wrote root, and it didnt ask for a password so I think im in Apr 04 10:14:44 cd /media/card Apr 04 10:14:45 tar zxvf /media/cf/*rootfs*tgz Apr 04 10:14:59 s/tgz/tar.gz/g Apr 04 10:15:24 ok, a minute :) Apr 04 10:15:54 that should have read "tar zxvf /media/cf/*rootfs*tar.gz Apr 04 10:15:59 " Apr 04 10:16:44 hmm, it gives me "No such file or directory" Apr 04 10:16:52 ls /media/cf Apr 04 10:16:55 tar zxvf /media/cf/*rootfs*tar.gz <- that comand Apr 04 10:16:55 ok Apr 04 10:17:15 that shows the files on the CF card atleast Apr 04 10:17:16 do you see the rootfs you dropped onto your cf card? Apr 04 10:17:25 just type: Apr 04 10:17:37 tar zxvf /media/cf/whatever-its-called-rootfs.tar.gz Apr 04 10:17:41 going to check for spelling, maybe I did something wrong ^^ Apr 04 10:17:45 okk :) Apr 04 10:17:57 I was trying to be clever earlier, but I guess it didn't work out :/ Apr 04 10:18:12 not your fault :) Apr 04 10:18:15 awr, I might have missspelled something, but let me write the whole thing, maybe itll work Apr 04 10:19:11 ah...I forgot the other step anyways O_o Apr 04 10:19:22 your sd card isn't formatted ext2 yet, is it? Apr 04 10:19:45 yes it is :), I formatted it before using pdaxrom ^^ figured itd be easier that way :) Apr 04 10:20:03 its working now the *rootfs*tar.gz, was my fault ^^, spelled it wrong before Apr 04 10:20:07 its doing alot of unpacking now Apr 04 10:20:43 it might complain that it can't set the access time on some files or something like that depending on the mount options, but it's not a problem Apr 04 10:21:14 alright, so far theres no problem atleast :), keeps unpacking things Apr 04 10:22:20 by the way, the fastest the akita can be clocked is about 600mhz right? Apr 04 10:22:39 or have that been improved aswell? Apr 04 10:22:51 (tried to run gps software before, way slow even at 600mhz ^^) Apr 04 10:22:56 I think someone said 624MHz but I don't muck about with overclocking Apr 04 10:23:13 hehe alright :), just curious ^^ Apr 04 10:23:26 hmm, unpacking is going to take some time :) Apr 04 10:23:32 yeah :) Apr 04 10:23:46 hit fn+rightarrow Apr 04 10:24:01 what does that do? Apr 04 10:24:09 does it give you a new login prompt Apr 04 10:24:10 ? Apr 04 10:24:19 ah, nope, still unpacking Apr 04 10:24:29 ah nevermind Apr 04 10:24:44 you can mount your sd card async so that this goes faster...but it's a little late now, so just wait it out :) Apr 04 10:25:20 oh, didnt know that ^^, but yeah, would be bad ot have to redo all its already unpacked ^^ Apr 04 10:25:42 exactly. so don't worry about it. forget I said anything :D Apr 04 10:25:45 by the way, do Zaurus handle SDHC cards, or what they are called ^^ Apr 04 10:25:56 I believe the angstrom kernels do Apr 04 10:25:56 +2gb SD cards I mean : Apr 04 10:26:12 ah okk :), thinking of buying more meomry, only got 512MB righ tnow Apr 04 10:26:15 there are different reports on oesf.org and probably the angstrom mailing lists about which cards work well, etc Apr 04 10:26:26 alright, thanks :) Apr 04 10:35:08 phu, thoguht the Z died, was only the screen that went to sleep :x Apr 04 10:37:12 should I run this command when unpacking is done?: "s/tgz/tar.gz/g" Apr 04 10:37:21 its not yet just so I know what to do ^^ Apr 04 10:37:29 ah, nope Apr 04 10:37:39 that was me trying to get a bot to correct my typo :D Apr 04 10:37:46 oh ^^ hehe Apr 04 10:38:08 after this just type reboot and at the altboot prompt, boot from sd :D Apr 04 10:38:47 alright! will see if it works :), still unpacking thought, its wierd, on the computer it took about 5 seconds, on Z its over 20minutes ^^ Apr 04 10:39:23 yeah, lower transfer rates, lower CPU power for decompressing the file, slower RAM Apr 04 10:43:43 done! woo Apr 04 10:44:05 btw, does the install have a gui? Apr 04 10:44:24 the thing you just unpacked? yeah, it comes up into X11 with GPE/matchbox Apr 04 10:45:19 everything should be easily done from the GUI but you might want to install packages from the command line...I haven't tested the GUI package manager lately Apr 04 10:45:53 alright ^^ eep, didnt get the chance to press a key in the SD boot Apr 04 10:45:55 got to be quick ^^ Apr 04 10:46:04 ok thanks :) Apr 04 10:46:18 I remember half a year ago it was a bit difficult with the packageinstalling from the gui atleast, didnt work :) Apr 04 10:48:35 "Do you want me to move /home inside the loop-image?" Apr 04 10:48:40 no idea what that mean ^^ Apr 04 10:50:22 hello there Apr 04 10:50:22 basically, do you want home on the sd card or on the internal flash? Apr 04 10:50:28 scops, hi Apr 04 10:50:41 oh, hmm.. what is it that is beeing installed in the home directory? Apr 04 10:51:11 nothing it's just asking if you want the user's home directory to be "inside the loop image" aka on the sd card, or not Apr 04 10:51:19 do someone know how to build a bootimage with the lastest autobuild kernel for netbook pro? (or maybe an way to contact somebody that know it?) Apr 04 10:51:57 johnx, ooh, well, I guess I want it on the internal flash, can it be read from the Normal boot (without SD) then? Apr 04 10:52:06 want files to be as safe as possible :x Apr 04 10:52:08 yup Apr 04 10:52:15 that's what I did too Apr 04 10:52:31 so say "n" to that question Apr 04 10:52:43 ok : Apr 04 10:52:58 "Do you want to keep the SD, CF and /home ipkg install targets? Apr 04 10:53:24 you probably don't Apr 04 10:53:34 I dont want to keep those? Apr 04 10:53:43 there should be enough space on your SD card for anything you want to install Apr 04 10:53:49 alright :) Apr 04 10:53:56 how big is your SD card? Apr 04 10:54:01 512MB Apr 04 10:54:28 and well, got 512MB CF to use for music on i guess ^^ Apr 04 10:54:46 well its booting now atleast :) Apr 04 10:55:17 w00! Apr 04 10:57:51 so you don't have a wireless card? Apr 04 10:59:22 I do, but I dont have a wireless router, and the USB-accesspoint I had mysteriously stopped working a while ago :/ Apr 04 10:59:29 guess Im going to get a new one ^^ Apr 04 11:00:53 I think I installed things from the CF card before thought Apr 04 11:01:27 it's a pain though :/ Apr 04 11:01:35 tracking down dependencies and stuff Apr 04 11:02:45 hi Apr 04 11:03:00 yeah, was a bit difficult if I remember :x, such a pity, no one that lives near got a wireless router either so I cant borrow that to download packages :x Apr 04 11:03:01 hello Apr 04 11:03:47 hi dcordes Apr 04 11:05:02 Hmm, is it possible to setup the USB-link? or that only work with linux? Apr 04 11:05:44 if it works it should work with either OS, but it might be flakey at a kernel level right now, I haven't tried it recently Apr 04 11:06:11 ah ok, I remember trying it half a year ago but never got it working, oh well :) Apr 04 11:06:23 going to see if I can get a new accesspoint usb-thingy Apr 04 11:07:20 why not just spend $40 and get a real access point? Apr 04 11:08:36 good point ^^ Apr 04 11:09:58 not going for D-link atleast :x Apr 04 11:10:50 I've been nothing but happy with the Linksys WRTs that run Linux (though the ones that don't run Linux aren't as stable). I'm sure there are other good routers out there though Apr 04 11:14:14 I heard netgears and linksys are good, but will see what I can find, probably have to order online, only sell D-link things in the local store :/ Apr 04 11:19:36 thanks so much for all the help johnx, guess I cant do anything more for now without wireless : Apr 04 11:19:37 :) Apr 04 11:20:55 sure, no problem Apr 04 11:20:58 good luck :D Apr 04 11:25:21 thanks! will need it ;) Apr 04 11:46:29 hi! Apr 04 12:03:19 hey lumag have you found that minmo is really slow? Apr 04 12:03:51 darmou: I don't work on minimo. Apr 04 12:04:25 lumag, it's a web browser, which browser do you use? Apr 04 12:05:10 darmou, I know. none. I don't use my tosa for web surfing. Last time I looked for a browser, I used links2 Apr 04 12:05:43 what do you use it for then? Apr 04 12:06:39 midori is awesome :D Apr 04 13:55:15 hi all Apr 04 15:45:13 bye! Apr 04 16:21:49 Have some trouble connecing my Z to the internet. Ive configed my wifi to be without any WEP key to make things easier, and I put the right SSID, and channel. The CF-Wifi card get connected as it show a green light, but.. when I look at "ifconfig wlan0", I cannot see that it has been given any IP Apr 04 16:21:57 Anyone know what I might be doing wrong? Apr 04 16:34:04 oh, maybe got it now, unchecked the ethernet thing on USB Apr 04 16:40:39 I installed midori using "ipkg install midori", but is there a way to make a shotcut on the desktop to it, or will I need to launch it from console all the time? Apr 04 17:14:16 also, whats the command to give power to the USB port? do anyone know? Apr 04 17:16:37 you need to modprobe ohci-hcd Apr 04 17:17:02 that the command I was looking for, thanks! forgot it ^^ Apr 04 17:17:23 thanks Apr 04 17:17:24 eep! Apr 04 17:17:29 now my CF-wifi shut down o.o Apr 04 17:17:47 that's odd Apr 04 17:18:45 the PCMCIA/CF card info say its ready thought, but the LED on it wont turn on anymore, is there a way to reset the CF card status possibly? Apr 04 17:19:28 pull it out, and put it back in? Apr 04 17:20:07 hmm, now it say "not ready", and [CD] is shown below, but not VCC, now its not reciving power? Apr 04 17:20:29 seems that way Apr 04 17:20:33 I'm not really sure Apr 04 17:21:01 oh now I got it, I selected the Eject thing there, then put the card in again Apr 04 17:21:05 now it got power :) Apr 04 17:22:17 ok, now both things seem to be working, thanks :) Apr 04 17:23:25 Z still cant seem to detect the USB thought, shouldnt there be a ttyUSB0 ? Apr 04 17:25:17 or hmm, was it on ångström one needed to manually install the usb -> serial driver? Apr 04 17:26:36 under USB setting, there is an option for Serial Port, but each time I go into the setting, its always set to "Ethernet Networking" Apr 04 17:29:23 Furre: I think that's right, I think you need to get the cdc-acm kernel moduel Apr 04 17:29:26 module* Apr 04 17:30:00 oh, isnt it named somehting like, rs232 ? Apr 04 17:30:11 sorry, was very long since I last used the zaurus :/ Apr 04 17:30:23 cant remember most of it Apr 04 17:32:03 I don't know Apr 04 17:32:10 cdc-acm is for tethering Apr 04 17:32:42 got me a brand new lan device for usb for zaurus today Apr 04 17:34:20 need mcs7830.c real quick Apr 04 18:52:26 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 05 02:59:57 2008