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Apr 19 09:44:48 <DonAlex> Hey guys....
Apr 19 09:45:02 <DonAlex> anyone know about the Port of Angstrom to the NSLU2?
Apr 19 09:45:45 <DonAlex> Sounds like a very newbie question, but can it really be you flash the firmware and then be left without root access because no password is set?
Apr 19 09:46:39 <HRH_H_Crab> DonAlex: don't worry, thats not a newbie question!
Apr 19 09:46:47 <DonAlex> Cause doesn't actually mention that anywhere.. just sorta gleaned that from a mail list.
Apr 19 09:47:38 <HRH_H_Crab> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Angstrom/HomePage
Apr 19 09:47:42 <HRH_H_Crab> try that
Apr 19 09:47:55 <HRH_H_Crab> im running angstrom on my slug.
Apr 19 09:48:00 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Well I must admit I am not a newbie, not to Angstrom or the NSLU2, installed Debian fine and have compiled Angstrom for my PDA once as well.. 
Apr 19 09:48:02 <HRH_H_Crab> i went through a lot of problems getting in,
Apr 19 09:48:09 <HRH_H_Crab> but i managed to get it working eventually.
Apr 19 09:48:15 <HRH_H_Crab> there are glitches with recent images,
Apr 19 09:48:20 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Ahh good to know.. how do you find it? I mean Ang onthe Slug?
Apr 19 09:48:31 <HRH_H_Crab> but if you follow whats on that wiki, you should get a working install.
Apr 19 09:48:34 <HRH_H_Crab> well,
Apr 19 09:48:37 <HRH_H_Crab> it works!
Apr 19 09:48:42 <HRH_H_Crab> my slug doesnt do much,
Apr 19 09:48:53 <HRH_H_Crab> at the moment i just use it as a simple nas / ntp server.
Apr 19 09:49:04 <HRH_H_Crab> but its pretty stable.
Apr 19 09:49:28 <HRH_H_Crab> if i had a real use for my slug, and wasnt just mucking around for fun,
Apr 19 09:49:34 <HRH_H_Crab> id use debian prob.
Apr 19 09:49:42 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I see.. well I have run Debian like I say before on it. I was just hoping to optimise it a little and Angstrom seemed like a nice way to do that.
Apr 19 09:49:44 <HRH_H_Crab> but i like angstrom a lot from using it on my z.
Apr 19 09:49:58 <HRH_H_Crab> so i put it on the slug for fun and to learn more about oe.
Apr 19 09:50:13 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I have a HP pocket PC with it on ..:)
Apr 19 09:50:29 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Still waiting for the WIFI drives to support WPA though.. *sighs*
Apr 19 09:50:33 <HRH_H_Crab> heh
Apr 19 09:50:45 <HRH_H_Crab> i don't bother with wpa.
Apr 19 09:51:19 <HRH_H_Crab> i have a powerbook with a horrid nic that won't do wpa and a nintendo ds too (which also won't do wpa)
Apr 19 09:51:23 <HRH_H_Crab> so what i do is,
Apr 19 09:51:27 <HRH_H_Crab> i run a proxy on my access point,
Apr 19 09:51:32 <HRH_H_Crab> and use an ssh tunnel to that.
Apr 19 09:51:42 <HRH_H_Crab> then i set my browsers proxy to the ssh tunnel.
Apr 19 09:51:48 <HRH_H_Crab> still not 100% secure ofc,
Apr 19 09:51:48 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Well no I set up a WEP point instead ;) but that is not really the issue.. I just wanted to not have to modify my home and work networks.
Apr 19 09:51:52 <HRH_H_Crab> but a bit better.
Apr 19 09:52:13 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Anything that is floating through the air can never be >that< secure ;)
Apr 19 09:52:18 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
Apr 19 09:53:02 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: There are enough WPA/WPA2 cracks out there :) But still at least you have to get the script kiddies working harder :))
Apr 19 09:53:52 * kolla uses wpa/eap-tls mostly
Apr 19 09:54:32 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: So basically I need to download an older firmware image is that it? 
Apr 19 09:54:40 <HRH_H_Crab> well,
Apr 19 09:54:46 <HRH_H_Crab> you might not have to.
Apr 19 09:54:49 <HRH_H_Crab> there is another way,
Apr 19 09:55:02 <HRH_H_Crab> but its messy and it involves building your own image with oe.
Apr 19 09:55:19 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Well to be honest I am not overly thrilled to compile Angstrom from scratch again ;) It took quite a while as I recall.
Apr 19 09:55:37 <HRH_H_Crab> basically you have to mess around with the base-passwd package.
Apr 19 09:55:41 <HRH_H_Crab> what i did,
Apr 19 09:56:09 <HRH_H_Crab> was navigate to that file in the angstrom build hierarchy (i can't remember the filenames and stuff atm)
Apr 19 09:56:16 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Can't fault the build though.. went throgh smoothly enough.. Hmmm you'd think someone would have looked into that.. 
Apr 19 09:56:18 <HRH_H_Crab> in that folder, there is a folder for openslug i think
Apr 19 09:56:32 <HRH_H_Crab> and you copy the base-passwd thingy over the default one,
Apr 19 09:56:55 <HRH_H_Crab> and it sets a default password of "opeNSLUg"
Apr 19 09:57:03 <HRH_H_Crab> if you dig around in there you will figure it out.
Apr 19 09:57:10 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I mean I am not being that dense but even ubuntu has a root passwd , even if you never use it ;) Dunno why they don't have an option for a default user on a device with no screen
Apr 19 09:57:30 <HRH_H_Crab> DonAlex: because nslu2 is not a primary focus of the angstrom devs.
Apr 19 09:57:55 <HRH_H_Crab> i really love angstrom on my z, and i think its fantastic and all, and really got the most from that hardware,
Apr 19 09:58:01 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: No I saw that.. Some discussion on the mailing list about why not use the WG54 route and have telenet when no passwd is set.
Apr 19 09:58:06 <HRH_H_Crab> but the devs have limited resources.
Apr 19 09:58:24 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Ahhh but it is not just the SLUG is it? Surely it is all headless devices?
Apr 19 09:58:24 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
Apr 19 09:58:48 <HRH_H_Crab> i think thats the wrong way to fix it personally but im no dev.
Apr 19 09:58:57 <HRH_H_Crab> i think setting a default ssh password is better.
Apr 19 09:59:09 <HRH_H_Crab> there even seems to be some stuff in oe to allow that for openslug.
Apr 19 09:59:14 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Yeah me too.. Or at least a default user who is not root.
Apr 19 09:59:19 <HRH_H_Crab> yep.
Apr 19 09:59:26 <HRH_H_Crab> but like i said,
Apr 19 09:59:31 <HRH_H_Crab> nslu2 is not their main concern.
Apr 19 09:59:36 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: ;) Yeah.. I know..
Apr 19 09:59:53 <HRH_H_Crab> theres even a few things for the z that i would wish they fix before they spend more effort on that! ;)
Apr 19 10:00:05 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Oh well. maybe I will scrap this install until Ihave time to compile it from scratch..
Apr 19 10:00:13 <HRH_H_Crab> and to be fair to them, they provide the tools to allow people to help themselves if they don't mind putting in some work.
Apr 19 10:00:31 <HRH_H_Crab> DonAlex: if you use the stuff i put on that wiki, it should work fine.
Apr 19 10:00:33 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Indeed.. I was very impressed with the whole bitbake thing..
Apr 19 10:00:42 <HRH_H_Crab> infact,
Apr 19 10:00:54 <HRH_H_Crab> i may even be able to dcc you an image if you want!
Apr 19 10:01:14 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: This a personally compiled one?
Apr 19 10:01:17 <HRH_H_Crab> no
Apr 19 10:01:20 <HRH_H_Crab> its from angstrom,
Apr 19 10:01:43 <HRH_H_Crab> as documented on that page.
Apr 19 10:01:48 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Then I'll pull it direct from there then.. prolly quicker :)
Apr 19 10:01:52 <HRH_H_Crab> that one works with a null password.
Apr 19 10:02:00 <HRH_H_Crab> thats the really wierd thing about all this,
Apr 19 10:02:02 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Yes got that.. Cheers..
Apr 19 10:02:30 <HRH_H_Crab> at first when i couldnt get in with a null password everything i read suggested it was due to dropbear not liking that,
Apr 19 10:02:36 <HRH_H_Crab> but it doesnt care in that build.
Apr 19 10:02:38 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Oh ?
Apr 19 10:02:41 <HRH_H_Crab> @_@
Apr 19 10:02:51 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Buggy build perhaps?
Apr 19 10:02:52 <HRH_H_Crab> so thats obviously a total red herring.
Apr 19 10:03:06 <HRH_H_Crab> i dunno.
Apr 19 10:03:11 <HRH_H_Crab> :)
Apr 19 10:03:16 <HRH_H_Crab> the really crazy thing is,
Apr 19 10:03:38 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I must admit.. though.. the idea of installing Ang onto a handheld and then forgetting root has no password is a bit concerneing
Apr 19 10:03:42 <HRH_H_Crab> i did get the newest angstrom built, and used the base-passwd trick to "seed" /etc/passwd,
Apr 19 10:03:54 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: uh huh?
Apr 19 10:04:01 <HRH_H_Crab> but at that stage i knew nothing about apex-env,
Apr 19 10:04:08 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Ahhhh
Apr 19 10:04:24 <HRH_H_Crab> i tried to install it,
Apr 19 10:04:30 <HRH_H_Crab> and it wanted to pull in too many deps,
Apr 19 10:04:42 <HRH_H_Crab> so i kept ruining my install by it running out of space.
Apr 19 10:04:44 <HRH_H_Crab> anyway,
Apr 19 10:04:53 <HRH_H_Crab> i thought there was something wrong with that build,
Apr 19 10:05:00 <HRH_H_Crab> went back to the one in that wiki,
Apr 19 10:05:08 <HRH_H_Crab> found the same problem (with lack of space)
Apr 19 10:05:21 <HRH_H_Crab> but then i figured out i could install apex-env forcing no deps.
Apr 19 10:05:22 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Yeah.. it is a little cramped on the slug.
Apr 19 10:05:25 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Apr 19 10:05:38 <HRH_H_Crab> by that point i was too tired with the whole project to mess around any more, 
Apr 19 10:05:45 <HRH_H_Crab> and settled on that old version of angstrom!
Apr 19 10:05:45 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I lke the hack to give it more memory though :))
Apr 19 10:05:47 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Apr 19 10:06:08 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Find a use for those old PC133 sticks you have Lying around :P
Apr 19 10:06:13 <HRH_H_Crab> heh
Apr 19 10:06:20 <HRH_H_Crab> im not one for hardware hacks.
Apr 19 10:06:27 <HRH_H_Crab> i have really fat fingers and shakey hands!
Apr 19 10:06:32 <HRH_H_Crab> and don't own a soldering iron! ;P
Apr 19 10:06:37 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Pity , they can be fun :)
Apr 19 10:06:43 <HRH_H_Crab> if i did have the balls for that,
Apr 19 10:07:00 <HRH_H_Crab> id ignore the slug and go straight to modding my terrier with internal bluetooth! :D
Apr 19 10:07:09 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I am tempted to see what I can do about getting Ang on the E3.. do you know that device?
Apr 19 10:07:16 <HRH_H_Crab> nope
Apr 19 10:07:36 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Ahh pity.. lovely piece of tech just going to waste really.
Apr 19 10:08:02 <HRH_H_Crab> hmmm
Apr 19 10:08:05 <HRH_H_Crab> me googles...
Apr 19 10:08:23 <DonAlex> http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html
Apr 19 10:08:43 <HRH_H_Crab> aaah
Apr 19 10:08:46 <HRH_H_Crab> ive seen those before 
Apr 19 10:08:50 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Slightly more challenging than the Slug though..
Apr 19 10:08:50 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah that looks fun
Apr 19 10:09:11 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: does not use Redboot.. but still people have managed it.. :)
Apr 19 10:09:32 <HRH_H_Crab> heh
Apr 19 10:09:39 <HRH_H_Crab> i need to stop looking at stuff like that.
Apr 19 10:09:47 <HRH_H_Crab> i have a tiny one bedroom flat.
Apr 19 10:10:06 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: But the hardware spec is rather nice.. web cam usb Smart card proper DSP modem, screen etc etc..
Apr 19 10:10:06 <HRH_H_Crab> there are 6 pcs, 1 slug, 2 laptops and a zaurus.
Apr 19 10:10:08 <HRH_H_Crab> ooops
Apr 19 10:10:10 <HRH_H_Crab> 7 pcs.
Apr 19 10:10:18 <HRH_H_Crab> i forgot the old mac lcIII with netbsd!
Apr 19 10:10:19 <HRH_H_Crab> ;P
Apr 19 10:10:28 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: yeah so much for small and simple :P
Apr 19 10:11:01 <HRH_H_Crab> but yeah does look like a fun project and cheap too if it all goes wrong.
Apr 19 10:12:08 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I have two :P
Apr 19 10:12:39 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Ok well thanks for your help anyway.. nice to know I was not going quite nuts..
Apr 19 10:12:43 <HRH_H_Crab> np
Apr 19 10:12:49 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: Just one of those Gotchas...
Apr 19 10:13:03 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab: I spose we should put that down for the record ;)
Apr 19 10:13:30 <HRH_H_Crab> DonAlex: you mean on the bugtracker?
Apr 19 10:13:35 <HRH_H_Crab> i think its on there already.
Apr 19 10:13:44 <DonAlex> hehe.. spose :)
Apr 19 10:14:06 <DonAlex> HRH_H_Crab:  Ok well catch you later then.. cheers once again.. Have a great weekend..
Apr 19 10:14:13 <HRH_H_Crab> you too
Apr 20 00:14:20 <Kevin`> what's a good web browser for x11/gpe?
Apr 20 00:31:53 <cofeineSunshine> yes, i'd like to know it too
Apr 20 00:37:06 <Kevin`> when I last installed I found a good one that was a stripped down version of something, but I can't remember the name :(
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