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May 21 06:47:53 <univac> w 22
May 21 07:08:55 <rwhitby> ~seen koen
May 21 07:57:00 <codyl> Does anyone know of a cheap (in quantity) SBC with 64MB RAM and USB? 
May 21 07:57:45 <rwhitby> how cheap?
May 21 07:58:40 <codyl> rwhitby, around 100 USD in qty
May 21 07:58:41 <rwhitby> I can tell you plenty with 32MB (consumer NAS boxes and routers come to mind), but not many with 64MB.
May 21 07:58:54 <codyl> I know.. I've been researching :-P
May 21 07:58:55 <codyl> lots with 32
May 21 07:59:11 <rwhitby> I have NAS100d, DSMG600RevA, FSG3, all with 64MB.
May 21 07:59:36 <rwhitby> but all over USD$100 due to the included disk drivers
May 21 07:59:40 <rwhitby> drives
May 21 08:00:04 <codyl> rwhitby, maybe one of those companies is small enough to sell me the boards 
May 21 08:01:15 <codyl> rwhitby, played with RouterBoard line at all ?
May 21 08:01:20 <rwhitby> codyl: I presume you've reviewed http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
May 21 08:01:32 <codyl> rwhitby, yes 
May 21 08:06:29 <codyl> rwhitby, any other ideas?
May 21 08:10:32 <rwhitby> codyl: had a look through www.nas-central.org ?
May 21 08:11:44 <codyl> rwhitby, I'll look at that one too, thanks - it doesn't necessarily have to be repurposed consumer hw. This is a commercial product. 
May 21 08:13:28 <johnx> codyl, maybe an older gumstix?
May 21 08:13:55 <johnx> aaah...but usb...right
May 21 08:13:58 <codyl> johnx, actually know those guys- they have no interest in real applications, just hobby 
May 21 08:14:12 <codyl> $170 for their pxa270, fail
May 21 08:14:29 <codyl> So far, we've designed and manufactured our own board in house 
May 21 08:14:37 <codyl> but I want to get away from that asap.
May 21 08:14:48 <johnx> looks like their pxa270 is $130
May 21 08:15:03 <codyl> johnx, 170 must have been with the required daughter board
May 21 08:15:13 <johnx> aah...suppose so
May 21 08:21:46 <codyl> johnx, what devices do you use ?
May 21 08:22:17 <johnx> collie (sometimes), akita and n800
May 21 08:22:36 <codyl> johnx, do you do embedded linux for a living ?
May 21 08:22:40 <johnx> nope
May 21 08:23:17 <johnx> well, I did web kiosks in a former life, but that wasn't really embedded
May 21 08:23:43 <codyl> we're working on a linux based robotics research platform, but I can't say too much more for another month or two
May 21 08:24:23 <johnx> sounds pretty cool
May 21 08:24:26 <codyl> and we'd *love* to not make our own hardware .. hence the search 
May 21 08:24:51 <codyl> (at least, the "off the shelf" part of the hardware)
May 21 08:26:26 <johnx> anyways, I'll watch for news on linux and robotics, but I'm off to work for now
May 21 08:27:06 <codyl> johnx, thanks for the help, later 
May 21 08:27:54 <johnx> sure, good luck
May 21 08:28:10 <codyl> thanks
May 21 10:23:21 <mattaw> tum te tum fixed c7x0 usb networking and now WPA failing because of odd modprobe issues around arc4
May 21 10:24:04 <mattaw> both times using other peoples' work
May 21 10:24:34 <mattaw> oops, people's work. It would be "persons' work" 
May 21 11:59:21 <eekee> matchbox isn't a window manager, it's a user manager. It tells the user "You will not use that terminal until you have finished with that configuration window."
May 21 12:01:20 * eekee , fighting despotic GUIs since 1993 :)
May 21 12:37:51 <eekee> I'm confused. We have cpp, gcc, and g++. What's cpp and how does it differ from the other two?
May 21 12:38:35 <Crofton|work> c pre processor
May 21 12:38:59 <eekee> oh! silly me
May 21 12:39:52 <eekee> bad description on cpp btw
May 21 13:37:06 <_charly_> lunch sounds great :) enjoy your meal, mickey :)
May 21 15:39:05 <ffc> Hello there
May 21 15:40:15 <ffc> Has anyone got problems with the boot of hx4700 with a version generated with the last code from  OE?
May 21 15:40:48 <ffc> I can't get it working. It stays at the middle of the progress bar
May 21 15:41:48 <ffc> I'm using latest boot.exe from downloads page and a bitbaked ext2
May 21 16:01:47 <ffc> Well, I'll try tomorrow again
May 21 16:01:48 <ffc> bye
May 21 16:13:21 <eekee> Um, I tried to install thttpd on my spitz (armv5te) and got this error:
May 21 16:13:22 <eekee> Cannot find package thttpd.
May 21 16:13:23 <eekee> Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
May 21 16:13:48 <eekee> However the package is listed as being available:
May 21 16:13:51 <eekee> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=thttpd
May 21 16:25:40 <johnx> might it be in a different feed than you have enabled?
May 21 17:09:48 <eekee> johnx: um, I suppose
May 21 17:10:34 <eekee> johnx: no: thttpd 2.25b-r6 for armv5te (Ångström 2008.6 glibc armv5te architecture base feed feed)
May 21 17:11:04 <johnx> I assume you have the 2007.12 feed if you downloaded a stable image
May 21 17:11:21 <eekee> I immediately updated & upgraded
May 21 17:11:41 <johnx> then I have no idea
May 21 17:11:50 <eekee> and then after thttpd failed I updated again, which didn't help :)
May 21 17:11:53 <eekee> thanks anyway
May 21 17:12:00 <johnx> but the feed list is kept in /etc/ipkg/
May 21 17:12:07 <johnx> so it might be worth it to take a look
May 21 17:12:17 <johnx> updating won't change which feed you pull from, BTW
May 21 17:12:57 <eekee> yeah, but if it's supposed to be in the base feed....
May 21 17:15:36 <johnx> Could you look at /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf and tell me what it says?
May 21 17:18:47 <eekee> src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv5te/base
May 21 17:18:54 <eekee> ^ just that one line
May 21 17:21:41 <johnx> yup...you're not pulling from the 2008 feed
May 21 17:21:59 <eekee> oh so update & upgrade... don't?
May 21 17:22:08 <eekee> lol...
May 21 17:22:09 <johnx> update won't change that
May 21 17:22:25 <johnx> it's like a release version in debian or ubuntu
May 21 17:22:33 <johnx> you're just updating inside the current release
May 21 17:23:00 <eekee> well I don't use them. Never really upgraded the few binary distros I had, you see
May 21 17:23:08 <johnx> aaah, ok
May 21 17:24:00 <johnx> now, to be honest I don't know how well it will work to just change 2007 to 2008 in that config file
May 21 17:24:19 <eekee> yeah...
May 21 17:24:30 <johnx> it might work, or it might not
May 21 17:24:46 <johnx> hmm, spitz, right?
May 21 17:24:55 <johnx> so I assume you're booting from the micro drive?
May 21 17:25:27 <johnx> if you used rsync to take a copy of your current filesystem you could try the update and if it fails just restore back to your current setup
May 21 17:25:59 <eekee> I've had enough of backups in the last 24 hours ^^;
May 21 17:26:33 * johnx boots from sd...which makes backups easy
May 21 17:26:40 <eekee> yeah
May 21 17:27:22 <eekee> I can back up over the network easily enough, it's just time consuming
May 21 17:28:10 <johnx> well, it's easier to restore a fs onto sd too
May 21 17:28:21 <johnx> and using a card reader makes it quick
May 21 17:28:22 <eekee> ah yeah true
May 21 17:28:28 <eekee> yeah...
May 21 17:28:32 <johnx> but I really wish I had a spitz now
May 21 17:28:52 <johnx> starting to wish I had some extra space to play with
May 21 17:29:08 <eekee> ah ya :)
May 21 17:29:20 <eekee> still, you can get 8GB SD cards can't you?
May 21 17:29:37 <johnx> yeah, but that takes up an sd slot
May 21 17:29:57 <Sketch> you can get 8gb SDHC cards
May 21 17:30:03 <Sketch> not standard SD
May 21 17:30:04 <johnx> I just want everything :)
May 21 17:30:14 <johnx> yup, 16GB SDHC as well
May 21 17:30:15 <eekee> ooh
May 21 17:30:29 <eekee> teh spitz is nice ^_^ It's more of a micro-notebook
May 21 17:30:46 <johnx> akita here...so same formfactor :)
May 21 17:31:09 <eekee> not as quick as a notebook though, I just put evilwm on mine, and am trying to cut down on the GPE; too slow
May 21 17:31:36 <johnx> hmm, I don't mind the speed that much
May 21 17:31:47 <johnx> web browsing is a little slow, but not bad
May 21 17:32:22 <eekee> what do you use for web browsing?
May 21 17:32:35 <johnx> midori
May 21 17:32:41 <johnx> highly recommended :)
May 21 17:32:53 <dcordes> minimo
May 21 17:32:53 <johnx> I use swap with it though
May 21 17:32:59 <dcordes> links-x11
May 21 17:33:18 <eekee> ah ya ^_^ I used midori a but on the desktop, just to test, like. was fun. 
May 21 17:33:20 <j0wn> johnx, you been testing stuff on collie lately?
May 21 17:33:29 <johnx> j0wn, not lately
May 21 17:33:48 <eekee> oh I always use swap. Actually I had a nasty experience with links-x11 with a huge ebook when I forgot to enable swap one time
May 21 17:34:37 <johnx> j0wn, been busy at work and have been poking at other projects
May 21 17:34:53 <johnx> have you looked at any of it lately?
May 21 17:35:14 <j0wn> ok i built a new altboot image with the rc10 2.6 kernel ... seems the sd/mmc is still dickie ... i was able to touch *filename on the Zaurus and do ls to view the created file ... umount the SD then put it in my card reader/writer and try and mount it ... superblock issues / bad fstype
May 21 17:35:36 <johnx> O_o
May 21 17:36:02 <j0wn> im using ext2 on the SD card also
May 21 17:36:11 <dcordes> j0wn: non clean umount
May 21 17:36:24 <dcordes> ?
May 21 17:36:38 <j0wn> naw it definitly umounted properly ... df show'd no mount points
May 21 17:37:11 * johnx plays with google maps on his akita
May 21 17:39:09 <eekee> that works in midori? ^^
May 21 17:39:29 <johnx> it's a little slow
May 21 17:39:35 <j0wn> i think the SD/MMC stuff under collie is still very insane ...
May 21 17:39:41 <johnx> alright...it's pretty painfully slow
May 21 17:39:45 <johnx> but it renders right
May 21 17:39:49 <eekee> ahh
May 21 17:40:01 <j0wn> I dont believe the file ( touched ) was ever written to the card
May 21 17:40:07 <eekee> cool 'nuff
May 21 17:42:20 <eekee> how do you open a link in a new tab? or get the right-click menu?
May 21 17:43:08 <johnx> tap and hold
May 21 17:43:47 <eekee> too much jitter. I'll try starting gpe-confd
May 21 17:47:23 <johnx> heh...gmail takes a while to load
May 21 21:13:23 <eekee> why will my ~/.xsession work when it's #!/bin/sh but not #!/bin/bash ?
May 21 21:14:05 <eekee> (and yes bash is installed :)
May 22 02:50:19 <_charly_> nice :) my 512mb kingston sd-card works in my collie with the 2007.12-r14 console image :)
May 22 02:50:54 <_charly_> but my noname 1gb card does not work
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