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May 29 14:54:40 <kantlivelong> hey all
May 29 14:55:22 <johnx> hi
May 29 14:55:27 <kantlivelong> heya john
May 29 14:56:56 <kantlivelong> do u happen 2 know if the 2gb sandisk SD cards work on the zaurus 3100?
May 29 14:57:33 <markus> homepage working?
May 29 14:58:04 <kantlivelong> not sure
May 29 14:58:11 <johnx> kantlivelong, I haven't tried that exact card
May 29 14:58:22 <kantlivelong> heh darn
May 29 14:58:26 <markus> i'm trying to browse the packages with little success
May 29 14:58:49 <johnx> angstrom-distribution.org isn't loading for me
May 29 14:59:59 <kantlivelong> fails for me awsell
May 29 15:00:06 <kantlivelong> :(
May 29 15:00:15 <kantlivelong> my Z is blank right now too
May 29 15:00:17 <kantlivelong> booo
May 29 15:18:44 <CoreDump> FWIW, the webserver is operational again
May 29 15:18:58 <kantlivelong> hey CoreDump!
May 29 15:19:04 <CoreDump> hey
May 29 15:19:08 <udovdh> hello
May 29 15:19:08 <kantlivelong> long time
May 29 15:19:11 <kantlivelong> i got a new Z!!
May 29 15:19:15 <udovdh> can anybody comment on the builds at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/h2200/ ?
May 29 15:19:22 <udovdh> which are usable? wchich aren't?
May 29 15:20:11 <CoreDump> kantlivelong: nice
May 29 15:20:14 <kantlivelong> yeah
May 29 15:20:18 <kantlivelong> SL-C3100
May 29 15:20:20 <kantlivelong> :)
May 29 15:20:25 <CoreDump> udovdh: can't say, sorry
May 29 15:20:36 <udovdh> ok... just wondering
May 29 15:20:41 <CoreDump> kantlivelong: the hdd rocks =)
May 29 15:20:47 <kantlivelong> hell yeah :)
May 29 15:20:52 <kantlivelong> i already fdisk it
May 29 15:20:56 <kantlivelong> but my damn SD is bad
May 29 15:21:00 <kantlivelong> so i need to buy a new
May 29 15:21:13 <kantlivelong> do u happen to know which SD cards work?
May 29 15:21:18 <kantlivelong> i was planning on like a 2gb
May 29 15:21:37 <CoreDump> I have a working lexar
May 29 15:21:47 <kantlivelong> know if  sandisk works?
May 29 15:21:53 <CoreDump> no idea
May 29 15:21:56 <kantlivelong> :(
May 29 15:22:00 * johnx has a pqi 1GB that works
May 29 15:22:09 <kantlivelong> the 3100 is so much better then the 5600
May 29 15:22:12 <johnx> mine has actually lived for quite a while...
May 29 15:22:22 <johnx> kantlivelong, I believe that O_o
May 29 15:22:39 <CoreDump> sure is
May 29 15:22:44 <kantlivelong> i just wanna take it to starbucks and write a novel
May 29 15:22:45 <kantlivelong> lol
May 29 15:22:51 <CoreDump> too bad the zauruses are a sinking ship
May 29 15:23:02 <kantlivelong> nah
May 29 15:23:13 <kantlivelong> they got another couple years
May 29 15:23:28 <kantlivelong> 600mhz is damn fast for a device of its size
May 29 15:23:28 <johnx> as long as I can get batteries I'll have a use for my akita
May 29 15:23:59 <eekee> oh me too for my spitz ^^
May 29 15:24:26 <johnx> I'm eager to see how the pandora turns out though
May 29 15:24:30 <CoreDump> kantlivelong: spitz is 400MHz
May 29 15:24:38 <kantlivelong> OC its 600 :)
May 29 15:25:35 <eekee> I wonder if I should overclock mine. Then again, the hard drive hammers the battery a lot already
May 29 15:26:15 <kantlivelong> yeah?
May 29 15:26:25 <kantlivelong> whats ur batt life
May 29 15:26:26 <kantlivelong> avg
May 29 15:27:25 <CoreDump> if I had the money I'd get myself a fujitsu U810
May 29 15:27:31 <kantlivelong> heh
May 29 15:28:04 <johnx> CoreDump, not quite pocketable though, is it?
May 29 15:28:14 <kantlivelong> yeah thats the downer
May 29 15:28:23 <kantlivelong>  i like the Z cuz it fits in my pocket
May 29 15:28:42 <CoreDump> johnx: not much larger than a spitz
May 29 15:28:53 <kantlivelong> looks alot larger
May 29 15:29:16 <kantlivelong> CoreDump: theres no way to translate the BIOS stuff is there?
May 29 15:29:26 <CoreDump> hmm?
May 29 15:29:29 <johnx> hmm...their older one (based on the transmeta cpu) looks pretty big
May 29 15:29:34 <kantlivelong> the restore menus and whatnot
May 29 15:29:42 <kantlivelong> when u hold down the OK button on power
May 29 15:29:47 <CoreDump> johnx: well, not really no
May 29 15:30:03 <kantlivelong> damn im hungry
May 29 15:30:14 <kantlivelong> im gonna get some food
May 29 15:38:42 <eekee> what ipks do I install to get a kernel source tree?
May 29 16:40:51 <kantlivelong> ne1 here?
May 29 16:40:57 <johnx> kinda
May 29 16:41:00 <kantlivelong> heh
May 29 16:41:24 <kantlivelong> i plan on using matchbox and x11 on spitz
May 29 16:41:27 <kantlivelong> do i want the gpe?
May 29 16:41:28 <kantlivelong> or?
May 29 16:41:34 <johnx> you want x11-image
May 29 16:41:39 <kantlivelong> ok
May 29 16:41:57 <kantlivelong> :)
May 29 16:42:02 <kantlivelong> thanks john
May 29 16:42:05 <johnx> sure :)
May 29 16:42:16 <kantlivelong> i used to have a  custom SL-5600
May 29 16:42:20 <kantlivelong> fluxbox and whatnot
May 29 16:42:21 <kantlivelong> sold it
May 29 16:42:27 <kantlivelong> but matchbox seems more suited now
May 29 16:42:40 <johnx> honestly, matchbox is nice on a handheld
May 29 16:42:48 <kantlivelong> yeh
May 29 16:42:55 <kantlivelong> this is the 2.6 kernel rite?
May 29 16:42:59 <johnx> yup
May 29 16:43:02 <kantlivelong> yum
May 29 16:43:07 <johnx> 2.6 kernel, lots of apps, 
May 29 16:43:12 <johnx> angstrom has shaped up nicely
May 29 16:44:37 <kantlivelong> mmm
May 29 16:44:42 <kantlivelong> what browser?
May 29 16:44:46 <johnx> midori
May 29 16:44:50 <johnx> some people use minimo
May 29 16:45:04 <kantlivelong> ah minimo
May 29 16:45:18 <johnx> midori is newish and webkit based
May 29 16:46:28 <kantlivelong> mmmm
May 29 16:46:40 <kantlivelong> is the ps1 emulator part of ipkg?
May 29 16:47:17 <johnx> I kinda doubt it...but I'm not sure
May 29 16:47:24 <johnx> there's a feed browser on angstrom-distribution
May 29 16:47:25 <kantlivelong> :|
May 29 16:58:41 <summatusmentis> minimo takes FOREVER
May 29 16:59:03 <summatusmentis> last I checked, midori didn't have a .dekstop file, so you had to run t from terminal
May 29 16:59:39 <summatusmentis> granted, I haven't looked at Angstrom recently
May 29 17:00:07 <johnx> seems to create one these days...or I made one myself
May 29 17:00:14 <johnx> either way it's worth it
May 29 17:00:18 <summatusmentis> lol :)
May 29 17:00:34 <johnx> seriously, webkit wins on embedded devices
May 29 17:01:24 <summatusmentis> if only because the gecko implementation takes 5 minutes to do anything
May 29 17:02:26 <johnx> midori on my akita is totally tolerable for quite a few sites
May 29 17:02:47 <johnx> gmail and engadget are pretty hard on it though
May 29 17:02:57 <summatusmentis> mm
May 29 17:03:24 <summatusmentis> I'm probably selling my terrier, and just keeping collie around, with hopes to some day make it usable
May 29 17:04:36 <johnx> mmm...I'd really like to trade my C1000 up to a C3x00, but definitely can't justify it right now
May 29 17:05:31 <johnx> especially not until I see whether the pandora works out...
May 29 17:06:01 <udovdh> where can I find mtd-utils for H2200?
May 29 17:06:06 <udovdh> anyone know?
May 29 17:09:18 <summatusmentis> johnx: I've got one.... >_>
May 29 17:10:08 <johnx> yeah...but like I said...I can't justify it right now
May 29 17:10:22 <johnx> any I'll probably buy locally if I do
May 29 17:12:30 <summatusmentis> :) fair enough
May 29 17:14:10 <johnx> :) I have a little selection to choose from locally anyways: http://flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167911/
May 29 17:46:23 <udovdh> I see: /usr/src/ipaq/angstrom-tmp//deploy/uclibc/images/h2200// does not exist, you may need to bitbake it separately
May 29 17:46:32 <udovdh> what do I need to do then? message is not very clear
May 29 17:46:50 <udovdh> came after:
May 29 17:46:51 <udovdh> NOTE: package linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.21-hh20-r20: task do_configure: started
May 29 17:46:51 <udovdh> ERROR: function do_configure failed
May 29 20:58:58 <mimecar> hi
May 29 22:08:11 <proq> hi. I tried building hugs for my zaurus (akita) with bitbake and openembedded stable version, from the instructions on the angstrom developer pages.  if I tell it to build hugs it says hugs isn't found and I should build world.  if I build base-image or console-image I get on error "performing five actions, one action failed". how do I tell bitbake to build just hugs?
May 29 22:11:21 <markus> hugs, haskell compiler?
May 29 22:11:29 <cyril__> proq: 'bitbake hugs' should be enough
May 29 22:26:37 <proq> markus: yeah
May 29 22:26:54 <proq> cyril__: ok. then I must have messed up my config file
May 29 22:27:26 <cyril__>  proq: check you always run bitbake from the same directory
May 29 22:28:02 <cyril__> proq: especially if you didn't set a fixed TMPDIR in your local.conf
May 29 22:28:12 <proq> when I source my file the working directory gets changed to /OE/build
May 29 22:28:59 <cyril__> proq: so you only have _one_ tmp directory, right ?
May 29 22:29:12 <proq> yeah, the one at that path
May 29 22:29:42 <cyril__> proq: can you pastebin the error you get when from /OE/build you run 'bitbake hugs' ?
May 29 22:30:58 <cyril__> s/can/could you please/ <- a typical french mistake
May 29 22:34:40 <kolla> not only french :)
May 29 23:13:06 <proq> I started over from scratch and I noticed this time around that my bitbake version is 1.8.10, not 1.8.8. It's further now in the build than before
May 29 23:14:53 <proq> that must have been the problem
May 29 23:16:53 <kantlivelong> hmm
May 29 23:19:40 <kantlivelong> ne1here?
May 29 23:20:05 <proq> think so
May 29 23:20:31 <summatusmentis> I'm sort of here
May 29 23:21:35 <kantlivelong> heh
May 29 23:21:46 <kantlivelong> 2gb SD cards dun work on spitz do they?
May 29 23:22:34 <summatusmentis> I had a 1 GB that worked on terrier
May 29 23:22:39 <summatusmentis> I don't see what they wouldn't
May 29 23:22:44 <proq> what model number is spitz?
May 29 23:23:19 <summatusmentis> its the C3x00 series
May 29 23:23:39 <summatusmentis> technically C3000, but all of the 3x00 series use the same images
May 29 23:23:46 <proq> then it should.. my C-1000 has a 4GB SD card in it
May 29 23:24:59 <summatusmentis> yeah, I believe there was issues a while back, in earlier kernel revs
May 29 23:25:29 <proq> SD+ even
May 29 23:32:40 <conundrum> !logs
May 29 23:32:40 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
May 29 23:32:41 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
May 29 23:32:42 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
May 29 23:32:44 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
May 29 23:32:46 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
May 29 23:35:25 <conundrum> Is there some trick to GPE's package manager I'm missing?  I haven't seen something this slow since I used my 5500.  :/
May 29 23:35:53 <proq> does bitbake have options to install the packages to other media? I've got no room on the zaurus's flash, just my SD card
May 29 23:36:34 <summatusmentis> proq: there used to be ipkg-link, but I don't think that's supported anymore
May 29 23:36:46 <summatusmentis> conundrum: just use ipkg on the command line
May 29 23:37:03 <summatusmentis> the package manager is broken, or was the last time I checked
May 29 23:37:10 <conundrum> summatusmentis: I take it it's bad for everyone?
May 29 23:37:27 <summatusmentis> conundrum: afaik, yes
May 29 23:37:37 <summatusmentis> I've sort of dwindled away from my Z
May 29 23:37:42 <conundrum> I guess it's a good thing I spent enough time with emerge to be accustomed to installing from tty.  :>
May 29 23:38:09 <conundrum> I'm kind of on my last kick with my 3200.  I've been contemplating a N810.  :/
May 29 23:41:44 <summatusmentis> just bought one
May 29 23:43:52 <conundrum> What model Z did you have?
May 29 23:47:34 <conundrum> And how do you like the Nokia?
May 29 23:52:07 <summatusmentis> I've still got my 3200
May 29 23:52:10 <proq> I've been having a great time with emacs22, ruby, guile and lua on my zaurus but now I want to hack some haskell
May 29 23:52:34 <summatusmentis> I'm loving my nokia, it's so much smaller than my 3200, and it's got built-in wifi
May 29 23:52:58 <proq> does it have a full keyboard?
May 29 23:53:33 <summatusmentis> almost, the numbers are fn+<top row>, but the keyboard is nice
May 29 23:53:47 <conundrum> That's one thing I really miss about my 860.
May 29 23:53:51 <conundrum> Smaller than the 3200.
May 29 23:54:15 <conundrum> How're the 3rd party apps at this point?  I remember hearing the original Nokia stuff wasn't so good.
May 29 23:59:32 <summatusmentis> the only thing I'm missing is a decent MS compatible office sweet
May 29 23:59:38 <summatusmentis> suite*
May 30 00:12:36 <_charly_> !logs
May 30 00:12:36 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
May 30 00:12:37 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
May 30 00:12:38 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
May 30 00:12:40 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
May 30 00:12:42 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
May 30 01:31:51 <kantlivelong> are there ne problems w/ spitz and hostap?
May 30 01:34:33 <summatusmentis> I don't think so
May 30 01:34:45 <proq> awesome, hugs has built and run successfully
May 30 01:34:51 <kantlivelong> hmm
May 30 01:35:05 <kantlivelong> im trying iwconfig wlan0 key BLAH and it says set failed
May 30 01:35:25 <kantlivelong> operation not supported
May 30 01:35:33 <kantlivelong> its worked on my SL-5600
May 30 02:27:16 <kantlivelong> neone?
May 30 02:27:55 <summatusmentis> hmmm, that sounds weird
May 30 02:28:10 <kantlivelong> yeah
May 30 02:28:13 <kantlivelong> i try to set the key
May 30 02:28:20 <kantlivelong> tells me operation not supported
May 30 02:28:25 <kantlivelong> it worked fine on a 5600
May 30 02:28:35 <summatusmentis> yeah, I'm not sure
May 30 02:44:27 <conundrum> GPE or Opie?
May 30 02:44:49 <conundrum> Spitz and Borzoi are the same in most ways that matter, and I couldn't get my card running under Opie.
May 30 02:44:54 <conundrum> But it worked fine in GPE.
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